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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together everything, So don't don't don't. Oh, I did

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Speaker 1: my part today. What else is going on? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I've done all of my work for the week. Oh good, good,

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Speaker 1: good job. What are you gonna do with your time now?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe fish? What kind of fish? Um?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, uh, whatever's whatever's in the creek.

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Speaker 1: I'll just throw needles in the creek until I get

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Speaker 1: a trash. Yeah. So you fish by tossing needles like

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Speaker 1: like shooting them kind of like like like just throwing

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Speaker 1: pile handfuls of them, just handfuls of needles into a

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Speaker 1: creek until I get a fish. Okay, it's like a

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Speaker 1: trap kind of like you put it down and then

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Speaker 1: hope they swim into the needle. Yeah, they swim into

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Speaker 1: the needles. Like how we used to fish, Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: the old times. Yes, you say, like the ancient ancients. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the old days they used to fish with needles. That's

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Speaker 1: how it works. Yeah, basic anthropology here. Well, it's so

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Speaker 1: nice that before we've even started recording, you're done with

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Speaker 1: your work for the week. That's so nice for you. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm done. All right, Well, you guys have a good recording.

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Speaker 1: Wait oh wait, wait, wait oh? How was your weekend?

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Speaker 1: Can I fish too? It was? How was my weekend?

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Speaker 1: What did I do? I don't even know? You can

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Speaker 1: do a party at my house? I did go to

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Speaker 1: a party of your house? Right? How much time is

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Speaker 1: meaningless to? Yeah? Yeah? How's your weekend? Did you go

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Speaker 1: to a party at your house? I did? I threw

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Speaker 1: a party at my house. It's tiring. It's fun. It

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Speaker 1: was tiring parties, am I right? Anyway, Sophie, you how

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Speaker 1: was your weekend? This is fun? This is what people

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Speaker 1: tune in for. Right. I got my flu shot and

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Speaker 1: then I got a fever, and mom hurt, But I

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Speaker 1: got my flu shot. She gives me fever. Thanks, fever, fever,

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Speaker 1: when you touched me fever, when you hold me tight ve.

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Speaker 1: My goal is to pety sing songs on most episodes.

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Speaker 1: Remember when this was a news podcast barely. I've been

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Speaker 1: thinking about that. I've been thinking about the evolution of

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Speaker 1: this show a lot. There's a lot the devolution, that's

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Speaker 1: the right term, because now there's a lot of crossover

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Speaker 1: between what we're doing in all the various other projects.

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Speaker 1: But it's such a nice podcast. Too many pod podcast

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Speaker 1: But like, I like this group of people, you know,

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Speaker 1: and so it's fun. I like talking about the news

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Speaker 1: with you guys. But it is interesting to be like,

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Speaker 1: what are we gonna talk about this week? How do

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Speaker 1: we space ou out other other shows? Who has the

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Speaker 1: time when we all show up and we're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's friends that we get to talk to you about chaos? Um,

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Speaker 1: But it was I was messaging with Robert at some point.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Time is funny like that, um, and

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Speaker 1: recalling that the original mandate for the show was to

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Speaker 1: hopeful that we can start to branch out and do

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Speaker 1: some projects here like that. Maybe one day you guys

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Speaker 1: want to talk quickly about the giant tungsten cube. Um,

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Speaker 1: you go more than anything. So I got no plans.

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Speaker 1: In the crypto world, oh, a minor tungsten shortage, at

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Speaker 1: for reasons of basically just a meme, crypto bros have

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Speaker 1: been buying tungsten cubes. Tungsten is an extremely dense metal

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Speaker 1: you make like army piercing amm o out of it.

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Speaker 1: For one thing, because like a little bit of tungsten,

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Speaker 1: It's just like a weird dense metal. Some people have

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Speaker 1: and they wanted there. They're selling it, but because it's

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Speaker 1: would be a nightmare to actually move anywhere, they're not

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Speaker 1: It don't understand. I don't I don't understand bitcoin mining.

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Speaker 1: If you man in illegal drugs, or if you made

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Speaker 1: That's what all of these like Giant Crypto Transaction are

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Speaker 1: Um So that's all I need to understand. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not nothing else matters. Um. We did a two parter

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Speaker 1: it's just dumb and it's it's stupid. Um uh yep

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Speaker 1: it's it's just all dumb. But the fucking yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: And that's what because like money is stupid and fake.

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Speaker 1: It is it always is, like currency is fiat currency.

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Speaker 1: That's why I like the fucking pressure metal. People are

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Speaker 1: Like making a space suit? Then gold's worth nothing like exactly,

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Speaker 1: But maybe the cube isn't worth it. Yeah, maybe the

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's all very dumb, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: because that's how capitalism works, which is why Tim Pool

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Speaker 1: it's it will clear up an enormous amount of important

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Speaker 1: But that's the recommendation, and I'll do it. You have

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Speaker 1: to force yourself to rece myself to do everything. Robert,

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Speaker 1: Gardening is vastly better anyway. We've we've drifted from and

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Speaker 1: about succession later? Because I'm finally yes, we may? Um?

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Speaker 1: about capitalism, then rich people would start off disadvantage and

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spoil anything. Um. The statement if Squid

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Speaker 1: So so what's your point, Tim? But um, and this

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Speaker 1: from cinema pographers. It's almost impossible to capture that on camera.

423
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: They always try, and they almost always do it in

424
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: post anyway. Um, the training, the fact that it actually

425
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: spooks most actors out and it's much easier. They want

426
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: to talk about the noise and the reaction. You can

427
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: bang something together and it gives that jolt to get

428
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: an authentic performance. It's it's it doesn't make sense. Yeah,

429
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: we are any capacity popular movies, the most popular movies

430
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: in the they're all cd I, Marvel movies. So you

431
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: do a fake gun. I hope that that's not the

432
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: only lesson that's learned, though it seems like no, I know.

433
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I see a lot of like

434
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: just do the special effects special effects, Like, yeah, there

435
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: are other aspects of like the safety of workers on

436
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: these sets that need to like what I already said

437
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: about how they left because of the safety conditions in

438
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: general set. One of my issues people being like we

439
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: should just never have actual guns on set is that, well,

440
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of like saying we should destroy the career

441
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: of all of the iatsy armors who never made a

442
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: mistake and who in hundreds of movies were perfectly safe

443
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: because that's what they trained to do. Because a crew

444
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: hired someone who never should have been in armor and

445
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: wasn't with AATSI like, we should destroy this entire career field, um,

446
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: because like which I like, I would say I wouldn't,

447
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: But that's you would still have a need for these

448
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: skilled people. Um, because there's other types of weapons that

449
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: are used on set. We're talking specifically about guns that

450
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: would still need to have a professional handling them, but

451
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: do not need to actively be fired. That's it. Like

452
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: you're not c G eyeing a whole gun in you

453
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, but like the fact that

454
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: there's firing happening shouldn't be happening, do you know what

455
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, that's my perspective. It's been done.

456
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Like I guess my issue would be like this, The

457
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: issue here isn't that, Uh, The issue here is that

458
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: like things that should never have been done if they

459
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: followed the industry standard, were why somebody died here. Absolutely

460
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: absolutely people are missing the bigger picture point of what

461
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: this is about. Yeah, there's been a bunch of fucking

462
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: Westerns filmed with old timey guns where you don't have

463
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: as many of the options for like sim munitions and

464
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: stuff with these antique guns. And it's fine because they

465
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: don't do the variety the huge variety of things that

466
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: would horribly awry in this I don't know It's one

467
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: of those things where like, um, I just I'm I'm

468
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: comprehensively frustrated at every aspect of this because the thing

469
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: that got people killed was that decades of best practices

470
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: were ignored. Like the people whose jobs are going to

471
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: be eliminated by this switch, which if you, I don't know, fine,

472
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe that's the way it always was going to evolve.

473
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: But the people whose jobs are going to be eliminated

474
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: are the people who spent years developing a series of

475
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: best practices to make this not possible when they are involved,

476
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: And I I do agree with both of you guys

477
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: about this, and I agree completely that the energy in

478
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: the outrage is being misspent and again we're missing the

479
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: actual point of Again again again this is said against

480
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: the backdrop of the Ions negotiations, which is all about

481
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: this exact thing. I would want to look into, um

482
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: what removing firing web firing gun. I think it's certainly

483
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: what actually mean, but I mean, I mean, I would

484
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: like to look into what that would mean, um in

485
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: terms of armorers and how that affects their jobs, because

486
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: my gut would be that there is still other jobs,

487
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: like they would still have a job, you know, it's

488
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: just changing slightly. However, if I'm wrong, I might I mean,

489
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, you know. Um to me, the

490
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: that's but yeah, I agree with you guys. Um. Should

491
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: we also talk about how the right is reacting to this?

492
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: Oh God, how's the rights and guns? Guns don't kill people.

493
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin with a gun kills people. Yeah, that's okay, gross,

494
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: but also yeah, but you're missing again, missing the point.

495
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: You're not understanding the way. It's not the fact that

496
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: he held the gun. It's the choices he made. It's

497
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: the union busting that kills people. It's it's removing the

498
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: trained professionals who actually know how to function with the

499
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: And you could even like they're like the actual fucking

500
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: if you wanted to take an actual right wing tact

501
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: on this, that wasn't like completely batshit stupid and wrong.

502
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: It could be like, well, this is partly what happens

503
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: when you have a bunch of people who rail against

504
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: firearms but don't functionally understand them. Because if Alec Baldwin

505
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: um had any understanding of guns, he would have known

506
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: instinctively number one, you always check to make sure the

507
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: gun is loaded. And number two, even if you know

508
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: what's unloaded, you treat it like a loaded gun, which

509
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: means not pointing the barrel at a human being. That's

510
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the actual like if you're if you want to take

511
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: the reasonable gun culture approach, it's that if he had

512
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: been raised with firearms and understood them in any kind

513
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: of functional capacity, this also wouldn't have happened because you

514
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: don't point a gun at a person and pull the trigger,

515
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: because there's no such thing as an unloaded gun. Like that,

516
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: that that's the actual reasonable thing you could take about

517
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: it as as opposed to what they're what they're doing, well,

518
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: yeah he's the Trump he's the Trump impression guy. So yeah,

519
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: they're just trying to get their little dunks in. Yeah,

520
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: every everything about this is just comprehensively heartbreaking, especially since

521
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: this is like everything turning into a goddamn culture war issue.

522
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: While a woman who had two children is dead and

523
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: they're not going to get to see their mom anymore,

524
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: and she's not going to get to live the remainder

525
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: of her what probably would have been a long life

526
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: for for what amounts to a stupid cost cutting decision

527
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: and a series of careless actions. Bio completely a whole

528
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: lot of people, A tremendous number of people had to

529
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: be careless for this to happen. Um, it's just it sucks,

530
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: really bad. I just now started to feel bad, you know.

531
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Um No, I didn't just now start to feel bad,

532
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: but thinking about her camera crew who walked off that day,

533
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: and she'd been really torn because she'd been advocating and

534
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: fighting for them and really fighting for the safety conditions

535
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: on set. But it was she was the deep p

536
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, cinematographer and this was her first DP, like

537
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: so she needed to stick around and see this project through.

538
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: But she was in a bad And so then I

539
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: just thought about all the people that left and how

540
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: they must feel that the day they walk out this happened.

541
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: And not that this is in any way their fault.

542
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: They're doing the thing they need to do, you know,

543
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: they were in fact trying to stop this from happen,

544
00:32:51,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: stop this from happening. Yeah, it's everything is terrible. And

545
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: also everything about this is terrible. Yeah, and I don't

546
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: and again and it's so just like everything literally everything,

547
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: the government, climate change, COVID, all of it. You see

548
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: the writing on the wall as to what the problems are,

549
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: and you also see how the people in charge spin

550
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: it or take the wrong point, purposefully obfuskating things so

551
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: that they can continue on, continue on, and things don't change.

552
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Like will this change the negotiations? I don't know. Will

553
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: this affect anything in the long run? I don't know.

554
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of the actual set conditions that

555
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: need to be fixed. Um, does that make sense? Yeah,

556
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm rambling. All right, let's take an ad break, right,

557
00:33:51,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: breather everything, So don't don't yeah, baby, yeah, suck on that.

558
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why I told people to suck on that. Yeah,

559
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they can. That was weird, right,

560
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: I shouldn't cut it out? No, no, no, no, keep

561
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: it in. Um, not necessary contact weird just like maybe

562
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: not necessary, maybe unnecessary, a little aggressive, not necessarily necessary,

563
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily Now what you guys got what you want

564
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: to talk about? Um? I don't know. Uh. Facebook killing everyone?

565
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: The website? Yeah, the website, the website that is committed

566
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: to destroying the world. Um, that one. Is it because

567
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: they want to or because they have to? Because it's

568
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: because destroying the world increases engagement on their platform? Okay,

569
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: so this does and that's the only way they make money.

570
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: Now Yeah, so the world has to go because they're

571
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: pivoting to kids. Yeah, they are interested. Kids are interested

572
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: in perhaps fire bombing the Facebook offices. Um, which where

573
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: that to happen? I don't encourage it, but where that

574
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: to happen? These days? I think it would be funny.

575
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: Um where that to happen? Um? Yeah? I like, what

576
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: how are we doing on that? Is that incitement to

577
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: that cross the line? Where are we ignoring? You? What

578
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: what just just said? Are we bleeping that entire thing?

579
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Or are we believing that? Did that go too far?

580
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: All I'm gonna say is if things were just Mark

581
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg would be taken into custody by an international group

582
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: of shall we say, a vengeance squad. He would be

583
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: tried in the Hague right where right where um you

584
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: know Herman Garring was tried, uh, And then he would

585
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: be hung where Herman Garring would have been hung if

586
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: Garring hadn't snuck opiates into an an overdosed in order

587
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: to avoid um. Anyway, Mark Zuckerberg should be legally executed

588
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: by the international community is what I think actually, along

589
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: with Cheryl Sandberg and most of the most of the

590
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: people who have been running Facebook for the last decade

591
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: or yeah, sure, give him a bunch of opiates. Yeah, whatever,

592
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't care how it goes. One of the fun facts.

593
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: So basically, a bunch of shipload of stuff came out

594
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: recently about Facebook, perhaps too much, all at once. I

595
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: want to throw that out. All the kind of stuff

596
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: came out on on Monday, all this stuff, I mean,

597
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: and it's so much to sift through that it's almost

598
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: like people aren't touching it, you know. Anyway, go ahead, Roberts.

599
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: A lot of journalists are going, but it's going to

600
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: be like the general public. Yeah, there's so much. UM.

601
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: One of the things that came out that's most immediately

602
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: relevant is that in April of two thou and twenty UM,

603
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: like the early days of the pandemic, Facebook internal Facebook

604
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: employees started looking at the spread of coronavirus related misinformation

605
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: UM and they found out that if they if they

606
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: limited serial resharers because serial resharers, people who reshare a

607
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: lot of content, tended to be resharing mostly misinformation. So

608
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: Facebook internal employees were like, hey, what if we uh

609
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: limited people from boosting content UM that like our news

610
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: feed predicts kind of falls into this category because that

611
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: stuff tends to be misinformation, and their early tests showed

612
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: that if they had done this, it would reduce the

613
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: sharing of coronavirus misinformation by thirty eight percent, and Mark

614
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg said no. Um. The exact quote was from Anna Stepanov,

615
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: who's director UM, who's a director at Facebook, who was

616
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: supposed to who was like speaking for Zuckerberg. She said,

617
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: Mark doesn't think we could go abroad. We wouldn't launch

618
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: if there was a material trade off with m s I,

619
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: which is like there um uh engagement statistic, so that

620
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: that's like one of a billion different examples. But like

621
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: they knew that, oh hey we could do this one

622
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: thing that would reduce coronavirus misinformation by but it's going

623
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: to reduce our profitability, so we will not take that step. Yeah,

624
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: it's the it's like with Twitter, how they're like, yeah,

625
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: we could get rid of some Nazis, but it also

626
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: get rid of some Republican politicians, so we can't. But

627
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: at least Twitter put like caveats, you know, or Twitter

628
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: also does like if you're going to retweet and you

629
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: haven't clicked the link, if you're just knee jerk resharing,

630
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: they say you haven't read the article yet, could you

631
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: do that? That's another thing that what's the something whistleblower's

632
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: name Dayana Facebook? She mentioned that specifically, like like that's

633
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Speaker 1: been talked about. Um, yeah, so much going through you

634
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: pointed out, Um a few things that feel true to

635
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: me and are true. So much of this, I mean,

636
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: not just COVID, but just the disinformation in general is

637
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: because Facebook, in their quote unquote attempt to seem like nonpartisan.

638
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: They've actively been I mean Mark Zuckerberg has actively been

639
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: taking meetings, you know, with different members of the Republican Party.

640
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: He routinely courts them, and you know, it's all part

641
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: of this. It's all part of that positioning and their

642
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: choices that they make. But yes, money is that the

643
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: thing is the be all end all here and that's

644
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: where they make their money because I know they're focusing

645
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: on they're gonna you know, Facebook for kids, but the

646
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: youths don't go on Facebook. It's for the olds get

647
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: grabbed with racist ship that they can reach is like there, like, yeah,

648
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: we're retooling to with the quote that he said, retooling

649
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: to make serving young adults the north star rather than

650
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: optimizing for older people and like, so you're just gonna

651
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: like poison kids more instead of poison adults. Like that's

652
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: the goal, right, Like we already know that, Like Instagram

653
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: is destroying like young girls and uh like all all

654
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: the things that like these apps are doing by their

655
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: albums them and feeding. It's like if you're so, if

656
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: you're optimizing for young people instead of older people, then

657
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: you're just getting them earlier. You're fucking them up earlier

658
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: instead of doing it to boomers. So maybe that's not good.

659
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, all of it's not good. Also, it's not

660
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: even about um banning topics or removing the topics from Facebook.

661
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's all, but it's also from

662
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: their yes, actively promoting those things, and they know that

663
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: it increases their bottom line. They know, I will go

664
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: even further, Katie, they are actively promoting toxic, untrue, and

665
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: violent content because doing so damages the brains of their

666
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: users in a way that keeps those users on and

667
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: engaged to the website. And so damaging the brains of

668
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: their users permanently is profitable to Facebook. So they made

669
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: a a distinct, uh documented choice to cause brain damage

670
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: to millions of people in order to abuse their profitability.

671
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: We're talking about it through the lens of how this

672
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: affects us here in America, but also to be unpacked

673
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: and sifted through with all of this is internationally. The

674
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: influence in other countries is even ethnic cleansings in India

675
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: and myan mark just as a start, uh in Ethiopia,

676
00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: um in in Egypt. H Yeah, pro government propaganda another place,

677
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, like anyway, it's truly the destruction of the world. Yeah,

678
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: there's a really good Ryan Brodrick article on his sub stack.

679
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: I think, well, is this a substack or not? And

680
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: his blood garbage day um. Yeah. And and Broderick is

681
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: someone who's kind of reported in some of the same

682
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: like we we're both some of the only like English

683
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: language writers have written about fucking degola chan, which was

684
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: like Brazil's eight chan kind of equivalent. It's like a

685
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: mass shooter fan site. He wrote like a short little

686
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: thing about the Facebook papers, um, which you can also find,

687
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're interested in kind of learning

688
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: how to start looking into the Facebook papers protocol you

689
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: go to protocol. If you just type protocol Facebook Papers

690
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: into Google, it'll bring you to protocols. They've got like

691
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: an aggregation thing that's aggregating all of the articles so

692
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: far written about the Facebook papers. It makes it easy

693
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: to kind of see what's actually happening here. Um. But

694
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Broderick wrote a short little article about this that

695
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: I think gets at how everyone who's been I've been

696
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: reporting around the edge of this issue, like a bunch

697
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: of people like Ben Collins, like Brandy's a Drawsney, like

698
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: like there's about a million of us. Well, there's at

699
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: least a few dozen of us who have been like

700
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: writing around the edges of these stories and trying to

701
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: like prod at this stuff for a while. And Broderick

702
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: gets that, I think how we're all feeling and about

703
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: how everyone should feel about this, about the Facebook papers

704
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: leak quote. I'll be honest, I'm not sure what to

705
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: do with all this. I'm not sure what more we

706
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: need to know before something is done, nor am I

707
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: even sure anything can be done now after almost a

708
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: decade of writing about it and talking about it, I

709
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: honestly feel number the whole thing. It's why I don't

710
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: write a lot about Facebook and garbage day. There are

711
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: simply other parts of the Internet that need attention. Just

712
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: think about how different things would be if an entire

713
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: generation of reporters and technologists weren't forced to be unpaid

714
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: janitors for a bloated tech monopoly. My hope is that

715
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: the sheer scale of these leaks isn't too much for

716
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: the average reader or Paul Petician to wrap their heads around.

717
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: But they haven't affected the company's stock price. But this

718
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: much is clear. Facebook knew all along. Their own employees

719
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: were desperately trying to get anyone inside the company to

720
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: listen as their products radicalized their own friends and family members,

721
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: and as they were breaking the world. They had an

722
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: army of spokespeople publicly and privately gas lighting and intimidating

723
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: reporters and researchers who were trying to ring the alarm bell.

724
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: They knew all along, and they simply did not give

725
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: a ship. Yeah I don't know. Um yeah, they still don't. Uh.

726
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: Zuck said, Yeah, what we're seeing is a coordinated efforts

727
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: selectively use leaked documents to paint a false picture of

728
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: our company. Um did the are the documents false? Yeah? Mark?

729
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Is everything in here saying such blatant pr bullshit corporate spin?

730
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: And I could say that with confidence because I'm almost

731
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: caught up on succession good good again, and I understand

732
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: how this works, you know, I'm seeing it happen anyway, Katie,

733
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: love that for you, Thank you. I had to contribute something.

734
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: I've talked plenty of this episode. I've talked, I've had

735
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: thoughts that we want to end the episode. We're talking

736
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: about the written house thing or now yeah, just sucks

737
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: as the um Yeah, the judge is um saying that

738
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: they can't refer to as victims as victims, terrorists, terrorists, arsonists.

739
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: I thought that Republicans hated activist judges. Yeah, it's it's

740
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: fun because the argument, which isn't a completely fallacious argument,

741
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: is that, Okay, if you call them victims, then you

742
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: are convicting someone while they're in trial on trial, which okay,

743
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: but then you're if you can call them arsonists, which

744
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: none of them are convicted of arson, none of these

745
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: the people he killed or convicted arson, then you are

746
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: convicting someone else. Even yes, if you were just saying

747
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: the people that he shot, and if that was the

748
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: only way you allowed anyone to refer to them, I

749
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: think that would be fine. That's that's at least yes, No,

750
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: one's arguing that he shot these people. That's accurate, and

751
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: you're not You're not convicting anyone by saying the people

752
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: that he shot because he objectively shot them. Um. I would,

753
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: I would. I would say, Okay, well that's someone being fair.

754
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: But this is obviously like clearly not that this is

755
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: clearly an activist to call them terrorists instead like the

756
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: it's like the opposite of what he's trying to avoid

757
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: and also even more intense. Yeah, I'd like to read

758
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: this tweet from Ben she In, the Kenosha County judge

759
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: in the Kyle Rittenhouse case. Bruce Schroeder has been serving

760
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: since nine four. He keeps getting re elected to six

761
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: year terms, running unopposed. He's one of those six hundred

762
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: judge elections on your ballot where you're like, who is this?

763
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: Does this matter? It does? Um? Yeah, I think that's

764
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: a very good point and little reminder this man has

765
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: been has run, he's been serving since four and his

766
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: rant unopposed. Yeah, I know, it's great. Yeah, that said,

767
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: often the choices between one judge and another judge, both

768
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: of whom are the kind of people who want to

769
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: be judges. Yeah, And how can you know, it's just

770
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: how can you know? I don't know. I would like

771
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: to see Mark Zuckerberg, Cheryl Sandberg and most of the

772
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: Facebook executives from the last decade or so arrested by

773
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: an international um tribunal and uh and and executed in

774
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: the eg. I think that would be rad I think

775
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: that would be judging the verdict, but the trial. You know,

776
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: we will get all of the kids on board with

777
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: your company. If you were hung in the Hague, the

778
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: kids think that's pot they think that's one d gecks

779
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: of cool. Yeah, yeah, the Mark real chugy, Yeah, very chuggy.

780
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: If you were to not be hung in the Hague,

781
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: I think we did it. That is that? Yeah, that's

782
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: that's the episode. That's how we're ending this ship. Oh good,

783
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: I love based. Yeah, baste ending. I'm like desperately trying

784
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: to think of some slang to throw at you, but

785
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think it. You know, there is another

786
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: thing that's just happened recently on the TikTok's that's pretty funny. Um.

787
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: The random fucking targeting matrix that is TikTok memes has

788
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: landed on the Mountain Goats song No Children, which if

789
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: you've ever been in a divorce that nearly killed both parties?

790
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: Is a pretty good song about a divorce that nearly

791
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: kills both people involved. UM, and now the kids are

792
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, they've landed on an incredibly dark anthem

793
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: about being like a divorce that cripples you emotionally for

794
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: the rest of your life American metaphor for kids. That's cool.

795
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: Listen to the rest of their catalogs, really good music,

796
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: yeah stuff. Yeah, The Mountain Goats have a lot of bangers.

797
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: Not just about one song that's fine, but just like expands,

798
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, go for the rest of the Goats.

799
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: They got a song about D and D in there. Yeah,

800
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: great bard. Yeah, TikTok's doing that and also like making

801
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: young girls to like think that they have to rest. Yeah,

802
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: there's lots of stuff that's less good, but I do

803
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: like that. When someone went to I think it was

804
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: Vice went to the Mountain Goats, you know, the main

805
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: guy who was at some point it's been the only

806
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: guy in the Mountain Goats. UM went to him for comment.

807
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I'm not getting on TikTok, absolutely not.

808
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm taking no actions as a like all

809
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: these their song goes viral on TikTok and they suddenly

810
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: like fucking um Fleetwood Mac gets a TikTok and he's

811
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: just like, no, I am I'm doing that. I am

812
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: fifty four goddamn years old. I'm not getting on TikTok now.

813
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm just going to continue doing the thing that Yeah, alright, guys,

814
00:50:48,400 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: come back next at where by oh wow bye, weeping

815
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