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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call be Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. If you are joining

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Speaker 3: us for our weekly strange news segment the evening, it

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Speaker 3: publishes Welcome to March sixteenth, and congratulations to everyone who

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Speaker 3: has survived the IDEs of March. Remember those guys.

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Speaker 4: I remember the IDEs of March. There's a movie with

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Speaker 4: uh his name The Drive Guy. Who's that good looking man,

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Speaker 4: Ryan Goslin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's thriller.

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Speaker 4: Didn't on an older historical event that you're referring to, man.

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Speaker 2: So you guys, we watched him host SNL The Google Man.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I love the Google Man. He also there's

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Speaker 3: a great bit he hasn't quite gotten his five timer

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Speaker 3: jacket yet, but we're pulling for you, Argie.

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Speaker 2: Then we went back and we watched Are You Afraid

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Speaker 2: of the Dark, because there's an episode that he does

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Speaker 2: as little young Ryan Gosling about the radio and how

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Speaker 2: the dead are attempting to contact you over the radio.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's funny, Matt, because he also was in an

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Speaker 4: episode of Goosebumps about a haunted camera. It was called

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Speaker 4: se Cheese and Die.

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Speaker 3: And we also have an episode coming up in the

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Speaker 3: future I believe about the idea of bringing back the dead,

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Speaker 3: but not in the way you expect, So not too

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Speaker 3: many spoilers there, but do you expect some more paranormal

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Speaker 3: episodes for us in the future.

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Speaker 4: While we're at it, can we also bring back Are

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Speaker 4: You Afraid of the Dark? Because that show is a

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Speaker 4: banger spooky Canadians.

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Speaker 3: I also loved Erie Indiana. Do you guys remember that show?

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Speaker 3: I'm aware of?

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Speaker 4: It wasn't that sort of a teen kind of spook fest? Yes, situation, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Investing if you are a if you're a fan of

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Speaker 3: Are You Afraid of the Dark and you're a fan

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Speaker 3: of the X Files, Erie Indiana is a banger and

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Speaker 3: appropriate for cool children.

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Speaker 4: And a good vocal warm up. You can go Gary Indiana,

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Speaker 4: Erie Indiana, Gary Indiana, Erie Indiana great and.

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Speaker 3: Again any times, I can only cool children. So if

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Speaker 3: your kid's not cool, don't let them watch it and

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Speaker 3: tell them. We said, so, uh, there's so much we've

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Speaker 3: got to get into. We know that as we were

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Speaker 3: talking with Dylan off stage here. We know that recent

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Speaker 3: news shows Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier and sex trafficker,

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Speaker 3: also apparently put a lot of money into academic research

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Speaker 3: into telepathy, which I don't think any of us saw coming.

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Speaker 3: But Bill Dylan, you had this great phrase where he said,

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Speaker 3: how'd you put it? Dylan Killer?

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Speaker 4: He needs to be on a shirt?

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Speaker 2: How did that guy have so many hours in the

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Speaker 2: day to do such weird stuff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, well said. And let's see, we're also

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Speaker 3: going to address a clone conspiracy from one of our

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Speaker 3: childhood favorite comedic actors. Talk maybe about the restaurant industry.

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Speaker 3: I'm very interested also in the story of this AI

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Speaker 3: tracking and then of.

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Speaker 4: Course ron before not tracking, you though, tracking other stuff, right, and.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to any of that, guys, I almost

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Speaker 3: texted our dear friend of the show and hopefully returning guests.

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Speaker 3: Jack O'Brien, founder of krackt and co creator of the

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Speaker 3: Daily Zeitgeist because Jack and I are going to continue

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Speaker 3: a conversation we've been having for years. Havana syndrome is back, gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: Did it ever really go anywhere?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well we've been talking about that on this show

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Speaker 2: for years too, which is so weird just to imagine

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Speaker 2: the way that story has shaped has been shaped over

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Speaker 2: the course of investigations and not really investigations. We're in

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Speaker 2: a weird place with it now, aren't we.

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Speaker 3: to MAT's to your point there, Matt. We have multiple

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Speaker 3: So what's the pause for a word from our sponsors

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Speaker 3: our earlier episodes for more of a deep dive. The

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Speaker 3: military officers, their families, their spouses have been reporting crippling

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Speaker 3: brain injuries, very unusual, anomalous medical conditions. They reported this

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Speaker 3: sixty Minutes learned that there is a weapon that can

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Speaker 3: They're saying, yeah, they're saying the investigation, Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 3: great question to clarify. They're saying, the investigation into these

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Speaker 3: They also found that so the story of these reports

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, as though this thing has been around for

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Speaker 2: quite a long long time. Ben, Let's I'm so excited,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of thing we talked about recently with

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not very far out of character from the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is this the famed discombobulator?

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Speaker 3: Do you think he's very close?

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Speaker 2: Seems similar, And especially as we learn more about this weapon,

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Speaker 4: It's interesting because I mean typically when I think of

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Speaker 3: It causes physical damage, is what we're seeing. And we

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny we talk about infrasound a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and let me hit two points real quick here

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Speaker 2: So those videos are really important because it shows the

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Speaker 4: Hey cool, Better late than never, and just to give

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Speaker 4: So I'm just it's very interesting because obviously they've figured

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well, put thank you for that. We

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Speaker 3: Because one of the distressing things is everybody who has

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, I don't know that the appetite was

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Speaker 3: there to respond to the Russians at that time. End quote.

437
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Speaker 3: So we're saying, if we admit that we know this

438
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Speaker 3: is happening, we have a thing, then we are going

439
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: to be forcing ourselves to respond and escalate.

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Speaker 4: I also just think it's pretty funny how loose lipped

441
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Speaker 4: our president can be. He was talking about the use

442
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Speaker 4: of something maybe like this in Venezuela. To your point, Matt,

443
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 4: he said, I can't we got this new, crazy new weapon.

444
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Speaker 4: I can't talk about it. But here's what it is

445
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: and what it does. And I named it the discombobulator,

446
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: and it discombobulates, and it really does sound like that's

447
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: what we're talking about. Sorry, I keep harping on that.

448
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Speaker 4: I just think it's hilarious. But I love the whole

449
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 4: notion of I can't talk about it, but here let

450
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Speaker 4: me talk.

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Speaker 2: About And weren't there reports in Venezuela that some of

452
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Speaker 2: the folks who experienced that what would you call it

453
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Speaker 2: many invasion, they experience that kind of thing where they

454
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Speaker 2: were frozen in place, crazy headache, They felt like they

455
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Speaker 2: were being attacked from inside. And this weapon, at least

456
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Speaker 2: according to David Relman, would make you feel like it

457
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Speaker 2: is happening inside of you.

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Speaker 4: Could it also potentially mess up electronics and be used

459
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Speaker 4: to damage equipment, because that's one thing that Trump was

460
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Speaker 4: alluding to, that it was a way of messing up

461
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Speaker 4: all of their you know, sensors, various electronic equipment.

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Speaker 3: Possibly, But then we have to consider that in the

463
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Speaker 3: Great Toolkit, there are already known devices that can do that,

464
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Speaker 3: you know, through empulses and so on. But yeah, this

465
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: could potentially do something like that.

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Speaker 4: Ah Ben, you really reminded me of a point that

467
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Speaker 4: I heard in some analysis of what Trump was saying,

468
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Speaker 4: is that it sounded like he maybe misconstrued a couple

469
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Speaker 4: of things and maybe combined a couple of pre existing

470
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Speaker 4: equipment with this new weapon and acted as though they

471
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 4: were one and the same and they could do all

472
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Speaker 4: of the things. So it does. It all tracks with

473
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Speaker 4: what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Right, Sometimes the conspiracies are real, So please, again, I

475
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Speaker 3: can't recommend it enough. Check out that statement we're ending

476
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: on with that former CIA officer that might inform some

477
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: of the secrecy, but that secrecy resulted in a cover

478
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Speaker 3: up that was incredibly damaging to public servants of the

479
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Speaker 3: United States. We would love to hear your thoughts about this.

480
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: There's so much more to get into regarding Havana syndrome,

481
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Speaker 3: which again is an unfair name. Sorry to the good

482
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Speaker 3: people of Havana. It's got like Spanish flu, right. It

483
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Speaker 3: got called the Spanish flu because they were the first

484
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Speaker 3: people to openly report it to the public. Benihow. You

485
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: can learn more about this by going to places like

486
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Speaker 3: Insider dot Ru, a Russian dissident magazine. You can read

487
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: extensive statements from survivors of this and if you have

488
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Speaker 3: encountered this or encountered something like it, we want to

489
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Speaker 3: hear from you conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: pause for word from our sponsors and will return with

491
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Speaker 3: more strange news.

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Speaker 4: And we've returned and Ben teased a couple of articles

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Speaker 4: that I happened upon, and I'm just gonna get one

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Speaker 4: of them out of the way. It's sort of the

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Speaker 4: more unpleasant one there is. I was actually recently in

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Speaker 4: Copenhagen and I heard about this very famous restaurant called

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Speaker 4: Noma that's there and has really given the city a

498
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Speaker 4: huge reputation in terms of its place in the fine

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Speaker 4: dining world. This has long been considered one of the

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Speaker 4: best restaurants in the world, or at least at one time.

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Speaker 4: It was. A probing article from The New York Times

502
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Speaker 4: that was released recently described a systematic culture of abuse

503
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Speaker 4: and just mistreatment of chefs and interns and basically any

504
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Speaker 4: staff at this restaurant at the hands of Renee read Zeppi,

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Speaker 4: who again Anthony Bourdain once called like the most exciting

506
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Speaker 4: and innovative chef in the world. We're talking stuff like

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Speaker 4: allegations of physical abuse, him punishing the entire staff for

508
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: the infractions of one going down the line, punching people

509
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Speaker 4: in the chest, crazy stuff like hiding under prep tables

510
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Speaker 4: and jabbing people in the shins with cutlery, not to

511
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: mention just horrific psychological abuse and the kinds of things

512
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Speaker 4: that we talk about in terms of hazing rituals in

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Speaker 4: the military reports, you know, coming from individuals who had

514
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Speaker 4: worked there in the past, saying it was more like

515
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Speaker 4: working in an emergency room or being you know, in

516
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Speaker 4: at war than it was like working in a restaurant. Interestingly,

517
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Speaker 4: many of the folks who reported being subjected to this

518
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Speaker 4: mistreatment did kind of end their statements with but I'm

519
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: glad I did it because it made me a better chef,

520
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Speaker 4: which I think is part and parcel to the Stockholm

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Speaker 4: syndrome of these types of abusive relationships.

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Speaker 3: It's just the culture of it.

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Speaker 4: It's the culture of the of the world of fine dining.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've seen it. Who's the guy that used

525
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Speaker 4: to do the soup Talk soup who was in community Oh.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 4: Joe McHale. He he plays a very similar chef in

528
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Speaker 4: the Bear who tormented the protagonist of the show kr

529
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Speaker 4: Me and is shown just absolutely dressing him down in

530
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Speaker 4: front of his staff and just saying that you should

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Speaker 4: kill yourself. Horrible, horrible things like that. And it's describing

532
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Speaker 4: a real, a real thing you know in this world,

533
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 4: and this expose a really points to how real it is.

534
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Speaker 4: And in a wake of this report, a lot of

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Speaker 4: sponsors have pulled their support of red Zeppi and some

536
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Speaker 4: of his residencies that he's doing outside of Copenhagen in

537
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Speaker 4: La One, in particular a thousand dollars plus you know

538
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Speaker 4: cost per plate series of pop ups in Los Angeles

539
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Speaker 4: have been I believe pulled. I've seen some inflicting reports

540
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Speaker 4: saying that maybe they are still going to happen, but

541
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Speaker 4: definitely some sponsors have backed out, including a hospitality company

542
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Speaker 4: called Blackbird, as well as American Express. This these allegations

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Speaker 4: of abuse have this is not these are not new.

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Speaker 4: There have been in the past, like as far back

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Speaker 4: as like you know, the early twenty twenties, things along

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Speaker 4: the lines of, you know, screaming at employees. There's even

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Speaker 4: a video that was your least I've read Zeppie screaming

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Speaker 4: at some of his staff. But he had come out

549
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Speaker 4: with statements saying that, Okay, I'm sorry, I've changed, you know,

550
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Speaker 4: I've got anger issues, this that and the other, but

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Speaker 4: I've never hit anybody. And now we're starting to see

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Speaker 4: these reports rolling out of folks saying that's just not

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Speaker 4: the case.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I remember, you know, you're you're absolutely right there. No,

555
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Speaker 3: I read a little bit about this story some of

556
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Speaker 3: those other allegations. But fellow foodies, we all recall, you know,

557
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Speaker 3: Nomah for a while was the number one restaurant in

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Speaker 3: the world, right up there with Spain's a boo yi,

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Speaker 3: but it wasn't. Didn't Nova also encounter an investigation into

560
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Speaker 3: their culture when they had some kind of contamination scandal.

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Speaker 4: I don't recall that one. I know they're very focused

562
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Speaker 4: on foraging and using like hyper local ingredients and you know,

563
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Speaker 4: mushrooms picked from the forest and things like that. I'm

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Speaker 4: certain that you're right, Ben, I didn't follow that one.

565
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Speaker 4: But there was another allegation, or at least controversy that

566
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Speaker 4: they were absolutely taking advantage of unpaid interns, and that

567
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: was you know, addressed by their pr wing and they

568
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 4: did make a change in that, you know, internships from

569
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Speaker 4: that point forward were paid. But even as red Zeppie

570
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Speaker 4: stepped away from running day to day operations. Some of

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Speaker 4: these allegations also include executive chefs that took his place

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Speaker 4: that he appointed carrying on a similar culture of fear, intimidation,

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Speaker 4: and abuse. So it again very much just seems like

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Speaker 4: much of the same. And then a culture of this

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff that I think even exceeds some of

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Speaker 4: the perceptions that we might have of how aggressive some

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Speaker 4: of these fine dining kitchens might be.

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Speaker 3: And a conspiracy of silence. I just found it, folks, right,

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Speaker 3: a conspiracy of silence because you don't want to make

580
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Speaker 3: enemies with the big right and you want to have

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Speaker 3: that on your CV or your resume. I think a

582
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Speaker 3: lot of us first heard whispers of this abuse of

583
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Speaker 3: culture back in twenty thirteen. That's when sixty three diners

584
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Speaker 3: apparently got neurovirus and eating at Noma, and then people

585
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: start to look into, you know, behind the front of

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Speaker 3: house to see what was happening in the kitchen, and

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Speaker 3: that's where they started finding some of these rumors of abuse.

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Speaker 3: But it looks like from twenty thirteen up until now

589
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Speaker 3: as we're recording, that stuff wasn't reported. Really, it was

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Speaker 3: kind of ignored or buried.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting stuff, especially in the wake of the

592
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Speaker 4: conversations that we just had about keeping quiet about things

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Speaker 4: like the VANA syndrome, keeping quiet about sexual assaults and

594
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Speaker 4: abuse in the military, it does seem like there is

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Speaker 4: a similar code of silence. And some of these really

596
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Speaker 4: sought after fine dining kitchens because you're just so lucky

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Speaker 4: to be there, or that's the sense, right that you

598
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Speaker 4: don't want to, you know, upset the apple.

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Speaker 2: Cart in a very real sense, having even just a

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Speaker 2: short time in a kitchen like that is going to

601
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Speaker 2: set you up for your next job, or your next

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Speaker 2: two jobs. Oh yeah, and I mean getting in a

603
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Speaker 2: in the world's best restaurant. If you get in that kitchen,

604
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Speaker 2: you were going to hang on to that like as

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Speaker 2: long as you possibly can.

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Speaker 4: And that's what a lot of these folks said in

607
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Speaker 4: their statements that, you know, while they did report the

608
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Speaker 4: horrible things that happened to them, they wrapped up a

609
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Speaker 4: lot of their statements with but I'm glad I did it.

610
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Speaker 4: It was worth it. It opened doors that would not

611
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Speaker 4: have otherwise been open. And that's the catalyst for this

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Speaker 4: kind of abuse to be able to continue, is they

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Speaker 4: know what they've got, you know, and it's there's a

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Speaker 4: sense of being untouchable, you guys.

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Speaker 2: Earlier, I was watching today a video. It was a

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Speaker 2: police police bodycam video.

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Speaker 4: Huge now on the youtubes man.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was an incident that occurred not that long

619
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Speaker 2: ago in Iowa where firefighters were called out because there

620
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Speaker 2: was some alarm going off at a frat house, and

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Speaker 2: police officers went down into the basement of this frat house.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna give you the specifics because it's I

623
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Speaker 2: don't know the full details of what was occurring or why.

624
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Speaker 2: And here's why. The police officers get into the frat house,

625
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Speaker 2: get to the basement, open a door in the basement,

626
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Speaker 2: and they see a whole bunch of young men without

627
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Speaker 2: shirts on, standing around in the dark. And then there

628
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Speaker 2: are other guys who are maybe a year older than them,

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Speaker 2: wearing hoodies and just not talking to police, not telling

630
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Speaker 2: anyone what's going on, not communicating anything to these police officers.

631
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Speaker 2: The men who without shirts appear to be in dress,

632
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Speaker 2: although they are telling the police officers, we are here

633
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Speaker 2: on our own free will, we want to be here,

634
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Speaker 2: we want this, we want this. And the police officers

635
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: are genuinely scared for these young men and they feel

636
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: like they need to do something. But because of the

637
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: way fraternities are set up, and in this case, it

638
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: was hazing rituals which were against the university's policies. So

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Speaker 2: they're like misdemeanors or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But adults, Yes, they're adults, and they refuse prosecution or investigation.

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Speaker 3: I've seen that video. It's so creepy because it's out

642
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Speaker 3: there in the dark. It's just chilling.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just insane, the cycle, the psychology of it. Right,

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Speaker 2: I am very much willing to go through whatever this

645
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Speaker 2: horrifying thing is because I believe that this is for

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Speaker 2: my own best interest in all.

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Speaker 4: Many ways it can be, and that's incredibly dangerous. Just

648
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Speaker 4: to wrap this one up, I mentioned a lot of

649
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Speaker 4: the physical abuse. One of the most chilling reports of

650
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Speaker 4: psychological abuse was read Zeppi encountering one of his chefs

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Speaker 4: listening to techno music, which is a genre that he

652
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Speaker 4: personally despised, and he forced this individual to say out

653
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: loud in front of the entire crew that something to

654
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 4: the effect of I give oral sex to DJs. Oh wow,

655
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: you know, just like humiliation ritual type stuff. And I

656
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 4: believe there was a sense that until he did this,

657
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 4: everyone else was going to be punished.

658
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Speaker 3: It's you know, it's going to be eternally mystifying to

659
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: a lot of people. Outside of that industry, how militaristic

660
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: kitchens can be very much not a democracy, right, and

661
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 3: how much abuse happens around the restaurant industry across the planet.

662
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: Nomah is in the headlines because this is severe, but

663
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: also because Noma is such a game changing three Michelin

664
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Speaker 3: star restaurant, you got to remember this stuff could be

665
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: happening in your local restaurants too well.

666
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Speaker 4: And I think it's not for nothing that I reference

667
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: the military abuses that we've been talking about, because the

668
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: whole structure of a lot of these fine dining restaurants

669
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Speaker 4: called brigades, it is based on military structures of like

670
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 4: having a hierarchy and uh, you know, yes, chef and

671
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 4: all of this kind of stuff. I mean, it is

672
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: very much a military structure at that level of fine dining.

673
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: So you're it's it's it's it's no, it's no coincidence

674
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 4: that you're going to start to see some of the

675
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: same abuses that you see creep into military situations.

676
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Speaker 2: Speaking of higher hierarchies, guys, my son just got confirmation

677
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: last night that he earned his black belts. He doesn't

678
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: have it yet, but he's he has earned it.

679
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: Nice.

680
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: That's amazing now, and and you know that's one of

681
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 2: those organizations at least song Taekwindo, the one he does

682
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: where you yes, sir, yes, ma'am everybody. And and now guys,

683
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Speaker 2: he is mister Frederick.

684
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: Awesome, congrats mister Frederick. Oh yeah, great man. I was

685
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: gonna I was going to ask you about that offline.

686
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: So glad to hear that, man.

687
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: And it's not to say that, you know, instilling respect

688
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: and authority figures and that level of rigor. And you know,

689
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 4: what's what I'm looking for.

690
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: Discipline.

691
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: Discipline isn't incredibly important and incredibly and powerful when treated appropriately.

692
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: Well, it's how you how you engage with the concept

693
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: of discipline and hierarchy and accountability. You know, when you're

694
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: when you're saying, hey, you are in this position, these

695
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: are your roles and responsibilities, this is your growth path.

696
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: That's discipline. That's great, that's very good for society. But

697
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: when you're saying, and this happened, you know in the

698
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: armed forces all the time as well, right when you're saying,

699
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: collective punishment is a thing that's going to happen. So everybody, remember,

700
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 3: we're going to have a blanket party because this dumbass polishers.

701
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: Shoes go to private pile.

702
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: F do right, and then we'll get on private pile

703
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: as a command structure and as your fellow Marines.

704
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 2: I feel like I kind of know what a blanket

705
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: party is, and I feel like I've seen it depicted.

706
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 4: Is this a way of delivering a beating with the

707
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: double metal mark full metal jacket? They cover you up

708
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: with blankets, they pull it down on either side of

709
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: the bed. Yeah, and then they beat it out of you.

710
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: But because I covered, it's less likely to leave visible

711
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 4: marks that can be reported, Like one thing I encountered

712
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 4: in the past would be phone books right back, phone

713
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 4: books or a.

714
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: Bag socks full of oranges? Is that's another win because

715
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: the thinking is the way it distributes what's hitting you,

716
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: is that it will not leave many noticeable bruises, but

717
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: it will still inflict me.

718
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: Got it.

719
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: And then if you're a restaurant, hey, you know what,

720
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: you can use the oranges later for dinner service.

721
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 4: They're presquos.

722
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: It's a win win.

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00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a win win. That one went all

724
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: the longer than I expect it. Actually I should have expected.

725
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: That's fascinating and it really does align with a lot

726
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 4: of the things we've been talking about lately, but I

727
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: will just mention the UFO story ut has been just

728
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: essentially is a use of AI that I'm intrigued by.

729
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: There is a UFO expert in Canada named Chris Ratkowski

730
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: who has spent decades researching the phenomenon as part of

731
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Speaker 4: ufology Research, which is an organization in Manitoba that tracks

732
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: UAP sightings in Canada, and reports are up in Canada.

733
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Speaker 4: I don't know if we've talked too much about that,

734
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 4: but it would appear that there is a rise in

735
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: reports of unidentified objects in the sky. Data collected by

736
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Speaker 4: ufology Research found that reports of one thy fifty two

737
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: UFO sities in Canada were filed last year, with government agencies, participating,

738
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Speaker 4: private organizations and through social media. This is from the

739
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Speaker 4: National Observer out of Canada, and Ratkowski believes that artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 4: machine learning, whatever you want to call it, can be

741
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Speaker 4: used to further investigate some of these sightings and differentiate

742
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Speaker 4: from things that are less worthy of investigation or perhaps

743
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: you know, things that could be a blip and mistaken

744
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: for such things that would maybe filtering out some of

745
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: the better filter it's a better filter. And I, for

746
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 4: one support this kind of use of that technology and

747
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: think that's a good example. We're always ragging on AI,

748
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: and for good reason, but this is the kind of

749
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 4: stuff I think is pretty neat.

750
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Speaker 3: I'm with it. I was also reading just earlier before

751
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: we began recording strange news that recent studies have found

752
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: another great use of AI AI in predicted predictive weather models.

753
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: Not only is it better than the older models, but

754
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: it uses less energy to find its results.

755
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: So it's not terrible a use of AI that uses

756
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 4: less energy. I'm interested, crazy, pretty neat.

757
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Speaker 3: I'll send it all find I'll please do.

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00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: I do worry a little bit about this technology's insistence

759
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: on hallucinating things, because I do feel like in the

760
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: weather patterns, you know, or in oh, let's say, looking

761
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: up at the sky and trying to analyze what's a UFO,

762
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 2: it might imagine some things and.

763
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: Then nuke them. That's what that what, that's what all

764
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: naturally happened. So maybe the current president wasn't that far

765
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: off base when he proposed nuking a hurricane. Maybe he

766
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: was just thinking about AI decisions set it on fire.

767
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 3: I loved it when he just fight. It was like

768
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: it was like a classic nineteen eighties comic doing stand

769
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: up and going what else? What else? Hurricane? We could

770
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: nuke it all up the moon.

771
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: We have this hurricane in the left corner, hurricane in

772
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: the right corner, typhoon. We will finally know which one

773
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: we support.

774
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: American.

775
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: Our hurricanes are American.

776
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: Damn it.

777
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: But that's okay. So that's where we're at. We're in

778
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: a weird timeline and we are aware I should mention

779
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: on this on this conversation, not to make a school long,

780
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: but we are aware of the ongoing debate between AI

781
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: companies and the Department of Defense or Department of War.

782
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: So we'll be following up more on that for sure.

783
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: And last thing, because you teazed it, Ben, Yes, that

784
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: was Jim Carrey at the fifty first Caesar Awards in Paris.

785
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: There was a quick flash in the pan conspiracy theory

786
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 4: that took the Internet by storm briefly that this individual

787
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 4: appearing at this awards ceremony was in fact some sort

788
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: of clone or body double of Jim Carrey, and that

789
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: rumor was exacerbated by an Instagram post by the makeup

790
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 4: artist and drag performer Alexis Stone, who is famous for

791
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 4: doing very very realistic impersonations of celebrities. This person posted

792
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 4: an image of a mask type thing looks very much

793
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: like the I think you should leave Havoc guy mask

794
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: and a pair of removable teeth next to it, and

795
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 4: a wig on a wighead, and then through the window

796
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: you can see the Eiffel Tower eagle eyed or not

797
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 4: even that eagle eyed. Instagram users were quick to point

798
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 4: out that this is the most ai looking crap imaginable,

799
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: and this was a good case of someone just kind

800
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 4: of clout farming and trying to stir up the pot

801
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: to get some engagement. It would appear that mister Carey

802
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: has undergone some filler operations. He hasn't been in the

803
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 4: public eye for quite some time, per his own choice.

804
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: You may recall he very actively said that he is

805
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: no longer a celebrity, he's no longer an actor and

806
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 4: has not been photographed publicly, and in that's that amount

807
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: of time, people can change the way they look. It

808
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 4: does appear that that's the case. He may have had

809
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 4: some swelling. One thing that was pointing out was it

810
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: his eye color change. I don't know about that haven't

811
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 4: seen any evidence as to what may have gone on there,

812
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: but mister Carey does seem to have been slightly miffed

813
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 4: by the reports that it was not him and says

814
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 4: it definitely was.

815
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Speaker 2: That's a fun idea, guys, get some colored contacts in

816
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: case any of us ever gets famous enough to be

817
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: paparazzied and then just have our eye colors change.

818
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Speaker 4: Well, given Jim Carrey's obsession with guys like Andy Kaufman

819
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: who pulled stunts like this, like as a as a

820
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: public whatever performed piece of performance art to extreme comedy,

821
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: it does seem like the kind of thing he might

822
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Speaker 4: have done. M hmm, like like to hire somebody like

823
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: Alexis Stone. Because I'm not gonna lie, I didn't look

824
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 4: too closely at that image, but when I saw the

825
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 4: post from Alexis Stone, I kind of believed it for

826
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 4: a second thought. Maybe they leagued up together and did

827
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 4: this as some kind of fun, spoofy publicity stunt. And

828
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Speaker 4: because he also said some things when he was interviewed

829
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Speaker 4: about this is the face that I love the most,

830
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: and that was dissected and pointed out as being a

831
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Speaker 4: bit of a wink and a nod to the fact

832
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Speaker 4: that it might be a false face.

833
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Speaker 3: Well, there's the other there's another aspect here. It was

834
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 3: confusing to me because I love Jim Carrey met Jim yet.

835
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: But I guess he's got the love of the boundary

836
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: pushing comedians, and he's got a lot of interesting stuff

837
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: to say about conspiracies. But we also have to acknowledge

838
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: there's another huge social dynamic in Hollywood that is pretty brutal,

839
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: that says you can't seem to age naturally. And it's

840
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: just so bizarre to me that a guy known legendarily

841
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: so for his beautiful facial expressions, his wonderful impressions, all

842
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: that stuff, maybe the social pressure got to him, But

843
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: it seems like it would be bad for the mobility

844
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: of your face. I don't get the threshold.

845
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Speaker 4: I don't get it. I just don't understand the impulse.

846
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: It just looks odd to me, and it does seem

847
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: to be a product of that Hollywood mentality. And you know,

848
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: do what you will, what makes you feel better, what

849
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: makes you feel good. I'm not oppost to anybody doing

850
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: what is right for them personally. I just think it's

851
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: unfortunately that it would seem that some people take these

852
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: steps and in my opinion, end up looking having this

853
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 4: uncanny valley quality that just is is far more unusual

854
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: and off putting than if they just age naturally.

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00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 2: That's it, agreed, yep.

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00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick break here, a word from our sponsor,

857
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 4: and then we back with our last strange news segment.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Oh, guys, aren't you excited? We're talking Epstein?

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Speaker 4: Do do do do?

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Speaker 2: Do? Do?

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Speaker 1: Do do?

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00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: I have heard him mentioned in ages.

863
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: We're talking j ee vacation. Guys, here we go. This

864
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: is coming out of Detroit News via the Miami Herald.

865
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: Because I didn't pay for Miami Harold. Prison guards discussed

866
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: cover up of Epstein's death. Inmate tells FBI. This is

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Speaker 2: published March eighth, twenty twenty six. I'm just gonna read

868
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: quite a bit of this. Guys. Please just put a

869
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: hand up and stop me, because I'm just gonna read

870
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: through because a lot of this is very important, and

871
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: then we can discuss analyze in between. An inmate housed

872
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: in the Metropolitan Correctional Center told the FBI he overheard

873
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: guards talking about covering up Jeffrey Epstein's death on the

874
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: morning he died. This is pretty crazy. It's a five

875
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: page handwritten report of an FBI interview with an inmate

876
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: who was there, who woke up in the morning on

877
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 2: August tenth, twenty nineteen, to what was at least written

878
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: down as a loud commotion in the special housing unit

879
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 2: where Jeffrey Epstein was housed. According to this note, he

880
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: overheard breathe, breathe, and then dudes, you killed that dude.

881
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: Isn't that kind of crazy?

882
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: You can kill that.

883
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: Dude that's up there with don't tasee me, bro.

884
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: But here, well exactly, here's the next line. According to

885
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: this statement, a female guard said, if he is dead,

886
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 2: we're going to cover it up, and he's going to

887
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: have an alibi.

888
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: My officers, I'm loudly announcing our plan. Everyone. Everyone, don't worry,

889
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: don't We're going to cover it up. Guys meet me

890
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: at the clubhouse.

891
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 2: It sounds crazy, right, It sounds like something that wouldn't happen.

892
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: The other side of me has to allow for the possibility,

893
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: in a moment of panic, right, that this isn't a

894
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: loud conversation. This is a dude. You kill that dude

895
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: if he's dead. We're gonna cover it up, and he's

896
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: gonna have an alibi my officers, like if it's under

897
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: hushed breath potentially, But then if you look at the

898
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: pictures that we have we've analyzed before on this show

899
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 2: of the actual cells and how they are located, how

900
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: secure it is, and how each one of those cells

901
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: has a teeny tiny window on the door that you

902
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: can actually see through, and if that door is closed.

903
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: It seems as though we haven't a acoustically tested this place,

904
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: but it seems as though it might be difficult to

905
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 2: hear things going on inside a closed cell, but it's

906
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: not going to be closed if other people are in

907
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 2: that cell, right right?

908
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 4: Is he saying like listen here, my officers, that's an

909
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 4: odd people.

910
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: With female guard is kind of rallying the troops like,

911
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 3: my boys, yeah.

912
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: How do you do, fellow officers?

913
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: Exactly till we also, I mean, we to that scenario.

914
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: We know that if this happened, if this report to

915
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: the FBI is does indeed have veracity, then we have

916
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: to acknowledge that this could have been an accidental moment

917
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: of panic, and when people are panicking, they're maybe not

918
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: as circumspect as they should. Yeah, like you break up,

919
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: you break a plate at the sleepover because you were

920
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 3: rough housing, and then you know, your kids, you all

921
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 3: get together and you like whisper really quick, like what happened?

922
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: Does your mom care about that plate? Yes? About that plate?

923
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 4: Or you or you poop your pants and you, you know,

924
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 4: hastily hide the evidence and then my mom, that didn't

925
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: happen to me.

926
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: What shut up?

927
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you. It's actually really difficult to force

928
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: yourself to poop yourself.

929
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: Okay. The handwritten note identified uh the officer as Tova Noel,

930
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: someone we've discussed before on this show. And we're going

931
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 2: to continue talking about this before we even talk about

932
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: any of that, let's just put this out there. The

933
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: New York Post has reached out to lawyers for Noel,

934
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: who declined to comment, and during her sworn statement, she

935
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: was asked if she had any part in Epstein's death

936
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: and she replied no. So let's just put that there

937
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: right now. Let's go back to this note, because the

938
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: witness said miss Noel killed Jeffrey. That is what the

939
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 2: witness said, who says he overheard these people talking and

940
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: what was going on? Oh no excuse me. He says

941
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: that the inmates were all saying miss Noel killed Jeffrey.

942
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: That's a very different situation, right, This is that becomes hearsay.

943
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 4: But he did.

944
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: But he did identify Toven Noel, who was charged with

945
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: falsifying reports. Remember we talked about this. She and it

946
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: was Tovin Noel and one other officer that were on

947
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: duty that night that Jeffrey Epstein died, and they both

948
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: falsified reports that they were making checks every thirty minutes

949
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: and they were not. One of them was sleeping, one

950
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: of them was googling. A whole bunch of stuff. So

951
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: let's head on down to the next article, which does

952
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: come from the New York Post. Epstein prison guard googled

953
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: him minutes before body found and made mysterious deposit before suicide.

954
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: This is from the Department of Justice. Going back to

955
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: Tovin no Well, she's one of the two that was there.

956
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: She's accused of falsifying records. She googled, according to DOJ,

957
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: latest on Epstein in jail at five forty two in

958
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: the morning and then again at five point fifty two

959
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: in the morning. This is forty minutes before her colleague

960
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: the other officer who was on duty, Michael Thomas, found

961
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's.

962
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 3: Body less than forty minutes.

963
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: Right, six six thirty is the official time. Six thirty

964
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: in the morning is the official time when he's found

965
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: at least.

966
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: Four or after it was posted on four chan.

967
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, Sorry, Jesus, that is interesting. I think

968
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: it would have to be before. Yes, the four cham

969
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: poster was talling. Just recap, folks. The four jam poster

970
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 3: is talking about, uh, the body being transported before the

971
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: news is publicly announced.

972
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: Right, so he's discovered, there's a big to do, then

973
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: his body gets transported somewhere. Sorry, I know this is

974
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: a lot you can do.

975
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 4: No, this is fascinating and it's I'm glad to at

976
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 4: least have a little bit of levity in how goofy

977
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: this communication was. But oil boy, is it just more

978
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: bs upon bs. It's just like it's a lot to swallow.

979
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: It feels really weird because all of that coming out

980
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: by the DOJ And when when tovin Noel was was questioned,

981
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: she says, I don't remember doing that. That's not accurate.

982
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't recall looking him up. And that is kind

983
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: of a weird thing to do, right.

984
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: Computer, Yeah, computer, Yeah, Yeah.

985
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: It's it's there, yeah, in the the tiny little like

986
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: desk space there that we've looked at in these pictures.

987
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing to look at. Let's say, let's

988
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: say she knew this is speculation. Let's say she knew

989
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: he was dead. What is the purpose of looking that up?

990
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: Is it? Yeah, it's a good question. It's one of

991
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 3: my questions I had. I'm sure a lot of us

992
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: had this were reading this news while back, folks. One

993
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: of my first questions was, Okay, if it's a work computer,

994
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 3: just walk with me here, guys, thought experiment. If it's

995
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: a work computer, then someone can have a log in

996
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: and it doesn't necessarily mean the activity under their log

997
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: in is actually them. So therefore, is it possible we

998
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 3: just have to make room for it. Is it possible

999
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: that Noel was logged in, but wasn't the person actually

1000
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: at the keys?

1001
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: But potentially, as of right now, the only other person

1002
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: there is Michael is Michael being the other for Michael Thomas,

1003
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: But maybe there's somebody else in the facility at the

1004
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: time that I mean, we've always kind of asked that question,

1005
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: why were all of the security cameras turned off. If

1006
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: there was another person that wasn't supposed to be there,

1007
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: then maybe you would turn off the cameras. I don't know.

1008
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: And it gets wanted. Yeah, if you wanted to muddy

1009
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: the water, this is why this is possibility is exciting.

1010
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: If you wanted to muddy the water, then make the

1011
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: guards scapegoats, make them fall guys. Oh, make them google

1012
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: on their work computer. What what's the news about the

1013
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: most important guy in the prison.

1014
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1015
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 4: Have y'all heard about this Hulu show called Paradise.

1016
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: I've heard of it. I've not seen yet.

1017
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 3: I just started watching last night.

1018
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 4: I'm it's hard to talk to him too without giving

1019
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 4: it away. But it involves a situation of a very

1020
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 4: high profile individual who is killed and some suspicious activity

1021
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 4: going on with the surveillance and guards and various things

1022
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 4: like that, and it's I'm in it's so good. There's

1023
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 4: also a mega cool twist, highly recommended. I didn't know

1024
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: about this. So many big, expensive shows seemed to fly

1025
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 4: under the radar these days, but I was looking for

1026
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: something new, and it is right up the alley of

1027
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 4: anyone that's into our show. And these types of conspiracies.

1028
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: That's amazing. We're going to watch that for journal. Let's

1029
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: jump back really quickly to Epstein, because Chase Bank flagged

1030
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: some pretty strange cash deposits in Tobinoel's bank account in

1031
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: a quote suspicious activity report to the FBI back in

1032
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: November twenty nineteen. This is very weird stuff. A total

1033
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: of twelve deposits began in April twenty eighteen, which culminated

1034
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: in the largest deposit for five thousand dollars on July thirtieth,

1035
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Remember the date there of Epstein's death is

1036
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: August tenth, twenty nineteen, so this is at the end

1037
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: of July. There were seven total cash deposits totaling eleven

1038
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty dollars. But that's not all of them.

1039
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: So that's seven of them equaling that, and there's still

1040
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: some that like five others that are unknown at least

1041
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: according to this DOJ report. She started working at the

1042
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: Special Housing unit on July seventh, twenty nineteen, just a

1043
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: couple of weeks before Jeffrey Epstein died. This is kind

1044
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: of weird. She's a corrections officer. This doesn't mean anything, right,

1045
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: this is just one of these little weird little things

1046
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: that might ping in your brain. Tovin Nowell drove a

1047
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: land Rover range Rover which was a estimated to be

1048
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: a sixty two thousand dollars vehicle, which is just you know,

1049
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: people drive nice cars sometimes, and then that's.

1050
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 4: The highest end of high end.

1051
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: No, no, but that is a very nice vehicle. That's

1052
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 2: a freaking and they're pointing that out there that maybe

1053
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: that has something to do with the cash, maybe not,

1054
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 2: or maybe something else right, like a gift, complete speculation there.

1055
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,959
Speaker 3: Corruption doesn't have to be a single event, you know. Again,

1056
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: it's also kind of like breaking the seal for anybody

1057
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: who's met had the dubious fortune to be part of

1058
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: America's biggest housing system, you have probably met corrupt prison guards.

1059
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: Hmm, very much. So let's go to another internal FBI

1060
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: briefing that occurred wherein it states, at approximately ten forty PM,

1061
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: a correctional officer believed to be Toba Noel carried linen

1062
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: or inmate clothing up to the L tier that's Jeffrey

1063
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: Epstein's tier. That's the last time any correctional officer approached

1064
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: the only entrance to the special housing unit tier, and

1065
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein allegedly hanged himself with strips of orange cloth.

1066
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: When Toba Noel was questioned about why there was so

1067
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: much extra orange linen within Jeffrey Epstein's cell, she said

1068
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: she did not know. And she also stated that she

1069
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: never gave out linen ever, and the last time she

1070
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: saw Epstein alive was somewhere around ten, which is, you know,

1071
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: these are all interesting things, but within this FBI in

1072
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: internal briefing, it's the first time we see Tova Noel

1073
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: or anybody identified within that weird, grainy footage that we

1074
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: got to finally take a look at where there appears

1075
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 2: to be something orange going up that tiny little strip

1076
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: of stairs you can see from the one camera shot

1077
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 2: that was active. You guys, remember that there's one tiny

1078
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: little active Yes, you see the orange in going up.

1079
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1080
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: And because there was extra orange linen within Jeffrey Epstein's cell,

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Speaker 2: like a whole bunch of it. Have you guys seen

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Speaker 2: the picture of his cell with all the orange linen?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember this?

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Speaker 3: Noel? I do?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm saying, like what you're telling me is

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Speaker 4: baking mind, I'm showing it but I know it's insane, dude.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's so much extra linen within his cell, and

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Speaker 2: there was a tiny little strip of it that is

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Speaker 2: said to be the thing that killed him, that he

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Speaker 2: killed himself with. Does all of this kind of doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel good, guys, And it's very interesting to me that

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Speaker 2: you now have to go down the rabbit hole of

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out where that cash came from, if

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Speaker 2: it actually has anything to do with either a payoff

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Speaker 2: guys or protection, because it is it has been shown

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Speaker 2: in here in some of these newer reports that it

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Speaker 2: was known Jeffrey Epstein was paying protection money to some

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Speaker 2: of the correctional officers, which is a thing that happens.

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Speaker 3: Oh very much. So yeah, I mean, look at other

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Speaker 3: cases of organized crime, you know, when you have the

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Speaker 3: wise guys locked up and they use a series of

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Speaker 3: carrots and sticks against the warden and the guards to

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Speaker 3: get sweetheart deals. And especially because we know the investigation

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Speaker 3: is still ongoing, but we know one of the most

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Speaker 3: mysterious aspects of the entire Epstein scandal is what happens

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Speaker 3: to the money. Right, we don't even know for sure

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Speaker 3: how much money he was touching, So it's quite. I

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Speaker 3: would say it's incredibly likely that he did everything he

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Speaker 3: could financially right or with other means of influence to

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Speaker 3: improve his situation.

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Speaker 4: There's no way to do hung himself. There's no way. So, dude,

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Speaker 4: he's people people like that don't have enough like humility,

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Speaker 4: don't have enough sense of self. That guy wasn't capable

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Speaker 4: of experiencing remorse. That's why someone does something like that.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not remorse, Maybe it's fear of we just don't

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Speaker 4: know the incarceration, ye or whatever. I just don't see it, man, I.

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Speaker 3: Just don't see the whole story, you know. And I

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Speaker 3: don't know about you guys, but I'm always very hesitant

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Speaker 3: from my perspective to speculate too much about psychological motivation

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01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: and a specific thing unless I've met the person. And

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Speaker 3: I'm proud to say I've not met Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 4: And remorse is the wrong word.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been about that. It would have been,

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Speaker 4: if anything, fear of being you know, having a life

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Speaker 4: in prison and being abused, not being able to be

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Speaker 4: up for it, or you know, being the fortitude for it.

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Speaker 4: But I just don't think given what you're talking about

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Speaker 4: and his level of influence and wealth and all of

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Speaker 4: the contingency plans. I think he would have been spirited

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Speaker 4: away or something or figured out a way to get

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Speaker 4: out of it.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know, maybe we don't know any

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Speaker 2: of these answers. And I'm just and not to push back, Ben,

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Speaker 2: I would just say, I think something like the FBI's

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01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: Behavioral Science Unit does that very thing only with serial

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Speaker 2: killers generally, or you know, serial abusers or something like that.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just saying from my perspective, I'm not qualified.

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Speaker 2: Oh of course, yeah, none of us are, very few

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: people are. But the I think there is something to

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01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: be gained there to think about that, but more to

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01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: be gained if you follow money, and always there's more

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01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 2: to be gained if you follow money. In this case,

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01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 2: there is a pretty clearly identified person who was there

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01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 2: at the time of Jeffrey Epstein's death, who was getting

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: cash deposits. And if that is not a lead that

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01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: should be followed to the absolute extent that it could

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: possibly be followed, then I don't know what exists out

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01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: they're you know, what evidence exists of anything they could

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Speaker 2: be followed.

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Speaker 3: It's such a strong lead that if you if someone's

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01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 3: not following it, it makes me question the motivations or

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Speaker 3: the competence of the investigators.

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Speaker 2: Precisely. The only reason why you don't follow that all

1156
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: the way through is because you are trying to hide something.

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 2: And especially if you're the Department of Justice, if you're

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: the FBI, if you're if you're any organization that has

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: the ability to investigate this thing, it should be And

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 2: and you know, sworn statements are they they're great and

1161
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: they make sense. But there's evidence, there is evidence to

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01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 2: be followed.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. Yeah, because evidence speaks with far more

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 3: gravity than a sworn statement, even though a statement could

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01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: be used as evidence. If we have routing numbers and

1166
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 3: we have a way to a way to travel or

1167
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: navigate the financial network, that's when we start seeing big results.

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe be people who want to judiciously,

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01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: fairly and thoroughly investigate this. Maybe they're getting little threats already,

1170
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: you know, maybe cryptic emails are like, hey, don't get havaned, yeah,

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01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 3: or cash.

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01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: Or maybe I don't know, a pair of one hundred

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01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: and forty five dollars floor shim shoes. Anybody see the

1174
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: report on that. Do you guys know about this?

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01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't fit.

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01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 4: Okay.

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: The President of the United States has a habit of

1178
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: buying everybody who is around him pairs of one hundred

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01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: and forty five dollars floor shine black shiny shoes like

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01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: dress shoes.

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01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 3: But he guesses the size.

1182
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: Yes, he guesses the size of everybody around him, including

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01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, who does not have that large a feet,

1184
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: mister president, And you can see them in the pictures. Guys,

1185
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: this is a weird and hilarious story. Definitely look it

1186
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 2: up because everyone around President Trump is afraid to wear

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01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 2: other shoes because you're not wearing the shoes that the

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01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: president got you, So they wear giant shoes that don't

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Speaker 2: fit them.

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01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 3: They look like claws, friends, neighbors. They look like it

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01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 3: is real. Uh, it shouldn't be. This is not my

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01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 3: favorite of the timelines, but they it's very much like

1193
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: the Emperor has no clothes, or how it has no

1194
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: clothing or how in the days of absolute monarchy, everybody

1195
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 3: had to pretend that the king's wild mercurial demands were

1196
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 3: made some sort of sets, you know what I mean.

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01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 4: And we also know that Trump is pretty famous for

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 4: wearing ill fitting suits. So he's just maybe.

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Speaker 3: Station of that deal with floor Shine, you know what

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 3: I mean, they distributed to the campaign, and he was like,

1201
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 3: I got your back for life.

1202
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 4: This is unrelatedly related, but I did see a story

1203
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 4: about how Barren Trump has been for many years seen

1204
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 4: wearing ill fitting suits.

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 4: And the reason for that is because he's got body

1207
01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 4: armor on underneath.

1208
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 3: He's also too tall for the military.

1209
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wait what Okay, the.

1210
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 3: Official reasoning for him not going into military service, or

1211
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 3: one of the recent statements from the White House is

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 3: that at six feet nine inches, he is too tall

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 3: to be in the armed forces. That is, by the way,

1214
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah it is tall, But by the way, folks, that

1215
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: is also not a real reason to not be in

1216
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:26,520
Speaker 3: the military.

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't go in because I didn't. I didn't

1218
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: want to go in the military.

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01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. He could have just said that, you know what

1220
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean. It's just such a weird way to try

1221
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 3: to also brag like I could go to the military.

1222
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 3: I was too tall. Oh. I wasn't invited to the Oscars.

1223
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 3: It's not because my movie was bad. It's because everybody

1224
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 3: there wants to sleep with me. And it was just

1225
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:50,959
Speaker 3: too much chaos.

1226
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: I've been seeing a lot of videos from former certainly

1227
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 4: that that's sore active service members talking about how Trump

1228
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 4: is a I would have joined butt guy, and how

1229
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 4: oftentimes those people are like the worst and it's absolutely

1230
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 4: a type because they think they know what it's like

1231
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 4: and they think they know how it should be done,

1232
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 4: but they've never actually done it or been even adjacent

1233
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 4: to it. And uh, yeah, it's been very interesting seeing

1234
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 4: some of the perspectives from actual active service members talking

1235
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 4: about that phenomenon.

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01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 3: I think you could at least silently return the shoes

1237
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: to the manufacturer and get an identical pair that's in

1238
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 3: your size.

1239
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 4: What are big shoes referred to often as guys clown.

1240
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 3: Shoes, all right, saying we're pro clown here, just clowns

1241
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 3: in their place.

1242
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 4: And I was the.

1243
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: Ben I was thinking the same thing, and then I

1244
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: was imagining that somehow these shoes get marked, you know,

1245
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: so like if you ever take off your shoes, they

1246
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: like Trump signed each one or something to where he

1247
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: would know.

1248
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 4: Or there's tracking device in the heel, there's a tracking

1249
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 4: device in the listening devices in the Oh my god,

1250
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 4: like Maxwell smart.

1251
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 3: There we go, there we go get us a pair

1252
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: of Floorsheim shoes. Folks, this strange news has brought to

1253
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 3: you by Floersheim. What else?

1254
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm a swig company, what else?

1255
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 3: There's more to come on the Epstein stuff. I thought

1256
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 3: that was awesome, Matt, and thank you for bringing that

1257
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 3: to us. I know a lot of us have been

1258
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: obsessively following this story, because I won't even say obsessively,

1259
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 3: it's just an important thing to be aware of and

1260
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 3: to follow. You know this is a grand conspiracy.

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01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: Well, isn't it crazy to see official statements from like

1262
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: Iranian officials amidst bombing and all out war officials are

1263
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: calling the United States and Israel the Epstein regime or

1264
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 2: the Epstein Cabalah. Isn't that just? And they're kind of

1265
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: not wrong?

1266
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 4: Guys?

1267
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 3: Are we the baddies? Mitchell and webar once again we

1268
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 3: might be the batties? Well hopefully where batties in the

1269
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 3: hip hop sense? Yeah, that two villainous sense.

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:06,679
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