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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Tell us about the triangle? Well, um, you

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Speaker 1: know last year and David Hatcher choulders. So my publisher

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Speaker 1: may argue with me about this, but last year I

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Speaker 1: was really burned out. I just not ancient Aliens in JFK,

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Speaker 1: which I still really firmly believe it, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great, great, great book. I was really happy

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Speaker 1: with it, and I was really burned out. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really want to take a year off.

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Speaker 1: And then David came up and said, oh, I really

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Speaker 1: need something for the spring catalog. So he asked me,

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you want to talk about? And

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, what is it from my past that

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Speaker 1: I haven't really dealt with yet? And I think that

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Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle was the thing that just came up,

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Speaker 1: and it was just really an intriguing mystery that nobody

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Speaker 1: has ever I think fully solved. That a lot of

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Speaker 1: cases have been put out there. But I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a possibility that somewhere in there,

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Speaker 1: I can I can come up with a mechanism, or

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Speaker 1: I can come up with the idea that might explain

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Speaker 1: what's going on there and why we've had this um

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Speaker 1: this pan amenon in the area for for so long.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of what drove me to think about

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Speaker 1: doing a Bermuda Triangle book. And I started digging in

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Speaker 1: and doing the research and it came up with it

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting stuff. Was it Charles Burletts who put the

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Speaker 1: Bermuda Triangle on the map? Yeah? I think so, especially

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Speaker 1: especially given that he was the one to really coin

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Speaker 1: the term the Bermuda Triangle. Now there were people that

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Speaker 1: had said, well, this area of this sea seems to

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Speaker 1: be there's a lot of mysterious disappearances and a lot

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Speaker 1: of strange things have happened there, But until he really

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Speaker 1: gave it the name, I mean, he coined the phrase

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Speaker 1: and he came up with that branding that people could

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Speaker 1: really begin to understand what you're he was talking about

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Speaker 1: and what was going on there, because you know, these

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Speaker 1: kinds of things, unless you can explain them easily, they're

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Speaker 1: not people that they don't really capture the popular imagination.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how do you explain the whole Trump Russia's story?

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Speaker 1: How do you explain that in simple terms? That's the

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Speaker 1: big problem nobody can really explain it in simple terms

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Speaker 1: or describe it in simple terms. So it's it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like people are just I'm not really able to

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Speaker 1: even come up with a name for it. But once

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Speaker 1: you have that that boom, that Bermuda triangle concept, then

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Speaker 1: people can understand that, and they really got very interested,

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Speaker 1: including me when I was a nine or ten year

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Speaker 1: old boy, when I first started hearing the stories and

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Speaker 1: I read his book. Give us an overview of some

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Speaker 1: of the cases you looked at that we'll get specific

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Speaker 1: into each one of them. Well, there were some really

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Speaker 1: really extraordinary and very very different cases that I looked into,

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Speaker 1: one or two. I mean, I think one of the

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Speaker 1: most important ones obviously, Flight nineteen is the first one

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Speaker 1: that comes up in nineteen forty five, right, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: you know you have I keep wanting to call it

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Speaker 1: flight forty five, but it's flight nineteen in nineteen forty five,

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Speaker 1: And as you get into the details of that, it's

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Speaker 1: just really an extraordinary case and there just isn't a

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Speaker 1: lot of explanation, and there's quite a bit of mystery

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Speaker 1: a there's a disappearance of the kotea Paxi, which is

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Speaker 1: a you know, a ship that was nineteen twenty five

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Speaker 1: you know, in Havana Harbor. So that was a curious one.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that story part of Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

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Speaker 1: It was. It was made famous really by by Steven

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Speaker 1: Spielberg and Close Encounters of the Third Kind when he

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Speaker 1: showed everybody the quote of Paxie in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the Gobi Desert in the desert that's right, Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: really is extrayed in nineteen sixty eight, ninety nine crew

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Speaker 1: million other cases of well not a million, but there's

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Speaker 1: a you know a lot of other cases of planes

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Speaker 1: no distress call. There's there's just a lot of cases

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Speaker 1: like that. Let's get into some of the specific cases.

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Speaker 1: In Flight nineteen, of course, December nineteen forty five, five

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Speaker 1: torpedo bombers simply vanished and disappeared, and then several days

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Speaker 1: later they sent out a ship to look for them

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Speaker 1: was a flying boat, Yeah, it was it was basically

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Speaker 1: a pby Catalina aircraft. And you know, actually, George, that

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Speaker 1: And are you telling me that somebody's going to forget

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Speaker 1: in the flying no no, no light up a cigarette.

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Speaker 1: And Taylor's last transmission was no, don't come after me. Now.

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Speaker 1: from outer space. WHOA. And that was actually confirmed by

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Speaker 1: I remember that, like you from being a kid and

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Speaker 1: Did they have recordings back in nineteen forty five of

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Speaker 1: talked about what people call the electronic fog of the Triangle,

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Speaker 1: to affect instruments, especially gyroscopes and other tracking devices, compasses

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Speaker 1: and you know, she said to a military officer it

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Speaker 1: them to crash. And the naval officers said, yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: So they relieved him from flight duty, or it would

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Speaker 1: a strange, extraordinary tale about flight the nineteen. And then

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