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Speaker 1: Second date of day.

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Speaker 2: First impressions are everything pretty important. Like Brook, what did

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Speaker 2: you think when you first met me that very first day?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember you trying to put your hands

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Speaker 2: all over me, But what thoughts you were dancing around

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Speaker 2: in your mind?

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Speaker 3: I think you were a promotion kid. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that you left a huge mark on me. Jeff, I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: She was leading the claw marks onto me. That's what's

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Speaker 2: the main thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: She's been cruel for self preservation.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I do know is first impressions can make

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Speaker 2: or break a romantic connection.

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Speaker 3: You're scared, That's what I remember.

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Speaker 2: That's just the look in Brook's eyes when she was

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Speaker 2: eyeing my entire body. It was.

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 2: But with first impressions, sometimes it could be the smile

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Speaker 2: that stands out. It could be the outfit. It could

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Speaker 2: be something you didn't even expect, like what's happening below

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Speaker 2: the ankles? The ankles, some action, you got some planner fascy.

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Speaker 2: It is going on down there, girl, it's working for me.

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Speaker 2: And I'll just say our listener, Derek had a very

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Speaker 2: interesting first impression with his date. So let's find out

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Speaker 2: about it. Derek, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Please tell me it's above the ankles.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out. What's this girl's name that you met recently?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I recently met Julia on a dating app.

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Speaker 4: Okay, is that where you're talking about the first impression

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Speaker 4: or the first impression when you met in person.

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Speaker 1: No, it was when we met in person. And I

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Speaker 1: know this is going to sound kind of weird, but

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Speaker 1: she was not quite as cute as her pictures. Oh well, well,

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Speaker 1: but here's the weird part. Not until later on in

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Speaker 1: the date.

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Speaker 3: Were you drinking?

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Speaker 1: No, not exactly. The impression I got is that she

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Speaker 1: kind of forgot about the date and she came in

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Speaker 1: right from a workout.

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Speaker 4: Oh that makes sense, so she wasn't all done up.

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Speaker 3: I see, right, right?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Did she get cuter?

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Speaker 4: Like the more you got to know her, because I

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Speaker 4: know some people that, Yeah, Like after you know him,

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Speaker 4: you're like, oh my god, I could see why they're

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Speaker 2: Just talking about me again. Over here, we're talking to

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Speaker 2: Derek about him and Julia.

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Speaker 1: That was definitely part of it. But there were also

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Speaker 1: like some circumstances, like as the date progressed.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it started raining and and so then she was

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Speaker 5: twirling in the rain.

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Speaker 1: That would be interesting. Basically, the best part was is

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Speaker 1: that even though she looked a little like frazzled, I

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Speaker 1: could tell that she had like a cool vibe. I

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Speaker 1: could tell she was really stylish. I could tell she

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Speaker 1: were talking about like travel. I had just gone to

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Speaker 1: London last year and she went to Paris two years ago.

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Speaker 1: We were sharing stories about that.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask, do we know where you are? Like

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Speaker 3: what'd you guys do?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We met at this like rooftop bar.

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Speaker 1: It was great. We met for drinks and we were

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Speaker 1: like we got a little food and we were like

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Speaker 1: eating off each other's plate. Whoa yeah, And honestly you

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Speaker 1: kind of got like messy would be the way I

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Speaker 2: Like, yes, let's talk about this, let's get into the

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Speaker 2: messy stuff mess on a rooftop or how messy did

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Speaker 2: we get?

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Speaker 1: I would say it was like a date brought to

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Speaker 1: you by ty to goo.

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Speaker 2: Spilled.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah I did. I did a couple things. She

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Speaker 1: made a mess on the cloth napkins and she like

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Speaker 1: like bloody napkins, and we were laughing about it. It

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Speaker 1: was like part of the fun of the day. And

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Speaker 1: I like, that's something that ran through my mind, is like,

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Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't just think I'm this like swab

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that was it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who cares if you inconvenienced everybody in

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Speaker 2: the bar and all the employees there. As long as

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Speaker 2: the two of you were vibing. Really, that's all that

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Speaker 2: matters in.

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Speaker 1: This scenario, and the fair, fair, fair.

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Speaker 6: That's good.

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Speaker 2: So how did that night end?

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Speaker 1: Well, So this is where I'm like pretty sure that

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Speaker 1: I didn't read the vibes wrong. Right, So at the end,

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Speaker 1: she was like, I'm sorry, you know what, I feel

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Speaker 1: really gross, Like I didn't get a chance to like

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Speaker 1: clean up, and she was like, do you want to

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Speaker 1: come over and I'll like clean up. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think she would have like asked me over if she

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Speaker 1: wasn't into the date and wasn't feeling it.

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Speaker 5: No, I had this guy texting her friends, I'm just

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Speaker 5: gonna invite him over for a couple hours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, maybe she wanted him to clean her up,

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Speaker 4: Them do it, like a pair of monkeys picking bugs

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Speaker 4: out of each other's hair.

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Speaker 2: Brook's done it before.

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Speaker 4: No, that is definitely a green flag. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if it's a green flag that she wants a relationship

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Speaker 4: with you, but it definitely means that she likes you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, did you say yes to that invite?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. We hung out for like several hours and

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Speaker 1: it was getting late. We were in bed. We didn't

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Speaker 1: like go all the way. I'm not gonna really get

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Speaker 1: into the details of that, but okay, I didn't say

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Speaker 1: the whole night because I was like, I actually do

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Speaker 1: have to work the next day, so I needed to

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Speaker 1: be in my space, you know. And I left really late,

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Speaker 1: and we had like been in bed together, and I

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Speaker 2: It's possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe do you believe a guy who says I

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Speaker 2: People work on the weekends too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I could just see where she may be like,

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Speaker 4: oh man, he didn't like me.

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Speaker 6: I think I was.

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Speaker 5: Like a question though, did you tell her that? Like,

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Speaker 1: Or oh yeah. The first text that I sent to

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Speaker 1: hope you slept well and last night was great and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 3: Did she respond to that text?

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Speaker 1: So that's just it. It's been seven or eight days.

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Speaker 1: I have texted her a few times to like check in.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been completely ghosted, but I just the not

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Speaker 1: getting back a lot. Like in the beginning, I got

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Speaker 3: Off and.

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Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, well, hopefully we get more than one

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Speaker 5: We have to leave a good first impression with her.

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Speaker 5: Yea all things about first impression.

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Speaker 3: Her first impression was she wasn't that cute, So we're

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Speaker 3: good at that.

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Speaker 2: We'll just try and do it the normal way when

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Speaker 2: we come back, call Julia and get you your second

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Speaker 2: date update. Right after this hold on second date update,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a quick recap here on the second

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Speaker 2: date update if you're just joining us.

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Speaker 6: Listener.

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Speaker 2: Derek met Julia at a rooftop bar for drinks and

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Speaker 2: super messy food she had apparently comes straight from a workout.

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Speaker 2: So at the end of the date, she invited Derek

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Speaker 5: Something more comfortable.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, is there a better question?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I to ask, we know what that usually means.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that felt good. It did lead to them in bed.

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Speaker 2: They did lie in the same bed at some point

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Speaker 2: because Derek stayed he said half the night or a

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Speaker 2: quarter of the night. I'm not really sure how to

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Speaker 2: explain it, but yeah, didn't stay the whole night. But

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Speaker 2: now he is not getting a call back and isn't

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Speaker 2: sure why. And that brings us to this moment right here.

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Speaker 6: And remember you said he's not fully being ghosted.

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Speaker 5: But it's like little short answers. Something's off.

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Speaker 4: It's weird that there's such a turn, such a turn

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Speaker 4: in that energy from her.

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Speaker 2: Derek, did we miss anything that you did wrong or

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Speaker 2: that you could have done?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't think so. Like I said, I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I really like this girl.

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Speaker 1: I've heard you guys help people before. I've heard people.

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Speaker 3: Like try to help people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you get to the bottom of a misunderstanding,

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Speaker 1: and like I've heard people have a second date and

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Speaker 1: get past the problem. So I'd like to just know

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Speaker 1: what the problem is so I can fix it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, look at that. That's emotional maturity.

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Speaker 6: Will Yeah, we.

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Speaker 2: Don't normally like that here, But that's fine. We'll work

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Speaker 2: with it. Let's call Julia. We'll see if she picks

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Speaker 2: up and get those answers you want.

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Speaker 6: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Really, stop being so nice. It's irritating where we go.

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Speaker 2: She's obviously the problem.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hello, Hi, we're gonna speak with Julia.

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Speaker 1: It's a ship.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Julia, thanks for picking up Julia, I said, we

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Speaker 2: because you're on a radio show right now called Brook

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Speaker 2: and Jeffrey in the Morning.

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Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 7: Oh oh oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't happen very often, I'm sure, mostly because there's

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Speaker 4: not very many radio shows left.

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Speaker 2: Yah, that's part of it. And this is a segment

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Speaker 2: that we do on our show called a second date update.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Okay, okay, I.

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Speaker 7: Think it could.

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Speaker 4: I think this one's going to be good. Honestly, I

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Speaker 4: think you're going to be excited about this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I got a good guy. Yeah, and I hope this

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Speaker 2: doesn't sound weird, but we heard you went out with

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Speaker 2: a guy named Derek recently.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, what No, it sounded like you were into Derek.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it could just be that she's like nervous on

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Speaker 2: the radio.

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Speaker 5: Tell her again and you can react again.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 7: No, I've definitely not been on the radio. But I

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Speaker 7: don't really want to talk about Derek either.

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Speaker 2: Well, Derek told us about the hangout you two had

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Speaker 2: the other night, and it sounded really fun the way

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Speaker 2: he described it.

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Speaker 7: It was fun good.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you got to understand how he's confused. You

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Speaker 7: So, yes, I definitely I am a shoe kind of

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Speaker 2: Guys know exactly how men think. So true.

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Speaker 2: Oah, did you consider that?

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Speaker 7: And I didn't want to be rude either, And so

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Speaker 3: That's really funny because it's hard to snuggle with shoes on.

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Speaker 7: But it gets worse, you guys, it gets worse.

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Speaker 2: How does it get worse?

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Speaker 7: I don't I mean maybe he didn't tell you, but

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Speaker 3: What okay, he got into your bed with his shoes on? Ew,

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Speaker 7: I was appalled and I'm like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 7: Are you insane? You know? I didn't say anything.

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Speaker 4: I think that, like the clothes that you wore for

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not I did not. I'm sorry. I did

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Speaker 3: That that's really is shoe boys on the phone, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Julia, that's Derek. He's been listening this entire time on

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Speaker 7: Really, it's not really Derek, is it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's me.

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Speaker 6: How's it going?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I can't really believe that that's the reason

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Speaker 3: Well, what, you've never heard that complaint before?

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Speaker 7: You don't know anything. No, do you know anyone else

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this like a really long time. This

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Speaker 1: has been kind of my thing for like fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: I wear shoes twenty three and a half hours a day.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, Wow, what's break forth like a shower? Hopefully?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Basically when I shower, I take the shoes like.

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Speaker 3: A comfort, like a security blanket type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Do you have weird feet or is it the fashion

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean the best thing I can

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Speaker 1: It saves me like two to three minutes in the morning.

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Speaker 7: I don't right, you have to take your shoes off

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Speaker 1: Them back on. Who's taking their pants off? I'm not

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Speaker 3: You got with her both women to take your pants off?

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Speaker 6: Kind of skill.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

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Speaker 2: Wait, if you take tear away pants, then you don't

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Speaker 3: I actually think there could be a solution to all

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Speaker 4: Like I hear you you got your shoe saying whatever

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Speaker 1: No, definitely not. Look, I live a no barefoot decisions lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: If I want to be ready, I want to stay

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Speaker 3: That's a good It's not a good point, Jeff.

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Speaker 6: It is if there's a.

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Speaker 2: Fire, he is going to be the first one out

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Speaker 2: run out barefoot, but not as fast, not as quickly.

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Speaker 3: I think you would run equally as fast as.

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Speaker 2: It's like you with your glasses. If you take your

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Speaker 3: That's because I can't see it, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: It's because your glasses are introverts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're shy.

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Speaker 2: They need to be on your face. I feel comfortable.

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Speaker 3: It would make my eyes intoverts. Not my glasses.

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Speaker 2: Your whole body's weird, weird. We have no confidence. I

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Speaker 3: So Lily, he said, notice slippers.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, ground that the shoes stand on. So let's

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Speaker 7: I honestly can't. It's so strange to me. Oh no,

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Speaker 7: I don't think I can adapt. Oh he's not willing

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Speaker 4: I think that this is I know you said that

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Speaker 7: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never really come up. But also I haven't

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Speaker 2: Think that you've heard of a farmer's can I can't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just say you need to work through it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it's not a problem. It's a strength.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'll be mature. I don't. So you deserve to

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Speaker 7: be with someone who agrees with you. Maybe you'll kind

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Speaker 2: You'll he's a woman out there who has her shoes

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Speaker 5: How much you want to bet his soul may works

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, man, you tried.

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Speaker 1: What can I say?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we'll be here for you if you ever

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Speaker 2: of course, is what I mean. Jeffrey in the morning.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: We've had a lot of guys come through the show

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was so weird. Yeah, I was trying to

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Speaker 4: He's got his shoe anxiety or something like feed anxiety.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: I would take no shoes ye more normal, like when.

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Speaker 5: You go to a wedding, he's gonna be shoeless.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but I would take that over the shoes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I am kind of surprised that nobody in

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Speaker 2: I guess some people get confidence from like a nice haircut,

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Speaker 2: Because they keep their shoes on for twenty three and

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Speaker 6: Yeah that's true.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll definitely have him back on for like a

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Speaker 2: But if you want help with your dating life, we

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