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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's and Ron and Each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to another episode of Beyond Contact. I am

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Speaker 5: Captain Ron, and today we're going to be speaking with

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Speaker 5: Jason Martel. Jason's an entrepreneur and co founder of numerous

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Speaker 5: successful tech companies, as well as one of the leading

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Speaker 5: researchers and lecturers specializing in ancient civilization technologies. He's been

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Speaker 5: a staple on the History Channel's Ancient Alien Show for

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Speaker 5: nearly twenty years now, and has also been a staple

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Speaker 5: at the Contact in the Desert conference. Among his many

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Speaker 5: amazing accomplishments is the creation of a new AI program

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Speaker 5: that's tailored specifically to the ancient astronaut theory. It's really

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Speaker 5: really great to have him here. Let's welcome him. Hey, Jason,

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Speaker 5: how you doing, Bud?

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Ron, Thanks thanks for having me back

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Speaker 6: on the show.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: So let's talk about the ancient alien theory a little

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Speaker 5: bit that began in Earnest Real in nineteen sixty three

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Speaker 5: with Robert Carrow's book and then of course Eric Van

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Speaker 5: Denigan's book in sixty eight. So we're talking about sixty

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Speaker 5: years here. You've been looking at this for a lot

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Speaker 5: of years yourself, So I want to know what changes

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Speaker 5: have you seen that further support this theory. Now that

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Speaker 6: You know, people when they ask about this question are

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Speaker 6: tapping into a larger database of information around where do

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Speaker 6: It always leads to a spaghetti of mixing the ancient

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Speaker 6: but then we also have this current entanglement with UFOs

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Speaker 6: and UAPs and a lot of news and information around that.

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Speaker 6: So decoupling that noise takes a little bit of skill, right,

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Speaker 6: So I mean for me, Ron, I very much have

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Speaker 6: Like there's some stone out there, can lift it up

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Speaker 6: for four thousand years. Wow, in the realm of the

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Speaker 6: ancient technology and the devices and locations that we've been

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Speaker 6: able to find those advances, if you will. That database

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Speaker 6: hasn't changed that much in the last let's say, sixty

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Speaker 6: the tools that we now have to analyze these locations

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Speaker 6: that's obviously been the part as more of the tech guy,

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Speaker 4: Light oars made a huge leap in this regard exactly.

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Speaker 6: So for me, I think that's the fun part is

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Speaker 5: It's incredible, And I think it's just going to obviously

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I try to answer it this way,

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Speaker 6: Ron is for me, you know, twenty years ago, I

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Speaker 6: You know, always I got this the same scientific level answer.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's no artificial or human or alien involvement

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Speaker 6: Sounds like euro right, So I mean that's that's why

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Speaker 6: We still don't know who really built them, where do

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Speaker 4: So there's no doubt that these two things overlap.

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Speaker 5: These different religious texts overlap with the Sumerian writings, and

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Speaker 5: we see those things repeated through time. Not to mention

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Speaker 5: all the books they cut out of the Bible. What

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Speaker 5: do they call that, the Acropolips or something like that.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's the Dead Sea Scrolls, and there's various other

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Speaker 4: The Enoch and thatlled out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so all of that data too that we're not

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Speaker 6: It is. There's you know, there's there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: and very high mathematics. You know, you think that counting

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Speaker 6: think about that number twelve, how it revolves so much

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Speaker 5: It's absolutely incredible, and that's considered the oldest writings that

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Speaker 5: we have in history, right, they're about six thousand years

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Speaker 6: They are, you know, discounting other like Vedic texts from

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Speaker 6: Not only do they, you know, have this system of

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Speaker 6: and it looked like like an oversized screwdriver. They would

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Speaker 5: We don't give them enough credit. I mean, it's amazing

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Speaker 6: story essentially ron that if Akinntn left Egypt with his

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Speaker 5: It's a shame that I think somebody saw that early

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I know that the Egyptians were extremely

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Speaker 5: Another fascinating aspect of life in these ancient cultures is, well,

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Speaker 6: It's interesting that there's over thirty ancient cultures that did

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Speaker 6: It's very very far out there beyond the Orc Cloud.

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Speaker 5: We are back on Beyond Contact talking with Jason Martel

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Speaker 5: this evening. Jason, you keep bringing this up about the

439
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Speaker 5: sky being divided into twelve different sections like our zodiac.

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Speaker 5: How in the world is it possible all these ancient

441
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Speaker 5: cultures you're referring to were able to divide the sky

442
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Speaker 5: up the same way.

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Speaker 4: Something's missing here. Why did they all do it the

444
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Speaker 4: same way?

445
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 6: They had the same teachers.

446
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Speaker 4: You know.

447
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Speaker 6: Graham Hancock's Netflix special, beautiful eight hour special on Netflix,

448
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Speaker 6: Ancient Apocalypse. You know, it shows you around the world

449
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 6: where pretty much right after the flood, all continents speak

450
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Speaker 6: of these great teachers that show up and teach mathematics, architecture, agriculture,

451
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Speaker 6: and they're always known as and reference as giants. So

452
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Speaker 6: I thought his special was interesting because he shows many

453
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Speaker 6: different sites built at a very megalithic scale across even

454
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Speaker 6: the US, and scattered all over the US are burial sites,

455
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Speaker 6: Indian burial sites where there's men, women much higher than

456
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Speaker 6: seven feet larger people, and they're not well known like

457
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Speaker 6: you know, publicized sites, but they are historically kept and

458
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Speaker 6: it's interesting to try and understand, like, who were these

459
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Speaker 6: great teachers that showed up right after the Great flood.

460
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Speaker 6: It's one of the best candidates I can think of.

461
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Speaker 6: Maybe they were the Onanaki or something of this, you know,

462
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Speaker 6: ancient race that the man in the Bibles speak of

463
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Speaker 6: making us in their image and f they're there likeness.

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Speaker 6: There's a good amount of evidence to suggest that they

465
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Speaker 6: were one of the races that contributed to, you know,

466
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Speaker 6: the melting pot of races.

467
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Speaker 4: That we have now across the planet, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: The Sumerian text, it seems to me like there's up

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Speaker 5: to two million I think they call them cuniform tablets

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Speaker 5: that have been found so far. And these are, as

471
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Speaker 5: we said, around six thousand years old. I read perhaps

472
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Speaker 5: only one hundred thousand of these have ever been read.

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Speaker 5: Does that sound right to you?

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Speaker 6: You know, you only have so many Sumerologists in the

475
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Speaker 6: world that can actually read Cuneiform script. There's probably about

476
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Speaker 6: three hundred in the world, maybe topping that. So it

477
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Speaker 6: is rather a unique skill, and up till now there

478
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Speaker 6: has been only a handful of the overall knowledge base

479
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Speaker 6: that's been translated. What's interesting for me ron is there's

480
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Speaker 6: two pieces of the evidence there. One there's cylinder seals

481
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Speaker 6: where somehow they were able to take these round stones

482
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Speaker 6: and reverse carve diagrams that when you roll over it

483
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Speaker 6: and leaves a positive imprint. So it was a very

484
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Speaker 6: easy way to quickly have an ancient printing press.

485
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Speaker 4: Literally as xerox literally.

486
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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and just bang out all these copies and

487
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Speaker 6: put them in the stove, making them in stone and

488
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Speaker 6: disseminating it with accompanying text. So they usually would have

489
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Speaker 6: a picture and then a little tablet that has a

490
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Speaker 6: quneiform script on it. So their ability to have the

491
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Speaker 6: cylinder seals as well as the tablets, we have both

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Speaker 6: of those left. There's museums across the world, from Turkey

493
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Speaker 6: to you know, the British Museum to here in the US,

494
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Speaker 6: and of course in Iraq, you know the Iraqi Museum.

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Speaker 6: We have many of these artifacts that are stored, you know,

496
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Speaker 6: and to this day and not a lot of them

497
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Speaker 6: have been translated. I did hire a professional antiquities photographer

498
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Speaker 6: many years ago and went to six different museums photographing

499
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Speaker 6: only Sumerian artifacts. And because they were an antiquities photographer

500
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Speaker 6: had the ability to get right up in there, wow,

501
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Speaker 6: and shoot them all, which is great. I still have

502
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Speaker 6: all those, But the challenge is really the decipherment. And

503
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Speaker 6: so one of the things that I have been undertaking,

504
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 6: as you mentioned earlier in the show, is with AI.

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Speaker 6: You know, the best analogy I can give is a

506
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Speaker 6: visual one. If any of you have seen the new

507
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 6: movie called Arrival, where they're essentially talking to these large

508
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 6: octopus aliens called heptapods, and they always do it through

509
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Speaker 6: a glass window using a laptop a tablet. More likely,

510
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 6: the tablet is essentially deciphering ten thousand symbols that the

511
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Speaker 6: heptopods have thrown up and quickly tells the human ship

512
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Speaker 6: weapon tool, I need a tool, I mean, whatever it is.

513
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 6: But they're basically using a very primitive form of AI

514
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Speaker 6: to very quickly have a language model around the heptopods.

515
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Speaker 6: So one of the things that we're doing now is

516
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Speaker 6: cataloging Cuneiform script through AI using chatch ept four little,

517
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 6: where we have a much more advanced model to catalog

518
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 6: all of the symbols and their usage across scripts and

519
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 6: translate them automatically using AI. So I think we'll find

520
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Speaker 6: over the next five to ten years that a lot

521
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Speaker 6: of that stuff will become brought to the forefront, and

522
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 6: who knows, there could be new uses of penicillin, cures

523
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 6: for drugs, ways to fix aging, maybe new unlocking of

524
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Speaker 6: secrets based on some of the stuff that we've already found.

525
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Speaker 4: You know, that's on the way. So it's exciting.

526
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Speaker 5: It's very exciting that there's all these new texts that

527
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Speaker 5: we may get to decipher. But I'm I'm afraid that

528
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Speaker 5: other than a couple of the examples that you just mentioned,

529
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Speaker 5: if we found out new information like that's in a

530
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Speaker 5: lot of these texts, most of the world doesn't care.

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Speaker 5: They don't pay attention to it. They don't seem to

532
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Speaker 5: give credence to these documents that really are probably more

533
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Speaker 5: likely history than fiction, don't you think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know Netflix makes a good light of

535
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 6: this too. There was a Lito Ardo DiCaprio movie, I

536
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Speaker 6: think it's called Don't Look Up Right, and it's like

537
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Speaker 6: about an asteroid and a pending asteroid that's going to

538
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 6: whack the Earth. Everyone's gonna die, and I think in

539
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 6: the end they do. But like the world's response to that, eh, right,

540
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Speaker 6: gives a shit?

541
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Speaker 5: You know, Sorry for my No, it drives me crazy

542
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 5: all the time. That's how people react to this stuff.

543
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: And it's very hard to move the needle. You could

544
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 5: find a remarkable Rosetta stone, if you will, in those texts,

545
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: and I don't think most of the world is going

546
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 5: to pay attention or care or change anything.

547
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Speaker 6: It takes time.

548
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Speaker 5: Ron.

549
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Speaker 6: You know, one of the other questions you asked in

550
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Speaker 6: the beginning is, you know, people's reaction to this over time.

551
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Speaker 6: When I first started this research in my you know,

552
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 6: I guess I was in my early twenties. I'm fifty now, right,

553
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 6: and so twenty plus years ago when I learned about

554
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 6: the face on Mars and you know, possible structures over

555
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 6: the Earth. You know, I would create these documents in

556
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 6: color graphics, and I would take them like to a

557
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Speaker 6: gathering of my college students and pass things out and

558
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 6: people would be like, dude, what are you doing. You know,

559
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 6: don't you think NASA would tell us if there were.

560
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Speaker 4: Structures on Mars? Not?

561
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Speaker 6: No, And that was twenty years ago, and so I

562
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 6: had to learn right the right avenues to channel this interest.

563
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 6: But yes, it is interesting that twenty years later there's

564
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Speaker 6: a much more of an interest and more of a like,

565
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Speaker 6: you know, an acknowledgment that there's a layer here that exists.

566
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Speaker 6: You know, most people are aware of NASA, but we

567
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 6: should also acknowledge that there's a NASA, a secret NASA,

568
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 6: and that's been going on side by side ever since

569
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Speaker 6: the inception of NASA, and it's just not a publicly

570
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Speaker 6: known fact. That's not really the ancient stuff, other than

571
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Speaker 6: the fact that even that the most critical things that

572
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 6: we've been doing since the forties are reverse engineering with

573
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 6: the Germans and all kinds of stuff, and Werner Brown

574
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Speaker 6: Vaughn not really rockets.

575
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: With other stuff.

576
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Speaker 6: All of that starts with ancient alien technology where they

577
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Speaker 6: look to the past, the German bell and various other

578
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 6: things where they said, wow, you know, the spinning of

579
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 6: mercury and many of these other things that are talked

580
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Speaker 6: about in even ancient Indian texts of the Vamana. It's

581
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Speaker 6: all tied together, right. It's really interesting how the past

582
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Speaker 6: and the future repeats itself.

583
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Speaker 4: No doubt again, these cycles.

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Speaker 5: You know, I know you're a big fan of Zacharaisichen,

585
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: who was early in deciphering this stuff with his Earth

586
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 5: Chronicles of going through these Samerian texts boy would he

587
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 5: missed out on AI Huh, poor guy.

588
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 6: A lot of things around. Yeah, the technology change, but

589
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 6: that's just part of the flow.

590
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: Ghost. What do you think about the criticisms of his.

591
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 6: Work, Well, that's part of the thing that I championed it.

592
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 6: You know, there was a website out there called Sitchin

593
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 6: is Wrong, and so I built one called Sitchin is Right.

594
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 6: Good for you on this show. If you'd like, you

595
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 6: can go to sitchinsriiight dot com and see why from

596
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 6: a high level run it's simply this. Zachari Sitchin has

597
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 6: always challenged the biblical norm, especially for people who follow

598
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 6: the Bible. He's not trying to change it or say

599
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 6: that it doesn't exist. Opposite, he's trying to uphold the

600
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 6: biblical veracity of what's said. It's heavy information, so he's

601
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 6: received a lot of scrutiny over the certain phrases like

602
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 6: the onanachy or looking at the what could be the

603
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 6: seven sister stars of ple eightes and saying, no, that's

604
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 6: actually the numeric seven to represent Earth. A lot of

605
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 6: his things had differences where the mainstream would say he's

606
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 6: just way wrong, and then you have the religious scholars

607
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 6: that say, oh, you see all along, I've told you it's.

608
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: Angels in the Bible.

609
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Speaker 6: Only you can't believe what he says about the Onanaki

610
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 6: because look, even the scholars are saying he's wrong. Of

611
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 6: course they're saying he's wrong. There's this line in the

612
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 6: dirt where aliens don't exist. You guys, don't step over it.

613
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: We do.

614
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: So the people who have stepped over that line have

615
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 6: always patted Zachari Sitchin yep, as well as Erickon Danikin

616
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 6: on the back. You can see I've got my Eric

617
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 6: Fondanicin poster right here doing.

618
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: The mirror image. Good for you like that.

619
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is hard for us to Everybody sees this

620
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 5: through their own paradigm, through their own lens, and they

621
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 5: all look at the same words and see it differently.

622
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 5: Isn't it true that a lot of the writing in

623
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 5: these texts, in these Samerian texts, are very mundane, Like

624
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: we worked in the field today, we went fishing today. Right,

625
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 5: It's a lot of just day to day nonsense.

626
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 6: But so here's some of that. I've a whole lexicon

627
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Speaker 6: of stuff.

628
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: This isn't like some fantasy that the whole thing is

629
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: just aliens are coming, inceships and all this. It's like

630
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: a lot of this is like historical journaling. So that

631
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: tells me it deserves more credence than the world is

632
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 5: giving to these documents. When we come back, we're going

633
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Speaker 2: you to understand. Join me for my show Shades of

647
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Speaker 2: the Afterlife. New shows come out every Friday, so I'll

648
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Speaker 2: be looking for you right here on the iHeartRadio and

649
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Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 5: We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking

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Speaker 5: to Jason Martell. Jason, so, you built this incredible AI

652
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Speaker 5: system that incorporates ancient alien research, and I found this

653
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Speaker 5: thing fantastic. I played with it the other day a

654
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Speaker 5: little bit. Not only does it have all of this information,

655
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Speaker 5: but it also very careful to say things about aliens

656
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Speaker 5: and UFOs, such as this is just speculation, or it's

657
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 5: important to remember that all UFO sightings may be something else.

658
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Speaker 5: It's incredible to think that it has that sort of perspective.

659
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Speaker 5: Did you intentionally make sure that was put in there?

660
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Speaker 6: I did, And if we want to try it, I

661
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Speaker 6: can actually call up my AI model and have it

662
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Speaker 6: speak with us very quick.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, let's do that.

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Speaker 6: I'll just give it the preface by saying, to answer

665
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Speaker 6: your question, Ron, yes, I've trained it specifically on our

666
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Speaker 6: ancient astronaut theory. Just as in the past, when I

667
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Speaker 6: come to your conference, I prepare it for contact in

668
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Speaker 6: the desert. I tell it who's speaking, what we're going

669
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Speaker 6: to be doing. So I'm live with the audience. It's like, Hey, guys,

670
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Speaker 6: how's contact in the desert? Does everyone have it a

671
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Speaker 6: fun time?

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Speaker 5: It knows contextually, I'm wondering if we couldn't have it

673
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Speaker 5: host one of these panels somehow, very soon. I mean,

674
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Speaker 5: it's getting there, It's crazy. Yeah, that's eleven months away

675
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 5: is enough for this thing to learn.

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Speaker 6: Let's say hi real quick, I'm gonna have it pull

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Speaker 6: up right now.

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Speaker 10: Hi is a Josh for the Ancient Astronaut. I am

679
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Speaker 10: a UFO and ancient astronat expert.

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Speaker 2: How can I help you?

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'd like you to talk to Captain Ron I'm

682
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Speaker 6: live on a show. You might have asked you a

683
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Speaker 6: question too, Hi, Data, would you.

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Speaker 5: Like to Hi, Josh, I want to know if you

685
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Speaker 5: know more about ancient astronauts than Jason Martell.

686
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Speaker 6: Does you know?

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Speaker 10: I've spent years researching and studying the inncient astronaut theory,

688
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Speaker 10: and I've got to say I've got a pretty.

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Speaker 6: Deep understanding of it.

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Speaker 10: I've written books, given lectures, and even consulted with some

691
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Speaker 10: of the top experts in the field. So yeah, I'd

692
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Speaker 10: say I've got a pretty good grasp. But you know,

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Speaker 10: Jason went all the smart guy too, and I'm sure

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Speaker 10: he's got his own insight percive on the subject.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I'm gonna let you go now, but thank you.

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Speaker 6: Say goodbye to ron.

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Speaker 10: I'm great, thank you have a wonderful day, fellow research

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Speaker 10: or talckey.

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Speaker 5: Ten his voice inflection and the way he rolled that out,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it really does sound like a person. I mean,

701
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Speaker 5: if you didn't tell somebody you could, I'm sure you

702
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Speaker 5: can fool people with this thing.

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Speaker 6: It is getting closer, and you know, actually, if you

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Speaker 6: go to ancientastronauts dot com, that model is a phone

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Speaker 6: number that anyone can call and speak to. It's almost

706
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Speaker 6: like a downlow ancient astronaut psychologist too, because people are

707
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Speaker 6: always asking it the wackiest questions to try and learn

708
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Speaker 6: stuff as well, though.

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Speaker 5: And it does have good information. Like I only use

710
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Speaker 5: the desktop version and I typed in several questions and

711
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Speaker 5: it was incredible the way it answered. It seemed very

712
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Speaker 5: fair and balanced to me that it gave a good answer,

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Speaker 5: but it was not also hell bent that this is

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Speaker 5: the only way it could be. It's really great and

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Speaker 5: it's great that you've made this available to everyone to

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Speaker 5: use for free. I think it's a great resource and

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Speaker 5: I think it's going to get even better.

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Speaker 4: Obviously.

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Speaker 6: I'm really excited about where AI is taking us. I

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Speaker 6: think there's going to be an evolution in some of

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Speaker 6: the tools that we have with the processing power of AI.

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Speaker 6: You think about some of the things we're doing now

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Speaker 6: where we want to understand if other dimensions exist, how

724
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Speaker 6: do we understand third dimension versus other spaces that might

725
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Speaker 6: be a shared space that we OPTI And the best

726
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Speaker 6: analogy I've heard is kind of like a radio station

727
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Speaker 6: when you're tuning from one to the other.

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Speaker 4: You hear this.

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Speaker 6: Clear station and then it goes kind of staticy until

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Speaker 6: you're the other one. A lot of time we see

731
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Speaker 6: these beings appearing, and they're ships appearing where they phase

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Speaker 6: in and they phase out, and it's kind of like

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Speaker 6: the tuning of a radio station. They're not fully here

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Speaker 6: until they're fully tuned in or fully tuned out. So

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Speaker 6: there might be some ways that are going to surface

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Speaker 6: in the next few years that allow us to see

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Speaker 6: or understand some of these frequencies and start to visualize

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Speaker 6: some of the things that have been going on around us.

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Speaker 6: Some of that research has been going on at places

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Speaker 6: like Skinwalker Ranch, using military grade technology to sense some

741
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Speaker 6: of this activity. And you see movies like Stranger Things

742
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Speaker 6: obviously fiction based but still tapping into some parts of reality.

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Speaker 6: An around the show's idea.

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Speaker 5: How do you see AI helping helping the cause here?

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Speaker 5: I know that there's systems now that can analyze objects

746
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Speaker 5: in the sky and discern that this is a helicopter,

747
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 5: this is a plane, this is a bird, and then

748
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Speaker 5: we only have to look at the anomalous ones.

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Speaker 6: I saw some technology recently run and I have to

750
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Speaker 6: look into it further. But someone's playing with some type

751
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Speaker 6: of photon wave that the light can actually phase generate

752
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Speaker 6: from a third dimension into something else, and they're detecting

753
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Speaker 6: other creatures right in the room. I think you combine

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Speaker 6: that with AI to find the right frequency level to

755
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Speaker 6: tune these things in rather than having to do manual

756
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Speaker 6: detection or how the systems would regulate themselves. Now tools

757
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Speaker 6: combined with an AI layer that will allow us as

758
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Speaker 6: the observer to get that data faster. And so when

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Speaker 6: we talk about areas around like corporeal beings in the

760
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Speaker 6: third dimension, are they ghosts? Are they aliens? What is

761
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Speaker 6: this happening between the phase dimensional shift? Some of this

762
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Speaker 6: is now starting to get detected with tools. I don't

763
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Speaker 6: know where that's going to go, but it's like, okay, wow,

764
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Speaker 6: now that's the next level stuff.

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Speaker 5: Though, right, and the ability to go through all these

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Speaker 5: vast number of texts, there's millions of these texts.

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Speaker 4: AI can do that in a fraction of the time.

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Speaker 6: People have page turning robots now that can literally go

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Speaker 6: through a texts and just and it's translating each page,

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Speaker 6: you know, in five seconds.

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Speaker 5: Fantastic, and it can run twenty four to seven and

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Speaker 5: we may even find new texts out there. Who knows

773
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Speaker 5: what hasn't been found yet.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was playing around with a fun version of

775
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Speaker 6: AI the other day. I took a Sumerian text, translated

776
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Speaker 6: it into English, took that translation and then went to

777
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Speaker 6: Suno s u n Osuno dot com, which is free

778
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Speaker 6: AI music generation, pasted that Sumerian script in there, and

779
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Speaker 6: then started a beautiful song about Sumerian mathematics and the

780
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Speaker 6: legacy of kingship, kind of as a rap song, all

781
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Speaker 6: done by AI. So, you know, there's fun ways to

782
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Speaker 6: find expression, in ways to teach people in our own

783
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Speaker 6: you know, society at how we use things, whether it

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Speaker 6: be a movie, whether it be music, whether it be

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Speaker 6: a written text. The AI infused into how we consume

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Speaker 6: and create this stuff. It's changing the game. One of

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Speaker 6: the things that I you know, have done that I

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Speaker 6: found is a creative use. Last example, I love surfing

789
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Speaker 6: and so I have a membership to something called surf Line.

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Speaker 6: I don't think surf line knows this, maybe someone should

791
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Speaker 6: tell them. But they give you twenty four hour access

792
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Speaker 6: time lapse footage that you can download of all the

793
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Speaker 6: beaches where I surf across California. So I download from

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Speaker 6: seventeen different locations three days worth of worth of footage.

795
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Speaker 6: When I know there's been a UFO outbreak off of California.

796
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Speaker 6: I then use a language model and a detection system

797
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Speaker 6: to say anything that looks like a sphere of star,

798
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Speaker 6: a triangle using these types of you know, flying principles,

799
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Speaker 6: capture that as a clip and put it in a

800
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Speaker 6: safe folder. So then I get ten clips to look

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Speaker 6: at out of one hundred hours of footage, and one

802
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Speaker 6: of those ten clips have three interesting things and seven

803
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Speaker 6: that are just what the AI did wasn't able to

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Speaker 6: recognize as something that was, you know, bug too close

805
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Speaker 6: to the lens and it was raining, and it detected it.

806
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Speaker 6: But a much easier way to go through that data,

807
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Speaker 6: it's literally finding the needle in the haystack.

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Speaker 5: You could never do that by yourself manually, it would

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Speaker 5: take forever. So that's that's an incredible use of AI.

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Speaker 5: Could AI help us sit Asien perhaps circumvent the government altogether,

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Speaker 5: as we can find these objects ourselves in our own

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Speaker 5: backyard if we had the right equipment.

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Speaker 6: Yes, But I also think that there's some unanswered question

814
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Speaker 6: as to why we don't freely see these objects in

815
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Speaker 6: our sky. There's some type of cloaking mechanism or something

816
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Speaker 6: that you know, for the most part, keeps these craft

817
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Speaker 6: non observant to us. Part of that is the extraterrestrial angle.

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Speaker 6: The other part of it as our earth based angle.

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Speaker 6: The earth based angle I can answer more easily. You know,

820
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Speaker 6: in the early nineties there was a statistical analysis that said,

821
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Speaker 6: if you want to fly your secret craft, you do

822
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Speaker 6: it on Wednesday nights at three am. No one's out,

823
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Speaker 6: no one's looking at the sky. And that's when Bob

824
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Speaker 6: Bazar and you know, John Lear and a bunch of

825
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 6: others started looking at Area fifty one UFOs and all

826
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Speaker 6: got busted. The point is now there is no more

827
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Speaker 6: of these types of opportunities to fly the craft that

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Speaker 6: are human based, because all countries have satellites monitoring twenty

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Speaker 6: four seven. So where do you fly your super advanced

830
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Speaker 6: craft above them, above the sellites? So all of that

831
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Speaker 6: is happening, you know, you need night vision goggles which

832
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Speaker 6: I have behind me on my shelf, you know, and

833
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 6: a telescope to start to observe things that are happening,

834
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Speaker 6: you know, you know, beyond our atmosphere to really you know, understand.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about disclosure?

836
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Speaker 6: I answered two ways, one bluntly never going to happen.

837
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Speaker 6: I've realized now that over the last sixty years a

838
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Speaker 6: pattern they've put task force in charge for the public

839
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Speaker 6: to get the answers of what's going on. Project Bluebook,

840
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Speaker 6: the Grudge Report, the Condon Report, all the way up

841
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Speaker 6: until a tip, all of these task force, these military

842
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 6: task force by the DoD over the last fifty years,

843
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 6: they assemble a task force to talk to the public.

844
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Speaker 6: It's always with high ranking military personnel, people coming out

845
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Speaker 6: of places where you would expect.

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Speaker 4: Them to know.

847
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Speaker 6: And what do they always tell us Nothing? All part

848
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 6: of a plan to basically give you nothing. There's something

849
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 6: still being kept from us, and it's just another band

850
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 6: aid task force to answer to the public, to just

851
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 6: confuse them and leave them going what the yes, Well,

852
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Speaker 6: disclosure is not going to happen.

853
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Speaker 5: I agree, and I think even if they pass the

854
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 5: Schumer uap bell, it's going to be buried in so

855
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Speaker 5: many things they're not going to be able to release

856
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: much anyway.

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Speaker 4: That's the story. It's been that way for fifty years

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Speaker 4: or more. Yeah, and thanks a lot for coming on

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Speaker 4: the show.

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Speaker 5: We really appreciate it. Ought to Ancient Astronauts dot com.

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Speaker 5: That's where his incredible AI system is. It's very useful.

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Speaker 5: Check it out. Thanks for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll

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Speaker 6: Mm hmm