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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Tyreek Hill calling our offense simple.

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Speaker 6: Tyreek Hill actually was incredibly complementary of Christian. He was no,

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Speaker 6: I know he was.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure you know because you just said that he.

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Speaker 7: How did pizza delivery drivers find my house?

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Speaker 8: What is that book called? There's a book filled with maps.

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Speaker 8: I'm forgetting. It's like, it's not the guy that was.

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Speaker 6: Before the stadium went to turf and it was just

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Speaker 1: We lost a kid in a puddle just he just

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Speaker 1: never found him again, looking.

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Speaker 4: Like he's still stumping.

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Speaker 7: Jets.

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Speaker 1: Why are you stuck in that?

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Speaker 8: So it was like, well, what are you And they're like, oh,

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Speaker 8: I'm a tourist. Like interesting, I'm like, that's tam cameras.

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Speaker 8: What are you, oh, Gemini interesting?

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Speaker 1: I am going to go with the Buccaneers to cover

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Speaker 1: Eagles win. But the Buccaneers don't lose by the points.

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Speaker 8: That were So that's that's gambling parlance.

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Speaker 6: So is covering.

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Speaker 7: That's covering.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Julet's Stadium. It's a victory to victory Tuesday against

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Speaker 2: the New Jersey Jets. And I don't understand why everyone's

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Speaker 2: freaking out. Everyone's like, Taylor Swift, this this lost.

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Speaker 10: Help me?

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Speaker 1: You know? I'm not feeling any better after this loss.

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Speaker 7: Are you?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because I wasn't sure they were gonna win.

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Speaker 6: Oh I wasn't either, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I'm happy that you go in against a division

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Speaker 2: team on the road and come out with the win.

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Speaker 2: And now we move on from there. Okay, so now

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Speaker 2: we can worry about the Cowboys. But like, there was

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Speaker 2: no certainty that you're gonna go into the Jets and

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Speaker 2: with that defense and win, and they did, and you know,

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Speaker 2: ask the Bills about playing the Jets. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you're heavily favorite, and we weren't heavily favorite. But you know,

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Speaker 2: anything can happen in these division games. When you can

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Speaker 2: come out with a win, take it and move on,

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Speaker 2: and you know, don't worry about the style points. Now,

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Speaker 2: does the offense still have problems Hell yes, hell yes,

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Speaker 2: but they had them before we went to the Jets,

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Speaker 2: and we were playing one of the best defenses in

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Speaker 1: So I'm happy. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go play Dallas.

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Speaker 6: Now, oh sorry, that's a different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go places. So I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: I'm probably not quite as enthusiastic as you are. But

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Speaker 6: they had to win the game, bottom line, they had

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Speaker 2: Win, and they did. They made it a lot tougher

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Speaker 6: I don't think they did. I think it was just

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, as we thought they would.

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Speaker 6: Correct.

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Speaker 7: Right, it was definitely tighter than I should have been.

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Speaker 6: I mean that that Hail Mary was close. Oh okay, now,

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Speaker 2: But the way the game, the way the game was going,

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Speaker 2: But they they're having issues right now on offense, and

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's fun to watch and that's you know, that's

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Speaker 1: He's been good, And I have a bone to pick

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Speaker 1: with Paul. I don't know what I do, because you know.

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Speaker 6: I'm in full agreement with everything you've said possibly every week.

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Speaker 2: Every week he's like, you know, teflon Mac, teflon Mac.

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Speaker 2: All I've been hearing is people saying I can't stand Mac.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't understand how he's teflon mac if people don't.

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Speaker 6: But that's a whole different thing. When I'm talking about

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's off the field after the whistle cheap.

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Speaker 2: I see a lot of people, but you know, I

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Speaker 2: Like I know, there's the holes approud of film and people.

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Speaker 1: Are like, oh, I didn't see he did it.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt. But but what what what.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, But they should continue the video because

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Speaker 2: after he did that, Sauce pushes him and he kind

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Speaker 2: Agree with you for I think this whole thing is

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Speaker 11: I think if it wasn't why if it wasn't his

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Speaker 11: first defense, Paul, I think, you know, I mean, wow,

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Speaker 11: I'm looking at you.

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Speaker 4: Don't let me do that again, sorry, Paul.

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Speaker 11: I think if it was his first offense, Fred, then

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Speaker 11: since it's not his first offense and he's orderline going

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Speaker 6: He shouldn't get like fined or anything or suspended. But

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Speaker 6: I mean, can we just be grown ups and say.

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Speaker 1: That he did it? Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: It seems like this most of my colleagues refused to

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Speaker 4: Be but what.

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Speaker 6: The pushing like, it's not that big a deal. I

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Speaker 6: agree with you with maybe much ado about nothing, Buddy.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you see, he did do but I think he.

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Speaker 2: Was like, I don't know how you can say jewels, Yeah,

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Speaker 11: Let me put it this way, if you did that

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Speaker 11: in this office right now, joking around or not, HR

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Speaker 1: Problem only if Paul went to them.

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Speaker 6: But I would have very different fairness if you tack.

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Speaker 6: If you wouldn't go to HR. I'll just say that

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Speaker 6: We want to then go to HR on me go time.

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Speaker 7: We want to start talking about football and I'll talk.

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Speaker 6: Okay, ready to do that yet, so you just hold off.

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Speaker 6: I'll just leave the studio. I just don't really understand

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Speaker 6: how you can say it's it's it's like absolutely, you know,

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Speaker 11: We also have one more thing to talk about before

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Speaker 11: we can talk about football, you know. So, Evan, I

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Speaker 7: You know what this is now, This is this, this

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Speaker 7: whole thing with Mac is just like I'm out.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I know what you want to talk about.

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Speaker 4: This is not about Matt. This is about Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to talk about that.

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Speaker 11: I don't know how anyone hasn't come up with their

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Speaker 11: go to find their two names.

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Speaker 2: The trailer I heard it was T Square, T Square.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that.

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Speaker 11: I'm just a little bit intrigued by Bill Belichick's response.

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Speaker 11: This is a second response on Taylor Swift. He's obviously

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Speaker 11: as swifty. I mean, first he gives her, you know,

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Speaker 11: props for being having grit and having mental toughness performing

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Speaker 11: in the rain here at Gillette, and then he says,

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Speaker 11: this is the biggest catch of Travis Kelsey's career.

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Speaker 4: It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, you know, listen, this is she stole. She

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Speaker 2: stole the day. She did on a day where Miami

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Speaker 2: scored seventy points.

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Speaker 1: She's the headline. Yeah she was.

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Speaker 11: I've never seen someone on a final score graphic that

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Speaker 11: didn't play in the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. There you go. We need we need

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Speaker 1: one of our players to go out with somebody famous.

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Speaker 7: It's never happened before.

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Speaker 4: The closest is like Devon was a very subtle like that.

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Speaker 8: Jos had some models, right, Jewels was dating models.

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Speaker 6: I think that those women were famous more. I mean,

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Speaker 1: But ye good for.

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Speaker 6: All of that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well she's independently famous.

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Speaker 6: Rights, Yeah, she's like like the internet famous, like a model.

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Speaker 6: just a bunch of is like worldwide. Oh yeah yes,

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Speaker 1: All right, what's so that's the social minute name?

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Speaker 6: Like I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 4: She's a model, just like she's.

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Speaker 6: Just got one name. No, not just like one of those.

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Speaker 8: It's just starting.

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Speaker 1: So let's go around.

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Speaker 6: The win is closed. That's the last similarity.

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Speaker 1: Let's go around with. Was this a good win, a

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Speaker 8: It's a win, and a win is a win, and

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Speaker 8: you need it, and you know, I'm with you. I

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Speaker 8: good teams, you know, like Dallas is pretty good still.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think every game on from here on

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to get too caught up in concern

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Speaker 8: with it. I mean, there's certainly things we can we'll

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Speaker 11: Alex Francisco who is currently not here, but she is

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Speaker 11: here to say, and I'm speaking for her. Chanelle is

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Speaker 11: not an Internet model. She's a real model. She was

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Speaker 11: a Victoria's Secret angel. So those are out.

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Speaker 6: She's the Internet famous. I didn't say she's in the

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Speaker 11: So those are Alex's two says Victoria's Victoria's Secret proves

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Speaker 1: It's not like that's a catalog catalog the exactly.

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Speaker 6: It's not like Jess said, it's not Zelle level. Come

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Speaker 6: we stop, it's not all supermodel.

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Speaker 11: No, okay, this was just a win, correct, just to win,

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Speaker 11: oh win, nothing crazy.

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Speaker 1: They got it done, good win, bad win, neutral.

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Speaker 7: We're talking about football now.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't stop.

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Speaker 6: Did Brian come back to the shaft.

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Speaker 11: I'm just saying, if we were talking about it, No,

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Speaker 6: Evidently he didn't. According to all the Patriots defenders.

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Speaker 11: I will say Evan would be all about this conversation

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Speaker 11: if it was Josh Allen dating Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 6: You love Josh, I do.

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Speaker 7: When it comes to Taylor Swift, I like, it has

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Speaker 7: I mean, I guess, I don't know, mostly bad. But

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Speaker 7: I think the big thing for me is what Mike said,

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Speaker 7: and you give the ball back, like, I don't care

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Speaker 7: if it's forty five forty or it's fifteen to ten, Like,

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Speaker 7: you can't give the ball back to the Jets. You

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Speaker 7: just can't. And if they if they had melted out there,

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Speaker 7: if they had picked up a first down, I would

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Speaker 7: have said good win.

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Speaker 2: But oh, just for that reason, just for like close,

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Speaker 2: just for that reason inability to close it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I am not saying bad I'm saying just

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Speaker 6: but I think I think there's still an element of

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Speaker 6: quarterbacking high school team. Yeah, I mean it just it

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Speaker 6: just he was unable to do the simplest things that

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Speaker 6: Your defense dominated him y, They completely tortured him. He

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Speaker 6: was like such that one drive, he's completely broke. And

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Speaker 6: even that one drive was like run run, run, like

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Speaker 6: he didn't do anything. He liked one.

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Speaker 2: Throw and it should have been three because that was

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Speaker 6: But whatever, Like he had one good, one good drive

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Speaker 6: in a game, you know, like that that's as bad

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Speaker 7: When you start to talk about just this is what

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Speaker 7: I don't care if it's fifteen to ten or it's

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Speaker 7: forty five to ten or forty five to forty, right,

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Speaker 7: the bottom line is is that the defense carried them

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Speaker 7: was away from losing the game on a hail Mary,

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Speaker 7: because your offense couldn't pick up one first down, that's all.

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Speaker 7: And they didn't even come close. It was fourth and three.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't even like, you know, a decision of oh,

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Speaker 7: it wasn't even close. And so they had to punt

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Speaker 7: I'm starting to be like, you guys can't even ice

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Speaker 7: it for us, Like we literally did everything else for you.

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Speaker 6: We even scored.

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Speaker 1: Right in the second half. Think the Jets blank the

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Speaker 8: Well, they got a pun they gotta field goal the

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Speaker 8: the game. Yeah, And I think they had like maybe

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Speaker 8: you know, And it's that's the stuff that they just

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Speaker 8: they have to be better at. They've got a good,

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Speaker 8: you know, a good start. They went down the field

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Speaker 8: both the first and second half, they got field goal drives.

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Speaker 8: All right, we'll take baby steps, but you know that

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Speaker 2: You know, the Pharaoh Brown touchdown was great to see,

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Speaker 8: They were I mean zone, I mean, were they in

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Speaker 6: No, they never got to the red one they got.

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Speaker 8: But you know, it's it's it's it's also just we

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Speaker 2: Like him doesn't look right whenever he's involved, and we've

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Speaker 2: it's just a lack of speed on Juju's part, but

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Speaker 6: Look I think maybe he's wearing seven and they think

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Speaker 8: Probably we can't throw to that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just doesn't look right.

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Speaker 11: So it's probably more of like an evan question, I guess.

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Speaker 11: But for me, it's like why on the first down

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Speaker 11: It's like I feel like the first play specifically always

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you have to. I think this team

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Speaker 7: That, big big increase through five play action passes from

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Speaker 7: that thirteen package. They had to Pharaoh Brown at full back,

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Speaker 7: like they they made some tweaks to the running game

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Speaker 6: I have a question on that. And you guys, I

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Speaker 6: like sixteen, So they had sixteen plays like that? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: How many had they run before the touchdown?

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Speaker 7: They ran six? Seven?

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Speaker 6: Okay seven?

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Speaker 7: And they ran every all seven times?

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Speaker 6: Right, So what I'm wondering that clearly was a setup,

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: My guess is that was you know, they set up something.

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Speaker 6: it worked. It won you a game, Yeah, because you

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Speaker 6: could make an argument without that play, you don't win. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They they were inside the thirty once all all day.

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Speaker 6: I mean even the Jets got inside the thirty.

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Speaker 8: I mean the Jets, like when you look at like

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Speaker 8: that one big play to Pharaoh and then guess what

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Speaker 8: eighteen yards again that was their top play. I mean

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Speaker 6: That's as big of a play is now. There were

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Speaker 6: times I thought that, you know, in Spurts and Mike

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Speaker 6: of picked it up when it was you know, when

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Speaker 1: Up until the end. They kind of had a two

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Speaker 6: of them was one of the best throws that Mac

443
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 6: made on third and fifteen from like inside their ten

444
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,960
Speaker 6: to fifteen. He had the rub route to Parker on

445
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 6: the out and he put it right on him. I mean,

446
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 6: perfect throw. I would have run there and punted, because

447
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,880
Speaker 6: I'm telling you, you could be still playing right now.

448
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,199
Speaker 6: The Jets wouldn't score. The only way the Jets were

449
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 6: going to score is if that deflection goes off a

450
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 6: shoulder and right.

451
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,919
Speaker 7: I think that that's the part that frustrates me, Like

452
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 7: that flucky stuff does happen, like we've seen it, and

453
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 7: Miami miracle happened against the Patriots, so like, trust me,

454
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 7: I've lived it.

455
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,200
Speaker 6: We've all lived it.

456
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 7: And whether it's like a lateral play or it's Garrett

457
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 7: Wilson sneaks behind the defense one time and it's just

458
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 7: one throw from Zach Wilson, they got somebody.

459
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 6: Down to ty Conklin that you know.

460
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 7: But I think there's a lot of stats going around

461
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 7: about the deep passing with Mac Jones, which I definitely

462
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 7: think is is an issue. But to me, the root

463
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,400
Speaker 7: cause of it is man coverage. Like they are once

464
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,239
Speaker 7: again terrible against man coverage. And when you play these

465
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 7: teams like the Jets that have Sauced and DJ Reid

466
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 7: and they can man up against you, you know, some teams

467
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 7: are afraid to do that with their corners. They don't

468
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 7: have the talent on the outside regardless of who they're playing,

469
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 7: to play a ton of man. But the Jets played

470
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 7: a ton of man on third down and basically just

471
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 7: dared the Patriots to beat them down the field on

472
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 7: one on one. So when people are saying, well, why

473
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 7: are they they throwing it to Juju on those third downs,

474
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 7: and people are you know, asking me in you know,

475
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 7: several different areas, it's well, the reason is is because

476
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 7: that's where the defense wants them to throw the ball.

477
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 7: Like the ball is being funneled to Juju in those

478
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 7: spots and those one on ones, and Mac has taking

479
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 7: the one on one and he's trying to see if

480
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 7: his guy can make a play. Do I love that

481
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 7: it's twenty yards down the field, But the bottom line

482
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 7: is is that's what's open, Like that was what was

483
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 7: available to them. So they can't beat man coverage. He's

484
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 7: twenty seventh in the league, and completion rate, he's dead

485
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 7: last and EPA against man coverage they have Besides Pop Douglas,

486
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 7: they really don't have any man separators. And he's a

487
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 7: rookie that's still learning, you know, and still has to

488
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 7: button up some of the details.

489
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 6: They see some of those things as to why maybe

490
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 6: you know, and again these are anecdotal, like you don't

491
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 6: know what the play call is, but it does look

492
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 6: like there are times that he's involved in plays where

493
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 6: I'm not sure that looked right, you know, like that

494
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 6: one that he got behind. I'm not sure he was

495
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 6: supposed to be behind. I don't know exactly what happened there,

496
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 6: but I don't think that was a terrible throw by Matt.

497
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 7: Yeah. I asked for Ross Douglas about it today because

498
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 7: he's probably usually pretty candid about you know what, if

499
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 7: the routes were correct, and he just said that they

500
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 7: need to get the guys on the same page. Oka

501
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 7: and so maybe.

502
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 6: Maybe he was right and Mac, Yeah, Mack was wrong.

503
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 7: I mean when I watched that play back, the right

504
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 7: tackle gets beat right, Vederian Low gets beat by a

505
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 7: spin move by Jermaine Johnson, and Douglas is behind the defense.

506
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 7: He's three or four yards, had a chance, and I

507
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 7: think it's a touchdown if the protection is clean. But

508
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 7: Mac just so maybe it was BA throw. Yeah, But

509
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 7: that's the bottom line is they can't beat man coverage again.

510
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 6: For I like, they had a really nice third down conversion,

511
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 6: the one I think it didn't Douglas just gets one

512
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 6: ball in this game. Yeah, there was a really nice

513
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 6: third down conversion. It was the play before the long touchdown. Yeah,

514
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 6: third and five, right, and that was like a maybe

515
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 6: a fifteen yard out to Douglas, a nice, nice.

516
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 7: Little like sort of pillowy throw.

517
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, nice yeah, nice nice touch on the throw. And

518
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 6: then Douglas caught it and kind of like flipped over,

519
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 6: fell down, did a flip back, like it just didn't

520
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 6: look like it just doesn't look right yet. So I

521
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 6: wonder if he's thinking a lot about what he's doing

522
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 6: and trying, you know, and that's why it's been a

523
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 6: little bit slower than maybe we're all open.

524
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 7: For I would liked him to the throw that he

525
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 7: fumbled on against Miami like that, those types of routes,

526
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 7: I'd like to see that. No, thinking him running more

527
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 7: of those types of routes underneath the defense because the

528
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 7: vertical plays take a lot of chemistry, timing, understanding of coverage,

529
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 7: whereas if you just ask him to get open on

530
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 7: a whip rout or a slant or something like that, Yeah,

531
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 7: just just get open right like that's that's the bottom line,

532
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 7: and then he can catch and run with it. And

533
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 7: he is an explosive ball carrier and you see it

534
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 7: on sometimes on the punt returns and things like that.

535
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 7: But they need somebody, you know, everybody again, like why

536
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 7: are they throwing deep to Juju on third and three?

537
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 7: They need somebody that's going to get four yards there,

538
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 7: like they don't.

539
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 6: It's not like you're not throwing sauce, you're not throwing

540
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 6: it at like you're looking for the matchup that you like.

541
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 7: And they just don't have anybody right now that can

542
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 7: get open quickly off the line of scrimmage and create

543
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 7: those There's no back there's no slot receivers.

544
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 11: Jakobe it's like I hate crying over spilled milk.

545
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 2: But like, well, he's proving every week almost that he's

546
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: the better at this point in his career, a better

547
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: player than Juju.

548
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: But you know, when you talk about.

549
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: One on one, if if if the quarterback has confidence

550
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: right and can anticipate the route and he's got a clear.

551
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: Passing lane, he should be able to beat one on one, like.

552
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: You know, just call a dig route, call you know

553
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 2: something where it's all about timing Mac. I don't care

554
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: who it is, you should at times be able to

555
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: beat one on one. But I don't think he's got

556
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: the confidence, you know, on with his receivers.

557
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 8: I mean I saw a few throws that he was

558
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 8: really i mean almost scaryly so I'm just.

559
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 6: Saying that, and some made it like there was one

560
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 6: to burn that. I don't know how he got it.

561
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: But if you can anticipate, you know, guys, you know

562
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: the guy's going to do a dig route and the

563
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: balls in the air, you know, as he's making his dig,

564
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: so when he turns there, it is it's almost impossible

565
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: to cover that if you're a defender, you know, And

566
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 2: I think.

567
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 8: That's what like the hope is is that? And I

568
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,239
Speaker 8: think kind of what Evan was getting at when you know,

569
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 8: he wrote his film review was that you know, maybe

570
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 8: they can get to that point where we're all on

571
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 8: the same page and Max throwing with anticipation and it

572
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 8: offsets some of their you know, lack of explosive separation ability.

573
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 10: You know.

574
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 8: I just I just I find it interesting again to

575
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 8: like just how many different guys he's thrown on and

576
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 8: it's it's it's you know, on one hand, it's like, well,

577
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 8: it's good he's not locked in on somebody. I mean,

578
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 8: I do think he gets a little locked in on

579
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 8: Hunter Henry and rightly so. But you know, I just

580
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 8: I want to see it come to out, like who

581
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 8: are the best guys, Who are the guys that he trusts,

582
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 8: Who are the personnel when we got to have it

583
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 8: that we're rolling with? And I think that was like

584
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 8: part of the problem I had with the end of

585
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 8: the game where it was third and one, you know,

586
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 8: the third downs, the two to Juju. It's like you're

587
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 8: going to everybody, and it's like those are the plays

588
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 8: got to have it? Those are when you go to

589
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 8: your like why are we going to Juju? You know,

590
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 8: like like why now, Yeah, no, I do.

591
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 6: Too, but it's like we were both lockstep, you know,

592
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 6: juju in those spots. The gout to have it spots

593
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 6: is juju. But credit Jets playing a ton of description

594
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 6: of that makes sense.

595
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 7: They're playing a ton of one robbers, so they're you know,

596
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 7: had the robber coverage and they're just packing the middle

597
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 7: of the field and they you know, the incuts and

598
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 7: stuff like that to Hunter Henry are just not going

599
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 7: to be there, and it's just funneling the ball outside

600
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 7: the numbers. And that's just been the story about this

601
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 7: team for four years now, is like that's that's how

602
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 7: you play the Patriots on third down is you play

603
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 7: press man and you just force the ball outside the

604
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 7: numbers and they're not going to beat you out there.

605
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 7: Whether that's rooted in receiver play, quarterback play, relying play,

606
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 7: like whatever, it's probably all the above. But I did

607
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 7: try to like be a little bit positive. I did,

608
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 7: and after further review, where I said, you can look

609
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 7: at it two ways. You can either say, like Fred's point,

610
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 7: there are open guys, like you know, maybe not wide open,

611
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 7: but there are opportunities to make plays down the field.

612
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 7: So either he's going to start hitting on a couple

613
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 7: of those a game as the timing and the rhythm

614
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 7: of the offense improves. Or you can be pessimistic, which

615
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 7: is probably more where I'm at, and say they're just

616
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 7: not good enough, Like they're not good enough to hit

617
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 7: those plays, and we have fourteen weeks to find out, right, Like,

618
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 7: I'm going to hit.

619
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 6: Some of them. They're not going to go the whole

620
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 6: year without hitting any of these big, big plays down.

621
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 8: And that's the thing with Mac, Like it's you know,

622
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 8: I mean that you know, Throtle to h Parker on

623
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 8: the sideline, you know, like those are the throws that

624
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 8: you would think, like, all right, well that that's what

625
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 8: they're trying to force them to do, and that's what

626
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 8: he's doing. But it's just not consistent enough, you know,

627
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 8: and they can't.

628
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 7: And that was also against off coverage, right, Like if

629
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 7: you when they play against zone or they play against

630
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 7: off man, like, they can make those types of throws.

631
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 7: The problem is is can the receiver get off the

632
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage, make a move to get open at

633
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 7: the top of the route against bump and run press

634
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 7: man Like they don't have anybody that does that consistently,

635
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 7: and it just puts them in a in a real

636
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 7: tough spot where they are throwing back shoulders or like

637
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 7: contested fades and like that's what is available to them

638
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 7: right now because the guys aren't getting open.

639
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 6: I have a minor knit to pick ready. Yeah, not

640
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 6: really related to all of this stuff. But so the

641
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 6: last drive, like you need a first in the game.

642
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 6: I think he got a couple of yards on first

643
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 6: down from Zeke and they run a little end around

644
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 6: to to Mario Douglas.

645
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 7: That was a second to last drive.

646
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, oh that was I thought it was the

647
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 6: last drive. Okay, So the second to last drive where

648
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 6: you know they're you know, doing a little fake action,

649
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 6: they're flipping it back. So this is the guy who

650
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 6: was so bad with his ball security a week earlier. Now,

651
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 6: the only way we can lose this game, and I'm

652
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 6: I'm telling you honestly, the only way you can lose

653
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 6: this game is if we turn it over. And that's

654
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: when we're going to try to do this.

655
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 7: I actually like the call.

656
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 6: I I I would like it if you weren't so

657
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 6: afraid of the guy being able to hold out of

658
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 6: the ball.

659
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 7: That's a fair point.

660
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 10: Like it.

661
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 6: I like the idea of Douglas being involved. But you

662
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 6: have told me, you have told me for a week

663
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 6: that that guy wasn't worthy of being able to be

664
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 6: relied upon, and you it's a new week, and you

665
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 6: doubled down on it earlier in the game because he

666
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 6: double clutched a fair catch and you had to take

667
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 6: him away from Putt returns right. And now the game

668
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 6: is on the line with a wet ball and we're

669
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 6: gonna flip it back to the guy who you don't

670
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 6: think can hold onto the ball. I thought that was weird.

671
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 6: I thought that was weird. Like under normal circumstances, I

672
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 6: don't mind trying to run unconventionally and see if you

673
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 6: can catch him. You get the end. He's fasted. Cheap,

674
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 6: cheap first down, ends the game. I have no problem

675
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 6: with the call. I just thought it was strange given

676
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 6: the events of the week.

677
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: On defense, Uh, with the run game, who stood out

678
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: in your mind?

679
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 8: I mean, I think the early just you know, the

680
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 8: early three four package they opened with where they put

681
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 8: Jennings and Roberts and Keon White. It was just, you know,

682
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 8: it was it was yeah, Jennings, I mean, he had

683
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 8: you know, two plays, but that's like what he look

684
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 8: like in the preseason. You know, he's he's he's just

685
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 8: he's got some some little shake to him now that

686
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 8: he's able to to do.

687
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 7: Some energy for sure.

688
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 6: Like the first play of the game, he's like in

689
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 6: the backfield dropping guys like I know, like Mike said,

690
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 6: it wasn't like he played seventy eight snaps, you know,

691
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 6: but like I just thought, right off the go, he

692
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 6: set the tone running today.

693
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 8: Four or five tackles. I mean, I thought key on

694
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 8: White after watching him again, and you know, it's like

695
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 8: there's just little glimpses were Jesus.

696
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: He's like the best game from Peppers in a while.

697
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 6: Peppers made one particular play that was special on that.

698
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: We shed the block and yeah, yeah made the play

699
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: of the screen.

700
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 8: I think it was alligator.

701
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 6: And ended up being like a five yard game instead

702
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 6: of what probably would have been a ten yard game

703
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 6: in a first down and you know, with the Jets

704
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 6: that makes all the difference in the world because they

705
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 6: can't convert.

706
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, good punt return too. I mean, he's you know,

707
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 8: he's a he's a talented guy.

708
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: I think he had a pretty good game, gotcha.

709
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: He didn't play well.

710
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Peppers quality out.

711
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 8: It sounds like we.

712
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 6: Should get to that. It sounds like he's going to

713
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 6: be out for the season with a tour and biceps.

714
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 8: And I think I saw Badard say it sounds like Gotschaw.

715
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 8: Maybe not this week, but not a long term thing.

716
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 8: Was was what he was insinuating.

717
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 6: So okay, as not as bad as it looked.

718
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, they just they just don't have any depth.

719
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I don't.

720
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 8: It's not like, you know, these are star players, but

721
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 8: you know the rotational players that play big roles in

722
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 8: significant STAPs for them and know I you know, I know,

723
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 8: you know, Paul suggested we'll just throw Lawrence Guy in there.

724
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 8: I mean it's but you know, it's trickle down effect

725
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 8: and I mean.

726
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 6: I'm missing Godschab. Then you probably make a call to

727
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 6: somebody get out the Seahawks.

728
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 8: But I mean I will say, I mean I don't

729
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 8: want to no offense to Daniel Qualley, but I mean

730
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 8: it's a little bit like all right, well that might

731
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 8: be key on now that gets.

732
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I think qual is a is a good

733
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 6: interior sub rusher, and he does I think he does

734
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 6: a good job, but that you know, I think it's

735
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 6: a loss. But that's not Carl Davis. Carl Davis is godchab.

736
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 6: If he can't play, and you know, who knows, maybe

737
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 6: he's he's in Seattle now. Maybe he doesn't want to

738
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 6: come back. I don't know, you know, I remember they

739
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 6: don't want him anymore. Well, I remember his post when

740
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 6: he got when he he got let go, and he

741
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 6: was he put it all on himself. He's like, listen,

742
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 6: I didn't bring it. I didn't play well, and I

743
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 6: didn't have the intensity that I needed during training camp

744
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 6: and blah blah blah blahlah.

745
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 8: I don't know any names off the top of my head,

746
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 8: but a guy like a qualite, I feel like they're

747
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 8: they're out there because they're not you know, overly big

748
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 8: size guys there get off you know, defensive tackle more,

749
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 8: you know, in that old or three kind of inside guys.

750
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 8: But I like probably find.

751
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 6: I think you're right though. Keon White is probably gonna

752
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 6: be poised for you know, more snaps because he hasn't

753
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 6: played a lot.

754
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, and along those lines too, I think you know,

755
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 8: Barmore was good in this game.

756
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 6: I know I was hard on him.

757
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 8: Last week. But but he was really good. So that was,

758
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 8: you know, good to see. But you wonder what his

759
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 8: role is going to be without Godshaw in there now?

760
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 8: Is he gonna you know, they gonna have to rely

761
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 8: on him more, maybe put him more in run defense,

762
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 8: which I still don't think is his forte.

763
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: But how worried are we about the kicking operation?

764
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 6: Joe card And I'll get it right. I think he'll

765
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 6: be ok.

766
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 11: We might get a ten minute answer from Bill on

767
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 11: long snapper and the elements.

768
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I thought, you know, we're going on how

769
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 7: many years has Salid been there? Like two or three

770
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 7: at this point with the Jags. Yeah, he They have

771
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 7: never put together a good offensive game plan against the Patriots. Never,

772
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 7: And I find it hilarious, Like that's what, like, coach, what.

773
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 6: Scares me about defensive minded coaches?

774
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 7: You want to keep running the ball at the Patriots

775
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 7: defense that are playing three to four, that have Juwan

776
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 7: Bentley and Jolani Tavai and all these big backers on

777
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 7: the field, and you want to run it right up

778
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 7: the middle, like go ahead, like keep doing it.

779
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 11: Jaz, do you think do you think that was like

780
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 11: their way of trying to play Conservatives so that there

781
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 11: were no turnovers.

782
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: In the game. As they're finished the game with of course.

783
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 7: They like they wanted to run the ball, but they

784
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 7: needed to be able to run the ball in this

785
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 7: game to have a chance, and the Dolphins ran the

786
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 7: ball beautifully against the Patriots. If you're playing the Patriots,

787
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 7: you run sideline to sideline, you try to get those

788
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 7: big guys moving sideline to sideline, and you hit the

789
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 7: runs on the perimeter, like running like up the gut

790
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 7: against New England is just asking for trouble like that.

791
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 11: That's wondering if it had to do with their last

792
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 11: minute hit to the offensive line, though.

793
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 7: I even more reason to pitch it outside. Like like

794
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 7: you if you're playing the Patriots and you are smashing

795
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 7: your head against a brick wall, if you're trying to

796
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 7: run it up the middle, like that's exactly where their

797
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 7: strength of their defense is. Like you have guys like Godshaw, Lawrence,

798
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 7: Guy Dietrich, Wise Bentley, ta Vie Jennings, like all these

799
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 7: guys are out on the field exactly to stop the run,

800
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 7: and they're just the all up there, yeah yeah, and

801
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 7: they're just run right into the teeth of the defense

802
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 7: and I like, like I said in after further view,

803
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 7: like on second thought, like keep doing it, like you know,

804
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 7: if that's what you think you're gonna beat this team,

805
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 7: then keep doing it.

806
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 8: It's like, where are the little checkdowns to the backs,

807
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 8: because I feel like those are always the Patriots like kryptonite,

808
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 8: you know, like they so this is a deep check

809
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 8: it down and that guy picks up six, you know,

810
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 8: and they just write like bills do that all this.

811
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 6: This is where I'm defensive of Salah a little bit

812
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: in this regard, and I Evan saying, yeah, run the

813
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 6: ball all you want. You want to run it forty times,

814
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 6: run it, just don't run it like that. Don't run

815
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 6: it between the guards. They weren't even running it between

816
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 6: the tackles. They were running it like right up the gut.

817
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 6: That guy can't play. He's broken, he can't. Like I

818
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 6: watched some of the some of the plays again, I've

819
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 6: seen some of the you know, the armchair quarterbacks stuff.

820
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 6: I saw a play like they come out after run, run, run,

821
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 6: they finally they get decent field dish and they come

822
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 6: out on first down and throw the guy's wide open

823
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 6: for a little, little, easy little throw would have been

824
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 6: you know, like a seven yard throw and then who knows,

825
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 6: maybe you get yards after the catch. He takes a

826
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 6: twelve yard sack on first down when there's not really

827
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: even any pressure. Like he created more pressure in that

828
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 6: game by turning his like turning his eyes away from

829
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 6: the receivers and just not seeing anything. He can't play.

830
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 6: He was finding malpractice what they're doing to that team.

831
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 6: And you think it's bad, now, wait all about three

832
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 6: weeks from now.

833
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 11: I think, Paul to your point, it's like every time

834
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 11: they got off the field, it was a different person.

835
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 6: All all trying to pick him up, like hey, hey, hey,

836
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 6: And finally at the end of the game, it was

837
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 6: like we suck.

838
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: What are we doing?

839
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 6: You know, and like, you know, the Michael Carter, the

840
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 6: running back, not the cornerback, is arguing with like the

841
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 6: tight ends coach and like that, like and I get it.

842
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 6: Like Garrett Wilson was like clearly trying to say, hey, Evan,

843
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 6: we can do this, buddy, Hey, just stay with it,

844
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 6: stay with it. We could do You could see every

845
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 6: single possession they were trying to coax this guy. Lazard

846
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 6: and Cobb like talking to him, and nothing changed. Nothing,

847
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 6: He refused to just see the completions that were right

848
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 6: there for him.

849
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, he can't see the field at all.

850
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 6: And I'm not telling you they would have had a

851
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 6: big offensive day. They wouldn't have because the Patriots defense

852
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 6: was giving that those throws underneath. Like, I'm not telling

853
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 6: you that Jets would have had thirty points if Zach

854
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 6: Wilson just took the checkdowns. But you're not gonna be

855
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 6: like going nowhere the whole game the way they were.

856
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 6: You would add some first downs and a little bit

857
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 6: of back and forth.

858
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 7: I just have to think that I know that there's

859
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 7: some reports out there that like Matt Ryan called them

860
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 7: and said that he would be interested Carson Wes No.

861
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 6: I think Ryan said he's not interested.

862
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 7: Oh No, I think the reports were that he was.

863
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 6: Oh I thought I that I read that he has

864
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 6: had no interest in coming back to play for Okay.

865
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 6: I I don't know, I you know, maybe it's wrong.

866
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 6: Like there's been a couple of when.

867
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, these like veteran like Wentz's I would not go

868
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 7: the Wentz are out because I think he's as broken

869
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 7: as Zach Wilson is. But these veteran quarterbacks that might

870
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 7: not be at the peak of their powers anymore. In

871
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 7: terms of the trades, you know, the arm strength and

872
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 7: stuff like that, they're at least going to make good

873
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 7: decisions with the ball and get the ball out.

874
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 6: Right case Keenum, any case Keenum makes too much sense.

875
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 6: Any So, I heard one thrown out to me today

876
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 6: that I thought was really good and really interesting, and

877
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 6: I don't think it's completely dumb Bardie Mike Reese blogger

878
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 6: Mike Minnesota Kirk Cousins trade, give him a second round

879
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 6: pick for Kirk Cousins. Now, I don't think the Jets

880
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 6: would do it because of the money, Like how much

881
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 6: money you're going to pay quarterbacks and that's cash money,

882
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 6: not cap money. Before you start with your snart, you like,

883
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 6: why not Minnesota's oh and three Cousins's deal is up

884
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 6: at the end of the year. You're probably not going

885
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 6: to resign them. That's good, Like I didn't. I never

886
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 6: even gave it a thought, never even gave it a thought.

887
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 6: But if he were their quarterback, they would be a

888
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 6: playoff contender. I'm not telling you a super Bowl contender,

889
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 6: but they would be a contender for the playoffs.

890
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just think.

891
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 6: But now it's like, I.

892
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: Think Minnesota would have to wait at least a couple

893
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: more games before they would do that, and then by

894
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: that time you expect him to come in learn your offense.

895
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, well you'd have to do it now.

896
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: It's just like, you can't waste too much money for

897
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: you're not going to get the results that you're hoping for.

898
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't think.

899
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 6: See I would do it.

900
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 7: Does any experience with Yeah, so nerve turner system is

901
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 7: pretty similar to what they run.

902
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 6: Yeah. I just think that if you if you did

903
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 6: it right now, if you made that deal today, he

904
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 6: can't play Sunday for you, but he could probably play

905
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 6: next Sunday for you, and then you have a chance.

906
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 6: I mean, how can you know at one? At one

907
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 6: and three it ain't over?

908
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: I know, But are you expecting the Vikings to tell

909
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: their fans and three we're giving up.

910
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 6: I'm thinking the Vikings are going to want to save

911
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 6: the money. That's how I'm thinking that the Vikings. The

912
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 6: Vikings aren't going anywhere.

913
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: I feel like.

914
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 6: If it was a must win for the Patriots to

915
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 6: avoid oh and three, it's a must win for them.

916
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 11: I'm just a little bit shocked that the Jets didn't

917
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 11: do this sooner. It's like after this happened to Aaron

918
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 11: Rodgers in that opener, It's like I would have been

919
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 11: on the phone immediately, because by now they could have

920
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 11: had a guy ready to go.

921
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 6: Correct, you would have a guy that you could have

922
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 6: acquired after that Monday night game who would be ready.

923
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 6: If he wasn't ready to play Sunday, he'd definitely be

924
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 6: ready to play this week. And you have him up

925
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 6: to speed now. I listen. It's not like you're going

926
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 6: to acquire Tom Brady in his prime, Okay, but I

927
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 6: do think I do think you could get a guy

928
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 6: like case Keenum who would come in and know exactly

929
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 6: what you want out of him. And he's not a

930
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 6: world beater, but he's not going to go out there

931
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 6: and do that.

932
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: And with that team, that was the worst.

933
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 6: Quarterback performance I've seen since the last time the Patriots play.

934
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 6: Did him here when he had the previous worst quarterback

935
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 6: performance ever.

936
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 7: Last year was worse.

937
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: Even a modicum of success on offense is going to

938
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: make that defense even better than it is.

939
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 6: Like, as bad as he was in the first game

940
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 6: last year when he threw all the picks with stupid decisions.

941
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 6: At least he made a lot of plays in that game.

942
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 6: He did the last two times they played, he's made

943
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 6: no plays none.

944
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're sitting there and like, Garrett Wilson is this

945
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 7: all world receiver And you just really feel for him

946
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 7: because you know, he said after the game that he

947
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 7: put in all this work in the off season, you know,

948
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 7: to get ready for the year, and he's ready to go,

949
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 7: and he feels like he's, you know, ready to dominate.

950
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 7: But it's just the rest of it's just not there

951
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 7: for him. And it's like, so, you know, we have

952
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 7: a quarterback that doesn't have a number one receiver fantasy team,

953
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 7: and yeah, they have a number one receiver that doesn't

954
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 7: have a quarterback. And it's like if we just like

955
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 7: switch locker rooms real quick, Like would anybody notice that

956
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 7: Garrett Wilson just walked over to the Patriots.

957
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 6: We'll give himjuju, I'll make it fit.

958
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 8: I read the transcript of that, and then it was

959
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 8: you know, we said all this stuff like I just

960
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 8: I don't know what to do. I'm just gonna stay ready,

961
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 8: and they're like, well what about you know, how do

962
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 8: you feel about Zach?

963
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 6: And it was like, oh, yeah, that's my dog.

964
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh boy, Like they're all trying to.

965
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 6: Just based on what I saw on the sideline last year,

966
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 6: I thought there were a lot of signs that they

967
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 6: don't really even like this kid, you know, based on

968
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 6: what I saw band, based on what I saw on Sunday,

969
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 6: you know, reading between the lines, I would say that

970
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 6: Zach Wilson probably did a lot in the off season

971
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 6: in the summer to restore his relationship because they were like,

972
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 6: were really treating him with kid gloves. They were really trying.

973
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 6: I thought like they kept showing, like Fred, I don't

974
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 6: know how much you saw, Like at the broadcast after

975
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,959
Speaker 6: every one of these series, they were showing the Jets

976
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 6: silent because I think they were they were waiting, when's

977
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 6: the explosion coming, And like every time it wasn't really yelling.

978
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 6: It was like, come on, come on, we can do it.

979
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 6: You can come on, Hey, we got this, we got

980
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 6: we could, we could still do this. I just can't

981
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 6: And they just weren't even closer solid.

982
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 7: Just coming to the podium twice now since the game

983
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 7: Monday morning or Monday afternoon and Sunday after the game

984
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 7: and just saying that he gives us the best chance

985
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 7: to win, and like, I get that until they get

986
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 7: another quarterback in they have to say.

987
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 6: Over Tim Boyle, Yeah, I mean he probably does.

988
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 7: I just can't. I can't imagine how you look the

989
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 7: other fifty two guys in the face in that locker

990
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 7: room and say like, we're not gonna do anything as

991
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 7: an organization to upgrade the quarterback position, and we're gonna

992
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 7: just go down with Zach Wilson. Because that team with

993
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 7: Zack Wilson, I don't know how many games they're gonna win.

994
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 7: I mean, point blank.

995
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't see them beating anybody with him playing,

996
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 6: unless that they change the way they're doing it and

997
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 6: live with some mistakes if you let me, if you

998
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 6: make him play like that, he can't. He's not good enough. No,

999
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 6: he's not good enough to play without sort of letting

1000
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 6: it rip a little bit. And then he's not good

1001
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 6: enough to avoid mistakes. So you screwed either way.

1002
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, there are some stretches in his rookie season. They're

1003
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 7: like a two game stretch and I act like it

1004
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 7: was like a whole year, but like I think it

1005
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 7: was like two or three games where he was just

1006
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 7: letting it rip, and he made some really good was

1007
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 7: off structure, you know, like outside the pocket against Tennessee.

1008
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 7: They beat Tennessee in Tennessee. I think his rookie season,

1009
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 7: they upset them. I remember that, and he made some

1010
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 7: really good down the field throws, and uh, you know,

1011
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 7: you just wonder like maybe he is just kind of

1012
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 7: a loose cannon and like trying to put you know,

1013
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 7: training wheels on him and trying to strap him down

1014
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 7: may not be the best thing for them, because like

1015
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 7: at this point, like who cares? Like That's what I

1016
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 7: was thinking on Sunday.

1017
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: It was like.

1018
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 7: Just just chuck one up to Garrett Wilson at some point,

1019
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 7: like who.

1020
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 6: Can't believe they didn't try? How many times did I

1021
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 6: say it?

1022
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 8: But it was what scared me when the game was

1023
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 8: that close and it was coming down to the end

1024
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 8: and you're looking at the how is this and you

1025
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 8: were just waiting for that one.

1026
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: That's about the Jets. Bretton Austin, Texas says, I thought

1027
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: Fred would be much happier with the implosion of the

1028
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: Jets as he hoped for. Is he just feeling bad

1029
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: for them? Hell No, I don't feel bad for them,

1030
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: you know.

1031
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 8: Get what they deserve.

1032
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm happy.

1033
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 6: I think Fred was looking for Aaron Rodgers to just

1034
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 6: not work.

1035
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of like gets it.

1036
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 6: I mean, even a Fred caliber hater of the Jets

1037
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 6: would say, well, the quarterback played four plays.

1038
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 7: So Trevor Simeon is signing with the Jets.

1039
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 8: Now there it is.

1040
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 6: That's not good enough. Yeah, that's it might have been

1041
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 6: good enough on Sunday.

1042
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 7: It's funny because that literally just broke it as we

1043
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 7: were having this conversation.

1044
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 4: Who is their backup right now?

1045
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 6: Timoy? I know, I know see that. That's the other

1046
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 6: thing is they You're right, Fred, we can get off

1047
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 6: the Jets here. But like they should have I think

1048
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 6: I understand why they had to keep Wilson, but they

1049
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 6: should have brought someone in for a bet. There were

1050
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 6: a lot of veterans that changed teams that they could

1051
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 6: have signed.

1052
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: All right.

1053
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: Eight five to five Pass five hundred is the a

1054
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: ticket hotline web radio at Patriots dot com. It's the

1055
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: email address one of two Patriots heading to Dallas. Dallas

1056
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: had a bad loss to the Cardinals, who we thought

1057
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: were giving up on the season before it even started.

1058
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: But I guess not. They've been playing tough Sean's and Vancouver.

1059
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 6: What's up, Sean, I have a rant on that I believe.

1060
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1061
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 12: So on the broadcast during the Patriots first drive, the

1062
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 12: graphic for the starting offensive line for some reason, I

1063
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 12: don't know why it said Calvin Anderson.

1064
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 10: Was at right tackle because I don't think that was more.

1065
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 12: Than a couple of stamps.

1066
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 6: He didn't play.

1067
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't know why they put that. Well, I

1068
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 12: think he did.

1069
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 6: Because that was the game one. That was the offensive

1070
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 6: alignment that they had on the flip card, so that

1071
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 6: you only go by the intimation they have. But Yesdarian

1072
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 6: Lowell played right tackle for the whole game.

1073
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, the whole game. Crazy, No, I agree. I agree

1074
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 12: with you Fred as well about about this particular game.

1075
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 12: That it's a win and that's what it is. And

1076
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 12: I think it's what you were saying, Paula. People have

1077
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 12: these crazy expectations of what it was five or six

1078
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 12: years ago, and it's that's not what this team is.

1079
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 12: It's it's a middling team. And like you're saying, like

1080
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 12: there's toss up games, this was a toss up game.

1081
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 12: There's if I'm looking at it, I'm going to say

1082
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 12: there's five games coming up that I'm going to pencil

1083
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 12: in as a lot, but the others are tossed up.

1084
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 12: So if everything went the way I think it will go,

1085
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 12: which it won't, but I would say, you know, they

1086
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 12: can win ten games, and it doesn't mean they're a

1087
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 12: great team, doesn't mean they're they're they're a terrible team

1088
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 12: or somewhere in the middle, and that's what that's what

1089
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 12: that is. But one thing, one thing about Wilson though

1090
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 12: that I did find a little better. And yeah, he's awful,

1091
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 12: but from last year he wasn't. He was making the

1092
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 12: mistakes where they were getting them pressure, and he'd throw interceptions.

1093
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 12: At least this this game he threw it away. He

1094
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 12: didn't he threw out of bounds or I.

1095
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 7: Don't know which one.

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00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I disagree. I thought he created a lot of

1097
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 6: the pressure that that he faced. They were all over

1098
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 6: him because he just kept drifting out of the pocket.

1099
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 7: And yeah, the last two games that they've played him,

1100
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 7: instead of being a turnover machine, he's been gunshot. And

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00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 7: I just I don't know which one is better. Like

1102
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 7: you said, it just invites press or to just sit there.

1103
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 6: If I would Adjeest. I would much rather the twenty

1104
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 6: two to seventeen loss in the first game last year

1105
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 6: than the last two. Yeah, because at least you had

1106
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 6: a puncher's chance.

1107
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1108
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: Thanks Sean. Let's go to Todd in North Carolina.

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00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 13: Hey, Todd, Hey, I found it a little bit disconcerting

1110
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 13: Paul's comment about the fact that they had, you know, say,

1111
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 13: somebody like Minshew. There's a good chance that could have

1112
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 13: won that game. And I just I feel, like I

1113
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 13: said in that when I called in previous I thought

1114
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 13: Mac was doing all that he possibly can.

1115
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 14: So I don't know.

1116
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 13: I'm curious what is the issue. Is that a Mac issue?

1117
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 13: Is it's a coaching issue. Is it the way the

1118
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 13: old fense is constructed issue? Is it a lack of

1119
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 13: specific players like it?

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00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think they're going through this transition. Like there

1121
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: was one play I think Mac was setting up for

1122
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: a screen. He takes a snap and his feet were

1123
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: all over the place because he was just expecting, you know,

1124
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 2: all kinds of pressure. And I think the line played

1125
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: pretty well on Sunday, especially in past coverage.

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00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 6: I think I think the line was better than it

1127
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 6: has been. But I don't think Mac i think Bill Miller.

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00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: That's not trusting it. Yet, he's not trusting.

1129
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 7: I disagree with your assessments of the line.

1130
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: I think Bill mad don't think it played well.

1131
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 10: Well.

1132
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 6: You only throw twenty nine times, you're not going to

1133
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 6: get sacked very much. Okay, but that's the difference. You

1134
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 6: throw fifty four times, you get sacked.

1135
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean he hits, he got hit a lot. Mac did.

1136
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 13: But need to release Mac like they you guys said

1137
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 13: that they needed to release Wilson. Take the risk because

1138
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 13: if he if he doesn't at least try to feast,

1139
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 13: he's just total fast.

1140
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 8: And he's like leading the league in attempts.

1141
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 6: I'm just getting Wilson.

1142
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 7: I'm confused, Like, so there's to cut, like.

1143
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 6: But he's talking about Zach Wilson. There, he said Wilson,

1144
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 6: He said Wilson.

1145
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 7: Anyways, the offensive line I do not think played well

1146
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 7: in this game. Pass protection. This is the highest pressure

1147
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 7: rate that Max ever faced in the game, well in

1148
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 7: his career though.

1149
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you knew they were going to pressure.

1150
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 6: But the Jets are a good defensive front. But they're

1151
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 6: not necessarily a ferocious pass rushing unit.

1152
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: But but they caused pressure there.

1153
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 6: Yes, I think they did.

1154
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: They're a strong defensive front. They're gonna win a lot

1155
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: of one on one.

1156
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 7: I thought that Trent Brown was absolutely phenomenal. One of

1157
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 7: the best game I've ever seen him play, Absolutely funny

1158
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 7: how that works, Absolutely phenomenal. Like the number one star

1159
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 7: of the game for me, by a long shot is

1160
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 7: Trent Brown.

1161
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 6: And I've seen other people echo that I and then I'm.

1162
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 8: Gonna I'm gonna play the other side of the fence

1163
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 8: and say I have real worries about Cole Strange and

1164
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 8: if he can play in.

1165
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: This But like I'm watching a lot of the All

1166
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: twenty two, you know, Brian Baldinger and all those guys,

1167
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: and they're showing some really good blocking, especially when Zeke

1168
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: was running the ball.

1169
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 7: Run blocking is different run bocking. I thought they did

1170
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 7: better this week. They started moving the line of scrimmage

1171
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 7: a little bit, which is good to see. Double teams

1172
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 7: were working. Cole Strange is a big, big problem for them.

1173
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 7: At left guard, Antonio Maffe's not much better. I think

1174
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 7: he's probably worse. And right tackle Darian Lowe. Uh don't

1175
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 7: want to bash him because like he's in that spot

1176
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 7: for no reason, Like he's not his fault that he's

1177
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 7: playing or you know, being asked to go up against

1178
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 7: John Franklin Myers and Bryce Hof one on one. But

1179
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 7: I think the some of the things that I've seen

1180
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 7: out there that that he only gave up one quarterback

1181
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 7: hit and he played no no stop. He gave up

1182
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 7: eight pressures the skin.

1183
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 4: I feel bad.

1184
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 7: That's a lot.

1185
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 11: I feel bad that clemb is tasked with turning a

1186
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 11: mess into a masterpiece. And in the sense of like

1187
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 11: one bad draft, I know, but it is a mess.

1188
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 6: It's the same four guys who played last year. He

1189
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 6: just replaced a win.

1190
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 11: But I think the injuries too, with those guys being

1191
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 11: in and out, it's like without having these guys out

1192
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 11: there consistently, it's like, how do you find cohesion?

1193
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 8: And that's what I was kind of like holding my

1194
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 8: breath for. But I just I mean, col Strange looks

1195
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 8: exactly the same as he did as a rookie, but

1196
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 8: like he's not going to suddenly gain twenty pounds and

1197
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 8: be able to handle like he's never going to be

1198
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 8: able to handle Quinn Williams.

1199
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 6: You're gonna play him.

1200
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 8: Twice a year every time, it's going to be a

1201
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 8: problem with him going.

1202
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: He uh.

1203
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 7: The Jets very first drive of the game put Quinn

1204
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 7: Williams over col Strange in the three technique and just

1205
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 7: dared him to block him one on one and he

1206
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 7: could not.

1207
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 6: He missed like one play and it was the fifty eight.

1208
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 7: Yard touchdowns the entire game.

1209
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 6: The one thing I'll say that like, I do think

1210
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously the production in the running game was

1211
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 6: was trying really good, you know, one hundred and fifty

1212
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 6: seven yards. I do think that Billy Oh did a

1213
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 6: great job in this game of hitting them with periodic

1214
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 6: runs in passing situations, and they took advantage of it.

1215
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 6: Like I'll give an example is right after the Jets

1216
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 6: kicked a field goal to make it ten to three,

1217
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 6: so they kick off, it's a touchback. You take over

1218
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 6: first and ten. In the twenty five two minute drill,

1219
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 6: first play fourteen yard Zeke Like that's you know, we

1220
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 6: we caught him. I mean, that's that's the old school,

1221
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 6: like Charlie Weiss, you know, like let's get the The

1222
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 6: two minute drill started with the with the run. And

1223
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 6: I did think Zeke ran better in this game than

1224
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 6: the first two. But I thought they had a couple

1225
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 6: of well timed runs that caught the Jets looking for pass.

1226
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 7: They skimmed it up well, they timed it up well,

1227
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 7: and the run back blocked it up well as well.

1228
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 7: The double teams that I have been talking about that

1229
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 7: it's just been no movement in the middle of the line.

1230
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 7: They had quite a few in this game, especially in

1231
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 7: the second half where they were moving the line of

1232
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 7: So what I.

1233
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 6: Would say, just freddie just to put a bow on

1234
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 6: the running thing is. But when you needed to run

1235
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 6: the ball and the other team knew you were going

1236
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 6: to run the ball, you couldn't get any of you know,

1237
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 6: Like that's why I hesitate to just look at the numbers.

1238
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 10: All right.

1239
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Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to talk about Remandre

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Speaker 10: Get everyone a very pleasant good afternoon and welcome to

1264
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 10: met Life Stadium in the Meadowlands. It's a wheak tree

1265
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 10: encounter of the AMC east of the only two Patriots

1266
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 10: have a one and one New York Jets. Your second

1267
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 10: dollion nine from the twenty six o YAH tackle in

1268
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 10: the backfield. Jennings right and all the way nearly took

1269
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 10: the exchange from Wilson to Hall and the Jets the

1270
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 10: door of a loss of six back to the twenties.

1271
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 10: What to read shot this? Daft Jones? What's just coming east? Pressure?

1272
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 10: Throws to the left Kasick, He hasn't at the forty

1273
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 10: outside of like shove by amens the safety trailing the

1274
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 10: play mac Jones able to absorb my head had float

1275
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 10: one to g Sidney to the Jets thirty six.

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00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 15: Boy to talk about hanging in the pocket here David

1277
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 15: and Andrews doubles point and one.

1278
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 10: He has a pit through Michael Winnow and Andrews. But

1279
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 10: it's a really good throw.

1280
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 15: On the quick out to Kasik, It's an eighteen yard out.

1281
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 15: He's the inside slot. The boy, did you need to

1282
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 15: play there?

1283
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 10: From the New York forty two on the near half,

1284
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 10: three receivers right for Wilson to blitz their gumming. Wilson

1285
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 10: stands in loves a bounce tracker any still nobody wants

1286
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 10: do on his own. He filled the backside and then

1287
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 10: is touched up foot, changing wives eventually to the quarterback.

1288
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 10: The blitz was picked up well with your Bill Peppers

1289
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 10: coming from the second level. God does that state will

1290
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 10: could falls great press great for us. You're in the pocket.

1291
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 15: You do a little pressure condenses on you and you

1292
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 15: pirouet and go down to your pull like you can

1293
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 15: have him there.

1294
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 10: Oh man, nothing worse than the guy that goes down

1295
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 10: up He Mac Jones backs up, tries to screen on

1296
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 10: the nearly intercept, you including Williams, got a hand on it.

1297
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 10: The ball was nearly caught by Michael Carter on the run.

1298
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 10: This is starting to get to the point this double

1299
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 10: screen and we've been running. This is three games down.

1300
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 15: Teams are starting to get this on film, perfectly snipped

1301
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 15: up by the Jets.

1302
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 10: They were waiting for them on Remandre.

1303
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 15: They ran Douglas on a jet motion to the left,

1304
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 15: taked it to him, came back from Madra almost eight.

1305
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 10: Picked six, and now Ryland will attempt another forty eight yarder,

1306
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 10: this time in the other direction from straight on, knee down.

1307
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 10: Barringer turns to this classmate, another rookie, takes a high staff,

1308
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 10: gets it down. Ryland's kicks sailing to the uprights. That

1309
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 10: kick is no good. Off to the riot. There's a

1310
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 10: high staff and the rookie. He made his second career

1311
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 10: field goal in the first quarter has its first miss

1312
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 10: here in the second. So again the fifty seven yard

1313
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 10: try for Lafar half Bearinger write me down, turns to Ryland.

1314
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 10: He leans forward in his stands, Cardona staffs at highs.

1315
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 10: Snap is down, he does a low line drive and

1316
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 10: it hooks to the left well short high snap and

1317
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 10: again a second high step on a second midfield goal

1318
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 10: attempt by Ryland. With Patriots come up empty on the

1319
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 10: fifty seven yard at temph going to right and the left.

1320
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 10: He's still ten to three at a half. All right,

1321
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 10: Zach Wilson goes to work for the gun for New York.

1322
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 10: They have really struggled the last three quarters against the Patriots,

1323
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 10: even by Jeff pakstand and playfaking now Wilson, he's always

1324
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 10: about say sacked great coverage and eventually Jennings at Barmore

1325
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 10: collapse on the quarterback inside the twenty five. The officials

1326
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 10: are gonna market at the twenty six. He doesn't want

1327
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 10: to get hit.

1328
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 15: He's stared at the rush right now. He's stared at

1329
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 15: the rush. He has to have his eyes down field.

1330
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 15: He sat down on the last drive.

1331
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 10: Pareleta I'm shocked take when there when Aaron went down,

1332
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 10: and they had that next meeting the next day. Hey, hey,

1333
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 10: we're selling up. We're riding with him. That's what we're doing.

1334
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: Shock.

1335
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 10: That didn't go better than chopping as on prices running

1336
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 10: in the purposely sat most are class rapped for over

1337
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 10: eight thousand yards. Again a quarterback baking. Now they've got

1338
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 10: an at fight brewing, mostly slams of Patriot had mostly

1339
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 10: mostly should be ejected in and I wasn't your quarterback,

1340
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 10: was it?

1341
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1342
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 10: Then Jones got pushed again, just shoved and yet no

1343
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 10: flash to this point. Are you kidding me? This crew?

1344
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 10: Bill Vindovich, the veteran referee who's worked too super Bowls,

1345
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 10: including Super Bowl forty nine, mostly should be ejected flag?

1346
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 10: How can you?

1347
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 17: How can you allah what just took place to go?

1348
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 17: You've got to be kidding mostly Joe on Mac.

1349
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 10: Jones at the end of the play plays that yet

1350
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 10: was swelling in throwing jabs at Jones. KASICKI who's right

1351
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 10: to left Jones with a playfait and I'd thrown.

1352
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 18: Down the light seating pot by Farrell Brown pays He

1353
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 18: got the twenty fifteen ten chase by a minute by

1354
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 18: stretching out into the pylon butt dive for a cup

1355
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 18: down Patrians, You've got to be kidding me.

1356
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 10: This ball will hum so much. On Jones, I thought

1357
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 10: the same thing's gonna get there and tell him it's a.

1358
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 15: It's gotta be a bust and coverage on the Jets

1359
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 15: or they just shown zero respect for Pharaoh Brown that the.

1360
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 10: And any sort of a rope combination. And that's a

1361
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 10: great call on Bill O'Brien because he's basically lined up

1362
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 10: in pub and if you struck him up that right

1363
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 10: tight end scene, nobody within five.

1364
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: Yards of it.

1365
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 10: Fifty eight yards to Farrell Brown. His first catches of

1366
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 10: Patriot running under it playfit real white. He had to

1367
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 10: throw a flatfering a sickie runs to the outside, tackled

1368
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 10: in the open field by Quincy Williams and Mike is

1369
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 10: ragged of the near boundary. I'll have a lot of

1370
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 10: scrimmage and there's a light flag that came in laid

1371
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 10: and Williams is a rate so jug pick the gout

1372
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 10: mostly got he took out mostly I think the j

1373
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 10: Matt Jones with a second down to thirteen from the

1374
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 10: seventeen yard line, three to the left to the right,

1375
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 10: Mac dropping back whistle South playing a stop in its tracks.

1376
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 10: The flag the far side offer from the seventy god

1377
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 10: drum penalty Sill threw down, pending it off the wide

1378
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 10: hip of Joe Matt extending my hand. Another flag another

1379
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 10: full start, all.

1380
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 19: Start offer from the seventy one five droube penaly fire minutes.

1381
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 15: All takes takes one silly undisciplined, undisciplined play to sort

1382
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 15: of bring a plethor of them, and then they all start.

1383
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 15: Then it all falls in line.

1384
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 10: Now thirty goal to go. Jets quick snapping Wilson rolls

1385
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 10: to us right, changed by Judi. Wilson looking at the

1386
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 10: end zone, throws to the end zone and it's incomplete

1387
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 10: cop in the back of the end zone of Miles

1388
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 10: Bryant defending Randall Cobb falling over and then a blag

1389
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 10: is thrown relatively late. It's not catchable ballunless you're gonna

1390
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 10: get him for a hole here. And if you complain enough,

1391
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 10: I guess you'd get to fly to call his pass

1392
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 10: interference and Peppers taking up the cause for the Patriots

1393
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 10: bleeding with Bill vinnevis for Colin Carney and Jona Ball

1394
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 10: and plays the one on line I'm not goodtown.

1395
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 15: It's up break because that's chucking duck play there, third down,

1396
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 15: quick snapping, got nothing that's thrown up in the back.

1397
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 10: As it turns out to Jets have a first and

1398
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 10: goal to go from the water the.

1399
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: Top.

1400
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 10: It's a time both pans on the hole. The tailback

1401
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 10: is a hand up to the man and bought it

1402
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 10: on the plunge and for a score touchdown the York

1403
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 10: so Nick bought in the full back with his first

1404
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 10: career rushing a Jet and the Jets, with a quick

1405
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 10: hitter a bull back plunge off the pass interference of

1406
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 10: the end zone have drawn within a single score at

1407
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 10: thirteen to nine. Control this game. He let this Dougs

1408
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 10: ten team break back in steed one drive. That's it.

1409
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 10: You're a slog of a game like this.

1410
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: It's no he's running.

1411
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 10: Away at three posession game it's won. The Jets backed

1412
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 10: into a third and fifteen at their five. The quarterback

1413
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 10: taking the set poor man rush push up in the

1414
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 10: hall six kick and Wilson goes down to the Enzo

1415
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 10: Judea is there for the sack. Have a safety a

1416
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 10: wrapper up, oh man?

1417
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 15: What unawareness by the quarterback though whole pocket's collapsing around

1418
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 15: in they spun out the prior play. You know your

1419
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 15: offensive line is really struggling right now as we are

1420
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 15: times the man's just poor.

1421
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 10: Awareness by Wilson, great job by Judar, just shut them down.

1422
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 10: Are you the final play this game? Both coming one

1423
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 10: second left Alby snapping in the movie six bar hatch

1424
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 10: my three receiver drove the right. We won and left

1425
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 10: two d safeties for the Patriots, and I mean even

1426
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 10: than mine. Wilson scrambles to the right and holds up,

1427
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 10: steps up, steps up. He lost the hides throne toward

1428
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 10: the end zone. That bubb will come down in the credits.

1429
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 18: Batter Away, Oh my god, really cut like cop on.

1430
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 10: The goal line. It's in complaint and the Patriots winning.

1431
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 19: My gosh, that's a perfect throw by Wilson man two

1432
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 19: yard Stephen and allows with the deflection the Karen the

1433
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 19: potential catch and the boy did they almost Kyle Ducker

1434
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 19: went airport knocking and Hagger with two.

1435
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 10: Hands swatted the ball back and Randall Cobb was at

1436
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 10: the goal line for the Jets and nearly caught it.

1437
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 10: And he's been a part of those types of completions

1438
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 10: in the past where Aaron Roddy. God, that's good and

1439
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 10: that was a Rogers light thrown to the end zone

1440
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 10: by Wilson to that spot. And as we get another

1441
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 10: look on the replay, the ball hit the hands of Cob.

1442
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 10: He hit the hands of God. There's all this turns

1443
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 10: out of the Stree had no clue where the ball was.

1444
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 10: He's trying to box out Garrett Wilson, old man. All right,

1445
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 10: you hear the term of remark. Survive in advance. The

1446
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 10: Patriots survived today fifteen to ten. We gay now with

1447
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 10: a one and two record. They advanced into Week four

1448
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 10: to de gob in Dallas Cowboys with a fifteenth consecutive

1449
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 10: victory over the New York Jets.

1450
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: Patriots unfelt.

1451
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Speaker 2: Ramandre Stevenson before the break, what's.

1459
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: Going on with him? Yeah?

1460
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 8: It was, you know, put him on the down list

1461
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 8: in the postgame show and then you know it. I

1462
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 8: guess yesterday they you know, Bill was asked about it.

1463
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 8: The question, was his Ramondre right now identifying the holes

1464
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 8: the way that you would like him to identify them,

1465
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 8: or is he just not rolling off as many maybe

1466
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 8: five or ten yard runs as he has in the

1467
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 8: past in terms of yards per carry. Bill's response, Yeah,

1468
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 8: I think Ramandre reads box really well, probably as good

1469
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 8: as anybody we've had here. He's got really good vision.

1470
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah. So it's just to me, it seems

1471
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 8: like everybody kind of recognizes that Ramondre isn't kind of

1472
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 8: playing up to the standard that we kind of.

1473
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 6: Hold him to.

1474
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 8: And you know, a little bit of success by Zeke

1475
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 8: I think highlights it a little bit because you said, well,

1476
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 8: one guy is able to at least have a productive

1477
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 8: day eighty yards. It is what it is, you know,

1478
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 8: why isn't he? And I think it's it's a great question.

1479
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure did the Jets like kind of do

1480
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: something different when Ramondre was back there.

1481
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 8: There was so much like setting up the blocks and

1482
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 8: it seems like it's it's slow to get there and

1483
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 8: like it almost seems like he's delaying and waiting for

1484
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 8: something to happen and then it just kind of comes

1485
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 8: to an end instead of like waiting and then boom,

1486
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 8: he's gone.

1487
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 10: You know.

1488
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 6: So I'm not sure two quick things, and I want

1489
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 6: to throw it to Evan for like Fred's question, if

1490
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 6: you notice anything. I think the shotgun runs are not

1491
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 6: conducive to Stevens, and we talked about this last week.

1492
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 6: I don't think it's in his I don't think that's

1493
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 6: his best strength is to get the ball at at

1494
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 6: a standstill and then he kind of like is looking

1495
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 6: to pick a hole as opposed to breaking the tackles

1496
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 6: like when he led the league and ydds after contact.

1497
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 6: But I do think there's something to the fact of

1498
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 6: when Zeke was in there. They're sort of treating it different.

1499
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you noticed any personnel changes,

1500
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 6: Evan when you.

1501
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 7: Watch the not necessarily personnel changes, but two weeks in

1502
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 7: a row now the defense is are slanting or like

1503
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 7: China's knife into gaps to get penetration in the backfield.

1504
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 7: And Remandre is his his idol in football was Le'Veon

1505
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 7: Bell like he wants That's what's he wants to run

1506
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 7: like Le'Veon Bell, where he kind of hangs out behind

1507
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 7: the blockers, like looks like through the net, you know,

1508
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 7: navigates through the line and then boom right like and

1509
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,439
Speaker 7: you know, hits those like you know, ten fifteen twenty

1510
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 7: yard runs when he's rolling. To be patient and to

1511
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 7: be that type of runner, you need to have good

1512
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 7: initial push by the offensive line because if there's early penetrators,

1513
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 7: then that just completely throws it off, you know, the

1514
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 7: entire process for the running back. So I asked him

1515
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 7: last week about at the gun versus under center, and

1516
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 7: he said that there's you know, advantages to bolt. Either

1517
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 7: the under center he gets that head of steam, which

1518
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 7: he likes. But in the gun he can read the

1519
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 7: second level, he said, a little bit easier. He can

1520
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 7: kind of manipulate the linebackers and read the second level

1521
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 7: a little bit easier. So he kind of seemed to

1522
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 7: say that it was, you know, not really the main thing.

1523
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 7: But I don't know. To me, I agree with Paul

1524
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 7: that he is a better runner downhill runner than he

1525
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 7: is a shotgun runner.

1526
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 10: And I do think that a lot of.

1527
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 7: If you like, put a cut up together of Zeke's runs,

1528
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 7: you know, positive runs and then Remondre's runs and like

1529
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 7: put him right next to each other at the same time.

1530
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 7: You would see differences, and you know the size of

1531
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,919
Speaker 7: the holes in the blocking, the way the defensive line

1532
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 7: is playing it like you would see differences, you would.

1533
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's kind of where I landed. And it's

1534
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 6: never all or nothing. There's probably examples of yards that

1535
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 6: Stevenson left on the field. But I just felt like

1536
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 6: most of the time he was getting the ball, he

1537
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 6: was getting smothered in the backfield, and then Elliott was

1538
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 6: getting the ball and he had like edges and had

1539
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 6: the ability to get out. And I do think that

1540
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 6: a couple of his runs were in passing situations. I'm

1541
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 6: not telling you he was only productive because of that,

1542
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 6: because I thought he ran really well. He was much

1543
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 6: better in this game than he was either one of

1544
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 6: the first two. It's like a whole different player.

1545
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1546
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 6: See if he could take that to Dallas now.

1547
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 8: I mean, you know they they're of their top plays.

1548
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 8: I mean three of them were runs fourteen yards, thirteen yards,

1549
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 8: twelve yards all by all by Zeke, all first down

1550
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 8: carries on New England side of the ball. So onside

1551
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 8: of the side of the field.

1552
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: What was Stevenson's yards per carry?

1553
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 6: Oh under under three.

1554
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 7: Well, so he's at two point nine for the year

1555
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 7: three five and for what it's worth, you know, next

1556
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 7: gen chracks, you know, rushing yards over expectation and he's

1557
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 7: fourth worst in the league. He's lost forty seven yards

1558
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 7: that they would expect him to pick up. But again,

1559
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 7: I think that this is more about he didn't you know,

1560
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 7: he is a type of guy that needs to like

1561
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 7: know where the creases are going to be, where the

1562
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 7: holes are going to be, where how the blocking is

1563
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 7: going to develop, and have really good rhythm with the blocks.

1564
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 7: And I just don't think that that timing and that

1565
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 7: processing is is there right now. I don't think it's

1566
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 7: like anything physical with Remandre. I just think that he's

1567
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 7: not syncing up with the box right now.

1568
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 8: But I throw it to the passing game too though,

1569
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 8: and I think, like, you know, four targets, one catch,

1570
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 8: three yards, we don't have to drop on third down.

1571
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 6: You know, like there's just there's something not right there.

1572
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 8: He was such a productive player in training camp. I

1573
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 8: mean they just they threw the ball team constantly out

1574
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 8: of the backfield when when they were getting ready for

1575
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 8: the season. So I don't know, I'm just it's it's disappointing.

1576
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: The holding stuff back.

1577
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 6: If it was a little older, i'd be worried, you

1578
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 6: know about yeah, with the workload that he had last year.

1579
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 6: But he's too young that I think that I.

1580
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 7: Am a little bit worried about that.

1581
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 6: I can't I can't be all of it, but I

1582
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 6: mean he had a lot of touches last year. Yeah.

1583
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 7: The drop though, I'll give him a slight reprieve because

1584
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 7: right as they were going into that sequence of plays,

1585
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 7: it started downpouring and like like right when that happened,

1586
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 7: and it wasn't raining at that point until that point

1587
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 7: in the game. So I think that at the Cincinnati

1588
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 7: game a few years that that was like, you know,

1589
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 7: I think a lot of Okay, let's get the towels out,

1590
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 7: let's get you know, all the different you know, rain

1591
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 7: gear and stuff like that.

1592
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 2: So uh, and Rique and Monterey says, I understand, a

1593
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 2: win is a win, but we are going nowhere. Fred

1594
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: might be thrilled about the win, but we barely beat

1595
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: a college team at best. It's here's where I get

1596
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 2: into college about that defense.

1597
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,560
Speaker 6: The Jets. There's nothing in college about the team. The

1598
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 6: only college aspect is the quarterback, right, And I understand

1599
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 6: that's the most important thing. That's why you won. The

1600
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 6: Jets are good, Like you have to get your your

1601
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 6: preconceived notions of the Jets out. The Jets are a

1602
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 6: good team. They just have no quarterback.

1603
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 8: Somehow they beat the Bills. I mean, you know, we

1604
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 8: we we can't buy a clue against the Bills.

1605
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 6: But I would wonder what will happen like the next

1606
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 6: time they play, when they when they prepare for Zach

1607
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 6: Wilson instead of Aaron Rodgers. But still still there's still

1608
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 6: no excuse for losing that game.

1609
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: That night, Patty said, aga, what's up Patty? Going on?

1610
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 14: Everyone? Hey, though I had a little bit of a

1611
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 14: ran a Mac.

1612
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 20: And I feel let me get through Chris. But for me,

1613
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 20: I mean I'm sort of going I'm leaning more towards

1614
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 20: like what Paul and I have been saying, you know,

1615
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 20: to maybe I think he's just you know, I was

1616
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 20: team of Cwellens for a long time, but I think

1617
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 20: he might be one of those net neutral average guys.

1618
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 20: I mean, he's what the biggest thing I took away

1619
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 20: Sunday's game. Well, hell, I mean, he can't close out

1620
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 20: a game when they're winning, just like you know, they

1621
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 20: can't come back when they're losing. And maybe, I mean,

1622
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 20: we saw him the twenty years of Brady's here. Those

1623
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 20: those twenty years were dominated by him, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger.

1624
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 20: He had a few one offs with like the rape

1625
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 20: still Flack, and a couple of Super Bowl wins with

1626
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 20: Eli Manning. And maybe, I mean maybe, just maybe gets

1627
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 20: hot down the spread. He's kept slightning in a bottle,

1628
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 20: and he won a Super Bowl with the guy. But yeah,

1629
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 20: I just don't see it. I think his defense is

1630
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 20: completely healthy. More notably, if all the Jones are back

1631
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 20: in the defense ave backfield, his defense is really there.

1632
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 14: They're legit.

1633
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 20: But I don't know if the quarterback.

1634
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 14: And that's where I'm at right now, and hopefully he

1635
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 14: looks better Bunce bread, But who the hell knows?

1636
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Patty h. Let's go to Bill in Oklahoma.

1637
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 21: Hey, Bill, Hey, how are you guys? Real quick? We're

1638
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 21: gonna go back in the way back machine. Remind me Myers'

1639
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 21: contract was up at the end of last year. What

1640
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 21: was the scuttle bet about not resigning him.

1641
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: The scuttle butt. The scuttle butt was he was one

1642
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: of the uh MATC. Jones five.

1643
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1644
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 6: I mean some people think that he wasn't necessarily on

1645
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 6: board with the Matt Patricia Joe Judge offense. I wonder why,

1646
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 6: and he was outspoken about it, and and maybe that

1647
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 6: was the.

1648
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 8: Reason why the I mean, let me say my part too,

1649
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 8: which was totally wrong, but you know, hey, let's try

1650
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 8: to upgrade this spot. Let's try to get somebody who's faster,

1651
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 8: more athletic for the middle of the field.

1652
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 6: That was you know, my point of view of why

1653
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 6: and it was wrong, ye, in the same bot.

1654
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 21: Because that goes into my next point, is I about

1655
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 21: I don't normally get really really fired up during a

1656
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 21: game unless it's something that I just can't help. But

1657
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 21: and Juju is making me lose my hair faster than

1658
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 21: I should be right now, the personal foul. Okay, So

1659
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 21: Ramandre bumbles the ball last year and he gets pulled

1660
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 21: out of the game.

1661
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 14: For the rest of the game.

1662
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 21: Juju misses and he's not on the same page. He

1663
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 21: wasn't all app and he wasn't at training camp. He

1664
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 21: was barely when he was he didn't do anything, and

1665
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 21: then he gets a personal foul.

1666
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: Why are we not.

1667
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 6: Plenty because he's a veteran because he paid? Oh I understand,

1668
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 6: but that's no, I'm not telling you I like it.

1669
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 6: I'm telling you that's the reason. Like a Qi Elliot

1670
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 6: fumbled ball the first play that he was a Patriot,

1671
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 6: he didn't lose a second of playing time, right, It's

1672
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 6: it's it's a thing.

1673
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 7: The one thing about Juju that that concerned me in

1674
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 7: terms of the Myers versus Juju comp You know, the

1675
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 7: metrics favored Juju in a lot of categories, but man

1676
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 7: coverage was the one thing that Myer. Myers is a

1677
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 7: better route runner, better separator against man coverage than Juju

1678
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 7: and has been for a couple of years now. And

1679
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 7: I think that that's coming to fruition. Like I can't

1680
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 7: help but think that some of those third down plays,

1681
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 7: maybe Myers and Mack are on the same page and

1682
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 7: they make those completions and it's a different situation.

1683
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 6: And I'll say this about you know, the Juju and

1684
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 6: Myers thing, and it's an example of where, you know,

1685
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 6: like why I think you need metrics. I think the

1686
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 6: more information you have in sports, the better the more,

1687
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 6: but sometimes you still have to go old school. And

1688
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 6: I think where people miss it is in a couple

1689
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 6: of ways. One of them is just what Evan just

1690
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 6: kind of talked about, like, you know, my just found

1691
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 6: a way to get open, okay. Another one is who

1692
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 6: is quantifying the amount of space that Juju Smith Schuster

1693
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 6: had to work in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes and

1694
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 6: Travis Kelcey as opposed to a good point Jacoby Myers

1695
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 6: with Matt Patricia Colin plays in Mac Jones and the

1696
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 6: rest of that skill position guys. Okay. And one last

1697
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 6: intangible that doesn't show up on a spreadsheet anywhere is

1698
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 6: Mac loved the guy. Mac clearly went to Myers when

1699
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 6: he needed a play, and more often than not it worked,

1700
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 6: and they still pulled the plug on it like that.

1701
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 6: Those things don't show up in metrics. It's not yards

1702
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 6: have to catch, it's not man or zone. It's not

1703
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 6: something you can put on a sheet. It's something you

1704
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 6: just have to sort of identify and look.

1705
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 4: At a we're with Paulick.

1706
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 11: You can't buy the chemistry that they had and then

1707
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 11: he's got to have it moments specifically in the Jets

1708
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 11: game that just happened, Jacoby would have probably gotten a

1709
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 11: lot of those third downs, so that that would have

1710
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 11: gotten his first on.

1711
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 6: The Patriots, he would have gotten one of them. Yeah,

1712
01:15:59,400 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 6: for sure.

1713
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 7: It just your point of like the we from the

1714
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 7: outside looking in, like, we know that Mac and Jacoby

1715
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 7: were close and they had good chemistry, But from the

1716
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 7: outside looking in, we can only go with the information

1717
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 7: that we have, right, And there's two things about the

1718
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 7: Juju signing that really irk me. One is the chemistry

1719
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 7: thing on the field with Mac and the quarterback and Jacoby.

1720
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 7: The coaches are with those guys every single day, so

1721
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 7: they know how close Mac and Jacoby were. They know

1722
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 7: how much Mac trusted Jacoby and they still went this way.

1723
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 7: The other thing is the medicals. They knew when they

1724
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 7: signed Juju that his knee was a problem, and they

1725
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 7: did it anyways. So those are two pieces of information

1726
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 7: that we do not have as much information. We all

1727
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 7: watch the same film, we all have the same stats,

1728
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 7: but we don't have the ability to be inside the

1729
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 7: locker room to know the relationships with the players as

1730
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 7: well as they do. And we don't know the medical

1731
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 7: side of things. And those two boxes clearly have favored

1732
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 7: Jacoby Meyers heavily, and they just ignored them.

1733
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: You gotta wrap it up.

1734
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 21: Approving of all the teams in the in the NFL,

1735
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 21: the Raiders are proving that he is the better receiver

1736
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 21: at this point.

1737
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 8: It's just amazing.

1738
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: All right, thanks for the call, Bill. Let's go to

1739
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:13,839
Speaker 1: Eldred North Carolina.

1740
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 16: Hey, Aldred, Hey, all right, Yeah, I'm feeling a little

1741
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 16: just carnt it, but I haven't I feel your pain, bro.

1742
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 6: I've been fitting your paymaker, playmaker, painker. He's looking for

1743
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 6: a playmaker.

1744
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 22: We don't need it, We don't need to do one.

1745
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 6: I get misquoted so much I get quoted. I get

1746
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 6: misquoted so mudd someone someone wrote, Someone wrote an as

1747
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 6: pf W when a guy who hates me with a passion,

1748
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 6: I'll say that up front, right vicious stuff to me

1749
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 6: all the time, which which is fine because I take

1750
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 6: them all. But he's he suggested that I said that

1751
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 6: they should trade a lot of resources to get justin fields,

1752
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 6: Like can you guys tell me when I.

1753
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 7: Suggested I was actually gonna ask you guys about that,

1754
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 7: because I was.

1755
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 6: Like, can you guys say that? Like I said that

1756
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 6: if you wanted Justin Fields, he would have been easily

1757
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 6: because the Giants, I mean the Bears didn't have to

1758
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 6: give up much to go from like twenty to eleven,

1759
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 6: and the Patriots were fifteen, so they wouldn't have had

1760
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 6: to give up much to do it. Yeah, and I

1761
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 6: liked Justin Fields coming out. I'll own that I'm not

1762
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 6: gonna walk away from that. I liked Justin fields skill set.

1763
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 6: I even am so stubborn that I think God forbid

1764
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 6: that if he had a competent head coach like Bill Belichick,

1765
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 6: that maybe Justin Fields would be even better than you think,

1766
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 6: you know, in this kind of a school. Now, maybe

1767
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 6: it wouldn't have worked. Maybe he still would have gotten

1768
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 6: Matt Patricia and it wouldn't have worked. Who knows, But

1769
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 6: I would have liked to have seen Justin Fields work

1770
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 6: with Josh McDaniels as a rookie and see where he

1771
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 6: is in year three as opposed to Matt Eberflus and

1772
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,839
Speaker 6: Matt Naggy, which I think has been a disaster in Chicago.

1773
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 6: But I never suggested trading a lot of resources to

1774
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 6: do that to move up four spots. Carry Sorry, we

1775
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 6: should have got it.

1776
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 16: But other than that, I haven't mean you could be

1777
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 16: playing for the next couple of years because just this GM,

1778
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 16: just with Gime, won't.

1779
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 14: Get the guy that we need.

1780
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 16: And if they come to Jesus meeting with mister Craft,

1781
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 16: oh here, he's.

1782
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 23: Going that the only time we're gonna get them, got

1783
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 23: them kind of guy.

1784
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 14: So we're gonna be doing this for you.

1785
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 22: I've been a team.

1786
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm with you. You know, Patty was talking about

1787
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 7: Mac and I think you know, I don't want people

1788
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 7: to think that I think Max stinks. I don't think

1789
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,560
Speaker 7: Max stinks. I just think that he's average. But in

1790
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 7: order to get him to be better than average, they

1791
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 7: have to do what Eldrid is saying. And that's all

1792
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 7: I've been saying all along was we have to call

1793
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 7: a spade to spade with Mac, which is that he's

1794
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 7: just okay, not not terrible, not good, just okay. But

1795
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 7: if he had better weapons around him, I can't help

1796
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 7: but thinking it would be better. Now, if you want

1797
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 7: to upgrade the quarterback and you want to go down

1798
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 7: that path, fine like that, that's a fine way to

1799
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 7: solve the problem too. But if this is who your

1800
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 7: quarterback is and there's really no upgrade there, or reasonable upgrade.

1801
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 7: Then the only logical thing to do is to go

1802
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 7: get him a Garrett Wilson, to go get him a

1803
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 7: Tyreek kill.

1804
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean watching I'm watching the Raiders game, and I

1805
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: know this, you know, is a step below the elite quarterbacks,

1806
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: but like Devontae Adams makes him so much better.

1807
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 8: Put the zip code, you know.

1808
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think how many picks I would give up

1809
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 7: for Devonte Adams would be a boatload.

1810
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 11: I mean the prime example is the forty nine ers.

1811
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 11: You look at mister irrelevant and you look at who

1812
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 11: is around him, like if he if you put Rock

1813
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 11: Party on this team, he would not look the way

1814
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 11: he looks right now. I mean, he did not play

1815
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 11: well the other night, and they still want there often

1816
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 11: still looks incredible.

1817
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, because of who they surrounded him. You could put

1818
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 4: anybody in that in that offense.

1819
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 7: I mean take Shanahan too, or yes, you could.

1820
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 11: Put anybody except maybe Zach Wilson in that offense and

1821
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 11: they're gonna look great.

1822
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 7: We might we might make Zach Wilson look good.

1823
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: Williams and fellam, what's up William.

1824
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 16: Hey?

1825
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 10: Fred?

1826
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: How you doing all right?

1827
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 24: All right?

1828
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 6: Sea Breeze. They won, Paul, I'm telling you this.

1829
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 14: All the statis are killing anyway. Okay, let me say like.

1830
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 24: This, thirty and six thirty and sixteen, third and eighteen

1831
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 24: Max needs his number one wide receivers. I mean, can

1832
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 24: we can we stop with this? Well, okay, if he stopped,

1833
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 24: if the receiver stop thumbling the ball and all this

1834
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 24: old nonsense, Okay, how about just stop playing those dumb

1835
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 24: games right and this go get justin Jallason give up.

1836
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 20: What two first round picks?

1837
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 24: A third and eyed damn man three? I mean, can

1838
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 24: we really get this man of receiver that?

1839
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 14: I mean, We've been going through this for too long now.

1840
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 23: I mean, like as long as Bill GM, it's.

1841
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 24: A mess man, you got to get rid of his

1842
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 24: I've got to get rid of him as GM. I'm

1843
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 24: the standing coasting because I know, I know Ju's got

1844
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 24: his hand in his back pocket.

1845
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 20: So you know, I know how that's going though.

1846
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 10: But you know what I mean.

1847
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's like they.

1848
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 7: I do, like the whole thing about build a GM.

1849
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 7: Like look, I'm the first one to get on the

1850
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 7: soapbox with William about the receivers, like we're all on

1851
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 7: the same page there. The rest of the roster, though,

1852
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 7: other than maybe tackle, is not that bad. Like the

1853
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 7: rest of the defense is stacked, Like the defense might

1854
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,560
Speaker 7: have some of the best depth and most talent of

1855
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 7: any defense in the NFL besides maybe San Francisco's. Like

1856
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 7: they are stacked on defense and they're not even healthy,

1857
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 7: and they're gonna get some of the guys back, like

1858
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 7: Jonathan Jones didn't even play. Jack Jones I think is

1859
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 7: working his way back and is getting close and he's

1860
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 7: eligible to return after Week four. Like they're getting some

1861
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 7: guys back to even add to what they've already done

1862
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 7: on defense, Like Kean White is is going to be

1863
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 7: a game wrecker. I think, you know, whether it's bar

1864
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 7: more level or more regardless, he can't even get on

1865
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 7: the field right Like, you know, they can't even play

1866
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 7: him or Marty Mapu right now. They've made strides in

1867
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 7: areas of this roster, they just have not at the

1868
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 7: receiver position, Like that's really all it is. Like if

1869
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 7: they had a Jerry Judy, if they had a T. Higgins,

1870
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 7: they're not going to get Justin Jefferson, So let's like

1871
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 7: just give up on that. But if they got if

1872
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 7: the Bengals keep heading down the path that they're heading

1873
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 7: down right now in their season and they're not going

1874
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 7: to pay t Higgins at the end in the off

1875
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 7: season at the deadline, yeah, I would absolutely be calling

1876
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 7: the Bengals the same thing with the Broncos, and Jerry.

1877
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 6: Judy is your guy if you're looking to make a deal.

1878
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 6: I think Cincinnati is going to be fine, provided that

1879
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 6: very positive doesn't explode. I think Denver, if Denver's going

1880
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 6: to be looking at you like somebody on.

1881
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 7: That roster, Judy, I would call for Judy now, Like

1882
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 7: I wouldn't wait until November first to make that deal.

1883
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 7: Like I would try to get him in the building

1884
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 7: as soon as you possibly can. I would be calling

1885
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 7: Denver immediately and being like, we offered you this in

1886
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 7: the because they I believe there were reports out there

1887
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,879
Speaker 7: that they tried to trade for Judy in the offseason already.

1888
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: If you're the Jets, would you trade for Russell Wilson.

1889
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 7: In that contract?

1890
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 11: No?

1891
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: Yikes, Kenny and Flatsboro, Uh oh, I did that. I'm sorry,

1892
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: Kenny Calder.

1893
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 6: All right, So while you're waiting, while you're waiting for

1894
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 6: him to call, wa Okay, so just real quick, the

1895
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 6: the Arizona thing. I finally, I don't know if you

1896
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 6: guys saw any of the do you guys see the

1897
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 6: video with manty ausen Ford by the way, Oh no,

1898
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 6: absolutely crazy? They won the game. Okay, they very much

1899
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 6: are tanking. And this is I'm glad this this got

1900
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 6: brought up because I think tanking is one of the

1901
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 6: most misunderstood words in sports. They're playing their asses off.

1902
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 6: What when you tank, it's a philosophical decision to get

1903
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 6: rid of as many players that might help you win

1904
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 6: games as you can that aren't going to be there

1905
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 6: to be part of when you expect to be good again.

1906
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 6: And that's why you see like Isaiah Simmons get traded

1907
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 6: before the season, like he's not gonna be a You're

1908
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 6: not gonna re sign him, so he's not gonna be around.

1909
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 6: But that's three games that they played their butts off.

1910
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 6: And I who's their offensive coordinator?

1911
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 7: Evan So their offensive coordinator. I actually had to do

1912
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 7: some research on him because I've never heard of this guy,

1913
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 7: Drew Pearson.

1914
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 6: Or something like that. That guy's coaching his butt off. Yeah,

1915
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 6: all three games they came out of the locker room

1916
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 6: ready to go up, especially the last two less so

1917
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 6: against Washington, the Giants. In the Dallas game, they were

1918
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 6: unstoppable in the first half. That tells me that they're

1919
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 6: Drew Petsing. Okay, never heard him. It's pets not pets not.

1920
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 7: Of the Cardinals, because I don't know who this guy is.

1921
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 6: So that they like they they obviously have some game

1922
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 6: plans that are completely taken the opponent by surprise. Now

1923
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 6: they don't have a lot of talent, so eventually they

1924
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 6: get slowed down. But that's that's tanking. You can play hard.

1925
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 6: You got a bunch of young guys that are trying

1926
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 6: to win the game and trying to establish themselves as

1927
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 6: NFL players, and they they probably should be two and one, right,

1928
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 6: you know, and they could be three and oh with

1929
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 6: a break here there they were, you know, they were

1930
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 6: right in the Washington game. They blew the Giants game,

1931
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 6: and then they blew the Cowboys out because they kept

1932
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 6: coming up with red zone stops. The Cowboys were one

1933
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 6: for five in the red zone.

1934
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 7: They're their offense is really well done.

1935
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 6: Josh Dobbs and Joshua Dobbs can't play like they and

1936
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 6: they score they played they have a lot of team

1937
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 6: speed on the offense too, and and they they gave

1938
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,719
Speaker 6: Dallas a ton of problems.

1939
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 7: And I was like, and the eye candy and all this.

1940
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 7: I was like, what who is this offensive coordinator? So

1941
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 7: he came from Cleveland, you know, so he's from that

1942
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 7: like Stefanski norv Turner, like that sort of tree. But

1943
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 7: I was really really impressed with how fast and how

1944
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 7: hard they played in that game against Dallas, Like that

1945
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 7: was a really really good offensive performance given.

1946
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 10: What they have.

1947
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,759
Speaker 1: Kenny, what's up? Kenny?

1948
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 22: Hey guys, I'm first time calling into the show, but

1949
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 22: I just want to let you guys know I watched

1950
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 22: all Patriots media, so Evan Lezar, shout out to you,

1951
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 22: my man, you are a genius.

1952
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 7: Shout out bro right far, but thank you, Kenny, appreciate.

1953
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 22: Let me tell you why, because I watched the Cash

1954
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 22: twenty two with you and Alex bar and not in

1955
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 22: the game you were talking about going under center, like

1956
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 22: having the offense go under center, and I was like, well, hey,

1957
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 22: let me just watch this, and then when the game

1958
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 22: goes on, I'm watching them go on the center. Positive play,

1959
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 22: positive play. I'm like, man, Evans is all needs to

1960
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 22: be like the like offensive whisper and like in therophes.

1961
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: You know, the chicken.

1962
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 7: Thanks Kenny, I appreciate it.

1963
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 22: Not enough people appreciate Evan guys, all right, And you know,

1964
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 22: for me, I'm just looking to see, like you know,

1965
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 22: I'm kind of one of those fans, and I'm like, Okay,

1966
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 22: let's see how the season stakes out, you know, because

1967
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 22: you know I have I guess I'm a little bit

1968
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 22: more optimistic, like, Okay, let's let's see how, like our

1969
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 22: offensive line gets healthier. Maybe Juju gets a little bit healthier.

1970
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 22: Maybe they're possibly load managing him. Maybe I don't know,

1971
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 22: but you know, let's see how the season shakes out.

1972
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 22: But like, you know, let's see how we got injuries.

1973
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 22: I believe in Tommy Current when he's like, we got

1974
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 22: we got a couple of wins there, So I was

1975
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 22: just goway and see.

1976
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, little engine that could Jets.

1977
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 7: I will say about Juju because he's catching a lot

1978
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 7: of flak, which understandably, so I do think that they're

1979
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 7: starting to figure out like the best ways to use Juju.

1980
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 7: I think when they signed Juju. The in the first

1981
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 7: couple of games, he's running like all of these like

1982
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 7: quick change of direction routes like whip routes and things

1983
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 7: like that, and he's just not creating any separation and

1984
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 7: it's just not really his game. So as much as

1985
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 7: they need to get the timing and the you know,

1986
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 7: chemistry down on some of these these fades that they

1987
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 7: threw in Sunday's game, Like, that's the juju that I

1988
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 7: remember watching, right, it's you know, down the field routes,

1989
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 7: you know, slants, digs, fade routes like slot fades, you know,

1990
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 7: things like that like that. That's usc that's Pittsburgh juju.

1991
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 7: Like that's he was never a jitterbug, Like, he was

1992
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 7: never a quick hit, change of direction type of receiver.

1993
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 7: So I'm hoping that that there will be more plays

1994
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 7: like as they continue to figure out the personnel. And

1995
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 7: that was the biggest takeaway for me, other than the

1996
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 7: fact that they were able to play with the lead

1997
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 7: so they didn't have to throw the ball, you know,

1998
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 7: fifty times, that they were kind of figuring out like

1999
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 7: all right, how does O'Brien view the personnel and like

2000
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 7: what are the best buttons to push here with this

2001
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 7: group of playmakers? And I thought that they had a

2002
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 7: nice more you know, kind of gel to it like

2003
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 7: it looked like the way I would expect it to

2004
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 7: have looked when they brought O'Brien back, you know, and

2005
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 7: not as much in the first two weeks.

2006
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 10: Uh.

2007
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 2: The email addresses web radio at patries dot com. David

2008
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 2: and Bethlehem writes in guys, take some vitamin D to

2009
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 2: booi your mood. Context Egos are a top five offense,

2010
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: not defense. Miami is top five in offense, just top

2011
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: five in defense. The Patriots are battling. Question what's wrong

2012
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 2: with Stevenson's stutter stepping every time?

2013
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 6: Why don't you take some invited yeah, you know, and

2014
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 6: realize that he's trying as hard as he can. Right,

2015
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 6: I'm just kidding.

2016
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 22: Fair.

2017
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 6: The email's fair. I'm not a big fan of it.

2018
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 6: I know I predicted it, and it happened my predicted.

2019
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 6: On the post game show, we will get inundated with ooh,

2020
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 6: I guess the Patriots defense is better than you thought

2021
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 6: after they scored seventy that. I don't care what they

2022
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 6: did against Denver. I don't care what happens against Denver.

2023
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 6: I only saw what I happened, but I saw well

2024
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 6: nobody except the night against the Patriots. They scored at

2025
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 6: will the night against the Chargers. They scored at will

2026
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 6: the night against the Broncos, they scored at will. They

2027
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 6: have a good offense. They're gonna go up and down

2028
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 6: the field and score points. That's what they're gonna do. No, no,

2029
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 6: it's not always gonna be twenty four. It's not always

2030
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 6: going to be seventy. But they were a good offense

2031
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 6: and the Patriots were fine. Like, I don't think any

2032
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 6: different of the Patriots based on what other teams do

2033
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 6: against that same team. It doesn't make sense to me.

2034
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's I know, I know Patriots are

2035
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: better than most defenses.

2036
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 7: I agree that that I was too harsh on the

2037
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 7: Patriots defense after seeing Miami score seventy points in the game.

2038
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 6: Some of those clips of the Broncos laying on the field, yes, funny,

2039
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 6: but I score seventy on the other side, I thought

2040
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 6: it was photoshot exactly. I totally agree with you, Fred,

2041
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 6: I thought one of the ways a joke.

2042
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 7: But then you can also say, like they caught Philly

2043
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 7: in Week one when they didn't have it. They didn't

2044
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 7: play anybody in the preseason, and Jalen Hurts really hasn't

2045
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 7: looked right in any of the games that they've played.

2046
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 7: I know they've won the all three of them.

2047
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 6: But they scored last night, oh like twenty yeah, without

2048
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 6: without the safety and the picks. You know that he

2049
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 6: sat up.

2050
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 7: He doesn't look great. And you know, the point being

2051
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 7: is that we can play this schedule game right right.

2052
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 6: And the bottom line is, I think the Patriots defense

2053
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 6: played really well against Philadelphia. I thought they played exceptionally

2054
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 6: well against the Jets. I don't care that the Jets

2055
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 6: won't score against anybody else. I saw the game. The

2056
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 6: Patriots defense played really well. Do you know what I mean? Like,

2057
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 6: if the worst defense in football shuts them out in

2058
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 6: two weeks, I'm not gonna say, well, I don't think

2059
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 6: as much about that. No, on Sunday, your defense needed

2060
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 6: to get a stop every time it went on the field, Well,

2061
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 6: you were going to lose, and they did. That's good defense,

2062
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 6: do you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't matter

2063
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 6: to me if they go out and score no points

2064
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 6: against the Chiefs on Sunday, Like I won't say, well,

2065
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 6: the Chiefs defense is better than the Patriots.

2066
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 8: I mean, does it really make anyone feel better to watch?

2067
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 8: Like Miami roll seventy on somebody, does that really make

2068
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 8: you feel better?

2069
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 6: Everything else say is it made me laugh? It was

2070
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 6: fun to watch. We were watching the red zone behind

2071
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 6: you right now, and it was unreal. Just every time

2072
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 6: we looked up some dolphin, like I saw that some

2073
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 6: guy who no one ever heard of was saying that

2074
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 6: he had talked to a lot of personnel people around

2075
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 6: the league, and they felt like that was disrespectful that

2076
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 6: they ran it up. The last touchdown they scored was

2077
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 6: a sixty eight yard run.

2078
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I think it was disrespectful.

2079
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 11: They didn't go for the record, and they took and

2080
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 11: they took a knee, They took two out of the game,

2081
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 11: didn't play in.

2082
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 6: The fourth quarter. I don't know how that's disrespectful. They

2083
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 6: did throw a long pass to Robbie Chosen.

2084
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 1: You know, it was disrespectful. The effort that the debt

2085
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 1: for defense.

2086
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 6: That was much more disrespectful than anything else. Thank you, Fred.

2087
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 6: I agree, and listen, I I am not going to

2088
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 6: tell you that I'm not a like in the pros

2089
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 6: you shouldn't run. I've seen running it up and there's

2090
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 6: times that I think it's disrespectful and you shouldn't do

2091
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 6: Patriots in two thousands. That wasn't it. No, And that

2092
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 6: wasn't it. That wasn't running up You don't take a knee.

2093
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 6: That Bill would have kicked a field goal there, There's

2094
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 6: no doubt in my mind. I would have kicked it

2095
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 6: to make it seventy three.

2096
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 8: Oh that McDaniel talked about that, No, no, not going

2097
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 8: for the record. I mean, I respect it, but he

2098
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 8: has you know, he's like look and I mean, you know,

2099
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 8: not the karma, but I mean those are the things

2100
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 8: going through that head coach's mind and how they are.

2101
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 6: And I'm not telling you McDaniel did the right thing.

2102
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 6: Maybe he should have kicked the field goal. And I

2103
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 6: don't know, but I'm just telling you, if you're running

2104
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 6: up the score, you're trying to score every point you can.

2105
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 6: You're not taking your starter out, you're not running the

2106
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 6: ball exclusively, and you're not kneeling in field goal range.

2107
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 7: Yeah. I just don't know what you Like. I always

2108
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 7: look at games like that. I'm like, so, like, what

2109
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 7: do the Patriots do against this offense? Because now the

2110
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 7: Miami Dolphins are in your division, they have a whiz

2111
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 7: kid as a head coach, they have Tua playing well,

2112
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 7: and they have all these the speed and all these

2113
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 7: receivers atch and the running back rounds like a four

2114
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 7: to three Like they're the fastest offense in the NFL,

2115
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 7: no doubt about it, with a great coordinator running the

2116
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 7: show in a good quarterback to distribute the ball. And

2117
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 7: if they can run the ball like that against you,

2118
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 7: and they can hit the deep pass like I don't

2119
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 7: know what you do, Like the Patriots emptied the box

2120
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 7: and they played a lot of too deep and I

2121
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 7: kind of killed them for it because of all but all,

2122
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,719
Speaker 7: they're just giving up all the yards on the ground

2123
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 7: and surrendering. But then he threw he runs for two

2124
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 7: hundred yards, Like I just that's such a tough offensive defense.

2125
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:52,560
Speaker 10: Did you see that?

2126
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 6: You know, the next gen stuff with the speed, Like

2127
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 6: the six to six fastest ball carriers this year in

2128
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 6: three weeks are all Dolphins. Yeah, it's like two for

2129
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 6: Hill two for most of than two for eight chain.

2130
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 6: It's why he said it's a chanch all the all.

2131
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 7: Twenty two of their offense. Like they they get guys

2132
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 7: so far up the field that sometimes you can't even

2133
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 7: see them on the even.

2134
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 6: On their shown to Ty Hill was a little like.

2135
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 7: I mean, the safeties are playing like forty yards back

2136
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 7: just to be deep as the deepest, and then there's

2137
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:26,719
Speaker 7: just all this space in the middle of the field

2138
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 7: for two to throw into it. It's I don't know,

2139
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 7: that's scary.

2140
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 2: Uh, Cody and Indiana, do you think the handling of

2141
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 2: the end of the half was a bit weird? Yes,

2142
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 2: eight seconds left, still had a timeout and they run

2143
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 2: a QB sneak. I guess to line up for a

2144
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,640
Speaker 2: fifty seven yard kick in the pouring rain. Why not

2145
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 2: a quick pass, pick up a few more yards, call

2146
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 2: the time out and give the rookie kicker a more

2147
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 2: makeable kick. Fifty seven yards in a downpour is tough,

2148
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 2: even if you're justin.

2149
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 6: Tucker exactly what Paul was sa.

2150
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: Agreement.

2151
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 6: Now, in fairness to the coaches, they're not expecting a

2152
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 6: two or three yard quarterback sneak in that situation. They're

2153
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 6: expecting ten or twelve yards. They're expecting to run untouched

2154
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 6: and then slide and then call time out. Yeah, now,

2155
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 6: didn't get it didn't work out that way, but yeah

2156
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 6: I would have. I don't like the quarterback sneak there,

2157
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 6: and people that have suggested they were too conservative in

2158
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 6: the game. They point to a play like that, to

2159
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 6: which I would say the play before that they threw

2160
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,799
Speaker 6: a bomb that they should have gotten pass in appearance

2161
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 6: called on. So I don't think they were they were conservative.

2162
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 6: I just thought that was a bad play call.

2163
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 7: The weird like second down sneaks that they've been doing

2164
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 7: that really needs to go, Like it's second like even

2165
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 7: outside of the two minute like they did it last

2166
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 7: week where it was like second and one.

2167
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 6: Of them on my pets, they did like three of

2168
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 6: them in that gaming.

2169
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 7: I don't I really don't think the first down is

2170
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 7: that valuable in that spot. Obviously, first downs are valuable

2171
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,560
Speaker 7: in general, but like, like in that spot, like I

2172
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 7: just don't really see how is that deconerated.

2173
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 8: Second and shortest, Like it's a cliche at this point.

2174
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 6: Well, here's a chance to take a shot. I mean,

2175
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 6: everybody knows they have this first.

2176
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: Down play that sets up second and one. It just wasted.

2177
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 1: It just you have your whole playbook open to you.

2178
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: Take advantage of that. You know, if you want to

2179
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 1: sneak on third down, if you have any completely go ahead.

2180
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,759
Speaker 1: Oh it just bothers me. Micah in South Dakota Parsons.

2181
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 2: I think considering the conditions and how that game turned out,

2182
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 2: I feel better about the offense. It looked like a

2183
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 2: monsoon on TV and that effected the passing game for

2184
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: both teams. I felt that when we ran power runs,

2185
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: especially the Trent Brown side, the offense looked good. Putting

2186
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 2: in some play action for Mac was good. I see

2187
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 2: the offense expanding and this week against Dallas will be

2188
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 2: a true test. Also Denver getting the breaks beat off

2189
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 2: of them could be good for New England. Let's trade

2190
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 2: for Jerry Judy and get this offense a true weapon.

2191
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 2: If that's what happens, this offense will become a force.

2192
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 2: How do you guys feel about the possibility of getting

2193
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy?

2194
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 7: Well, I do if you want to. The first part

2195
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 7: of that email is exactly what I wrote, and after

2196
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 7: further and like, if you want to have that optimistic view,

2197
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 7: there's evidence to have that optimistic view. I'm not going

2198
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 7: to sit here and tell you that, Like, don't as

2199
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 7: a fan, like don't be optimistic about your football team

2200
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 7: because there are things that they are doing better. There

2201
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 7: are things that there are like you know, moments where

2202
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 7: you say, oh if this in week fourteen, like this

2203
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 7: might hit where it's not in week three because they're

2204
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 7: still trying to figure things out. It's possible, Like it's

2205
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 7: possible that that could all happen. Do I believe it will?

2206
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 7: I mean that I don't know. I haven't seen it

2207
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 7: for three years, so it's kind of hard to say.

2208
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 7: I believe it will, but like it might.

2209
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 8: Do you think at the end of the season that

2210
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 8: we're going to stack up twenty twenty two and twenty

2211
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 8: twenty three and say the offense was unequivocally better this

2212
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 8: year than it was across the board? Or do you

2213
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 8: think that it's going to be very close between what

2214
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 8: this offense isn't.

2215
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:47,560
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be better. I don't know

2216
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 6: about unequivocally, but I think you'll look back and you'll

2217
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 6: say it's better. And it won't just be because I

2218
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 6: said so because of a progression. Is I think they will?

2219
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 6: I think they will get better, But now I do

2220
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 6: because the email touched on something that I've seen, a

2221
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 6: prevailing thought about the weather and you know, wait till

2222
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 6: this week. How'd you feel about the Patriots defense on Sunday? Great?

2223
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:10,759
Speaker 6: Did you guys play? Did they play pretty well on defense. Sunday,

2224
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 6: there's nothing you know, you don't don't give the Jets

2225
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,560
Speaker 6: a pass because it was bad weather. Ea, if it

2226
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 6: wasn't rain exactly, I mean, if it wasn't raining, Like

2227
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 6: look at all the plays they missed because like they

2228
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 6: couldn't try deep balls because it was pouring out. Like

2229
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 6: I would never suggest that. I think the Patriots dominated

2230
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 6: the bag out of the Jets offense. I mean, I

2231
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 6: don't think the weather had anything to do with how

2232
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 6: good the Patriots defense play.

2233
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Two really good runners and the Patriots handled them.

2234
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, just like they handled you because they have

2235
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 6: a good defense. The weather wasn't the reason why the

2236
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 6: Patriots didn't score.

2237
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 2: The Jets defense was Christopher the tia n just to

2238
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 2: win against the Jets, nothing more. Through three weeks, I

2239
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,799
Speaker 2: actually feel pretty good about the defense, especially after Miami

2240
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 2: hung seventy on Denver and Philly.

2241
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 6: You should feel good about that.

2242
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 2: And almost for you and almost five hundred yards of

2243
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 2: offense against the Bucks. However, the offense continues to scare

2244
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 2: the hell out of me. Two guys, in particular, Juju,

2245
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 2: who we all were told was an upgrade, is out

2246
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 2: there running around on one leg looking lost. Then there's Mandre.

2247
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,799
Speaker 2: What's up with this guy? He just looks off injured.

2248
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 2: How does Zeke get more yards against the Jet Steve

2249
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 2: than him?

2250
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 6: All Right, I don't know those are those are the

2251
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 6: big questions. I think you know that I don't know

2252
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 6: the answer to the Stevenson one. Those two guys.

2253
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 8: I mean, who are the guys you know if it

2254
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 8: does if it does progress, like you know, the optimistic

2255
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 8: point of view, you know, who are the guys that

2256
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 8: lead the way?

2257
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 10: Is it? You know?

2258
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 8: This is another question that's kicking around my brain. It's like,

2259
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 8: what is Juju gonna look like at the end of

2260
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 8: the season. Are we going to be saying like, Wow,

2261
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 8: he found it or he's gonna get cut this offseason.

2262
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 6: My guess is you're gonna see him get phased out

2263
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 6: in the middle of the year. As to Mario, Douglas

2264
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 6: gets a bigger role. But that mean that might be

2265
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 6: wishful thinking.

2266
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 7: That's where I'm out. Yeah, I think there are obviously

2267
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 7: every single game with to Mario, there are a million

2268
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 7: things that he does wrong. Like I'm just gonna be

2269
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 7: honest about that. But I think at this point they

2270
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 7: have to live with the growing pains with a young player,

2271
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 7: because he's.

2272
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 6: The best you got.

2273
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 7: He's the most explosive, explosive weapon that you have. I

2274
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 7: think him born and Kasiki Gasiki runs good routes, and

2275
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 7: I think that in the passing game they need to

2276
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 7: target him a little bit.

2277
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 6: But I think he's like, yeah, I was gonna ask

2278
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 6: you that, because he's been really a non factor. Yeah,

2279
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 6: it makes like one catch a game and there, yeah,

2280
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 6: there he is again.

2281
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 7: He runs some really dynamic routes, like you know, wide

2282
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 7: receiver level routes, but he does it at like six six,

2283
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 7: you know whatever, two forty five or whatever he is.

2284
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 7: I would definitely feed him, and I'm not gonna do

2285
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 7: it again to myself, but I'll say it like Taekwon

2286
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 7: in Taekwon, Like even just having somebody that stretches the

2287
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 7: field vertically as a as a decoy, I think will

2288
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 7: help the underneath stuff a little bit. And if he

2289
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 7: can get by the defense, you know, once a game,

2290
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,839
Speaker 7: then obviously all the better. But like, I'm not expecting

2291
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 7: Taekwon to be any sort of high volume receiver, but

2292
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 7: if they can at least get him to hold the

2293
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:05,600
Speaker 7: safeties off for an extra split second or something like that.

2294
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 7: Then maybe some of these throws that they are hitting

2295
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 7: at the intermediate level can have some yak because it's

2296
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 7: not like the they're completing the pass and then there's

2297
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 7: like three guys converging on Hunter Henry. So I'm not

2298
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 7: ready to like put it all on Taekwon and believe

2299
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 7: in Taekwon again because it will burn me, I guarantee it.

2300
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 7: But like even if he's just out there running wind sprints, like,

2301
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 7: I think it's better than what they have right now.

2302
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 6: Thornton, here's a who grab grab h Judy And I

2303
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 6: think right now, like the most reliable thing that you

2304
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 6: can count on the passing game was Hunter Henry, and

2305
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 6: that can't be the most dynamic thing you have on offense,

2306
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 6: Like you have to if it's not going to be

2307
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 6: somebody else, you know, if it's not going to be

2308
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 6: Thornton when he comes back, what does it look like?

2309
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 8: You got to go out and get some with Thornton,

2310
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 8: Born and Douglas. You know, what does that look like?

2311
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 7: One of their fastest groups that running him, you know, Thornton, Boorn,

2312
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 7: Douglas KASICKI.

2313
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 6: Can snock keep Paul daymon, Please, what does that look

2314
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,639
Speaker 6: like Born and Douglas running into each other and Thornton

2315
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 6: getting hurt.

2316
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 10: Damn it.

2317
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 6: At least you have some people that are fast, like

2318
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 6: at least speed I have. I just think it's probably

2319
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 6: the three least reliable things they have as well.

2320
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 7: It's in the past, and that's how they're gonna look

2321
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:25,640
Speaker 7: at it, and that's why DeVante, Parker, and ju are

2322
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 7: going to be.

2323
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 6: That's why they use Parker and Henry because those guys

2324
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 6: they know where they're gonna be. Now, I'm not telling

2325
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 6: you that you're gonna win anything with that, because you're

2326
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 6: probably not.

2327
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 1: Raj and Saint Louis.

2328
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 2: The win on Sunday was what it was, but I

2329
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 2: did enjoy how Pepper's bounced back after rough game on

2330
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:43,719
Speaker 2: Sunday night, so shout out to him. My main question

2331
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 2: is is the quality of football just flat out bad

2332
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 2: this year? Or am I just overly critical of each team?

2333
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 2: I try to watch at least some of each team

2334
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,560
Speaker 2: every week, but outside of Miami and San Francisco, I

2335
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 2: don't feel overly impressed with any team, and the play

2336
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 2: seems more messy than previous years. Is it lack of

2337
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 2: practice time, a talent rout, bad coaches, or some other factor.

2338
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 2: I remember Eate been saying something similar about a year ago.

2339
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 2: So maybe that's clouding my judge.

2340
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:11,560
Speaker 11: I think we do it every year, yea, yeah, And

2341
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 11: I feel like there's a lot of injuries right now,

2342
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 11: Like I mean, I don't know what's going with Burrow

2343
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 11: and his calf. The Ravens are battling a whole bunch

2344
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 11: of things over there. It's like, obviously Digs is out

2345
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 11: this week. Who knows what's happening with you know, Saints

2346
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 11: quarterback right now, we might see Jameis Winston.

2347
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 7: Just a lot of talk about malpractice running Joe Burrow.

2348
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 7: You're two hundred and seventy five million dollar man out there.

2349
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 6: On one calf on a bad leg.

2350
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 7: In Week three.

2351
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 6: They got away with a season because he didn't really

2352
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 6: look like he was under much pressure in the game,

2353
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 6: didn't have to move too much.

2354
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 7: If I was a Bengals fan, I'd be going nuts

2355
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 7: set there putting him out there.

2356
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 6: If the game's over, I mean, the season's over. If

2357
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 6: you lose that game. Now you can't follow over three.

2358
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 1: Tough decision phones are lighting up.

2359
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 6: That's tough.

2360
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something we said CJ in

2361
01:44:58,720 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 1: case on the line with.

2362
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 4: Up, Hey, what's up, guys?

2363
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 25: I wanted to last last week, I called in and

2364
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 25: I was like, is there anything that we can learn

2365
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 25: from this game? And you guys kind of talked you

2366
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 25: through how, yeah, they play well and things like that.

2367
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 25: But I feel like we didn't learn anything from this

2368
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 25: past game. And I know that Tuesdays usually a reflection

2369
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 25: to what the past week's game.

2370
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 14: Is, but I just want to focus on Dallas.

2371
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 25: Is there is there anything that you guys think that

2372
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 25: you know, we can take away and feel confident with

2373
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 25: going into this week's game in Dallas and see if

2374
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 25: is there anything that momentum wise that you guys see

2375
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 25: that we can bring into this weekend.

2376
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: Well, I mean a lot.

2377
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of people say it's a bad

2378
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 2: spot for the Patriots because Dallas had a bad loss

2379
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 2: and now they're going to be refocused.

2380
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 6: That maybe it's a great spot.

2381
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a good spot for the Patriots.

2382
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 6: Not good great. I think they're going to have a

2383
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 6: hard time winning the game. I'm like, I'm not trying

2384
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 6: to tell you the Patriots should win it, but I

2385
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 6: think this is Dallas's m O. They're always super hyped.

2386
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 6: They lose games they shouldn't lose, and when they do,

2387
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 6: the wheels come off. They also play San Francisco in

2388
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 6: Week five, which they think they're better than the Patriots.

2389
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 6: So I wouldn't a trap game. I wouldn't dismiss those guys.

2390
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 6: Just say that wasn't us last week. We got San

2391
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 6: Francisco next week, we got to get ready. Like, I

2392
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 6: think it's a really good spot. But to be positive

2393
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 6: about they've played three games and the Dallas offense has

2394
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 6: really done very little. In the three games. They've been

2395
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 6: very average offensively. Defensively is a different story, but offensively,

2396
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 6: I don't think they look like they're all that high power.

2397
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 7: They're running a high school offense. It is like, we'll

2398
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 7: get more into this. I thought i'd put that on

2399
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 7: the tape for you, Oh God, because I love Dak

2400
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 7: like I really, I really love Dak and watching him

2401
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 7: get neutered by Mike McCarthy is killing me.

2402
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 6: Like it's killing me. Can you imagine a guy intentionally

2403
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 6: in this day and age, I want to get back

2404
01:46:57,920 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 6: to the run.

2405
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 7: So he is running high school offense. They are no

2406
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:04,679
Speaker 7: team in the league runs more under center than Dallas.

2407
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 7: And I say the patriotsold run under center because they

2408
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 7: don't have Dak Prescott as their quarterback, right, so they

2409
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 7: nobody runs more under center plays than Dallas. They run

2410
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 7: everything out of heavy formations. They run two man routes

2411
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 7: off of play action. It makes me it's like Bailey's

2412
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 7: appy last year. And then when they go to the

2413
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 7: shotgun they run quick game like half of his throwers

2414
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 7: are on like slants or curls or flat routes. It's

2415
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 7: like you have Ceedee Lamb, you have Dak Prescott and

2416
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 7: you're gonna throw five hundred slants a game. Like, I

2417
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 7: just I can't.

2418
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 6: I really don't fear this Cowboys offense all that much.

2419
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 6: I mean, based on the three games that I've watched,

2420
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 6: there's no reason to feel. Yeah, they haven't looked good

2421
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 6: offensively in any of the three games.

2422
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 7: The Cardinals played a ton of base defense. They played

2423
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 7: like thirty something snaps in base defense, and they still

2424
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 7: ran on them. Dallas as a good run game, but

2425
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 7: they that's their offense, Like they want to run the ball,

2426
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 7: and they do have a good run game, but if

2427
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 7: you can stop the run, and they just don't really

2428
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 7: have a dynamics game.

2429
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 6: In the last two weeks, they lived in the red

2430
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 6: zone and couldn't score touchdowns. So you have a really

2431
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 6: good running team, they can't score touchdowns in the red zone.

2432
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:07,759
Speaker 7: Sounds familiar.

2433
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would like to know on the defensive side

2434
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 8: of all, what they're thinking about with Parsons watching the

2435
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 8: Patriots offensive line struggles and you know where they're going

2436
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 8: to move him, where they're gonna put him, how they're

2437
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 8: gonna split those matchups.

2438
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 6: That's not that's not the part of the game plan

2439
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 6: that I was going optimistic.

2440
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 7: That's the scary Well do you think you can get

2441
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:29,440
Speaker 7: the you know, Parsons Now, maybe he re recalculate, recalculates

2442
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 7: after that game against Arizona, But Arizona got him cheating

2443
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 7: up the field a hull a ton, Like they ran

2444
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 7: at Micah Parsons in that game and they just invited

2445
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,679
Speaker 7: him up the field and he just blew right past

2446
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 7: the ball every single time. So if you can use

2447
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 7: his aggressiveness against him, I mean it's dangerous, right because

2448
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 7: if if you don't catch him, then he's gonna blow

2449
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 7: the play up in the.

2450
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 8: Back, Like how does he do that?

2451
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 7: But but if you can, uh, you know they are.

2452
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 7: They are a team that likes to get vertical on

2453
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 7: the defensive line. They want to get up the field,

2454
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 7: and if you can kind of catch them with the

2455
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 7: misdirection and invite that, then you can have some opportunities there.

2456
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 6: So shut down the run against CJ and then you know,

2457
01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 6: I think you're in another defensive battle.

2458
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,679
Speaker 25: I agree, Yep, that's kind of what I was thinking.

2459
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 25: Thanks guys, all.

2460
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 10: Right, thanks c J.

2461
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,679
Speaker 1: Uh, let's go to London. Henry's there, Hello, Henry.

2462
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 26: I'm not saying London, Frederick.

2463
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm in Lea, Leeds.

2464
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 26: Just just this, sorry, just to chime in. Cheshire is

2465
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 26: definitely post That was a little bit on the postgame show.

2466
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 1: Brilliant.

2467
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 26: My question though, I was just hoping someone could explain

2468
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 26: the difference to me between White and Dietrich Wise. To me,

2469
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:43,679
Speaker 26: this same similar players, but got a lot more upside

2470
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 26: and just from the eye test, I can't tell you

2471
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 26: the numbers what you just like more of the staff.

2472
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 6: I think they're very I think they are very similar players.

2473
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 6: I think White looks a little more athletic to me

2474
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:55,719
Speaker 6: than Wise, but I think.

2475
01:49:55,560 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: They're well longer, longer. Yeah, but I think he's a

2476
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 1: whole more powerful.

2477
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 6: And Wise has definitely played more You're right, You're right, Henry.

2478
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 7: I would say Whise Wise is like, you know, play

2479
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 7: strength in the way that they want play strength in

2480
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 7: terms of being stout against the run versus pushing the pocket.

2481
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:19,919
Speaker 7: I think Dietrich is a much more kind of stable

2482
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 7: player in that sense, and he's really really improved a

2483
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 7: ton and run defense from There was.

2484
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 6: A very underrated play in the game late where third

2485
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 6: and ten Wilson scrambled for a first down and Wise

2486
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 6: just absolutely bull rushed the guard and ended up getting

2487
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 6: a holding call when I think he got caught up

2488
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:40,880
Speaker 6: in the guy's legs.

2489
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, kind of like he grabbed, closed his legs on

2490
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 7: him and would Yeah. But his uh, Dietrich Wise has

2491
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 7: become a really solid two gapping end, And I just

2492
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 7: don't really think that they look at Kean White as

2493
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 7: like a true edge guy, right, whereas Dietrich is more

2494
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 7: of like that three four end.

2495
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 6: But I think we will see more of White, yeah,

2496
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,560
Speaker 6: with a quality to that. But I think you just

2497
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 6: made a good point there, Evan Is.

2498
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 8: I think I was kind of thinking that White would

2499
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 8: be more of a handdown more likewise, But I think

2500
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 8: he's more than that. He's, like you said, he's they've

2501
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 8: been standing up a little bit more. I mean, I

2502
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 8: think he's do both kind of a guy, and that's

2503
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 8: why he's.

2504
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:19,679
Speaker 7: Intrigued Kean White playing with his hand in the dirt

2505
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 7: on like third down. Yeah, like gem in.

2506
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 8: The lays out, you know, like let's play with him

2507
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 8: a little bit, maybe shuffle some things around a little bit.

2508
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 1: Danny's in Daytona. What's up, Danny?

2509
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 10: And go on, guys.

2510
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:36,839
Speaker 23: I just have a couple of things to say. Primarily,

2511
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 23: the first thing I'm going to go with is, uh,

2512
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 23: what you guys talked about earlier, is trading for for

2513
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 23: Keenan Allen, the receiver from the Chargers. You report that

2514
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 23: I'm talking about that that's not happen just because the

2515
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 23: Patriots are so desperate right now.

2516
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 6: How we're you know, just the offense overall was like

2517
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 6: the Chargers offense, they're not trading him.

2518
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 11: They was.

2519
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 23: There was a report that was pushed out that Mike

2520
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 23: Williams heard.

2521
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 6: Now yeah, right, yeah, that's that lessens the chances of

2522
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 6: trading k.

2523
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 7: I would see that great career for Keenan Allen, but I.

2524
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 6: I eighteen fifteen does nothing for you. I just moving

2525
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 6: a little bit.

2526
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 7: In the wrong direction and in the age and the

2527
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 7: wear and tear.

2528
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:21,879
Speaker 6: That's right right in Bill's wheelhouse.

2529
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 8: He was my Aaron Dobson wish what could a guy

2530
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:26,280
Speaker 8: so that?

2531
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 23: And then back to the offensive line. I I like

2532
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 23: what they did finally putting Ley at right jack, because

2533
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 23: last week that was horrendous watching Calvin Anderson. I mean

2534
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,720
Speaker 23: the first week I was I was shocked that they

2535
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,639
Speaker 23: would even put him out there to start against Eagles.

2536
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 23: Then the second week, Calvin Anderson just looked absolutely just terrible.

2537
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:50,560
Speaker 23: I was just wondering, what are the Patriots, like, what

2538
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 23: did Adrian Clem and Bill O'Brien doing out there? And

2539
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 23: then they made that change up and Trent Brown comes back.

2540
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,679
Speaker 23: I don't really like Cole Strands that left guard.

2541
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,639
Speaker 14: I I just I'm I want to say.

2542
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:04,720
Speaker 23: I don't know who said earlier, someone said Mafi didn't

2543
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 23: look good, but I think personally Mafi does. Mafi does

2544
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 23: look a little bit better than Strande, at least playing

2545
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 23: left guard. But I do think they need to get

2546
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 23: somebody like they had with Joe Suni back in there,

2547
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 23: so next.

2548
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 24: Year they have to.

2549
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 23: They have to have to go out and get tackles.

2550
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 23: They got guards, We're good on guards. I think they

2551
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 23: need to just focus.

2552
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 1: On You just said that you don't like the line.

2553
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:30,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, logically playing musical chairs at guard, but

2554
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 6: we're all said at guard.

2555
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2556
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 7: I guess maybe I've been like, you know, harsh on

2557
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 7: Antonio Maffiy, probably because he's a rookie. People you know,

2558
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 7: grade him on a different scale in their brains. But

2559
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 7: I haven't really seen it as much as everybody else

2560
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 7: has with him. But I'm not saying, you know, that

2561
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 7: doesn't have an NFL future or anything like that, but

2562
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 7: just in terms of being like this immediate upgrade over

2563
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 7: Cold Strange, I don't know if I necessarily see that.

2564
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 8: I don't know if I necessarily do, but I will

2565
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 8: just say, you know, watching them, you know, as they

2566
01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 8: played both in the game, it's just it's hard to

2567
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 8: see Cole Strange where he just looks small and he

2568
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,720
Speaker 8: gets pushed around, and you know, Mafi can't really move

2569
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 8: all that well. But at least he's got size and

2570
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 8: and and he's got like a fackness.

2571
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 6: He definitely looks the part. But I don't watch enough

2572
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:12,559
Speaker 6: to tell you just.

2573
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 7: He his he can't move side to side, so like

2574
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 7: he when when guys cross his face, or you know,

2575
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 7: he gets into that one on one pass rush where

2576
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 7: he's dancing with the pass rusher like his edges. Yeah,

2577
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 7: and and that that's that's tough.

2578
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 8: I just feel like, though, you know, some of that

2579
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:31,719
Speaker 8: I think can be taught. I mean, certainly some movement

2580
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 8: skills cannot be taught. But it's like you know, with

2581
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 8: Coal Strange, it's it's it's just he doesn't look like

2582
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 8: he can handle these power rushers, and it just seems

2583
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 8: so obvious. And at what point is his technique going

2584
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 8: to catch up where it's like he's so flawless on

2585
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 8: his technique that he's able to defeat these bigger guys.

2586
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 8: And that's what I've been kind of waiting to happen.

2587
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: But it's just not.

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01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 6: He's getting bull rushed every time.

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01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 7: They took Tony three years to develop an anchor right

2590
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 7: and be able to drop anchor because Tuny had a

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01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 7: lot of issues early on with power as well, because

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01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 7: he played tackle in college and then moved inside and

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01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 7: he was a slimmer tackle and more athletic guy, and

2594
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:08,240
Speaker 7: he had issues same as Cole Strange, and it took

2595
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 7: till year three really for him to to figure it out.

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01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 7: From that perspective, so maybe there's still time for cold Strange.

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01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 7: But that matchup against Quentin Williams is brutal, and I.

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01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 6: To wonder how healthy he is.

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01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, in that fairness, And that's what I

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01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 8: was just going to say too, is that I think

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01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 8: with all the offensive line, like Calvin Anderson, you want

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01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 8: to kill him, Like we don't even know what he

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01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 8: was sick with, Like you know, he missed all of camp,

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01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 8: so yeah, you know, I like, look, the season has started,

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01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 8: they need to play well. Excuses are done. But I

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01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 8: do think week three you're still kind of acknowledging guys

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01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 8: who didn't practice.

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01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 2: That's him rights in our friend from Duncan. First things first,

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01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:43,920
Speaker 2: it was a good win. Any divisional win on the

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01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 2: road is a good win. As I hear you talk

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01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 2: about Zach Wilson, I keep thinking that he is at

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01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 2: his worst against the Patriots. Do you think he will

2613
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 2: be that bad for the rest of the year.

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01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he was that bad. He was

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01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 6: that bad in the previous two games.

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01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 2: Now, he is not a great quarterback, but I do

2618
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 2: think that he struggles Morgan the Patriots and against other teams,

2619
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,120
Speaker 2: they were able to beat the Bills with him at quarterback.

2620
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 2: I know Josh Allen turned the ball over several times,

2621
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 2: but they still want.

2622
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:11,240
Speaker 6: But not because of him, because of a punt return.

2623
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 2: By the way, my Patriots unfiltered T shirt came in

2624
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 2: thank you. I wear it proudly and happily explained the

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01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,480
Speaker 2: show to the few people who don't already know about it.

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01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 1: That's right, very few people.

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01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, Zach Wilson is a disaster everybody.

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01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I would say, though, I think the

2629
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 8: Patriots specifically a team that's willing to spin the dial

2630
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 8: post snap and really and really amp up the confusion.

2631
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 6: I think that probably doesn't. I'm not telling you they

2632
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 6: don't confuse him more than other teams do. I'm telling

2633
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 6: you every other team has the same success rate against

2634
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,040
Speaker 6: him like they do not. Even the games that he

2635
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 6: has won, they don't score in like Monday night against Buffalo,

2636
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 6: he didn't score any point. He had one touchdown drive

2637
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 6: just like against you and the touchdown of that night,

2638
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 6: my God, was an incredible catch by Garrett Wilson terrible throw,

2639
01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 6: like he can't play.

2640
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 4: I think that was definitely Josh Allen Gift.

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01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 6: By the way, that's my second check. Remember I told

2642
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 6: you they ruined another one. Those are the two things

2643
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 6: I predicted in the post game show. The Denver given

2644
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 6: up seventy and the Patriots ruined another quarterback in franchise.

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01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:17,280
Speaker 7: Would be nice if you know the Patriots had a

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01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 7: player that can make that Garret Wilson catch.

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01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:23,080
Speaker 8: Wow, he spins it like in a different place, dark

2648
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 8: place Evan on Tuesdays is it's dark dark.

2649
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 4: Because he said he was going to do better today.

2650
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 6: I did say I was gonna be more positive.

2651
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 7: Didn't work.

2652
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 6: I actually get that.

2653
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:35,480
Speaker 8: I need, like emo Evan to come in on some

2654
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 8: dressed Sorry, I'm.

2655
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 6: Not down on the wind, I'm not like.

2656
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: I think what triggered him is when I said that

2657
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 1: they passed blocked pretty well.

2658
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 10: I did that.

2659
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 6: I didn't kind of wrong trigger, you know, but for

2660
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 6: doing a little A pressures that's a lot today was that.

2661
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 4: We spent the first twenty minutes not talking about football.

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01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 7: Yes, that trigger.

2663
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 6: I was trying to buffer it for him.

2664
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 7: I was ready too early, but I was ready.

2665
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 6: I was ready to be ready to everybody.

2666
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 7: I was ready to have a better Tuesday that I

2667
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,080
Speaker 7: just you know, looked in the mirror and said I

2668
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 7: didn't like it.

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01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 1: And if I was close to you, I'd give you

2670
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 1: one Harmella nuttat.

2671
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:16,040
Speaker 7: Oh wow, all right, really mad about the past.

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01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 1: That's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:22,520
Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow at noon with more, and then

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01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 2: the playbook with John Rook follows us tomorrow.

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01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:25,520
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01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:32,040
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