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Speaker 3: All Right, So let's get to what we're going to

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Speaker 3: cover in the show. We're going to start with some

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Speaker 3: new American strikes on Iran. Largely these strikes are concentrated

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Speaker 3: in the straight of Horn moves. However, Iran late last

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Speaker 3: night struck back against multiple US bases, huge censorship coming

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Speaker 3: out of the region. We don't have perfect video, but

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Speaker 3: we're going to show you a little bit of what

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Speaker 3: we have. Meanwhile, the price of oil continuing to spike,

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Speaker 3: the strategic Petroleum Reserve at very very critical levels.

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Speaker 4: Platner, we're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Platina released some eleven minute long video late last night.

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Speaker 3: The bottom line for that, he's dropping out of the

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Speaker 3: race no conditions, and the main Democratic Party has a

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Speaker 3: new process. It's totally corrupt. I'll let Ryan break all

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Speaker 3: of that one down. Mitch McConnell, you might have seen this,

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Speaker 3: Scott Jennings, friend of the show. I guess you could

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Speaker 3: call it was on CNN, where previously he had tweeted

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Speaker 3: McConnell and McConnell was so sharp and they discuss world politics,

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Speaker 3: and the CNN anchor is like, Okay, call him right now.

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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I can't do that.

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Speaker 4: And that's after.

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Speaker 3: Multiple other people claim to have spoken with McConnell for

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Speaker 3: some twenty minutes, nobody else has. And his wife, who

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Speaker 3: was in China, just release his statement justifying why she

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Speaker 3: it's total madness out here. We're going to talk about Michigan,

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Speaker 3: the Michigan Democratic primary, very very fiery of Hailey Stevens

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Speaker 3: versus Abdul Elsiah.

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Speaker 1: They threw down at a debate. There's some really interesting moments.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna le Ryan really break down some of the

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Speaker 3: issue minus property tax.

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Speaker 3: I've liked the guy he's been on our show, I

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Speaker 3: mean many times over the last six years, but when

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Speaker 1: Same with war footage.

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Speaker 3: It happens all the time, many times that we would

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Speaker 3: unfortunately it's a lot of babies. Yes, they're being killed.

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Speaker 3: as Ryan said, let's go ahead and start with Iran.

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Speaker 3: We're going to put this video up here on the

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Speaker 3: was accompanied by this Sentcom statement. US Central Command has

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Speaker 3: completed an additional round of strikes against Iran to further

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Speaker 3: US forces struck approximately ninety Iranian military targets, including air

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Speaker 3: now dozens of targets struck last night, dozens of targets

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Speaker 3: at the Iranian retaliatory strikes. So here's what we seem

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Speaker 3: So according to the Iranian military, they released a they

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Speaker 3: targeted a Patriot missile system in Kuwait, an early warning

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Speaker 3: took a huge pounding. Now, remember there's some back deals

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Speaker 3: have exchanged hands, be like, hey, in the future, don't

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Speaker 1: Here's a few billion you.

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Speaker 5: Know, it's like and the only thing hit and cutter

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Speaker 5: is this early warning satellite antenna site, which is squarely

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Speaker 5: like a US military exactly like piece of material, which

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Speaker 3: Well, part of the reason why there was some there

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Speaker 3: only would you struck military sites in Iran, but a

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Speaker 3: So civilian infrastructure obviously the military can use it too,

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Speaker 3: but Iran previously has always relied on the horizontal escalation,

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Speaker 3: people still are really in this. You know, Look, we're

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Speaker 3: just in the craziest limbo of all time. We're in

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Speaker 3: a cease fire where the fire has not ceased, and

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Speaker 1: We have no peace, no war.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's like the ground where the Americans side seems

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Speaker 3: those types of things. But this is exactly the type

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Speaker 3: And Trump is now really I mean, he's right back

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Speaker 5: And yeah, he might be making the exact same mistake

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Speaker 5: which is we're going to hit him for three days

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Speaker 5: and then they're going to come back to the table

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Speaker 5: with whoever we didn't kill, and we're negotiate a better.

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Speaker 4: Deal with them instead.

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Speaker 5: They didn't listen when Iran said, no, we're going to

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Speaker 5: significantly retaliate and create a regional war. This time around,

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Speaker 5: they're saying they're going to significantly retaliate, and they're not

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Speaker 5: and they're not going.

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Speaker 4: To tolerate this like tit for tat stuff.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see if they once again live up to

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Speaker 5: their threats. But so far they have, you know, reached

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Speaker 5: significant damage across the region.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so here is Trump saying, you know, Iran is

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Speaker 3: now the number one target. We've got to finish the job.

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Speaker 3: We've got to force open the straight up our moves.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a.

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Speaker 6: Listen, everything's gone. The leaders are gone. The leaders they're gone,

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Speaker 6: and they had another set of leaders. They're gone. Now

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Speaker 6: they have another set of leaders. They may be gone,

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Speaker 6: who knows. And you know what I may be gone

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Speaker 6: to because I'm the number one target. I got to

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Speaker 5: We're setting sanctions relief for the that's which they well,

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Speaker 4: We might just live in this limbo. But it's nonetheless to.

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Speaker 3: Say, like limbo is still really bad, Like it's not

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Speaker 1: It's bad.

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Speaker 4: And we mentioned on that you can put up base seven.

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Speaker 5: When Trump said I had to reach a deal because

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Speaker 5: So he's either going to get havoc and Hoover or

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Speaker 4: Like if they're letting the ships go through.

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Speaker 3: If the ships go through and you got to pay

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Speaker 3: You don't even know where the ship ship here, there

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Speaker 5: And speaking of your populist buddy, Abdullah said, you know,

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Speaker 4: We all know that.

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Speaker 3: What we do know is that he's going to live

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Speaker 1: It's just at that three eighty gallon, it's a couple strikes.

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Speaker 3: You know, markets go down as long as AI continues

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Speaker 5: Right, And they're also they're getting hit today, yes, today,

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Speaker 4: You know, things have costs, And if we had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is kind of well, the reason I'm

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Speaker 3: out into the air. Everybody thinks it's costless. It's costless

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Speaker 3: to the cost and that the cost is being shown

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Speaker 3: in Ukraine. The cost is shown to our bases and

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Speaker 3: to basically the massive strategic humiliation failure that we took

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Speaker 3: in Iran and also in the future, like if there's

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Speaker 3: a conflict which will arise in the next two to

445
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Speaker 3: three years, it's over. It's actually over, like it will

446
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Speaker 3: really basically our stockpile will go to zero in third

447
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Speaker 3: if Iran can deplete the stockpile by forty fifty percent

448
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Speaker 3: something like that, depending on which stockpile you're looking at.

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Speaker 3: For the weapon system. In thirty seven days, what's China

450
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Speaker 3: going to do five days two? I mean, you know,

451
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Speaker 3: and you start rationing.

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Speaker 4: That's bad.

453
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Speaker 1: We start rationing. That's what happens in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: People die, right, It's a death panel, said, literally, a

455
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Speaker 3: death panel every day.

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Speaker 5: And let's finish with a little bit of fun at

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Speaker 5: the expense of our many. It's tough because like you know,

458
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Speaker 5: he's flying around the world, he's a very old man.

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Speaker 4: We can still have some fun.

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Speaker 5: Let's put put up a for the Islamic.

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Speaker 4: Republic of Japan, et cetera. A four one hundred.

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Speaker 8: I told this story yesterday.

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Speaker 6: We had one hundred and eleven missile shot by the

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Speaker 6: Islamic Republic of Japan. They were shot at the air

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Speaker 6: JC POC. What a terrible what a terrible deal. I

466
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Speaker 6: call it the Obama Nuclear waste deal because what he

467
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Speaker 6: did with that deal is he caused tremendous hardship in

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Speaker 6: the Middle East. It was a terrible, terrible Do.

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Speaker 8: You have a question for President? Do you have a

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Speaker 8: question for President? Not so much, what would you like

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Speaker 8: to ask him? Because I'm going to ask him that question.

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Speaker 1: The Islamic Republic of Japan press in putin all in two.

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Speaker 4: I like, I like his clean up.

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Speaker 5: At the end, he's like, well, if you have a question,

475
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Speaker 5: putin tell me yeah, I'll ask him right and then

476
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Speaker 5: I'll get back to you exactly.

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Speaker 4: That's what I meant.

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Speaker 1: And he also called it the j C POC.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of.

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Speaker 1: JC Joint Comprehensive People of Color.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I like that.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like some end of lace. The Islamic Republic

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Speaker 3: of Japan. The Japanese, you know that meme where they're like.

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Speaker 4: What weekend? Yeah, and Pernrito is like whoa, whoa, whoa wait,

485
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Speaker 4: what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Just like you know, and man, I love Japan so much.

487
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Speaker 3: Japanese you know, you know you did you know?

488
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Speaker 4: The Japanese lit up Tokyo Tower Red, white, and Blue

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Speaker 4: for July fourth.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that there's such great people. They little.

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Speaker 3: They did a little drone show which showed their PM

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Speaker 3: next to Trump.

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Speaker 1: They love us.

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Speaker 4: All we do is slight them. It's it's just disgusting, disgusting,

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Speaker 4: all right, let's get the Platinner.

496
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Speaker 5: Grand Platner, in an eleven minutes straight to camera video,

497
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Speaker 5: announced that he is dropping out of the main center.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to some of it.

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Speaker 9: Hey, everyone, it's Cramp Platner here. I think, as many

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Speaker 9: of you know, over the past couple of days, I

501
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Speaker 9: have faced some very serious allegations, and I just want

502
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Speaker 9: to make it clear this is all false. The things

503
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Speaker 9: that have been claimed did not happen. It's not real.

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Speaker 9: It has placed an immense amount of weight on me

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Speaker 9: as I think about what needs to happen now. I

506
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Speaker 9: just want you to think about what you would do

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Speaker 9: as a regular person in a position where a much

508
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Speaker 9: larger world, large forces were working against you personally to

509
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Speaker 9: accuse you of the worst thing that a person could do,

510
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Speaker 9: and it was not remotely true. It can't be made,

511
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Speaker 9: and for that reason, we are suspending campaign operations. This

512
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Speaker 9: is incredibly difficult because I know that some will think

513
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Speaker 9: it's an admission of guilt, and it most certainly is not.

514
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Speaker 9: We're not doing it because of the allegations. We're doing

515
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Speaker 9: it because of the structures that are being taken away

516
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Speaker 9: from us by those in power. We were asking for

517
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Speaker 9: real democracy, and we did it the right way and

518
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Speaker 9: we won. But now the ball is in the court

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Speaker 9: of the democratic establishment. My name might be on the

520
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Speaker 9: ballot right now, but that ballot line belongs to the

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Speaker 9: people of Maine Osaka.

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Speaker 5: There was also a line in there where he said,

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Speaker 5: we did it the right way, the way you're supposed

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Speaker 5: to do it.

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Speaker 4: We did it through elect the electoral system.

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Speaker 5: And very like he's alluding to the kind of fringe

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Speaker 5: left wing court. No, he's alluding to this fringe left

528
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Speaker 5: wing debate about armed revolution versus politics.

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Speaker 4: Oh, is that what you That's that's what I thought.

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Speaker 1: I read fast to this whole kangaroo court system.

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Speaker 5: Which is what he was saying, is we wanted healthcare,

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Speaker 5: we wanted to end the genocide, and we did it

533
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Speaker 5: through the electoral system, which you say is the way

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Speaker 5: to bring about change.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I see, and he's strongly implying it. I'm not

536
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Speaker 4: enough of a comedy, right.

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Speaker 5: That was That was That was like for the for

538
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Speaker 5: the COMMI heads, but overall, you know, we over diagnosed

539
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Speaker 5: narcissm all the time.

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Speaker 4: But it was a very like self focus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's break this down.

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Speaker 3: I mean, guys, I look, we caught a decent portion

543
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Speaker 3: of it and we're just here to react. But you

544
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Speaker 3: got to go listen to the full thing. I listened

545
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Speaker 3: to the full thing. It's eleven and a half minutes

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Speaker 3: something like that.

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Speaker 4: Me me, me, me, me, me me.

548
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Speaker 3: He takes breaks, he's on the verge of tears. He's

549
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Speaker 3: a he's huffing, he's puffing, he's sighing. I mean it's

550
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Speaker 3: only maybe eight minutes in before he's like, thank you

551
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Speaker 3: to all of the people who signed up. I'm like, uh,

552
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Speaker 3: it is not about you, bro, It's supposed to be

553
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Speaker 3: about everybody. I actually thought it was the most Trumpian

554
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 3: thing possible. Uh and uh that was it was in

555
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Speaker 3: that moment Graham I was like, he's a politician, because

556
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Speaker 3: I can, I say eight and a half minutes, so

557
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Speaker 3: it's all about me.

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Speaker 1: It's just all this is totally wrong.

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Speaker 4: He was right for politics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, you know, he really you know,

561
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Speaker 3: people are always like, oh, he's a total outsider. I'm like, no,

562
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Speaker 3: you had this in you man, You're just like all

563
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Speaker 3: the rest of them, which comports, by the way, with

564
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Speaker 3: all of your behavior.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, look it's tough.

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Speaker 3: You and I we talked a decent amount over the

567
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Speaker 3: last two days about the accusation about people taking a beat.

568
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Speaker 3: He is not wrong in my opinion that this is

569
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Speaker 3: all being used as a pretext of a coup. And

570
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Speaker 3: I want to be clear, this is way bigger than Maine.

571
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Speaker 3: This is now the establishment using me too and shady

572
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Speaker 3: super pac five oh one C four's to basically come

573
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Speaker 3: in not only just take out a candidate here, but

574
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Speaker 3: then to discredit everyone in the movement at a national level,

575
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Speaker 3: from the consultants on down, to discredit them from the

576
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Speaker 3: Democratic establishment. You know, you have people out there, some

577
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: of these Superpack people and others saying, if you had

578
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Speaker 3: not resigned before today, we're going to blacklist you from

579
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: campaign politics forever, all of your consultants, all of these

580
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: other people, the main Democratic Party coming in and saying

581
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Speaker 3: you will have no say whatsoever on this process. So

582
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Speaker 3: beyond plattners, you know, me, me, me, it's a very

583
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: cry baby honestly, like his entire video. It also is,

584
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Speaker 3: in my opinion, like really pathetic Ryan, because he did

585
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Speaker 3: not actually demand or extract any concessions whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: People say, what power.

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Speaker 4: Do you have?

588
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Speaker 3: I mean, your name's on the ballot, dude, you can

589
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: you actually can demand whatever you want. I don't think

590
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 3: he's wrong, because everything moved so quickly that within what

591
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Speaker 3: eight hours of publication of the story, the DSCC, Conshumer,

592
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: Act Blue and everybody else was like, you're done. You're

593
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Speaker 3: cut off from the platform, like the infrastructure was over.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, I do think there's a world where

595
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Speaker 3: I mean, I ultimately his line about people will say

596
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Speaker 3: me withdrawing has nothing to do with the admission of guilt,

597
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: like I'm sorry, Like you will be branded as a

598
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Speaker 3: rapist for the rest of your life, like period, end

599
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Speaker 3: of story. And if you didn't do it, I can

600
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Speaker 3: only say this, you know, for at a personal level.

601
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Speaker 3: But also you know, I know a decent number of

602
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Speaker 3: politicians or observe them all too in general, like if

603
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Speaker 3: you really are not guilty, you fight, you stand up

604
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Speaker 3: and you fight.

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Speaker 4: Brett Kavanaugh fought, you know, many others.

606
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Speaker 3: Or even if you are guilty. In some cases, they

607
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: stand up and they fight and they win. Just take

608
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Speaker 3: a look at you. Half the people administration.

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Speaker 5: I've covered a lot of different instances where people have

610
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Speaker 5: been accused and they and they drop out and then

611
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Speaker 5: they spend like the rest of their life trying to

612
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Speaker 5: clear their name. One thing that I thought he failed

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Speaker 5: at in this video and in his previous one, his

614
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Speaker 5: like two minute video whether the story first came out,

615
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Speaker 5: was he just come out with this full on, these

616
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 5: are false allegations, right and then and then moves on.

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Speaker 5: He makes no space whatsoever for this woman who's been

618
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Speaker 5: his who he dated for like two years, to even

619
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Speaker 5: say something about how she felt about the experience, just a.

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Speaker 4: Straight up this is false.

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Speaker 5: But then doesn't give his supporters anything to hang there,

622
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Speaker 5: to hang their support on.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's false. How is it false?

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Speaker 5: Like you didn't go over there, it was consensual, Like,

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Speaker 5: what's the what is what is your side of the story?

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Speaker 5: If this is a he said, she said, we have

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Speaker 5: the she said like she courageously went to the press

628
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Speaker 5: told her story.

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Speaker 4: There is no he.

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Speaker 5: Said other than it's all absolutely false. The yesterday when

631
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: when we were talking about this people should go back

632
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Speaker 5: and watch our conversation. But then on Twitter, like particularly,

633
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Speaker 5: there was a Twitter post from a drop site that

634
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Speaker 5: people thought was kind of suggesting that, oh, because she

635
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Speaker 5: sent this text, therefore all of this is justified.

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Speaker 4: Which is the opposite of what we said. The opposite

637
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Speaker 4: of what we said.

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Speaker 5: And I think anybody who watches the segment will understand that.

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Speaker 5: But I can understand why people like who are just

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Speaker 5: scanning quickly would come away in a.

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Speaker 4: Good faith way with like, is that what they're saying. No,

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Speaker 4: of course that's not what we're saying.

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Speaker 5: We are litigating the most serious allegation you can make

644
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Speaker 5: against somebody's short of murder, literally in the court of

645
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Speaker 5: public opinion. If we're going to do that, and if

646
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Speaker 5: the victim is putting forward her version of the story,

647
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Speaker 5: the media should accurately present her version of the story.

648
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Speaker 5: She told her version on the record to Politico. Politico

649
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Speaker 5: selectively chose not to include some details. They included lots

650
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Speaker 5: of other details. Doors unlocked, a sewing machine like, lots

651
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Speaker 5: of details were put in. They chose not to include

652
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Speaker 5: the detail of the text message and then and then

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Speaker 5: wrote it up in an opposite way, right and if

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Speaker 5: you're going to if the public is going to hash

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Speaker 5: this out in the media, and the victim has the

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Speaker 5: courage to be transparent about what she's saying the media,

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Speaker 5: it's not up to the media to then like pick

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Speaker 5: and choose what they put forward in a deliberate and

659
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Speaker 5: calculated way. And I think I don't think anybody actually

660
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Speaker 5: disagrees with that.

661
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Speaker 3: No, they don't disagree. They all are using it again.

662
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Speaker 3: That's why I started with the pretext. And I look,

663
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: people are like, why are you so My wife actually

664
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Speaker 3: asked me, She's like, why do you even care so

665
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: much about this? And I was like, because it's not democratic.

666
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Speaker 3: I'm an only I don't particularly you know, I don't

667
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: love Platner, not some dsa head. I am watching twenty

668
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Speaker 3: seventeen era witch hunt style journalism come back into the

669
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Speaker 3: fold as an establishment coup forcing mechanism to destroy a

670
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Speaker 3: populist movement. It's not my movement, but it is a

671
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: populist movement, a genuine populist movement. I think that's outrageous

672
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Speaker 3: for our country. And I mean, look, if you don't

673
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Speaker 3: spend a lot of time on Twitter, go take a

674
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: look at what they're saying. About Ryan like, they really

675
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: called you and my rape apologists, They said you were disgusting.

676
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: There it's being used by the Zionists because they already

677
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: hated you for going after the New York Times rape

678
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Speaker 3: story that allegedly happened on October seventh, which you very

679
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: very credibly and always with extreme care have not just disputed,

680
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: I have discredited completely. You don't do it as a

681
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: rape apologist. You do it to set the record straight

682
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Speaker 3: because you also know that those accusations about rape on

683
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Speaker 3: October seventh were used as a pretext than to just

684
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Speaker 3: and to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

685
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Speaker 1: That's why you did it, right. And so then let's

686
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Speaker 1: step back here.

687
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Speaker 3: Well, why do I see all of this Because I

688
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: see the architecture in the same architecture and journalism which

689
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Speaker 3: was used to destroy people's lives, many ordinary people live,

690
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Speaker 3: people much less powerful than Graham Platner.

691
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Speaker 4: It's right back.

692
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Speaker 3: So not only Ryan were you the subject of intense hatred,

693
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Speaker 3: but there was also I sent this to our group chat. Yesterday,

694
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Speaker 3: the Columbia Journalism Review ran a full interview with the

695
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Speaker 3: story with the reporters who were.

696
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Speaker 4: On the Politico story.

697
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Speaker 3: And if everyone will remember, we played a video yesterday

698
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Speaker 3: of Mika Brazinski saying and questioning the reporter Adam Wren. Hey,

699
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Speaker 3: you guys have no evidence. How do you know that

700
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Speaker 3: this ever actually happened? What steps did you take for corroboration?

701
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Speaker 3: The Columbia Journalism Review, which again is supposed to defend journalism,

702
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: here's what it said about Mika's lineup questioning. Brazinski's queries

703
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Speaker 3: may not be out of place in a meeting with editors,

704
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Speaker 3: fact checkers, and lawyers, but on air, in the absence

705
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Speaker 3: of context about the way sexual assault is experience are

706
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: shared with others, they display a misunderstanding of the work.

707
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Speaker 3: And in other words, how dare you be adversarial?

708
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Speaker 4: Now?

709
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Speaker 3: She was not even adversarial to the victim, right, she

710
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: was not. I promise you, if Jenny Raycott was ever

711
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: here on the show, we would treat her with the

712
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Speaker 3: absolute utmost respect, and I would not say that I

713
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: would not call her a liar, and I would definitely

714
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Speaker 3: not even treat her with the way Meeki Persinski.

715
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Speaker 4: But the reporter who's doing the work.

716
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, you are actually up for scrutiny. How

717
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Speaker 3: dare you Basically, you are completely unassailable because what you're

718
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Speaker 3: doing is elevating her story. And yet her story to

719
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Speaker 3: you included the detail about that text message and you

720
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Speaker 3: didn't include it. So actually you are you should be

721
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Speaker 3: subject to intense scrutiny and mister Jake Tapper who never responded.

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Speaker 4: By the way to our request for her, And.

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Speaker 5: There's there's a strong argument you made, and I actually

724
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Speaker 5: believe it.

725
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Speaker 4: I believe this argument.

726
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Speaker 5: That the fact that she included this detail about the

727
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Speaker 5: text message strengthens her critic I totally agree with you,

728
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Speaker 5: because it shows a confidence in her version of the story,

729
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 5: like she's like, look, this is what I experienced.

730
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Speaker 4: I'm telling you all of it.

731
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Speaker 5: And then Politico sees all of it and they're like, actually,

732
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Speaker 5: we're going to leave that out because people are going

733
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Speaker 5: to judge that in a way we don't want them

734
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Speaker 5: to judge it, and so we're just not going to

735
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Speaker 5: include it. That's why they didn't include it, and that

736
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Speaker 5: was that was wrong. The blast radius of this is

737
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Speaker 5: like infinite almost, it's monument. So the White House cryptos

738
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Speaker 5: are we could put this up in post. The White

739
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Speaker 5: House cryptos are thinks that crypto interests deserve to benefit

740
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Speaker 5: from this. He tweeted at Elizabeth Warren, I wonder how

741
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Speaker 5: heavily your colleagues will wait your advice on crypto legislation

742
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Speaker 5: after the train wreck you just orchestrated in Maine. And

743
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Speaker 5: this is a response to Elizabeth Warren saying, as currently drafted,

744
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 5: the Clarity is a ticket to sanctions of ASI and

745
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 5: the Clarity Act is the meek attempt to regulate crypto.

746
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Speaker 5: So the crypto industry, through the White House cryptos are

747
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Speaker 5: thinks that they can even exploit this at this point,

748
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Speaker 5: it is you know, it is it is open season

749
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Speaker 5: for people to use this against people that they that

750
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Speaker 5: they've long.

751
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Speaker 4: Been going after.

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Speaker 5: Now, the way that Maine Democrats are currently planning to

753
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Speaker 5: replace Platner, we can put up B five here. They

754
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Speaker 5: have until I believe it's a twenty seventh or twenty

755
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Speaker 5: sixth or twenty seventh to get this done. It would

756
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Speaker 5: be a six hundred person convention that would vote on

757
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Speaker 5: a replacement. Five hundred of these people would be elected

758
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Speaker 5: proportionally by county committees. In other words, the county committees

759
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Speaker 5: will have on a Tuesday night, they'll meet and everybody

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Speaker 5: who shows up then votes for you know who that

761
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Speaker 5: county is going to you know who the county is

762
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Speaker 5: going to send to this six hundred person convention. Now,

763
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Speaker 5: of course, it being the Democratic Party, one hundred of

764
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Speaker 5: the six hundred will just be you know, party acts.

765
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Speaker 5: So if now not all of those party hacks are

766
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Speaker 5: are hacks. Actually, because there's been so much grassroots effort

767
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Speaker 5: to take over the Democratic Party, a non trivial number

768
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Speaker 5: of those hundred are going to be populous and progressive types.

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Speaker 5: So the movement that was behind Platner, which included fifteen

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Speaker 5: thousand volunteers like you were just in Maine. Yeah, that's

771
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Speaker 5: a staggering number of people in a state that small.

772
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Speaker 5: They're already planning to organize. I mean, everybody obviously is planning,

773
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Speaker 5: but they're the ones that are the most organized, planning

774
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Speaker 5: to go to these county committee meetings when they're scheduled

775
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Speaker 5: and get behind a particular candidate I suspect our reporting

776
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Speaker 5: in the case, that will be Troy Jackson, and then

777
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Speaker 5: try to send a majority of their own delegates to

778
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Speaker 5: the state committee and then nominate nominate Troy Jackson. Troy

779
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Speaker 5: Jackson put out a statement announcing that he is running

780
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Speaker 5: for office on a platform of Medicare for all, taking

781
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Speaker 5: on corporate power, standing up for working people. Conspicuously absent

782
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Speaker 5: from his statement was the gods of genocide or an

783
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Speaker 5: anti war message. He's opposes the genocide. He has called

784
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Speaker 5: it out. He is an anti war candidate in the moment,

785
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Speaker 5: He's like, no, I don't think I'm gonna I don't

786
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Speaker 5: think we're going to include that necessarily in the statement

787
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Speaker 5: that we're putting out here. It's like a lesson learned

788
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Speaker 5: type of situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I mean, I can you could see

790
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: it all coming from a mile away, right, because anytime

791
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: party apparatics get involved, we all know like they're going

792
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: to be disproportionately more establishment.

793
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Speaker 4: Yes, I think that people can actually win this though.

794
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: You may be right, right, but but we do see

795
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: the ground already being set, you know, for I don't know,

796
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Speaker 3: like let's.

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Speaker 4: Put be four up here. For example.

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Speaker 3: So you have this founder of main beer company, Dan

799
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Speaker 3: cleban He now says he's in the race. He says,

800
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: for too long, this race has been about Susan Collins

801
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: repeated failures. But to do what's right for Maine, that's unacceptable.

802
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 3: Mayners are paying the price for her destructive leadership. He says,

803
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Speaker 3: I've been overwhelmed by the countless calls from mayners encouraged

804
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: me to consider this race. And he says that he's

805
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: going to run in the open and transparent process to replace.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know a ton about Dan, but I do

808
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: know that he was one of those candidates who had

809
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: originally considered running, but Chuck Schumer told him, hey, don't

810
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: enter the race because we need Janet Mills.

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Speaker 4: We got to clear the field and make sure that

812
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Speaker 4: he wins.

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Speaker 3: I'm just pointing out that with all these you know,

814
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Speaker 3: some of these outsiders and others. The thing is about

815
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: Graham is he ran for a year, so it was

816
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Speaker 3: all out there, like we actually knew what he thought

817
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Speaker 3: about everything. And you could say that to a much

818
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Speaker 3: lesser extent about You could say that to a much

819
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: lesser here about Troy Jacks or some of these state

820
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: legislator but they didn't have an actually run, you know,

821
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Speaker 3: they ran for governor. Yeah, but that's not the same

822
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Speaker 3: as a United States Senate. The votes are totally different.

823
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Speaker 3: Like these are national politics votes that you're going to

824
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Speaker 3: have to take on taxes, on healthcare, on war, how

825
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: do we know you know, how you run as a governor.

826
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Speaker 3: That's why states very often will choose different party governors

827
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Speaker 3: because they don't care necessarily about how you run the state.

828
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Speaker 1: But at national level it's totally different.

829
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Speaker 3: You might have take an impeachment vote, you might have

830
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Speaker 3: to take you know, who knows there are all kinds

831
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Speaker 3: of Supreme Court you know in terms of a confirmation.

832
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Speaker 4: What do you think about all those things? We can

833
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: infer but we don't know.

834
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Speaker 3: Graham actually put it all out there and made really

835
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Speaker 3: the pretext of his campaign about health care, about wealth,

836
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Speaker 3: and about war and those three things. Obviously, we're a

837
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Speaker 3: very very powerful message. We don't have it's not even

838
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Speaker 3: possible to do the same amount of vetting that's that's required,

839
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Speaker 3: I think in the next two week period. Like you know,

840
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: if we put that last one B five up here

841
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: and again I'll let you explain it better. But this

842
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: proportionality by only Committee five hundred, can they really organize

843
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: necessarily at the county level in the same way you

844
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: think so? Well, But that's my question too, because then

845
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Speaker 3: this is where it gets down to the state level

846
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 3: as well.

847
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: Well.

848
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: Let's think about you know counties are going to if

849
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: it's all county committees, isn't that going to disproportionately represent

850
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: like more rural areas as opposed to you think so

851
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: because I was in Portland in a city. It's proportional, Okay,

852
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 3: So it's a population right, I'm just thinking this.

853
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 4: So it won't disproportionately. It'll be.

854
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 5: The Portland counties and the banger and you know the

855
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 5: areas will have this report, they will have proportionally more

856
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 5: representation at the at the state level. Even so, this, uh,

857
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: this movement is much better organized than deeper in every

858
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 5: county in the in the state. So and as the

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00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 5: volut Nathan Bernard's piece is at drop site is really

860
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: worth reading. A lot of the volunteers were saying very

861
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: quickly like this is heartbreaking to us and we feel betrayed, but.

862
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: It's not about one person. Now.

863
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: He was a kind of uniquely kind of gifted political talent,

864
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 5: also obviously uniquely flawed, But they were saying, it's not

865
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 5: about one person. All of us can still push forward.

866
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of disillusionment among the kind of

867
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 5: progressive populist world now. But the same structural forces that

868
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 5: have produced. All of the anger that has been channeled

869
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 5: into this movement exists today as they existed last week. Certainly,

870
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: immense damage has been done, but the structural the structural

871
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 5: problems that are produced by the oligarchy that created this

872
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 5: movement are still there and they're not going away. And

873
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 5: so that's why I do think actually they have the

874
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 5: organizing capacity and.

875
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Speaker 4: The drive and the will.

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Speaker 5: To by the end of July have have put another

877
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Speaker 5: populist up, which will be interesting to see how the

878
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 5: establishment responds, because they've been saying nobody who has had

879
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 5: anything to do with Platner should ever be anywhere near

880
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Speaker 5: anything ever again, and that's okay for you to say,

881
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 5: but there are still we're still somewhat of a democracy,

882
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Speaker 5: so we'll see.

883
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: Let's put this last thing I just sent this guy's

884
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: is a new poll actually that was fielded by Platner's

885
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: team on Tuesday, gauging the strength of the people who

886
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Speaker 3: could replace him on the ballot.

887
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: So their internal poll.

888
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: This is very small sample size because a snap pole

889
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 3: is seven hundred and eighty five voters. They found Troy

890
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: Jackson at forty nine forty four, Susan Collins versus Graham

891
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: Plattner would have been forty seven forty two, so Graham

892
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 3: under five points to Susan Collins. In his own poll,

893
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: Susan Collins and Janet Mills would have been forty eight

894
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: thirty seven. Susan Collins and Jordan Wood would have been

895
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: forty seven and thirty eight. Bellows and Shah, they said

896
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: both essentially tied Collins at forty seven and forty five

897
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: percent respectively.

898
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Speaker 4: There's going to be a huge margin of error, and

899
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: you know you should take that before before everything. No, no,

900
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: this was this was snaphole. So this was I mean.

901
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 5: It's before negative ads, right before a good point hundreds

902
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars spen.

903
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: And that's part of the thing too, where you just

904
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, platinm was a known entity. So

905
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: whoever does replace him, this is not necessarily a horrible thing,

906
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: but you're gonna need, like, I mean, tens of millions

907
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: to tell the state who you are. The NRSC, I

908
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: could guarantee you they're on a high. They haven't been

909
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: in quite some time. They thought she was dead in

910
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: this race, and now they're going to fundraise dramatically and

911
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: they're negative ads. Whoever decides they're going to run, they

912
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: will be hit with a negative ad the day that

913
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: they get announced, and then it's just going to be

914
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Speaker 3: blanket the entire state. So look, it's going to be

915
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: a wave year. Platiner was still only down five in

916
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: the absolute worst of it. I think he's still could

917
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 3: have won personally if he staid and fought. I actually

918
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: really think he could have won by maybe one or

919
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: two points. But you know, it would have been a harder,

920
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: but I think so.

921
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: But he decided to drop out.

922
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 3: So now it's just a big question I think about

923
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: who's going to be able to replace him, and if

924
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: the process doesn't play out for the activists and the

925
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: way that they want, do they show up in November,

926
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, or are they going to say screw you.

927
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: I'm just you know, politics has done for me.

928
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 5: If they feel screwed, right, that could definitely hurt him

929
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 5: in November. I think one final thought is like a

930
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: meta thought here in this this show and also independent

931
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 5: media kind of allows us to do this more honest

932
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 5: kind of coverage and frankly just to let people in

933
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Speaker 5: on it, like personally and professionally, it's not fun.

934
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Speaker 4: No, I'd actually rather not.

935
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Speaker 5: Do it, and if you are at a kind of

936
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Speaker 5: corporate media outlet, you kind of just don't do it. Yeah,

937
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 5: and you're actually okay with that, you like, I can't

938
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Speaker 5: do it.

939
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Speaker 4: Like so.

940
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty, Alex Morse's Democratic candidate arm Abraham running

941
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 5: in western Massachusetts got accused of all sorts of stuff

942
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 5: and I said, where's the evidence for this? I was

943
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 5: getting called a creep or a rape apologist all and

944
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: then over time it turned out, and we did the

945
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: reporting on this, that it was a actual coordinated smear

946
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 5: campaign that was fabricated by people who wanted jobs in

947
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 5: the other guy's office, and the guy's entire reputational safety

948
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 5: still ended up losing. Is this damaging stuff? He's now

949
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: a Provincetown may not mayor what do you call it?

950
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 4: Town manager?

951
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 5: Best job, best job in the world for him. In

952
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, Scott Stringer was running for mayor and

953
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 5: faced some really complicated and odd allegations which are now

954
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 5: still playing out in court. We were the only ones

955
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 5: that did any reporting on what are the actual allegations here?

956
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: And it's not because we want to do that, it's

957
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: that because structurally we can there's an obligation to do it,

958
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 5: like because if we can do it, and we know

959
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 5: that there are facts out there that aren't being included

960
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: in the in the public discussion, even if it's difficult

961
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 5: to put those forward. If we don't do it, then

962
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 5: what are we doing with the space that has been

963
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 5: created for us by this independent audience? I agree, we

964
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: would just be coasting on it and cynically just cashing checks.

965
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 5: So if you're not doing the hard thing, you're not

966
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Speaker 5: You're you're not living up.

967
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Speaker 4: To your obligation, and you have to. That's a thank

968
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Speaker 4: you to the people who make this possible.

969
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Speaker 3: And you have to see and look, I mean, I

970
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 3: don't know, this isn't this isn't about us, but we

971
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: can see. How how many dms do we get from

972
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Speaker 3: people in the mainstream media or like thank you for.

973
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Speaker 4: Doing it, yes, thank you for doing that. Yes, but

974
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Speaker 4: they can't do it like all day, all day yesterday. Yes,

975
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Speaker 4: people reaching out here like.

976
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Speaker 3: Good story, great story, you're totally right, but you know,

977
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Speaker 3: guess what they're working for, A big corporation Columbia Journalism Review.

978
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Speaker 4: I mean, look what happened.

979
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Speaker 3: I just told you, Meek a present multi millionaire hostman MSNBC,

980
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: daughter of a daughter of Heitan, Titan of the American

981
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: as as you can get in the and she's getting

982
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: hit for being semi skeptical about a me too allegation

983
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Speaker 3: to a reporter, not even to a victim, all right,

984
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Speaker 3: and so for just.

985
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Speaker 5: The general principle of very serious allegations requires require serious screens.

986
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Speaker 3: And you know again, you know all the people at Politico,

987
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: these reporters, they're being failed as heroes.

988
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: Maybe they are.

989
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 3: I don't know, you guys can decide. Jake Tappernal, Oh

990
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: my god, what a great interview. Everything is all praise.

991
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: So if you you know, if you don't swim in

992
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: that current and you swim against it, the hatred that

993
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: you engender in them, you put your literal livelihood at risk.

994
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: And so it's easier to just stay silent.

995
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Speaker 5: But they do, they do know how to scrutinize allegations.

996
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: When Tara Reid came forward with one on the rest, yeah.

997
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: Or yeah right, if anybody who is inconvenient to the system,

998
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: then they definitely know how to scrutinize a victim or

999
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 3: they know how or with Christine Christine Bosi for oh,

1000
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: she's the greatest truth teller in history, even.

1001
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 5: Though I'm like or on the right, she's the biggest

1002
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 5: liar in here or the biggest lion.

1003
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Speaker 4: All the same people who are saying, no, that's driving me. Yeah, exactly.

1004
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: These guys who you know, called the hag Seth accuser,

1005
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: like basically a liar, you know who are all like, oh,

1006
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: this what a brave vicar. I'm like, well, which is it, guys,

1007
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: you know it's one or the other. I'm I'm I'm consistent,

1008
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: like I'm basically I'm like I basically at this point

1009
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Speaker 3: in this day and age, if it's a racism allegation

1010
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: or a rape allegation, I'm like, you got to prove

1011
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: it to me first.

1012
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, so people are like, what about it? What

1013
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 5: if it's somebody you don't agree with. We scrutinized the

1014
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 5: heg Seth allegation in a very serious way. I think

1015
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: heg Seth belongs in prison for war crimes. I think

1016
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 5: he's a despicable human being. But we scrutinize that allegation

1017
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 5: because that's what you do with serious, exactly allegations

1018
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Speaker 3: And that's how you maintain a little bit of credibility,

1019
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: so anyway we'll get off of our soap boxes.