1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Well, before summer is officially over, I wanted 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: to share a delightful conversation I recently had with the 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: one and only Michelle Peiffer. I don't know about you all, 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: but I think Michelle is pretty amazing. She's had a 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: remarkable career in film with iconic roles and scarface, The 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Witches of Eastwick, The Fabulous Baker Boys, which I really 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: want to rewatch soon, and the Age of Innocence. This 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: past spring, she did an incredible job playing Betty Ford 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: and Showtime star studded political drama The First Lady. What 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: is it you'd like me to do? Your family wants 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: you to go to a rehabilitation center for a drug 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: and alcohol addiction. I am not. I am the First Lady. 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: I am not a drug addict, and I am certainly 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: not an alcoholic. Well, recently, she has stepped out of 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: the Hollywood glare, launching a fragrance brand called Henry Rose, 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: and the backstory of that is really fascinating. We talked 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: about all of it, her career aging in Hollywood, her 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: new endeavor, and so much more. It's the perfect thing 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: to tide you over until our new season begins on 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: September twenty nine, and we have got a lot of 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: great conversations in store. But first, here's Michelle. Michelle, you 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: do such a remarkable job portraying Betty Ford in Showtimes 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: The first lady, What was your reaction when you were 24 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: approached about this role? It was a very visceral one. 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: And I didn't know much about Betty Ford other than 26 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: the fact other than of course, her struggles with drug 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: addiction and alcoholism, and and the fact that she founded 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: the Betty for Treatment Center and that and Susan Bart 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: was directing, already attached, Viola Davis was Flay, Michelle Obama 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: and also producing, and I felt, wow, that's an amazing team. Um, 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: we hadn't cast eleanor yet, but I figured they were 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: going to get somebody pretty great, and they did with 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Jillian Uh. And so I did something I never do 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: and I literally said yes on the phone with Suzanne Bearer, 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: and um, I'm not sure. I hadn't even read anything yet. 36 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: I was just so honored, honestly, and felt so privileged 37 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: to have that opportunity. And then and then once I 38 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: started to dig into her story, her um and all 39 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: of the layers of who she was, Um, I got 40 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: really scared and I thought, what have I gotten myself into? 41 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, the clock was ticking and 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: we you know, not all of the scripts were written, 43 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: and so we all sort of rolled up our sleeves 44 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: and um. For me, it was really important to really 45 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: be as accurate it as we could with her story, 46 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: because it's interesting enough on its own, you don't really 47 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: have to embellish it. It made me fall in love 48 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: with Betty Ford all over again. And she was such 49 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: a remarkable woman. And before we talk about all her qualities, 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: how did you prepare for the role, Michelle? Did you 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: read a lot of books? Did you watch video tape 52 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: of her? Did you watch your speeches? How did you 53 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: immerse yourself into her life? Well, I actually have, you know, 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: we recently moved in, so I all of my with 55 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: all of my post it's and you know, I mean, 56 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: it's really like a treasure hunt always and and every 57 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: script is different which takes you on a different journey 58 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: and demands different things of you. And of course I 59 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: worked with the with the great great Tim Monic dialect coach. 60 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: She's just amazing. And her accent was a little tricky 61 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: because it was sort of not pure. Um. It was 62 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: a little southern and in a little Midwestern and um, 63 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: and of course you know, brilliant wigs and amazing makeup 64 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: and hair people and the costumes and it all just 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: sort of comes together. You have to get over the 66 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: hurdle though, of you're not going to look exactly like 67 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: the person. And when I did Ruth made up, I 68 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: I you know, I put so much pressure on myself 69 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: that I didn't look so much like her. And weirdly enough, 70 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: you end up getting kind of close, I mean close 71 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: enough so that you capture their their essence. So and 72 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: then it was really just there's a ton of footage 73 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: out there, interviews that she's she gave, speeches that she gave, 74 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: dancing with Tony and Landam. I mean, it's just crazy, um, 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: the things that she did. Um, you know, she was 76 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: just kind of big troublemaker. And anyway, I loved researching her. 77 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: I fell in love with her as well. Um, everyone 78 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: who had seen this says exactly the same thing. They 79 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: didn't know, They had no idea. Um, her full story 80 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: and how impactful she was in the White House and 81 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: what she did for you know, women and breast cancer, 82 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: screening and and and and saved thousands of lives. Um. 83 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: And what she did for you know, lifting the stigma 84 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: off of addiction and alcoholism and allowing people, enabling them 85 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: to come forward and actually talk about it and get 86 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: the help that they need. And you know, she was 87 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: a liberal Republican who was pro choice, who became first 88 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: lady who took on a feminist agenda and was really 89 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: one of the was one of the first first ladies 90 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: to really speak out publicly and differ with with her husband, 91 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 1: um and sometimes to the detriment of career. Um. And 92 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: you know her impact and you know, and they weren't 93 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: even in a full term, I don't think. I think 94 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: it was a couple of years and um. And then 95 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: she obviously continued on with her work at the Betty 96 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: Ford Center. She was born in Chicago but raised in 97 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Grand Rapids, Michigan. And while she studied dance with Martha Graham, 98 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: her dreams of being a professional dancer were never quite realized. 99 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: In some ways, her destiny was determined by the limitations 100 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: that were put on women of her era. Did you 101 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: find that interesting because I think with all these first ladies, 102 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: you almost see the evolution of women coming into their 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: own and in a way, Betty had to straddle the 104 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: expectations of a traditional wife and mother, the opportunities and 105 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: the activism that was happening at the same time. Yeah, 106 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: and imagine having to navigate that under a microscope. And um, 107 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I think that with the exception of 108 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: Eleanor Roosevelt, you know, our three, you know, I think 109 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: Betty and Michelle, from what I understand, Um, we're not 110 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: that keen maybe to go to the White House, um 111 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: and um. And it's also the thing that Jerry Ford loved. 112 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean, look, Jerry Ford. First of all, he married 113 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: a divorcee knowing he was going to be running for office. 114 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he does that not then, I mean, you 115 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: were considered a black widow and it was this sort 116 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: of shroud of shame that you had to carry with you. 117 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: And she know she did that. She actually, um divorced 118 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: her husband at a very young age and she um, yes, 119 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: she wanted to be a dancer, and then she got 120 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: her own apartment and she wasn't really incredibly independent when 121 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: she met Jerry, and he loved that about her. And 122 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: then and he must have seen something in her that 123 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: I felt that she would make a good first lady. Um. 124 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: Either that or he was just desperately in love with her. 125 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I think a little both. But it was her. Shortly 126 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: after she got into the White House, it was within 127 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: months she was diagnosed with breast cancer and she saw Um, 128 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: she saw how impactful she could be in her position, 129 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: and I think it was that thing. It was like 130 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: an awakening for her. But she, you know, ruffled a 131 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: lot of feathers and I think um but ultimately was 132 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: more popular and ben Jerry was because she just spoke 133 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: the truth and when people really responded to she just 134 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: said it as it is. There's a great scene in 135 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: the movie where she has put together a press release 136 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: about her breast cancer diagnosis and potential nystectomy and the 137 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: press secretary is so taken aback and says, but this 138 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: is so personal, Mrs Ford, and Betty says, yes, it is, 139 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: and that's why I get to decide how to handle it. 140 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: It was such a great scene because it showed this 141 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: steely determination that really existed in Betty. I mean, she 142 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: was she was tough and had to stand out to 143 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people. A lot of other women at 144 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: the time might have might have crumbled and said, okay, 145 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: me and culpa, I'll do it your way, but she refused. 146 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: She did, and there were a couple. There was one 147 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: time where she did, and that was when she was 148 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: fighting for the the e r A ratification and UM, 149 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: and it really was threatening his his chances of reelection UM. 150 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: And I think she also realized more importantly that the 151 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: bad press it was getting could ultimately actually hurt the 152 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: cause and she wasn't really helping. So that was one incident. 153 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: But but other than that, you're right, Um, there was 154 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: something that I really wanted to get into the show, 155 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: but there was so much to tell about her that 156 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: we really had to pick and choose. And it was 157 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: towards the end, and it was during Jerry's um Re 158 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: election campaign and they were traveling and they were on 159 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: the road and there was a women's rights march and 160 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: Betty brought you know, and they all had these outfits 161 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: which you see in the film were so cute, and 162 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: they she brought her outlet and she had every intention 163 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: of marching in this event, and I believe that was 164 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: when I think Jerry came to her and asked her 165 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: not to, and Um, she ultimately did. Though once they 166 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: left office, she actually got to March Yeah More with 167 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: the beautiful and Charmie Michelle Feiffer right after this. It 168 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: was interesting, Michelle for me to see there was a 169 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: real backlash against not only what Betty was doing, but 170 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: what she was standing for. When Ronald Reagan arrived on 171 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: the scene. There was backlash within the Republican Party for sure. 172 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: Well there was backlash from the get go with her, 173 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: so UM, but I think that towards the end, if 174 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna get this right, I think that towards 175 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: the end, his bull started really tipping. Her. Polls were high, 176 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: much higher than his. Her approval writing UM, and they though, yeah, 177 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan came in and really appealed to the really 178 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: far right. And UM, I mean, I don't know, I 179 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: have a suspision because that, and you know, he ultimately, 180 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: Jerry ultimately ended up losing the election. But I think 181 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: a lot of it also had to do with the 182 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: partnering of Nixon. I think, UM, and I think Betty 183 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: is right that it did UM leave people with the 184 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: impression that perhaps he was complicit and and he he wasn't. 185 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: But what was going on at the time, as people 186 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: really looking for somebody to trust that they were they 187 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: were so mistrustful after Watergate, and um, I think it 188 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: was sort of, you know, a time when they had 189 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: really felt betrayed by the government and and they and 190 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: I think that's what they liked about Betting. That's what 191 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: made her so popular, is because when somebody is that 192 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: outspoken and they just talked, they and they go up 193 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: against the tide and they really are just speaking for 194 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: the people, um and really trying to make change to 195 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: help the public, and it's not political. They respond to that. 196 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: And I think maybe Jerry fell into that trap rather 197 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: than just really um being just speaking his truth, because 198 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: the truth is he supported the e r A when 199 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: he was in Congress, and but I think, you know, maybe, 200 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe he lost his way. Well, there 201 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure to move towards the right 202 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: when Ronald Reagan arrived on the scene. So there was 203 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: this friction between standing up for things that would be 204 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: beneficial to women and the more traditional right wing arm 205 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party which Reagan represented. So ultimately Jerry 206 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Ford did get the nomination, but it was clear Ronald 207 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: Reagan had arrived right right, right all right, I'm speaking 208 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: about ultimately, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right right right. 209 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: So Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, um, certainly don't age well. 210 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: The decare depiction probably there are many people who don't 211 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: think they aged well anyway. But they didn't quite know 212 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: what to do with Betty, did they? No? And she said, 213 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: she says to Jerry, she says, look, okay, I'll go 214 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: to the White House, but I'm going to go as myself, 215 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and I think she says that 216 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: they don't like it, they can kick me out, and 217 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, and that's really really how she was. And 218 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of her. I don't know, I 219 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: sort of think of Midwestern people like that. They have 220 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: this sort of this backbone in this sense of integrity 221 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and the sense of right and wrong, and that's sort 222 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: of what guides them, um and um. And it's a 223 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: way of being brought up. But it's almost in your DNA. 224 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: And I believe that's who Betty thought Jerry was, and 225 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: I think at his core he was. But yeah, no, 226 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: they didn't. They just didn't know what to do with 227 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: her at all. She just would not do what she 228 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: was told. They are portrayed in such a a opportunistics 229 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: smarmie kind of you know, I guess their political operatives 230 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: and that's what they are. Or were operators handlers handlers. Yeah, 231 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: they couldn't take their eye off the prize, and the 232 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: prize was staying in power. Right. Was it interesting for 233 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: you to see what life was like for each of 234 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: these women, how and how they were all able to, 235 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: I think, redefine the role of first lady within the 236 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: context of the times they were living in. I think 237 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: the common the sort of theme that runs through this piece, 238 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: um and sort of a strong connecting tissue, is is 239 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: each of these women finding their voice within the confines 240 00:16:53,840 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: and the restrictions, UM, and the limitations the expectations of 241 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: being the first lady and finding that voice, nurturing that voice, 242 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: and then using their platform, as you know, to to 243 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: really influence other women and to help other women, UM 244 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: take power of their lives. It's it's it's remarkable, you know, 245 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: kind of watching that journey. I mean, I can only 246 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: imagine stepping into that role, and especially when with for 247 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: for Betty, I mean at least with Michelle and elanor 248 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: they you know, they sort of had some time to 249 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: process it. And and and Betty was just the most 250 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: I feel unprepared, and I'm convinced that she really wanted 251 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: to be there, um and and so heard her journey 252 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: is really quite remarkable. It was incredibly brave for Betty 253 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: Ford to come forward and say I have a problem 254 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: with alcohol and with drugs because she was taking painkillers 255 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: for a shoulder injury. Right. And how difficult was it 256 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: for Betty Ford to come forward and say I have 257 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: a problem or was she just in a situation where 258 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: she had no choice both? Uh, there was an intervention 259 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: done with the family, um and you know she had 260 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: once they left office. You know, she really spiraled down. 261 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: And I mean the amount of medication that she was taking, 262 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: and the doctors were just given the directive, just hear 263 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: whatever she needs. And she was up to twenty pills 264 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: a day. I think she said in in an interview 265 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: that I I saw and we never really knew exactly 266 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: what she was taking, but I assume it was value. 267 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: You know, they were just giving value. Don't like what 268 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: it is. It's called mothers that will help her. At 269 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: that time, they were just dolling out and and um 270 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: and literally um, you know that that's when I remember 271 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: that's when doctors were saying, oh, you know, though medication 272 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: and alcohol it's two different things. There's no problem with 273 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: mixing them. And I think the hardest thing though for 274 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: her and she you know, she did go into rehab, 275 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: Um went in for um drug addiction. Did not want 276 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: to admit that she was an alcoholic that she felt 277 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: because I think in her mind she could not take 278 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: responsibility for the drug addiction because really it was her 279 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: physicians who got her addicted to these medications, and and 280 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: because she was in pain and it was something unforeseen. 281 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: And but I think with the alcohol, that was something 282 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: that she knew she had. UM two, um, you know, 283 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: take responsibility for she hit it for years. I mean 284 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: she was amazing because throughout the series she is drinking 285 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: a lot, and yet she was extremely high functioning. Wasn't 286 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: she extremely high functioning alcoholic? And there are a lot 287 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: of those. And then with the pills at at a 288 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: certain point, then you're taking twenty pills just to be normal. 289 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: So it's not about it. It's of course there's pain, 290 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: but um, you know, it's it's not about feeling high, 291 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: you know, it's when you're that addicted, then you need 292 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: you just need to keep upping the doors in order 293 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: to to to stay normal. And then you know, and 294 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: then cocktails were really popular. Then you know that Bibo 295 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: cocktail and uh, you know, a couple of bourbons and 296 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: then wine with dinner and you know, and then you 297 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: know when you so adding the alcohol on top on 298 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: top of that. Um. But yeah, I mean I know 299 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: a lot of why functioning alcoholics, and so she would 300 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: get it would become more obvious when she would add 301 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the alcohol on top of the pills. Um. But she looked, 302 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: you can't accomplish everything that she did in the White House, 303 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: um and not be high functioning and and and just 304 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: be you know, sloppy drunk all the time. She really 305 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: really managed it well. But it was a long time. 306 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it was twenty years that she was managing that. 307 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: Have you heard from any of Betty Ford's kids? Um, 308 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: I remember I've met Susan many times, then her son's 309 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: and I'm curious that they have gotten in touch with 310 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: you about your betrayal of their mom. No, and it's 311 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: sort of a fantasy of mine, but I know it's 312 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: a fantasy. If it were my mother and this was 313 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: her story, worry you know, I just I don't think 314 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: i'd watch it, and I would not be happy that 315 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: somebody was rehashing this again, and um because I think 316 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: it's painful for a family to have to re live that. 317 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: And and there are things in this kind of dramatization 318 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: that you have to make up because nobody was there. 319 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: Nobody was in the room hearing these conversations, so and 320 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: and you know they're there are scenes you need to 321 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: put in for transitioning because you were And so they're 322 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: going to look at it and they're going to want 323 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: everything to be absolutely accurate, and that's not going to happen. 324 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: So I don't think that although they did already went 325 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: through it once. They already went through it with the 326 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: and I never saw it. His general Rolens is like, 327 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of my idols. And um, I 328 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: know they made a television movie of Awakenings many years ago, 329 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: and um, I I just was terrified to see it. Um. 330 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: So they did. They were very involved, I think in 331 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: that project. So maybe I don't know, maybe they do 332 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: have a better understanding than I'm giving them credit for. 333 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: But I think you portrayed her in such a loving, 334 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: respectful way that they would be pleased, but I'm not them, 335 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: so I can't speak for them. I really tried, I 336 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: really tried, and I both Susanna and I really it 337 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: was our first and foremost. We wanted to honor her 338 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: and um and because we loved her, and we um 339 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: um and that that regulating and pacing all of the 340 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was so every every drink, every time 341 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: we took pill, it was so calculated and sort of 342 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: the build of it. And when she would and and 343 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: um at what level? And was it pills? It was 344 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: it drinking on top of the pills. Was it just 345 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: what time of day it was, because she's different in 346 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: the morning. So it was very and we just didn't 347 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: want it ever to be about all that, because it 348 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: was so it would have been so you know, tantalizing 349 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: and very dramatic and very entertaining. I'm sure to have 350 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: her whole story be about her addiction, and that isn't 351 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: We just didn't want that to overshadow all of her 352 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: other accomplishments. Are you gonna miss Betty? I do miss Betty? 353 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: I you know, And when I talk about her, it's 354 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 1: I get I get emotional. I have to um control it. 355 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: I still get emotional when I talk about her. I 356 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: spent a year. Yeah, you read my books, you know, 357 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: my pile of books with my little post it's, and UM, 358 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: I got very nostalgic and like, what do we do 359 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: with these? Now? I can't get room of them. But 360 00:24:54,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Tell us how you got involved 361 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: in a fragrance company. I when my kids were born, 362 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: like a lot of new mothers, I became acutely aware 363 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: of you know, there's you know, our surroundings and started 364 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: looking at the world through their eyes, and UM, everything 365 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: was danger danger. And I started paying attention to UM 366 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: the products we were using and the food we were 367 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: eating and reading labels and UM. Anyway, kind of long story, 368 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: super short, super long story short. UM. I I through 369 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: my research became aware of I stumbled across one day 370 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: the environmental working groups UM skin deep database. By the way, 371 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: do you know about this skin deep database? No? Oh 372 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: my god, you will go down the rabbit hole. It's 373 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: such an incredible UM resource. So so this was I 374 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: want to say, ten years ago ish UM, and I've 375 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: been on my own trying to but but it was 376 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: the first time I really found science based information to 377 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: help me choose better products. Look at the products I 378 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: was using, and the thing that kept coming up on 379 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: the website was fragrance would be pinned really high for 380 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: hazard level over and over again. And so I took 381 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: that to mean, oh, well, gosh, fragrance is really toxic, 382 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: so I should stop wearing it. We're using it, and 383 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: so um, I stopped wearing perfume, and I tried um. 384 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: And also I was I was like a new mom 385 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: and like most of your parents, and I was working, 386 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: and I was so stressed out by what, you know, 387 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: just not wanting to suppose any of us to anything bad. 388 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: And the more research I did, it was like everything 389 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: was bad. So um I UM. At some point I 390 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: saw and I tried all of the sort of non 391 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: toxic organic plant based fragrances that and I just couldn't 392 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: find anything that really had that beautiful sort of find 393 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: fragrance sent to it that and that sort of premium 394 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: scent and UM, and I missed it. So I said 395 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: to myself one day, you know, um, this is hogwash. Um. 396 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: You know, we have the science and and a person 397 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be struggling on a daily basis with 398 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: the products that perform and and products that are safe. 399 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: And there have been progress in the personal care, food organic, 400 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: but nothing in fragrance. And I thought, I wonder, if 401 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: it's possible, I'm going to see this possible. And so 402 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: that was my beginning of my journey, and long story short, 403 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: it was a lot of it was. It was ten 404 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: years of dead ends and I approached cosmetic companies. They 405 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: looked at me like I had three heads. They didn't know. 406 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: I was told, paramins are good for you, We don't 407 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Um, nobody wants this was 408 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: the funny one. Nobody wants, you know, a celebrity fragrance anymore. Well, 409 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: now look at today everything is celebrity, but so um. 410 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Eventually I ended up at I F S the and 411 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: they are one of the biggest fragrance houses in the world, 412 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: and they actually formulated a cradle to cradle fragrance with them, 413 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: a collaboration. So I really knew that they knew what 414 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: I was talking about because I had started down the 415 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: road with another Craig, big fragrance house and only to 416 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: be told a year into the formulations that they wouldn't 417 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: be a hundred percent transparent with the ingredients and that 418 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: was like a real deal breaker for me. So I 419 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: ended up launching three years ago and named it Henry 420 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: Rose after my children, seeing that they were the impetus 421 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: of the whole thing. And I wanted something that didn't 422 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: sound like a startup, that didn't sound like that, that 423 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: didn't didn't feel trendy, that that wasn't in the zeitgeist. 424 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: I wanted something that was going to scan the test 425 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: of time. And we have ten. We launched with five, 426 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: and we have beautiful packaging. And in fact, Michelle, sustainability 427 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: is also a key ingredient to your product, because not 428 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: only is the fragrance um, you know, organic or without 429 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: harmful chemicals of any kind, but the packaging and the 430 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: bottles themselves are very important. Can you show me a 431 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: bottle and explain that. So, um, Well, I just found 432 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: out yesterday, um that this is new packaging. We had 433 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: launched with a different packaging, and I just found out 434 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: that by switching to this packaging, we saved our use 435 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: of paper by sev So that's pretty awesome. I didn't 436 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: know that. So these are made. This is like a 437 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: renewable um, compostable, it's um, it's paper pail UM and 438 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: UM and our caps are made Our caps are made 439 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: from soy resin which is compostable. These bottles nobody we 440 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: are the first to use is there are ninety they're 441 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: made from recycled glass. Are ingredients are used green chemistry 442 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: UM and we are a mixture of synthetics and naturals 443 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of naturals that we can't 444 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: use because of the allergens in them, and they people 445 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: really suffer. So there are a lot of people, not 446 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: everyone um disclaimer, but there are a lot of people 447 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: who who are sensitive, who you know can't walk into 448 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: a room where they going to end up in the 449 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: hospital now, but they can't walk into a room with 450 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: a candle burning without going you know, having a migraine 451 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: and migraine and maybe you know, ruining the next two 452 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: days of their lives. So UM. So we're WG verified 453 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: and Cradle to cradle certified for safety and for sustainability. 454 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: We took on a lot and we set a really 455 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: high bar on every level and it's been an incredible 456 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: journey UM and we're we're doing well. Was it fun 457 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: to come up with the fragrances and to be what 458 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: is it. There's somebody who like the nose right, yes, 459 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: the nose yes, the perfumer or the nose and um 460 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: and what Actually when I kept hit hitting dead end 461 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: after jet end, trying to find someone to help me 462 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: get this off the ground, help me get these formulations, 463 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: it was actually WG who recommended I go directly to 464 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: the fragrance houses, and I thought, really, why would they 465 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: do that with me? Um, I'm asking them to expose 466 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: their formulations, which is something they've always considered trade secret, 467 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: and they don't want to do. See the thing that 468 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: that I ended up learning about the word fragrance and 469 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: why e w G would paint it so high. It's 470 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: not that all fragrance ingredients are toxic. It's that the 471 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: word fragrance on a package can be comprised of any 472 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 1: number of that of thousands of ingredients and some of 473 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: them toxic and and people don't realize that. And because 474 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: of the lack of transparency, you know, you know, and 475 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: to air on the side of caution e w G. 476 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: When it's just says fragrance and you're not revealing all 477 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: of your ingredients, they just give it a really high pain. Um. 478 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: So so let's see I digressed. It was something about 479 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: gold you or just talking about the nose and kind 480 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: of coming up with all the difference. That's yeah. So 481 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: um I, you know, after one false, painful start with 482 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: another fragrance house, I ended up at FF and um, 483 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: I cried, uh so it was spy cow. But I'd 484 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: worked so long and hard and when I walked in, 485 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: they had a little bottle sitting on the table and 486 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: it was something they had already formulated with Cradle to Cradle, 487 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: and it's smelled amazing, and I knew. I thought, Okay, 488 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: they get it. They get it. They're not gonna lie 489 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: to me. They're not going to try to you know, 490 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: They're gonna do this with me, and they know how 491 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: hard this is. And then I had to learn how 492 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: to smell. And then I had to learn They taught me, 493 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: the perfumers taught me because I was working one on 494 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: one with them and they had to teach me a 495 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: different language and how to speak to them. And they said, 496 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: they would say, don't don't don't tell me what you 497 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: think it smells like, because that would send them off 498 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: in a really wrong direction because it would be wrong. 499 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: Whatever I'm saying it smells like it's wrong. They would say, 500 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: where does it, how does it make you feel, what 501 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: does it make you think of? What does it remind 502 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: you of? And and that was sort of how the 503 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: ore are sent memories were born. And I started to 504 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: realize with unbeknownst to me, that the very first fragrance 505 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: that I was trying to formulate was actually was trying 506 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: to mimic my father's cologne. And I I had always 507 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: loved men's cologns more than women's perfume. And that was 508 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: also why I felt the need to make this genderless. 509 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: One of the needs to make this a genderless line um, 510 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: because you know, people love what they love, it's not 511 00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: about gender and um and so oh anyway, you know, 512 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: I realized through that process of learning how to speak 513 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: to them, it took me back to my father's schoolon 514 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: and um, so a lot of our sense. You know, 515 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: Jake's House is another one of our top sailing sense 516 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: and you know that is was formulated from my memories 517 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: of my grandfather's house. And it's called Jake's House. Um. 518 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: Bob reminds me of summers in San Francisco. Um, that 519 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: sort of woody, wet, fresh kind of scent um and um. 520 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: So it's been UM, it's been really exciting and um, 521 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: my world is open up. And then I had to 522 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: learn how to kind of abused. I sort of used 523 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: my acting to to um, to approach a scent, not 524 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: what I would like, but to appreciate it, not not 525 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: some thing I would necessarily wear, but to appreciate another 526 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: personality who like a character, who would like that. And 527 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: so that took some time and I've I've gotten actually 528 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: really good at that, and that's been and that's been 529 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: really really important because we had to build out the line. 530 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: You're also partnering with Breast Cancer Prevention Partners. Tell me 531 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: why that was important, Well, because you know there are 532 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: there are studies that because because of the hormone disruption 533 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: in a lot of fragrances and you know, fragrance. The 534 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: thing about fragrances is in everything. It's in all of 535 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: your personal care, it's in all of your your household cleaners, 536 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: it's in they put it in paper, you know, they 537 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: put it in crazy things to mask. If something doesn't 538 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: quite smell all that, they'll put some fragrance in and 539 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: it's really not you're not even really aware of it, 540 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: but you know there are because of the hormone own 541 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: disruption that happens with some of these chemicals, it causes 542 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: breast cancer. And um it felt like a really um 543 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: important um partnership to make. And one of the things 544 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: I read, which I'd like to get into more, and 545 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: i'd really like to get One of my dreams is 546 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: to really speak to young women because there are indications 547 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: and evidence that during puberty is the riskiest time for 548 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: women to be exposed to these hormone disruptors and it's 549 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: setting the stage for breast cancer later in life. And 550 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: if you think about it, it makes sense because your 551 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: hormones during that time are going crazy, and they're growing, 552 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: and they're you know, they're increasing and and and if 553 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,439 Speaker 1: you get in there and you disrupt them, it makes 554 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: sense that it would set the stage later on in life. 555 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, and it's also the time 556 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: of life where you know, young women are young girls 557 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: are they just are putting everything on, you know, makeup 558 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: and perfume and every single product you can imagine they're 559 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: trying and they're experimenting with and how fun that is. UM. 560 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,479 Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of education to be done. 561 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: And now you know. The thing is, there's no you 562 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: don't have to choose now anymore between quality and safety. 563 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 1: You don't have to. There are a lot of products 564 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: out there now there there have been, there's the makeup 565 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: has made huge progress and huge gains personal care um 566 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: and and the one thing that has really been lagging 567 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: behind has been fragrance. And now not only can you 568 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: doubt some something and feel safe doing it, we also 569 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: now have a safe alternative that goes inside of other products. 570 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: This it sounds like this has been a really interesting 571 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: and educational journey for you, that it becoming an entrepreneur 572 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: as allowed allowed you not to learn only about business, 573 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: but I mean about science and chemistry and consumer habits. 574 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: So it sounds as if this has been a fascinating 575 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 1: experience for you. Fascinating And you're right. I stepped into 576 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: this not knowing anything about chemistry, nothing about perfumery, nothing 577 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: about business, and I have had to learn it all 578 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: in real time. So it's been kind of mind blowing 579 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:44,479 Speaker 1: but exciting. It's not all what do you enjoy more? 580 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: Acting or starting a business? They're different, you know, they're different, 581 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: and I get different things out of it, and and 582 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: I actually thought, you know, I started this, well you 583 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: don't know this, but I started this. I was letting 584 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: northern California and my kids were young, and I wasn't 585 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: really acting a lot, and I didn't really think I 586 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be much anymore, if at all. And I thought, 587 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: but I'm not done contributing to the world. And I'm 588 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: that's important to me. That I know, creation, getting up 589 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: in every morning and creating whatever, that is really important 590 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: to me. And I thought, what do I remember? It 591 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: was like New Year's Day one day, and I thought, 592 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: what do I do I want to do? Like, what 593 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: would I get excited? And and it was this and um. 594 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 1: Then then once I finally got this off the ground 595 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: ten years later, I started acting again like crazy. And 596 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: so I didn't really plan it this way. Um. But 597 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm so that's a long winded way of saying I 598 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: like them. I like them both. And I don't know 599 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: that I could pick an embarrassment of riches. Right. Well, 600 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you in all areas of your life. 601 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: I love your husband. I know you've said you never 602 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: want to work together. You know, who knows, maybe maybe 603 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: one day we would, but we've gotten by this part 604 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: without doing it, And I think there's something about, you know, 605 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: being able to come home and complain about your day 606 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: and know that they're going to be on your side 607 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: because they don't know the other side. Yeah, I think 608 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: that's important in a marriage. I think so too. Well, 609 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: thanks for spending some time with me talking about Betty 610 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: Ford and the First Lady. I really think you did 611 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job Michelle portraying her. I loved looking at 612 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: all the seventies clothes because those were the outfits of 613 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: my youth, Susan Ford's knee socks and Betty's cute little 614 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: outfits and even her quilted you know, uh sleep jackets. 615 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: It was just so fun to see. And I'm excited 616 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: that we're selling Henry Rose on our website, that you're 617 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: part of our shop, and honestly, I can't wait to 618 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: try it myself. What fragrance would you recommend for me? Well? 619 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: Which kind of category are you? Like? Hello? Sort of 620 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: a woody, spicy? Are you a floral? Are you I'm 621 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: a little I'm kind of a citrus girl. Prudy, prudy, citrusy. Okay, 622 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: then I think you would like um Smith Um, and 623 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: maybe Jake's house. Okay, I would take those two for you. 624 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: I'll give us send you some stuff, Okay, okay. Next 625 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 1: Question with Katie Kurik is a production of My Heart 626 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: Media and Katie Kurk Media. The executive producers are Me, 627 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: Katie Curic, and Courtney Litz. The supervising producer is Lauren Hansen. 628 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: Associate producers Derek Clements and Adriana Fasio. The show is 629 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 1: edited and mixed by dar at Clements. 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