1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,199 Speaker 1: From the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Getty Show. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: In March, Customs and Border Protection stopped seventy one percent 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: more people than in February, one hundred and seventy two thousand. 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: That's larger than the entire population of McAllen, Texas, a 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: common point of entry in the Rio Grand Valley. Lance 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: new House is a farmer in McCallan whose land is 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: just south of the border wall. He says every day 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: he sees about one hundred migrants cut through his field. 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: At times, groups have pretended to blend in with his 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: workers or even hide and crops. You can't harvest it. 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Sugarcane is huge, and if you're if there's a person 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: hiding in there, you can't see him in the machinery. 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: Doesn't forgive no. Um. It's such a mess on the border, 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like it's getting any better. I'm 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: glad we're talking to somebody that's been there recently. Yeah. 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: Tomma Clintock, Congressman from the fourth California, was in McCallen, 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: Texas earlier this week to tour a resettlement facility, one 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: of the many many facilities just jammed full of immigrants, 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants, children, and and more. Tom, welcome back to 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the show. How are you. I'm doing fine, Thanks, guys, excellent. 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: So let's put aside politics completely for the moment. What 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: is the humanitarian situation on the border as you observed it. Well, 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: you're seeing enormous numbers of of children and young people 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: coming in and there's a reason for that under the 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: new policies of if you claim you're under eighteen or 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: you're in the company of a child under seven, you're 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: automatically in and that's why you're And in addition to that, 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: by flooding the zone with children, uh, they can focus 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: the border attention on that, you know, trying to save 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: kids who have been thrown off of rafts into the river, 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: things like that. Uh, not to mention the enormous amount 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: of manpower it takes to take care of them. While 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: the Border patrol is doing that, they can sneak the 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: bad guys in that that's the hundred and thirty thousand 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: getaway so far this year that they've been talking about. 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: And the Border Patrol tells me that is a very 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: low estimate. It maybe three or four times as many. Um, 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: so it's it's completely out of control. But the reason 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: why so many families are sending their kids north is 41 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: because it works. Get across the border. If you can 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: survive that two thousand mile trail of terror, you're in. 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: And the cartels are fully aware of American policy at 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: the moment. Oh, they're more aware of it than than 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: members of Congress are sometimes there their equipment is better 46 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: than the border patrol has. We were standing on the 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: bank of the Rio Grand River one night looking through 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: night scopes. Uh. The cartels we're looking right back at 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 1: at us through through night scopes that were much much 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: more powerful. Something. And one more quick note about being 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: overwhelmed at the border. I'm hold by border patrol. Uh 52 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: that because they are so completely overwhelmed by the humanity 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: and then dealing with especially the youngsters. They are all 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: sorts of drugs getting through, including the fentanyl that our 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: friends in China are so kindly manufacturing for us. Well, again, 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: if you can flood the zone with families with children, uh, 57 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: there's an enormous amount you can do while the border 58 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: patrol is occupied against so many of them our are 59 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: are changing diapers in baby babysitting. Well, we've got to mention, 60 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: not to mention stopping gang fights in a lot of 61 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: youth pods. Don't forget a lot of these youths are 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen years old. Some of them are older than that, 63 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: simply claiming to be seventeen. They already have gang affiliations. 64 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: That said, a lot of fights breakout in these bods 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: between rival gang members. They know who each other is. 66 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: And according to reports in recent days, UM various sexual 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: molestation and that sort of stuff. Have you heard anything 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: about that, Well, I've seen the reports of the They 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: really shocking thing is UM when when they are that overwhelmed, 70 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: they're not doing a lot of vetting when they sending 71 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: these kids out. And don't forget the the families that 72 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: are sending these kids north or bringing them north are 73 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: paying the cartels about four thousand dollars a pop. The 74 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: cartels are making about a half a billion dollars a 75 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: month just in human trafficking. Forget the drug trafficking of 76 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: so the the um. You know, we're free feeding the 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: drug cartels money. And we're also um when they get here, Uh, 78 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: we make enormous efforts to to get them where they 79 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: want to go in the United States. We make no 80 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: effort to find out where these kids came from and 81 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: get them back home to where they began. If we 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: were doing that, you wouldn't be having this huge influx 83 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: of migration, because the word would get out very quickly, 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: don't come north, you won't get in. They'll send you 85 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: right back home again. And as one of the border 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: patrol agents told me, the cartels don't give refunds. Well, politically, 87 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how this is going to get straightened out, 88 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: because I think it's so unlikely that the Biden administration 89 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: is going to want to say, look, we're not letting 90 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: you in. Nobody's getting in, and even if you get in, 91 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: we're sending you back. I I just don't see that happening. Well, 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: that's that's unfortunate, because we were implementing those policies and 93 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: they were working. Uh, the border was secure in January. 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: But you know, if you if you look at the numbers, 95 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: they tell the story pretty clearly. The week of the 96 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: election last year, a hundred family units that illegally cross 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: the border, a hundred by inauguration week that figured increased 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: to eleven hundred in a week. The weekend in March 99 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: that number was fifteen thousand, So that the border under 100 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: control was it was Biden's open invitation that that overwhelmed 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: our facilities and and his administration's answer seems to be 102 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: not to control the border, but rather to open gigantic 103 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: welcome centers to process more people. Congressman Tom mc clintock 104 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: is on the line a couple of different reactions that time. 105 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: Number one, the President, I'm not sure if he understands 106 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: what's going on or to what extent he's in charge. 107 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: We played tape of Kamala Harris comparing ICE to the 108 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: KKK from about a year and a half ago, hearing 109 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw, but a really interesting revelation in 110 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: recent days, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Majorcas was 111 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: behind closed doors, and while he publicly, you know, trashed 112 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: the Trump administration their policies, he was advocating, uh, standing 113 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: up for ICE, more deportations, taking on sanctuary cities, repairing 114 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: the wall, and all sorts of stuff. Did you catch 115 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: those reports? Actually some of the border patrol agents may 116 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: mentioned that to me. Uh, But unfortunately Kamala Harris is 117 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: in charge of border security, and as I said at 118 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: the time, that's a lot like asking Glene Maxwell to 119 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: to chaperone a high school promp. I mean, it's the 120 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: horror if they're they're they're not serious about this crisis, 121 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: that they actually like it. Well, I I just took 122 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: it as good news. If the DHS secretary has, uh, 123 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: you know, a view closer to what I think is 124 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: the right way to handle this, maybe he'll be heard 125 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: at some point. I don't know, I don't I don't 126 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: know how we get out of this. Like I said, politically, 127 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: the Biden administration would just get destroyed by its base 128 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: if they if they switched course, and if they don't 129 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: switch course, how is it going to improve? Well, uh, 130 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: first of all, I think the American people are clearly 131 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: galvanizing against this as they begin to realize the magnitude 132 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: of the crisis that we're facing. The border, if you 133 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: can even call it a border anymore. I mean, when 134 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: you're allowing people simply be waved into the country as 135 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: they cross illegally, you really don't have a border. And 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: if you don't have a border, you don't have a country. 137 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: And don't forget. Gallop of did a survey in Latin 138 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: America and their conclusion was there about forty two million 139 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: people in Latin America and the Caribbean who very much 140 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: would like to come to the United States, and under 141 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: these policies they can. Uh. So I think we're at 142 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: the beginning of a mass migration of historic proportions. Uh. 143 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know of any civilizations that survived such 144 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: a phenomenonomy history scream this warning at us that that 145 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: countries that either cannot or will not defend their borders 146 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: simply aren't around very long. And you know, as we've 147 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: mentioned before, the cartels are acutely aware of the shifts 148 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: in thinking. They read the report about Alejandro Majorcas. They 149 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: can read the tea leaves. So I'd imagine there is 150 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: an enormous hurry up on flooding the border with as 151 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: many people as possible. So you, as a member of 152 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives, what do you advocate happens? First? 153 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: What's the most critical need? Restore the Trump policies that 154 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: have taken control of the border, Finish the border wall, 155 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: enforced court ordered deportations, restore the remain in Mexico policy, 156 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: those were the Trump policies restored control of the border. 157 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Those were the policies that Biden reversed his very first 158 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: day in office. Now, then we can have a discussion 159 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: about what to do with those who have lived in 160 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: the United States for many years and not committed any 161 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: crimes while they're here. But that discussion can't begin until 162 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: we secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws. Otherwise 163 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: we're simply encouraging more of it. And as far as 164 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: being in a rush, like I said, there are forty 165 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: two million people behind the group that's coming in right now, 166 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: ready to migrate as well. Congressman Tom mc clintock the 167 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: fourth District of California, A question is kind of off topic. 168 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: Before he came on, I was clicking around trying to 169 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: figure out what committees you were on and the rest 170 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: of it, and I came across ballot Pedia, which was 171 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: looking at your votes and everything, and they called you 172 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: a moderate Republican. And it's funny because I've always thought 173 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: his view as a deficit hawk in a spending hawk, 174 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: fiscal conservative and all. But what's your philosophy as a congressman? 175 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: What are you doing there in d C? Tom liberty. 176 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: I've got a bit of a civil libertarian streak in me, 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: which which on some of these surveys, UH, pulls me 178 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: off of a strict conservative definition. But I believe in 179 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: in freedom. I believe in the god given right of 180 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: people to make their own decisions as they go through life. 181 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: I believe in the principles of the American founding. And 182 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: that is why you're one of the few politic Asians 183 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: that we actually consider it to be a friend. Toma Clintock, 184 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: fourth District to California. Tom, always great to talk thanks here. 185 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: Thanks again, keep up the good work. I don't know 186 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: how this border story ends. I really don't. I just 187 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the bite iministration is going 188 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: to change course. And if they don't, it's just gonna 189 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: continue to grow, you know. I think it's probably about 190 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: what you were saying, uh, and I was saying about 191 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: Alejandro Mayorcas. You are publicly saying the we will never 192 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: repeat the sins of the Trump administration, the racist, xenophobic. 193 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: And while I'm out the front droning, you are behind 194 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: the scenes scrambling like held reinstitute every chapter in verse 195 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: of it. I have a very strong feeling I could be, 196 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: and I'd probably work in the way to drive by 197 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: media handles things. They'd probably right, yeah, because they stepped 198 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: in it. Man, it is a serious problem down there. Half. 199 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: It's half a dozen different kinds of problem. The fate 200 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: of the poor kids, the fact that people are renting 201 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: their children two would be illegal immigrants, so that when 202 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: the person comes across and says, yeah, this is my son, 203 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: he probably doesn't even know his name. You have to 204 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: let him in as a family union, a unit rather 205 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: and and the cartels know it. You've got the drug crisis, 206 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: You've got the now what do we do with these 207 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: people crisis, You've got the gang thing. It's really a nightmare.