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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: My name is Met, my name is Nola.
Speaker 4: They call me Ben.
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Speaker 4: Week, folks.
Speaker 5: This is the evening, fellow conspiracy realist, when we get
Speaker 5: to hear from the best part of the show, which
Speaker 5: is you, specifically you. I know it might sound freaky
Speaker 5: to hear it while you're in the car or walking
Speaker 5: around wherever you're at right now, but you, we're talking
Speaker 5: about you. You might be on the show, you might
Speaker 5: be in a future segment with us. We'll tell you
Speaker 5: how to get in touch at the end. But here
Speaker 5: we are at the beginning. We're gonna, oh, We're we're
Speaker 5: gonna explore a very troubling thing about the nature of
Speaker 5: cognition and technology. What rough digital beast. It's our come
Speaker 5: at last, crouches toward Bethlehem to be born. We're going
Speaker 5: to talk a little bit about water and UV. We're
Speaker 5: gonna talk a little bit about.
Speaker 4: When Google Maths goes wrong.
Speaker 5: But before we do any of that, we talked a
Speaker 5: bit off air and Matt, you have some surprises in.
Speaker 2: Store, oh always. But today I've got some messages. And
Speaker 2: in order to get to those messages, at least the
Speaker 2: first one, we have to recap a bit of strange
Speaker 2: news that we covered a little while back. Noel, a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, you brought up story to us
Speaker 2: about ape Fest twenty twenty three and some stuff that
Speaker 2: went down there. Could you just tell us what the
Speaker 2: big problem.
Speaker 6: Was, Well, the problem was that they didn't I guess
Speaker 6: they didn't buy their lights at party Central.
Speaker 3: They probably bought them.
Speaker 6: You know, from some sort of laboratory supply website, I guess,
Speaker 6: or you know, maybe crime stoppers or something, because the
Speaker 6: you know, they you know, these kind of parties that
Speaker 6: people like to put on a big spectacle when it
Speaker 6: comes to tech, right, because they're in technology. So the
Speaker 6: lighting and all that should have the same wow factor
Speaker 6: and be technologically impressive.
Speaker 3: So a lot of strobes and stuff. Probably not.
Speaker 6: They probably have to have trigger warnings for epileptics, you know,
Speaker 6: on the outside of the door. A lot of black
Speaker 6: light situations. And apparently instead of getting your run of
Speaker 6: the mill black light kind of neon type bulbs that
Speaker 6: you see in your Spencers or what have you.
Speaker 3: Again, probably Party City, they.
Speaker 6: Had these like medical grade UV emitting bulbs that apparently
Speaker 6: minorly low key fried people's retinas and gave him like
Speaker 6: not chemical burn but like radiation burns on their faces
Speaker 6: and like rashes and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the equivalent of having your eye get a sunburn,
Speaker 2: which is probably not a fun thing, and according to
Speaker 2: a lot of people who attended Apefest, it was not
Speaker 2: fun cause some damage. Let's go ahead and give the
Speaker 2: name of that specific bulb because we mentioned it in
Speaker 2: that Strange News episode and it was recognized by a
Speaker 2: listener who happened to call in. It is the Phillips
Speaker 2: TUV thirty watt G thirty t eight and it gives
Speaker 2: off twelve watts of UVC radiation, and this listener's ears
Speaker 2: perked up and said Hey, I know that exact bulb
Speaker 2: and I use it for something in my daily work.
Speaker 2: Let me call the guys and he did, And here's
Speaker 2: the message that the turd herder left for us.
Speaker 7: Hi, guys, I was just listening to your podcast from today.
Speaker 7: We're talking about Phillip's light Bulb's UV light bulbs work
Speaker 7: on a wastewater treatment facility, and that's the exact bulb
Speaker 7: we use to disinfect large, large volumes of water. So
Speaker 7: the bulbs are so powerful that you can get a
Speaker 7: coali down from about one hundred thousand parts of million
Speaker 7: down to one or two. So I definitely don't want
Speaker 7: to be staring at those. Yeah, when I'm anywhere near that,
Speaker 7: I'm fully clothed and making sure that I have UV
Speaker 7: protectment safety glasses on. Anyway, thanks for your episode, love Itte.
Speaker 6: Now, I think this came up Matt on the episode
Speaker 6: because was it there some chatter during the early days
Speaker 6: of COVID hysteria that UV lights could potentially kill COVID
Speaker 6: on surfaces and things like that, when people were like,
Speaker 6: you know, just psychotically wiping down everything put leaving their
Speaker 6: groceries in the garage for two days.
Speaker 3: Things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I recall this UV lights like that one or
Speaker 2: similar to that one, and are used as general disinfectants.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, in a lot of different applications.
Speaker 2: So I yeah, pretty wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we yeah, that's it's yeah, exactly to
Speaker 3: this guy's point.
Speaker 6: I mean, you'd you'd need some protective gear, you know,
Speaker 6: to safely be around these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The turd Herder, which you'll notice, the turd Herder
Speaker 2: did not name himself there. I talked to him briefly,
Speaker 2: and that is the name. We came up when he wanted.
Speaker 2: But he mentioned that if you stare directly into them,
Speaker 2: it is like the welder what is it the welder
Speaker 2: eye thing that we that is mentioned in several of
Speaker 2: the pieces of reporting we found on this, Uh, it
Speaker 2: will fry your eyeballs, like to the point where you
Speaker 2: cannot see. In his application, at least in the facility
Speaker 2: where he works. It's six of those bulbs and they're
Speaker 2: each eight feet long. Like that's a huge bulb, right,
Speaker 2: and just imagining that those were just set up in
Speaker 2: some party space, you know.
Speaker 6: I do wish we could have followed up with the
Speaker 6: listener because now I'm interested and I remember we were
Speaker 6: talking about those crazy cinema lights that were melting the
Speaker 6: windows of airplanes. You know, they're like in a that's right,
Speaker 6: they're in a giant array. Like I'm wondering for this
Speaker 6: disinfecting process, like what does this facility look like?
Speaker 3: And how are these lights like set up and focused?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, that's not something that
Speaker 3: I think we could just google an image for right now.
Speaker 2: No, the thing to Herder mentioned is that this is
Speaker 2: the last treatment that occurs in a wastewater treatment facility,
Speaker 2: or at least one the one where he works, where again,
Speaker 2: it's killing E. Coli and some of the tiniest things
Speaker 2: that you cannot really remove through like a filtration process, right,
Speaker 2: but it must hit all of the water running through it,
Speaker 2: and I can only imagine that it's a large volume
Speaker 2: of water passing by at any given moment. Who knows
Speaker 2: the gallons right, per minute or per second that moved
Speaker 2: through it, but in.
Speaker 4: The speed which would be the rate of exposure.
Speaker 5: When I when I finally like, because we talked about
Speaker 5: the board ape thing, and then it was astonished to
Speaker 5: find that this was a previo. There was a previous
Speaker 5: iteration of this a precedent I think in twenty seventeen
Speaker 5: where this happened right with the same light bulb, And
Speaker 5: so when I looked in that I forgot to tell you, guys,
Speaker 5: if you are interested, you can buy this Germicidal thorest
Speaker 5: into light bulb, the Phillips three sixty one, sixty four,
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera for less than forty
Speaker 5: dollars on Amazon right now thirty six dollars twenty cents.
Speaker 6: Are they cheaper or more expensive than what the proper
Speaker 6: bulbs might have been? You got to wonder did they
Speaker 6: buy this, because maybe they're like, ooh, look, what's this
Speaker 6: deal here? You can get these for a better price.
Speaker 6: I would say they'd be more expensive, but that's just me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, hey, maybe all the holiday deals
Speaker 5: have skewed the numbers temporarily. I'm kidding. Black Friday and
Speaker 5: Cyber Monday. Our rifts just walk down the street for
Speaker 5: that one jentleal.
Speaker 3: They are banned.
Speaker 6: But I have to tell you, I was in the
Speaker 6: market for one of those Kitchen Aid stand mixers and
Speaker 6: I rolled into Target just like I'm gonna get one,
Speaker 6: don't I'm just gonna get one whatever the price is.
Speaker 3: It was easily two hundred dollars off.
Speaker 6: So that maybe that's just they always run deals for
Speaker 6: those kitchen aid things because they are so popular and pricing.
Speaker 3: But I was a pretty good deal. I love life
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's a rom cop. You know, you
Speaker 5: saw the mixer and you were like, when you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know exact to see you got to get those Q
Speaker 2: four numbers up.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I've been watching Fargo, Matt,
Speaker 3: what are you talking? I don't know, I don't know. Sorry,
Speaker 3: the new season is quite good.
Speaker 2: But thank you tured Herder for sending us that information.
Speaker 2: Any more information you want to share with us about
Speaker 2: water treatment would be cool. We love it. We want
Speaker 2: to know. We've got another one from the old voicemail box. Guys.
Speaker 2: This one I asked you please not to listen to
Speaker 2: because I listened to it and then went down a
Speaker 2: rabbit hole and I am a bit confused with what
Speaker 2: I remember and now what I know. So I just
Speaker 2: want to see. I want to see where you guys
Speaker 2: land objectively. So here we go. This message is from
Speaker 2: Agent nine oh seven.
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, call me Agent nine seven. So I wanted
Speaker 8: to just bring this by you. What weapon did William
Speaker 8: Tell use? So maybe I found a manel. Maybe you
Speaker 8: guys are on the new timeline. Half my friends are
Speaker 8: one way, the other half the other. So you guys
Speaker 8: rock on Agent nine seven alf crossbow.
Speaker 2: Okay, William Tell is it's a piece of folklore.
Speaker 6: Famous overture, that is the bugs bunny theme. Get up
Speaker 6: like a lone Ranger theme rather bick itt U pick
Speaker 6: it up?
Speaker 2: Pick it up up before you look it up? Just
Speaker 2: what what weapon do you think he used?
Speaker 4: It was?
Speaker 6: I think it was a crossbow or I was in
Speaker 6: my mind it's either a bow and arrow or a crossbow.
Speaker 6: Is definitely an arrow because he shoots an apple off
Speaker 6: somebody's head and he like kills somebody or by accident
Speaker 6: or something. And now I'm thinking about William S Burrows
Speaker 6: who did the same thing, but he did it with
Speaker 6: a gun.
Speaker 5: William S Burrows is an overrated author. Had to get
Speaker 5: it out also, Oh well, also William Tell it's European, right,
Speaker 5: I remember I remember an old comic book I think
Speaker 5: was more Central Europe. I can't remember, but I remember
Speaker 5: an old comic book I had from Key Comics. Which
Speaker 5: which told the story, and in that story she was
Speaker 5: using a bow and arrow. But I don't think it
Speaker 5: was accurate. I think it was. I think it was
Speaker 5: definitely not a gun and was definitely a some sort
Speaker 5: of projectile. So I'm going to side with Nol on
Speaker 5: this mat and I'm going to argue crossbow.
Speaker 2: Okay, excellently reasoned, sir, I think uh, I think I'm
Speaker 2: the outlier here. I had a very clear picture in
Speaker 2: my mind of William Tell shooting the apple off his
Speaker 2: son's head with a bow and arrow I got. I
Speaker 2: had a clear picture in my head. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I know that, shooting the arrow off the top
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: My mine went there very very quickly.
Speaker 6: But then I was reeled in because my mom, as
Speaker 6: you guys know, as an opera singer and was in
Speaker 6: several productions of William Tell, and I remember being backstage
Speaker 6: and seeing and being be really fascinated by the prop
Speaker 6: bow and arrow because they had a thing where he'd
Speaker 6: click it and then the arrow would come out and
Speaker 6: reverse from like the wall, so they could It's it's
Speaker 6: like really classic practical stage craft, you know, like he'd
Speaker 6: click the.
Speaker 3: Thing and then boop. It would come out like of this,
Speaker 3: like you know, revealed little.
Speaker 6: Compartment in the wall, not not revealed, you know, impossible
Speaker 6: to see.
Speaker 4: I think I was in Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the comic is what taught me this, because
Speaker 5: the comic was wrong.
Speaker 4: So I think because the comic.
Speaker 5: And a lot of popular descriptions I saw later, maybe
Speaker 5: in animated things, maybe in children's stories, tended to to
Speaker 5: your point, match show a bow and arrow, and I
Speaker 5: think because that was so prevalent, I ended up learning
Speaker 5: that was not entirely the case because I went through
Speaker 5: the period where you like you evaluate and interrogate all
Speaker 5: these different folk tales and urban legends like Johnny Applesy
Speaker 5: basically a drunk train kid or crustpunk for his day,
Speaker 5: and just iinerant wonderer. Uh you know, uh pekos Bill, and.
Speaker 6: I haven't thought about He had a Lassu, right, didn't
Speaker 6: pecos Bill? I'm sorry I say Lassu. I know it,
Speaker 6: but I just it sounds fun.
Speaker 3: Isn't that right? Wasn't he a roping and wrangler kind
Speaker 3: of guy?
Speaker 5: Yeah, of the of the halcion, uh, the halcion cannon
Speaker 5: of the Lumberjacks.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like the Blue Ox, lose that guy.
Speaker 4: Babe, Babe is the Blue Ox.
Speaker 3: This is the big Fellow the acts.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's from the Statue.
Speaker 6: And far we're all going, and he would be sort
Speaker 6: of from that pantheon, right like kind of.
Speaker 3: Those type of folk characters.
Speaker 5: So, Matt, what you're saying is to well, more directly
Speaker 5: what you're saying Agent nine oh seven, I think you're
Speaker 5: telling us that William Tell used a Phillips TUV thirty
Speaker 5: watch G thirty t eight.
Speaker 2: That's it, right to just sort of fried that apple sunbury.
Speaker 4: In the apple off the off the kids head his son.
Speaker 2: His son didn't do to well either. No, but it
Speaker 2: was just a weird thing where, you know, I got
Speaker 2: the voicemail and I think maybe my mind was just
Speaker 2: playing tricks on me, and I'm putting somehow Robin Hood
Speaker 2: and William Tell legend together making this weird thing, because
Speaker 2: I've got clear images of you guys remember the animated
Speaker 2: Robin Hood series. I've got the sequence of the what
Speaker 2: is it the bullseye shootout scene where the arrow goes
Speaker 2: into the other arrow somehow like that.
Speaker 3: Is Disney one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was their tombstone. He shut out code named.
Speaker 2: Douc that for some reason, imagery is mixing my in
Speaker 2: my head when I imagine this scenario with William Tell,
Speaker 2: which is a fascinating legend and you know, a really
Speaker 2: cool play, just the fact that an authority would be like, no,
Speaker 2: you didn't. You didn't show what it was it he
Speaker 2: like didn't bow, or he didn't he didn't show.
Speaker 6: A deference to the Yeah, the the ritual of it
Speaker 6: all kind.
Speaker 2: Of yeah, the Austrian upper crust or whatever. And so
Speaker 2: they were like, yeah, okay, go over here and shoot
Speaker 2: an apple off your son's head or basically you know,
Speaker 2: we'll rest you or whatever.
Speaker 6: Speaking of Mandela effect type in my head. And I
Speaker 6: think I even said it out loud. I thought that
Speaker 6: he killed the kid by shooting the apple. But then
Speaker 6: again I was I was misshmashing that with William Burrows
Speaker 6: killing his wife.
Speaker 5: Oh jeezu, his grandfather and then it calculator.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: That's how he was.
Speaker 3: Able to it was a NEPO baby. Anyway. So the
Speaker 3: Coco band.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, so assuming do we have permission to look
Speaker 5: it up? Because I don't know I'm going off the
Speaker 5: dome right now. Oh yeah, Okay, all right, so looking
Speaker 5: up William Tell. All right, William Tell, you're right he
Speaker 5: did not pay obedience to some guy named Gessler, Albert Gessler. Okay,
Speaker 5: all right, Yeah, it looks like it's out of out
Speaker 5: of Switzerland. So he's like a Robin hood of Switzerland.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: I don't know much about that. I don't know about
Speaker 5: much about Switzerland's folklore.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is he's a folk hero. There have
Speaker 2: been reliefs made of this, you know, paintings from the
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds. People have been putting the image of William
Speaker 2: Tell up basically for a long time in this timeline.
Speaker 2: And he's always got a crossbow. The legend always has
Speaker 2: a crossbow. That's what it's always been. But some people
Speaker 2: don't think so. Are we living in a weird timeline
Speaker 2: where we jumped?
Speaker 3: Are in a weird timeline? Yes, most definitely?
Speaker 2: But the bow are the bow people? Did we jump
Speaker 2: into the crossbow timeline? Y'all?
Speaker 3: What about the little bo people? Let us know?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 5: Also, also we should we should point out real quick
Speaker 5: for anybody unfamiliar, check out our earlier episode on the
Speaker 5: Mendela effect. This is the idea, like the most famous
Speaker 5: examples online or things like Shazam versus Kazam and barren
Speaker 5: Stein versus Baron Sting.
Speaker 2: Yep, there you go. Check it out. Thanks so much
Speaker 2: turd Herder and Agent nine oh seven for calling in,
Speaker 2: and everybody else who called in. There's a bunch of y'all.
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Speaker 3: Back with another message from you. Oh yeah, that's right,
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Speaker 6: Really, Google Maps error leads unsuspecting travelers into the middle
Speaker 6: of the Mojave Desert. It's a link from an article
Speaker 6: on tech Spot, and Anonymous out there comments the all powerful,
Speaker 6: all knowing Google sits the bad even ais hallucinate. It
Speaker 6: turns out androids do dream of electric sheep or at
Speaker 6: the very least bad directions.
Speaker 3: So let's jump right in with the article on tech
Speaker 3: spot by Kishlayah Kundu. Basically, the deal is this. You know,
Speaker 3: it's funny.
Speaker 6: We were in Las Vegas, all three of us, during
Speaker 6: this Formula one Grand Prix event, or right before it.
Speaker 3: We saw like the kind of didn't we am I
Speaker 3: making that up?
Speaker 5: No, you're right, We're no, Mandela Factir and ol. We
Speaker 5: were there right before it, and a lot of the
Speaker 5: folks we met talked about it the way that the
Speaker 5: way that people in the far Northeast talk about a
Speaker 5: nor'easta coming.
Speaker 3: Of locusts, right or something like that, or the Macy's
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 6: Parade if you actually live in New York. Now, I'm
Speaker 6: sure some New Yorkers love the parade. Who doesn't love
Speaker 6: a parade? But so yeah, there were some folks and
Speaker 6: apparently this happened to several travelers who were on their
Speaker 6: way back from the Formula One Grand Prix event Las
Speaker 6: Vegas back to California. I believe they were heading for
Speaker 6: Los Angeles, which is pretty common people drive. That's you know,
Speaker 6: it's not like super fast, but it's I think it's
Speaker 6: what like four or five hours something like that.
Speaker 3: In any case, not something we think about over here.
Speaker 3: But Ben, you mentioned in nor'easter.
Speaker 6: The desert equivalent of a nor'easter is a sand storm
Speaker 6: or a dust storm, and that's serious business. That is
Speaker 6: like reported by Google mapping type navigation services. You know,
Speaker 6: it makes the news. It's a big deal. It can
Speaker 6: really reduce visibility, make conditions very very dangerous and can
Speaker 6: seriously damage your car if you're not wearing protective gear
Speaker 6: and you get out in and it can really you know,
Speaker 6: damage your eyes and your eyesight could cause permanent vision loss. So,
Speaker 6: according to the San Francisco Gay, Shelby Easler and her
Speaker 6: brother Austin and their respective partners were on their way
Speaker 6: back to La that's right from Las Vegas on November
Speaker 6: the nineteenth, and we're using Google Maps to do the
Speaker 6: job to get there, and they were it was suggested
Speaker 6: like it'll do. Hey want to save some time, try
Speaker 6: this alternatate rounte okay, Google Maps, I'll bite. Apparently it
Speaker 6: was trying to steer them around this dust storm that
Speaker 6: was causing a lot of delays. And the route that
Speaker 6: it suggested was fifty minutes faster.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 6: That sounds fifty zero fifty minutes faster, And one would
Speaker 6: assume that the you know, that says a result directly
Speaker 6: of avoiding the dust storm. But I also you wouldn't
Speaker 6: think it'd be that localized, you know, like, how could
Speaker 6: you increase your route by fifty that's what I'm saying
Speaker 6: already a little too good to be the too good
Speaker 6: to be true, side, wouldn't you say so? It turns out, though, however,
Speaker 6: that the alternate route was actually steering them on some
Speaker 6: sort of.
Speaker 3: Like state road that landed them.
Speaker 6: Smack dab in the middle of no man's land, uh,
Speaker 6: in the worst part of the dust storm, where the
Speaker 6: terrain was really gnarly and rough to the point where
Speaker 6: it badly damaged their vehicle and and left them stranded
Speaker 6: with no service and no way home.
Speaker 2: Was it actually a road or not a road?
Speaker 6: Yeah, But a lot of those like state roads or
Speaker 6: state routes spend I know that, like from your car
Speaker 6: stuff days. You probably maybe you know about this kind
Speaker 6: of stuff like there there are a lot of roads
Speaker 6: that will read, you know, on a map as a road,
Speaker 6: but it's it's not paved, you know, it'll be like
Speaker 6: some kind of dirt road or like a like a
Speaker 6: little what do you call it, like a I don't
Speaker 6: know what do you call these things?
Speaker 4: You call it an access track, an access road.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, thank you. They may as well be
Speaker 5: a deer path. There are There's another interesting thing that
Speaker 5: happens here may not necessarily be a chicanery, uh, fellow
Speaker 5: anonymous conspiracy realist, Like, if you go to a lot
Speaker 5: of places in the world, especially when there is prevalent construction,
Speaker 5: you're gonna you're gonna see that the maps are woefully
Speaker 5: incorrect because they don't know the roads exist or they
Speaker 5: haven't been updated. And like, like, where I think you're
Speaker 5: going with this all? If you're in the middle of
Speaker 5: nowhere in the Mojave or something, how often is the
Speaker 5: Google street car really hanging out there?
Speaker 7: You know what?
Speaker 6: I'm really going off road? I mean, those things are
Speaker 6: like Ford focuses, you know what I mean? And apparently
Speaker 6: this is interesting too in the in the article, uh,
Speaker 6: the the person reporting their misfortune did say to the
Speaker 6: SF Gate that it was their very first time driving
Speaker 6: from La to Vegas. And for any seasoned La to
Speaker 6: Vegas commuter, you're supposed to know that the I fifteen
Speaker 6: is the only way.
Speaker 3: That's the only road once.
Speaker 6: You get out of the Remember when we all went,
Speaker 6: Remember when we all went to the Hoover Dam, and uh,
Speaker 6: there weren't any other roads that looked accessible on the
Speaker 6: main drag is the main drag and everything else is
Speaker 6: a little outlet to a little small town or to
Speaker 6: where you're going, and everything in between is kind of
Speaker 6: cheer nothingness. It's a little bit eerie. They called nine
Speaker 6: to one one, but to no avail. The California Highway
Speaker 6: Patrol apparently actually just said they couldn't help them because
Speaker 6: they were overwhelmed because of the dust storm.
Speaker 3: Which was apparently, you know, really wreaking some havoc.
Speaker 6: And this story got me thinking very recently, I'm sort
Speaker 6: of a I don't know, like, I'm what you call
Speaker 6: geographically challenged. Okay, I don't have a very good sense
Speaker 6: of direction. So even if I'm going routes that I'm
Speaker 6: very familiar with, I will often have my mapping running
Speaker 6: in the background, and largely because sometimes they can steer
Speaker 6: you around nasty stuff. If it's like say during rush
Speaker 6: hour and here in Atlanta, like.
Speaker 3: It's it's helpful.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it'll tell you, oh, you can't save that ten
Speaker 6: minutes or whatever. But recently I noticed the routes that
Speaker 6: I was very familiar with, and it actually made me
Speaker 6: realize that I know these routes better than I think.
Speaker 6: My Google Maps was given me some blooney y'all, like really, like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, it's somewhere along the way. I tweaked
Speaker 6: a setting and it was trying to perhaps steer me
Speaker 6: away from highways or something. But all of a sudden
Speaker 6: I noticed I was taking my kid and their friend
Speaker 6: to this mall that I know to be about twenty
Speaker 6: minutes away, and the phone was saying it was sixty
Speaker 6: five minutes away. And I didn't notice that until one
Speaker 6: of the kids was like, hey, Dad, I don't think
Speaker 6: this shouldn't be sixty five minutes away.
Speaker 3: And I haven't really had a chance.
Speaker 6: To explore what exactly it's doing. But I have entirely
Speaker 6: stopped using Google Maps because of that. I've been just
Speaker 6: using Apple Maps.
Speaker 3: And I did on a cursory look, I couldn't figure
Speaker 3: out any any setting that I had changed. So what
Speaker 3: do you guys think? Is there f wordery.
Speaker 5: Right as they're sory about So, I mean, we got
Speaker 5: to be careful not to assign malice to what simply
Speaker 5: could be error. You know, again, the software and the
Speaker 5: whole mapping program, whether you're Uber, Google Maps, Ways, Lift,
Speaker 5: what have you, it's always trying to struggle to be
Speaker 5: up to date. And I think we can all remember
Speaker 5: how optimistic Ways and Google Maps will be sometimes where
Speaker 5: they're like, hey, just make a left here, and you're like,
Speaker 5: well that's like it's clearly into a building, and they're.
Speaker 4: Like one way, yeah, right, right, go like recently go
Speaker 4: in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: There's parts of downtown Atlanta or like you know, midtown
Speaker 6: or whatever where there's lots of little skinny roads. If
Speaker 6: you don't pay attention, they're mega one way and you
Speaker 6: will get blasted. And I had Google Maps telling me
Speaker 6: to turn on one of those, and I almost did.
Speaker 6: Like Michael Scott, driving into a lake.
Speaker 5: Atlanta is a hard road driving for the United States.
Speaker 5: It's not like the final level, but it's it's definitely
Speaker 5: up there. It's the third act of the driving video game,
Speaker 5: because you know, sometimes the street will just suddenly be
Speaker 5: a left turn only or right turn only. Sometimes it'll
Speaker 5: be reversible lanes, right the suicide lanes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love those.
Speaker 5: And then and then of course no one reveals their
Speaker 5: secret plan.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 5: The stuff they don't want you to know in Atlanta
Speaker 5: traffic is the turn signals exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to get the memo.
Speaker 2: Well, it is weird because roads are updated quite often
Speaker 2: here in our fair city, and I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how in the heck do the Google cars
Speaker 2: know who puts in the system. Oh, this one tiny
Speaker 2: section of Peachtree Court something or whatever is now like
Speaker 2: there's no stop sign there anymore. It's now, you know,
Speaker 2: roundabout or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it gets in a system somewhere, but it
Speaker 2: does feel as those system gets confused quite often with
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: And it's dependent on two factors. They can really mess
Speaker 5: it up. The first factor is density of people, right,
Speaker 5: frequency of vehicles. That will result in more current information
Speaker 5: from these things, which are by the way, totally sucking
Speaker 5: up your information and it's being sold to all sorts
Speaker 5: of people. The second the second part though, just to
Speaker 5: show this up real quick, the second part is a
Speaker 5: function of like, so if they're less if there's less frequency,
Speaker 5: less density, then those things are going to be less
Speaker 5: often updated. But the second issue is like there's an
Speaker 5: inflection point because the more frequently some places travel, the
Speaker 5: more people or bots traveling on there, the more likely
Speaker 5: there is to be a lot of construction, which also
Speaker 5: makes the thing outdated.
Speaker 4: So it's a real balancing act.
Speaker 6: Google's kind of the only game in town as far
Speaker 6: as those mapping cars, right, And I mean I imagine
Speaker 6: satellite imagery plays some role in this, but it can't
Speaker 6: quite get as granular as like driving around and mapping it.
Speaker 6: And I know a lot of the purpose of those
Speaker 6: cars is to also get like real time, not real time,
Speaker 6: but like video because if you look at like those
Speaker 6: you know, Google Earth kind of start as you can
Speaker 6: see what your yard looked like a year and a
Speaker 6: half ago, you can usually tell you know when the
Speaker 6: car came through. But like let's say, everyone's sort of
Speaker 6: sourcing their stuff from those publicly available Google results, right,
Speaker 6: or it never happened to the Garmans of the world
Speaker 6: in the in the you know.
Speaker 3: Magellas of the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's still there's still around. We depended on
Speaker 5: one back in the back in the day, and as soon.
Speaker 6: As it didn't require a Wi Fi signal because it
Speaker 6: was literally satellite, it was also super outdated.
Speaker 5: We got very lucky with that. That's why earlier I
Speaker 5: said you should always have a paper at list.
Speaker 4: In your car, just like Ran McNelly. I get it.
Speaker 4: No company's perfect, but it's better to have it and
Speaker 4: not need it. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're asking really a really good question. I
Speaker 5: love street View, I love Google street View. I know
Speaker 5: it's super creepy.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 5: Did you guys ever play the game Geo Guesser, Matt?
Speaker 5: I think we may have talked about this one.
Speaker 3: Is that like GeoSafari?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 6: I just remember GeoSafari was like a kid's game that
Speaker 6: was always advertised on like Nickelodeon, where you had like
Speaker 6: a map on a like a board that would you
Speaker 6: would like have like hot spots on it. You could
Speaker 6: push buttons and it would you point to the part
Speaker 6: of the map that the question was about, and it
Speaker 6: would beat at you if you were right or wrong.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 3: What's sorry?
Speaker 2: Geo Guesser is where you get an image right, and
Speaker 2: you have to guess, like a Google street image or something.
Speaker 2: You have to guess what part of the world it's in,
Speaker 2: like literally the entire planet, dude.
Speaker 6: Before we close out on this one, I have to say, Ben,
Speaker 6: our good friend Frank is a fan of a lot
Speaker 6: of these like New New York Times type online games
Speaker 6: like Wordle and talking about Tradel that one dude.
Speaker 3: I was like, only Ben will be good at this game.
Speaker 3: We explained to the Fair people and.
Speaker 5: Matt, what the hell tradl is, Uh, well, yeah, of
Speaker 5: course we're very big on credit where it's doing this show.
Speaker 5: So yes, shout out to you. Frank, if you're listening,
Speaker 5: you hipped us to Tradel. You know, you described it perfectly.
Speaker 5: It's one of the many spin offs of the wordle
Speaker 5: approach to gaming. There's also World All where they give
Speaker 5: you the outline of the country and you guess what
Speaker 5: the country is. Geo guess Are is way tougher, by
Speaker 5: the way, because, like Matt said, geo Guesser is just
Speaker 5: some random spot.
Speaker 6: But Trader is about guessing what the company, like, what
Speaker 6: gues you know, the gross domestic products of Like are
Speaker 6: these things these items? And they get like sort of
Speaker 6: like a ven diagram, and then you have to guess
Speaker 6: what country, out of all the countries is that thing.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, I wouldn't even know where to start, Frank,
Speaker 6: don't even.
Speaker 5: So Tradel, Yeah, Trader as you describe it is, Uh,
Speaker 5: you'll get kind of these these blocks, these visual represented
Speaker 5: representations of a country's exports by percentages, so you win.
Speaker 5: For instance, you'll you'll pull up trade and it'll say
Speaker 5: this country, uh exports a cartoonish amount of ammonia and
Speaker 5: then also you know, some petroleum products and they're also
Speaker 5: like wool and zilk and very weird things. So uh,
Speaker 5: then based on that, you'll have to try and guess
Speaker 5: which country it is. And the tricky thing about this,
Speaker 5: just in our defense and in the defense of anybody
Speaker 5: who feels like Tradel's too tough, the tricky thing about
Speaker 5: it is it's based on OECD numbers, which means that
Speaker 5: some of the things that game counts as countries the
Speaker 5: UN does not count as countries.
Speaker 3: Fun slash, no fun at all.
Speaker 5: It's like a investor aspirational thing, like this is what
Speaker 5: we wish was a country. Let's just pretend it is
Speaker 5: until we get what we want.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, I've got a country. It exports mostly ammonia
Speaker 2: and acylic alcohols. If I put in my guess for
Speaker 2: whatever country, what happens does it like say, oh, that
Speaker 2: was close, But.
Speaker 3: It does sort of do that row you're narrowing things
Speaker 3: that it'll you know what it'll do.
Speaker 4: It'll tell you.
Speaker 6: You're this far away to the north southeast or west
Speaker 6: where the answer is, and it'll be thousands of miles
Speaker 6: and you're like, oh cool, let me again.
Speaker 3: Useless. I'm useless. I'd be useless in this game.
Speaker 5: It will give you a percentage too, so like without
Speaker 5: oh wait, we can totally spoil this one.
Speaker 4: Do you want to do? You guys want to know
Speaker 4: the answer? You want to guess?
Speaker 3: I think I think it's like an Eastern European country.
Speaker 3: That's what would pop to my mind. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not gonna do it right now.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I haven't tried searching for it.
Speaker 6: Well, it's obviously very stale at this point. So I
Speaker 6: think we can spoil it for the people who play
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 5: Well, because Trinidad and Tobago, because I was guessing, like you,
Speaker 5: let's see, man, it's it's that one. It might be Antiqular,
Speaker 5: I can't remember. It's a Caribbean nation, Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 5: It's off the coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 3: Is it really all right?
Speaker 5: I mean, well, I guess technically every country is sort
Speaker 5: of off the coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 4: You just have to go get.
Speaker 3: Some other stuff.
Speaker 6: All right, Well, I think we've rabbit holed enough for now.
Speaker 6: Let's take a quick break. Thank you anonymous for the tip.
Speaker 6: Take a quick break here worth more sponsor, and come
Speaker 6: back with one more piece of listener mail, and we
Speaker 6: have returned.
Speaker 5: We're going to keep this one short because this is
Speaker 5: sort of the entryway or the lobby to a larger conversation,
Speaker 5: which I do hope we will explore as an episode
Speaker 5: in the future. Big big thanks to someone who wishes
Speaker 5: to remain anonymous spoiler. They are a returning guest, and
Speaker 5: big big thanks to our pal Elijah from Instagram, who
Speaker 5: assures us that they are absolutely a human being and
Speaker 5: definitely not artificial intelligence like super organic.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 4: So here's what we got. We were talking.
Speaker 5: About this a little bit off air. We we got
Speaker 5: a great We got a great series of articles from
Speaker 5: an anonymous pal about something called Sarah Bros. Spelled that's
Speaker 5: my cat leave it in. I know, big big AI fan,
Speaker 5: this guy, doctor Vankman. So Sarah Bros. Is an AI
Speaker 5: super or is a company that created an AI supercomputer.
Speaker 5: And yes the term AI is problematic. We're using that
Speaker 5: for convenience sake. They created something called the condor galaxy one.
Speaker 5: It is the it is the beginning of a nine
Speaker 5: system thirty six exaflop network. What is an exoflop.
Speaker 3: That's a giant measure of data, right or processing power?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the biggest cannonball you can make in a pool.
Speaker 5: That's all computers are doing now, is exoflops into pulls? Yeah, no,
Speaker 5: you're right, you're right, No, it is. It is a
Speaker 5: supremely cartoonish amount of decisions per second. How many ones
Speaker 5: and zeros or decisions is this thing making? Noly You
Speaker 5: got a number on this.
Speaker 3: One, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: According to the Nvidia website or a blog on the
Speaker 6: end Video website, it can calculate at least one quintillion
Speaker 6: floating point operations per second. And we've heard of Giga, Tarra,
Speaker 6: PETA XA. After that, there's ZENA and YOTTA, but I
Speaker 6: don't think we have those really, Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seems like XA is where it's at. Right, that's
Speaker 3: ten to the eighteenth the exponents and the computer performance. Yeah,
Speaker 3: EXA flops e flops.
Speaker 5: So first off, obviously this is perfect for gaming, right,
Speaker 5: Anybody who's like I'm not able to run Starfield or yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm not able to run starfield fast enough or something.
Speaker 5: The amount of ability that this thing has is astounding,
Speaker 5: especially when we consider I'm just gonna be honest, I
Speaker 5: think most of us don't understand what a billion is.
Speaker 5: And I was looking into right, the best way to
Speaker 5: learn stuff is to associate it with things we already know, right,
Speaker 5: So I was I was asking myself, what is the
Speaker 5: difference between a million and a billion? Like, how can
Speaker 5: we comprehend that we the non billionaires of the world.
Speaker 5: All right, If you took one million pennies, I think
Speaker 5: it's an okay example, If you took one billion pennies
Speaker 5: and you stack them on top of each other samamajenga tower,
Speaker 5: that would be a tower almost a mile high. If
Speaker 5: you took one billion pennies and you stack them up
Speaker 5: in the same kind of tower, that would be eight
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy miles high. That's like, So this thing
Speaker 5: is making billions of decisions in the space of a second,
Speaker 5: and we have to wonder to what end.
Speaker 6: Right and can you can network these together too to
Speaker 6: get like, you know, what's the word expanded performance, like
Speaker 6: like they do with SETI and things like that, where
Speaker 6: you literally have a cloud computing kind of thing where
Speaker 6: all these things are, you know, running in tandem, right mm.
Speaker 5: Hmm, or like the DoD did when they hooked up
Speaker 5: those PlayStations.
Speaker 6: True story, it was, and it's also used for crypto mining,
Speaker 6: or at least it was when that was still a
Speaker 6: thing people did.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe some people do it. But these are
Speaker 3: these these.
Speaker 6: Very very powerful video cards like in video makes that
Speaker 6: was what they were using for crypto mining, set these
Speaker 6: up in these arrays.
Speaker 2: So I guess the question is what are they going
Speaker 2: to be used for? Because there's nothing illegal about it.
Speaker 5: Right, No, No, it's just an energy vampire. Really demand
Speaker 5: ons the processing demand. There is a great article from
Speaker 5: Spectrum dot I E E E dot org. It's called
Speaker 5: Cerebus introduces its two exi flop AI supercomputer. You can
Speaker 5: see that from July of this year. Shout out to
Speaker 5: the author, Samuel Kmore. The idea is that large language models,
Speaker 5: your favorite chat, GPT iteration, other what we call generative AI,
Speaker 5: your mid journeys and so on, that this kind of thing,
Speaker 5: this Cerebus operation, is going to help them digest all
Speaker 5: of the factors and variables that enter into their equations.
Speaker 5: They're building these systems in such a way that they
Speaker 5: don't need to do just one thing, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. Like in earlier days of supercomputers, people you know,
Speaker 5: the IBM's of the world or something would say, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're going to make this thing really good.
Speaker 4: At predicting the weather.
Speaker 5: And this increasingly becomes like the proverbial gin in the
Speaker 5: bottle it grants wishes.
Speaker 2: They're partnered this company G four two out of the UAE.
Speaker 2: They're partnered with Astrozenica. The only time I ever heard
Speaker 2: that name is when the COVID nineteen vaccinations were rolling
Speaker 2: out and they were one of the companies offering them.
Speaker 2: It makes me wonder what if they have any involvement
Speaker 2: in the cerebras supercomputing stuff, because I can imagine they
Speaker 2: would use it to what is it, identify vectors for
Speaker 2: that gain of function thing, So you're.
Speaker 6: Actually simulations and things like that, right really yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 6: and also been to your point about the AI stuff.
Speaker 6: Think about like the fastest computing you could possibly get,
Speaker 6: you know, on the mar for a consumer or a
Speaker 6: prosumer for certain like processings of video like shots, you know,
Speaker 6: for doing those things have to render, and they take
Speaker 6: a long time. And a lot of these mid journey
Speaker 6: videos that you see of creepy gramdmas and doing weird stuff,
Speaker 6: those take a long time to render as well. So
Speaker 6: this could potentially really just open up how much of
Speaker 6: this kind of content could be out in the world.
Speaker 3: Right, isn't that sort of the deal? Yes?
Speaker 5: And speaking to content out in the world, we the public,
Speaker 5: we the global public, don't know how far this technology
Speaker 5: has come. We are dependent upon investors statements, We are
Speaker 5: dependent upon you know, white papers, publicly approved releases. It
Speaker 5: makes me think back on the recent conversation between Uncle
Speaker 5: G and Joe Biden over in California, which only happens
Speaker 5: because Henry Kissinger made it. So we got to check.
Speaker 5: We'll check at the end to see if Henry Kissinger
Speaker 5: is alive.
Speaker 3: Still.
Speaker 5: Hey everyone, it's me Ben from earlier. I wanted to
Speaker 5: jump in with a quick editorial note. We recorded this
Speaker 5: listener mail segment on November twenty ninth, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 5: the very same day Henry Kissinger's death was announced to
Speaker 5: the American public. As we record now, Kissinger has passed away,
Speaker 5: but the most powerful state actors on the planet and
Speaker 5: the most powerful private entities. To your point, Matt, they
Speaker 5: are intensely interested in this, and they are making these
Speaker 5: weird frenemy deals you could call them, where they say, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're going to agree not to do this part no
Speaker 5: AI drones, and then they kind of shake hands and
Speaker 5: then go back to whatever they're doing. And this is
Speaker 5: all happening once. Of course, things aren't happening in vacuums
Speaker 5: over our brain. When we weren't recording episodes regularly or
Speaker 5: strange news listener mail segments, a lot of stuff happened.
Speaker 5: One of the biggest things was the open AI debate.
Speaker 5: We know open AI. We know Sam Altman, the leader
Speaker 5: of that, got unceremoniously booted, and then within a very
Speaker 5: small amount of time he got put back into the company.
Speaker 6: And it was weird because it wasn't like he even
Speaker 6: did anything that was particularly egregious or that was like,
Speaker 6: you know, cause for removal. To my understanding, he had
Speaker 6: something to do. It's just like the corporate structure, they
Speaker 6: were able to do it, and they sort of oustered him.
Speaker 2: Well wait, I thought the reasoning, at least early on,
Speaker 2: it was something about he had another venture that he
Speaker 2: was working on and they didn't like that or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I didn't know.
Speaker 3: What he was saying that that's not egregious to me.
Speaker 6: That's like, maybe it's part of the terms, but I mean,
Speaker 6: he's basically that this company existed well before this open sorry,
Speaker 6: this chat GBT thing came along, and he is sort
Speaker 6: of the guy who spearheaded that direction for the company.
Speaker 3: If I'm understanding correctly.
Speaker 5: Here's the scuttle button, all right. So from what we're
Speaker 5: hearing now, the cause of that chaos was a fundamental
Speaker 5: disagreement between Altman and the board of Open AI. And
Speaker 5: once they gave him the boot, hundreds of employees said
Speaker 5: we're going to quit. Two we're going to walk. And
Speaker 5: so this is where we shout out to our Palatlijah
Speaker 5: on Instagram because we're talking about this, and the question
Speaker 5: is what could have happened, right, Matt, You're absolutely correct, dude.
Speaker 5: There was there were these initial reports of a different
Speaker 5: venture that may have been a conflict of interest, which
Speaker 5: is a big deal for sure, but there was something else.
Speaker 5: There was this philosophical There was well ideological philosophical there
Speaker 5: was also a material concern which may continue today. Each
Speaker 5: side of of the disagreement, the board and the staff
Speaker 5: and Altman at large seemed to genuinely believe that they
Speaker 5: are arriving at a software created intelligence that one day
Speaker 5: may wake up. For lack of a better term, like
Speaker 5: the idea is. They seem very concerned that the Wija
Speaker 5: board they've built may actually be able to summon some
Speaker 5: ghosts or create them. And this is where we go
Speaker 5: to article like you see this everywhere. Here's a great example.
Speaker 5: Reuter's released an article on November twenty third, twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three that said open Ai researchers warn the board of
Speaker 5: an AI breakthrough right before Altman, the CEO, was ousted.
Speaker 5: And this is where we learn about a project called
Speaker 5: q Star, horrible name the Q and on folks are
Speaker 5: going to have field day with it.
Speaker 4: With this model.
Speaker 5: With QStar, open Ai was able to create something that
Speaker 5: was able, that was capable of solving like grade school
Speaker 5: mathematical problems. So it was it was pretty good at
Speaker 5: you know, high school math and below. That doesn't sound
Speaker 5: like a big deal.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a calculator.
Speaker 4: To me, it sounds like a calculator. We have.
Speaker 3: Father's old contribution to society.
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, all right, one more time. Famously overrated.
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: No, it's tough to make a living as an author,
Speaker 5: and you know, I don't want to yuck anybody's yum.
Speaker 3: But the idea to do something to maintain his heroin
Speaker 3: habit not as.
Speaker 4: Right, right, Yeah, and uh.
Speaker 5: The concern about q star is the idea that because
Speaker 5: this thing can solve mathematical problems, it is able to
Speaker 5: perhaps teach itself to improve. It can become its own
Speaker 5: arbiter of self help, which would mean that it could
Speaker 5: meet the definition of AGI and it could modify its
Speaker 5: own code. It can improve its own programming. It doesn't
Speaker 5: need an infinite number of primates going clickety clackety, and
Speaker 5: once that happens, things begin to escalate. That's the concern.
Speaker 5: We're not saying that's happening now, but that's the concern,
Speaker 5: and that's why so many people are staying up late
Speaker 5: at night scared, because even though it sounds kind of
Speaker 5: elementary at grade school, the implication is dangerous and that
Speaker 5: seems to be right now, that's the theory that Sam
Speaker 5: Altman got fired because it was like, nah, this is
Speaker 5: all good don't worry about it. Let's get this bag,
Speaker 5: and the board was saying, no, we're creating something we
Speaker 5: don't understand and cannot control.
Speaker 3: I guess possible that it was the other way around.
Speaker 6: I only asked that because you know, employees freaked out
Speaker 6: and like, this is the guy that sort of help.
Speaker 3: I don't know this guy's reputation. I really don't know.
Speaker 6: Much about this guy, so I don't know if he's
Speaker 6: the more the kind of guy that would like pump
Speaker 6: the brakes or more the kind of guy that would
Speaker 6: like cut the brake lines, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And it sounds like.
Speaker 6: It's one or the other, right because you know, Microsoft
Speaker 6: is you know, is obviously purchased this and they're starting
Speaker 6: gently by integrating it into dumb things like you know,
Speaker 6: auto correct and things like that. But they're playing a
Speaker 6: long game. And the question then becomes, at what point
Speaker 6: do we take the guardrails off.
Speaker 3: And are we being a good steward of humanity or
Speaker 3: do we even give a shit to do that, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 6: And so that's where I said philosophical and is that
Speaker 6: is him as the leader, the one who's more likely
Speaker 6: to be like, no, we need some guardrails. And therefore
Speaker 6: the board was like, no, f that, get out of
Speaker 6: here or is it the other way around?
Speaker 5: That's yea, yeah, that's a great question. That's that's why
Speaker 5: this should be an episode of stuff they don't want
Speaker 5: you to know. I mean, just now, this is fresh
Speaker 5: baked news, folks, Just now. There was earlier this morning,
Speaker 5: there was an excellent article in the Atlantic by Karen
Speaker 5: how Whoes notes something that I think a lot of
Speaker 5: us are realizing. AI research is veiled in secrecy on
Speaker 5: so many levels, state actors, private entities, nonprofits. It is
Speaker 5: veiled in secrecy. How wrote this fantastic article with the
Speaker 5: headline why won't open Ai say what the QStar algorithm
Speaker 5: is and also notes that these allegations of AI breakthroughs
Speaker 5: are hindering scientific consensus. So it is concerning and we
Speaker 5: don't know how open ai develops its technology. We don't
Speaker 5: to your point, we don't understand as the public exactly
Speaker 5: how Altman directs work on these future iterations, which are
Speaker 5: very much on the way. I just feel like it's
Speaker 5: time for us to start kissing robot ass about that.
Speaker 3: Ages.
Speaker 6: Yeah, get ahead of it, man, like please, robot over lords,
Speaker 6: be kind. We've been you know, singing your praises low
Speaker 6: these many years, early adopters even.
Speaker 2: You know, we need guys, We need a global reality
Speaker 2: show competition to find the best like family for the
Speaker 2: emerging AI to be born into. So like uh, you know,
Speaker 2: moms and dads and sisters and brothers that treat the
Speaker 2: AI as part of the family, but like the best
Speaker 2: family that gets to raise the first AI.
Speaker 5: So we need to find like a Kent family for
Speaker 5: this new real life superman. Yes, that's why they have
Speaker 5: something to humanize it.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's a concern and this is Look, this is just
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