1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 2: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: and back again our good buddy Tom to Let's go 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: longtime general manager of the National Football League, Tom. We 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: want to jump into some big games here. We've got 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: some big games coming up this weekend. And it's that 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: type of that type of of the season right now, 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: or that time of the season where you get to 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: week five, where was your marker where you kind of 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: felt like you knew what you had from a team 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: standpoint right now? 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: I used to use four games. 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: It's kind of the marker I really I wouldn't look 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: at any stats, any any data until after week four. 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: I just felt like you had a pretty good sample 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: size at that point. Certainly have a better feel on 17 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: your injury situation right now a month and I just 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: felt like, as far as the strengths and weaknesses of 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: your roster, it's really you got October first. I'm starting 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: to really see where we're at, which is kind of 21 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: perfect the way it lined up. You know, you get 22 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: the trade deadline at the at the end of October, 23 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: but this was an important time right now because I 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: think you had your best feel certainly much better now 25 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: than he did on You know, coming out of training camp, did. 26 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 2: You ever have any like, oh my gosh, I miss 27 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: I misread this like you thought maybe it was going 28 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: to be poor in one area and you were great 29 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: in that area, or vice versa, where it's just you're 30 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: a quarter of the way in. You're like, oh my gosh, 31 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: this is not the team that I thought I had. 32 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: Good or bad. 33 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it happens. 34 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: I mean, every player doesn't perform to the level that 35 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: you think, and it could go either way. 36 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: My first year at the Chargers, our receiver group I. 37 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Thought was going to be outstanding, and we have a 38 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: couple of injuries, we have one player not play as 39 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: well as as we thought, and now we're really struggling. 40 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: And you know, thank god we had Keenan Allen to 41 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: jump in there as a rookie, and you know he 42 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: kind of took it away from there. But yeah, you know, 43 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: when you when you get a sense in training camp 44 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 1: where you are, you get a sense where your adepth 45 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: is in certain positions. 46 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: But every year there'd be. 47 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: Something, you know, you come into uh September, maybe a 48 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: player you claimed at the cut to fifty three and 49 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: they jump into a role and you're pleasantly surprised. We 50 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: had claimed a lot to a defensive tackle last year 51 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: from the Colts and or Lalu from the Colts, and 52 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, we brought him in more as a developmental player. 53 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: We were a little thin on the defensive line, and 54 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: then he came in and earned a role, and he's 55 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: playing a lot for us through the year, and he 56 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: kind of feeled the need for us that we didn't 57 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: anticipate being able to field during the season. So yeah, 58 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: every now and then you get like a pleasant surprise, you. 59 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: Know, Tom, So many people that listen and watch the 60 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: show may not understand the constant evaluation and assessments that 61 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: you're doing on players. Can you talked a little bit 62 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: about like an in in season evaluation of your team 63 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: and how you're always looking to find better parts, particularly 64 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: the bottom third of the roster. 65 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're always just working on depth because nobody has 66 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: a perfect roster. I used to have our depth chart 67 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: on a magnetic board in front of me and I 68 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: would stare at that. 69 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much throughout the day you're just. 70 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: Staring at it, and all you see is where we 71 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: need help. Where we need help, You're anticipating, Look if 72 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: this player goes down, do we have enough to fill 73 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: it right now? Do we have enough on our practice squads? 74 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: So you're constantly working through that. 75 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: But it's not just a GM. 76 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: You you have a pro scouting staff that's also doing 77 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: that on a daily basis, seven days a week. And 78 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: then one of the things like as a general manager, 79 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: I stayed in house during the week, So there's different 80 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: trains of thoughts. Some gems go out on the road 81 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: scouting during the week. I stayed in house. And I 82 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: like to have a lot of just off the cuff 83 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: conversation with our position coaches on what they're seeing, Who 84 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: do they think feel is developing, who they feel is not. 85 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: I give some give and take and some opinion on 86 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: some different players, and just you have a pulse of 87 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: the team throughout the year to kind of anticipate where 88 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: you need to go before you have that emergency situation. 89 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: Were there ever conversations there with coaches where they weren't 90 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: quite as receptive to feedback. They can get a little 91 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: bit territorial, is what I'm getting at. But it has 92 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: to be a give and take because I'm not the 93 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: know all. I don't have all the answers either, so 94 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: I was always lucky. 95 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there weren't very many coaches that that that 96 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: weren't but there were where they were great just give 97 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: and take conversations because I may see something that they 98 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: don't see, and they may see something that I'm not seeing. 99 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: So you have those conversations. 100 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: That's why you know, scouting is it's objective and subjective 101 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: and you have to kind of put it all together. 102 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's certain times like coaches are very narrow 103 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: focused during. 104 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: The season, which they have to be and they should be. 105 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: GM has to be a little bit more big picture 106 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: to look you know, down the road for no only 107 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: this season, but future seasons. 108 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: But those are great conversations to have, Tom do. 109 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: You sometimes have to got veteran players the clear path 110 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 4: for younger player to get on the field, because you know, 111 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 4: if you have the veteran in the building, the coaches 112 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: are always going to play the old again, like the 113 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 4: old Woolby. 114 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: It's like the would be blanket. 115 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the security blanket as long as that veteran is 116 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: is declining in production. I mean, what you don't want 117 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: to do is just you know, if a guy's giving 118 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: me a really good you know, there's some spots for 119 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: a security vet veteran. There there are some spots, just 120 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: not too many, and you have to figure out where 121 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: they are because you know, having an old football, old 122 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: football teams get hurt and old football teams will fade 123 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: usually as you get to do November and December. So 124 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: you got to find the right spots. But yeah, there 125 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: are certain situations. But usually I would make those decisions, 126 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, in the spring and summer. I don't make 127 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: those decisions during the Once the season starts, we're not 128 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: going to cut a veteran for a young guy. But 129 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: you have to foreshadow those early to make sure you 130 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: set up the roster the right way. 131 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: Let's jump into these games. Let's jump into the first 132 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: one here. It's going to take place in London, will 133 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: be early in the morning on Sunday, Vikings Browns, which 134 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: is going to give us a look at Dylan Gabriel 135 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: in his first start. I did see that note that 136 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: it's like the last I think it's the last six 137 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: Oklahoma quarterbacks I think are starting, and that's all. 138 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: They were all there. 139 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: I believe under Lincoln Riley going back. They're all six 140 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: starting this week that is in thesane, the number of 141 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that they've produced there. But Dylan Gabriel, what's the 142 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: what's your expectation there and what do you think are 143 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: the best operating constructions for him in his first crack 144 00:05:59,160 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: at it? 145 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first I do like Dylan Gabriel. I 146 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: just have some concern, like the whole offense has to 147 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: step up no matter who the quarterback is, whether it's 148 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco or Dylan Gabriel, they need more around him 149 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: right now. And they like both offensive tackle spots, they're struggling. 150 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: They don't have a ton of weapons. Thank god, Jenkins 151 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: has now signed and in and he looks like he's 152 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: pretty good. And the tight end Fanning, and they've in 153 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: a great rookie class and you know Fanning gives them, 154 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, a pretty good outlet as a tight end. 155 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: But I think with Dylan Gabi, hopefully you're going to 156 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: see that the offense kind of pick up the pace 157 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. He's a quick decision maker, he's got 158 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: quick eyes. He actually has really good arm strength for 159 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: a smaller quarterback, which you don't see very often, but 160 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: he gets. 161 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: The ball out with a lot of pace. 162 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: Now playing the Vikings defense, I mean that is not 163 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: going to be easy and it may not look like 164 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: he's making quick decisions this week. It's his first start 165 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: against a really good team, so there's going to be 166 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: you know, some a growth factor there. But their offense, 167 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: they just haven't scored enough, so hopefully canet him a 168 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: little bit of spark at the ball out of Sandy. 169 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: He's a much more mobile than Flacco, so you know, 170 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: get some chunks of yards there, but you know it's 171 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: going to be a tough en verm. 172 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: And thus I didn't even realize. I mean, I realize 173 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: that now. 174 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: But the bikes have been over there for a week, 175 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: so to me, that's certainly an advantage that they had 176 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: a chance to really get acclimated, whereas the Browns are 177 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: just flying over I believe yesterday to get there today to. 178 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 4: Tell what was your philosophy on those those overseas trips. 179 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 4: Do you prefer going over early? Are you a a 180 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 4: let's fly, let's play it and let's get back. So 181 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: we did a lot of work on that. I think 182 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: we had Gus Bradley and our staff with our first 183 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: trip to England or to London, and you know he'd 184 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: done it every year with Jacksonville, and you know, there's 185 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: a philosophy that you go early, get acclimated, and then 186 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: the downside of that is is just sometimes there's too 187 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: much time over there and you just get a little 188 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 4: bit stale for whatever reason, you know, the food, whatever 189 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: it is. So what we end up doing, especially coming 190 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: from the West Coast, we had played the Browns the 191 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: week before we went over to London, and we played 192 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: the Browns and we stayed in Cleveland Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday 193 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: practice at bald and Wall's College actually, and then made 194 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: the trip over to London from there, got in there, 195 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: you know, Thursday. 196 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: I believe we. 197 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: Had to walk through a quick practice Friday and or no, 198 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: we had to walk through Friday, quick practice, Saturday and 199 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: played Sunday. I don't know if there's one perfect way. 200 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: It's really just a survive and advanced type trip. It 201 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: just is it's difficult to sloppy game for both teams. 202 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't know which best way to do. But I'd 203 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: rather just fly in, play the game and get out. 204 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just remember that game because that was 205 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: the Titans right, and that was where it came down 206 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: to money. And I were sitting up there, going, if 207 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: they don't go, if Rabel doesn't go for two and 208 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: this thing goes to overtime, we're not going to be 209 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: able to fly out that night. We have to stay 210 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: over another night. So I was very thankful. I was 211 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: very happy the Chargers won, as someone who's calling the 212 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: Chargers game, but I was willing to be okay with 213 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: it even if it went the other. 214 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: Way, because Rabel at least was getting us all on. 215 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: An airplane to go home that night, So we appreciated 216 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: that from Coach Rable, and the Chargers end up getting 217 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 2: a w. To me, I'm curious on Dylan Gabriel because 218 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: that was to me, I thought his superpower was everything 219 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: was quick, you know, quick mind, quick release, quick decisions, 220 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: get the ball out, And man, that's gonna be tough 221 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: with the way they kind of muddy the picture with 222 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: all the different bodies up around the line of scrimmage, 223 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: So gonna be a challenge there for him as he 224 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: gets rolling. But man, you talked about the draft for 225 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: the Browns swection, you're on the defensive side of the ball. 226 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 2: Mason Graham played well to go with those offensive guys 227 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: you referenced, like that is a phenomenal, phenomenal draft has been. 228 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: It's been really good. 229 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: I mean his quickness, his route running, he's got outstanding hands. 230 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you wonder how and this happens all of us, 231 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: Like you know, guys kind of fall in the draft. 232 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: You know we're not perfect at it. And you look 233 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: at him like he's a legit NFL starter from day one? 234 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: Can this be kind of that springboard draft for them? 235 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: Would stick on the Browns here for a second, just 236 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: because you know, you go back and look remember the 237 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: Saints draft where they got you know, Kamara and Ramchick 238 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 2: and all those guys in that one draft and it 239 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: was kind of like five starters that they ended up. 240 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: And we can go through a lot of those teams 241 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've been a part of them as well, 242 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: but can you kind of identify these teams and say, Okay, 243 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: this is the one that's going to kind of be 244 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: our platform for us to get going here. 245 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be, because you know, they haven't 246 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: had a lot of access that the last couple of 247 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: years because of the quarterback trades. So there's just now 248 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: starting to get you know, enough draft picks and enough 249 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: cap space. But between Mason Graham, Carson s Wessenger has 250 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: been out standing from day one in an offense, you know, 251 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: not only Judkins have fandom, but Dylan Sampson has run, 252 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: has run pretty well. 253 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: He's caught the ball. 254 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: While of the backfield, Isaiah Bond is really a college 255 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: free agent who's playing already. So that's like, you know, 256 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: five six players right there from this draft class, so 257 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: you can build on. 258 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: So how about Tampa? How about Tampa Seattle? 259 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: That's one I'm thinking I might be looking forward to 260 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: more than any of the game this weekend. 261 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: That's interesting. You know, the the Bucks are a good 262 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: football team. They're really well constructed. They're kind of holding 263 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: out on the offensive line and they I mean, it's 264 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: it's hard that like the Vikings have a ton of 265 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: injuries and on the offensive line, the Chargers have a 266 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: ton on the Bucks of that a lot with with 267 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: Kentucky and Cody Mack, but they're surviving it. And then 268 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: the defense has played outstanding, especially on third downs. So 269 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: and there's a fun team to watch play. It's fun 270 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: to watch Baker Mayfield play football, It really is. That's 271 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: when that's what I'm starting to realize being you know, 272 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: watching these games as a fan and not as a 273 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: GM where you're always focused on something else, and just 274 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: watching a player I can play with his enthusiasm, the. 275 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: High plays, the low plays. 276 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: It's just like a like appointment football, you. 277 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 4: Know, And thinking about that, like, what can we learn 278 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: from the Baker Mayfield experience. I feel like so many 279 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 4: of the quarterbacks that are having success, even his counterpart 280 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 4: Sam Donald, are having success later after he bounced around 281 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 4: and gain experience. 282 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: What can we learn from the evaluation process on young quarterbacks. 283 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: Well, sometimes it's right place, right time, and that happens 284 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: at every position, but certainly the quarterback position. It's just 285 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: got to be you know, maybe it just has to 286 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: be the right fit, the right coordinator, the right supporting costs, 287 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: and you never know where it's going to be. 288 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: So if you see town. 289 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: That's why we always used to go back to our 290 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: college report. Some players that may have failed in the league, 291 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: but hey, let's go back to what we saw in college. 292 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: We know what our eyes saw. You know, maybe in 293 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: a different environment the player will play a little bit different, 294 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: and we're seeing that with Daniel Jones with the Colts. 295 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: To me, he handled the whole process of being released 296 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: from the Giants, that whole whatever it was, four or 297 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: five month process as far as okay, how do I 298 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: get my career back on track the way Sam Donald 299 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: has or Baker Mayfield. And we tried to sign Daniel 300 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Jones last year to the Raiders, you know, because we're 301 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: trying to figure out our quarterback situation. He decided to 302 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: go to Minnesota, go in their practice squad, learn from 303 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, kind of take a reset, kind of do 304 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: a little football rehab, learn something different, and then find 305 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: a team to go to where I can compete for 306 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: a starting job that has good talent around us, around them. 307 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: And the Colts have that and he's you know, he's 308 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: taken off so far. 309 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: Is that going to change how some teams approach the 310 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: draft going for when it comes to the quarterback position, 311 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, if we love a guy, will 312 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: take him. But if we think this is a B 313 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: plus player that were you know, we're a little mixed 314 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: on why would you do that when they're every year 315 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: there's going to be a washout first round pick quarterback 316 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: who's still in his mid twenties, that you have none 317 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: of the risk and all the reward. 318 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 3: I don't know why you would. 319 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 2: Why would you force the college kid when we've now 320 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: seen time after time all these guys kind of make 321 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: things happen in their next stop. 322 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a great point. 323 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: And if it's like a B plus quarterback you're not 324 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: all in line with, maybe you take them down the 325 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: road third, fourth round, but they use a premium mass 326 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: set and a guy that you're not all one hundred 327 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: percent invested in. That's just that's a recipe for failure. 328 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: So I believe what you're saying. You know, look at 329 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: the veteran market. You may have to take a chance 330 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: on a guy that hasn't looked great. I mean, Daniel 331 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: Jones didn't look very good the last couple of years 332 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: with the Giants. 333 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 3: But he's big. He's bigger than you think. But he's big. 334 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: He's a great athlete, super smart, loves to prepare, has 335 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: good arm strength, is mobile. 336 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that work with there. 337 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: So you bring them in, you put him a different situation, 338 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: you let them hand the ball off to Jonathan Taylor 339 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: a little bit. You got Tyler Warren to throw two 340 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: down the middle. You got Michael Pittman and their offensive line, 341 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: which is not you know, big names, It's a really 342 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: good offensive line. They play really well together, certain solid, 343 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: and then Chane Stake and I love it's a play caller. 344 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: So it's just a perfect setup for a quarterback who's 345 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: rehabilitating his career. 346 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 3: Buck, can I make my pick real quick? 347 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: Because we always do this episode where we we draft 348 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: our reclamation projects once we get into the off season. 349 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm already staking my claim right now because 350 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: when I just listen to you, that's a high, high 351 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: first round pick, big athletic, smart, tough, big arm, And 352 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, Trey Lance. It is next next offseason. It 353 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: is Trey Lance season. He looked great in the preseason. 354 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: This year he's getting a chance to again just kind 355 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: of sit and take take a deep breath. There, little hardball, 356 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: sprinkle a little magic on him. I got his confidence 357 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: going like that to me, like going into next year's draft. Buck, 358 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: if I'm sitting there and I'm like I don't, I'm 359 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: trying to talk myself into Garrett Nusmeyer and I'm gonna 360 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: put my job on the line there, or I can 361 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: or I can just take Trey Lance is not going 362 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: to cost me that much money, and if it doesn't 363 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: work out, so be it. But I can get a 364 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: great player in the first round, and I've got him Tom. 365 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: What do you think, DJ, we just talked about this. 366 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: If you're Joe Hortiz, you don't let him out of 367 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: the building, right We just talked about you gotta have 368 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: invest team, and now you're just letting him walk out 369 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: of the building. 370 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: Well, we'll see what I think he's going to have suitors. Man. 371 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: I just think because the character, both the personal and 372 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: football character is so you. 373 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 3: Got a budget for it, then, yeah, you got a 374 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: budget for it. You can't. 375 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: They're too good a football team right now that justin 376 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: happens to get hurt, God forbid. Got to keep that 377 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: ship going. 378 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: The question is, if you're Trey Lance, do you sit 379 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: there and say, I mean I want to I want 380 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: to play right now, or do you sit there and say, 381 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm in a great position here, I'm still really really young. 382 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, Buck, that's going to be a decision 383 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: for him to make. I think maybe more so than 384 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: the team. 385 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, probably so but I would think if I'm free lance, 386 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: given the challenges that I faced early. Sometimes it's cool 387 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: to be in an environment where you want it and 388 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 4: you want to compete. But as like Tom talked about 389 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: with Daniel Jones, maybe you have a long term perspective 390 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: on what would be better. 391 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: For me long term as opposed to short term. 392 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: The money would be great to be a starter, but 393 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 4: it could be the last opportunity that he gets the 394 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 4: next one. Maybe you stick with the charges for a 395 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: minute and can team to develop and then it becomes 396 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: a better opportunity for you down the road. 397 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick pause here and we'll 398 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: jump right back in with Tom Telesco. All right, Tom, 399 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: let's get to another one here. Houston Baltimore surprising, obviously 400 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: very surprising with where Baltimore is, But I'm a little 401 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: surprised that Houston hasn't taken that big leap that I 402 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: think everybody was expecting after the playoff runt last year. 403 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, their defense is still really strong and 404 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: that's really what they're leaning on. 405 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: And like I'm a big CJ. 406 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: Stroud fan, I just don't think he's regressed overnight. 407 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: But you know, losing Joe Mixon hurts hurts a lot. 408 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: Even though he's an older back, he still had a 409 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: lot of He's still performing at a pretty high level. 410 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: The injury has its kind of mysterys. 411 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: He's been an N five not peup, so that's been 412 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: something he did on his own in the offseason. But 413 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, the issue there has just been the offensive line. 414 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they last year, they they replaced a lot 415 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: of inconsistent, declining. 416 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: Production offensive lineman. 417 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: But then they brought in a lot of inconsistent declining 418 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you know, so it's the same thing. So 419 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: they're not getting a lot of protection up front, they're 420 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: not running the ball that well. So the defense is 421 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: playing outstanding and CJ. Stroud, if you just give him 422 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: some time, he's gonna be fine. They got people a 423 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: throw to and what he Mark's got some run last week. 424 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: Liked him a lot in the draft. We see a 425 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: lot of him out here at USC. So, but yeah, 426 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: they're not where they need to be. But their division 427 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: isn't the strongest either, so I think in the end 428 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: they'll be back in the mix. 429 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 4: And tell I want to ask you because Dimico Ryan 430 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 4: did something that was interesting he's been renowned as a 431 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: defensive play caller. Last week he gave a play call 432 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 4: and duties because he felt like he wanted to better 433 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 4: manage the overall operation. What do you think about that 434 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: as a head coach, when you've been so good in 435 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 4: one area as you give it up in an effort 436 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 4: to try and take some of the problems that are 437 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: prevented the team from winning. 438 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it shows just a ton of confidence 439 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: and self awareness with the head coach because he got 440 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: the job because he's a great defensive coordinator. But the 441 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: head coaching job is completely different than than a coordinator job, 442 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: and there's a lot you have to manage. I mean, 443 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: Brian Callahan is seeing that in Tennessee right now. There 444 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: are just so many parts of the game you have 445 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: to manage as the head coach that it's hard. Also 446 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: being a play caller. You know Andy Reek can do it, 447 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: he's been doing it forever, and there's other coaches that 448 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: do it. But I think, you know, for a younger 449 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: head coach with a lot on your plate, you're gonna 450 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: have to trust your staff a little bit. 451 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: Even during the week. 452 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that you can't be 453 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: in every single defensive meeting, which you want to be 454 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: as a coordinator because there's a lot of stuff going 455 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: on you have to handle that are even non football related. 456 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: So I think it just showed a great amount of 457 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: maturity and self awareness that he and faith in his 458 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: staff that he could pass it over. Now, the defense 459 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: is still playing pretty well, I mean, not giving up 460 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: a ton of points, which is why they're staying into 461 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: these games. They haven't been great on third down, but 462 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: I think they'll improve. But I thought that was really 463 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: astute move by him. What point in time is there 464 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: from a Baltimore standpoint? And Lamar, you know, has to 465 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: practice for a couple of days this week. We'll see 466 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: what his health status is going to be. But I 467 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: know that division. 468 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: I know Pittsburgh's three and one, But it doesn't feel 469 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: like that Pittsburgh's just going to run away and hide 470 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: inside that division? 471 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: Is there? How do you go about maintaining you know, 472 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: some calm amidst a very urgent situation when you're sitting 473 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: there at one and three of your Baltimore. 474 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: Well, the good thing is you have John Harbaughs. He's 475 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: seen it all. He can kind of get things reset. 476 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: I mean, they may be missing ten starters on Sunday, 477 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: which is just that's hard to survive. And it's not 478 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: just role players you're talking about like impact players that 479 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: they're missing. And maybe this is the law averages because 480 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: last year they're one of the healthiest teams in the 481 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: league and this year so far, they're the complete opposite. 482 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: They're one of the most injured teams in the league. 483 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: But I just felt going into the year like they 484 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: had the strongest roster in the NFL. Again subjective, but 485 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: you look at it, I thought best roster in the NFL. 486 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 3: So now we're going to. 487 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: Really see, like do they have enough depth because I 488 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: thought they had some depth almost everywhere except for defensive line, 489 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: and that kind of showed up early. But you're gonna 490 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: have a lot of players have to step up in 491 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: their roles. They didn't anticipate this early, just to kind 492 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: of get them through because they're gonna get some players back. 493 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: The defense hasn't performed the way it has in the past. 494 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: That's going to have to get better. Offensively, they're scoring points. 495 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: I'd like to see a little more targets to the receivers, 496 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: just to spread the ball at a little bit more. 497 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: But look, they're scoring points. So John Harball always figures 498 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: it out. And it's so early in the year, you know, 499 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: I just I mean, you're always concerned. But I think 500 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: they got plenty of time to turn it around. 501 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: Man. It's such a fascinating team because it was one 502 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 4: of the teams that we've felt so good about in 503 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 4: terms of being a title contender. But yet here they 504 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: are kind of playing for their playoff loops about Denver 505 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: Philly last one. We'll hit hammer this one and then 506 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 4: we'll wrap it up here. But Denver Philly, Philly, I've 507 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: never seen anything like it. It cracks me up. That's 508 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 4: the Philadelphia sports fan for you. Four and oh and 509 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 4: it seems like nobody's happy, I know. 510 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: And they've beat good teams, so I mean, is it 511 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: always esthetically pleasing, Probably not. But they forced turnovers. You know, 512 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: the defense hasn't played great yet. I think they will, 513 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: but they forced turnovers on defense. They play good special teams. 514 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: When they get in the red zone, they score touchdowns 515 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: a lot high percentage of time. And it's not all 516 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: just because of the of the quarterback sneak, but they 517 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: scored a high percentage of the red zone, and they 518 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: keep people a lot of the end zone, they give 519 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: up field goal. So it's going to have to get 520 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: better and moving forward. But look, they're four and oh 521 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: and they beat four good teams, so it's hard to 522 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: complain a lot about it. 523 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 4: Okay, but to the point, you have a receiver, you 524 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: have a receiver on the perimeter who I can't tell 525 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 4: if he's complaining of that. We have cryptic, cryptic tweets, 526 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: we have some poudy faces, but we don't know. As 527 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 4: a general manager, how do you handle it? How do 528 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: you broach a conversation with Aj Brown? Like do you 529 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 4: have a conversation with him or do you just kind 530 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 4: of let it play in? Yeah, I probably would. 531 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: I probably say, hey, Aj, go look at the receivers 532 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: at Granada Hills and see if they're confining. 533 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 3: Over four passes at four games. That's right, right, So 534 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean I would. 535 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know things are different for different 536 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: players and you know, different eras, but the head coach's 537 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: office door is always open. Just go see your coach, 538 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: goese your position coach, go see the coordinator. I think 539 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: there's a reason to put, you know, a cryptic message 540 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: out there I mean, if you're upset, you're upset. If 541 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: you have a solution, you know, come in to see 542 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: your coaches and talk about it. 543 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: And I probably would have a. 544 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: Discussion with the player on that situation. I get where 545 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: he's coming from, and I would be frustrated too if 546 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: I were him. But I think it's just something that's 547 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: going to have to play out. And look, they have 548 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: they have a new coordinator and a new offensive coordinator, 549 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: and I know they're running a lot of the same system, 550 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: but it's just different. You know, it's a different personality, 551 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: it's a different way to game plan, it's a different 552 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: way to call the game. So the fact that it 553 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: didn't come right out of the gates the way you 554 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: want it the first month is that shouldn't be a 555 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: huge surprise. 556 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 2: But it's something you can work through during the season, 557 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: you know, something just hey, preach you a little patience. 558 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard this story, Tom, this 559 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: is a true story. By the way, there was a 560 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: fifth grader. There was a fifth grader that came up 561 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: to Bucky this is a year or two ago and said, 562 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: I want to learn football, and I just I'm I'm 563 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: passionate about it, and then someday one day after I 564 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: graduated from college, I'd love to be a football coach. 565 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: So is there any why I can just come to 566 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: practice and maybe just you know, carry the water, or 567 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: just can I just sit in on the meetings? 568 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: And Buck said, how'd you like to be our receivers coach? 569 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 3: And just jump right in. That's a job for me. 570 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: I'll drive up. I'll do that, just jump right in. 571 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: He just dances and starts it. 572 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: Do you send your receivers to the offensive line room? 573 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: That what you do? Because they're gonna block for I 574 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 3: mean four. 575 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 4: Quarters, there's a lot of there's a lot of board drills, a. 576 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 3: Lot of bag holding, a lot of bag boarding. 577 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 4: At the time on the slid, they get plenty of 578 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 4: water breaks because we're down doing the other stuff. 579 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: I'd be transferring. H I'm not wide receiver. At first, 580 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 3: I would just coaching. I'm doing I'm trying to run 581 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: them off. What do you want to cover me? 582 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 4: What am I. 583 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: Supposed to do? How about this? 584 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 4: You send me a young Keenan Allen and then look 585 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: at the stats and see what it looks like when 586 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: you goes up. Until then, who's doing what we're doing. 587 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 4: But if you got send them up my way, I'll just. 588 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 2: That is fantastic, all right, Uh, that's gonna do it 589 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: for us today, Tom giving us two great episodes. Man, 590 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 2: it was such a treat to catch up. I look 591 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: forward to getting back on the golf course. By the way, Buck, 592 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: we are on a golf journey together. There's a lot 593 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: of texts, there's a lot of videos, there's a lot 594 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: of text going for there's a lot of positive encouragement. Uh, 595 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: that's taking place, we both but we stink less. We're 596 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: trying yesterday and we're trying. There's a lot of care factor. 597 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 4: Okay, So then when y'all get together, is it two 598 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 4: buddies wanting each other to go well? 599 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 3: Or is there like a little competitive. 600 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: Be I can't speak for Tom, but I consider myself 601 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 2: a very competitive person there. I'm not good enough to 602 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: have any competitiveness in this sport. And I did one 603 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 2: hundred percent cheering on his success and I and he 604 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: cheers on my success. And we're just trying to suck 605 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: less than we did yesterday. That's all we're trying to do. 606 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: And two hundred shots later, we get back and we 607 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: discussed it again. 608 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: So yep. 609 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: We talk on the course book what we're going to 610 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: have for lunch, and then we finish our around and 611 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: figure ot we're gonna have for dinner. 612 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: All right, that's a long one. All right, this has 613 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: been fun. Tommy are the best, appreciate everybody ever me. 614 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the best man. And we'll see everybody next 615 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: time right here on movie sticks.