WEBVTT - Rust Shooting, Facebook Papers and Other Grim Things

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio Together everything, So don't don't don't. Oh, I did

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<v Speaker 1>my part today. What else is going on? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done all of my work for the week. Oh good, good,

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<v Speaker 1>good job. What are you gonna do with your time now?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe fish? What kind of fish? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like, uh, whatever's whatever's in the creek.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just throw needles in the creek until I get

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<v Speaker 1>a trash. Yeah. So you fish by tossing needles like

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<v Speaker 1>like shooting them kind of like like like just throwing

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<v Speaker 1>pile handfuls of them, just handfuls of needles into a

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<v Speaker 1>creek until I get a fish. Okay, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>trap kind of like you put it down and then

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<v Speaker 1>hope they swim into the needle. Yeah, they swim into

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<v Speaker 1>the needles. Like how we used to fish, Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>the old times. Yes, you say, like the ancient ancients. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the old days they used to fish with needles. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how it works. Yeah, basic anthropology here. Well, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>nice that before we've even started recording, you're done with

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<v Speaker 1>your work for the week. That's so nice for you. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done. All right, Well, you guys have a good recording.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait oh wait, wait, wait oh? How was your weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I fish too? It was? How was my weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>What did I do? I don't even know? You can

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<v Speaker 1>do a party at my house? I did go to

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<v Speaker 1>a party of your house? Right? How much time is

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<v Speaker 1>meaningless to? Yeah? Yeah? How's your weekend? Did you go

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<v Speaker 1>to a party at your house? I did? I threw

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<v Speaker 1>a party at my house. It's tiring. It's fun. It

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<v Speaker 1>was tiring parties, am I right? Anyway, Sophie, you how

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<v Speaker 1>was your weekend? This is fun? This is what people

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<v Speaker 1>tune in for. Right. I got my flu shot and

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<v Speaker 1>then I got a fever, and mom hurt, But I

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<v Speaker 1>got my flu shot. She gives me fever. Thanks, fever, fever,

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<v Speaker 1>when you touched me fever, when you hold me tight ve.

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<v Speaker 1>My goal is to pety sing songs on most episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when this was a news podcast barely. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about that. I've been thinking about the evolution of

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<v Speaker 1>this show a lot. There's a lot the devolution, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the right term, because now there's a lot of crossover

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<v Speaker 1>between what we're doing in all the various other projects.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's such a nice podcast. Too many pod podcast

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<v Speaker 1>But like, I like this group of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's fun. I like talking about the news

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<v Speaker 1>with you guys. But it is interesting to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we gonna talk about this week? How do

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<v Speaker 1>we space ou out other other shows? Who has the

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<v Speaker 1>time when we all show up and we're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's friends that we get to talk to you about chaos? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But it was I was messaging with Robert at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Time is funny like that, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>recalling that the original mandate for the show was to

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<v Speaker 1>unpack the election and to travel around and talk to people,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I mostly talk to you from I am

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<v Speaker 1>hopeful that we can start to branch out and do

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<v Speaker 1>some projects here like that. Maybe one day you guys

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk quickly about the giant tungsten cube. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you go more than anything. So I got no plans.

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<v Speaker 1>In the crypto world, oh, a minor tungsten shortage, at

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<v Speaker 1>least within one or two companies, has been caused because,

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons of basically just a meme, crypto bros have

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<v Speaker 1>been buying tungsten cubes. Tungsten is an extremely dense metal

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<v Speaker 1>you make like army piercing amm o out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, because like a little bit of tungsten,

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<v Speaker 1>like a four inch tungsten tungsten cube, it's like forty pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like a weird dense metal. Some people have

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<v Speaker 1>been buying cubes just because they think it's neat, and

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<v Speaker 1>it became kind of a crypto meme, and so this company,

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<v Speaker 1>Midwest Tungsten, decided to capitalize on it by making the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest tungsten cube they possibly could, which was like, I want,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to look at the it's it's uh fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>inches UM around and it weighs almost two thousand pounds UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wanted there. They're selling it, but because it's

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<v Speaker 1>would be a nightmare to actually move anywhere, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>really selling it. They're selling it as an n f

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<v Speaker 1>T UM starting at two grand. It will probably go

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<v Speaker 1>for much for millions UM. But you don't actually own

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<v Speaker 1>the cube. But if you buy the cube as an

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<v Speaker 1>n F t you can come see it once a

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<v Speaker 1>year at their off time share. Yeah. Well, no, only

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<v Speaker 1>one person gets to see it once a year, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you later sell it, if that person is already

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<v Speaker 1>visited and touched the cube earlier that year. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it for a whole other year. Don't understand. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be honest, and I'm sure a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people will lose respect for me. I don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>It don't understand. I don't I don't understand bitcoin mining.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. Okay, So here's what you need to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>If you man in illegal drugs, or if you made

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<v Speaker 1>it and you just want to avoid taxes on it,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've committed a bunch of crimes and you need

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<v Speaker 1>a way to like kind of wash and scrub your

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<v Speaker 1>laundry your money the way you would like your laundry,

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<v Speaker 1>you can use crypto to do that. And that's that's why.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what all of these like Giant Crypto Transaction are

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<v Speaker 1>a somebody trying to launder money. Um, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>all a big fucking sketchy grift propped up by a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of true believers and a bunch of more people

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<v Speaker 1>who recognize that pretending to be true believers is a

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<v Speaker 1>great way to keep a pretty good money laundering scheme going.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So that's all I need to understand. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not nothing else matters. Um. We did a two parter

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<v Speaker 1>about it that will come out that everyone's going to

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<v Speaker 1>find as frustrating as I found researching it. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just dumb and it's it's stupid. Um uh yep

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<v Speaker 1>on Bastards or shows on Bastards. I read a Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's just all dumb. But the fucking yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>sucking cube. It's just like it's the fucking cube. Yeah, good,

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<v Speaker 1>good for you guys. Like that's what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what because like money is stupid and fake.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it always is, like currency is fiat currency.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I like the fucking pressure metal. People are

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<v Speaker 1>just like, Okay, well what's gold worth? Really? What's gold worth?

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<v Speaker 1>Like making a space suit? Then gold's worth nothing like exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>so like so like whatever whatever there and this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like points to that. So in a way, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>good for you guys, You're you're illustrating how stupid money is. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe the cube isn't worth it. Yeah, maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>cube isn't worth it. Maybe the fucking terrible ape drawings

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<v Speaker 1>aren't worth it. Maybe the the the automatically generated lion

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<v Speaker 1>pictures aren't worth hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's all very dumb, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>if people will pay for something, that's what it's worth,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's how capitalism works, which is why Tim Pool

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<v Speaker 1>owns a big house so and Hassan owns a big

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<v Speaker 1>house too. It's it's whatever, it's how, it's the entire

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<v Speaker 1>it's the system we live under. The two genders Hassan

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<v Speaker 1>and the reality is that in ft are really really dumb,

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<v Speaker 1>but also when you really think about it, not inherently

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<v Speaker 1>dumber than in the rest of currency. It's it's a sideshow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>David read David Graber's debt the first five thousand years, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to. Yeah, you'll like it's actually written, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it will clear up an enormous amount of important

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<v Speaker 1>questions you have about the way that currency works. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's also very well written because David Graber was a genius. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm either getting less smart smart or I'm just so

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<v Speaker 1>oversaturated that it's hard to sit down and read things.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the recommendation, and I'll do it. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to force yourself to rece myself to do everything. Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>so do I. Sophie will tell you the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>human condition. Yeah, the human condition. I thought, being an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be better than this, just the problem with

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<v Speaker 1>the only difference. When I was a kid, there was

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else making me do stuff, and so it was

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<v Speaker 1>easier than it. Now I gotta go read a goddamn

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<v Speaker 1>book because I used to have so much fucking ability

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on books. And yeah, now I have to

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<v Speaker 1>read like three at a time in order to read one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hard. It's a d h D is what

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<v Speaker 1>it probably is. Yeah, but my a d h D

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<v Speaker 1>medicine doesn't seem to help. It just makes me ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go garden instead. It makes me really ready to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on anything other than the thing I have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Gardening is vastly better anyway. We've we've drifted from and

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<v Speaker 1>I blame myself. Tokyo. We've drifted. We've Tokyo drifted away

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<v Speaker 1>from the the cube, the cube, the cube. We've we've

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<v Speaker 1>cube stopped gleaning the cube, romancing the cube, romancing the

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<v Speaker 1>square stone, romancing the cube. Once a year, Yeah, once

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<v Speaker 1>a year. In a supervised visit, only one trending on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter at the fucking cube. Yeah, i'd better be I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>actually one trending. Yeah, we'll talk. I guess we should

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that. Now, go ahead about I know you

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do this only in theory. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it last week and again we're a culture show.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we only we talk about movies. Can we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about succession later? Because I'm finally yes, we may? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he? Well, so, I guess my question is is

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<v Speaker 1>Timpole trending because of his additional thread on squid Game

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<v Speaker 1>or is it about his tweets about Dune yesterday. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a good question. Let's both are silly. It's probably both. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Timpoles just a very funny little character. Um, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>is he doing a character? Is he? Oh? Here? It is? Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's surprising that people who think a show about people

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<v Speaker 1>being forced into equality stand in food lines where they

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<v Speaker 1>are underfed and used as fodder for the elites does

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<v Speaker 1>not represent communism in any way. If squid Game was

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<v Speaker 1>about capitalism, then rich people would start off disadvantage and

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<v Speaker 1>not equal to the other players advantaged. Whatever. The rich

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't aren't playing in the squid Game, are there?

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing. Here's the thing, And I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>spoil anything. Um, I don't know who's hurt. Who's watched

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<v Speaker 1>it all, not watched it all. You don't watch I

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<v Speaker 1>have to catch up on Succession. That's fine. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>watch squid Game before I can watch Dude. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna spoil anything. Um. The statement if Squid

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<v Speaker 1>Game was about capitalism and rich people would start off

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<v Speaker 1>advantage and not equal to the the other players. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim finished the show to finish the fucking show. Watched

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of the fucking show. Tim. Second of all,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all in debt. That's the plot to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all in massive debt. So there are that's the

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<v Speaker 1>plot of the show. They're all they're all in massive debt,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're and they have to play the squid Game.

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<v Speaker 1>So so what's your point, Tim? But um, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is not I just some players would have inherited advantages

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<v Speaker 1>toward winning the money. First of all, Tim, they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of do. Second of all, there are games in the

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<v Speaker 1>squid Game that is set up like a race, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are some people in the front that start, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's some people in the back and it's presented as

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<v Speaker 1>being an equal game, even though you can literally look

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not. Physically you can see that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>equal because they're not all starting at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just very silly. Um and he closes this threat

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<v Speaker 1>out by saying, there are critiques of capitalism if you

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<v Speaker 1>try hard enough. And again, first of all, there's an

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<v Speaker 1>episode I'm I'm trying Katie close your ears. The second episode.

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<v Speaker 1>The second episode spoilers. The second episode they leave the

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<v Speaker 1>squid games. They're like, oh wow, the squid games are dangerous. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all gonna die, so they leave, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>second episode is them going back to the capitalist world.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all in debt, they're all miserable, everyone around them

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<v Speaker 1>is going to die. The episode is called Hell, and

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<v Speaker 1>they go back to the games for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Yeah you can, you can, you can put

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<v Speaker 1>your yes, you can put your headphones back on. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so silly to pretend like, if you try hard enough,

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<v Speaker 1>they're critiques. No, they are very specific critiques of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can misinterpret it all you want, but you can't

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<v Speaker 1>claim that that. You have to try very hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get to that critique. Even Ben Shapiro today did a

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<v Speaker 1>whole video reviewing squid Game, and he's like, it's about

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<v Speaker 1>how communism is good, and like, I mean kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like not but they specifically attack North Korea in it too. Yeah, no, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And and also like by critiquing like all the problems

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<v Speaker 1>with capitalism, you're not inherently saying like communism is good,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's not how it works. Um. So Like even

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<v Speaker 1>then he's it's like not a very good review, but

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<v Speaker 1>he at least says it's a good show. It's politics

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<v Speaker 1>are bad. He gives it a seven out of ten

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<v Speaker 1>for watchability and a one out of ten for politics.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, at the bare minimum, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to recognize what the show is. Um. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just very silly. It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I care so much. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like dislike disingenuous grifters. It's kind of thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if disingenuous or not, like part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like, do you think is this how you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I think is how you absorb media? He does? I

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<v Speaker 1>think that. I think it's his tribalism. Of here's another

0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.960
<v Speaker 1>thing that I can say us versus them, here's another

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<v Speaker 1>way that I can like just argue against you. I

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that this is um purposeful ignorance. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I won I guess so, like because even

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<v Speaker 1>like with Done, he's like, I didn't like it was

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<v Speaker 1>boring and slow, and I fell asleep a bunch and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even finish it and it's bad, and like, even

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<v Speaker 1>that is so silly to me. First of all, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a slow movie. I don't understand that critique. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's pretty uh engaging the entire time. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing where he can't come up with like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's woke, so I'm gonna talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So he has to fall back on like I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>watch it was boring, um, which you totally could because

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<v Speaker 1>it is woke, like from the sixties, like sixties woke ism.

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<v Speaker 1>But like they're very clear themes that he's talking about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the overall theme of the of the books

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<v Speaker 1>is that number one, colonialism inherently destroys everything, not just

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<v Speaker 1>the colonized, but the colonizers. That heroes are a trap

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<v Speaker 1>uh and inherently uh. Just the concept is inherently destructive

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<v Speaker 1>and that given enough time, the oppressed will become the oppressors. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot going on in Dune. All of it

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<v Speaker 1>is in fact very woke because Frank Herbert ate his

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<v Speaker 1>body weight in psychedelic mushrooms while wandering the Oregon Dunes

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<v Speaker 1>every month. Uh that's what That's what the other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the bookers are about, Like, um, big mushrooms fan

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge mushrooms fan, spice um. And it's just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very silly, like because you could watch that movie

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<v Speaker 1>and go the s j w's got to Dune. We

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<v Speaker 1>would be inaccurate because it's always been Dune. But like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like if you can't. I've even seen people

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<v Speaker 1>like oh it's boring, Like they cast they cast as

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<v Speaker 1>black woman as his character's not and then like they

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<v Speaker 1>reply back to their uh their threaded like I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it as a really good is faithful and like beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and she did a great job. Like yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>just want to get mad, like they the book where

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<v Speaker 1>the first special Boy hero counts how many people he's

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<v Speaker 1>murdered in multiples of Hitler and then kills himself and

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<v Speaker 1>his son becomes a giant worm. Like, it's just I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't participated in much of this because I took my

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<v Speaker 1>headphones off for a while and never quite caught up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a perfect time for some products

0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:40.639
<v Speaker 1>and services in the other things that we've definitely figured

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<v Speaker 1>out already together. Everything area are and we are not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about movies or TV anymore, right or all about

0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that time Alec Baldwin killed that lady. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>we really should have led with this um segment, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually so it's awful. It's hard to lead from

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<v Speaker 1>jokes straight into this story. But yeah, the headline is

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<v Speaker 1>that Alec Baldwin accidentally shot and killed their DP. Yeah,

0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the the you know that meme where it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>galaxy brains, the brains going bigger, Like the tiniest brain

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<v Speaker 1>version of this is Alec Baldwin killed somebody, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the medium one is actually the armor on set killed somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the biggest galaxy brain is actually Alec Baldwin

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<v Speaker 1>helped to kill somebody because he was the producer on

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<v Speaker 1>a movie that deliberately cut corners leading to this person's death.

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<v Speaker 1>In the series of yeah, there's there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>go over here, there's the rights reaction, there's what's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened on set. There is what happened on set

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<v Speaker 1>against the backdrop of the IoTs negotiations. Um, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot and it's been hard. You know, I I Cody

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<v Speaker 1>and I both know a lot of people in the

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment industry. You guys do too, You've lived here, but

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<v Speaker 1>this has just really hit everybody pretty hard. So as

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<v Speaker 1>most people probably are aware or maybe aren't of the

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<v Speaker 1>little details. Um. This set was a somewhat low budget set,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess comparatively speaking, but not really, but they mean

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<v Speaker 1>still tons of money. Um, but they were rushing to

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<v Speaker 1>get production done, especially in case IoTs did strike. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They're halfway through this shoot. There had been multiple multiple

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<v Speaker 1>instances of gun of safety concerns, three misfires I think

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<v Speaker 1>three missfires with this one gun in the week prior. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh even outside of that, they the crew had been

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<v Speaker 1>promised accommodations near set, but instead, once they arrived, they

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<v Speaker 1>were told that they would be housed fifty miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are driving back and forth fifty miles every

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<v Speaker 1>day to set and schedule and safety concerns and the

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<v Speaker 1>morning of the accident. I don't know have the number

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me, but the majority of the crew,

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<v Speaker 1>camera crew walked off, walked off set UM as well

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<v Speaker 1>as yes, the armorers, the people that the props masters

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<v Speaker 1>had left UM. And so instead of meeting the demands

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<v Speaker 1>of their crew or you know, being responsible, they brought

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<v Speaker 1>in local non union props masters and an armorer. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel very bad for this young armor and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel very bad. I have to see the I

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure this is a horrifying moment for these people

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 1>that were these non careers and she's young and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>been brought in for this opportunity, and they're being rushed

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Like I, Ultimately, the responsibility does lie with production,

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<v Speaker 1>and it lies with the a D. The a D

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<v Speaker 1>who apparently had been fired from other sets for the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, like actually on another set of his and

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<v Speaker 1>he has been known as the guy that comes in

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<v Speaker 1>when the real a D leaves, when people leave because

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He's willing to come in and do what

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<v Speaker 1>it takes. And the a D, if you guys don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>is the assistant director. And it's not about directing UM

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the action on camera. It's basically running the set. Your

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<v Speaker 1>a D is the person running the safety. Every a

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<v Speaker 1>D I've worked with is militant about safety, and they

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<v Speaker 1>run the whole cruise. So the buck does stop there.

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<v Speaker 1>But even more than that, the buck stops at the producers,

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<v Speaker 1>I e. Alec Baldwin, who hired this person and made

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<v Speaker 1>that choice. And I'm I am so fucking furious, And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel terrible for him, because my god, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to live with that for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, yeah, you have to live with this for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life. Yeah, I mean it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much that went horribly wrong that shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>back in our cracked days. I interviewed somebody who was

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the most well known armorers in uh

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<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood. Like he's he's worked with Keanu Reeves, he's

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<v Speaker 1>worked with like Tom Cruise, like he's one of he

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<v Speaker 1>not not just like provides Union armors, but also provides weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you have those people who are like the

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<v Speaker 1>proper iotsy armors, it's been decades since a fatal incident

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<v Speaker 1>with a firearm as a result of like a Union armor.

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<v Speaker 1>Um God, I think like maybe a D sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>eighties is the last one I remember hearing about. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's because they have all of these different redundancies. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, when you're doing a scene like this,

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, the barrel of the of the of the

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<v Speaker 1>functional firearm is never supposed to be pointed at a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in scenes when it looks like that's happening, you

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<v Speaker 1>have like the you have it canted to some way,

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<v Speaker 1>especially since like they're pointing at a camera right, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a dangerous set. But number one, you make sure

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<v Speaker 1>the barrel is not pointed directly at a person. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an armorer's job. And number two, even if the barrel

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<v Speaker 1>isn't supposed to be pointed directly at a person, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a sheet of bulletproof plexiglass in between the camera

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<v Speaker 1>and the gun. Um there's a bunch of ships that's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed Like for one thing, the way the transfer of

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<v Speaker 1>the gun was done, the a D just picked it

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<v Speaker 1>up and said cold weapon and handed it to Baldwin.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, the a D is never, ever, ever, fucking

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<v Speaker 1>ever supposed to put a gun, a functional firearm in

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<v Speaker 1>the hands of an actor. That is the job of

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<v Speaker 1>the armor And when the armorers does it, he is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to open the cylinder or drop the magazine, whichever

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of weapon it is, and show you down the barrel.

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<v Speaker 1>The actor is supposed to look down the barrel and see, Okay,

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>there is nothing in this gun. This is not a

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.919
<v Speaker 1>loaded firearm, in order to know that it's a cold weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>Another like, the most fucked up thing about this is

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<v Speaker 1>that it is now coming out so one. For one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some situations in which you might use a

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<v Speaker 1>live round like a functional bullet as opposed to a

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<v Speaker 1>blank UM, and a blank is pretty close to a

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<v Speaker 1>live round, it just doesn't have like a full bullet

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<v Speaker 1>on the end. Um. There are some situations in which

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<v Speaker 1>you would fire a live round from a gun UM

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<v Speaker 1>on a movie set, but you would never keep the

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<v Speaker 1>blanks and the live functional bullets in the same place.

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.560
<v Speaker 1>They were kept in the same place next to each

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 1>other in the case of this. And what's come out

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<v Speaker 1>now is that members of the crew were going out

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<v Speaker 1>and shooting actual ammunition out of these guns off hours

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and that's how Yeah, that's the thing that's coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, it hasn't been hard confirmed, but

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>there's been a couple of articles on it. Because the

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 1>live bullet was in the gun. It went through a

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>person in another person. That's what's so confused, because people

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 1>say it's a live ammunition, or then it's a blank,

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's still live. Here's one thing I need to say, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Robert, clarify one of the things it can't have.

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<v Speaker 1>Because obviously a blank can kill. People have died from blanks.

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:25.880
<v Speaker 1>It has happened before. A blank can absolutely kill someone,

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<v Speaker 1>but not this bullet killed someone and hit another person,

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<v Speaker 1>went through them. A blank will never do that. A

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>blank is not going to pierce another person's body and

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<v Speaker 1>go into a separate person. Yeah, this was an actual

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing. The gosh, there's so much there's so

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 1>many things. You do not need to have a firing

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>gun on set at all at this point, we don't.

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 1>You don't. There are arguments about like, oh, you want

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>that flash, you want this, all of that for the majority,

0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 1>And I've been watching all the seeing all these posts

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>from cinema pographers. It's almost impossible to capture that on camera.

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>They always try, and they almost always do it in

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>post anyway. Um, the training, the fact that it actually

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 1>spooks most actors out and it's much easier. They want

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the noise and the reaction. You can

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>bang something together and it gives that jolt to get

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 1>an authentic performance. It's it's it doesn't make sense. Yeah,

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 1>we are any capacity popular movies, the most popular movies

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 1>in the they're all cd I, Marvel movies. So you

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<v Speaker 1>do a fake gun. I hope that that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>only lesson that's learned, though it seems like no, I know.

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, like I see a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>just do the special effects special effects, Like, yeah, there

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>are other aspects of like the safety of workers on

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>these sets that need to like what I already said

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>about how they left because of the safety conditions in

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 1>general set. One of my issues people being like we

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>should just never have actual guns on set is that, well,

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like saying we should destroy the career

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 1>of all of the iatsy armors who never made a

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>mistake and who in hundreds of movies were perfectly safe

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>because that's what they trained to do. Because a crew

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<v Speaker 1>hired someone who never should have been in armor and

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>wasn't with AATSI like, we should destroy this entire career field, um,

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>because like which I like, I would say I wouldn't,

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>But that's you would still have a need for these

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>skilled people. Um, because there's other types of weapons that

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>are used on set. We're talking specifically about guns that

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 1>would still need to have a professional handling them, but

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>do not need to actively be fired. That's it. Like

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.479
<v Speaker 1>you're not c G eyeing a whole gun in you

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.679
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like, but like the fact that

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.719
<v Speaker 1>there's firing happening shouldn't be happening, do you know what

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean. I mean, that's my perspective. It's been done.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Like I guess my issue would be like this, The

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.719
<v Speaker 1>issue here isn't that, Uh, The issue here is that

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.719
<v Speaker 1>like things that should never have been done if they

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<v Speaker 1>followed the industry standard, were why somebody died here. Absolutely

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 1>absolutely people are missing the bigger picture point of what

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>this is about. Yeah, there's been a bunch of fucking

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Westerns filmed with old timey guns where you don't have

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 1>as many of the options for like sim munitions and

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff with these antique guns. And it's fine because they

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 1>don't do the variety the huge variety of things that

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.719
<v Speaker 1>would horribly awry in this I don't know It's one

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of those things where like, um, I just I'm I'm

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>comprehensively frustrated at every aspect of this because the thing

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that got people killed was that decades of best practices

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>were ignored. Like the people whose jobs are going to

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 1>be eliminated by this switch, which if you, I don't know, fine,

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's the way it always was going to evolve.

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 1>But the people whose jobs are going to be eliminated

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>are the people who spent years developing a series of

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<v Speaker 1>best practices to make this not possible when they are involved,

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>And I I do agree with both of you guys

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>about this, and I agree completely that the energy in

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the outrage is being misspent and again we're missing the

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>actual point of Again again again this is said against

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the backdrop of the Ions negotiations, which is all about

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>this exact thing. I would want to look into, um

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>what removing firing web firing gun. I think it's certainly

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>what actually mean, but I mean, I mean, I would

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>like to look into what that would mean, um in

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>terms of armorers and how that affects their jobs, because

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>my gut would be that there is still other jobs,

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like they would still have a job, you know, it's

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>just changing slightly. However, if I'm wrong, I might I mean,

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong, you know. Um to me, the

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that's but yeah, I agree with you guys. Um. Should

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>we also talk about how the right is reacting to this?

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, how's the rights and guns? Guns don't kill people.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Alec Baldwin with a gun kills people. Yeah, that's okay, gross,

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>but also yeah, but you're missing again, missing the point.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>You're not understanding the way. It's not the fact that

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>he held the gun. It's the choices he made. It's

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>the union busting that kills people. It's it's removing the

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>trained professionals who actually know how to function with the

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>And you could even like they're like the actual fucking

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>if you wanted to take an actual right wing tact

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>on this, that wasn't like completely batshit stupid and wrong.

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>It could be like, well, this is partly what happens

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>when you have a bunch of people who rail against

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>firearms but don't functionally understand them. Because if Alec Baldwin

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>um had any understanding of guns, he would have known

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>instinctively number one, you always check to make sure the

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>gun is loaded. And number two, even if you know

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>what's unloaded, you treat it like a loaded gun, which

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>means not pointing the barrel at a human being. That's

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the actual like if you're if you want to take

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the reasonable gun culture approach, it's that if he had

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>been raised with firearms and understood them in any kind

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of functional capacity, this also wouldn't have happened because you

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>don't point a gun at a person and pull the trigger,

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>because there's no such thing as an unloaded gun. Like that,

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that that's the actual reasonable thing you could take about

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>it as as opposed to what they're what they're doing, well,

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>yeah he's the Trump he's the Trump impression guy. So yeah,

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 1>they're just trying to get their little dunks in. Yeah,

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>every everything about this is just comprehensively heartbreaking, especially since

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>this is like everything turning into a goddamn culture war issue.

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>While a woman who had two children is dead and

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to get to see their mom anymore,

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and she's not going to get to live the remainder

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 1>of her what probably would have been a long life

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>for for what amounts to a stupid cost cutting decision

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>and a series of careless actions. Bio completely a whole

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, A tremendous number of people had to

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:09.719
<v Speaker 1>be careless for this to happen. Um, it's just it sucks,

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.479
<v Speaker 1>really bad. I just now started to feel bad, you know.

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Um No, I didn't just now start to feel bad,

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>but thinking about her camera crew who walked off that day,

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>and she'd been really torn because she'd been advocating and

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>fighting for them and really fighting for the safety conditions

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.760
<v Speaker 1>on set. But it was she was the deep p

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, cinematographer and this was her first DP, like

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>so she needed to stick around and see this project through.

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>But she was in a bad And so then I

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>just thought about all the people that left and how

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>they must feel that the day they walk out this happened.

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>And not that this is in any way their fault.

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>They're doing the thing they need to do, you know,

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>they were in fact trying to stop this from happen,

0:32:51.880 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>stop this from happening. Yeah, it's everything is terrible. And

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>also everything about this is terrible. Yeah, and I don't

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and again and it's so just like everything literally everything,

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the government, climate change, COVID, all of it. You see

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 1>the writing on the wall as to what the problems are,

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and you also see how the people in charge spin

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it or take the wrong point, purposefully obfuskating things so

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that they can continue on, continue on, and things don't change.

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Like will this change the negotiations? I don't know. Will

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>this affect anything in the long run? I don't know.

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean in terms of the actual set conditions that

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>need to be fixed. Um, does that make sense? Yeah,

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm rambling. All right, let's take an ad break, right,

0:33:51.320 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>breather everything, So don't don't yeah, baby, yeah, suck on that.

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I told people to suck on that. Yeah,

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean they can. That was weird, right,

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't cut it out? No, no, no, no, keep

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 1>it in. Um, not necessary contact weird just like maybe

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>not necessary, maybe unnecessary, a little aggressive, not necessarily necessary,

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily Now what you guys got what you want

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>to talk about? Um? I don't know. Uh. Facebook killing everyone?

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>The website? Yeah, the website, the website that is committed

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>to destroying the world. Um, that one. Is it because

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>they want to or because they have to? Because it's

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 1>because destroying the world increases engagement on their platform? Okay,

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>so this does and that's the only way they make money.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Now Yeah, so the world has to go because they're

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>pivoting to kids. Yeah, they are interested. Kids are interested

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 1>in perhaps fire bombing the Facebook offices. Um, which where

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>that to happen? I don't encourage it, but where that

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 1>to happen? These days? I think it would be funny.

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Um where that to happen? Um? Yeah? I like, what

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>how are we doing on that? Is that incitement to

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that cross the line? Where are we ignoring? You? What

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 1>what just just said? Are we bleeping that entire thing?

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Or are we believing that? Did that go too far?

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 1>All I'm gonna say is if things were just Mark

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg would be taken into custody by an international group

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>of shall we say, a vengeance squad. He would be

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>tried in the Hague right where right where um you

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 1>know Herman Garring was tried, uh, And then he would

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>be hung where Herman Garring would have been hung if

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Garring hadn't snuck opiates into an an overdosed in order

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>to avoid um. Anyway, Mark Zuckerberg should be legally executed

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 1>by the international community is what I think actually, along

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.360
<v Speaker 1>with Cheryl Sandberg and most of the most of the

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>people who have been running Facebook for the last decade

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>or yeah, sure, give him a bunch of opiates. Yeah, whatever,

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't care how it goes. One of the fun facts.

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.399
<v Speaker 1>So basically, a bunch of shipload of stuff came out

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>recently about Facebook, perhaps too much, all at once. I

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 1>want to throw that out. All the kind of stuff

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.839
<v Speaker 1>came out on on Monday, all this stuff, I mean,

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's so much to sift through that it's almost

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 1>like people aren't touching it, you know. Anyway, go ahead, Roberts.

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>A lot of journalists are going, but it's going to

0:36:55.480 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>be like the general public. Yeah, there's so much. UM.

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that came out that's most immediately

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 1>relevant is that in April of two thou and twenty UM,

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>like the early days of the pandemic, Facebook internal Facebook

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>employees started looking at the spread of coronavirus related misinformation

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>UM and they found out that if they if they

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 1>limited serial resharers because serial resharers, people who reshare a

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of content, tended to be resharing mostly misinformation. So

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Facebook internal employees were like, hey, what if we uh

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>limited people from boosting content UM that like our news

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>feed predicts kind of falls into this category because that

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff tends to be misinformation, and their early tests showed

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that if they had done this, it would reduce the

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 1>sharing of coronavirus misinformation by thirty eight percent, and Mark

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg said no. Um. The exact quote was from Anna Stepanov,

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>who's director UM, who's a director at Facebook, who was

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.839
<v Speaker 1>supposed to who was like speaking for Zuckerberg. She said,

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Mark doesn't think we could go abroad. We wouldn't launch

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>if there was a material trade off with m s I,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 1>which is like there um uh engagement statistic, so that

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>that's like one of a billion different examples. But like

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 1>they knew that, oh hey we could do this one

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.879
<v Speaker 1>thing that would reduce coronavirus misinformation by but it's going

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 1>to reduce our profitability, so we will not take that step. Yeah,

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 1>it's the it's like with Twitter, how they're like, yeah,

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>we could get rid of some Nazis, but it also

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>get rid of some Republican politicians, so we can't. But

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>at least Twitter put like caveats, you know, or Twitter

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>also does like if you're going to retweet and you

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 1>haven't clicked the link, if you're just knee jerk resharing,

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>they say you haven't read the article yet, could you

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>do that? That's another thing that what's the something whistleblower's

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>name Dayana Facebook? She mentioned that specifically, like like that's

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>been talked about. Um, yeah, so much going through you

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>pointed out, Um a few things that feel true to

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 1>me and are true. So much of this, I mean,

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 1>not just COVID, but just the disinformation in general is

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>because Facebook, in their quote unquote attempt to seem like nonpartisan.

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>They've actively been I mean Mark Zuckerberg has actively been

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>taking meetings, you know, with different members of the Republican Party.

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 1>He routinely courts them, and you know, it's all part

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>of this. It's all part of that positioning and their

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 1>choices that they make. But yes, money is that the

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>thing is the be all end all here and that's

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 1>where they make their money because I know they're focusing

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 1>on they're gonna you know, Facebook for kids, but the

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>youths don't go on Facebook. It's for the olds get

0:39:54.800 --> 0:40:00.439
<v Speaker 1>grabbed with racist ship that they can reach is like there, like, yeah,

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>we're retooling to with the quote that he said, retooling

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>to make serving young adults the north star rather than

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>optimizing for older people and like, so you're just gonna

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 1>like poison kids more instead of poison adults. Like that's

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>the goal, right, Like we already know that, Like Instagram

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 1>is destroying like young girls and uh like all all

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>the things that like these apps are doing by their

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.839
<v Speaker 1>albums them and feeding. It's like if you're so, if

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>you're optimizing for young people instead of older people, then

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 1>you're just getting them earlier. You're fucking them up earlier

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 1>instead of doing it to boomers. So maybe that's not good.

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, all of it's not good. Also, it's not

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>even about um banning topics or removing the topics from Facebook.

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean that's all, but it's also from

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 1>their yes, actively promoting those things, and they know that

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>it increases their bottom line. They know, I will go

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>even further, Katie, they are actively promoting toxic, untrue, and

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 1>violent content because doing so damages the brains of their

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>users in a way that keeps those users on and

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 1>engaged to the website. And so damaging the brains of

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>their users permanently is profitable to Facebook. So they made

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a a distinct, uh documented choice to cause brain damage

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 1>to millions of people in order to abuse their profitability.

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about it through the lens of how this

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>affects us here in America, but also to be unpacked

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and sifted through with all of this is internationally. The

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>influence in other countries is even ethnic cleansings in India

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>and myan mark just as a start, uh in Ethiopia,

0:41:54.520 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>um in in Egypt. H Yeah, pro government propaganda another place,

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, like anyway, it's truly the destruction of the world. Yeah,

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a really good Ryan Brodrick article on his sub stack.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, well, is this a substack or not? And

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 1>his blood garbage day um. Yeah. And and Broderick is

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's kind of reported in some of the same

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>like we we're both some of the only like English

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 1>language writers have written about fucking degola chan, which was

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>like Brazil's eight chan kind of equivalent. It's like a

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>mass shooter fan site. He wrote like a short little

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:41.359
<v Speaker 1>thing about the Facebook papers, um, which you can also find,

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>by the way, if you're interested in kind of learning

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>how to start looking into the Facebook papers protocol you

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.720
<v Speaker 1>go to protocol. If you just type protocol Facebook Papers

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 1>into Google, it'll bring you to protocols. They've got like

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:56.319
<v Speaker 1>an aggregation thing that's aggregating all of the articles so

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>far written about the Facebook papers. It makes it easy

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 1>to kind of see what's actually happening here. Um. But

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Broderick wrote a short little article about this that

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<v Speaker 1>I think gets at how everyone who's been I've been

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>reporting around the edge of this issue, like a bunch

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 1>of people like Ben Collins, like Brandy's a Drawsney, like

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like there's about a million of us. Well, there's at

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>least a few dozen of us who have been like

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>writing around the edges of these stories and trying to

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>like prod at this stuff for a while. And Broderick

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 1>gets that, I think how we're all feeling and about

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 1>how everyone should feel about this, about the Facebook papers

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 1>leak quote. I'll be honest, I'm not sure what to

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<v Speaker 1>do with all this. I'm not sure what more we

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>need to know before something is done, nor am I

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 1>even sure anything can be done now after almost a

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>decade of writing about it and talking about it, I

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>honestly feel number the whole thing. It's why I don't

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 1>write a lot about Facebook and garbage day. There are

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 1>simply other parts of the Internet that need attention. Just

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 1>think about how different things would be if an entire

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>generation of reporters and technologists weren't forced to be unpaid

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 1>janitors for a bloated tech monopoly. My hope is that

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the sheer scale of these leaks isn't too much for

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the average reader or Paul Petician to wrap their heads around.

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>But they haven't affected the company's stock price. But this

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 1>much is clear. Facebook knew all along. Their own employees

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 1>were desperately trying to get anyone inside the company to

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>listen as their products radicalized their own friends and family members,

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and as they were breaking the world. They had an

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 1>army of spokespeople publicly and privately gas lighting and intimidating

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 1>reporters and researchers who were trying to ring the alarm bell.

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 1>They knew all along, and they simply did not give

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a ship. Yeah I don't know. Um yeah, they still don't. Uh.

0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Zuck said, Yeah, what we're seeing is a coordinated efforts

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 1>selectively use leaked documents to paint a false picture of

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>our company. Um did the are the documents false? Yeah? Mark?

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Is everything in here saying such blatant pr bullshit corporate spin?

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And I could say that with confidence because I'm almost

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 1>caught up on succession good good again, and I understand

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 1>how this works, you know, I'm seeing it happen anyway, Katie,

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 1>love that for you, Thank you. I had to contribute something.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I've talked plenty of this episode. I've talked, I've had

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 1>thoughts that we want to end the episode. We're talking

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 1>about the written house thing or now yeah, just sucks

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>as the um Yeah, the judge is um saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they can't refer to as victims as victims, terrorists, terrorists, arsonists.

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>I thought that Republicans hated activist judges. Yeah, it's it's

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:57.280
<v Speaker 1>fun because the argument, which isn't a completely fallacious argument,

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>is that, Okay, if you call them victims, then you

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>are convicting someone while they're in trial on trial, which okay,

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 1>but then you're if you can call them arsonists, which

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 1>none of them are convicted of arson, none of these

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 1>the people he killed or convicted arson, then you are

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>convicting someone else. Even yes, if you were just saying

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the people that he shot, and if that was the

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>only way you allowed anyone to refer to them, I

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>think that would be fine. That's that's at least yes, No,

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>one's arguing that he shot these people. That's accurate, and

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>you're not You're not convicting anyone by saying the people

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 1>that he shot because he objectively shot them. Um. I would,

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I would. I would say, Okay, well that's someone being fair.

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 1>But this is obviously like clearly not that this is

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.520
<v Speaker 1>clearly an activist to call them terrorists instead like the

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like the opposite of what he's trying to avoid

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and also even more intense. Yeah, I'd like to read

0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>this tweet from Ben she In, the Kenosha County judge

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.240
<v Speaker 1>in the Kyle Rittenhouse case. Bruce Schroeder has been serving

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.960
<v Speaker 1>since nine four. He keeps getting re elected to six

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 1>year terms, running unopposed. He's one of those six hundred

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 1>judge elections on your ballot where you're like, who is this?

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Does this matter? It does? Um? Yeah, I think that's

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 1>a very good point and little reminder this man has

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 1>been has run, he's been serving since four and his

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:31.280
<v Speaker 1>rant unopposed. Yeah, I know, it's great. Yeah, that said,

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 1>often the choices between one judge and another judge, both

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of whom are the kind of people who want to

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 1>be judges. Yeah, And how can you know, it's just

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>how can you know? I don't know. I would like

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to see Mark Zuckerberg, Cheryl Sandberg and most of the

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Facebook executives from the last decade or so arrested by

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>an international um tribunal and uh and and executed in

0:47:59.880 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the eg. I think that would be rad I think

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that would be judging the verdict, but the trial. You know,

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>we will get all of the kids on board with

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>your company. If you were hung in the Hague, the

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>kids think that's pot they think that's one d gecks

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>of cool. Yeah, yeah, the Mark real chugy, Yeah, very chuggy.

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 1>If you were to not be hung in the Hague,

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.399
<v Speaker 1>I think we did it. That is that? Yeah, that's

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that's the episode. That's how we're ending this ship. Oh good,

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I love based. Yeah, baste ending. I'm like desperately trying

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to think of some slang to throw at you, but

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think it. You know, there is another

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 1>thing that's just happened recently on the TikTok's that's pretty funny. Um.

0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>The random fucking targeting matrix that is TikTok memes has

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>landed on the Mountain Goats song No Children, which if

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.240
<v Speaker 1>you've ever been in a divorce that nearly killed both parties?

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Is a pretty good song about a divorce that nearly

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:16.759
<v Speaker 1>kills both people involved. UM, and now the kids are

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 1>into it. Yeah, they've landed on an incredibly dark anthem

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>about being like a divorce that cripples you emotionally for

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life American metaphor for kids. That's cool.

0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Listen to the rest of their catalogs, really good music,

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 1>yeah stuff. Yeah, The Mountain Goats have a lot of bangers.

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Not just about one song that's fine, but just like expands,

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, go for the rest of the Goats.

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>They got a song about D and D in there. Yeah,

0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:02.160
<v Speaker 1>great bard. Yeah, TikTok's doing that and also like making

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 1>young girls to like think that they have to rest. Yeah,

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 1>there's lots of stuff that's less good, but I do

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like that. When someone went to I think it was

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Vice went to the Mountain Goats, you know, the main

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.359
<v Speaker 1>guy who was at some point it's been the only

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 1>guy in the Mountain Goats. UM went to him for comment.

0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 1>He was like, yeah, I'm not getting on TikTok, absolutely not.

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing I'm taking no actions as a like all

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.320
<v Speaker 1>these their song goes viral on TikTok and they suddenly

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:33.239
<v Speaker 1>like fucking um Fleetwood Mac gets a TikTok and he's

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 1>just like, no, I am I'm doing that. I am

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.920
<v Speaker 1>fifty four goddamn years old. I'm not getting on TikTok now.

0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to continue doing the thing that Yeah, alright, guys,

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