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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up?

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Speaker 1: Straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Monday, April,

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft Week everybody, and we have a special guest

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Speaker 1: to commemorate the week of the draft draft. He is

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Speaker 1: Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus. Guys been covering the

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Speaker 1: draft for them for I think five years now. He's

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Speaker 1: really good and polished. We recorded Sunday during NBA playoff games.

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Speaker 1: It was a wacky weekend for us. We you guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you follow me on the Graham, you

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Speaker 1: know my daughter suffered a broken foot at the heels

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Speaker 1: of our dog, are eighty pound Golden Retriever. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've told the story yet. It's not as bad

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Speaker 1: as it sounds, but she was in a weird spot

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Speaker 1: on the ground, the dog jumped off the bed, YadA, YadA, yadda.

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Speaker 1: She did think that the ankle was fine for the

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Speaker 1: longest time, went to soccer practice. That was just a

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Speaker 1: continual like pain and it wouldn't go away. So he

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Speaker 1: finally checked it out there like, oh yeah, broken broad

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Speaker 1: It's like, what Okay, So anyway, so my daughter's down

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Speaker 1: with sports for a little bit, but my son had

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Speaker 1: two soccer games three basketball games. By the way, fun

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Speaker 1: sighting at an au basketball tournament. How's this one? Rob

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Speaker 1: G Brandon Jennings Remember that name? Mr Double Nickel? Right? Yes,

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Speaker 1: he could get buckets. He also I think he had

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Speaker 1: something tattered on the on his back. It might have

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Speaker 1: been young money or something like that. He he was

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Speaker 1: an awesome guard. He showed up at my son's tournament.

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Speaker 1: I guess he's coaching like eight on her team, and

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Speaker 1: I mean people are taking pictures with him. I didn't

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Speaker 1: quite think it was that big of a deal. Also,

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Speaker 1: I got recognized too, by the way, by a couple

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Speaker 1: of fans. I had to toss that in there. It's

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Speaker 1: always funny when I'm sitting with dad's from my son's

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Speaker 1: team and guys walk by and they like do the

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Speaker 1: double take, and they're like, hey, I know you from somewhere,

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Speaker 1: and I just kind of shrugged my shoulders like oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who knows, and the dad's kind of

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Speaker 1: said that outlandish stuff about Russell Westbrook and I'm just kidding,

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Speaker 1: all right, But the weekends in the books and folks listen,

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Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs have been pretty hot fire. I think

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Speaker 1: we can all agree. Sunday's games, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say I let down Warriors Nuggets was kind of fun, right. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was on the losing end of that one. The

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Speaker 1: Rob G's guy Yokich, nice, uh, nice job there. I

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Speaker 1: think at thirty seven points. Miami Heat destroy the Hawks

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Speaker 1: cares about the Miami Heat. There's still like so little

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Speaker 1: interest in this team. When they wiped the floor with

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Speaker 1: Philly next round, they'll be interest. Miami starting backcourt with

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Speaker 1: let that settle in Gabe Vincent and Max Struss and

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Speaker 1: they won by thirty in a t L. Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 1: thirty six points. But the big story for the NBA

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Speaker 1: over the weekend was what on Earth is a miss?

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Speaker 1: With the Brooklyn Nets who fall down oh three to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Lebron at home, Anthony Davis at home, Kawhi

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Speaker 1: Leonard at home, Paul George at home, Kevin Durant, and

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. Honestly, that's probably six of the top fifteen

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Speaker 1: players in the league. And the Nets down oh three.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a stunner that they're down all three,

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Speaker 1: that they haven't won one freaking game yet. But all

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Speaker 1: these people, of course coming after me on social media.

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Speaker 1: You said the Nets after the trade, we're gonna win

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Speaker 1: the chipping. Yeah, I did. When they got Ben Simmons, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like okay. And then shortly thereafter, oh, Joe

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Speaker 1: And then shortly after that, yeah, Ben Simmons has a

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Speaker 1: after they do Nash dirty. He can't beat the blame. Guys.

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Speaker 1: You can't sit here and say, Steve Nash is the

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Speaker 1: rotations stop. You've never had a chance. Not When Kyrie

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Speaker 1: Irving refused to get vaccinated ruined the season. As some

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Speaker 1: The Milwaukee Bucks were coming off the championship and they

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Speaker 1: great regular season team. The Chicago Bulls were coming in hot,

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Speaker 1: to warm up. And then the Boston Celtics had kick

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Speaker 1: Brad Stevens upstairs. They had a new coach. Remember there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of issues with the new coach. Early

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Speaker 1: he was calling out the players. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: were saying, hey, is this guy? Is this guy even

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Speaker 1: hell went out the window. It was a disaster. And folks,

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Speaker 1: I think the big takeaway from this first round series

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Speaker 1: watching Kevin Durant struggle mightily, is that Kevin Durant, an

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Speaker 1: how good he was. When he went to Golden State.

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Speaker 1: The trajectory was this is an all time great player.

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Speaker 1: He basically ruined his career, leaving Steph Curry and the

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Speaker 1: That was devastating and crippling and kind of changed Durant's

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Speaker 1: He comes back, and obviously Kevin Durant is a superstar

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Speaker 1: against the Bucks in that playoff series, but Kyrie Irving

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Speaker 1: Katie's left defend with a hamstring hurting James Harden and

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant cam not cannot pull it off. They lose

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Speaker 1: And this is sad to see Kevin Durant ruined his career.

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Speaker 1: He did. This is the guy, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: is Karrick, Kevin Duran unstoppable. So much has happened in

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Speaker 1: is Mr unreliable? It's always something with this guy, whether

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Speaker 1: he cannot be counted on to be your number two.

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Speaker 1: I have been a Ben Simmons guy through and through forever.

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Speaker 1: I've stopped defending him because it has ended up so

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Speaker 1: poorly for me. Okay, Ben Simmons hasn't played a basketball

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Speaker 1: He's got the back issues. Back issues are scary. They've

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Speaker 1: still cannot shoot. This is a lost season for him.

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Speaker 1: He's now in a new franchise, this idea that he's

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Speaker 1: gonna come back and it's gonna be awesome, all right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys say so, But we're counting

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Kevin Durant can do rob to

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Speaker 1: fix his career. Does he have to leave Brooklyn? I

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Speaker 1: know what the solution is. But Kevin Durant right now,

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Speaker 1: Jason says he's in a bad place. I mean they're

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Speaker 1: When they were considered the odds on favorite to win

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Speaker 1: them their favorites win the championship. Um, quick Devil's advocate, though,

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Speaker 1: give Kevin Durant a pass because he has been terrible

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Speaker 1: in this series, especially by his standards. Ten points, ten

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Speaker 1: turnovers when guarded straight up by Jayson Tatum. Okay, only

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Speaker 1: two for five. He has seventeen baskets and thirteen turnovers.

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Speaker 1: To your point, Kyrie Irving has one good quarter through

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Speaker 1: Blake Griffin who coo can but barely get over the

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Speaker 1: Like that's how bad things were for them in Game three.

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Speaker 1: So their their rosters influx. But to your point, as

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Speaker 1: and the Clippers, they gotta be the two favorite teams

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Speaker 1: next season. I mean, it's just such a big asterix

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Speaker 1: a lot of people will be betting on his projection

422
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Speaker 1: in the NFL because literally he's one of one in

423
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: terms of athletic you know, athletic building measurables and those

424
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: types of things, thirty five and a finch arms. He

425
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: is exactly what you'd build if you're building an edge

426
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: defender in the lab. The only issue is, or one

427
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: of the pressing issues is is he hasn't performed at

428
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: the top like and Aidan Hutchinson has, or a Cavon

429
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: Tiboto or even you know George carlottis of Purdue. But

430
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: you know another reason why I think there is buzz

431
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: at number one overall, in addition to the mestables, in

432
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Speaker 1: addition to what he could be in the NFL. Is

433
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Speaker 1: this relationship Trent Bulky has with Jim Harball, Right, does

434
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: Balk you want a draft his wonder boy there at

435
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: Michigan after the You know, obviously the relationship between Harbor

436
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: and Balky isn't great. I think that's another thing that's

437
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: driving Bulky's consideration of Walker over Hutchinson. It's also like

438
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: this bet on upside right, it's a bet on, you know,

439
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: the percentage chance Trayvon Walker maybe develops into a Hall

440
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: of Famer maybe is a bit higher than Aidan Hutchinson

441
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: or Cavon tiboto surely because he has the build of

442
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: a Miles Garrett. His closest athletic comp is Miles Garrett. Now,

443
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: does he have near the production profile that Garrett had

444
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: coming out of Texas and m Absolutely not. He also

445
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 1: didn't play anywhere near the same amount of snaps at

446
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: edge that Aidan and Cavon Tibotou has. He played a

447
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: lot of head up inside the tackle alignment. He was

448
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: playing mostly on the inside on passing down. So he's

449
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: gonna play a completely different position in the NFL that

450
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: he played at Georgia and didn't even play that position

451
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: that much either, So it's interesting to see the team's

452
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: flocked to him. But it's gonna it's gonna be a bet, right,

453
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: It's a bet on Walker getting a lot better. It's

454
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: a bet on Walker playing a different position and succeeding

455
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: in it. And it could be the bet that Balky

456
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: wants to make, just knowing the relationship he has a

457
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 1: hardball and also just his bet on new measurables, right,

458
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: long arms, athletic, all that stuff. I don't know. I

459
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: was reading about Walker. He was on They put him

460
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: on special teams when he got to Georgia, right, I

461
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: mean the rotation at Georgia's deep. And you know he's

462
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: a great basketball player. So he has all these traits.

463
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: But if you haven't delivered at all, should you really

464
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: go number one? What is your gut telling you here?

465
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: A few days before the draft, I would take either

466
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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson or Cavon Thibodeau at number one overall World

467
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: War Trayvon Walker, That's what I would do. However, I

468
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: do think that there's legitimate smoke and possibly fire here

469
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: that the Jacksonville Jaguars are instant in Trayvon Walker because

470
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: something that doesn't get brought up a tongue with Walker

471
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: two is the work ethic, Like he has a high

472
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: character kid. He's talked to one of our analysts here

473
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: at PFF, Trevor sick him a multiple times, and every

474
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: single time you come away with the interview from Trayvon

475
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: Walker's the guy that's willing to do whatever it takes

476
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: to be successful. He just hasn't played a lot of football, right,

477
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: He has not played the same amount of football the

478
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: Aiden has or cavan has, And that upward trajectory is

479
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: something to bet on. What I bet on it at

480
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: one overall when there are other really talented, highly athletic

481
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: players like Aiden and Cavon at the top. Probably not,

482
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 1: but it also speaks to just this class in general,

483
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: right and tier one for me, the edge defenders go

484
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, Cavon, Thibodeaux, then Walker, than George CARLOTTASO Purdue

485
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: all in that same tier. There's not these massive gaps

486
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: in this draft class at edge and wide receiver. So

487
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: it is gonna be kind of a pick your flavor

488
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: what you want to bet on and Honestly, if you're

489
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: coaching staff there and Jacksonvill says we can get the

490
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: maximum potential out of Trayvon Walker, I think you're smart

491
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: to make that bet so interesting. You have Karl Left,

492
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: is there? A lot of other mocks have Jermaine Johnson,

493
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: the kid at FSU. Now he's a little bit on

494
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: the older side. I had a guest on last week,

495
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: Tony Pauline, who didn't seem to think the age mattered

496
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: as much. I don't know, twenty three years old. Car

497
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: Left is obviously a veteran and he says all the

498
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: right things. The work ethic is there, But is that

499
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: a big decision for you? You know, age isn't as

500
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: big of a concern with Johnson as much as his

501
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: production profile is. Like he did not you know, people

502
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: talk about Trayvon Walker not producing at Georgia. Jermaine Johnson

503
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: didn't either, And people immediately look at the sack production

504
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: and how that you know, that's such a limited percent

505
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: of plays, right, People like, oh, eight sacks, nine sacks,

506
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: that's nine of the eight hundred snaps he played. And

507
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: when you look at looking at Pro Football Focus numbers,

508
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a high passress win rate, and he

509
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: had to transfer from Georgia to Florida State to play right.

510
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: He was behind Trayvon Walker and and all these guys.

511
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: They're playing at Georgia, and even when he played at

512
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Speaker 1: Florida State, his pressure rates are not among the best

513
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Speaker 1: of this class. I don't see him as a Tier

514
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Speaker 1: one edge and I'm honestly shocked that he's like a

515
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: near lock to go in the top ten right now.

516
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: I think Draft Kings has his profit nine and a half,

517
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: so we're Jermaine. He has risen in this class, good

518
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: athletic profile, and dominated at the Senior Bowl. I think

519
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: he was the best prospect there now two days at

520
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and good athlete. This is um. That's

521
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: not enough for me to put him in the top

522
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: end knowing his production profile. But I still can see

523
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: why he's rising up towards age. Not a bit concerned.

524
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: But when I bring up age in draft evaluation, it's

525
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: not so much. Oh man, I want to draft a

526
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: player who's twenty four years old, he's you know, he's

527
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: passed his curve or whatever. It's more of that, how

528
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: are you twenty three years old at Florida State? Not

529
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: absolutely dominating against nineteen twenty year old kids like you

530
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: are past your maturity prime, like you're developed when you

531
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: compare to other prospects in this class, like Tyler Smith

532
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: of Tulsa. He played all last year at twenty years

533
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: old and it was dominant, dominant in the group of five.

534
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: So I do think that's where age comes up for me. Interesting. Um,

535
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: let's go to cornerback real quick. I saw you had

536
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: put this tweet out on Sunday, and this is the

537
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: kind of stuff you guys get at PF that you

538
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: just don't see this at ESPN in other places. Top

539
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: three coverages by snaps played for cornerbacks Stingley in the

540
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: cover one, quarters, cover three, Sauce Gardener and Trent McDuffie.

541
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, Austin, based on what you see in

542
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: the NFL, how is there even a Stingley Gardner discussion

543
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: or is it not. No, there's definitely a Stingley Gardner discussion.

544
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: I personally feel that Stingley is the number one cornerback

545
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: in this class and I don't see Gardner as that.

546
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: But they're both the tier one and I think the

547
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: reason why I think Stingley and Gardner go off the

548
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: board in the first seven picks. Is because I don't

549
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: think this cornerback class is particularly deep. Like I, I

550
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: do think that the Giants are gonna come away out

551
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: of their five and seven picks in this draft with

552
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: one of those guys. It's either gonna be Gardner sting

553
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: like guarantee, especially with how I think the edge class

554
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: is going to fall to them. I think Aid and

555
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: Traymont Walker, these guys are gonna come off the board

556
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: before the Giants even picking at five. So with Stingley,

557
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: why I see him as the number one player? Go

558
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: back to his pro day. This guy has not trained

559
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: a time, he's recovering from injury and effortlessly jumps thirty

560
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: eight inches his broad jump in the nine percent own.

561
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like he's using proper technique. This guy

562
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: is such a seamless athlete and did something you bring

563
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: up age at eighteen years old, true freshman in the

564
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Speaker 1: SEC in twenty nineteen. I don't think we'll ever see again,

565
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Speaker 1: Like I do not think what Darry Stingley did as

566
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Speaker 1: a true AHM A L s U we will ever

567
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: see again. I'm betting on that trajectory. And as for Gardner,

568
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: another really good tier one corner. They're right up there

569
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: in the top ten among players in this flastroom. Et

570
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: Gardner is exactly how you build a press corner in

571
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: the NFL. And he has that experience you bring up

572
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: that tweet. Plays a ton of Cover one, a ton

573
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: of Cover three, and he plays press the whole way

574
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: through Nick Saban, where the best coaches of all time

575
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: put a game plan together to make sure Gardner could

576
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: not play press. A lot of bunch a lot of

577
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: your trips on one side, and that forced him in

578
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: the off zone coverages and allow them to matriculate down

579
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: the football field. They did not want to throw at

580
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: Gardner in press coverage. And when you dictate what Saban

581
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: wants to do, that's obviously high praise. So I'm a

582
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Jets fan. Robert Salah from the Niners comes over, brings

583
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: his defense. It's great. Doesn't have any good cornerbacks they

584
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: get towards last year. Do you think Sauce Gardner fits

585
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: what they want to do defensively? Press coverage, cover one,

586
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: cover three, because I think this is the slam. Don't

587
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: pick for the Jets at four. Otherwise he's gonna be gone.

588
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, for a while it was like, oh, maybe

589
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: they'll get a tend There's no chance of that. Now.

590
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: My question is a lot of the draft people when

591
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I put this on social media that no, no chance

592
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: they're not going there. They're not doing that. They need

593
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: an ad dresher. What are your thoughts on Gardner at

594
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: four to the Jets? I have two fasts there. One.

595
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: I do think it's a fit for what Solom wants

596
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: to do on defense. But I know Sala and the

597
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: Jets do not prioritize cornerback that highly in terms of

598
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: positional value, right Like, it's not a position that they

599
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: see is you know, they want to attack the trenches.

600
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: In the top five, it's offen to tackle its edge

601
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: and if not, its quarterback and too. I think Sauce

602
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: Gardners off the board by four. I think the Houstons.

603
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: I think the Houston Texans or the Detroit Lions are

604
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: going to take Sauce Gardner. There are multiple teams, multiple

605
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: evaluators I've talked to that see him as the number

606
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: one player in this class. If Aidan Hudginson does go one,

607
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: do not rule out Gardner going to the Lions. And

608
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: then what happens that wanted to I think Gardner goes

609
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: to Houston. Wait, Austin didn't. The Lions just draft the

610
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: kid out of Ohio State. His name escapes me. He's

611
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: loved him coming out. He's been in Jurdy, didn't add

612
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: a brutal I think PFF said he was like the

613
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: worst cornerback in the league as a rookie. He was brutal.

614
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: And then he gets hurt. They're not taking another one

615
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: in the top four? No chance, right? I think there's

616
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: a chance, man, I really do. He's a Detroit, Michigan native,

617
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: that's one of the most productive cornerbacks in this class.

618
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: And he's done it for three years straight at Cincinnati.

619
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: And I don't think you know as much as like

620
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, we look at oh Man,

621
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: Detroit already took a corner and it failed. A lot

622
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: of teams don't think that way, right, And this is

623
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: a new regime with Dan Campbell and all that kind

624
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: of stuff, So I don't necessarily think they're gonna rule

625
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: it out just because of a Kuda. And you talked

626
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: to a lot of people in the building. They're still

627
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: hope that Acuda bounces back, he's obviously suffered injuries and

628
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. I think Gardner is going

629
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: to be in consideration for the Detroit lines at number

630
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: two overall. Now, of course they're still gonna consider a

631
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: Camon Thibodeau off Aidan Hutchinson there is it too. I

632
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: think that will be a priority. But I don't think

633
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Speaker 1: you should rule out Gardner it to or even Gardner

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Speaker 1: at three to Houston Texans. Yeah, I'm trying. I when

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Speaker 1: I do my mox, I try to get in the

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Speaker 1: mind of the GMS, and I think the guy um

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Speaker 1: making the pick. Obviously it's not gonna be Dan Campbell,

638
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Speaker 1: but you know he comes over from the Rams. What

639
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Speaker 1: of the Rams prioritize just trenches, trenches, trenches, especially defensively.

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Speaker 1: And I look at Detroit, I'm like, yeah, they pressure

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00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: rates are not great. They're gonna definitely go somewhere on

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Speaker 1: the defensive line at the top of the drafting, right,

643
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Speaker 1: doesn't that kind of feel the need for Detroit? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think so. I know that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in the building really like the Aquara brothers though they

646
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: both have Julian and Romeo Acara there, and I think

647
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: they want to see them have you take the field

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Speaker 1: this year. That's not going to keep them from taking

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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson if he's there, but it could make it

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Speaker 1: a consideration if Hodg goes one and there's Thibodeau and

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Speaker 1: Gardner on the board. I do think it's more of

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Speaker 1: a conversation than people think, and it's I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: from Detroit and that's a part of it. You know,

654
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, Aidan Hutchinson, it to keep him in Michigan,

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00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: you have to do it. There's another player in this

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Speaker 1: class that is from Michigan. I'm sure teams you know,

657
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Speaker 1: obviously the Detroit lines would like to have in the uniform.

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Speaker 1: So I think Gardner is definitely in the conversation. Would

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Speaker 1: they lean edge possibly when it's all said done. I

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Speaker 1: think right now Cavon Stibodeau is the betting favorite to

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Speaker 1: be the number two overall pick. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: it should be out of the conversation right And as

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Speaker 1: for Houston, Houston is sitting there at three with needs

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Speaker 1: at every single position, and if they don't want to

665
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Speaker 1: go offensive tackle, knowing that they have Larry Tunsel and him,

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: they are not making him available via trade. Maybe they

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00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: do prioritize a position group in this class that's so shallow,

668
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Speaker 1: like after Stingley and Gardner, I don't love McDuffie in

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Speaker 1: that same tier. I don't love kyer Elam or Andrew

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Speaker 1: Booth in that same tier. I really do think it's

671
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Speaker 1: those two and then they pay a pretty big drop

672
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Speaker 1: off to the next group. Well that for me not

673
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Speaker 1: to bring it back to the Jets, but you know,

674
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Speaker 1: like they pick up Read in free agency from Seattle

675
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Speaker 1: and he's definitely not a one, he's a two. You

676
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Speaker 1: don't have a one in the building. There's none available

677
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Speaker 1: in free agency. If you don't get Gardener that it's

678
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Speaker 1: a shallow class at quarterback, you're gonna get lit up again.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Not to make it all about what's

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Speaker 1: your team? By the way, do you have a team

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Speaker 1: that you're like a favorite that you follow for a

682
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, I'm from Oakland, California, so I'm a

683
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Speaker 1: big Raiders stand interesting alright, Well, Raiders are on on

684
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: the uptick for sure. They've kind of crushed the draft.

685
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Speaker 1: But give it Davante Adams. They don't have any picks here,

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Speaker 1: all right. The other guy I want to go back

687
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: to Thibodeaux, how do you decipher e fact from fiction?

688
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: With all this he doesn't love football, look at all

689
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: these outside interests and all this nonsense. I usually chalk

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Speaker 1: it up as nothing, but recently I I did drop

691
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Speaker 1: him a little bit in the mock draft. When you

692
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Speaker 1: look at some of the odds and how they've shifted

693
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on Cavan, I think a lot of this

694
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Speaker 1: stuff is ridiculous, like absolutely ridiculous. I mean it's media driven,

695
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: and if it's not media driven, it's being driven by teams.

696
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I want him to fall to their pick, honestly. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Thibodeau off the field, you know,

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Speaker 1: mentality and personality is actually pushing him off boards. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason he's the betting favorite to go number two overall. Right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are higher on Cavon

701
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Speaker 1: Tibodau than say the media has done. Excellent work has

702
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Speaker 1: been done on Cavon Thibodeau. The Ringers Kalin Jones has

703
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Speaker 1: written written two features on Thibodeau that detail that Sports Illustrated.

704
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Great Bishop just wrote a fantastic feature on actually what's

705
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Speaker 1: going on with Cavon Thibodeau. What's intimidating about him because

706
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Speaker 1: he has a plan and he has a mindset to

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Speaker 1: maximize's value of maximize's brand. Now to the defensive coordinators

708
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Speaker 1: like DMPs who are like ridicule people who use computers. Yeah,

709
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna be intimidating, right, But like a lot of

710
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: like new age coaches, new aged deventure coordinators will completely

711
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: wholesale understanding. Like compare him to Aidan Hutchinson. I did

712
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: a podcast with Aidan Hutchinson. This guy's thrown out the

713
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: first pitch of the Detroit Tigers game, like they can

714
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: have off field interests. I honestly think that this is

715
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: such a media driven disaster that Cavon Thibodeau is right

716
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: to feel a little bit criticized wrongfully. And I think

717
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: he's had some of those conversations in his press conference

718
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Speaker 1: at the Combine and some of the future work that's

719
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Speaker 1: been done on him. I think he should be in

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Speaker 1: consideration at one honestly, like the jack Jaguars should not

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Speaker 1: be ruling out Cavon Thibodeau. I know Balky recently said

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Speaker 1: it's between four players. I think Tibodau should be in

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Speaker 1: that discussion um and the draft odds are weird because

724
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Speaker 1: you know, somebody will say something, whether it's someone in

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Speaker 1: a major network or they'll be draft buzz that's leaked out,

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00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: and the odds will shift. Now that the betting limits

727
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: are very low, so it's not like they're taking you know,

728
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Speaker 1: ten bets on on you know, going number two in

729
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Speaker 1: the draft. But it's weird because when the negative stuff

730
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: leaks out, it's anonymous, right, but when the profiles come out,

731
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Speaker 1: those are I'm pretty sure planted right by the agent. Ay,

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00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: let's go to sports rad let's go to the ringer.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? I think so. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's not it's not uncommon

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Speaker 1: for negative discourse to be from unnamed a f C

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Speaker 1: executives and unnamed sources within the league. And I also

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Speaker 1: think for Timbotau specifically, like people have brought up that

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Speaker 1: he has his own cryptocurrency, for people brought up that

739
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: he has his own discord channel and all this stuff,

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00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: like throw that out the window. The worst thing on

741
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: Timboreau is people say effort concerns. Like everyone who's saying that,

742
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: like showing me the plays, showing me the player is

743
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: give me the time stamps and put your name to that,

744
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: because I don't see it. I don't see it. I

745
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: watched every single play. I don't see the effort concerns.

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00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: I think those are bs and again, only people touting

747
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: those are unnamed sources. I think there needs to be

748
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Speaker 1: more accountability in this process, like the pre draft process

749
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: has gotten to the point where we're willing to take

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Speaker 1: a quote from any unnamed e f C South coach

751
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: to a point where it's just like driving me crazy.

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756
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: bullish on trail on Burks uh throughout the process, but again,

757
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: we had a guest last week who kind of is

758
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: really really doubt on Burks and you know there's other

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00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: scuttle but that he may drop out of the first round. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is misinformation in hopes that

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Speaker 1: you know Brooks falls to X team. You know, Jerry

762
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: Jones love in Arkansas guy, whatever, But where are you

763
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Speaker 1: on Burks right now? I am mower on Burks than

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Speaker 1: probably the media consensus. I think the consensus has him

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Speaker 1: around a top twenty player. I see him more in

766
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: like that thirty to forty range, but don't see him

767
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: falling out of the first round. He's six ft two

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Speaker 1: to twenty five and a true to twenty five. I

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00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: talked to him earlier in the year. He's been up

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Speaker 1: to five. He said people were making jokes at him

771
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: in the locker room, saying he guy drops some way,

772
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: and he did, like, this is not This is a

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Speaker 1: guy that's actually really well built, really explosive, and has

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Speaker 1: one of the best flying twenties in the in this

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Speaker 1: draft class. And the flying twenties important when you talk

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: about long speed and him creating separation on these longer

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00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: routes that we've seen, you know, that big go route

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00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: he has against Texas and m and all that kind

779
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. The concerns I have with Burke's are usage.

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Speaker 1: And I talked to his head coach, Samp Pittman there

781
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: at Arkansas, and he says his best role is the slot.

782
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: Put him in the slot and let him eat the

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00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: short and intermediate levels of the football field and let

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: him make plays after catch. You put him on the

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00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: outside limited route tree. His three cone is one of

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00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: the one of the worst in the class. Like, you're

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00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: not gonna ask him to run the full rout Tree

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00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: is an X or Z receiver. Put him in the slot,

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00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: let him play the power slot role, and let him

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00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: eat you know, after the catch. I mean for his

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Speaker 1: receptions came within nine yards of the line of scrimmage

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00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: over his career. Because he's so good with the ball

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00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: in his hands, I think you can leverage him that way.

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Speaker 1: Teams that want him to be this true Alpha one.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've seen comparisons to Deebo Samuel in

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Speaker 1: the battle like that's just to throw those out the window.

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00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: I think his best usage in the NFL will be

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Speaker 1: in the slot. That doesn't mean you can't leverage him

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Speaker 1: on the outside. When Pittman, you know, Pittman told me,

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Speaker 1: He's like, if we saw press coverage, we were calling

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Speaker 1: it go and we're throwing the trailing Burk's And if

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00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: we didn't see press coverage and he was on the outside,

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00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: he was running slant. It was very simple game. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's how Team shoul view him. It's a

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00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: guy that has a very specific skill set with a

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Speaker 1: desirable frame and desirable athleticism, and if that's a rule

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Speaker 1: in your offense, you probably take him in the five range. Interesting,

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00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: So if you don't like any of the deebo Samuel

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00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: comes and they're a little ridiculous, but frame wise, even

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of you could see some Maybe if

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Speaker 1: you squinted, you could see a little bit of debo,

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Speaker 1: but it's not deepo. Who who do you like? In

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Speaker 1: in accompt for Brooks this might be a death knell,

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Speaker 1: But I do see a lot of comparisons to Labisco

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Speaker 1: Schnell Jr. Who I know has not had a lot

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Speaker 1: of success in Jacksonville, but very similar frame, very similar

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Speaker 1: skill set, and that Labiscuit Schnell Junior Colorado ugly rout tree,

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Speaker 1: unpolished in that regard, but when you get the ball

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Speaker 1: in his hands, he was fantastic. And I do think

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Speaker 1: that Jacksonville has somewhat misused him in the disaster that

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Speaker 1: was ran Meyer. And I think now with trailing Burkes,

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Speaker 1: you put him in the slot and you let him work,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's a better outside receiver than what

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Speaker 1: Labisco was coming out more polished, could beat pressed a

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Speaker 1: little bit better, a little bit of a better frame,

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Speaker 1: bigger hands, all that stuff. I still think, however, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be his best usage. Use him in the slot,

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Speaker 1: target him at behind the line of scrimmage, and let

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Speaker 1: him work after the catch. And if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: dominant outside receivers in this class, that's your Gay Wilson,

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Speaker 1: that's your Chris Olby. Those are guys that can actually

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Speaker 1: win from the excellent z that are running the full

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Speaker 1: rout tree, right, Jamison Williams, I hold in that regard

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Speaker 1: as well. Um, Drake London, you did not mention. I

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Speaker 1: know someone out here who works with me, a Fox

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Speaker 1: who's working with London out here at U C l

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Speaker 1: A and raving about Drake London is amazing. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, you see some of the numbers like he's

839
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Speaker 1: great at contested catches, but can he get separation? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Is that why he's contested all these contested catches and

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Speaker 1: can he make those? You know in the PAC twelve

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00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: versus in the NFL, worry on Drake London. So Drake

843
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: London for me. You bring up comparisons. I honestly think

844
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: the best comparison from a usage and stylistic comp perspective

845
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: is Michael Thomas. He's a bigger than Michael Thomas. Like,

846
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: get wow, Michael Thomas is not a vertical threat receiver.

847
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: He's not a guy you line up on the outside

848
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: for his routes and you push him down the field.

849
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas plays roughly half of his snaps in the slot,

850
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: and his best routes are what the intermediate route tree,

851
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: the slants, the stuff underneath the crossers. And that's where

852
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Drake London had so much success at USC. He played

853
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: in the slot on his route until his last year.

854
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Talked to his head coach, Clay Hilton before he got

855
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: fired there at USC, and he said, I'm moving to

856
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: the outside because he wants to, but his best role

857
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: is the slot, and I think that's another guy like

858
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: he's not that demp similar to Burkes, and that you're

859
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: not gonna ask him to win down the football field.

860
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: People who make comparisons to Mike Evans are simply not

861
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: turning on the tape. He wants to win in the

862
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: nine to fifteen yard range. He's not going to be

863
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: a guy that wins the gold ball and wins the

864
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: street because he doesn't have the top speed. There is

865
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: a reason he is not testing before the draft, right.

866
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: I think he's a very similar athletically to Michael Thomas

867
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: and should be used very similar to what Michael Thomas

868
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: and how he was used at in New Orleans. And

869
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: I think it's because he dominates at the short intermediate level,

870
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: uses his frame so well, catches everything you throw his way,

871
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: and can actually break tackles and make plays after the catch.

872
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: I think teams that covet that skill set and already

873
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: have burners on the outside, we'll look at London. That's

874
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: why I think the Jets are a good landing spot

875
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: for him, because not at ten. Maybe not at ten,

876
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: but I do think the Jets are a good landing

877
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: spot for him. Not the Chargers, right, Not the Saints.

878
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: I think that might be a bit redundant in their offense.

879
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: But teams that already have speed and are looking for

880
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: sure handedness, yak ability and bigger size to the red zone.

881
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: I think that's where London ends up. Interesting you say

882
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: the Jets, I I'm obsessed with getting Garrett Wilson in

883
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: their attend I think he makes all this sense of

884
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: the world. You know, Jets have Barrios, they got Alijah

885
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: more neither of those guys are outside. I think Corey

886
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: Davis is a good two. Do you think Garrett Wilson

887
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: could be a one? I think so. I like Garrett

888
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: Wilson a lot. I think he is Emmanuel Sanders to me,

889
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: that's the cop I half. I think in his in

890
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: his peak, I think he can be Emmanuel Sanders. The

891
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: reason you have concerns with Wilson is the frame, right,

892
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: and he work off press. I think he did that

893
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: an okay job at that Attle House state, But he's

894
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: gotta clean up his feet. He's got what I call

895
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: an efficient feet, right. He dances too much, He'll he'll

896
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: throw some foot fire and freelance more than maybe a

897
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: crystal lab will. And you clean that up, and he's

898
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: gonna be more efficient as a route runner. He's gonna

899
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: create more effortless separation. Right now. He's kind of got

900
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: the judy feet, you know, where you're just doing so

901
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: much at the stem and doing so much at the

902
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: release that off in times because he's so dynamic and

903
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: so quick, it works, but in the NFL you'll get

904
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: caught up with that foot fire, right sometimes that'll eat up.

905
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: So I do think that he's gonna get a lot

906
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: better in the NFL. I think a Lave. I'm a

907
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: huge fan of Alave, but Wilson also a top five

908
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: receiver for me. All Right, we'll wrap up with the

909
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and Austin. I think this part of the reason

910
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: that there's not as much juice around this draft is

911
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: the quarter the lack of quarterbacks. It's like Malik Willis

912
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: played at Liberty. Everybody thinks he's still at least a

913
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: year away from competing, and then after that it's like,

914
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: who do you like, Like Matt Corral Can he Pickett?

915
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Who's a one year wonder? I don't know. Man, Can

916
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: you talk yourself into a quarterback going in the top ten? No?

917
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think right now Malik Willis

918
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: is minus one thirty to go outside the top ten.

919
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: Like I think it's likely he falls outside the top ten.

920
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: And if he does, you know, one of the trades

921
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: I foresee happening is if he falls outside the top ten,

922
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers will be on the phone looking

923
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: at Washington to come up to eleven, looking at Minnesota

924
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: to come up to twelve. They are gonna look to

925
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: come up if he falls outside the top ten. If

926
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: they don't want to trade into the top ten, that's

927
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: gonna cost too much. It's gonna cost tuote your first rounders.

928
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: If he falls outside, you can get away with just

929
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: trading that twentieth pick and maybe a second and the third.

930
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: To wait a second, Why is the difference like again,

931
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Jets at ten Washington and eleven. Why why is there

932
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: so much more draft capital at ten verses eleven? I

933
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: guess that if the Jets are looking to trade down

934
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: tens okay, nine, it starts to just get Richard Richard.

935
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: As you get into the top ten, when you look

936
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: at the trade value charts and all that stuff, I

937
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: think the pick value for eleven is twelve fifty, the

938
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: pick value for twenties eight fifty. If they trade their

939
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: second rounder at fifty two, that gets them in the ballpark.

940
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Then you add in a future third, and I think

941
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: that's enough to go up to eleven, and then it

942
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: just gets easier and easier as you go down. I

943
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: think trading inside the top ten, especially as teams know

944
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: you're coming up for a quarterback, sometimes they could ask

945
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: for a king's ransom. We've seen that with Pittsburgh going

946
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: up for trade Lance last year, trade two, future first

947
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Steelers like Leak Wills a lot.

948
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: They have not made that a secret, right, and I

949
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: think if he falls outside the top ten, they'll go

950
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: get them. And to speak to this quarterback class as

951
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: a whole. And you mentioned why this draft is maybe

952
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: a little bit lower, I think the biggest reason is

953
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: not just quarterback, but so many of the priority positions.

954
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: There isn't a consensus one a guy that's gonna change

955
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: a franchise, right, There's no consensus wide receiver one. Some

956
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: people like London, some people like Willis or Wilson, some

957
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: people like James Williams. There's not even a consensus edge one.

958
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: Some people like Hutch some people like Walker. And then

959
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: you look at off into tackle is it crosses the

960
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: kwando and then quarterback. No one knows what they're gonna do, right,

961
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: People like Willis, people like Picking. I like Howell a lot,

962
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: I like rit Or two. And you you like how Well,

963
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: So you're the one. Huh, you like Sam Howell. So

964
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: Sam Howell was the most Now I don't hate him,

965
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: just to be Sam how was the most accurate quarterback

966
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: in all college football when of the highest graded as

967
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: well at Damy Brown, dask Newsom, Javante Williams, Michael Carter

968
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: in an offense that really leaned into his arm and

969
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: and it was the vertical passing offense where he had

970
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot of success. He loses all four of those players.

971
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: They change the offense entirely runs R poscent of his offense,

972
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: and he leads the Power five and broken tackles up

973
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. He's rare. I don't know why he's

974
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: getting doubted. I don't think the gap between him and

975
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: Willis is that vast. If you like Willis in the

976
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: top ten, you should be looking at Sam Howe in

977
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: round two because I do think that there's a lot

978
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: of value there now for quarterback. I like Willis, I

979
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: like Ritter. I think it's not an underwhelming class. It's

980
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: an unpolished class. They all have tools, they all have

981
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: traits that you can bet on, but Willis still needs

982
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: to work as a processor. He's also wildly inaccurate. Howell

983
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: very similar Ritter, probably the best processor in this class.

984
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: Wildly inaccurate, also very thin frame. Can you Pickett most

985
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: accurate quarterback in this class doesn't have the arm talent

986
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: you also have to have concerns with the ball security

987
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: as the ball gets bigger in the NFL, with the

988
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: hand size stuff. Um, could we go back to Howell

989
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: for sex? So he he was talked about a ton

990
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: during um, you know, last season obviously when he was good,

991
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: not this past season, but two seasons ago, and in

992
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: the off season, Oh could you go number one? You know?

993
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: And then now there's really zero buzz about him. It's

994
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: all on the Desmond Ritter and Willis Is this by design?

995
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance that there's a couple

996
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: of teams that love how will and they just don't

997
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: want other people on the scent, and maybe that's why

998
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: Howell is not getting the buzz. I think there's a chance, right.

999
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: I also think that it's purposeful that he's not getting

1000
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: talked about a ton And the little media I've seen

1001
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: about him, it comes again from these unnamed sources saying

1002
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: he's not an alpha and doesn't command to huddle or

1003
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: some stuff like that that I just disagree with. I

1004
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: think that stuff coming from unnamed sources, all that stuff.

1005
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: The reason I think he's getting down is just to

1006
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: drop off from one and it's like, oh, can he

1007
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: only work, you know, when the supporting cast is ideal.

1008
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: But what people aren't doing enough of is looking at

1009
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: how well he's still performed in one which was like

1010
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: objectively one of the worst North Carolina offensive lines we've

1011
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: seen in a long time, a bad receiving corps with

1012
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: a ton of inexperience, and both they're starting running backs gone,

1013
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: and he's still again grated. Okay, you saw some of

1014
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: the high end throws on his tape. The accuracy was

1015
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: more concerning last year than it was in But still

1016
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: I still think, you know, in a in a class

1017
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: where you're betting on trades, really good arm, solid athleticism,

1018
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: could break tackles. And he's literally like the same size

1019
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: of the leak Willis, like six ft to Twente. Like

1020
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: he's like a very similar bill to Willis. Is not

1021
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: the athlete that Willis is, obviously, but he's also got

1022
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: a pretty good arm. It's not Willis's arm, but it's

1023
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: good enough. I feel like every year we do this, like, oh,

1024
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: next year's quarterbacks are gonna be ridiculous. Oh, it's so

1025
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: load at the top, and it's right now it's you know,

1026
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: Bryce Young and the kid from ohiou State. Everybody loves them. Everyone.

1027
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: Do you think that we'll see somebody bubble up and

1028
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: those two one of those two guys are both drop

1029
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. Again, this is a year in advance.

1030
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: Put any thoughts on that. I am here. I'm really

1031
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: big on on Stroud, the c J. Stroud, the House

1032
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: State kid, and then also Bryce Young. If Bryce Young

1033
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: is gonna fall, it's because he's tiny, like really small.

1034
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: He's really short, and that'll show up. C J. Stroud

1035
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: was not super accurate the start of this year, but

1036
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: I thought he developed over the course. And the other

1037
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: player that I really liked that I think it's gonna

1038
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: be in the conversation with those top three is the

1039
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: Kentucky qube will Levis has a really good arm, really

1040
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: good processor. I think this next year's quarterback class is

1041
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: better than this year's and even last year when we

1042
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: were talking about Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson, I said

1043
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: before that draft, next year's quarterback class stinks like there's

1044
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: not a lot of talent he's got, Like there's only

1045
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: guys who are even considering is probably Spencer Rattler, and

1046
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Spence Rattler fell off a cliff, so I was. I

1047
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: was not preaching that next year's quarterback class is gonna

1048
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: be good. And now we're in it, right, and now

1049
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: we're not. We might not see more than two guys

1050
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: come off the board in the first round. Yeah, it's

1051
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: funny you mentioned Rattler. I totally had forgotten about him.

1052
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Speaker 1: He was supposed to be can't missed. Now I think

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Speaker 1: he's transferred. I don't even know if the down my

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Speaker 1: head where he transferred to South Carolina. South Carolina, that's right.

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Speaker 1: The other one was again, some of these the quarterback coaches,

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Speaker 1: it's like a cottage industry out here in l A.

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Speaker 1: And I know a guy who was working with J. T.

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Speaker 1: Daniels and he kept telling me, Jason, j T. Daniels

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Speaker 1: is going to crush He's gonna be so dominant. This

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Speaker 1: guy's gonna be in the mix for the number one

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Speaker 1: pick next year. J D. Daniels did not see the field. Really,

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Speaker 1: he got hurt, then he got upstaged, and now he

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Speaker 1: transferred again, did he not? Yeah, West Virginia. Like it's

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Speaker 1: the most difficult position by a mile to predict, even

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Speaker 1: if you're working with these guys, right, No, And I

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Speaker 1: think that I talked to a lot of I think

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Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer does some of that, right, Jordan Palmer does

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Speaker 1: a lot of that. Yet you talked to those guys

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Speaker 1: in like every quarterback day coach is gonna be awesome

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Speaker 1: to anything. And I don't think that's no slight towards Palmer.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just you're you are working with legitimate talents.

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Speaker 1: It's about putting it all together. And with Rattler, he

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Speaker 1: was the favorite to be the nomb one overall pick,

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Speaker 1: you know, before the season started and obviously fell off

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff happened in Oklahoma with Kyle Williams,

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Speaker 1: like a Riley, etcetera. I do think it's a difficult

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Speaker 1: position to project uh in terms of having like success.

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Speaker 1: And then you never want to be early on a quarterback, right.

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Speaker 1: But you know, even going back to j C. Daniels

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Speaker 1: really inaccurate this season, before he was getting hyped up,

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Speaker 1: PFF was high, not high on him at all, and

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Speaker 1: you saw that kind of like play its course, but

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Speaker 1: when I didn't see coming as Rattler. But you even

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Speaker 1: go back to the first few games of last year,

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Speaker 1: the same concerns were on his tape. He just freelances

1086
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Speaker 1: too much. And you know, arm talents there, the accuracy

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Speaker 1: is there, but he's just doesn't he just doesn't do

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Speaker 1: the things you need him to do inside a structure.

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Speaker 1: And that's a big reason why Lincoln Riley was frustrated

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Speaker 1: with him and why he got bench like And I

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Speaker 1: think in South Carolina Shane Biemer, one of my favorite,

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Speaker 1: you know, young and up and coming coaches in the

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Speaker 1: in college football, hopefully can put him in a position

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Speaker 1: where he's throwing inside of structure, reading concepts one to

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Speaker 1: two and not just like bailing out of the pocket

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Speaker 1: and trying to freelance this stuff out. I would agree totally.

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Speaker 1: And do you think we'll wrap up on this one else?

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Speaker 1: Do you think the N I L stuff gets in

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Speaker 1: these kids heads at all? Because you know, Rattler is

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Speaker 1: getting a ton of money, then there's the pressure on

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Speaker 1: always a favor to be the number one pick, and

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Speaker 1: then kind of broke down and did not handle all

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Speaker 1: that stuff well and now he's like, I gotta transfer.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure is N I L Is that a

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Speaker 1: factor for you at all? Do you think anyone's saying

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Speaker 1: the N I L is not a factor in this

1107
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Speaker 1: is lying or doesn't know what they're talking about. This

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Speaker 1: is one CENTI factor and for good reason. Right, You're

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of money, Like there are new pressures

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Speaker 1: on like eighteen nine, twenty year old kids, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not you know, a knock on rattler and

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Speaker 1: how he's handling some of that stuff. I think there's

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Speaker 1: other pieces of the puzzle as well, but the n

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Speaker 1: I L is definitely going to affect how kids are

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Speaker 1: approaching some of these things, right, It could give people egos.

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Speaker 1: One of the things Jim Harbaugh told me in the

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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson podcast is like one of the biggest things

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Speaker 1: you need to avoid when you get in the NFL

1119
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Speaker 1: is getting the big head and letting the money affect

1120
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Speaker 1: your ego because it'll hurt. Yeah, it'll kill you these players,

1121
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: Like it'll kill you. And I think that's now happening

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Speaker 1: to players at a much, much, much younger age and

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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to handle that stuff. And I think

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Speaker 1: since it's so new, there probably aren't coaches and aren't

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Speaker 1: people in those buildings yet that are able to support

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Speaker 1: those kids through some of those kind of new challenges. Right.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's all what Rattler happened. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's all what happened to Rattler, But it's affecting probably

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Speaker 1: every chid on different levels. Yeah. The other thing with

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Speaker 1: that is, you know these NBA guys who come out

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Speaker 1: after one year and are nineteen years old, getting that

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00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: rookie deal and a ton of money. You're on your own, right,

1133
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: like you sink or swim. You're with the team. You're

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Speaker 1: not practicing, you know, with your family. These college kids

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Speaker 1: are around other poor college kids, and all of a sudden,

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00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: they're got five dollars and it's like your offensive linemen

1137
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: have nothing. They're protecting you. It's just a weird dynamic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is early on this, don't it's gonna

1139
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: take a while, right Austin, at least a decade, it's

1140
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Speaker 1: gonna take. Yeah, with social media and phones, were now

1141
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: seeing the impact on kids, and it's like, holy cow,

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Speaker 1: this is awful for kids. Well, I'm not saying the

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Speaker 1: n is awful because I want the guy to get money,

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00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: but there's a lot to be figured out. These guys

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00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: are essentially guinea pigs, right. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's

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Speaker 1: soft either. I want to be clear that I likes

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00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: the N I L. I think the kids deserved to

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Speaker 1: maximize their value as early as they can. If they're

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00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: that valuable, they should be getting. Just because it's not awful,

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00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's gonna be easy. You know, it's gonna

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00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: be very difficult, Like it's gonna be It's difficult to

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00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: handle that much money. Even if I got handed at

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00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars today, I would struggle to see where

1154
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm spending that, right. I think it's it's a difficult

1155
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: situation in a situation that's very new, and new situations

1156
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: are obviously difficult and will take some time. I think

1157
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: teams will be smart though, to fit their coaching staffs

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00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: and and fit their administration with no financial advisors and

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Speaker 1: people that can help these kids out when they are

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Speaker 1: getting these big lump sums right and are able to

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Speaker 1: handle some of that some of that pressure and all

1162
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Speaker 1: that stuff. And I think it even goes beyond the

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Speaker 1: N I L. It's social media. It's you can see

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00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: the odds for you to throw two picks this game

1165
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: on online like you can see so much now. I've

1166
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Speaker 1: had conversations with Remember who I was talking to, It

1167
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: was the N C State running back, damn night. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, going to some of these games are like

1169
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: a forty point dog? How does that affect the locker room?

1170
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: Like what what's going on there? And it's like you

1171
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: we'd be lying if we say we didn't see it, right,

1172
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: I think we have to stop ignoring that and they

1173
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: kind of understanding it and and letting it fuel you

1174
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But there's so much

1175
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: going on with social media. Then you factor in the

1176
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: n I L. It's pressures that you know ten Fitteen

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Speaker 1: years ago is we just didn't have Yeah, all right?

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Speaker 1: He is Austin Gale. Follow him on social media. P

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Speaker 1: f F Austin Gail, Director of Content. Man, that's a

1180
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Speaker 1: pretty big title. Just keep up the good work, great

1181
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Speaker 1: stuff on the draft and now we'll talk soon. Sounds good,

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Speaker 1: Thank you,