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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's and Ron and Each week on Beyond Contact,
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to another episode of Beyond Contact. I am
Speaker 5: Captain Ron, and today we're going to be speaking with
Speaker 5: Jason Martel. Jason's an entrepreneur and co founder of numerous
Speaker 5: successful tech companies, as well as one of the leading
Speaker 5: researchers and lecturers specializing in ancient civilization technologies. He's been
Speaker 5: a staple on the History Channel's Ancient Alien Show for
Speaker 5: nearly twenty years now, and has also been a staple
Speaker 5: at the Contact in the Desert conference. Among his many
Speaker 5: amazing accomplishments is the creation of a new AI program
Speaker 5: that's tailored specifically to the ancient astronaut theory. It's really
Speaker 5: really great to have him here. Let's welcome him. Hey, Jason,
Speaker 5: how you doing, Bud?
Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Ron, Thanks thanks for having me back
Speaker 6: on the show.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: So let's talk about the ancient alien theory a little
Speaker 5: bit that began in Earnest Real in nineteen sixty three
Speaker 5: with Robert Carrow's book and then of course Eric Van
Speaker 5: Denigan's book in sixty eight. So we're talking about sixty
Speaker 5: years here. You've been looking at this for a lot
Speaker 5: of years yourself, So I want to know what changes
Speaker 5: have you seen that further support this theory. Now that
Speaker 5: we have new discoveries, new technology, new telescopes. What's furthered
Speaker 5: this theory in the last number of years here?
Speaker 6: You know, people when they ask about this question are
Speaker 6: tapping into a larger database of information around where do
Speaker 6: we really come from? And so whenever I get these questions.
Speaker 6: It always leads to a spaghetti of mixing the ancient
Speaker 6: with the modern. So we have the ancient astronaut theory,
Speaker 6: but then we also have this current entanglement with UFOs
Speaker 6: and UAPs and a lot of news and information around that.
Speaker 6: So decoupling that noise takes a little bit of skill, right,
Speaker 6: So I mean for me, Ron, I very much have
Speaker 6: always been interested in in the ancient part of this information, right,
Speaker 6: Like there's some stone out there, can lift it up
Speaker 6: and be like, wow, look this has been sitting here
Speaker 6: for four thousand years. Wow, in the realm of the
Speaker 6: ancient technology and the devices and locations that we've been
Speaker 6: able to find those advances, if you will. That database
Speaker 6: hasn't changed that much in the last let's say, sixty
Speaker 6: years of doing research. What has changed are some of
Speaker 6: the tools that we now have to analyze these locations
Speaker 6: known locations, as well as the ability to detect new
Speaker 6: types of artifacts and new locations. And so for me,
Speaker 6: that's obviously been the part as more of the tech guy,
Speaker 6: where I've been very interested in the advances we've made
Speaker 6: with artificial intelligence, with new types of ground penetrating radar
Speaker 6: sound as a method heat, all these different methods for
Speaker 6: being able to look at substrata and find things, and
Speaker 6: you know, for a high level answer, it's just a
Speaker 6: lot of these sites. Let's say in Guatemala, all throughout
Speaker 6: South America, Bolivia, Peru, we find these Mayan olmec Aztec,
Speaker 6: you know, pyramid here there and it's surrounded.
Speaker 4: By a jungle.
Speaker 6: We're like, oh, yeah, it's great. You know, here's Chitchenitza awesome.
Speaker 6: But it turns out that you flip on some light
Speaker 6: arm and fly over it with a seven forty seven
Speaker 6: and there's thirteen other pyramids in the nearby area, all
Speaker 6: covered by the jungle.
Speaker 4: Light oars made a huge leap in this regard exactly.
Speaker 6: So for me, I think that's the fun part is
Speaker 6: being able to apply the convergence of things like AI
Speaker 6: and light r or instead of me looking at the results,
Speaker 6: maybe the AI can look at the results over a
Speaker 6: thousand square acres in a minute.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It's incredible, And I think it's just going to obviously
Speaker 5: get better and better in six months and in a year.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's already accelerating. You know, there's
Speaker 5: so many fascinating discoveries like you mentioned, in the last
Speaker 5: sixty years, and they haven't changed, but they're still incredible.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: A couple just to mention, are like the UFOs we
Speaker 5: see in the artwork back in the day, the small
Speaker 5: gold planes, the den Da era light bulb, the Bagdad battery,
Speaker 5: which is one of your areas. Of course, ancient maps
Speaker 5: with modern knowledge on them, even though we know that
Speaker 5: they are dated even older than that. Given all of
Speaker 5: these different things, what do you think makes the strongest
Speaker 5: case to those people outside this community for the ancient
Speaker 5: astronaut theory.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I try to answer it this way,
Speaker 6: and this is probably what we'll guide some of our conversation.
Speaker 6: Ron is for me, you know, twenty years ago, I
Speaker 6: was raised as a Christian, never was super religious, but
Speaker 6: I had religion exposure in my life. But in college,
Speaker 6: just independently became very interested in the idea that there's
Speaker 6: an artificial face and pyramids on Mars. And while looking
Speaker 6: into that while I was attending college, it turned out
Speaker 6: that the principal scientists taking all the pictures mail in
Speaker 6: Space Science Systems was also located in San Diego where
Speaker 6: I was attending college, and pressing him and asking for answers.
Speaker 6: You know, always I got this the same scientific level answer.
Speaker 6: You know, there's no artificial or human or alien involvement
Speaker 6: creating structures on other planets as well as our own.
Speaker 6: Sounds like euro right, So I mean that's that's why
Speaker 6: I think what really started to raise my own interest
Speaker 6: in going okay, well wait a minute. You know the
Speaker 6: stuff on Mars, we had things all over our own planet.
Speaker 6: We still don't know who really built them, where do
Speaker 6: we come from? And that's what led me to the
Speaker 6: Sumerian culture. Again, raised is a Christian, you know, I
Speaker 6: started to realize from other scholars like Zachariasichen that there's
Speaker 6: the New Kings James version of the Bible in English
Speaker 6: Old Testament and Hebrew, Assyrian version, Babylonian, Mesopotamian, and all
Speaker 6: the way back to Sumerian, and so finding and deciphering
Speaker 6: these texts that predate even the Hebrew version of the Bible,
Speaker 6: and talk about the flood, these beings that came down,
Speaker 6: why they were here creating us in their image and
Speaker 6: after their likeness. A lot of the key events that
Speaker 6: we have are also in these Sumerian versions. So they'll
Speaker 6: give you an example of one in the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 6: One of the since to the curator of the British
Speaker 6: Museum's name is George Smith. You know, he's uncovering this
Speaker 6: tablet in ancient city of Ors where Iraq is, you know,
Speaker 6: and he's just brushing the dust off and he flops
Speaker 6: up the tablets reading in a Syrian version some of
Speaker 6: udin prishtim is chosen by the Anaak essentially to build
Speaker 6: a craft and take all of it above because there's
Speaker 6: a great flood coming. He freaks out, He's like, I
Speaker 6: can't believe it, this is not an Old Testament version.
Speaker 6: Have I found the original version of the Biblical flood tablet?
Speaker 6: And he, you know, freaks out, you know, runs over
Speaker 6: with his hands up in the air. So we've had
Speaker 6: a lot of discoveries like that again in the past,
Speaker 6: of that Sumerian evidence that just go into a much
Speaker 6: more longer tail like the English version of seven Days
Speaker 6: of Creation. The Sumerians actually have seven Tablets of Creation,
Speaker 6: part of a much longer epic where you get more detail.
Speaker 4: So there's no doubt that these two things overlap.
Speaker 5: These different religious texts overlap with the Sumerian writings, and
Speaker 5: we see those things repeated through time. Not to mention
Speaker 5: all the books they cut out of the Bible. What
Speaker 5: do they call that, the Acropolips or something like that.
Speaker 6: Well, there's the Dead Sea Scrolls, and there's various other
Speaker 6: parts of the Bible, you know.
Speaker 4: The Enoch and thatlled out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so all of that data too that we're not
Speaker 5: even mentioning exactly. And then there's this astronomical data that
Speaker 5: you talk about for the Great Pyramid, how it's really
Speaker 5: dated probably ten thousand, five hundred years ago. That's what
Speaker 5: the date that keeps coming up, right.
Speaker 6: It is. There's you know, there's there's a lot of
Speaker 6: evidence that we can look at across the globe, you know,
Speaker 6: for putting the date much further back in time, and
Speaker 6: again just kind of diverting back to the Sumerians for
Speaker 6: a moment. That's that's why I think that culture really
Speaker 6: sparked my interest is because they have over one hundred
Speaker 6: of the first needed for a modern culture, the first
Speaker 6: signs of writing, agriculture, schools, courts, systems of law, you know,
Speaker 6: and very high mathematics. You know, you think that counting
Speaker 6: to ten, you know, Oh, it's pretty good. They had
Speaker 6: a math mathematic system called sexagesimal, which was based on
Speaker 6: two numbers, the number six and the number ten, and
Speaker 6: you had the ability to do very advanced mathematics for
Speaker 6: very small and very large geometric shapes. And so their
Speaker 6: ability to math not only things that they did around them,
Speaker 6: but an understanding of the sky. They applied these mathematics
Speaker 6: to a way that even today we still use these teachings,
Speaker 6: you know, a divisional breakdown of the heavens into twelve constellations.
Speaker 6: It's like this grand celestial clock. But you know, somehow
Speaker 6: the Sumerians again have weaved this knowledge into our systems
Speaker 6: that we even use today. You know, the idea that
Speaker 6: they believed in a system of twelve planets and that
Speaker 6: their gods came from this twelfth planet. And then you
Speaker 6: think about that number twelve, how it revolves so much
Speaker 6: around the things that we do. Twelve inches in a foot,
Speaker 6: twelve and a dozen, twelve months in a year, the
Speaker 6: twelve Disciples of Jesus, the twelve tribes of Israel. It
Speaker 6: goes on and on with this numeric understanding that all
Speaker 6: came back from this one culture.
Speaker 5: It's absolutely incredible, and that's considered the oldest writings that
Speaker 5: we have in history, right, they're about six thousand years
Speaker 5: old ish.
Speaker 6: They are, you know, discounting other like Vedic texts from
Speaker 6: India and the Ramahanas and others that are you know,
Speaker 6: the Mahaparazza, they're like ten thousand years But they don't
Speaker 6: paint a complete picture of civilization as the Sumerians had
Speaker 6: with their writing system and their cuneiform scripts and scrolls.
Speaker 6: Not only do they, you know, have this system of
Speaker 6: writing which again we have a twenty six letter alphabet
Speaker 6: in English, We're like, hey, English, you know, they had
Speaker 6: a system of over four hundred characters called quneiform script,
Speaker 6: and it looked like like an oversized screwdriver. They would
Speaker 6: turn and twist in wet clay, take that clay tablet
Speaker 6: sticking in a stove and turn it into stone, literally
Speaker 6: keying that phrase writing in stone.
Speaker 5: We don't give them enough credit. I mean, it's amazing
Speaker 5: how complex their math or language was, a lot of
Speaker 5: these things.
Speaker 4: We're going to take a break here, Jason.
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Speaker 5: We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron. We're
Speaker 5: talking to Jason Martel.
Speaker 4: Hey, Jason.
Speaker 5: When you consider some of the biggest mysteries of things
Speaker 5: that we truly haven't explained yet, such as let's say,
Speaker 5: the stones in Ballback that weighed, you know, twelve to
Speaker 5: fifteen hundred tons that were quarried, the math of the
Speaker 5: Great Pyramid, the six monoliths of Aliantambo in Peru that
Speaker 5: we're quarried on another mountain, brought over through the valley,
Speaker 5: over the river, and up another mountain. It's incredible. All
Speaker 5: of this was done before electricity. So it feels like
Speaker 5: there's really only a couple of possibilities here. Either we
Speaker 5: advanced enough to gain knowledge on how to do these
Speaker 5: things and we lost that knowledge, or we've had help
Speaker 5: from somewhere else, be it alien or communication with a
Speaker 5: spirit world something. But we at one point did have
Speaker 5: the knowledge to do these things, and somehow it seems
Speaker 5: now that it's lost. You can imagine if there was
Speaker 5: a major catastrophe today that was devastating and we lost
Speaker 5: a lot of knowledge. You know, I don't know how
Speaker 5: to do anything, let alone build an iPhone, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? I wonder what you think about how
Speaker 5: how they were able to do these.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's one of the big questions ron obviously, is
Speaker 6: there's such a gap in time for what we see
Speaker 6: as the evidence that doesn't match up with the cultures
Speaker 6: that existed at that time. You know, when we look
Speaker 6: at sites like Tijuanaco or Saksee Kuaman Puma Punku, you
Speaker 6: see these carvings and stone fittings intricately together. There's no
Speaker 6: way that these were not done without the aid of technology.
Speaker 6: So the best way to explain it is we're looking
Speaker 6: at some type of a tech that allowed ancient man
Speaker 6: to turn very hard rock, granite, deer rite, some of
Speaker 6: the hardest stones on the planet. Somehow heat these up
Speaker 6: to a level of temperature that they'd become like putty,
Speaker 6: not completely at a state of like lava, right, but
Speaker 6: molt it so that you can mold it, shape it,
Speaker 6: cookie cutter, shape a bunch of perfectly you know, intricate sizes.
Speaker 6: So somehow they had the ability to heat up stone
Speaker 6: to a state where it fit together and then they
Speaker 6: would cut it shape it, scrape it and it would
Speaker 6: harden and you would see these effects now that we
Speaker 6: call vitrification. It's a glassing effect on stone surfaces that
Speaker 6: clearly show it was heated to some point and someone
Speaker 6: scraped it with a flat surface and it dries. It's
Speaker 6: called vitrification. So we see that all over these monuments,
Speaker 6: and it's like, okay, well one vitrification. You know how
Speaker 6: they do that? How they eat up the stune too?
Speaker 6: How did they use the math right to carve some
Speaker 6: of these shit? You know, even in Egypt, if you
Speaker 6: look at Ramsey's and some of these statues, the mathematical
Speaker 6: perfection is computer like.
Speaker 5: So the Great Pyramid alone has so much math in it,
Speaker 5: like the base and the height and all that. It's
Speaker 5: it's really incredible when you start studying it and getting
Speaker 5: down deep into it. It's hard to believe that with
Speaker 5: all our technology today, we really don't have this ability.
Speaker 5: We've never I've never seen us be able to melt
Speaker 5: rock and form it like that. Right, we don't really do.
Speaker 6: That, not without the aids of technology, right, not without
Speaker 6: you know, some real modern tech that would would make
Speaker 6: that happen. And talk about getting deeped in down inside,
Speaker 6: you know, and looking for the answers. You know, for me,
Speaker 6: when we look at things like the Great Pyramid and
Speaker 6: you go into the Queen's chamber and you see this sarcophagus,
Speaker 6: is it really a sarcophagus? All the evidence about the
Speaker 6: technology of the ancients, especially the egypt there's micro technology
Speaker 6: in macro technology. Macro technology is the pyramids. We'll come
Speaker 6: back to that. I've tested on camera on ancient aliens
Speaker 6: and will continue to do so. Is the Bagdad battery,
Speaker 6: the Dendero bulb. They clearly if you google Bagdad battery,
Speaker 6: you know, you see that they had batteries. You know,
Speaker 6: it's twenty five hundred BC, and they were using clay
Speaker 6: pots with copper lining and ironn wine grape juice. It
Speaker 6: generates volts, little ones, four volts. What about ones that
Speaker 6: are six feet tall forty volts, fifty volts. They had
Speaker 6: the ability to generate electricity. And if you look at Dendera, though,
Speaker 6: the walls are lined with them holding up light bulbs.
Speaker 6: So there's even a secret area in the back of
Speaker 6: Dendera where again they're like, it's the light bulb, you know,
Speaker 6: show that to the public. But it's well known that
Speaker 6: Dendera is the place of where they're showing you how
Speaker 6: this exists power, electricity, and light. So that's the micro, right,
Speaker 6: the macro is the pyramid, the queen's chamber. Somehow magically
Speaker 6: what we call a sarcophagus. That box is the same
Speaker 6: biblical cubits in size as the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 6: There's another story which we'll just slightly touch on tonight,
Speaker 6: which parallels moses exodus out of Egypt, and it's one
Speaker 6: of the first pharaohs, the first dynastic pharaoh. His name's Acanaton,
Speaker 6: all right, And so this pharaoh had an exodus from
Speaker 6: Egypt and took his people, but he also took the
Speaker 6: Arc of the Covenant. And here begins the story where
Speaker 6: you're hear in the Jewish Bible that the Arc of
Speaker 6: the Covenant shows up at the base of Mount Sinai.
Speaker 6: Moses goes up there and takes some tablets and puts
Speaker 6: the Ten Commandments in the Ark of the Covenant. The
Speaker 6: Ark of the Covenant had a whole story before that,
Speaker 6: which is a great moment. But you know, the Arc
Speaker 6: of the Covenant comes out of Egypt. So there's another
Speaker 6: story essentially ron that if Akinntn left Egypt with his
Speaker 6: people but took the ark of the covenant, if that
Speaker 6: was powering the Great Pyramid, if that was somehow centered
Speaker 6: in the Great Pyramid, in the sarcophagus not really a
Speaker 6: sarcophagus and generating power. Yeah, if you take the power
Speaker 6: out of the pyramid, of course Ramsy's is going to
Speaker 6: come after you and have great, you know, confrontation. So
Speaker 6: there's interesting information again around the technological history of the
Speaker 6: Exodus and my you know, macro and micro uses of
Speaker 6: technology being played.
Speaker 5: It's a shame that I think somebody saw that early
Speaker 5: and called it a sarcophagus, and then it kind of stuck,
Speaker 5: and then people started thinking there's mummies and they think
Speaker 5: they're burial And it's a shame because I think it's
Speaker 5: getting the wrong information, the wrong message out there.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I know that the Egyptians were extremely
Speaker 6: ingenious people, and maybe they did have a reason for
Speaker 6: wanting to subvert where the real pharaoh was built, but
Speaker 6: this still does not discount the level of technology that
Speaker 6: we see displayed in the pyramids. The idea that Christopher Dunns,
Speaker 6: the Giza power plant, the whole idea that it was
Speaker 6: generating power, taking in the static charge build up and
Speaker 6: using it for something a discharge. Right, So it's very
Speaker 6: possible that Giza is one of many locations around the
Speaker 6: world that geodetic sites that were somehow harnessing a world
Speaker 6: in energy grid, and we've lost the understanding of what
Speaker 6: that was for, how it was used, or how it
Speaker 6: was built.
Speaker 4: Incredible.
Speaker 5: Another fascinating aspect of life in these ancient cultures is, well,
Speaker 5: you know today the average life expectancy in the US
Speaker 5: is right about eighty years. Five thousand years ago was
Speaker 5: right around forty years fifty if you take out infant deaths,
Speaker 5: but that still only leaves you with about thirty adult years.
Speaker 5: And yet they were able to have the presence of
Speaker 5: mind to think in huge time cycles. We really don't
Speaker 5: do that in our society. But many ancient cultures built
Speaker 5: these huge monuments that had long time cycles coded into them.
Speaker 5: How could they possibly know these huge time cycles like
Speaker 5: the procession and all of that. How is that even possible?
Speaker 6: It's interesting that there's over thirty ancient cultures that did
Speaker 6: track this knowledge of what we now call procession, essentially
Speaker 6: the division of the heavens into twelve parts where every
Speaker 6: two thousand years were pointing at a new north star.
Speaker 6: You know, we just moved out of the Age of
Speaker 6: Pisces around twenty twelve, the ending of the Mayan calendar,
Speaker 6: because it was a reset into the Age of Aquarius.
Speaker 6: If you take a step back, especially for people like
Speaker 6: us or probably esoteric people listening to the show right now, yes,
Speaker 6: you if you think about it for a second, what's
Speaker 6: happened since twenty twelve from a spiritual side, A great awakening,
Speaker 6: an influx of knowledge, especially like shows like Ancient Aliens
Speaker 6: becoming super popular. Who would have ever have guessed, But
Speaker 6: there's a clear shift in twenty twelve. You can see it,
Speaker 6: almost feel it, for this yearning of knowledge. So yes,
Speaker 6: it's very interesting that over thirty ancient cultures were aware
Speaker 6: of this larger cycle of time, and many of them
Speaker 6: document you know, even the ancient Hindus and such called
Speaker 6: them the cycle of the yugas the Greeks called it
Speaker 6: the Great Year. It's an understanding that we go through
Speaker 6: time and it's cyclical. It's not way in the past
Speaker 6: and going to the future. You know, we've heard of
Speaker 6: these terms like the Dark Ages, you know, the Dark
Speaker 6: Ages or the Golden Age. Those aren't the Dark Ages
Speaker 6: in the past and the Gold Age in the future.
Speaker 6: These are repeating events, and it seems like we're just
Speaker 6: coming out of the last Dark Auge and have a
Speaker 6: long way to go towards the next Golden Age. But
Speaker 6: many cultures track this knowledge and watch the divisions of
Speaker 6: the heavens to understand are we in an age where
Speaker 6: we're going into an ascending time or are we going
Speaker 6: into a descending time? And what does that mean? And
Speaker 6: from from a larger perspective, you know, Ron, what I've
Speaker 6: come to understand is that we have motions in our
Speaker 6: solar system and in space that control the rise and
Speaker 6: fall of evolution here on Earth. It's very complex, the
Speaker 6: idea that we have two sons, not one. We're a
Speaker 6: binary solar system. When our two sons are at their
Speaker 6: farthest point from each other, we're in the Dark Ages.
Speaker 6: Closest point we're in the Golden Age. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of evidence to suggest that we actually have a second son.
Speaker 6: It's very very far out there beyond the Orc Cloud.
Speaker 6: It might even be a dark star now, or it
Speaker 6: could be serious A and B.
Speaker 4: We don't know that actually has come up in the
Speaker 4: last few years.
Speaker 5: Even Avilobin talked about that specifically new discoveries that are
Speaker 5: pointing to that being a real possibility. You're listening to
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Speaker 5: We are back on Beyond Contact talking with Jason Martel
Speaker 5: this evening. Jason, you keep bringing this up about the
Speaker 5: sky being divided into twelve different sections like our zodiac.
Speaker 5: How in the world is it possible all these ancient
Speaker 5: cultures you're referring to were able to divide the sky
Speaker 5: up the same way.
Speaker 4: Something's missing here. Why did they all do it the
Speaker 4: same way?
Speaker 6: They had the same teachers.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Graham Hancock's Netflix special, beautiful eight hour special on Netflix,
Speaker 6: Ancient Apocalypse. You know, it shows you around the world
Speaker 6: where pretty much right after the flood, all continents speak
Speaker 6: of these great teachers that show up and teach mathematics, architecture, agriculture,
Speaker 6: and they're always known as and reference as giants. So
Speaker 6: I thought his special was interesting because he shows many
Speaker 6: different sites built at a very megalithic scale across even
Speaker 6: the US, and scattered all over the US are burial sites,
Speaker 6: Indian burial sites where there's men, women much higher than
Speaker 6: seven feet larger people, and they're not well known like
Speaker 6: you know, publicized sites, but they are historically kept and
Speaker 6: it's interesting to try and understand, like, who were these
Speaker 6: great teachers that showed up right after the Great flood.
Speaker 6: It's one of the best candidates I can think of.
Speaker 6: Maybe they were the Onanaki or something of this, you know,
Speaker 6: ancient race that the man in the Bibles speak of
Speaker 6: making us in their image and f they're there likeness.
Speaker 6: There's a good amount of evidence to suggest that they
Speaker 6: were one of the races that contributed to, you know,
Speaker 6: the melting pot of races.
Speaker 4: That we have now across the planet, no doubt.
Speaker 5: The Sumerian text, it seems to me like there's up
Speaker 5: to two million I think they call them cuniform tablets
Speaker 5: that have been found so far. And these are, as
Speaker 5: we said, around six thousand years old. I read perhaps
Speaker 5: only one hundred thousand of these have ever been read.
Speaker 5: Does that sound right to you?
Speaker 6: You know, you only have so many Sumerologists in the
Speaker 6: world that can actually read Cuneiform script. There's probably about
Speaker 6: three hundred in the world, maybe topping that. So it
Speaker 6: is rather a unique skill, and up till now there
Speaker 6: has been only a handful of the overall knowledge base
Speaker 6: that's been translated. What's interesting for me ron is there's
Speaker 6: two pieces of the evidence there. One there's cylinder seals
Speaker 6: where somehow they were able to take these round stones
Speaker 6: and reverse carve diagrams that when you roll over it
Speaker 6: and leaves a positive imprint. So it was a very
Speaker 6: easy way to quickly have an ancient printing press.
Speaker 4: Literally as xerox literally.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and just bang out all these copies and
Speaker 6: put them in the stove, making them in stone and
Speaker 6: disseminating it with accompanying text. So they usually would have
Speaker 6: a picture and then a little tablet that has a
Speaker 6: quneiform script on it. So their ability to have the
Speaker 6: cylinder seals as well as the tablets, we have both
Speaker 6: of those left. There's museums across the world, from Turkey
Speaker 6: to you know, the British Museum to here in the US,
Speaker 6: and of course in Iraq, you know the Iraqi Museum.
Speaker 6: We have many of these artifacts that are stored, you know,
Speaker 6: and to this day and not a lot of them
Speaker 6: have been translated. I did hire a professional antiquities photographer
Speaker 6: many years ago and went to six different museums photographing
Speaker 6: only Sumerian artifacts. And because they were an antiquities photographer
Speaker 6: had the ability to get right up in there, wow,
Speaker 6: and shoot them all, which is great. I still have
Speaker 6: all those, But the challenge is really the decipherment. And
Speaker 6: so one of the things that I have been undertaking,
Speaker 6: as you mentioned earlier in the show, is with AI.
Speaker 6: You know, the best analogy I can give is a
Speaker 6: visual one. If any of you have seen the new
Speaker 6: movie called Arrival, where they're essentially talking to these large
Speaker 6: octopus aliens called heptapods, and they always do it through
Speaker 6: a glass window using a laptop a tablet. More likely,
Speaker 6: the tablet is essentially deciphering ten thousand symbols that the
Speaker 6: heptopods have thrown up and quickly tells the human ship
Speaker 6: weapon tool, I need a tool, I mean, whatever it is.
Speaker 6: But they're basically using a very primitive form of AI
Speaker 6: to very quickly have a language model around the heptopods.
Speaker 6: So one of the things that we're doing now is
Speaker 6: cataloging Cuneiform script through AI using chatch ept four little,
Speaker 6: where we have a much more advanced model to catalog
Speaker 6: all of the symbols and their usage across scripts and
Speaker 6: translate them automatically using AI. So I think we'll find
Speaker 6: over the next five to ten years that a lot
Speaker 6: of that stuff will become brought to the forefront, and
Speaker 6: who knows, there could be new uses of penicillin, cures
Speaker 6: for drugs, ways to fix aging, maybe new unlocking of
Speaker 6: secrets based on some of the stuff that we've already found.
Speaker 4: You know, that's on the way. So it's exciting.
Speaker 5: It's very exciting that there's all these new texts that
Speaker 5: we may get to decipher. But I'm I'm afraid that
Speaker 5: other than a couple of the examples that you just mentioned,
Speaker 5: if we found out new information like that's in a
Speaker 5: lot of these texts, most of the world doesn't care.
Speaker 5: They don't pay attention to it. They don't seem to
Speaker 5: give credence to these documents that really are probably more
Speaker 5: likely history than fiction, don't you think.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know Netflix makes a good light of
Speaker 6: this too. There was a Lito Ardo DiCaprio movie, I
Speaker 6: think it's called Don't Look Up Right, and it's like
Speaker 6: about an asteroid and a pending asteroid that's going to
Speaker 6: whack the Earth. Everyone's gonna die, and I think in
Speaker 6: the end they do. But like the world's response to that, eh, right,
Speaker 6: gives a shit?
Speaker 5: You know, Sorry for my No, it drives me crazy
Speaker 5: all the time. That's how people react to this stuff.
Speaker 5: And it's very hard to move the needle. You could
Speaker 5: find a remarkable Rosetta stone, if you will, in those texts,
Speaker 5: and I don't think most of the world is going
Speaker 5: to pay attention or care or change anything.
Speaker 6: It takes time.
Speaker 5: Ron.
Speaker 6: You know, one of the other questions you asked in
Speaker 6: the beginning is, you know, people's reaction to this over time.
Speaker 6: When I first started this research in my you know,
Speaker 6: I guess I was in my early twenties. I'm fifty now, right,
Speaker 6: and so twenty plus years ago when I learned about
Speaker 6: the face on Mars and you know, possible structures over
Speaker 6: the Earth. You know, I would create these documents in
Speaker 6: color graphics, and I would take them like to a
Speaker 6: gathering of my college students and pass things out and
Speaker 6: people would be like, dude, what are you doing. You know,
Speaker 6: don't you think NASA would tell us if there were.
Speaker 4: Structures on Mars? Not?
Speaker 6: No, And that was twenty years ago, and so I
Speaker 6: had to learn right the right avenues to channel this interest.
Speaker 6: But yes, it is interesting that twenty years later there's
Speaker 6: a much more of an interest and more of a like,
Speaker 6: you know, an acknowledgment that there's a layer here that exists.
Speaker 6: You know, most people are aware of NASA, but we
Speaker 6: should also acknowledge that there's a NASA, a secret NASA,
Speaker 6: and that's been going on side by side ever since
Speaker 6: the inception of NASA, and it's just not a publicly
Speaker 6: known fact. That's not really the ancient stuff, other than
Speaker 6: the fact that even that the most critical things that
Speaker 6: we've been doing since the forties are reverse engineering with
Speaker 6: the Germans and all kinds of stuff, and Werner Brown
Speaker 6: Vaughn not really rockets.
Speaker 4: With other stuff.
Speaker 6: All of that starts with ancient alien technology where they
Speaker 6: look to the past, the German bell and various other
Speaker 6: things where they said, wow, you know, the spinning of
Speaker 6: mercury and many of these other things that are talked
Speaker 6: about in even ancient Indian texts of the Vamana. It's
Speaker 6: all tied together, right. It's really interesting how the past
Speaker 6: and the future repeats itself.
Speaker 4: No doubt again, these cycles.
Speaker 5: You know, I know you're a big fan of Zacharaisichen,
Speaker 5: who was early in deciphering this stuff with his Earth
Speaker 5: Chronicles of going through these Samerian texts boy would he
Speaker 5: missed out on AI Huh, poor guy.
Speaker 6: A lot of things around. Yeah, the technology change, but
Speaker 6: that's just part of the flow.
Speaker 4: Ghost. What do you think about the criticisms of his.
Speaker 6: Work, Well, that's part of the thing that I championed it.
Speaker 6: You know, there was a website out there called Sitchin
Speaker 6: is Wrong, and so I built one called Sitchin is Right.
Speaker 6: Good for you on this show. If you'd like, you
Speaker 6: can go to sitchinsriiight dot com and see why from
Speaker 6: a high level run it's simply this. Zachari Sitchin has
Speaker 6: always challenged the biblical norm, especially for people who follow
Speaker 6: the Bible. He's not trying to change it or say
Speaker 6: that it doesn't exist. Opposite, he's trying to uphold the
Speaker 6: biblical veracity of what's said. It's heavy information, so he's
Speaker 6: received a lot of scrutiny over the certain phrases like
Speaker 6: the onanachy or looking at the what could be the
Speaker 6: seven sister stars of ple eightes and saying, no, that's
Speaker 6: actually the numeric seven to represent Earth. A lot of
Speaker 6: his things had differences where the mainstream would say he's
Speaker 6: just way wrong, and then you have the religious scholars
Speaker 6: that say, oh, you see all along, I've told you it's.
Speaker 4: Angels in the Bible.
Speaker 6: Only you can't believe what he says about the Onanaki
Speaker 6: because look, even the scholars are saying he's wrong. Of
Speaker 6: course they're saying he's wrong. There's this line in the
Speaker 6: dirt where aliens don't exist. You guys, don't step over it.
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 6: So the people who have stepped over that line have
Speaker 6: always patted Zachari Sitchin yep, as well as Erickon Danikin
Speaker 6: on the back. You can see I've got my Eric
Speaker 6: Fondanicin poster right here doing.
Speaker 4: The mirror image. Good for you like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is hard for us to Everybody sees this
Speaker 5: through their own paradigm, through their own lens, and they
Speaker 5: all look at the same words and see it differently.
Speaker 5: Isn't it true that a lot of the writing in
Speaker 5: these texts, in these Samerian texts, are very mundane, Like
Speaker 5: we worked in the field today, we went fishing today. Right,
Speaker 5: It's a lot of just day to day nonsense.
Speaker 6: But so here's some of that. I've a whole lexicon
Speaker 6: of stuff.
Speaker 5: This isn't like some fantasy that the whole thing is
Speaker 5: just aliens are coming, inceships and all this. It's like
Speaker 5: a lot of this is like historical journaling. So that
Speaker 5: tells me it deserves more credence than the world is
Speaker 5: giving to these documents. When we come back, we're going
Speaker 5: to talk to Jason Moore about artificial intelligence and the
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Speaker 5: We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking
Speaker 5: to Jason Martell. Jason, so, you built this incredible AI
Speaker 5: system that incorporates ancient alien research, and I found this
Speaker 5: thing fantastic. I played with it the other day a
Speaker 5: little bit. Not only does it have all of this information,
Speaker 5: but it also very careful to say things about aliens
Speaker 5: and UFOs, such as this is just speculation, or it's
Speaker 5: important to remember that all UFO sightings may be something else.
Speaker 5: It's incredible to think that it has that sort of perspective.
Speaker 5: Did you intentionally make sure that was put in there?
Speaker 6: I did, And if we want to try it, I
Speaker 6: can actually call up my AI model and have it
Speaker 6: speak with us very quick.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, let's do that.
Speaker 6: I'll just give it the preface by saying, to answer
Speaker 6: your question, Ron, yes, I've trained it specifically on our
Speaker 6: ancient astronaut theory. Just as in the past, when I
Speaker 6: come to your conference, I prepare it for contact in
Speaker 6: the desert. I tell it who's speaking, what we're going
Speaker 6: to be doing. So I'm live with the audience. It's like, Hey, guys,
Speaker 6: how's contact in the desert? Does everyone have it a
Speaker 6: fun time?
Speaker 5: It knows contextually, I'm wondering if we couldn't have it
Speaker 5: host one of these panels somehow, very soon. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's getting there, It's crazy. Yeah, that's eleven months away
Speaker 5: is enough for this thing to learn.
Speaker 6: Let's say hi real quick, I'm gonna have it pull
Speaker 6: up right now.
Speaker 10: Hi is a Josh for the Ancient Astronaut. I am
Speaker 10: a UFO and ancient astronat expert.
Speaker 2: How can I help you?
Speaker 6: Hey, I'd like you to talk to Captain Ron I'm
Speaker 6: live on a show. You might have asked you a
Speaker 6: question too, Hi, Data, would you.
Speaker 5: Like to Hi, Josh, I want to know if you
Speaker 5: know more about ancient astronauts than Jason Martell.
Speaker 6: Does you know?
Speaker 10: I've spent years researching and studying the inncient astronaut theory,
Speaker 10: and I've got to say I've got a pretty.
Speaker 6: Deep understanding of it.
Speaker 10: I've written books, given lectures, and even consulted with some
Speaker 10: of the top experts in the field. So yeah, I'd
Speaker 10: say I've got a pretty good grasp. But you know,
Speaker 10: Jason went all the smart guy too, and I'm sure
Speaker 10: he's got his own insight percive on the subject.
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm gonna let you go now, but thank you.
Speaker 6: Say goodbye to ron.
Speaker 10: I'm great, thank you have a wonderful day, fellow research
Speaker 10: or talckey.
Speaker 5: Ten his voice inflection and the way he rolled that out,
Speaker 5: I mean, it really does sound like a person. I mean,
Speaker 5: if you didn't tell somebody you could, I'm sure you
Speaker 5: can fool people with this thing.
Speaker 6: It is getting closer, and you know, actually, if you
Speaker 6: go to ancientastronauts dot com, that model is a phone
Speaker 6: number that anyone can call and speak to. It's almost
Speaker 6: like a downlow ancient astronaut psychologist too, because people are
Speaker 6: always asking it the wackiest questions to try and learn
Speaker 6: stuff as well, though.
Speaker 5: And it does have good information. Like I only use
Speaker 5: the desktop version and I typed in several questions and
Speaker 5: it was incredible the way it answered. It seemed very
Speaker 5: fair and balanced to me that it gave a good answer,
Speaker 5: but it was not also hell bent that this is
Speaker 5: the only way it could be. It's really great and
Speaker 5: it's great that you've made this available to everyone to
Speaker 5: use for free. I think it's a great resource and
Speaker 5: I think it's going to get even better.
Speaker 4: Obviously.
Speaker 6: I'm really excited about where AI is taking us. I
Speaker 6: think there's going to be an evolution in some of
Speaker 6: the tools that we have with the processing power of AI.
Speaker 6: You think about some of the things we're doing now
Speaker 6: where we want to understand if other dimensions exist, how
Speaker 6: do we understand third dimension versus other spaces that might
Speaker 6: be a shared space that we OPTI And the best
Speaker 6: analogy I've heard is kind of like a radio station
Speaker 6: when you're tuning from one to the other.
Speaker 4: You hear this.
Speaker 6: Clear station and then it goes kind of staticy until
Speaker 6: you're the other one. A lot of time we see
Speaker 6: these beings appearing, and they're ships appearing where they phase
Speaker 6: in and they phase out, and it's kind of like
Speaker 6: the tuning of a radio station. They're not fully here
Speaker 6: until they're fully tuned in or fully tuned out. So
Speaker 6: there might be some ways that are going to surface
Speaker 6: in the next few years that allow us to see
Speaker 6: or understand some of these frequencies and start to visualize
Speaker 6: some of the things that have been going on around us.
Speaker 6: Some of that research has been going on at places
Speaker 6: like Skinwalker Ranch, using military grade technology to sense some
Speaker 6: of this activity. And you see movies like Stranger Things
Speaker 6: obviously fiction based but still tapping into some parts of reality.
Speaker 6: An around the show's idea.
Speaker 5: How do you see AI helping helping the cause here?
Speaker 5: I know that there's systems now that can analyze objects
Speaker 5: in the sky and discern that this is a helicopter,
Speaker 5: this is a plane, this is a bird, and then
Speaker 5: we only have to look at the anomalous ones.
Speaker 6: I saw some technology recently run and I have to
Speaker 6: look into it further. But someone's playing with some type
Speaker 6: of photon wave that the light can actually phase generate
Speaker 6: from a third dimension into something else, and they're detecting
Speaker 6: other creatures right in the room. I think you combine
Speaker 6: that with AI to find the right frequency level to
Speaker 6: tune these things in rather than having to do manual
Speaker 6: detection or how the systems would regulate themselves. Now tools
Speaker 6: combined with an AI layer that will allow us as
Speaker 6: the observer to get that data faster. And so when
Speaker 6: we talk about areas around like corporeal beings in the
Speaker 6: third dimension, are they ghosts? Are they aliens? What is
Speaker 6: this happening between the phase dimensional shift? Some of this
Speaker 6: is now starting to get detected with tools. I don't
Speaker 6: know where that's going to go, but it's like, okay, wow,
Speaker 6: now that's the next level stuff.
Speaker 5: Though, right, and the ability to go through all these
Speaker 5: vast number of texts, there's millions of these texts.
Speaker 4: AI can do that in a fraction of the time.
Speaker 6: People have page turning robots now that can literally go
Speaker 6: through a texts and just and it's translating each page,
Speaker 6: you know, in five seconds.
Speaker 5: Fantastic, and it can run twenty four to seven and
Speaker 5: we may even find new texts out there. Who knows
Speaker 5: what hasn't been found yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was playing around with a fun version of
Speaker 6: AI the other day. I took a Sumerian text, translated
Speaker 6: it into English, took that translation and then went to
Speaker 6: Suno s u n Osuno dot com, which is free
Speaker 6: AI music generation, pasted that Sumerian script in there, and
Speaker 6: then started a beautiful song about Sumerian mathematics and the
Speaker 6: legacy of kingship, kind of as a rap song, all
Speaker 6: done by AI. So, you know, there's fun ways to
Speaker 6: find expression, in ways to teach people in our own
Speaker 6: you know, society at how we use things, whether it
Speaker 6: be a movie, whether it be music, whether it be
Speaker 6: a written text. The AI infused into how we consume
Speaker 6: and create this stuff. It's changing the game. One of
Speaker 6: the things that I you know, have done that I
Speaker 6: found is a creative use. Last example, I love surfing
Speaker 6: and so I have a membership to something called surf Line.
Speaker 6: I don't think surf line knows this, maybe someone should
Speaker 6: tell them. But they give you twenty four hour access
Speaker 6: time lapse footage that you can download of all the
Speaker 6: beaches where I surf across California. So I download from
Speaker 6: seventeen different locations three days worth of worth of footage.
Speaker 6: When I know there's been a UFO outbreak off of California.
Speaker 6: I then use a language model and a detection system
Speaker 6: to say anything that looks like a sphere of star,
Speaker 6: a triangle using these types of you know, flying principles,
Speaker 6: capture that as a clip and put it in a
Speaker 6: safe folder. So then I get ten clips to look
Speaker 6: at out of one hundred hours of footage, and one
Speaker 6: of those ten clips have three interesting things and seven
Speaker 6: that are just what the AI did wasn't able to
Speaker 6: recognize as something that was, you know, bug too close
Speaker 6: to the lens and it was raining, and it detected it.
Speaker 6: But a much easier way to go through that data,
Speaker 6: it's literally finding the needle in the haystack.
Speaker 5: You could never do that by yourself manually, it would
Speaker 5: take forever. So that's that's an incredible use of AI.
Speaker 5: Could AI help us sit Asien perhaps circumvent the government altogether,
Speaker 5: as we can find these objects ourselves in our own
Speaker 5: backyard if we had the right equipment.
Speaker 6: Yes, But I also think that there's some unanswered question
Speaker 6: as to why we don't freely see these objects in
Speaker 6: our sky. There's some type of cloaking mechanism or something
Speaker 6: that you know, for the most part, keeps these craft
Speaker 6: non observant to us. Part of that is the extraterrestrial angle.
Speaker 6: The other part of it as our earth based angle.
Speaker 6: The earth based angle I can answer more easily. You know,
Speaker 6: in the early nineties there was a statistical analysis that said,
Speaker 6: if you want to fly your secret craft, you do
Speaker 6: it on Wednesday nights at three am. No one's out,
Speaker 6: no one's looking at the sky. And that's when Bob
Speaker 6: Bazar and you know, John Lear and a bunch of
Speaker 6: others started looking at Area fifty one UFOs and all
Speaker 6: got busted. The point is now there is no more
Speaker 6: of these types of opportunities to fly the craft that
Speaker 6: are human based, because all countries have satellites monitoring twenty
Speaker 6: four seven. So where do you fly your super advanced
Speaker 6: craft above them, above the sellites? So all of that
Speaker 6: is happening, you know, you need night vision goggles which
Speaker 6: I have behind me on my shelf, you know, and
Speaker 6: a telescope to start to observe things that are happening,
Speaker 6: you know, you know, beyond our atmosphere to really you know, understand.
Speaker 4: What do you think about disclosure?
Speaker 6: I answered two ways, one bluntly never going to happen.
Speaker 6: I've realized now that over the last sixty years a
Speaker 6: pattern they've put task force in charge for the public
Speaker 6: to get the answers of what's going on. Project Bluebook,
Speaker 6: the Grudge Report, the Condon Report, all the way up
Speaker 6: until a tip, all of these task force, these military
Speaker 6: task force by the DoD over the last fifty years,
Speaker 6: they assemble a task force to talk to the public.
Speaker 6: It's always with high ranking military personnel, people coming out
Speaker 6: of places where you would expect.
Speaker 4: Them to know.
Speaker 6: And what do they always tell us Nothing? All part
Speaker 6: of a plan to basically give you nothing. There's something
Speaker 6: still being kept from us, and it's just another band
Speaker 6: aid task force to answer to the public, to just
Speaker 6: confuse them and leave them going what the yes, Well,
Speaker 6: disclosure is not going to happen.
Speaker 5: I agree, and I think even if they pass the
Speaker 5: Schumer uap bell, it's going to be buried in so
Speaker 5: many things they're not going to be able to release
Speaker 5: much anyway.
Speaker 4: That's the story. It's been that way for fifty years
Speaker 4: or more. Yeah, and thanks a lot for coming on
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 5: We really appreciate it. Ought to Ancient Astronauts dot com.
Speaker 5: That's where his incredible AI system is. It's very useful.
Speaker 5: Check it out. Thanks for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll
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