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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woof? And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to these solid verbal boys and girls.

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Speaker 1: My name is Ty Hildebrand.

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Speaker 3: As always, I fine gentlemen over there, the one, the

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Speaker 3: only is still the incomparable. Dan Rubinstein checking in from

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Speaker 3: the heart of the Midwest. We will have a very

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Speaker 3: special guest with us momentarily. Don't forget wherever you listen,

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Speaker 1: Dan Ruberstein, sir, good, sir, how goes it out there

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Speaker 1: in the heart of the Midwest?

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Speaker 2: Really well? Ty, it goes really well, really good. Whatever

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Speaker 2: it goes. I took a long walk today because I

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Speaker 2: had to drop a car off to get a tire

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Speaker 2: changed and felt the breeze. Felat tire. What was flat tire? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a deal there, tire shot. It's okay though, because

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Speaker 2: I was reintroduced to the act of walking for twenty

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Speaker 2: five minutes and it felt great. Ty, It was invigorating

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Speaker 2: and I'm ready to roll tie. It gave me something

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna welcome in our guest Sorr Washerman from The

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Speaker 3: Athletic with a very important question, kind of on the

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Speaker 3: heels of that ari. How many times in your life

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Speaker 3: have you changed the tire?

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Speaker 1: Zero? Yeah, zero, Dan, Pretty Dan knew the answer to

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Speaker 2: I've been I've contributed to a tire changing, but I

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Speaker 2: was not the soul changer, like I helped remove a

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Speaker 2: flat tire and jack up the car and change the time.

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Speaker 3: If you were on a deserted highway, do you think

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Speaker 2: If you believe if I were given like a tire

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've I've taken off.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, nuts bolts, whatever those are on a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like Indy five hundred pit crew style.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you just need to get it on there

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it weren't me like on the amazing race

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I would need that to feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: That's all. Ari Wasserman, how are you, my friend? It's

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Speaker 1: been a while, good sweating a little bit thinking about

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Speaker 1: But that is kind of what makes us sport great

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Speaker 3: The title of this episode is February Heat Check. February

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Speaker 3: heat Check, So we're still waiting for that off season

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Speaker 2: So what we're doing is we're going to take a

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Speaker 3: Who knows right? A lot can happen between now and then. Also,

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Speaker 1: Did I get that? I think I got that somewhere

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Speaker 2: The fanatic spelling, and I still the Danish judges were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Which of those two stories to you, R.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Chancellor of Tennessee came out and ripped

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Speaker 2: I mean speaking of BTUs coming out hot.

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Speaker 3: Time, I mean talk about firing the take canon quote instead,

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Speaker 3: two and a half years of vague and contradictory NCAA memos, emails,

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Speaker 3: and quote unquote guidance about name, image and likeness has

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Speaker 3: a lot more to come on that front. Dan, you're

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Speaker 3: What was your take upon hearing that Charrollmore was handed

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Speaker 3: But now that it's official, now that the portal window

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Speaker 2: It seems like the move obviously for continuity's sake when

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Speaker 2: And so it seemed like Searroan Moore did a good

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Speaker 1: Ari.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you this because you follow recruiting

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Speaker 3: a lot closer than Dan and I. One of the

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Speaker 3: things that comes up frequently whenever a very successful coach

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Speaker 3: National championship. The continuity we have, I think focused in

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Speaker 3: on that. With Sharon Moore now taking over in ann Arbor,

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Speaker 3: what in your mind is the risk for Michigan of

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Speaker 3: Dan's point from a couple episodes ago, he has sort

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Speaker 3: of been recruiting this roster like in his own way

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Speaker 3: since at least beginning of the season, because he has

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Speaker 1: And you mean that current players staying. In terms of

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Speaker 3: Players staying, recruiting new talent to kind of keep the

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Speaker 1: Should we get to the February heat check bt US?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you run warm, I run warm.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to do this. You can't play more than that.

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Speaker 3: As you look through what transpired this Bowl season, we've

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Speaker 1: Want to know. What is the BTU? What is the

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Speaker 2: did you know that bodies don't really decompose if they

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Speaker 2: Did you know that a peat bog like a bog

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Speaker 1: Watch was gonna say that I didn't know where we

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Speaker 1: Are we one hundred percent sure? Like, is it like

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Speaker 2: See, I'm all in on Miller Moss. I'm ready. I'm

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Speaker 2: It's kind of okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm just saying it now.

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Speaker 3: I'll say a seven point three out of ten on

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Speaker 1: We just made that up by then eighty two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think to your point, Ari, we always

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Speaker 3: I expected maybe that they'd be a little bit more

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Speaker 3: USC's got a lot of BTUs on it.

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Speaker 2: They get a kind of rebuilding Michigan team, right, Michigan

439
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Speaker 2: the road.

440
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Speaker 1: In their first Big Ten game ever.

441
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Speaker 2: It's on the road. It's a very difficult game. But

442
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Speaker 2: all things considered, like would you rather have got Michigan

443
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 2: the last two years or this year? Of course it's

444
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 2: this year, right, I'm just saying circumstantially, this USC schedule

445
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 2: isn't horrible.

446
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Speaker 1: Road games at Michigan. I think we have a neutral

447
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Speaker 1: psyche game against LSU, and I guess those could be

448
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Speaker 1: helmet games. To your point, they could be eight games,

449
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: but then you're also playing Wisconsin and Penn State at home,

450
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Speaker 1: you've got to travel to Washington. You've got what could

451
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: be a much better in a bro Washington's Will Rogers Washington. No,

452
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Speaker 1: I understand that, but I'm just saying these are typically

453
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Speaker 1: games that they struggle with in the Pac twelve area,

454
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Speaker 1: so like it's not like it's like they have the

455
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Speaker 1: entire Big Ten West for a six week period. Like

456
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Speaker 1: every two weeks they're playing against the team that they

457
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Speaker 1: could conceivably lose to. And all the things that you're

458
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Speaker 1: saying to neg the teams that we're talking about also

459
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Speaker 1: apply to the team we're discussing, of course, of course,

460
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Speaker 1: but I'm saying.

461
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Speaker 2: What I'm also saying is there's a lot of change

462
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Speaker 2: in a lot of these places, and USC weirdly has

463
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Speaker 2: continuity for the first time in a while.

464
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Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, that's all here. Here's one.

465
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be as flowery in my descriptionary,

466
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Speaker 3: but I'm just going to call out that Arizona forced

467
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Speaker 3: six turnovers of Oklahoma in the Holiday Bowl and one

468
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Speaker 3: by fourteen thirty Alamo twenty What did I say, Holiday Bowl?

469
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Speaker 1: Alamobile? Alamo?

470
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty eight twenty four was the final we had

471
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Speaker 3: all the stats from Noah Fafida and t Mac, which

472
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Speaker 3: I think we've come to expect at this point, but

473
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Speaker 3: the defense stepping up in the manner that it did

474
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Speaker 3: now new coach, It's not a Jedfish Arizona going into

475
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Speaker 3: the sixteen team Big twelve. But on the topic of schedules,

476
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Arizona's schedule in twenty twenty four, this

477
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Speaker 3: isn't This isn't a preview bias.

478
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Speaker 1: I hope meant like, that's a dream schedule. I was

479
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: like comparing it to USC But yes, your point was right.

480
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Speaker 3: This is not a preview episode. But the schedule is

481
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Speaker 3: very front loaded and extremely workable because first five weeks

482
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Speaker 3: of the year at Kansas State at Utah home against

483
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: Texas Tech. There are some other land mines a little

484
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 3: bit later on this season or a little bit later

485
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Speaker 3: on in the season, but all that being said, it

486
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Speaker 3: sets up pretty well for a team that hopefully retains

487
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Speaker 3: a fair amount of experience going into twenty twenty four.

488
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Speaker 3: And who the hell knows where this conference shakes out

489
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Speaker 3: with all of the change that it has to endure.

490
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Speaker 3: So heat check, Ari, how many BTUs are you at

491
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Speaker 3: on Arizona After the ball with the changes going into

492
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Speaker 3: a new conference, I.

493
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Speaker 1: Think it was like a seven and a half, probably

494
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Speaker 1: like in the midst of it, but probably now in

495
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: like a three or four going out of it. And

496
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Speaker 1: I think the reason why it's just national interest. I

497
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: don't know if people are as bought into that program

498
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: as maybe I was with my past. And let me

499
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Speaker 1: tell you, guys, I have my up in the clouds

500
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, in this job where I'm just

501
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: kind of focused on what I'm working on, and you know,

502
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: but to have like the group Chat experience where a

503
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: lot of my closest friends that I went to school

504
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: with there were complaining about it, and me getting a

505
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: front row seat to it. It was like the raw

506
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: nature of how those people were feeling when Jedfish left

507
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: was like a nice refreshing, you know, front row seat

508
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: for me of like, this really matters to people, even

509
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: if you think it doesn't. So the fact that they

510
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: were able to retain the two best players on their offense,

511
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: one of which is a quarterback who showed a lot

512
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: of youthful promise and t mac who I believe will

513
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Speaker 1: probably be a first round pick in the draft. You know,

514
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: it could have been a complete and utter dumpster fire

515
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: in the sense of everything that Jedfish built got torn

516
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: down in a one week period, and he did take

517
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Speaker 1: some things and they lost some players, but it wasn't

518
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Speaker 1: nearly as catastrophic as it could have been. And I

519
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: think that it is still possible that Arizona goes into

520
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Speaker 1: the offseason as one of the two or three favorites

521
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Speaker 1: to win the new Big twelve, and that schedule is

522
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: really really easy, and I think it kind of you know,

523
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm speaking your language here, Dan, but like for

524
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Speaker 1: PAC twelve fans who are so used to what the

525
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: Pac twelve used to look like, was kind of a bummer,

526
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Speaker 1: you know, they feel like, you know, they escape to

527
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Speaker 1: the Big twelve before the whole thing exploded. They thought

528
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Speaker 1: they were safe. Then you look at the schedule and

529
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: it's like there's no USC and there's no UCLA, there's

530
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: no Washington or Oregon. It really does kind of take

531
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Speaker 1: the flavor out of it a little bit if you're

532
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Speaker 1: accustomed to playing in the schedule that has those teams

533
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Speaker 1: on it.

534
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Speaker 2: If you're strictly going on a BTU scale of the

535
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: best and hottest quarterback receiver tandems in the country proven

536
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: quarterback receiver tandems in the country? Are there two better?

537
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: Is there one better? Like where right now? And like

538
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: you can look at a number of schools and say, like, oh,

539
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: that could be interesting, right DJU to Florida States guys,

540
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 2: or you know, Dylan Gabriel to Evan Stewart or whatever.

541
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Speaker 2: But when you look at like the proven nature of

542
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: no Fa Fiita and t Maac, like that's ten out

543
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Speaker 2: of ten together too, because what I'm saying, tandem BTU

544
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: heat from quarterback to receiver, I think is one of

545
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: the best three in the country, if not even better.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Okay, you ready for

547
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: my next b to you? Heat checked tie? Do you

548
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: have a number for Arizona?

549
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: I was one of the things I want to call out,

550
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: and I think it was your colleagues. Stu Mandel in

551
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: his way too early top twenty five are E had

552
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: Arizona as like a top fifteen team. I was like, WHOA, Okay,

553
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: USC not ranked Arizona up there, but you get it.

554
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Speaker 3: And provided they can retain some of the talent and

555
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: that doesn't change I guess there's some time.

556
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Speaker 1: What Jetfish did was actually bring players in there for

557
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: the first time ever. Yeah, like Arizona, it wasn't a

558
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: miracle job. They got top fifty players in recruiting who

559
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: came in and actually hit, and they were the types

560
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: of talents that Arizona just never had in the past.

561
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Speaker 1: And they're still there going into a weaker schedule with

562
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Speaker 1: a new coach that people have a lot of respect for.

563
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Speaker 1: So I think they could they could make some noise.

564
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Speaker 2: I think I'm like a five point seven. I don't

565
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Speaker 2: think the Big twelve has a lot of BTUs this.

566
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: No well, I like the talent that Arizona brings back.

567
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting situation going into a new conference,

568
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: and I think it's especially intriguing that in a school

569
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: in Arizona that, for let's be honest a while, was

570
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: kind of a doormat now has built up with a

571
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 3: coach that has since left, goes into a new conference

572
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: and suddenly is one of maybe three favorites. That's interesting,

573
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: if nothing more preseason again, not a previous show, but

574
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Speaker 3: that's pretty damn interesting to me. So I'll go five.

575
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: Seasons and they could make the playoff, right think not

576
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: just saying that sentence is exciting.

577
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, My next one is, well, in

578
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: just looking at this one, I learned that bears happened

579
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: to be very good swimmers and rely on finding brooks

580
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: and bodies of water to cool down. They can shed

581
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: their underfur as well as you know, they try to

582
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: deal with the heat. And I learned that because there

583
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: might not be a higher level b TU situation than

584
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: what's happening in Oxford, Mississippi. Bringing the players that they

585
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: brought back minus quinchah On Judkins, bringing the players that

586
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: they brought in, you know, Juice Wells, Walter Nolan, guys

587
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: like that right now in terms of where the SEC is,

588
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: in terms of where there is new hype right Texas

589
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: has had been developing hype, Georgia has been maintaining hype.

590
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: Alabama has lost hype. Texas A and m starting over again.

591
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: LSU is a wild card. Ole Miss has like kind

592
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: of proven bt US and I think it was sort

593
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 2: of emphasized with their with their win over Penn State

594
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Speaker 2: in the bowl game, even with the Penn State defensive

595
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: players who weren't there, Ole Miss look good. They look confident,

596
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: they look prepared, They looked enthusiastic, which is not always

597
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: the case for even good teams in Bowl season. I'm

598
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: feeling a lot of the bt US with ole Miss

599
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: right now. Let's say you Tyan Ari.

600
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.

601
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Speaker 3: We talked about ole Miss a couple episodes ago and

602
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 3: we did did our portal eval and like, if they

603
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: don't make the playoff, it's kind of a failure. You

604
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: got to you got to make the playoff with roster.

605
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: Now I'm looking at the schedule. The schedule may beg

606
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: to differ the deeper you go into this thing. I

607
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: think the harder it gets at LSU, They've got Oklahoma

608
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: on this slate, They've got Georgia on this slate. They've

609
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: got Florida on this slate to close things out. Who

610
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: knows what state Florida will be in by that point

611
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: in the season. I might well, I have a pretty

612
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: good idea at this point, but I don't want to

613
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: draw too many conclusions. Again, it's still January at time

614
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: of recording. First half of this thing works out really well.

615
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: Back half definitely toughens up in a pretty significant way.

616
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: So look, they've got the AMMO on board to make

617
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: the playoff. They should make the playoff. If Lane Kiffin

618
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: is halfway as good of a coach as we would expect.

619
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of heat coming off

620
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: of Ole Miss as well. You know, it's going to

621
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: be one of those interesting scenarios I think in the

622
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: SEC just because suddenly we've got this vacuum. Nick Saban

623
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: is gone, right, he drove all the other programs crazy

624
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: trying to match him, and now he's gone. And now

625
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: suddenly who, like who is going to step up and

626
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: kind of fill that void? If not Georgia? And I

627
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: think I think Old Miss wants to be that team.

628
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: They fashion themselves a playoff roster, we'll see if they

629
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: can do it.

630
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: What where were like nuclear and hydrogen bomb tests, the

631
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: A tolls, the small islands that were completely That's what

632
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: I have b TU wise with Old Miss. I have

633
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: a toll level BTUs. Yeah, I'm like an eight to one. Yeah,

634
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm nine to seven.

635
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: When you said it, my first thought was in the nines.

636
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm more leaning towards Dan on this one because well,

637
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean eight it's good too, right, Like I think

638
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: that things in college football become more interesting when you

639
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: start like zooming out a little bit and not necessarily

640
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: just on how good is ole Miss going to be?

641
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: But the case study of what ole Miss could do

642
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: in terms of a roster building strategy, like the notion

643
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: of returning ten players or I mean a bunch of

644
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: players from a ten win team the previous year looking

645
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: at the schedule and saying, hey, well we don't play Alabama,

646
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: we don't have to play Georgia till mid November. We

647
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: could really really do something here, So why don't we

648
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: take all of our money and allocate the resources in

649
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: order to try to build the best roster that we

650
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: can and just literally go for it, like buying at

651
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: the trade deadline and creating this notion of like, hey,

652
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, when the opportunity strikes, we might not be

653
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: big nil players every year, we might not be able

654
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: to load a roster this way. But when circumstance and

655
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: schedule and roster all match up the year before and

656
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: you see that window, are we going to see teams

657
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: go on a spending spree or a resource spree the

658
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: year before and then go all into a season like

659
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: so the notion of all into me is very fascinating.

660
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: Ole Miss is coming into the season with a playoff

661
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: and not just a playoff appearance. I think when a

662
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: few games in the playoff even that's what the expectation is.

663
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: And even without Judkins on the roster, the players that

664
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: they brought in, you know, put them in a position

665
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: where they should be able to do so, especially considering

666
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the fact their schedule is very manageable for it being

667
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: in the in the new SEC. I don't see Alabama

668
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: or Texas on this on this on the schedule, So

669
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: not only will Ole Miss make the playoff or how

670
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: many games can it lose and still make the playoff

671
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: and will it make a playoff game? Is Ole Miss

672
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: going to be the new blueprint for how middle tier

673
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: programs dying to win big actually approach their roster building

674
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: and the future is fascinating.

675
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: Ty you you watched the bowl game closely?

676
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: I did.

677
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: Unfortunately the defensive players that were out. Was there anything

678
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: in that specific bowl game where you were like, I

679
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: think this can continue, especially given the players that they added.

680
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: Now, I mean, most of my hot takes are on

681
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: the Penn State side. You know that, Okay, right, most

682
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: of my hot takes are on that side. We expected

683
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: that Old Miss was going to come in there and

684
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: was going to look good on offense. I don't know

685
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: if I quite expected they'd look as good as they

686
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: did throwing the football and that that was sort of

687
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: my point of contention with that game.

688
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: But Penn State was.

689
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: Without some guys, and look, we've we've talked a nauseam

690
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: about their problems on offense, and a lot of that

691
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: stuff still kind of was there. So yeah, I'm excited

692
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: about Ole Miss. I'm excited to see what they look

693
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: like and how they fit kind of in the pecking

694
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: order in this new SEC the Saban lists SEC that

695
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna be blue in the face talking

696
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: about all off season long.

697
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: Are you seeing a black bear in public?

698
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Uh?

699
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: No, but I've been to the black Bear Diner. What

700
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: where's the black Bear Diner? It's kind of like I

701
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: think it's like a Southwestern diner chain. Very Oh it's

702
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: a chain, Okay, I've never been never heard of it. Yeah, yeah,

703
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: it's Uh, I've seen it in mountain towns. Ty.

704
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: Have you seen a black bear and the rolling hills

705
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: of Pa?

706
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: I have?

707
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, okay, I saw one in Canada once. Yeah,

708
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: it was it was far away.

709
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: Editors. Number one irrational fear in life is encountering a

710
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: bar in public bears. Yeah, and he it's so irrational that,

711
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: like he will avoid hiking trails and stuff because he can't.

712
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: And I find that to be very funny, just like

713
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: picturing him actually being chased by a bear, because like

714
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: the odds of that actually happening are very very slim.

715
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: But you know, just like I have a friend who's

716
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: afraid to go on cruises because he's afraid of pirates.

717
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: Like that's another one.

718
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: Oh pirates not even falling off.

719
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I was like, and he said the

720
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: word gatling gun, and I've never in my entire life

721
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: laughed harder than that because like way in reference to

722
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: a grappling gun or grappling hook, We're just like, like

723
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: those are very different things. Both hook, it's both.

724
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: So he would only go on a cruise if it

725
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: were equipped with grappling hooks. He's afraid that they are

726
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: going to use use grappling hooks to go on boardchine guns. Yes,

727
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 2: while he's on the cruise.

728
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: I gotta believe that Carnival has heard about the elephant

729
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: hoses that you can use to sort of Yeah.

730
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like a thirty five year old man

731
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: being afraid of that is a very funny thing to think.

732
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: Not falling overboard the entire the cruise ship coming down

733
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: with some sort of bacterial infection or something that spreads quickly.

734
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: It's much more the threat of pirates, even off like

735
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: British Columbia, if you were to Alaskan cruise, great, and

736
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: how common are they are there pirates out there?

737
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: Like?

738
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: You don't hear about them anymore that that much with

739
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: cruises it's just orcas.

740
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: Now, man, do pirates? Is pirates? Is pirting in the

741
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: ocean and industry still?

742
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: I M so yeah, But I think it's very specific

743
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: to like certain areas of the Indian Ocean. I think

744
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: that's where it's it's been most prevalent.

745
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: And they're just stealing like from cargo ships.

746
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: And I don't think they target cruises that much, though

747
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong. It's usually cargo ships.

748
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: I thought you're your editor took Captain Phillips the movie

749
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: very seriously.

750
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: That's great though. Now the editor was be okay, yeah,

751
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: but this is way they're both adults, fair enough, all right,

752
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: what's your next heat check?

753
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 3: I've got a two way heat check here centered around

754
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: the Pinstripe Bowl fellas the Pinstripe Bowl. Rutgers beat Miami

755
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: in the Pinstripe Bowl thirty one to twenty four. The

756
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: Rutgers schedule, we're talking a lot about schedules here again

757
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: episode not a previous.

758
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, I don't think there's any heat on Rutgers,

759
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: but you can continue. There's heat on Greg Ciano's bank account.

760
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: That's good.

761
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: There's heat on Hiano's bank account. But there should be

762
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: at least a little bit of heat on Rutgers because

763
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: of the schedule. The schedule to me is fascinating. It

764
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: is like a total one point eighty from where it's been. Right,

765
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: We're accustomed to Rutgers playing Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan.

766
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: This season they play none of them. They play none of.

767
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: Them, no Big Tennis powers, none of those teams.

768
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: They do have to travel to USC. They I think,

769
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: get UCLA and USC back to back weeks.

770
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: It's still Rutgers.

771
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't mean that as a pejorative, but it's

772
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: they're still trying to like build this thing up. But

773
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: in the new Big ten Rutgers recruiting class relative to

774
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: newcomer Washington was like zero point seven eight points worse,

775
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: so pretty close to where.

776
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: Washington it is.

777
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Washington has a rooting class anymore,

778
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: so that might be like dividing something by zero continue.

779
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: And should be a lot more experienced than they've been

780
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: in the past. They I think return a fair amount

781
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: on their defense as well. Kalamanan guy, their big running

782
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: back is coming back for another season. So this is

783
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: not to say that Rutgers is going to be in

784
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: contentionent for the Big Ten, but looking at the schedule,

785
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: I say, okay, maybe a little bit of heat there.

786
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: On the flip side, Miami, I don't know what to

787
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: make in Miami.

788
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: Guys, Miami is almost an Ari Wasserman Petri dish right.

789
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: It's the extent to which Ari will stand by like

790
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: the his ethos, because this is a Miami team that

791
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: recruits really well. Stars matter, right, The roster is talented,

792
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 2: and they're a situation where you're like, at a certain

793
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: point it's got to matter. But then you also see

794
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: how they lose games, you see how they go into games,

795
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: how they're unprepared for games, and you're just like, well,

796
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: maybe stars don't matter in the way they do. Maybe

797
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: Miami is like a very specific test specific to Ari Wasserman.

798
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: When Mario Cristoval left Oregon and you were able to

799
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: like watch that last thirty second clip, if I could

800
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: have just showed it to you, then would you have

801
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: just been tickled pink? Yeah, of course.

802
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 2: The thing about the peace except he won the conference

803
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: and won a rose Bull at Oregon.

804
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the patriotish thing is funny because it exploded in

805
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: my face when Michigan won the national title. Right, But

806
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: also to Miami, isn't the first case of recruited really

807
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: well and never is good either. My thought process when

808
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: it comes to the recruiting thing is that having an

809
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: x number of players or a certain number of talent

810
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: on your roster as a prerec excuse me to winning

811
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: a national championship. But it doesn't guarantee being good. It

812
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: guarantees that you won't win one if you don't. So

813
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: that to me even is now kind of in question

814
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: after what Michigan was able to do and what Washington

815
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: might have been able to do had they won that game.

816
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: So Miami is always interesting to me because every single

817
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: year when they sign these crazy good recruiting classes, you

818
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: always think to yourself, like, is it finally going to happen?

819
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, is it finally going to happen? And at

820
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: a certain point if you you know, because they've done

821
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: a really good job. And what Mario did at Oregon

822
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: was bolster the lines and in the ACC that's a

823
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: really good thing. Like I think they've gotten a lot

824
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: of good lying talent in both the portal land in

825
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: the recruiting rank. So I am always on high alert

826
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: for Miami just showing up and being good out of nowhere,

827
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: not out of nowhere, but being good and better than

828
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: we expect as a result of some of these players

829
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: kind of growing up and having a good offseason and

830
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: Mario coaching. Well, so that's always the case. But if

831
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: they just stink again, like that's just going to be

832
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: status quo. And as it pertains the Rutgers, like if

833
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: they won nine games next year, if they actually if

834
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: everything you said Tye comes through and they like win

835
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: nine games, like because like they won seven this year

836
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone noticed, so like if they

837
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: win nine, Like what is it what would it take

838
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: for people to notice? Rutgers.

839
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: It's who you be, it's who you beat, and how

840
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: you beat them, because they were just sort of Boa

841
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: Constrictors last year when they were competitive, but they weren't flashy.

842
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: They didn't upset anybody big. They just chipped away in

843
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: a pretty down conference.

844
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: So but then when they did beat Miami, people didn't

845
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: notice that a lot.

846
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: Of people didn't notice Miami. To me, beat you wise

847
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: is like an eight three, just because I'm prepared for

848
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: anything any given week with Miami now that they've added

849
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: cam Ward, who's like the ultimate wild card. The best

850
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: of cam Ward is crazy impressive, and that he'll just

851
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: disappear randomly in late October early November for two and

852
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: a half weeks. So I'm fully ready for Miami to

853
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: like demolish Florida State and lose to a new Duke

854
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: or I don't have their schedule in front of me,

855
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: but they beat the heat wise, they are going to

856
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: be incredible to watch. They're going to be the most

857
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 2: entertaining team in the country to me, because quarter to quarter,

858
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: half to half, week to week, I think they're going

859
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: to be like six different teams.

860
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: They open up in August August thirty. First, I think

861
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a week zero game at Florida and if they

862
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: win that game, like Miami could legitimately get the six

863
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: or something and know they played Florida A and m

864
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: Ball State South Florida VA Tech I heard I learned

865
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: this week. You can't say VA Tech, it's VT. Oh

866
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: that's offensive. I don't know if you guys knew that.

867
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. At Cal and then at Louisville, who I

868
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: think is going to be pretty good too, and then

869
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: Florida State in late October. But they have a chance

870
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: to do that. And if they won the ACC it

871
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprising, would it. It would just be like, Oh,

872
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: it finally happened.

873
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: It would be surprising because if you look at the math,

874
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: doing it once in twenty four years is a pretty

875
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: low percent.

876
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: Like Florida State was kind of surprising to me last year.

877
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: Really Florida State showed well. I mean when you look

878
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: at the roster and the players that they had, like

879
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: Jared Versus Keyon Coleman and Jordan Travis and all the

880
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson and Benson, all the guys they had, it

881
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: always added up to that. But it had been so

882
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: long since we saw Florida State be so awesome. It

883
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of got into that No Man's land of Is

884
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: this magic lost? Are they going to be able to

885
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: do it again? And then they finally did it again.

886
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: It was kind of like, Wow, they actually not only

887
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: just beat the crap out of LSU on national television,

888
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: but they didn't finish their season unbeaten. And like I'm

889
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: with you, Dan, I don't know, like, if they beat Florida,

890
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that that necessarily means that Miami is back.

891
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: So if Miami were to end up doing it, it would

892
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: be surprising, but the pieces at the end of the run,

893
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: much like Florida State, it would make sense if they did.

894
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: What is the What is the BTU ranking on both

895
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: these teams? I'm assuming Miami is higher, but it was

896
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: of note that they played each other, and of course

897
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: that Rutgers won in the Bowl game.

898
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: I have a three to one Rutgers, three point one

899
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: for Rutgers, eight point three for Miami. Yeah.

900
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Uh, kim Ward brings Miami up probably into the seventh.

901
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: Like seven to three for Mek Rutgers is pretty low,

902
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean I think Rutgers maybe like two

903
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: to eight, just because of all the emerging storylines and

904
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: the Big ten. I don't know if that's one that

905
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: people are gonna get amped about. That said, it's not

906
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: too long ago that Rutgers was a complete dumpster fire

907
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: of a program that shouldn't even be. Like people were

908
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: making fun of their inclusion in the conference, and like

909
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: Greg Ciano was probably the only coach on the face

910
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: of the earth that truly understood like how to make

911
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: Rutgers at least like semi competent. And he speaks the language,

912
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: and every single high school coach in New Jersey loves

913
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: that guy, and like the fact that their like win

914
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: total next year might be like over under seven and

915
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: a half or six and crazy, I don't care what

916
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: their schedule is. The fact that he was able to

917
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: accomplish that is a you know, a hat tip to

918
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: Greg Ciano for doing it, you know, and being willing

919
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: to do it.

920
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: Ari if out of the shadows emerged a billionaire booster

921
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: at Rutgers.

922
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: The cake boss is that what you're the cake it's

923
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: the cake Boss. I don't know.

924
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the cake boss suddenly finds two billion dollars

925
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: of discretionary income, how much of that money would the

926
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: cake boss need to put into the Rutgers nil infrastructure,

927
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: what have you in order to turn Rutgers into an

928
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: immediate playoff contender?

929
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: Can I can? I guys tell you like what I've

930
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: always thought though about Rutgers before I answer that I

931
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: always thought if they were New Jersey State that they

932
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: would be better. I think they've got a branding a

933
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: branding issue. Yeah, yeah, I don't like, I don't think.

934
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it means. Like if they

935
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: were New Jersey State and they had like a really

936
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: cool maybe even if they were still the Knights, Yeah,

937
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: and they had a really like black and red uniforms

938
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: that had like the outline of the state on the thing,

939
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: and people like acknowledged and knew where it was and

940
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: made it, they would have a chance to make it cool.

941
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: I just don't know if you could make the name

942
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: Rutgers cool.

943
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: It was originally named Queen's College, Okay, And it was

944
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: renamed Rutgers College after Colonel Henry Rutgers in eighteen twenty five.

945
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: He was a revolutionary war hero and the son of

946
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: colonists from the Netherlands.

947
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: There you go, that's good lesson, Okay. And that was

948
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: way before the birthplace of college football, you know. Yeah,

949
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: which they were there for. Yeah, they were there for it.

950
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think that if you took

951
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: twenty million you could make a really good roster anywhere,

952
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, I guess like also too,

953
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: if Greg Ciano is still the head coach. He was an

954
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: NFL head coach, he was a coordinator at Ohio State.

955
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: He's got a pretty extensive resume of working with football players.

956
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be like a joke of an institution to

957
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: like be like, hey, go play there, and I think

958
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: money talks. I think people would go play anywhere if

959
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: you threw enough money at it. I think you know,

960
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: you see a lot of bogus nil dollars flying around there.

961
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: But they won seven games with what I assume is

962
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: close to nothing or not anywhere near what other teams

963
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: that are in the Big ten were paying. If you

964
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: maybe turned it to twenty or twenty five, I think

965
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: you could make the playoff pretty convincingly. At that point,

966
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: it would be my number.

967
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 3: We talked on a previous episode about perhaps that method

968
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: for a G five school, because of course, as you know,

969
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: group of five team gets in the playoff, and if

970
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: a G five team finds a rich booster that's willing

971
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: to spend a lot of money. Is that not the

972
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: path of least resistance? It might take a bit to

973
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: convince people to come there. But if money talks as

974
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: you say it does, and of course, if you could

975
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: put together an interesting G five that wins all its game,

976
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: that seemingly is an easy way into the playoff with

977
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: perhaps a lot of visibility for the school.

978
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: The question I have for you, guys, and I don't

979
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: know the answer to this. I mean, you went to

980
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: a school, Dan that's got some pretty wealthy people around it.

981
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: Why has no billionaire like upset football obsessed billionaire just

982
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: like on Scorched Earth? Yet like you would think that,

983
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: like because like when you think about how much money

984
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: a billionaire has, or like what Nike is worth, right

985
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: or what Apple is worth? Like Tim Cook and auberab

986
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: right now, if if you really really really felt like

987
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: like a billion dollars is like putting together a top

988
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: three class is a drop in the bucket of a billion,

989
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: Like why has nobody Do you think it will ever

990
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: get to a point where like a T boone pickens,

991
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: God rest his soul decides. I'm eighty three years old,

992
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: I've got billions of dollars. The last thing I want

993
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: is my team to win a national championship and then

994
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: actually just like pays every single member of their class

995
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: five million dollars to come there.

996
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: My guess is there's something in the optics of it, right,

997
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: that you're so much money on something that's seen, like

998
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: internationally as pretty frivolous, even though we love it. We're like,

999
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: they spend how much money so that they could win

1000
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: three more football games when that money could have fed

1001
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: three hundred million people, Right, that's the when they're when

1002
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: they're in the spotlight like that. And I think Phil

1003
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: Knight might be a little bit different because he made

1004
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: his money in sports, so maybe there's a.

1005
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: Also the easiest thing for him to do too. If

1006
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: you're I would say, if I were Phil Knight, I

1007
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: would say, if you're a top one hundred player in

1008
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: the country in the two four to seven sports composite

1009
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: and you come to Oregon, I automatically give you a

1010
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: ten year Nike deal and X number of dollars whatever

1011
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: that comes out to be. And it actually could be

1012
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: kind of used in the same vein that nil was

1013
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: intended for, which is you are a Nike athlete, You

1014
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: wear Nike clothes, you post Nike things on your Instagram,

1015
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: you tweet about Nike and links to sales on your thing,

1016
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: and you're actually an ambassador for the brand that exists

1017
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: right there, Like, why don't they do that?

1018
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: The Orgon difference is at this point, over the last

1019
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: whatever twenty or thirty years, is it's been a proven

1020
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: place that develops NFL players, that wins a ton of games.

1021
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: So I think money gets players in the door. But

1022
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: like you're saying, like, why doesn't you know a billionaire

1023
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: at Iowa State or Minnesota or something spend forty million dollars.

1024
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: That's fine, but you can make a bunch of money

1025
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: going there. But if you're thinking even medium term, are

1026
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: you going to become a better football player? Like what

1027
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: are your odds of becoming an NFL quarterback if you

1028
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: go to Minnesota or Iowa State? As Iowa State has

1029
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback starting at example, I'm saying, but the

1030
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: track record specific to those schools right that, Like, it's

1031
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: one thing to get players there, it's another to say, Okay,

1032
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: now that you're here, we're going to develop you into

1033
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 2: an NFL you know, top billion.

1034
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: It became maniacal about it. He can also hire a

1035
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: new staff.

1036
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: Can hire the new staff, can hire the new So

1037
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: I just think it takes time. I just think it

1038
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: takes time to build out that infrastructure. And it takes commitment,

1039
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: not just financial commitment, but like it takes your time. Right,

1040
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: you need to convince coaches that this is the place

1041
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: for you. You need to build out like the nil

1042
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: infrastructure of like how the deals are going to work,

1043
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: and hire a bunch of lawyers like it. Just it

1044
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: takes a good amount of your time. I don't think

1045
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: it's like a turnkey, right, a check succeed kind of thing.

1046
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: Uh. Tim Cook makes eighty three million dollars a year. Great, right,

1047
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: and Auburn has infrastructs what Auburn has had money forever?

1048
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll use that as a que and talk about

1049
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: a G five school that has a mascot that actually

1050
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 2: has some fertility issues when it gets hot and stressed out.

1051
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about the G five school that

1052
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: finished with the highest recruiting composite rank and emphatically won

1053
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: a bowl game that would be the USF Bulls. How

1054
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: about that? Are how about that? For a transit.

1055
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: So when they're when they're very hot, they have a

1056
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: hard time reproducing.

1057
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: When they get very hot over the summer, bulls get

1058
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: very stressed out and the the fertility issues start to grow, okay,

1059
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: like like bull semen. According to Vita Firm, which is

1060
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: a company that makes mineral rich vitamins for bulls to

1061
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: keep them keep their stress levels down. Not a sponsor,

1062
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: I suppose could be Invita Firm wants to come through

1063
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: with a bag for the solid.

1064
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: Verse oliver sponsored by a firm. Good.

1065
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently bulls need a mineral rich diet in the

1066
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: summer months to keep their stress levels down that helps

1067
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: with fertility. USF, though, absolutely demolishes I believe Syracuse right, Yeah,

1068
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: forty five nothing Alex Golesh first year as head coach,

1069
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: bringing a couple of notable transfers, not a huge transfer class.

1070
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: I don't think the win and final score means a

1071
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: ton at the moment because of what Syracuse was going

1072
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: through in an interim situation. But USF has a lot

1073
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: of work to do on defense. Had a promising I

1074
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: don't know two and a half three quarters against Alabama

1075
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: early on in the year, but certainly took some lumps

1076
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: on defense, but there seems to be a good amount

1077
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: of heat, you know, Alex Goli getting in front of

1078
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: microphones talking a big game, which I love us F

1079
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: obviously geographically in a good place. Schedule looks pretty decent.

1080
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: Moving forward, What what is the heat and BTU level

1081
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: with H with us F in this moment.

1082
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to like shake off the words bull semen.

1083
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I you'd be amazed at how often it

1084
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: comes up on this show.

1085
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would be a really funny sponsorship too.

1086
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: And the thing that I think about too, sorry presenting

1087
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: the second so like somebody is a millionaire because of

1088
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: those vitamins, Like you have to think about, like how

1089
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: awesome it is like these people who come up with

1090
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: these like obscure ideas that nobody in like regular modern

1091
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: society would ever think of. Who now like have a

1092
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: house in Laguna Beach because they came up with bull vitamins.

1093
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: He is the bull semen king king of Chicago. Yeah, Chicago, Yeah, Yeah,

1094
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: that's I think that.

1095
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: The I mean my thin it's more Texas that has

1096
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: the issues with the heat and the.

1097
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: In the cattle. Okay, why are we worried about bull

1098
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: anxiety again, Like, what's the actual USF?

1099
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: They're the bulls, no no heat, right, and he causes

1100
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: the stress.

1101
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: I think it's an incredible fact. I just mean, why

1102
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: are humans concerned with the stress level of bulls in

1103
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: real life?

1104
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: Because they make money off of the cattle? Come on,

1105
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: are you're a Texans I don't.

1106
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: I am not a Texan. I live in Texas, but

1107
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm not. I haven't been indoctrinated yet. I mean, considering

1108
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: the fact that UCF was like one of the worst

1109
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: teams in college football two years ago, what did I say,

1110
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: af USF? Sorry, I think they lost all but one

1111
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: game in twenty twenty two. Like to me, I could

1112
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: probably get to like a two point four on this,

1113
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: just because I think that every program in Florida. I

1114
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: don't think that any program located in Florida should ever

1115
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: stink under any circumstance. So the fact that they have

1116
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: some momentum. Again, you can't take a forty five nothering

1117
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: win over over Syracuse considering what happened there overly serious.

1118
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: But what you can do is you can see nice

1119
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: tangible piece of growth there that can continue on into

1120
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: the following year. And you know, I'm old enough to

1121
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: remember when USF went like ten and oh that one year,

1122
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: I think it was like eight or oh seven when.

1123
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got killed by Oregon in the Sunball. But yeah,

1124
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: that was the fun year. But they had a really

1125
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: fun year. And I think that everybody in Florida, with

1126
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: the proximity of talent that they have, is entitled to

1127
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: at least one fun year every six seven years. And

1128
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: I think that goes back to how weird it is

1129
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: that Miami has been not very good for as long

1130
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: as they have.

1131
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: So yes, I mean I think I can it. Can

1132
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: I think I could put it up there with next

1133
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: to Rutgers in terms of you know, BTUs.

1134
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: I have it above Rutgers because of the location in Florida,

1135
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: because of the juice, because of the recruiting young promising

1136
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: quarterback Byron Brown.

1137
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm there. I'd like a five to four for us

1138
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 1: F N four.

1139
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, especially with the bolt fertility element.

1140
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you're just like, yeah, I know, You're just like,

1141
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: gotta adjust my seat.

1142
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, the bull thing that was unexpected, Dan, I'm not

1143
00:53:58,840 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: gonna lie.

1144
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: Was it though, Tie after all these years?

1145
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: Maybe not maybe not as unexpected as people who are

1146
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: new listeners would would expect me to say. Yeah, I'm

1147
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: not higher than Rutgers. I don't think I gave my

1148
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: number for Rutgers. I'm like a five to three. Oh

1149
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 3: wow on Rutgers.

1150
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just how you prove to the people that

1151
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: you're just a big college football guy, you know.

1152
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, I live in this part of

1153
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 3: the world, so maybe maybe I'm a little bit more

1154
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: interested for me the USF thing. It's like it's more

1155
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: of a bigger picture heat checked because they're building the stadium,

1156
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: and I wrote about it a lot in our in

1157
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: our newsletter that we sent out towards I guess the

1158
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: fall of last year. You know, there there was some

1159
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: strife there with do we actually want to build a

1160
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty million dollars stadium at the risk

1161
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: of leaving academics behind, And they said, yes, let's do it.

1162
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: We're going yeah, We're going for it. We need to.

1163
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1164
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: Some of the rationale behind that decision was we don't

1165
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 3: want to be left behind in the football Like we

1166
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: see that we're in Florida.

1167
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: We see where this thing could go. It's a brave

1168
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: new world in college football. And so we're going to

1169
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: build the stadium. It's going to open in twenty twenty six.

1170
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: It's going to have a big freaking bowl, Dan. I

1171
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to be sponsored by Vita Firm.

1172
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it could be.

1173
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: Of course, on one the amount of Vita Firm exposure

1174
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: on this episode.

1175
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: So much, they're gonna have a big old bull at

1176
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 3: least in the renderings on one half of the stadium.

1177
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 3: And so I just think there there is a lot

1178
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 3: of a lot of heat there on that program.

1179
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: First, the first two FBS programs that South Florida plays

1180
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: this fall, Alabama and Miami. Yep, I'm just saying you

1181
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: buy low now. The heat's going to be through the roof.

1182
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: If anything crazy happened, the.

1183
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: Heat's going to be through the roof.

1184
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: And they want to get into a power conference. You know,

1185
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: they're making these investments because they want to They want

1186
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: to try and pave their way into the playoff at

1187
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: some point in the foreseeable future. And so that's why

1188
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 3: they're investing as heavily as they are. As for what

1189
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: USF looks like this year, I agree on the quarterback thing,

1190
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: on a preview episode. I need some time with that one.

1191
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 3: But I think overall the momentum around the program is there,

1192
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: and so that makes it interesting, not more interesting than Rutgers,

1193
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 3: but I'll go I'll go five to one.

1194
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: How's that? What's your next heat checked? I don't know

1195
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: how much time? Got time for a couple more Kyen drones?

1196
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: Oh specific k Yeah, Kyen drones. So Kyen drones.

1197
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 3: Baylor transfer is quarterback at VT Virginia Tech.

1198
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Ari, is that right? That's right. I'll say Tech, don't

1199
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: say Louisiane. Last VT.

1200
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 3: It came on strong last half of the season. We

1201
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: won the Military Bowl beat two Lane, A good group

1202
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: of five team in its own right. I think finished

1203
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: in his last five games with something like an eleven

1204
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: to two touchdown interception ratio, with the exception of the

1205
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: Louisville game Losville, he did at least one good thing

1206
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: in all of the final five games, right, whether running

1207
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: or passing. The schedule next season, speaking of beautiful schedules

1208
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 3: is beautiful. It works out really well for Virginia Tech.

1209
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 3: They're at Miami, They're at sarah U their home against Clemson.

1210
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: So there's some name brand teams on that schedule. But

1211
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: this is a team to me that felt like it

1212
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: very much got its act together and was trending up

1213
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: in a good way when we last left them at

1214
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: the end of the season. So that's not to say

1215
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: this is a nine win Virginia Tech team, But I

1216
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: do think after a first season for the new coaching

1217
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 3: staff trying to figure out who is going to play where,

1218
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: a lot of like positional changes, which was concerning last season,

1219
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: it seems as if they put things together in a

1220
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: really substantial way and now going into twenty twenty four

1221
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 3: with a good schedule and I think a lot more

1222
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 3: experience coming back.

1223
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1224
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: Like I'm pretty high on Brent Pray and where he's

1225
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: got that program pointed.

1226
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I'm okay with this. What number

1227
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: do you have for Kien drones? Six to two six two?

1228
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, I really I think we saw flashes

1229
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: in limited action at Baylor, and when you and I

1230
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: remember when you and I remembered that he was on

1231
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: the roster for Virginia Tech, and then when he started playing,

1232
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: it was like a couple weeks into the year we

1233
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: got more regular time, it was like, okay, this could

1234
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: be interesting to follow. And then they went to a Bowl,

1235
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: and then they won the Bowl. And now I'm talking

1236
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: myself into Virginia Tech in a way that they.

1237
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: Lost to your precious Ruckers Scarlet Knights early.

1238
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: This is true. This is true, And they play again

1239
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, but I'm pretty high on them. Yeah.

1240
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: It was the second half of the year more so

1241
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: than the Bowl.

1242
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: To me was what I think up the BTUs in

1243
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: February January February. So yeah, I'd have them mid tier

1244
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: B to you, in I think a conference still desperate

1245
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: to get a little hot when the SEC and Big

1246
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: ten seem to have all the juice right now. So yeah,

1247
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech has a fun home field, The schedule, as

1248
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: you mentioned, looks nice. A younger head coach who seems

1249
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: to be seems to have an upward trajectory Kyroen Drones

1250
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: is fun.

1251
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1252
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what the receiver room looks like. I

1253
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: don't know what the offensive line room looks like in

1254
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: this moment. That's an August conversation. But in terms of

1255
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: like where they stack up in terms of just general

1256
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: vibes right now, yeah, I would say they run pretty high.

1257
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: The most important thing for Virginia Tech is not the number.

1258
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: It is not whether we're at a six y two

1259
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: or a six y three or four.

1260
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: That they're just on this show at all.

1261
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: Well, the fact that they're on the show is important,

1262
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: but the fact that if we were to have done

1263
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: this show a year ago that be to you number

1264
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 3: is definitely a tick up there, here go, and that's

1265
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: all you want, right if you're starting over in the

1266
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: way that Virginia Tech was starting over with that roster,

1267
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: the fact that that number is objectively higher on this

1268
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: episode is meaningful.

1269
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm no expert on Virginia Tech's roster numbers right now,

1270
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: but it is funny that you mentioned this time because

1271
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: on our show we had somebody call in and say,

1272
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: why don't you guys talk about Virginia Tech. I've heard

1273
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: already say that this is a dead program, And if

1274
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: you actually look at their schedule in Drones next year,

1275
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: there's a legitimate chance with the returning production that we

1276
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: have that we can make the playoff. Kind of looked

1277
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: into it a little bit, and I saw their schedule

1278
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: before the show, and I kind of put two and

1279
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: two together. I'm like, well, Drones is somebody that I

1280
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: too also noticed at Baylor. I know that he wasn't

1281
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: always a starter there, but there there were spots starts

1282
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: a few years ago where he came in and did

1283
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: some things that were like, Oh, this guy's got a

1284
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: flash of athleticism here. That could be special. And if

1285
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: you get a quarterback that kind of figures it out,

1286
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: and you have a lot of returning production plus a

1287
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 1: favorable schedule, there is a chance that Virginia Tech could

1288
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: go win nine games and move that BTU meter up.

1289
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: My mind, I'm higher than you. I think I'm closer

1290
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: to seven maybe six' eight on this Because i'm always

1291
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: excited about like what new can, Happen and you, know

1292
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: as we found out this past, year like new teams

1293
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: pop up all the. Time that is an exciting proposition for.

1294
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: Me the THING i don't understand, is AND i remember

1295
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: vividly WHEN i was Covering Ohio, state we went To

1296
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: blacksburg for the twenty fifteen game that was The Braxton

1297
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Miller Spin move, game if you guys remember, Yep AND

1298
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: i remember writing a huge feature before that game about

1299
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: like what happened To Virginia, Tech like why don't they

1300
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: recruit THE dmv anymore the way that they used. To

1301
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: why don't they get? Played like If Michael vick was

1302
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: born now or was eighteen, now he never would go

1303
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: To Virginia tech the way he could have. Gone AND

1304
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: i think it's kind of a sad story, that like

1305
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: one of the name brand places that was competing for

1306
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: national championships when we were kids kind of just like

1307
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 1: went into no man's land and stopped. Recruiting they weren't

1308
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: a factor in their own territory. Anymore and you, Know

1309
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Penn state was eating up a lot of the best

1310
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: players in THE dmv, Area and like Vow tech is

1311
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: VT vt even a uh come on Vo tech for

1312
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: twenty years, Now it's gonna take a minute for me

1313
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: to get out of that.

1314
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: Habit they're probably one of the they're one of the

1315
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: big losers of national, recruiting right that they are close

1316
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: enough to interesting. Talents but now everybody can watch, YouTube

1317
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: everybody can Watch, huddle everybody can look at max preps

1318
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: or whatever wherever tape is that everybody can get to

1319
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: regional clinics and camps and everything like, that where that

1320
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: it's cooler if you're a top player In virginia to

1321
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: go To alabama Or Penn state or any of the.

1322
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: As anybody's been a victim of that more Than Virginia tech,

1323
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: Though Like i'm just trying to think, of like which

1324
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 1: teams used to be. High like if you think about

1325
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: The Virginia, TECH.

1326
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: I, mean the USC's recruiting ground has been rated pretty, significantly, right.

1327
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: It has, been but they've never they haven't dropped from

1328
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: like top fifteen program In america to like in the. Seventies,

1329
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: true you, know like it's like, they Like Virginia tech

1330
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: has been pillaged to the point where it's like not

1331
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: even visible or or similar to what they. WERE i,

1332
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: mean they were once one of the top fifteen programs

1333
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: In america and now they. Can't they just signed a

1334
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: top forty class for the first time in a few

1335
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: years and finished a few YEARS i think in the,

1336
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: fifties sixties and.

1337
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: Seventies so people might Argue miami over the last twenty

1338
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: years since they were very, strong That miami has sort

1339
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: of come down as local talent has been able to

1340
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: explore the opportunity to go. Elsewhere, YEAH i.

1341
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Just can't even remember the last Time Virginia tech played

1342
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: in a nationally relevant football Game Virginia.

1343
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: Tech, well, look they Beat Ohio state in the year

1344
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: That Ohio, state so it's twenty. Fourteen they had an

1345
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: interesting stretch With Jared, Evans Durrod. Evans it's what twenty

1346
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: sixteen is That flentde's first, year THE jc transfer who

1347
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: probably should have. Stayed SO i guess it's really been

1348
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen since they were playing In so.

1349
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: We're getting on a decade.

1350
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: Now, yeah we're getting on in a min couple of. Presidents,

1351
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: okay here's my final and this is there's good. Continuity,

1352
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: here here's my final heat, check my final b Tou

1353
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: and actually the Phrase i'm going to use here was

1354
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: in ties vows quivering muscle. Fibers quivering muscle fibers are

1355
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: how this animal stays.

1356
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: Warm.

1357
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: Uh you might think to yourself it's a. Bee technically

1358
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: it's a wasp because a yellow jacket is a.

1359
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: Wasp.

1360
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: Okay, also fun fact about wasps is a female decomposes

1361
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: in every fig that. Exists did you know that a

1362
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: female in every? Fig in every single fig that, exists

1363
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: there are the the broken down proteins of a female.

1364
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: Wasp how On god's Green earth did you find THAT

1365
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: i don't. KNOW i just found that out one, time

1366
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: that figs are dead wasp. Fruit, wow and it stuck with.

1367
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: Me but do they go into the fruit as as it's.

1368
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: Blooming and die and the the wasp carcass uh breaks

1369
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 2: down into a protein that's within those.

1370
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: That allows it to continue to grow to a fig

1371
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: turns in. B so if a be doesn't die in the,

1372
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: fig then it wants to be a fig or a.

1373
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: Wasp excuse? Me then it CAN i believe, SO i,

1374
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: believe so you can look it.

1375
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: UP i can be fact. Checked i'm wrong. Continuously but

1376
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter Is Georgia tech had a

1377
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: nice win OVER i believe you see F u C

1378
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: f in their in their bowl game and became kind

1379
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: of a wild card last. Year Haines king threw far

1380
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: too many picks but made a ton of. Plays they

1381
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 2: were probably an average even below average defense away from

1382
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: beating What Bowling green opened the season with a win

1383
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: Over Louis. All the offense certainly did enough in that.

1384
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: Game they get the win Over. Miami they make changes

1385
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: much needed changes on their defensive coaching. Staff they hire

1386
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: like a Longtime Mike alco Guy Tyler santucci to run the.

1387
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: Defense he was At Notre, dame Like, Forest TEXAS a AND.

1388
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: M Duke Edrin cooper is now going to be like

1389
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: a top twenty. Pick he was one of his linebackers

1390
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: At TEXAS a AND. M SO i know it's easy

1391
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: to be seduced by the ceiling of Recent Orange bowl

1392
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 2: Champion Georgia. Tech they've had some down. Years but in

1393
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: terms of heat, check in terms of, BTUs in terms

1394
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: of vibes in this acc Another, TECH i don't. KNOW

1395
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: i think they're they're pointed in the right. DIRECTION i

1396
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: think there's some there's some flames. Here the problem With Georgia.

1397
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: TECH i.

1398
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: Agree, yeah schedule is an f minus minus minus.

1399
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: MINUS i was going to, say there is a we

1400
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: have to talk about the, delta all, right we want

1401
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 3: to get. Scientific we have to talk about the difference

1402
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 3: in the BTUs around the program and the trajectory and

1403
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 3: the vibes BTUs versus WHAT i think is reality next,

1404
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: season Because i'm looking at the schedule, now they open

1405
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 3: With Florida. State they're also on the road At North

1406
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 3: carolina At, louisville their home Against Notre, dame their home Against.

1407
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: Miami they PLAY nc sound on WHAT Nc state's going

1408
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: to look.

1409
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: Like they close out the season on the road At, georgia,

1410
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 3: who by the, way should still be pretty.

1411
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: Good so ceiling there could be seven. Wins could be

1412
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: seven wins with that. Schedule, again not a preview, episode

1413
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: but it seems like that's pretty.

1414
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: DIFFICULT i feel really good about where the program is at,

1415
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 3: though AND i think we alluded to this frequently when

1416
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 3: we talked About Brent key taking over that program as a,

1417
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 3: whole it just felt like they played for. Him you,

1418
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 3: know they were in games and that carried through to

1419
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: this season as. Well they BEAT ucf in The Gasparilla.

1420
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 3: Bowl they got to seven. Wins that's a huge deal because,

1421
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: again they had a pretty tough schedule this. Season the

1422
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: fact that they got to the, bowl that they won

1423
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 3: the seventh, GAME i think is. Meaningful they should have

1424
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 3: a very experienced team again in twenty twenty, four so

1425
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: that in and of, itself off against a tough. Schedule

1426
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: who knows how things shake. Out maybe they pull an

1427
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 3: upset or two and make things a little bit more.

1428
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: Interesting but that is my cap on THE btu. METER

1429
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: i can't go higher than like a five to five

1430
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 3: On Georgia, tech if only BECAUSE i look at the

1431
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 3: schedule and we have to be somewhat realist in our analysis.

1432
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: Here SO i like. THEM i like where they're.

1433
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: AT i like Brank, key Like Hanes, king BUT i

1434
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: don't see him, like even if everything goes, right they're

1435
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: not going better than seven and.

1436
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: Five, Okay CAN i Ask CAN i ask you a weird?

1437
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: Question because it's Late january Early?

1438
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: February is it?

1439
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: No nothing related to cattle and? Reproduction when you look

1440
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: at the roster of acc. Quarterbacks i'm not going to

1441
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: Declare Haines king like the alpha atop this. List i'm

1442
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: not going to go as far as doing.

1443
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: That but who is? Right like you look at this

1444
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 1: list and it's, like is IT, dju is It Cade? Club?

1445
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: Nick is It Max johnson At North? Carolina Like Malik

1446
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: murphy At duke is it? Whatever the you, know maybe

1447
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: it's Cam ward At. Miami who would you?

1448
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: Pick?

1449
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: Right that's What i'm, Saying, LIKE i THINK i know

1450
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: WHO i would. Take Like Haines king put up a

1451
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: lot of interesting. Numbers obviously one of them was sixteen

1452
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: or so, interceptions but he ran. Well he was a

1453
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: gamer at the end of, game like he made. PLAYS

1454
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: i don't know what if he's gonna Start, bama he's Beaten? Alabama, well,

1455
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: no that Was Zach. Calzada Oh Zach.

1456
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: Calzada? Yeah and is he not starting in THE acc

1457
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i feel like every Former TEXAS a AND m

1458
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: quarterback is a starting? Quarterback, yeah, Roster sorry for getting those.

1459
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 2: Confused AND i don't know what's gonna happen with where

1460
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: was was It albanese Quarterback skeeter McDuffie whatever his name.

1461
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: IS i think it's something, different But i'm buying stock

1462
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: In JAMAL i, mean, Uh Malik murphy, sorry Oh Malik

1463
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: murphy at? Duke? Sure so who is that your? Answer

1464
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: who is the number? At that's WHO i would IF

1465
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: i could build my entire, Team like these are two

1466
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: like who WOULD i take as like the best finished

1467
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: product right? Now or who WOULD i build my program?

1468
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 1: AROUND i think are different.

1469
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 2: Questions you've got What grays and McCall N c.

1470
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: State i'd probably Take caid Club nick right? Now, okay

1471
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: just based on on ceiling And i've like watched him

1472
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: camp in, person AND i know that here's some, risks but,

1473
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: yeah there's some, risk BUT i think physical attributes and star.

1474
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: Potential cale, McCord, Syracuse kyle, McCord, yes that's another. ONE

1475
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: i THINK i would Take Malik murphy just based on

1476
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: like The Anthony richardson school of freak athletes Like okay

1477
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: who figures it out and could be a first round

1478
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: pick one. Day Haines king probably the most, accomplished if

1479
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: that's the right.

1480
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 3: Word you're really Selling Haines. King Even Haines king is

1481
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 3: listening to this and rolling his eyes a little.

1482
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: Bit, Again i'm not going as far as to Suggest

1483
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: Haines king is the alpha in this this, list all,

1484
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: Right i'm just saying in terms of, accomplishments he was

1485
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: more fun that LIKE, dj you definitely took a step

1486
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: forward For Oregon state and will accomplish things At Florida

1487
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,879
Speaker 2: state in this. Offense But hainesk The king is frisky

1488
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 2: in the top group at, LEAST i would say.

1489
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 3: This episode brought to you by a bull seamen company

1490
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: or whatever they, do And Haines king's people.

1491
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 2: And his quick quivering muscle. Fibers was that the praise

1492
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: that was in your? Vows, yeah that's, right it's. GREAT

1493
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: i would Give Georgia tech independent of the, schedule BECAUSE

1494
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: i don't think a lot of people look at the

1495
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: schedule AND i don't Think Georgia tech has a lot

1496
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 2: of buzz no pun intended at the, moment But i'd

1497
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: be high, fives low. SIXES i think you have to

1498
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 2: have a real conversation and maybe this isn't the. Day

1499
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 2: CAN i come back in the summer of?

1500
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: Course like what actually is like as you mentioned it,

1501
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: too it's Like Georgia tech's high. Ceiling it's, LIKE i

1502
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: don't think that the ceiling At Georgia tech is as

1503
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: high as other people Who, yes it's In, atlanta and

1504
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: then that's, It like that's where it. Stops like it's

1505
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,919
Speaker 1: just hard because it's actually like apparently a very difficult.

1506
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: Academics it's an excellent school both to get into and

1507
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: to exceed expectations in grade. WISE i just don't know

1508
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Speaker 1: if this is a program that's going to be winning acc,

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Speaker 1: titles even if things go their way in the near.

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Speaker 2: Future, NO i THINK i THINK i think the RELATIVE

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Speaker 2: BTUs would be around consistent, eightish consistent, eightish you, know

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Speaker 2: maybe nine if everything breaks, correctly between seven and nine

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Speaker 2: wins a. Year Consistent bold TEAM i think would generate

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Speaker 2: a good amount of quivering muscle.

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Speaker 1: Fibers, Yeah i'm with you on, That, okay, BTUs i

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Speaker 1: didn't keep track of. Them i'll have to go. Back

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Speaker 1: i'll jot these. Downs All miss is the a TOLL

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Speaker 1: btu for. Me, yeah THAT'S i think the.

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Speaker 3: Top All miss is up there on pretty much all

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Speaker 3: of our. Lists Ari, watsonman what are you working on

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Speaker 3: over at The. ATHLETIC i know you've.

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Speaker 1: Been very busy.

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Speaker 3: Writing you've been very, busy of course with your Show

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01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 3: Until saturday Is what's new in your?

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Speaker 1: World not much really new in my. World i'm going

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Speaker 1: to be running a story heading into Signing day next.

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01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 1: Week have been talking to a ton of college football

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Speaker 1: staffers about recruiting rules they find stupid and would like to.

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Speaker 1: Change it's kind of a way, to you, know preview

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Speaker 1: a national signing day that used to mean something but

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: now is actually relatively. Boring but other than, that, no

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: just Until saturday podcast at The athletic and enjoying WHAT

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01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: i thought was going to be an off. Season you

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Speaker 1: don't know paying until you're packing for a trip To Santa.

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01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: Barbara Nick saban retires as you're putting you under way

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Speaker 1: that wasn't, fun AND i went to A Tina turner

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Speaker 1: musical with my wife and my wife's. MOTHER i was

1538
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: on the way to that When Jim harbaugh. Retired So

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01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: i'm just kind of hoping to get some normalcy. Back

1540
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: and next TIME i come on the, show we need

1541
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: to have like at least a twenty five minute block

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01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: of time schedule for just a grab ass topic that

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01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with cultural, sure BECAUSE i love

1544
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: picking your guys', brains BUT i appreciate you having me.

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01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: On it was fun as.

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Speaker 3: Always, Awesome Ari, wassman go and check him. Out of,

1547
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 3: course over on The Athletic Until saturday is the name

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 3: of his. Podcast Ari Always. Fun we will bring you

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01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 3: back again at some point soon in the meantime for

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01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 3: my normal co Host Dan rubinstein for a.

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Speaker 1: Guest of Honor Ari.

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Speaker 3: Waspman we appreciate everybody stopping on by, downloading listening supporting the.

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Speaker 1: Show make sure you hit subscriber or follow wherever it

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01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: is you are listening to us. Now we'll catch you all.

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01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: Soon stay, solid, peace