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Speaker 1: Well, hey, Angel fans, welcome back to Halo Territory. We

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Speaker 1: are part of the Foul Territory Network. My name is

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Speaker 1: Mike D. Gievanna, former RelA Times Baseball writer and host

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Speaker 1: of the show. Joined by my regular co host Mark Trumbo,

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Speaker 1: the former Angel slugger, and welcome back Sam Bloma, the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: After a lengthy stint in Tokyo for the World Baseball Classic,

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Sam? How was that trip? That must

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Speaker 1: have been pretty cool?

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Speaker 2: It was very cool. Yeah, and it was you know,

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Speaker 2: I I've just learned I'm not as played as most

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Speaker 2: of the Japanese society. But other than that, it was

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Speaker 2: really lovely.

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Speaker 1: As most Angel fans who know you are probably thinking shocker. Yep, Well,

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Speaker 1: we got a good show free lined up today. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do a little American League West preview, and I

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Speaker 1: swear there was if you're watching on YouTube, there was

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Speaker 1: no premeditated plan for us all to where black. If

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Speaker 1: that's to reflect the somber mood of how we think

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Speaker 1: the Angels are going to do this year, but had Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it. We'll start with the code

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Speaker 1: of Predictions, and they picked the Mariners to pretty much

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Speaker 1: run away with this division. The Astros second, Rangers third,

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Speaker 1: Sacramento fourth, and the Angels with a sixty five win

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Speaker 1: projection to finish dead last. I think I'll start. I

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Speaker 1: think the division is gonna be a little more bunched up.

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Speaker 1: You know, they have the Mariners winning by ten games.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to run away with the division.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Angels are going to be sixty

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Speaker 1: five win bad. And my sleeper pick not to win

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Speaker 1: the division, but to make a significant move is the A's.

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Speaker 1: The Athletics have a dynamic lineup, a lot of great

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Speaker 1: young players, a lot of great young sluggers, and they

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Speaker 1: don't have an ace. They don't have a clear cut closer.

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Speaker 1: But I think their pitching just seems good enough to

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Speaker 1: me to keep them in games, and that offense might

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Speaker 1: make a lot of noise this year, so I think

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Speaker 1: I might push them for a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: wildcard contender. What do you guys think? Mark, Let's start

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Speaker 1: with you just on the division.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like you're maybe listening to some of the

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Speaker 3: things I've said about that ball club sleeper. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure I've referenced him at least a few times. They

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Speaker 3: are very talented. They have a dynamic offense, very you know,

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Speaker 3: a guy like Nick Kurtz. Spring training was ho hum,

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Speaker 3: but an absolute monster. If he even comes close to

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Speaker 3: repeating what he did last year, he's an absolute force.

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Speaker 3: We got Sevarino as their ace and springs was brought in,

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Speaker 3: but beyond that, they are a little thin. And the

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Speaker 3: Mariners do look like the clear favorite. I think that

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Speaker 3: they are the most well rounded. Obviously have a lot

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Speaker 3: of pitching. They have some bullpen concerns we can talk about.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not high on Houston at all. Every year

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Speaker 3: I say to myself, at least I don't really see it,

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Speaker 3: don't see it happening. Then they kind of like cockroaches,

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Speaker 3: just keep hanging around. Not in a bad way, but

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Speaker 3: they find a way. It's a it's a it's a compliment,

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Speaker 3: but this might be the year that, you know, some

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Speaker 3: of those guys are getting older. Their farm system is

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Speaker 3: not good, not even close to good. I think it's

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Speaker 2: Someone else's.

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Speaker 3: But you know, they just don't have any It doesn't

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Speaker 3: look like they have any kind of impact arms bats

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Speaker 3: at least to help this season. And Altuvey declining to

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Speaker 3: some degree still getting it done as defense didn't look

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Speaker 3: good as sprint speed's way down and I can keep rambling,

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Speaker 3: but we'll let Sam give some thoughts.

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Speaker 2: To I agree with Pokoda in the sense that I

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Speaker 2: think the Mariners are at least at ten games better

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Speaker 2: than the others in this division. That's it's just because

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Speaker 2: it's not even that they're significantly better than then, uh

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Speaker 2: then last year. It's just that I don't think that

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Speaker 2: any of these, you know, I mean, the team that

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Speaker 2: probably took the biggest step forward would be the A's

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, mostly because they just over the last

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Speaker 2: almost like one hundred games last year, they were really

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Speaker 2: quite good. The issue is their their bullpen just collapsed

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Speaker 2: time it even got to the All Star break, it was,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was a lost cause. I think the

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Speaker 2: Angels are significantly worse than everybody else, and I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, can can the A's make a move for

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Speaker 2: the playoffs? I certainly think it's possible. The Rangers, I

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Speaker 2: know they made some serious changes in the offseason, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, like it, something just kind of seems

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Speaker 2: hearing Corey Seeger's comments about him and Marcus Simeon's relationship

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Speaker 2: and that just it didn't sound like it was really

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Speaker 2: good spots and maybe maybe, you know, making that trade

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Speaker 2: and bringing in Brandon Demo, there's a there's a culture

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Speaker 2: shift that or at least I don't say culture shift,

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Speaker 2: maybe more of a team dynamic shift that away from

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Speaker 2: whatever issue was kind of plaguing them in the past.

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Speaker 2: So that's not to call Marcus Simeon the issue by

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Speaker 2: any means, but just you know, whatever situation was playing

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Speaker 2: out there. So I'll be curious to see how the

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Speaker 2: division goes. I don't I just I think that the

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Speaker 2: Mariners are significantly better and I think the Angels are

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Speaker 2: significantly worse, and whatever happens in between will be, you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever happens.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's break this division down team by team, and

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Speaker 1: we might as well start with the Angels and our

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Speaker 1: resident experts, Sam Blum sixty five wins, as we talked

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Speaker 1: about before, equates the ninety seven losses. I think we

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Speaker 1: all agree they're probably going to finish the last place again.

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Speaker 1: But is there any hope of any you know, better

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Speaker 1: of a finish for this team. Where do you see

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Speaker 4: What kind of win total?

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Speaker 3: I hope for it.

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Speaker 2: But that's kind of always the thing, right, I always

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Speaker 2: say that, just there's always a hope. I'd probably take

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Speaker 2: the under on the sixty five my just my own opinion,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't know. I mean, listen, like, they're there,

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Speaker 2: what are they like? Look at Ryan Johnson. I take that.

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Speaker 2: That's my kind of example for why I'm just not

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he didn't be good or bad. It's

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Speaker 2: it's this guy goes from being an immediate leverage reliever

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Speaker 2: in Hya after throwing a complete game for some reason

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Speaker 2: down there. Uh, and now he's just back in the

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Speaker 2: big leagues again, Like what kind of development processes that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know? And now meanwhile, they brought in

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Speaker 2: it is, it doesn't really matter, and grays and Rodriguez

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Speaker 2: the pitching I think is gonna be a huge problem.

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Speaker 2: I mean, their bullpen, Robert Stevenson's out. I don't know

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Speaker 2: Johnson and these guys become like you know, Ace level

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Speaker 2: So to me, their pitching is the reason and their

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Speaker 2: their lineup two is going to be the reason why.

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Speaker 2: I think that would take the under on sixty five.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Mark, what do you get? It's awfully low. I

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Speaker 3: think they'll do better than that. I think part of

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Speaker 3: it's going to be how some of these other teams

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Speaker 3: that they play the most times actually fair. Like you said,

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Speaker 3: I think Oakland's on the rise. I think that they

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Speaker 3: have always been, especially when I was there a very

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Speaker 3: tough matchup for the Angels in particular, I think sometimes

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Speaker 3: they play well against teams that are surprising. Dodgers, for example,

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Speaker 3: was cute anomaly last year. I don't know what to

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Speaker 3: make of that, but it seems, you know, that was

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Speaker 3: probably the best of times, and then there were they

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Speaker 3: seem to really not play well against ports like you know,

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Speaker 3: teams that were similar to them. They lay lost consistently

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Speaker 3: in those games. I think, let's say Houston declines and

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Speaker 3: the Angels take a few more off of them, get

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Speaker 3: a few more off of the Rangers, who are really

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Speaker 3: not that great, not deep at all either. Their farm

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Speaker 3: system is not good. So maybe the Angels can scrap

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Speaker 3: together seventy four wins best case. You know, the depth

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Speaker 3: is going to be an issue. I can't really say

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Speaker 3: what Johnson's development is or isn't. It's anything but consistent.

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Speaker 3: If he did add a third pitch or a second well,

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Speaker 3: it would be a third pitch that he was lacking

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Speaker 3: to get left handers out. Maybe our guy bt H,

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Speaker 3: who has been less than impressed with some of our

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Speaker 3: baseball acumen, can explain his new pitch and the horizontal

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Speaker 3: and vertical drop and why it's going to be effective

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Speaker 3: against left unimpressed with our takes, not not giving him

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Speaker 3: anything he doesn't already know, and to be quite honest,

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Speaker 3: his knowledge of sabermetrics, I'm saying him, it could be

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Speaker 3: is now, So bt H, why don't you uh come out.

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Speaker 1: You need to show yourself, show yourself, throw down a gauntlet. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with Sam. I think pitching depth and

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Speaker 1: the rotation and the bullpen is the great separator for

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Speaker 1: the Angels. Unfortunately. I think their lineup, if they can

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Speaker 1: maintain some modicum of health, could actually be better than

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Speaker 1: last year. They cut down the strikeouts, maybe a little

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Speaker 1: better approach on the new hitting coach, Brady Anderson. You know,

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Speaker 1: Joe Adell took a huge step last year. O'happy has

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Speaker 1: Zach Netto and Shanuell are both developing and improving, So

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Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez looks like he's gonna possibly start on the

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Speaker 1: il Alec Manoa doesn't look like they're getting much from him.

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Speaker 1: You got two kids at the back of the rotation

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Speaker 1: and not much behind them depth wise, and the bullpen

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Speaker 1: is a huge issue for me. I mean You're going

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Speaker 1: into a season with maybe Kirby Gates being your closer,

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Speaker 1: and you know he's had some great years in the past,

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Speaker 1: but those are pretty firmly in the past, so very

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Speaker 1: little bullpen depth. They're gonna need some, really, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the rotation to uh, you know, contend for not

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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome back to Helo Territory. Join by Mark Trumbo

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Speaker 1: and Sam Blum. I guess we'll take these teams in

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Speaker 1: and Miller all spent pretty big chunks of last season

430
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Speaker 1: on the injured list. That's a concern. I question whether

431
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Speaker 1: cal Raley's gonna be able to keep up his MVP

432
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Speaker 1: runner up pace last year. I love Brendan Donovan. I

433
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: think he's going to beat lead off for them, a

434
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Speaker 1: great move solid hitter. I think he's hitting four twenty

435
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Speaker 1: nine with one thousand and sixty two ops the spring.

436
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Speaker 1: So those are just some of my concerns. What do

437
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Speaker 1: you guys think? Are these they got them? Pakoda's got

438
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Speaker 1: him in a ninety four win team running away with

439
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Speaker 1: the division. Are we in agreement on that?

440
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Speaker 2: Well? I think, like you just said, you know, even

441
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Speaker 2: with some of the issues to the rotation last year,

442
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: they were still within, you know, one win of getting

443
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Speaker 2: to the World Series. This is it's just a very

444
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Speaker 2: deep roster they have. I mean, they have pitching that

445
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Speaker 2: goes beyond the that starting rotation. I mean, I do

446
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Speaker 2: agree with you that cal Raley's probably not going to

447
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Speaker 2: sixty home runs. I mean, that's that is the kind

448
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Speaker 2: of pace that's just you know, you see almost a

449
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: nominalist type seasons like that. I don't is Josh Naylor

450
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: going to steal thirty something bases again? Right? Like he

451
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: came in and that that was and that was a

452
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Speaker 2: key part of you know, the way they operated. So

453
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Speaker 2: you know, I think there's there's probably certain areas you

454
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Speaker 2: might see regression, but then there's this is you know,

455
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: this is a great roster. I mean they added reddon Donovan,

456
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Speaker 2: like you mentioned, their their their lineup. I think coming

457
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Speaker 2: into last year was the question. I mean, they didn't

458
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Speaker 2: The whole idea was they didn't make any meaningful changes.

459
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Speaker 2: They were kind of running it back with the team

460
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Speaker 2: that hadn't proven to be capable of making a World

461
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Speaker 2: Series run. I think that, you know, they haven't necessarily

462
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Speaker 2: gotten there yet, but I think they proved themselves capable

463
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Speaker 2: of doing it. And uh, you know, they made the

464
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Speaker 2: additions this offseason, and they made them at the deadline,

465
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Speaker 2: you know, over the last few years. I mean, that's

466
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Speaker 2: how they've really built is later in the season, and

467
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Speaker 2: so I expect that if this team is in the

468
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Speaker 2: mix in August, you'll probably see that again. But they're

469
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Speaker 2: already kind of built forward. As far as I'm as

470
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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, Mark.

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Speaker 1: And the Mariners as good as everyone seems to think

472
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Speaker 1: they are.

473
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Speaker 3: They got a good club. There's no two ways around it.

474
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Speaker 3: I think their offense is good, not great, but it

475
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Speaker 3: could be great. I think Kyler ally really came into

476
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Speaker 3: his own. I've heard from enough people that know what

477
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Speaker 3: they're talking about that he is the real deal. So

478
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: not a fluke. That ridiculous story out of the WBC.

479
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: I think that was easily avoidable. I don't know who

480
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: is at fault there. I didn't do any good for anyone.

481
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: I guess Randy issued an apology yesterday, but yeah, you know,

482
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Speaker 3: I would tell both of them that let's move on

483
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: from that. On Munoster Closer is nasty. I mean, when

484
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: he comes in, that game is over almost every time.

485
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: Beyond that, their bullpen has some issues and they really

486
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Speaker 3: rely heavily on their high leverage arms, so they you know, really,

487
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Speaker 3: what they're going to need is their starting pitchers to

488
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Speaker 3: go what they're capable of, which is with that kind

489
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Speaker 3: of stuff, you know, five six, seven innings, the short

490
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Speaker 3: starts will be I will predict their potential big hiccup

491
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Speaker 3: if those guys you know, are going for punch out

492
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Speaker 3: after punch out and the pitch counts get high. But

493
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Speaker 3: I don't see any team that's really close to them

494
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Speaker 3: this division, and they have the best ranked farm system

495
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Speaker 3: of the Al West teams considered eighth. I think it's

496
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Speaker 3: you know, aggregate, but cold Emerson is their top prospect.

497
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Speaker 3: He's got a very quiet approach at the plate plus

498
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Speaker 3: plus hit till a lot of people ranked his hit

499
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Speaker 3: too the highest in the minor leagues when asked. Not

500
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Speaker 3: a ton of power, and the defense looks pretty good,

501
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Speaker 3: but he should be an impact player this year. Kate

502
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: Anderson third overall pick twenty twenty five draft mentioned Jamie Arnold.

503
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: Kate Anderson is another left handed starting pitcher that can

504
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: make an impact this year. They may not want to

505
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: rush from that quick, but he seems more than capable

506
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Speaker 3: of getting big league hitters out most likely solid three

507
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: pitch mix, swing and miss stuff just really polished. He's

508
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Speaker 3: the type of guy that the Angels, you know, if

509
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: you're looking for a plug and play, he seemed like

510
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Speaker 3: the closest thing. But he commanded a lot of money,

511
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Speaker 3: so the Mariners chose to pay and they got him.

512
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Speaker 3: If he makes a big impact, and Arnold two, it's

513
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: going to kind of sting. I'm not saying that Bremner

514
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: won't won't as well, but left handed starting pitchers are

515
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: generally highly coveted, and maybe these guys will show us why.

516
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one thing we can always count on if

517
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Speaker 1: the Mariners are knocking on the door at the trade deadline,

518
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: Jerry Depoto probably one of, if not the most aggressive

519
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: general managers, as Mark Trumbo knows all too well. Were

520
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: those both trade deadline deals? By the way, Mark, I can't.

521
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Speaker 3: Remember, no, No, those were out was like a Christmas special,

522
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: not white.

523
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Speaker 5: And then.

524
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Speaker 3: The other one I can't even remember. We had the

525
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Speaker 3: first phone conversation. You know, you get called when you

526
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: get traded if you want a little anecdote, and I

527
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: understood the first time the package was pretty pretty big,

528
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: and you know, I from a logical standpoint, I said sure.

529
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: The second time, I wasn't his thrilled because I just

530
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: kind of figured a way to fit in on a

531
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: new club and immediately having to do it again. So

532
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: that one was brief, but I did take the call

533
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: and say, okay, Jerry, appreciate it.

534
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Speaker 1: Then we'll see, you know. Turning toward the Texas Rangers,

535
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: who seemed to be picked in the middle of the pack,

536
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: here's their projected line of rotation Bullpen if you're watching

537
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, and boy, one thing that really jumps out

538
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: of me is those three names at the top of

539
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Speaker 1: the rotation, Jacob de Gram, Nathaniovaldi, and Mackenzie Gore. They

540
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: traded five prospects to the Nats to get Gore. That's

541
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: a pretty big haul. He's been a little inconsistent. I

542
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: think his career era is four point one point nine.

543
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: He had one hundred eighty dragouts or more in each

544
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: of the last two seasons, but he also walked sixty

545
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: or more in each of those two seasons, So a

546
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: little up and down for him. But if those guys

547
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Speaker 1: stay healthy, you know they can match up with any

548
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: three rotation wise, I do question the rotation after that.

549
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: It does seem to fall off a bit. There is

550
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Speaker 1: some encouragement. The offense was not very good last year.

551
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I think they were in the twenty fifth or twenty

552
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: six an average on base percentage, but they are hitting.

553
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: I think they're averaging six runs a game this spring.

554
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: Brandon Nemo another Mets acquisition at the top of that lineup.

555
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: He might add some spark. I think Wyatt Langford, I

556
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: think is pretty still a pretty good up and young,

557
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: young up and coming player, and I think they're expecting

558
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: a bounce back year for Jake Berger. My concern with

559
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: them their DH is projected to be Jock Peterson, who's

560
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: hitting one seventy one with a four to eighty one

561
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: OPS and thirty five spring at bats. So the lineup

562
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: does tend to drop off a little bit, but hard

563
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: to argue with that rotation. Not sure about their bullpen.

564
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: Chris Martin's back there, Robert Garcia their potential closer. Don't

565
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: know a lot about him. Maybe third fourth place is

566
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: the right pick for the Rangers. I think they'll be

567
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: a little better than they've been, but I don't see

568
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: them contending for any kind of division or playoff berth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't think it really Yeah, No,

570
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: I don't think they're much better like than they were

571
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: last year. I mean, this is you know, they haven't

572
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: been they they fell off after they won the World Series.

573
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think, like you said, their their lineup

574
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: looks a lot like last year's lineup, and last year's

575
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: lineup was in the like you mentioned, in the bottom

576
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: five in almost every meaningful category. And Jack Peterson that

577
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: was just a bad contract. I mean, like he was

578
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: bad last year, like you just mentioned, He's had a

579
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: bad spring. I don't know how many guys get real

580
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: bounce bags kind of where he where he's at in

581
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: his career. So I mean, that's that's an issue. You know,

582
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: health's been an issue. It's just it's I mean, I

583
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: know they they you know, they made some moves right

584
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: they I think they non tendered a Doulas Garcia is

585
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: such a key part and kind of the heart of

586
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: their lineup there for about four five seasons. But you know,

587
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: so there's maybe some addition by subtraction and that type

588
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: of on that front, and you change the dynamics of

589
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: the lineup a little bit. But to me, you know,

590
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: they look a lot like last year, and last year

591
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: wasn't very good. So I won't project them to be.

592
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they may be a little better

593
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: than the Astros, but to me, that's kind of that

594
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: third and fourth spot. Those those teams will be you know,

595
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: buying for that and you know after after. I think

596
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: the A's are more the clear cut second best team.

597
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: I think they are not a well rounded club. They

598
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: have some very good players. De Graham's health has always

599
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: a question mark. You know, he's incredible, but you blank

600
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: and he's on the shelf again. You have all these

601
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: really good the Gore trade, admittedly, I need to look

602
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: at it a little bit more. That's giving up a

603
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: heck of a lot. He's got obviously really good stuff.

604
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: But I like guys that throws likes, and if I'm

605
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: going to give up a haul, I don't want guys

606
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: with walk issues. That's just a personal preference. Uh, you know,

607
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: the swing and miss stuff. Everywhere you look, it's you know,

608
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: the guys hitting one hundred hundred plus. I do wonder

609
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: if these radar guns might have been uh, you know,

610
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: those batteries are getting charged a little more. But well,

611
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: it's it's a huge story. I think Major League Baseball

612
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: is probably playing a part in that. I think fans

613
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: get excited when you know guys are Seth Fernandez the

614
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: one hundred and two the other night got a big

615
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: reaction from the Tiger's prospect has made a lot of waves.

616
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: H Clark. So, but like with Jock Peterson, I got it.

617
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: You know, he is declining. I think his fitness has

618
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: been questionable as well, and that's something I always have

619
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: a hard time with pro athletes in my opinion, should

620
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: do what they can to uh look, the part not

621
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: everyone has to look like a you know Adonis is culture,

622
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: but uh, you know you got come in shape. Don't

623
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: don't let that be a storyline. And they're they're hitting

624
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: last year was lousy, No, nothing short of lousy. U

625
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 3: extremely low ps. They changed hitting coaches, Brett Boone came in,

626
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: it didn't seem to get any better. That's a tall

627
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: task too, and the clubhouse chemistry almost assuredly was an issue.

628
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: As Sam said earlier, with that kind of awkward answer

629
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: that Seeger gave, he gave an answer, but it almost

630
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: certainly means that there was some friction there. Why I

631
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: don't know, but those guys are making a fortune, and

632
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: if you've got you know, players with huge contracts and

633
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: a difference of opinion that is not good for business.

634
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: So hopefully Skipped Shoemaker can get them in order. But

635
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: I don't see what direction the franchise is really going

636
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: unless I'm missing something. A very lousy farm system as well,

637
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: after you know, uh, trading away a lot of guys,

638
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: So I think they're hoping for the best, but I

639
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if they had, you know, a poor showing.

640
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: All right, that's going to close the show for today.

641
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: Angels open the regular season at Houston play the Astros

642
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and then the next week they'll have their

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Speaker 1: home opener. So we'll see you later this week on

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Speaker 1: Halo Tour Territory, Sam Blum, Mark Trumbo, thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us as always. That'll do it for Halo Territory.

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