1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: This is a me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening the hood 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: Don't Make Me Eat podcast. You can't predict anything, alright, guys, 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: thanks for coming out, man um whenever I'm doing so now. 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: I was trying to think of like clever uh stuff 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: to say in the beginning, But all I can think 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: about is the thing that's probably the dorkyest thing to 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: talk about, because you guys live here and you're used 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: to people like I'm from the northern tier. Man. I'm sorry, 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: I can't like, I can't not discuss I can'tnot bring 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: up the heat. The only thing I've ever it's it's 12 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: like the only that every I've been going to hot 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: yoga with my wife and it's like walking on the street. 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: I keep expecting to turn around and see the mrs 15 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: bent over backward on a rubber matt. It really like 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: it's like the heat the heat is is synthetic. It's 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: the weirdest kind of thing. Uh. But you know some 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: other stuff about Arizona, man, I think about like I 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: I stay apprized of of wildlife, e hunting and fishing 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: news stuff, and you guys keep coming up on my 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: radar where in February. Also, on one day, I'm getting 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: blown up by people like, dude, They're gonna have a 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: wild horse hunt in Arizona, and I'm thinking that's not 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: gonna go well. And then and then the next day 25 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, they canceled the wild horse hunt. You know. 26 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: In the other day, I was like, really sadden to 27 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: hear about the you know, you guys got maybe two 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: jaguars and one of them turned up dead in Mexico, 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: which was a major bummer. And I got thinking, like, 30 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: you got forty was in wild horses and no one 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: can touch him. You've got two jaguars and ones dad, 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: and you guys got it all wrong. Um. So I 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: do have some good things to talk about down here. 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Like I came down here my first ever successful coups 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: deer hunt was in Arizona, very much, very much. I 36 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: have to thank for that, you guys very own outdoorsmans 37 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: the store if you ever go down there. Those boys 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: lined me out on it. And I came down here 39 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: for my first two very unsuccessful mountain lion hunts. Um. 40 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: And so I'll always remember you guys for that. And 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: I thought of you guys earlier. Yes, I guess I 42 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: got the email yesterday but didn't read it till today, 43 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: and I thought you because I was reading about this 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: new thing that just came out about Neanderthals. Now that 45 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: I think of you guys in deaner Thals, but check 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: me out. They just recently in Germany found this fallow 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: deer carcass from a hund twenty thousand years ago that 48 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: had very peculiar injuries on the deer, and they realized 49 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: that a Neanderthal had killed it with a low velocity spear, 50 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: which implies that the Neanderthal and they recreated on other animals, 51 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: they're able to recreate the injuries, and it was from 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: a sharpened wooden spear, and it was a low velocity impact, 53 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: meaning that it wasn't like he hucked it, he jabbed it. 54 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: And the angle and they feel that he jabbed with 55 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: an underhand motion. So everybody has his idea in the 56 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: Nderthal is like knuckle draggers, right, they don't know what's 57 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: going on, but this opens up the idea that they 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: were doing some kind of coordinated hunting activities, like they're 59 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: working together and using concealment and getting up very close 60 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: to a foul deer to where a guy could just 61 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: go pop and kill it and um so, which means 62 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: they are working as a team. And I'm telling you 63 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: what in Arizona, Like, I think it's because the way 64 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: they do tag draws here. When a guy draws a 65 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: tag in Arizona, he goes with twelve guys and half 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: the firebarner were There's like when I'm looking at a 67 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: hunt magazine and I see like some dude with some 68 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: giant mule doing there's like fifty guys lined up behind 69 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: them on their camel. I'm like, that's Arizona, man, I 70 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: guarantee it, you know. So I do appreciate the camaraderie. 71 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: Everybody gets one burger, yeah, exactly, we need to buy 72 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: it up. It's like I got my share in my 73 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: front pocket. So I've always appreciated about that. Like when 74 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: someone has it's like you know, when your house is 75 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: on fire and expect everybody to come running. When someone 76 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: in the Arizona draws a tag, it's like I'm in 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: and you guys head out. I want to hit some introductions. 78 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: So Lavin Eagle, you're honest, who tell us everyone knows 79 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: yournice and then on rare occasion, my big brother Matt 80 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: will join. And then we have uh Dr Carl Malcolm 81 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: who's been on a number of times and always comes 82 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: and brings his expertise to us. So thank you. But yeah, 83 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: first question for you guys, can you talk a little bit? 84 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: I just want people understand a little like, like like the 85 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: kinds of things you look at. Yeah, I'm a research 86 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: ecologist for U. S D. A. Um. I when you 87 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: probably think of an ecologist to think of somebody's outside 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: looking at birds and plants and bees and stuff like that. 89 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: But really what I do on a daily basis and 90 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: administer grants and write computer code and do statistics. So 91 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of a geeky kind of a science 92 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: guy that sits at a desk. I guess, um, can 93 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: you can you ever hear him? Okay, it sound like 94 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: to me it sounds like not loud. Now you're you're good, Drew. 95 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: Can you start projecting from my bowels like acting student? Um? Yes, 96 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: a lot of statistics and Carl, do you want to 97 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: break it down? Yeah? So also an ecologist. Um. Rather 98 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: than doing a lot of research as an ecologist, what 99 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: I do is a lot of trying to apply the 100 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: best available science that other people are producing to wildlife management, 101 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: wildlife survey question. So kind of a tech transfer position. 102 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: But I also get to do a lot of teaching. UM. 103 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: Had a chance to work with the Forest Services International 104 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Programs doing some wildlife ecology trainings in places like Russia, 105 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: to get a chance to travel internationally UM and then 106 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: one of the coolest things, one of the things I 107 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: like most is opportunities to try to communicate about the 108 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: significance of the work that we do to the people 109 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: for whom we actually work, which are the American people. 110 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: You know. I like to think about working for an 111 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: agency as being a career that you should feel very grateful, 112 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: were very privileged, and very service oriented. So when I 113 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: meet people for the first time and the like who 114 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: do you work for? I like to say, well, I 115 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: work for you, work for all of you. You know, 116 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: you guys are my boss and uh as things, you know, 117 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: we have new chiefs come in, we have new administrations 118 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: come in. Things change over time, but the one consistent 119 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: fact is that public services employees and agencies like the U. 120 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: S d A Forest Service work for the American people. 121 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: So I work for all of you trying to help 122 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: care for the single greatest public land system on the planet. Uh, 123 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: this guy needs a new drink, Carl. So with that, 124 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: I wanna now you understand that I want to bring 125 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: up something that recently happened to me where on a 126 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: previous show. I yeah, you guys don't want a hell 127 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: of a lot of turkeys, but you want some turkeys 128 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: in Arizona, right? So who everyone who was like hunted 129 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: turkeys just do like a yup. Oh really got you 130 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: guys all wrong. So one day I was like, anyone 131 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: who hunt Turvey's lot knows that the thing is that 132 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: everythinks is gonna happen is you're gonna set up and 133 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: call one off a tree and he's gonna come running 134 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: over to you. And one day I was like, looking 135 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: at how many times you try to do that and 136 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: how many times it actually happens? And I got the 137 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: wondering if if it's if it's any better than just 138 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: sitting there and not doing anything and waiting to see 139 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: if one comes by you, Like, what what are the 140 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: odds that one would come by you? And a guy 141 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: came up with this, You guys, I can't see this, 142 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: but He came up with this very elaborate formula that 143 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: explains that if you get a hundred yards from a 144 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: bird in a roost tree, and you figured that you 145 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: got thirty yards of range that way and thirty yards 146 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: of range that way, you have a nine point four 147 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: percent chance that the bird will just naturally come by you, 148 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: Which winds up for me calling in the question like 149 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: what exactly I was doing out in the woods that 150 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: whole time, because I don't old that I've even hit 151 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: like I'm doing like probably like slightly better than what 152 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: I would do if I just sat in the woods 153 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: by all the antics and all the calling. But I 154 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: showed us to Carl and you, um, you were you 155 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: gave him a for effort. I'm giving this guy in 156 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: a with an opportunity for extra credit, all right because 157 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: his math is sound. Um. I feel like, remember when 158 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: you're in like junior high high school, you're in some 159 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: dry math lecture and they give you a word problem. 160 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: I feel like if one of my teachers would have 161 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: given me this particular word problem, like spelling it out. 162 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: You're this many yards from the tree, you can shoot 163 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: this far in any direction. What's the likelihood of killing 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: a turkey. My attention would have perked up in a 165 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: big way in that class. I've been like, all right, 166 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm ready for some math. Let's do this. So there's 167 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: probably gonna be a lower volume yep here, but how 168 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: many people remember from your trigonometry class? So cut toa yep, 169 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: all right, that's a dude, Sokata no um sokotoa. That 170 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: was a Japanese philosopher. Now this pertains to write triangles 171 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: and how you calculate um. You can calculate the degrees 172 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: of a given angle based on knowing the ratio of 173 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: length two where the right corner is in the triangle, 174 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: and you can use either the sign function, the cosign function, 175 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: or the tangent function. And so this guy basically did 176 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: a really cool little formula, very simple, very straightforward. It 177 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: gives you an answer um about the likelihood given some 178 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: assumptions of a turkey randomly walking past you. I'm not 179 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: disagreeing with any of that, But when you emailed me this, 180 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: I said, it looks like his math is sound, but 181 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: what matters is whether or not you care about killing 182 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: the turkey, because in his in his language, he says, 183 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: here's a function that will tell you the likelihood of 184 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: the turkey walking past you, not the likelihood of you 185 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: killing the turkey, and those are two very different things. 186 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: Anybody ever have a turkey like walk within range that 187 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: didn't end up getting shot? Yep, yeah I have. Alright, 188 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: So for extra credit, again, I'm not knocking this guy's math. 189 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: I think he did a very sound job. He would 190 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: factor in all. You know. There's a couple of variables. 191 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: And to back me up, I'm gonna go to the 192 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: single greatest turkey hunting book ever written by anyone, which 193 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: we talk about often on this year program, tenth Legion, 194 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: Colonel Tom Kelly. All right, so for starters, if you 195 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: want to kill the bird, and I'm going to the 196 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: techniques chapter here, I'm gonna quote the colonel number one. 197 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: What you are interested in here is not shotgun artistry, 198 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: but the simple delivery of a charge of shot. A 199 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: delivery affected often through a hole the size of a grapefruit, 200 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: or through a slit like the crack between two loosely 201 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: fitting barn doors. You normally only have to deliver it once, 202 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: and except to ease the cramped position you may be 203 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: delivering it from, you seldom have to do it in 204 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: a hurry. So what the colonel is getting at here 205 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: is that oftentimes the bird might be in range, you 206 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: simply don't have a shot. So the first challenge I 207 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: would put to this listener is to come up with 208 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna call a visibility correction factor. So you 209 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: could imagine theoretically the difference between sitting, for example, in 210 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: the middle of an agricultural field, with turkeys walking by 211 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: you at thirty yards hi VCF hi VCF visibility correction factor. 212 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: I like it you're tracking, and you can imagine being 213 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: on a real flat surface, or you could imagine being 214 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: in a relatively hilly landscape where maybe the turkey has 215 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: the ability to drop down out of sight or thickly 216 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: vegetat did Okay, So there's got to be some function 217 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: that this trigonometry expert can come up with that would 218 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: correct for differences in visibility, which is gonna pertain to 219 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: whether or not that turkey ends up in your bag 220 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: or hoffing for the next ridge. Okay, there's one suggestion. Again, 221 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: this is extra credit because the math is sound, all right. 222 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: The next one pertains to a very important skill set 223 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: that I think only a small number of turkey hunters 224 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: have mastered all right. And the kernel in tenth Legion 225 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: talks about being being seated such that both knees are 226 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: bent and propped up in front of you, high enough 227 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: to make your gun assuming angle of forty five degrees. 228 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: You've achieved this position for several reasons. It lets you 229 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: keep the gun partially presented all the time. It is 230 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: as comfortable as any If a turkey approaches from your left, 231 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: he is under the gun. And if he comes from 232 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: directly in front of you, you can ease the gun 233 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: from your left kneedier right and at the proper time 234 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: slouched down even lower, and let the barrel down until 235 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: it bears. Now imagine this, everybody. The direction you are 236 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: facing is considered to be twelve o'clock straight ahead. And 237 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: the colonel was a right handed man, a turkey gobbler, 238 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: who has been keeping you pinned down for an hour 239 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: and a half steps around an oak tree in plain 240 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: sight at thirty yards at quarter after three. If you 241 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: were at quarter to nine, skill and intelligence would have 242 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: again trumped over ignorance and superstition. But he ain't okay, 243 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: So the colonel goes on to say, there's two ways 244 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: you can kill this turkey over here at quarter after three. 245 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: The first one is, if you are a practicing voodoo 246 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: witch doctor, you can strike him dead with a glance. 247 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: It goes on to say, it's a wonderful way to 248 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: kill him. Not only does it save shells, which are 249 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: so expensive nowadays, but it does not spoil the meat. If, however, 250 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: you are a mere mortal not skilled in witchcraft or 251 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: spells or incantations, you can do one other thing. You 252 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: can very very slowly, one inch at a time, carefully 253 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: change hands, bring the gun up to the left shoulder, 254 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: squinch up your right eye, look down the barrel, and 255 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: bust him right where he stands, in the plain, old fashioned, 256 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: expensive way the rest of us do with the shotgun. 257 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: So the next variable is what I'm going to call 258 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: the Kelly factor. Yeah, can the shooter pull off what 259 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: he's talking about and shoot ambidextrous lee? Can they shoot 260 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: everything from nine o'clock to three o'clock what Colonel Kelly 261 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: calls turning three o'clock birds into nine o'clock birds. And 262 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: so the other extra credit opportunity for this listener would 263 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: be figuring in the Kelly factor, what was his dude's 264 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: name Adam d Noack. Got more work to do, more 265 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: work to do? Uh another like slightly like a numbers 266 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: question for you guys, Matt, I won day mutilated something 267 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: you were saying about how many stars there how many 268 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: planets there are? We're like being interested in animals kind 269 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: of up. I'm sorry, some something's gonna bug me for 270 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: the rest of the night if I don't say now, 271 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: and then Adam's gonna email me and be like, dude, 272 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: come on. When he first showed up and gave us 273 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: those pieces of paper, he said, this is in like 274 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: a perfect scenario. You're pretty much like working a bird 275 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: coming off of a single oak tree and you've got 276 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: no other you know, no vegg around, you know, nothing 277 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: rolling at all. He gave the answer to the toy problem, 278 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: which is like an excellent starting point. Yeah, exactly, dude, 279 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm not knocking, so I'm just saying that he kind 280 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: of already gotten something credit. He did not say anything 281 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 1: about the Kelly Kelly factor. Yeah, yeah, but your thing was, 282 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: but all the birds that just fly off, there's that too. 283 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: There's also there's also the CSTB factor. CSTV can't can't 284 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: see the beard. Oh, that's good. That's good, And there's 285 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: a there's another variable to play. One of the assumptions 286 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: would be that the turkey has not detected you on 287 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: your approach, because you're making this assumption that you know 288 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: degrees in a circle, and he's saying random chance that 289 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: bird could go any direction. But it's pretty darn hard 290 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: to get in on a bird and not tip your 291 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: hand at least a little bit to the fact that 292 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: you're there in the woods. So there's some assumptions that 293 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: play here. I'm not giving the guy anything less than 294 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: an and just saying anything like now I was I'm 295 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: getting that framed and hanging out my wall, and nothing 296 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: you're saying is maybe not want to hand. He gave 297 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: a very elegant solution to the basic I like it. Yeah, Uh, 298 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: being interested in animals, I'm interesting the idea of other 299 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: animals on other planets. This comes up often, and uh, 300 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: one day I was saying something like one day I 301 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: was talking about saying my brother, this guy here, I 302 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: was saying, he was telling me that, considering how many 303 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: other planets there are, you were like, I'm pretty open 304 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: to the idea that there is an eight foot wookie 305 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: who hangs out with a smuggler, like and a dude 306 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: wrote in and he goes, you know how many are there? 307 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: Because I've heard that there are many as many planets 308 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: as there are grains of sand on Earth. Yeah, well 309 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: I I heard this. I heard a podcast not long 310 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: ago with a physicist and he was saying that, like, theoretically, 311 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that there are so many um possibilities 312 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: for life in the universe that there's probably like somebody, 313 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: a group of an ensemble of people somewhere that look 314 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: exactly like all of us talking about you. First, you'd 315 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: come across the scene where everybody is doing like we're doing, 316 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: and it's all exactly the same, except us has a 317 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: green shirt. But then if you go further, the chance 318 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: that a turkey walks past you. But yeah, so there's 319 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: this idea that's floating around that's avant garde and physics. 320 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: Now that you know, if you're willing to look far enough, 321 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: you could find this and not just a wookie. Okay, 322 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: another statistics one. And you kind of talked about this early, 323 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: And I really want to get into this because this 324 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: is something that comes up with people all the time 325 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: having another encounters with grizzly bears, and I always felt 326 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: like like I had in my head to be that man, 327 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: it seems like it's heading, it's leading somewhere, like this 328 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: is going somewhere that every time you know you go 329 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: in the woods, it feels like you're going to the 330 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: grizzly bear areas. It feels like it's just heading in 331 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: a direction. And then this October we had like a 332 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: really like like a big mix up with a bear 333 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: and there was a really real close call and there 334 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: was physical contact, uh, with a big brown bear. And 335 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: I later said, like, I feel like I was going 336 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: down a canyon wall wondering where the bottom was, and 337 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: that I had found the bottom now that that was 338 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: where this was headed and now there's no way it 339 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: could get worse. And I was now climbing out of 340 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: the canyon wall, and three different guys rode in to 341 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: say that uh, And I was just expressing kind of 342 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: like how I felt. But three different guys rode in 343 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: to say that what you're committing is something called the 344 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: gam There's fallacy, or the Monte Carlo fallacy, or the 345 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: fallacy of the maturity of chances, which he pointed out. 346 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: One of the guys pointed out tends to afflict people 347 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: who are involved in tag draws, big game tag draws. 348 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: And this is something I've asked you, Matt about a 349 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: thousand times, is how does one call like I used 350 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: to feel like I'd be like, okay, if there's a 351 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: chance to draw on a tag, right, I'd be like, oh, yeah, 352 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: in four years, I'll have that bit right, which isn't 353 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: how it works. Can you Can you span on this 354 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: for a minute. It's a lot to expand on there. 355 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's a lot to explore. Their probabilities 356 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: are not intuitive miracle objects. Um. First of all, like 357 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: this idea that you had that when when you're your 358 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: analogy about descending a slope and I'm assuming your meaning 359 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: that you felt like the likelihood that you were going 360 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: to get attacked was increasing. Yeah, like the more exposure, 361 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: the greater the chance the attack. And then I feel 362 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: like the attack happened, and I was like, oh, so 363 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: there I've happened, and and now I just feel like 364 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: it won't. Yeah, I can see what I've never heard 365 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: it called the gambler's fallacy before, But I can see 366 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: where I mean because gamblers are guilty of that, and 367 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: source sports enthusiasts like my team is due, I'm due 368 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: for it. It's kind of a it's a more it's 369 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: it's it's less intuitive way then of thinking, then just 370 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: straightforward induction. Induction is when you think that the future 371 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: is probably gonna resemble the past. It's more of like 372 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: a counter and auctionist standpoint, where me like, I never draw. Yeah, 373 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems more logical to me to think 374 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: the more um occurrences I have of not getting attacked 375 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: by a bear, the more that should assure me that 376 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get attacked by a bear. Right, 377 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: you have some prior probability belief about how before you 378 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: ever go on the mountains, about likelihood that you're gonna 379 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: get attacked by a bearon, and it seems logical you 380 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: would adjust that probability by you know, lowering it each 381 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: time you step forward in the woods and don't get 382 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: attacked by a bear, because I now feel like it's 383 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: gonna happen again. You're like, no, this is the You're 384 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: an inductivist. You're an inductive as straight inductivists, which that 385 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: makes more sense to me. Um. But then the logical fails. 386 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: So you can see where it falls apart where it's 387 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: not applicable with tag draws in general, like this notion 388 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: that your due carries weight when they're preference points as 389 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: there normally is, there's a reason to believe your due 390 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: um And then you know these like the logical fallacy thing. 391 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the people. It's when the draws 392 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: are independent, like you were saying earlier. You know, like 393 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: when you're taking marbles out of the urn and then 394 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: putting them back and drawing again. But if you get 395 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: attacked by a bear. Let's say you hunt the same 396 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: place for twenty years and then you get attacked by 397 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: a bear, I mean, it gets complicated. Maybe that doesn't 398 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: up the probability that you think the next time you're 399 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: gonna go in there that you're gonna get attacked again, 400 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: because maybe they killed that bear and it was the 401 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: only bear in the area. So can you real quick breakdown. 402 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if they might get at all talking 403 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: about what you were wanting. You talked about part of it, 404 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: but the other problem I wanted to talk about is 405 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: I think just real quick because that may explain this 406 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: to me and relieving some tensions. I felt of its 407 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: explained to me for the viewers benefit, the listeners benefit. 408 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: What happens when you're repeatedly going in for things that 409 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: you think you have a ten percent chance of? Okay, 410 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: like how those numbers relate. So we talked about this 411 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: a little bit, because what am I say, Like, if 412 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: you're a you have a one percent chance of dying 413 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: in a small airplane crash, that doesn't mean that I'm 414 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: the hundred flight. No. Probabilities don't add, they multiply. So 415 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: if you let's just make it as super simple as 416 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: simple as we can. There's no preference points. Okay, So 417 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: it's New Mexico and you put in for a tag, 418 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: we'll right, well, we're gonna divide two variables. And this 419 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: sounds gonna sound complicated, but it's not. Q is the 420 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: probability that you don't draw the tag? Okay, if you 421 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: ever finding in for your putting in for what are 422 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the what are the odds gonna be the you work with? Oh, 423 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give you the answer. I have to 424 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: get my calculator. I'm just gonna give you the formula 425 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: for yourself. I was gonna make an animal. I was 426 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: gonna have it be that we're trying to get an 427 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: animal tag. Um, so the probability, well, we can do that, 428 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: we can do this. So let's say that, um, the 429 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: probability that you don't draw the tag is okay, so 430 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: super super nice LK unit in New Mexico. Yeah, so 431 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: if you put in one once, what's the probability that 432 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: you draw the tag once? If you put in twice, 433 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: it's one minus point nine raised the number of times 434 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: you drew. What's that one minus point eight one? It's 435 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: one night, it's nineteen percent, so you've jumped up the nineteen. 436 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: But then if you put it in again, it's um 437 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: four times, it's thirty six at sixty four. So there's this. 438 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: It never there's it never degrades to a zero percent 439 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: chance that you don't draw, or that you never achieves, 440 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: never achieve. And this is all looking into the future. Right. 441 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: You could say, all right, if I apply for the 442 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: next five or ten or fifteen years, here's my percent 443 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: given all those opportunities. But then next year when you 444 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: apply and don't draw, you're back at a new starting point. Right, 445 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: because their memory lists because they had like there has 446 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: no memory like when you flip a coin, like the 447 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: next point you want, it doesn't want what happened with 448 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: the first point. So the formula is, like I said, 449 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: Q is the percent chance you don't draw it, and 450 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: is the number of times you've been so one minus 451 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: q to the power end. Yep, that's right. How how 452 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: do you guys? This has nothing to do with this 453 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: has nothing to do what we've been talking about. But 454 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: let's be curious because this is the thing that someone 455 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: wonders about and and and it's an interesting question when 456 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: you're out hunting with other people. What are the things 457 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: that you consider when you consider like who's up? Because 458 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: I've done everything from drawing straws that just having a 459 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: sort of like really like complex understanding of what's going on, 460 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: that sort of like what's happened in people's past, what 461 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: sorts of opportunities they've fielded, how far did they come? 462 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: Who's this seem like more special to? And you arrive 463 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: at like you know what, if we find one, you 464 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: go ahead, Thanks, man, you've done. How do you guys 465 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: work that out? Because you said something to me one time, 466 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: you were saying something to me like a problem with 467 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: that you like to hunt by yourself, which I'm gonna 468 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: talk about a little bit. You Matt like to hunt 469 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: by yourself, And you're saying because I never have to 470 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: wonder who's up right, Oh, it's a source of attention. Sure, 471 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: but I would agree you you you described it very well, 472 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: all those like background considerations of well you missed that 473 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: nice one last year and it's been a few years 474 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: and I got one. But I've been working way harder 475 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: and this is first time. Oh he doesn't deserve it, 476 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: it's my spot. Yeah, but he kind of suggested I 477 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: ought to go look here right right. So I've hunted 478 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: more with the honest last few years than anyone, and 479 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: you be honestly, I kind of just take turns like 480 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: it feels like they we're gonna go after something. And 481 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: I was the one in front last time, so yeah, 482 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: you'll be and that seems to work all good. I'm 483 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: still mad that I'm not the one up from but 484 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: so out of YouTube, who's up front right now? Oh? 485 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: Clearly med? Yeah, so you guys got it worked out. 486 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: Who's up just this was a crucial conversation. I wasn't 487 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: playing and I have it on stage, but I'm glad 488 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: to have it, glad to have it. So it's like 489 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: in your mind, you know that this is something that 490 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: has to be sorted out. I was, well, usually happens 491 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: because he gets into the woods a week ahead of me, 492 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: and so by the time I get there, it's just like, hey, 493 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: I got one down, let's go pack it out. I'm like, 494 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: all right, sweet, got here just in time. And then 495 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: I get to it's my turn after that. So do 496 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: you any any special I had had a couple. Um. 497 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: I think the seniority thing is a big one. You know, 498 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: we talked about trying to get new people in the field, 499 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: and I think given like repeated opportunities to somebody who's new, 500 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense to this idea of seniority. Um. 501 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: I think it's super important to have this figured out 502 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,239 Speaker 1: in advance and then stay committed to it. I've been 503 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: in situations where taking somebody else out on a mule 504 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: deer hunt, for example, like you know, my little brother 505 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: his turn. Then I'm glass and just see a tanker 506 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: buck like that's his turn. You know, I gotta stick 507 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: with it. So like communicating in advance and then stick 508 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: with it. I think when you're glassing, some people will 509 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: go with whoever spots it gonna be their opportunity. Um, 510 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: I don't really, that's too I don't like that. Well 511 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: if you're if you're just too much like, yeah, I 512 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: saw it first. It seems like something my kids. It 513 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: seems like something like like how my kids will decide 514 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: who gets like a lot. Well, so imagine imagine you've 515 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: got like a good glassing spot with a bunch of 516 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: country to cover, and you go to two separate sides, right, 517 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: and I'm glassing in one spot, you're glassing in the other. 518 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, Option one is I glassing up? I'm like, oh, 519 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: it's Steve Stern, come take it. Or Option two is 520 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: whoever spots it goes for it. I'm just laying out option. 521 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: Let me tell you you're right, but you're wrong. Okay. 522 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: If I was hunting with you and we hadn't had 523 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: the discussion, which is I've been in that situation, hadn't 524 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: had the discussion, and we both like with you and me, 525 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like a big question like who got 526 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 1: what because we both have a lot of opportunities and 527 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: you said I'm out of here, I spotted it, I'd 528 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: be like, yes, correct, go yeah, but in the back 529 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: of my mind, I'd be like, that was kind of 530 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: a dicksh move. So even though he's got every right 531 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: that you you had, here's the thing everyone does this, 532 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: what do you think right? And you like know where 533 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: you wanted to go so bad and you've got in 534 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: your head you've got it sorted out, but you still 535 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: have the moll w where you give the guy the 536 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: chance to sink or swim. Yes, hunting with with Calahan, 537 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: we one time hadn't had the discussion at all until 538 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: we're looking at a nice buck almost in range and 539 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: we look at each other and it's just like this, 540 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's why we hadn't had to talk, and 541 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: that's when we drew straws. That's why I think in 542 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: a straightened out in advance makes sense. If you're gonna 543 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: do like a really sort of sharing partner approach where 544 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: you spotted deer, it's my turn, you let me go 545 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: after it. Let's just have that conversation in advance, stick 546 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, it's an awkward conversation, it is. But 547 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: then the last, the last one I would leave you 548 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: with on this topic is um, a guy who I 549 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: loved to hunt with this phenomenal mentor I had in 550 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: New Mexico. We haven't drawn in a couple of years. 551 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: Some reason to like past tense. He's still a guy 552 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: that I'm applying with, but he's a guy in his seventies. 553 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: UM names Dick Paulk phenomenal elk hunter. Grew up around 554 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: deming New Mexico guys just no is this stuff. And 555 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: I moved from the Midwest in New Mexico and this 556 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: guy took me under his wing. And I had very 557 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: limited elk hunting experience, and Dick is a very accomplished 558 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: elk hunter, and so he's very very picky. So we're 559 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: hunting together. And it was basically a scenario where if 560 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: he saw if he found a giant bull, he'd probably 561 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: want to go after it. If I found a giant bowl, 562 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: he'd want me to go after it. And on two 563 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: different occasions there were circumstances where he found a bowl 564 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: that he did not want to go after, but sent 565 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,479 Speaker 1: me after that bowl. And that guy, like, I will 566 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: forever remain in debt, and not just because he let 567 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: me go after the elk, because he just taught me 568 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: so much and was so generous with his expertise from 569 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,479 Speaker 1: like a lifetime of hunting in New Mexico. But it, 570 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, it does stand out when people take the 571 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: time to be generous with sharing those opportunities because every 572 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: everybody's working hard to have that golden chance and all 573 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: of us have a limited number of stocks to make 574 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful gift to give somebody, like, you 575 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: know what, you go for it. He was just adding 576 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: to the piggy bang because now every giant boy you spot, like, yeah, 577 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: he's like he knows how to game it out properly, 578 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: you know, thinking long game. Okay, a guy let's say, 579 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: let's just say, but there's a guy that lives in Georgia, 580 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: and let's say that in Georgia, it is not permissible 581 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: two hunt black bears using bait. It's not permissible to 582 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: hunt black bears using hounds. He gets the notice in 583 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: that man black bears. Sure, like for simmon trees, what 584 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: would happen to a fella say that He goes and 585 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: starts planting for simmon trees in the national Forest, knowing 586 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: that he's playing it. He's thing, he's playing a ten 587 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: year game here, and he wants to know morally, where 588 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: am I and legally where am I? I don't know 589 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: on legally, I think morally that's that's great. Like it's 590 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: it's like it's such a I mean, it's just such 591 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: a like long game and investment and kind of like 592 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm like please right, as though I had the ability 593 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: to say yes or no, but in my mind like yeah, 594 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: but where is he on the Where is this dude 595 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: on the legal end? You just go do like random 596 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: like civicultural activities on national forest land. Don't jump in here. 597 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I might ask this, because he 598 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: might because because he dabbles in the national force system 599 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: a little bit, like can the dude? Can the dude 600 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: do that? Like like I gotta plan a big berry 601 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: patch and then start hitting it. No, no, no, the 602 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: idea of like managing. He wanted to point out that 603 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm playing the l foul for something. 604 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: He wanted to point out that this is a native right, 605 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 1: I'm planning a native tree in its home range, which 606 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: he felt was a very important thing to throw in. 607 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: Let's just say, hypothetically speaking, I would not condone the 608 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: activity from a legal perspective. I think you could liken 609 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: it to any other manipulation of the national forest. Which 610 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: when we talk about doing any kind of vegetation management, 611 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: there is a public engagement process. People get to weigh in. 612 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: I know, we're just talking about a few trees here, 613 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: not likely to cause any big issues. But if you're 614 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: gonna be out there like digging holes in the ground, 615 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: you have to account for all the different values that 616 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: could be on the landscape. I want to make sure 617 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: you're not, for example, digging up an archaeological site. And 618 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: if you're gonna be manipulating vegetating, and there's a process 619 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: through which proposals like that would need to be vetted, 620 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: and you could like it. You know, you could carry 621 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: the logic fourth to a situation where somebody decides they 622 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: want to plan a food plot on the National Forest. 623 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: So you know, you could make the slippery slope argument. 624 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: If you allow this, then maybe you should allow the 625 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: next thing. Yeah, I got, I got the I'm a 626 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: sucker for slippery slope arguments, man, because like I do believe, 627 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: I do believe that the slope is slippery and in 628 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: almost all things, you know, like I'm that, I'm always 629 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: that's where my mind goes. I would plant a whole 630 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: truckload of par simmons. So I made sure there's plenty 631 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: of seeds germanate in a tree, and I just sit there, 632 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: make sure not an atom. Well, I want to point 633 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,479 Speaker 1: out that this guy, this hypothetical person uses um. He 634 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: has verbs. He's he's turned Johnny apple seed the noun 635 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 1: into a verb where he's gonna he's gonna Johnny apple 636 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 1: seed in area, which I like quite a bit. Okay, 637 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: another one, and this you can like. I don't know 638 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: if you want to share your I don't know if 639 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna want to share your story. But a guy, 640 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: let's say a guy goes out hunting and he makes 641 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: a hit on an anil, and he factors all the 642 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: factors in and decides he's not gonna push it till tomorrow. 643 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: He's gonna get up bright and squirrelly it's a cold 644 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: night and get up bright and squirreling. Track it then, 645 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: but he tracks it lo and behold it's been eaten 646 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: by kyles. He's wondering, what now is my relationship to 647 00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: the antlers. He's like, would you keep the antlers? I would, 648 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: but I would keep them as I would keep them 649 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: exactly for what they were like. I wouldn't feel I 650 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: don't think I would feel tempted to present them as 651 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: something they weren't like. I would be like, they'd be 652 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: sitting there where I keep that kind of stuff, and 653 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: I would say that people see that, well here's what happened, right, 654 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: I would like I would have them. They would be 655 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: emblematic of not quite getting it or you know what 656 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: I mean, they mean something, but they wouldn't mean would 657 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: have meant had I gotten it totally? You follow me totally? Yeah? Man? Yeah, 658 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: for me, it would be like, let's say I had 659 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: found it. I mean, if you if to me, if 660 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: you don't eat it, then it doesn't you can't. It's 661 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: not a point of pride. That's where you draw the line. 662 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: I mean, reasonable people can disagree. For me, it's gotta 663 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: be shot in public land, it's gotta be um and 664 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: it's and you gotta eat it. That I would I 665 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: would look at that rack was sorrow. I would take 666 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: it be more sorrow than but you would remove it 667 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: from the woods. Oh yeah, would you not a tag? M? No, No, 668 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I mean, like like like guys do that 669 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: out of pentance, you know. But I just I don't know, 670 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: like hunting seasonally comes once a year. You got anything 671 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: I got? Yeah, I mean i've I've you're alluding to 672 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: a story where I experienced something along these lines. Um 673 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: had an archery pronghorn hunt on the HeLa in New Mexico. 674 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm not praying, I'm not bullying you. No, thanks for 675 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: your concern. I've got my big boy britches on here. 676 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: Um Archie pronghorn hunt in the HeLa phenomenal prong ring country, 677 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 1: low down city, but some really nice box practiced all summer. 678 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: Had an opportunity at a great buck. I won't belabor 679 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: like the whole story of the stock and everything, but 680 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: bow hunting for pronghorn is inherently challenging. Hit this buck. 681 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: It looked like a good shot towards the end of 682 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: the day, and the buck ran off. Gave it some time, 683 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: and by the time I was going to go follow 684 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: the track, it had gotten dark, and so I went 685 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: in with a head lamp. And when I got to 686 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: the area where I picked up the blood, trail only 687 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: went maybe fourty or fifty yards, and then I just 688 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: heard all hell break loose up ahead of me on 689 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: the trail. Boves thunder and off, and so you know, 690 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: Midwest white tail guy. I thought maybe I jumped the buck, 691 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: and so I left and went back to my camp, 692 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,760 Speaker 1: and I said, all right, I'm gonna sit here till midnight, 693 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 1: which was gonna be another four hours, and at midnight 694 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back out here and resume tracking this buck. 695 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: And came back at midnight, parked my truck to start 696 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: hiking back into where the solid gone down, opened the door, 697 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: and the instant I opened the door, I could hear 698 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: the coyotes on the carcass just fighting and howling and 699 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: yapping and making all kinds of ruckus. So I didn't 700 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,919 Speaker 1: even like go to try to pick up the blood trail, 701 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: just walked towards the sound of this chaos. And the 702 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: sound that I had heard earlier had to have been 703 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: all the dos that had piled up where the buck 704 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: had gone down, because he only went like seventy five 705 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: yards where I've been hit. But by that point, basically 706 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: the back half was gone, the neck was chewed up, 707 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: the organs were all pulled out and eaten. So then 708 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: I commenced this was even the next morning. Now this 709 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: was that night. So I then commenced to salvaging what 710 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: meat I could off that animal, which was half a 711 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: backstrap on each side, UM, some neck meat, most of 712 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: the shoulders, and this was a really like prong horn 713 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: of a lifetime kind of animal. UM. And so I, 714 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, I took the head as well. And later 715 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: on that season my wife ended up getting a really 716 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: nice buck where I was able to take the cape 717 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: to mount the horns of this buck that I had 718 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: gotten with my bow right, and it has a different 719 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: kind of feel to it than it would had I 720 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: managed to salvage every ance of meat off that animal, 721 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, And it was your house, and the dude 722 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: comes up and does as dudes do where they kind 723 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: of come over and stare at it, and it invites 724 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: you to say, like, oh, I tell him, I tell 725 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: him the story. And so the mistake I made, I mean, 726 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: it was a good shot. The mistake I made. You know, 727 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: people talk about how easily prong horn go down. There's 728 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: no mistake, I don't think, well in hindsight. Hindsight being um, 729 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: I wish I would have just followed up because all 730 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: the does ran off the buck was laying there. He 731 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: would have been totally untouched at that point. But it's 732 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: just a matter of a few hours. And the other 733 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: thing that was interesting about that was as it was 734 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: salvaging meat off that animal, the coyotes were still close 735 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: enough yapping at each other that I could hear him 736 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: yappen on either side of me, Like, and I'm sitting 737 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: there trying to carve meat off. And you know, I've 738 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: been around all kinds of wildlife, and I know coyotes 739 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: are not like a big scary animal, but the you know, 740 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: the hair on the back of my neck, just being 741 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: out there in the dark with this carcass like carbon 742 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: meat off with you because it's the object of their desire. 743 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: There was definitely like this primal kind of vibe to it. 744 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: But I would I would agree, Yes, I would. I 745 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: would take the antlers or the horns with me. But 746 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: they almost become, especially if you lose all the meat, 747 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: they almost become like a token of sorrow and apology. 748 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: At that point in my mind, but why do we 749 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: keep these you know, the word trophies a really loaded word, right, Like, 750 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: why do we why do we keep any of these mementos? 751 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: It's about out the story. It's like, you know, somebody 752 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 1: buying a rack at a thrift store for forty bucks. 753 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: I just do not understand that. Like when you walk 754 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: into a cracker barrel and you see the deer on 755 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: the wall, right it's a hollow, No, then it means 756 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: there's gotta be some connection. But if a buddy mine 757 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: gave me something he found out in the woods, I 758 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: might hang onto it. But if I would never buy 759 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: something I would never like at a yard sale, buy 760 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: something that someone found out in the woods with a 761 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: guy kind of knew. Even if my buddy's buddy found 762 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 1: something weird out in the woods, I might hang onto 763 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: it because at least it felt like somehow there's a connection. Yeah, 764 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: and it could get to be kind of a loose connection. 765 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,359 Speaker 1: But recently a guy gave me a hunk of uh, 766 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: a little chunk of a mammoth tusk. But I didn't 767 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: know him and didn't even catch his name. And that 768 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: hunk of mammoth tusk doesn't mean a fraction to me. 769 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: What a mammoth tooth that was given to me by 770 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: a buddy mine? Yeah, because I can look look at 771 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: it and a right, it's you can't even put you 772 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: you can't even really like put your finger on it. 773 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: But there's some sort of there, there's like a there's 774 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: simple rich things, wildlife relics. It doesn't have to be positive, 775 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,800 Speaker 1: is the point I'm making. Like most of the time 776 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: we associate these things with positive, like almost unequivocally positive experiences. 777 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,760 Speaker 1: But I think there's no reason you couldn't have something 778 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: that reminds you of a very significant, somber experience that 779 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,399 Speaker 1: you've had. And I don't think it makes it any 780 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: any less significant. But it's a very different kind of 781 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 1: a totem at that point. But it but it opens 782 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: up like what happens when a dude goes into some 783 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: little hunted acre enclosure, you know, and arrows some four 784 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: bowl that he bought off a guy. Um, he's willable. 785 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: Was that cracker barrel ball? I mean just like you know, 786 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,280 Speaker 1: like like I said, you just have some small inclosure. 787 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: They raise him up with a bottle and eventually they 788 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: let some guy go to pretend to hunt one. When 789 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: he hangs it up, he knows, but he's just in 790 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: it for the He's just in it for the perception, 791 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: the false perception. People see it and they're like, oh, 792 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: this has a rich symbolism that I know to be true, 793 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: and that person is putting it forward as because he 794 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 1: just wants to harness the adoration, but personally he knows. 795 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,800 Speaker 1: So there is like different ways that different people handle 796 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: the question. He's like, yeah, I know, but you don't know. 797 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: And that makes me feel good, you know. Do you 798 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: think it really does? Though? Do you think that really 799 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: makes it? Just said it didn't It wouldn't be something 800 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: that happened. But Matt talked about have you you haven't 801 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: taught about this with this before? When you had the 802 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: bear steal your elk? Can you tell that story? Um? Yeah, 803 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: A few years ago, I was hunting and uh by 804 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: himself and I shot shot elk and um took it apart, 805 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: and it was by the time I took it part, 806 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: it was dark, and um, I had a couple of 807 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 1: miles back to my camp and I just was out 808 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: of steam, so I didn't try to get it in 809 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: a tree or anything. And the next day I came 810 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: up and tried to get up early in the morning 811 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: try to get back up to it, and it had 812 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 1: been a baird found it and buried about buried it all, 813 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: destroyed about half of it and like an area both 814 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: as big as the stage. It looked like a d 815 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: N I and Cat had gone through it. I don't know. 816 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: There was a lot of surplus digging that scene and 817 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: going like it like he was doing an extra diggy. Yeah, 818 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: but he sucked back the boneless, sucked back the bone 819 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: was meet and buried the bone in. Yeah, yeah, pretty 820 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 1: much like I got the back quarters off of it, 821 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: and I can't remember and other other little bits and pieces. 822 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: I figure I lost about half And remember saying you 823 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 1: took it down to the river and wash it off 824 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: and loaded on your line, and then I, you know, 825 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: I take that And I was like that, I'm not 826 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: gonna um not take that and have it be my 827 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: elk for the year. So when you look at that, uh, 828 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: do you look at that like man, that was shitty luck? 829 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,919 Speaker 1: Do you look at it like lesson learned? I got 830 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: lazy now? Um yeah, I would never leave an elk 831 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,320 Speaker 1: on the ground in that in grizzly country again overnight 832 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: I sold it. Yeah, that was very just a very 833 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: practical lesson. I drive. I didn't like beat myself up 834 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: about it too much. But and you hung the antlers. 835 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: It was a cow, so you need you don't need 836 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: you need to wrestle with that one though. Just keep 837 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: the ivories. I did keep the ivories, so I wanted 838 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 1: to ask you about ivories. Are you cool on that? Uh? 839 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: Get more Dad. You know, I lost the very first 840 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: elk I ever shot at law To. He killed him 841 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: and couldn't find him, and they found him like two 842 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: weeks later with the bear on top of it, and 843 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: there's no salvaging whatsoever. And I got the antlers and 844 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: I was, I don't know, nineteen or twenty. I was. 845 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: I was really even too young to wrestle with it. 846 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: But looking back on it now, it's funny because if 847 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: we've had this conversation, I haven't thought about it prior 848 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,720 Speaker 1: to to right now. But um, I remember taking pictures 849 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: of like we actually went into the woods and I 850 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: had some buddies taking pictures, you know, of the antlers 851 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 1: with me. I did it. I did that, but I 852 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,760 Speaker 1: remember having like now looking back on it, I wasn't. Um. 853 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 1: It definitely was just different. Like I didn't have the 854 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: excitement that I you know, later did when I went 855 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: out and killed my first elk and I watched him 856 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: fall over dead. You know. Yeah, Uh, show everybody your 857 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: wedding ring, Matt, It's a genuine, a genuine elk ivory ring. 858 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:07,879 Speaker 1: M Um. Do you feel that, like, what is that? Like? 859 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 1: Why that right for a wedding ring? It just seemed 860 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: like the default. Like my wife and I his first 861 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,799 Speaker 1: date was it was elk hunting and she was with 862 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: me and helped me pack this alcohol. It was like 863 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,439 Speaker 1: it was I didn't even ever really consider a different thing. 864 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:34,400 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, they say that those the ivories, uh 865 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 1: our vestigial right, yeah, vestigial tusks. Elk had six to 866 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: eight inches six to eight inch tusk. Yep, it's hard 867 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: to picture. Well, it's not that hard to picture when 868 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: you think about other deer of the world. You got 869 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 1: miniature versions elsewhere on the global landscape. To have a 870 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,720 Speaker 1: toss for fighting or fighting, yep. Yeah. Typically the males 871 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: will be significantly larger than the females us so it's 872 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 1: got antlers and in a wild hog tusk not necessarily 873 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,959 Speaker 1: even antlers. So for example, in China, in the area 874 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: where I did some of my asiatic BlackBerry research, they 875 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: have a little diminutive deer that they called the munt 876 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: jack or the barking deer. Yeah, I've seen that. And 877 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:27,800 Speaker 1: they've got they've got tusks, um, and and they vocalize. 878 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,879 Speaker 1: I mean, being a midwe you know, a Michigan kid 879 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,799 Speaker 1: in China for the first time where you have just 880 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: like seven different ungulates running around on the landscape blows 881 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: your mind. You see a little deer the size of 882 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,440 Speaker 1: a small dog jump on a log and start barking 883 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 1: at you. Just what is this place? But yeah, they've 884 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 1: got they've got fangs. Um. Chinese water deer have fangs. 885 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like the the antlers on elk have 886 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: gotten bigger, the tusks have gotten smaller. But yeah, it 887 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 1: would have been for for fighting. And there's some behavior 888 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,239 Speaker 1: when when bulls are in their aggressive mode, not just 889 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 1: when they're bugling, but when they're posturing, they'll do this 890 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 1: thing maybe you guys have seen it, where they'll they'll 891 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: like lift there, lift their lips and show their their 892 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,479 Speaker 1: whistlers a little bit, or show their ivories. Yeah, they'll 893 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 1: do that kind of posturing still, so it's like a 894 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: behavioral relic from back in the day when they'd be 895 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: showing each other their tusks. The thing I wonder about 896 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: elk ivories is this is liking ivories learned or would 897 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,239 Speaker 1: people independently arrive at the fact that elk ivories were cool? 898 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's guy. It's like a thing in the 899 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: top of the elk's malt that's made out of actual ivory. 900 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,399 Speaker 1: It seems like people independently arrive at It's not like 901 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: elk hunters of this era who are thinking it's cool. 902 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: And it's something that's been cool for a real long time. 903 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,080 Speaker 1: People have always recognized it as cool. Right, But you 904 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: can still see where you maybe your hypothesis would be 905 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: correct with It's like a legacy of liking at the 906 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: that was just never disconnected, it's all. But it seems 907 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: like they would you'd independently arrive at that think thinking 908 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. Do you guys think that, uh 909 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: the a vegan you can drink breast milk. That was 910 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,560 Speaker 1: a terrible second. I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give 911 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: you a zero one to ten scale. Speaking. I feel 912 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: like I do some polished segues now and then, and 913 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: I just have the energy shot we expect more, Yeah, 914 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: because like I just I just I don't know. Speaking 915 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,959 Speaker 1: of vestigial tusks, I want to bring it up because 916 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: a guy uh wrote in who who works with a 917 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: vegan and knows that they breastfeed their kid and doesn't 918 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,960 Speaker 1: want to ask them? But like, isn't that not like 919 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 1: if the thing? If the definition right? What is the 920 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,720 Speaker 1: definition of a vegan? Alright? The definition of a vegan 921 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,840 Speaker 1: is someone who does not consume or use and I 922 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 1: consume I mean ingest or otherwise use an animal product. 923 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 1: Without getting into the the house of wise, yeah, just 924 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,240 Speaker 1: do you or do you not? It's not a question 925 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: of like your your ethics. It's a simple do you 926 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,320 Speaker 1: or do you not consumer otherwise use animal products? It 927 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: seems like there's no way that that person is a vegan, 928 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: because what he's pointing out is if everyone starts out 929 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: like if you if you are vegan, and you're like, 930 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: you don't use honey because of the subjugation of bees. 931 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,880 Speaker 1: You don't like, you don't use milk because of the 932 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,760 Speaker 1: subjugation of cows. But you grow up drinking breast milk 933 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 1: from your mother? Could you? You know? I'll point out 934 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,960 Speaker 1: just as a side note, I thought that like I've 935 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,920 Speaker 1: like at times I've had these like thresholds I wouldn't 936 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,040 Speaker 1: caught cross in terms of like what I've eaten. But 937 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,240 Speaker 1: then I was like served a domestic dog in Vietnam, 938 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: I was served a monkey in South America. So I like, 939 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: keep passing up the things I won't do. And the 940 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:19,080 Speaker 1: only frontier left right is the unmentionable eating a vegan. No, 941 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,720 Speaker 1: Like it's like the only one left is the one. 942 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,000 Speaker 1: And then when we started having kids, I had this idea, 943 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: like you could there's like a sanctionable form of cannibalism. 944 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 1: Would be the placenta, which people have? You had some? 945 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: We had the We sent ours away somewhere, then we 946 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 1: got back. Basically I would have done that myself. No, 947 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: they came back in pilform. I got a question, though, 948 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 1: So you shipped off a placenta in the mail and 949 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,000 Speaker 1: sixty eight weeks goes by, and here's the pill. Can 950 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: I ask a question? Alright? A thousand questions? All right? 951 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: So when I started deer hunting, I didn't have anybody 952 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 1: to teach me how to butcher. Is this a real 953 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,920 Speaker 1: bad sege? I didn't have everybody teach me how to 954 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,120 Speaker 1: how to butch your deer. But I cared for the 955 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: meat well and took it to a processor. And when 956 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: I got it back. Some of the meat it seemed 957 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,560 Speaker 1: pretty good. Other packages of meat seemed less. So where 958 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: this is going? So that was one of the motivations 959 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: for me to learn how to butcher my own dear, 960 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,320 Speaker 1: because I was concerned that if I sent my venis 961 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,280 Speaker 1: into a processor, how would I know I was getting 962 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 1: my dear back, let alone deer back. Some pro you know, 963 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,360 Speaker 1: I'll point out some prod sessors are even open about 964 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they do come, but they badge it. 965 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: They badge, they badge your grind to check this out, like, like, 966 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:16,000 Speaker 1: do you have any worry that it wasn't your Like 967 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 1: there's some like some lady in Kansas, you know, and 968 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:26,520 Speaker 1: you're like eating her placenta. So but I don't understand 969 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: why why did you want it in a pill form? Anyway, 970 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: they the reason that they do it is the supposed 971 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be adding some sort of nuchans. It's 972 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 1: it's for the mother, right, because she's lost a lot 973 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: of blood she's lost through this whole process and and 974 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: re ingesting. It is supposed to help her out, right, 975 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: because in some in some cultures, you just like in 976 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,480 Speaker 1: some cultures where there's you know, I imagine like lower 977 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 1: quality food resources, it's pretty common to boil it needed. Yeah, 978 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,360 Speaker 1: well in Great Britain it was a fat for us. Yeah, 979 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,120 Speaker 1: but that's not the necessity one that throw it back. Yeah, 980 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,640 Speaker 1: So just because it was there, I was like, oh, yeah, 981 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,440 Speaker 1: have a couple see if I feel any different in 982 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: the morning. Did you feel like cannibally Did you feel 983 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 1: like a little bit cannibalish? No? Not, never crossed my mind. Yeah, 984 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 1: And I've talked a lot before. I liked to think 985 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,320 Speaker 1: of myself as the kind of guy that would drink 986 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: breast milk. And I bragged about how I was gonna 987 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 1: and that was what I was gonna do. But I 988 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,840 Speaker 1: couldn't chicken out. But you're honest, you would like before 989 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,480 Speaker 1: I ever met you. Yeah, yeah, you would lighten your 990 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:50,800 Speaker 1: coffee with the stuff I did that. I don't know, Like, 991 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna defend myself. I'm not gonna brag either, 992 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, if because I was at home with Ena 993 01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:01,080 Speaker 1: for about nine months or so, and so Jennifer and 994 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,680 Speaker 1: you finally want to tell all the details. But like, 995 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: if everybody knows that moms that are working and breastfeeding, 996 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pumping that goes on. So I 997 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,760 Speaker 1: was at home falling out. Yeah, it sounds just like 998 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: your turkey drumming, does know a turkey spits and drones 999 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 1: like this and the breast pump goes So I valued 1000 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 1: the work that she was doing. So i'd me thawing 1001 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: out bags, warming them up. Yeah, yah, YadA. Well sometimes 1002 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,920 Speaker 1: the kid, you know, you can only reheat it so 1003 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,880 Speaker 1: many times, and it's been so long, I can't remember 1004 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,400 Speaker 1: that the rules of you know, dealing with breast milk. 1005 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,920 Speaker 1: But at a certain point there's two ounces left and 1006 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 1: the kid's not gonna drink it half. No, I had 1007 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,920 Speaker 1: half and half the kid, the kids to sleep, and 1008 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 1: you can't put it in the fridge again. You can't 1009 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,600 Speaker 1: warm it up again, And so I'd say, God, what 1010 01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: a waste. I love it. It's like the fact that 1011 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it is a burden to me. It's 1012 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:09,720 Speaker 1: very sweet. It tastes like sugar laden milk. But to 1013 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,640 Speaker 1: return back this the question about granted, in all fairness, 1014 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,640 Speaker 1: if I was gonna ask like questions like like understanding 1015 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,720 Speaker 1: vegan questions, I should probably have, you know, take the 1016 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,240 Speaker 1: time to go ask someone who is right. This is 1017 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: like not accurate, but it's not the best way to 1018 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 1: go about this. But it does bring up this thing 1019 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: because I remember going to I remember going to a 1020 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Jewish scholar and asking about the Old Testament dietary law. 1021 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,280 Speaker 1: And in the Old Testament you would be like, it's say, um, 1022 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,880 Speaker 1: you know the stuff like only things with only things 1023 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,240 Speaker 1: with the cloven hoof, and we look now and like 1024 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,240 Speaker 1: in the prohibition not eating pork, for instance, okay, in 1025 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: the Old Testament, like don't eat pork, and we look 1026 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,439 Speaker 1: were like, oh, yeah, well, the reason they said don't 1027 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,800 Speaker 1: eat pork is because trick gnosis and other kinds of diseases. 1028 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,880 Speaker 1: So that's why that's in there. Like I know, that's 1029 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: why that's in there. But you go asking a scholar, 1030 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: and it was a believer in a scholar would say, 1031 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,280 Speaker 1: you don't know why God said that. It's not for 1032 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,720 Speaker 1: you to understand why he said it. He said it, 1033 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,200 Speaker 1: and that's the rule, and don't try to like guess 1034 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,840 Speaker 1: what the motivations were and then determined and now the 1035 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,360 Speaker 1: motivations aren't valid anymore. I no, Right, So with the 1036 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,840 Speaker 1: vegan thing, you look at me like it's because you 1037 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 1: don't want to like I said, be mean too bees, 1038 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 1: so you don't eat honey. But let's say all the 1039 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 1: bees just for some weird reason, there's a colony of 1040 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,640 Speaker 1: bees with honey, and for some ree the reason to 1041 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: all the beaches fall over dead. So no one's being 1042 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:43,320 Speaker 1: mean to the bee by taking the honey, but you 1043 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,600 Speaker 1: still wouldn't want to take the honey to stay true 1044 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 1: to your conviction. I'm guessing like no one's subjugating the 1045 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,400 Speaker 1: be at that point. So in that way, I feel like, 1046 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: if that's what it is and that's true, then you 1047 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,960 Speaker 1: can't drink breast milk. This is not a major question. 1048 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,000 Speaker 1: This is not like a problem bloom. It's just something 1049 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:08,240 Speaker 1: I wonder about all the time. I mean, along the 1050 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 1: same lines, you could ask, well, can a vegan eat 1051 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,400 Speaker 1: road kill? If an animal just died hasn't been subjugated, 1052 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,400 Speaker 1: it's dead, it's meat laying there. I would guess not 1053 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:23,840 Speaker 1: the animal product, just like, well there's milk. Uh. You 1054 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,360 Speaker 1: want to see a segue? Yes, where are you guys 1055 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,840 Speaker 1: on on like road kill? Right now? Wow? Did we 1056 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 1: just change topics? I can't even really tell. Yeah, are 1057 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,640 Speaker 1: you still on it? Like? Do you go out of 1058 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,760 Speaker 1: your way? Like I mean because we used to go right. 1059 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,919 Speaker 1: We'd go out of our way to get it right. Um. Yeah. 1060 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 1: I still once in a while we'll pick something off 1061 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: a pheasant or like that if I know what's fresh. Yeah. Yeah, 1062 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 1: not not. I don't know why, but not to the 1063 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,120 Speaker 1: Maybe I a little higher in the hog now. It's 1064 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,400 Speaker 1: like we live in the land a plenty and you 1065 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: have like a full freezer. Yeah, but I'm definitely not 1066 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,680 Speaker 1: opposed to picking up some road kill. Yeah. Do you 1067 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,280 Speaker 1: got like, do you ever feed your family road kill stuff? 1068 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,240 Speaker 1: We tried once with an elf that was smashed up. 1069 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,640 Speaker 1: I believe my it's like a garbage truck that runs 1070 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 1: through a whole herd. And uh. But my good old 1071 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 1: ice seventy there in Colorado and my buddy Jimmy went 1072 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 1: through the whole process and just pulled over and waited 1073 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,880 Speaker 1: and you know, they lifted into his truck and I 1074 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,560 Speaker 1: went and helped him butcher. But the whole thing was 1075 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: just purple and smashed and it we ended up just 1076 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 1: feeding it to Otis the dog. Yeah, so we tried, 1077 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,160 Speaker 1: but no, but like I think, like, yeah, somehow you 1078 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,760 Speaker 1: mentioning pheasant. I would think that if I came across 1079 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,360 Speaker 1: a turkey, and I didn't have to punch my tag, 1080 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,680 Speaker 1: and I was able to quickly look at it and said, oh, 1081 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,040 Speaker 1: there's two good breasts and two good dies. I mean, yeah, 1082 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 1: why not. But I'm not picking up badgers and raccoons 1083 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 1: and squirrel I'd probably passed. I remember driving back from 1084 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,600 Speaker 1: Hunt one time, and this is in northern Montana where 1085 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,520 Speaker 1: they have the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile System, the Minute Man 1086 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,360 Speaker 1: two projects, you know, strewn across the northern Great Plains, 1087 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,240 Speaker 1: and they're always like the missile silos are always off 1088 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,760 Speaker 1: the road quite a rays. Remember pass them one of 1089 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: those missile silos the entrance and seeing a brand speaking 1090 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,240 Speaker 1: the new Army jacket falling out of a guy's truck 1091 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,800 Speaker 1: and pick that up, and I'm like, score, because that 1092 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,680 Speaker 1: was back in the days and stuff like that was like, 1093 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, you were loving right to have found a 1094 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,520 Speaker 1: twenty dollar jacket or whatever army surplus coat. This wasn't 1095 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,520 Speaker 1: even surplus. Yeah, it was like a dude's jacket. And 1096 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,200 Speaker 1: just pulled out of there and got going again, feeling 1097 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 1: like luckiest guy in the world. I remember a pheasant, 1098 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,800 Speaker 1: as they do, ran out and stopped in the road, 1099 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: and you think, like, how could you get a road 1100 01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,880 Speaker 1: kill feasant because it be destroyed. But I remember he 1101 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: was just the right height, where like hitting him was 1102 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of like what are you was graveyard dead? Graveyard dead, 1103 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,120 Speaker 1: but just like nothing happened to it, and perfect and 1104 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: I might have talked at this four, but when we 1105 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,720 Speaker 1: were little kids, you probably remember, we're coming back from 1106 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,720 Speaker 1: tracking a deer. You know what I'm talking about. We 1107 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,880 Speaker 1: have been out all night tracking a deer. The old 1108 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,640 Speaker 1: man hit with his boat and we're coming back at 1109 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,400 Speaker 1: two in the morning and bam, and I was sleeping 1110 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: in the front and hits a deer. So he gets out, 1111 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,280 Speaker 1: You and Daniel in the back seat. I'm in the 1112 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,080 Speaker 1: front seat. He gets out and it was it was 1113 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: a V nine Jeep Grand Cherokee with and I believe 1114 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: it was had the It wasn't Daddy Bauer design, but 1115 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,240 Speaker 1: that was late that was the mini minivan, so I 1116 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,480 Speaker 1: remember the inside of that thing. But he threw it 1117 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,440 Speaker 1: in the back and starts going down the road, and 1118 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Man Danny are screaming bloody murder 1119 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: because the deer is up in the back of the car, 1120 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,280 Speaker 1: standing in the back of the in the vehicle. I'm 1121 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,240 Speaker 1: here the old man slaying out the brakes and drug 1122 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,960 Speaker 1: the deer back out of the car, killed the knife, 1123 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:20,080 Speaker 1: loaded back up, and we were back on our I remember. 1124 01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,400 Speaker 1: I also remember one time hunting with you and we 1125 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 1: found a road kill pheasant and we went to clean 1126 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,439 Speaker 1: it and had nine lives cat food and its crawl. 1127 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,639 Speaker 1: I do remember that too. That's a bold pheasant. Man 1128 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:36,439 Speaker 1: rotting around on the cat. I don't even thought of that. 1129 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,519 Speaker 1: And I remember you stuffed that pheasant with grapes and 1130 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 1: then stuffed that in the turkey. That yeah, I do 1131 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,559 Speaker 1: remember finding cat. But yeah, it is a bold pheasant. 1132 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,480 Speaker 1: He's like you see that cat to his buddies watching 1133 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:57,479 Speaker 1: He's off looking for me. Watch what I do? Okay. So, 1134 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,160 Speaker 1: like road killing the obvious questions that brings up around 1135 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,360 Speaker 1: perceptions of food and food safety, here's an interesting thing 1136 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:11,560 Speaker 1: that don't wanna talk about. That. They work on mine remediation, 1137 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,519 Speaker 1: so MIND clean up, and they work at a mining 1138 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 1: site where the reason they're there is because of soil 1139 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,439 Speaker 1: contamped heavy metal soil contamination. And they go there and 1140 01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,000 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of morrel's growing in the MIND site 1141 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,880 Speaker 1: and she was saying, like, you know, I picked the 1142 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,960 Speaker 1: Morrel's and eat them, and I think a lot of 1143 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,479 Speaker 1: people would stumble across and just be like sweet Morrel's 1144 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,720 Speaker 1: and pick them all and eat them. But she's like, 1145 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:42,719 Speaker 1: but I know about the contamination, but I eat them anyway. 1146 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,599 Speaker 1: And she brings up this idea like, do you ever 1147 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,040 Speaker 1: get where you just kind of like you ever give me? 1148 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 1: You feel like you just know too much about your food, 1149 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,280 Speaker 1: Like people want to know more, like they want to 1150 01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: be closer to food and know more about it. But 1151 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,200 Speaker 1: she just wanted to do you ever get where you 1152 01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:02,280 Speaker 1: feel like just all the detailed just becomes difficult. And 1153 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:09,040 Speaker 1: the thing I think about, like when you're eating halibit meat, Okay, 1154 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,160 Speaker 1: when you're eating halibit. When I'm looking at my wife's plate, 1155 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:19,760 Speaker 1: I see the six seven inch long tape worms that 1156 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,840 Speaker 1: it's in every like everyone who's eating halibut is eating them. 1157 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,280 Speaker 1: I see them, but I don't ever say, Katie, know 1158 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,320 Speaker 1: what that is. And when you're eating bluegill flays and 1159 01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,760 Speaker 1: all you're looking at the bluegeflate, it's got those little 1160 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:41,000 Speaker 1: black specks. When you pop that blue crystal crystal, it's 1161 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,599 Speaker 1: a little parasite, So you pop that thing in your 1162 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:49,439 Speaker 1: mouth and you're eating hundreds of parasites, which is another 1163 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,559 Speaker 1: thing I don't point out to people. Yeah, you know, 1164 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,360 Speaker 1: I know I'm awared at but do you know what 1165 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,599 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, there's some people who want to know 1166 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,240 Speaker 1: more and more in everything, and some people who are 1167 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,080 Speaker 1: just want to know, Like I just don't need all 1168 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:11,360 Speaker 1: the detail, right right, Yeah, I would. I'd always want 1169 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,360 Speaker 1: to know, But what's that I'd always want to know. 1170 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,040 Speaker 1: But like you, there are certain things that I know 1171 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,639 Speaker 1: I could ruin somebody's dinner if I told him. So. 1172 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,280 Speaker 1: I don't know about eating mushrooms as the mind, so 1173 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,760 Speaker 1: like couldn't you get like our snick poisoning or something that. Yeah, 1174 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,800 Speaker 1: so you feel like in that case you'd want to know. 1175 01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but maybe now I don't know what 1176 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,240 Speaker 1: about all the worms and all the worms in halib it, 1177 01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: Like you're cognizant of the fact that it's all these 1178 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:46,040 Speaker 1: worms in halib it. It doesn't bother me at all. Yeah. Um, 1179 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,120 Speaker 1: this is pertinent because of another like point of discussion 1180 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,720 Speaker 1: that I think is valuable to have. It is a 1181 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,439 Speaker 1: guy observed He's like, I don't want to know if 1182 01:11:52,479 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: I was eating placenta. So you're like, what are these pills? Um. Yeah, 1183 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,600 Speaker 1: it's interesting because because there's a there's a guy I 1184 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,360 Speaker 1: communicate with, and he has a little bit of an 1185 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,760 Speaker 1: axe to grind on. The thing that he thinks that 1186 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,160 Speaker 1: hunters are becoming guilty of is like hunters are aware 1187 01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:23,599 Speaker 1: of sort of the the national conversation that we're we're 1188 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,799 Speaker 1: having around food right and and food awareness and understand 1189 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,439 Speaker 1: the ramifications of your choices on the global scale about 1190 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,680 Speaker 1: how you eat and what the effects of how you 1191 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,400 Speaker 1: eat are right, and what's the economy that you're participating in, 1192 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,720 Speaker 1: and that when you know, like we kind of are 1193 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,200 Speaker 1: tuned into that. And he feels that like a lot 1194 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,639 Speaker 1: of guys are now who a few years ago even 1195 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,599 Speaker 1: weren't expousing all the virtues of wild game, but they're 1196 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,839 Speaker 1: now because they know that it sells well to the public. 1197 01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:00,799 Speaker 1: That he's finding a little bit annoying to people like, oh, 1198 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,840 Speaker 1: and it's organic and that's really all I care about, 1199 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,719 Speaker 1: and it's free range and humanely harvested. And he feels 1200 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,240 Speaker 1: like it's gotten a little empty where it's just like 1201 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:19,120 Speaker 1: this sort of masturbatory activity of doing all this, and 1202 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,360 Speaker 1: he's wandering like is it really honestly, like, is it 1203 01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:28,759 Speaker 1: actually healthier? And the first question I want to ask 1204 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,200 Speaker 1: around that is can you even say that it's organic? 1205 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:41,160 Speaker 1: It's not certified organic, non certified organic, not not. It 1206 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:50,240 Speaker 1: is not right. If you're hunting white tailed deer in 1207 01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:56,360 Speaker 1: the Midwest, is it organic meat? Is organic? Right? I 1208 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,959 Speaker 1: mean even let's get okay, there is a certification process, 1209 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,479 Speaker 1: but like, let's forget the certification process. What I'm saying, 1210 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:08,400 Speaker 1: it's not It wouldn't be eligible for certification the most 1211 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,960 Speaker 1: it's hard to grow at anchor corn in the Midwest 1212 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: without a herbicide, but not all the Midwest is the same. 1213 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:19,200 Speaker 1: Are we talking like the northern tier, We're talking in 1214 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:23,240 Speaker 1: our agricultural landscape. You're gonna have a lot of food 1215 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,840 Speaker 1: available to those deer that is non organic feed, and 1216 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,880 Speaker 1: if you fed it to a beat a beef cow, 1217 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:34,479 Speaker 1: that would not be eligible from eligibility. So even a 1218 01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 1: wild turkey at dougs certainly not organic but free range. 1219 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,320 Speaker 1: But always have that backing up a little bit. Do 1220 01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,439 Speaker 1: you do you think I'm just curious what you think. 1221 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,880 Speaker 1: Do you think it's disingenuous, or do you think that 1222 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,040 Speaker 1: there's been some kind of there's like a change in 1223 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,400 Speaker 1: the air and people are starting to take the food 1224 01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 1: component of hunting more seriously. I think that both things 1225 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,080 Speaker 1: are happening. Depends. I think there's a out of genuine 1226 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,479 Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of cynical. I think 1227 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of um just like people looking for 1228 01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,479 Speaker 1: the crutch. And like the guy that that I communicate 1229 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,280 Speaker 1: with was raising this question, He's like, I just feel 1230 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,280 Speaker 1: better eating it, Like I like to go out and 1231 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: hunt my friends, and I feel good securing my own meat. 1232 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,080 Speaker 1: And that's what I choose. And if you told me 1233 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,720 Speaker 1: it was somehow like a little bit more dangerous than 1234 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,040 Speaker 1: other stuff and not quite as safe of the other stuff, 1235 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,800 Speaker 1: Like that's just how I feel best, Like that's what 1236 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,400 Speaker 1: I like to eat, and I'm satisfied, just feeling that. 1237 01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to take some other 1238 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 1: language and some other ideas is sort of like conformant, 1239 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:49,000 Speaker 1: so that my choices reflect some contemporary understanding of what's 1240 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,760 Speaker 1: right and what's wrong. Because I even at times they 1241 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:57,280 Speaker 1: talked about even the question of humanely raised, I don't 1242 01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:01,840 Speaker 1: know like then you're sort of saying, like, is growing 1243 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,439 Speaker 1: is growing up? Is an animal that lives out on 1244 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,479 Speaker 1: the natural landscape? Is that a humane environment? Getting gnawed 1245 01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:13,520 Speaker 1: on by coyotes? Like living under the constant stress of predation, 1246 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:20,080 Speaker 1: watching your offspring routinely slaughtered. That if you're a turkey 1247 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,080 Speaker 1: and you lay batches of eggs twelve at a time, 1248 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,599 Speaker 1: and you're lucky if you can do that three years 1249 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,240 Speaker 1: and have one of those grow up to an adult, 1250 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,320 Speaker 1: So you've lost thirty five young in the course of 1251 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,960 Speaker 1: your Is that Is that? So I'm like humanely raised? Yeah, 1252 01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. If I if I had to guess, 1253 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,360 Speaker 1: I'd guess it's it would be more I'd rather have 1254 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,799 Speaker 1: that fate because you see animals play and jog around 1255 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,960 Speaker 1: and chase each other, like especially a lot of conventional 1256 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:57,240 Speaker 1: farm situations, those those animals display like behaviors that are neurotic. Yeah, 1257 01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm Devil's advocating a little bit because 1258 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,880 Speaker 1: I do still even considering all that, I still view 1259 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,519 Speaker 1: it because you can't help but view it. Like if 1260 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:09,960 Speaker 1: I was in the if I was in one of 1261 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,280 Speaker 1: those situations, which would I pick? I'd be like, I'll 1262 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,320 Speaker 1: pick the that right, they out offended for myself. But 1263 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,760 Speaker 1: then there's the other question like, uh, is it humanely harvested, 1264 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,320 Speaker 1: which is another one I've thrown that out there, But 1265 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:31,760 Speaker 1: then you look and I'm like, sometimes sometimes amazingly so, right, well, yeah, 1266 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,439 Speaker 1: I would I would probably argue that on balance that 1267 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,400 Speaker 1: FIM animals are more humanely harvest they're more humanely slaughtered 1268 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,840 Speaker 1: because you have, they gotta they got a pretty systematized 1269 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,840 Speaker 1: you no like that that uh that air gun that 1270 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:55,720 Speaker 1: dude uses in your country, and the way they have 1271 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,639 Speaker 1: things now where like animals used to animals going through 1272 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,479 Speaker 1: the slaughter process that you us to be that they 1273 01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,280 Speaker 1: were aware of what's ahead of them, but now they're 1274 01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,800 Speaker 1: in a lot of blind turn passages, so you're not 1275 01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,080 Speaker 1: aware of who what's going on, come around the corner 1276 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,160 Speaker 1: and flat, yeah, you're not like watching like you know, 1277 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,320 Speaker 1: Bob out ahead of you, right, and uh they you 1278 01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,160 Speaker 1: know never did like that old bob. Yeah, they like 1279 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,120 Speaker 1: they've eliminated that. And sometimes sure you could be out 1280 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,920 Speaker 1: and the thing like here's an animal that you're gonna 1281 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,880 Speaker 1: harvest or killing. It's oblivious to your presence and there's 1282 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,000 Speaker 1: not even a second that it has the register what's 1283 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,800 Speaker 1: going on. But earlier we talked about situations that aren't 1284 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,200 Speaker 1: that way. Oh man, in hunting, I mean we all 1285 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,640 Speaker 1: know it's like not that clean. I mean sometimes it is, 1286 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: but sometimes it's not. Yeah, So I just want to 1287 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,240 Speaker 1: feel like a little bit like, um, I just feel 1288 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,160 Speaker 1: that like honesty is good, and I think that to 1289 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,840 Speaker 1: go in and just sort of borrow, like put your 1290 01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:55,280 Speaker 1: finger to the to the breeze, pre empt, pre empt 1291 01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:58,200 Speaker 1: the language of of like, yeah, people that are trying 1292 01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,439 Speaker 1: to do agriculture better and like and one day you'd 1293 01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,040 Speaker 1: be like, well, I used to hunt because I thought 1294 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 1: if there weren't, there'd be too many whatever that means. 1295 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,519 Speaker 1: Um No, I'm switching. I'm switching to organic right because 1296 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,599 Speaker 1: you just are dying too. And I feel like it's 1297 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,160 Speaker 1: like a thing that people feel like I really want 1298 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,680 Speaker 1: to tell people about this thing and I want them 1299 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,439 Speaker 1: to get it. So what do they what do they 1300 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,880 Speaker 1: want to hear? Again, I think some of that goes out. 1301 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:31,640 Speaker 1: You know, you look like you're not satisfied. Girl, No, 1302 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,559 Speaker 1: you're making a good point. I'm running through all the 1303 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,600 Speaker 1: words that get thrown around, and I guess there's just 1304 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:43,280 Speaker 1: so much potential for diversity in the answer based on 1305 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,320 Speaker 1: what exactly played out. You know, in some instances, as 1306 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:53,599 Speaker 1: Matt pointed out, humanely slaughtered would would apply. In some cases, 1307 01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:59,599 Speaker 1: some pseudo organic label would apply in some circumstances. Local 1308 01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,679 Speaker 1: as another word, you know, people like to throw around, 1309 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,760 Speaker 1: and certainly that applies sometimes. But then you've got you know, 1310 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,920 Speaker 1: like my first elk I shot in Idaho on a 1311 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,880 Speaker 1: trip from Wisconsin, So think about the fossil fuel implications 1312 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,320 Speaker 1: of a transcontinental road trip killing elk and drive it 1313 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:25,840 Speaker 1: back home. So I agree wholeheartedly with this, you know, 1314 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:30,760 Speaker 1: this caution around trying to borrow the language, um, and 1315 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,400 Speaker 1: also the point about the value of honesty um. But 1316 01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:42,519 Speaker 1: I think there is very much a growing realization among 1317 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:47,160 Speaker 1: a large segment of our non hunting public that there's 1318 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,920 Speaker 1: this opportunity to have more of a connection where your 1319 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,120 Speaker 1: food is coming from. And maybe that's maybe that's the 1320 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's that is that is a powerful connection. Yes, 1321 01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,040 Speaker 1: And maybe that's the words what's nazzy terms you're able 1322 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,160 Speaker 1: to borrow from whole foods. That's a powerful connection. This 1323 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,040 Speaker 1: is this is food that I have a connection to, 1324 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:13,080 Speaker 1: and that probably is like unequivocal, you have some connection 1325 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:19,760 Speaker 1: to that food. That's why I was gonna bring up 1326 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,400 Speaker 1: like in looking at it, Um, it's a great point. 1327 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,240 Speaker 1: You fly from Montana at the Dougs Place saying, and 1328 01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,479 Speaker 1: it's not local, it's at Dougs Place, so it's non organic. 1329 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:36,720 Speaker 1: You had to shoot twice, so it wasn't humane. But 1330 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,479 Speaker 1: you know, I'd be like, but you know what, man, 1331 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,559 Speaker 1: I like being around wild animals, and I went out 1332 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,040 Speaker 1: there and figured out how to do it, and I 1333 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,640 Speaker 1: got it done, and now I got to eat it. 1334 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,880 Speaker 1: And not only that, but my the the system that 1335 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,640 Speaker 1: we've built in this society that allows these things to 1336 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:56,200 Speaker 1: occur is actually beneficial to the resource. Um. So I'm 1337 01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,400 Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about the steak. It's another word that 1338 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:03,639 Speaker 1: I think generally would apply when we're talking about consuming 1339 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,960 Speaker 1: wildlife in North America through legal channels, would be sustainable. 1340 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,360 Speaker 1: So connected to sustainable source of food, I think those 1341 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,800 Speaker 1: would apply across the board, because there's no regulated hunting 1342 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,840 Speaker 1: that we're doing here on this continent that wouldn't fit 1343 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,240 Speaker 1: the ladder of those two categories. So I want to 1344 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,799 Speaker 1: ask if to the best your ability, and you already 1345 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:30,600 Speaker 1: did like to the best your ability, Like why is it? Like, 1346 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,760 Speaker 1: why is it the diet you prefer? Is it because 1347 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,120 Speaker 1: it enables you to engage in the activity, Like like 1348 01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,920 Speaker 1: what is it? Because it lets you do the activities 1349 01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:45,200 Speaker 1: you like and you're not gonna waste it? Yeah, um 1350 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,160 Speaker 1: at all. It's just like we've done it since we 1351 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,320 Speaker 1: were kids. And even when we were little kids, it 1352 01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,800 Speaker 1: was this just this giddy feeling of getting something by 1353 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,639 Speaker 1: your own wits and having it be your food. Remember 1354 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,240 Speaker 1: we were little kids, Like we had this idea that 1355 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,000 Speaker 1: we were gonna have a dinner where everything either came 1356 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,160 Speaker 1: from the garden or or it was something that we caught. 1357 01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,000 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I don't know how that 1358 01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,120 Speaker 1: came to beat it that we prioritize that, but that 1359 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,599 Speaker 1: that that's certainly a component of it. Is just like 1360 01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,240 Speaker 1: feeling that you did it, you got your food yourself, 1361 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,200 Speaker 1: and yeah, and it felt as good and as fun 1362 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:30,360 Speaker 1: then before anybody started dabbling in the justification, right, And 1363 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,320 Speaker 1: and it's not just about hunting, because going out and 1364 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,600 Speaker 1: get some morrels, that's that triggers the same impulse to 1365 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:43,280 Speaker 1: mel asparagus, garden plant. It's like the wild it's like 1366 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,519 Speaker 1: a wild hog. That's the wild hog of vegetables. Like 1367 01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,519 Speaker 1: if someone said to me, like asparagus out of my garden, 1368 01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,840 Speaker 1: or you can sick pick some of the ship that 1369 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,800 Speaker 1: came up and the drainage ditch, I'd be like, in 1370 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:59,519 Speaker 1: your drain is that's amazing. It tastes so good. It's 1371 01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,639 Speaker 1: so much better than the stuff in your garden. Pet. 1372 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:10,160 Speaker 1: Your p doesn't even stink with it. Yeah, what is 1373 01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,280 Speaker 1: the un Do you know you ever thought about it? 1374 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:14,439 Speaker 1: I thought about it about I don't know, I don't 1375 01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:19,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. Yeah, I mean we've been doing 1376 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:22,360 Speaker 1: it for so long because I got into it really 1377 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,120 Speaker 1: because I became a hunting guy, and then I sort 1378 01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,640 Speaker 1: of got into eating wild game because we did, like 1379 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,559 Speaker 1: we ate some of it growing up, Like, but there 1380 01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,120 Speaker 1: was only a few deer around so between the family. 1381 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,720 Speaker 1: I think it disappeared pretty quickly. But it wasn't as 1382 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,760 Speaker 1: celebrated in my house growing up as it was for 1383 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,720 Speaker 1: you guys. I don't think. It wasn't like a big deal. 1384 01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,120 Speaker 1: We didn't sit around eating burgers talking about where that 1385 01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:44,920 Speaker 1: deer came from or how it got shot or whatever. 1386 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,400 Speaker 1: It just didn't happen, and it might have been other 1387 01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,200 Speaker 1: circumstances why we didn't have those conversations. But um, yeah, 1388 01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,400 Speaker 1: so I was found myself just like all of a sudden, 1389 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,320 Speaker 1: I was an elk hunting guide and then I had 1390 01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,680 Speaker 1: elk and next thing you know, we're like eating a 1391 01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,479 Speaker 1: bunch of elk and it just naturally happened. So that's 1392 01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,680 Speaker 1: where I am now. Um, I don't know if I 1393 01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,679 Speaker 1: really chose to end up there, just you know, life 1394 01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,000 Speaker 1: took me there, and I might it might take me 1395 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,400 Speaker 1: away from there. It might come a time when I'm 1396 01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,840 Speaker 1: not I'm not always eating wild game wild game. That's 1397 01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:23,920 Speaker 1: imagine it is. But I'm just saying you are, like 1398 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,639 Speaker 1: you're just too decrepit to go. I was talking Dar 1399 01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,920 Speaker 1: about it today about how we both of us used 1400 01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,920 Speaker 1: to just like all we thought about was catching trout 1401 01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,519 Speaker 1: on flies. For a good decade in my life, that 1402 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,080 Speaker 1: was like on my mind every day. Now I go 1403 01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,040 Speaker 1: of months, maybe even a year, without thinking about doing that. 1404 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 1: Maybe that will happen with killing an eating while game. 1405 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I bet it's only catch a trou anymore, 1406 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,759 Speaker 1: not as much something faded him. I mean, I'm imagine 1407 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,240 Speaker 1: a person that eats game me on a daily basis, 1408 01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,479 Speaker 1: like we all do. It's not like if you're there 1409 01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,200 Speaker 1: by yourself, like I live alone, or like with your family. 1410 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,840 Speaker 1: Is probably not like a nightly thing where you go, gee, Gali, 1411 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,320 Speaker 1: isn't it great to be eating wild game? Where it 1412 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,519 Speaker 1: really comes into play is when you have people over 1413 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,719 Speaker 1: that don't eat it a lot. That's when it's exciting. 1414 01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,160 Speaker 1: But I feel guilty to not eat it. Oh I 1415 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:20,160 Speaker 1: never don't you know, even to have like like if 1416 01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,640 Speaker 1: I if I come home and my wife doesn't like 1417 01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,640 Speaker 1: to cook and it, she'll oftentimes make the kids. Like 1418 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,759 Speaker 1: for her, it's like the easiest thing is to make breakfast, 1419 01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,439 Speaker 1: so she'll sell it like a big exciting thing. We're 1420 01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,960 Speaker 1: like they're like, oh my gosh, it's amazing breakfast for dinner. Right, 1421 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,840 Speaker 1: it's just like fried eggs and make toast, and I'll 1422 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,960 Speaker 1: go home and get a little bit of a guilty feeling, right, Like, 1423 01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,559 Speaker 1: that's not how it is. That's not what I want 1424 01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,680 Speaker 1: their experiences to be because like they like, it's important 1425 01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,880 Speaker 1: for me. It's important to me. The companies important me. 1426 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:56,200 Speaker 1: It's important to me that they see me making them 1427 01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,439 Speaker 1: dinner because there's like a little bit of a like 1428 01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:00,880 Speaker 1: a kind of that kind of like like something I 1429 01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,200 Speaker 1: recognize it sort of a sack, like like a sacrament whatever. 1430 01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,240 Speaker 1: Like no matter how busy whatever, it's like important to 1431 01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:09,080 Speaker 1: like that this person takes the time to like serve 1432 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,760 Speaker 1: me something. So it's important they see that. And it's 1433 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:16,679 Speaker 1: equally important because it's like here's where this stuff came from. 1434 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,839 Speaker 1: This is the situation, like we did this, and now 1435 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,400 Speaker 1: this is what we eat because it winds up. It 1436 01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,880 Speaker 1: just feels like this that you're you're taking something as 1437 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,760 Speaker 1: mundane but making it like rich and instructional. So in 1438 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,200 Speaker 1: missing out on that, I get like a guilty conscience. 1439 01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:36,559 Speaker 1: The same way when we were kids, I would get 1440 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,439 Speaker 1: a guilty feeling if I didn't go hunting with that 1441 01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:42,840 Speaker 1: that I would wake up and hope to see that 1442 01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,400 Speaker 1: those two windy and rainy. Oh, and then I'd feel 1443 01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,840 Speaker 1: bad about hoping that it was too windy and rainy 1444 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,160 Speaker 1: to go sit in a tree in the woods. And 1445 01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,040 Speaker 1: I feel like, like I've said before, I think it's 1446 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,800 Speaker 1: like how some people feel about church, Like you feel 1447 01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,680 Speaker 1: guilty if you didn't go. I just remember feeling like 1448 01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,160 Speaker 1: guilty to let the old man down. So like, so 1449 01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,000 Speaker 1: much of my life is influenced by like, by feelings 1450 01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,519 Speaker 1: of guilt that are difficult to explain to other people. 1451 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Maybe I just don't have the normal problems that people 1452 01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,160 Speaker 1: get guilty about anymore. Like I've just got done doing 1453 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,040 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and now I feel guilty about 1454 01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:21,719 Speaker 1: random weird ship like my kids eating eggs at supper time. 1455 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,759 Speaker 1: Anymore to add for me? There go to the Carl. 1456 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,880 Speaker 1: So one of the one of the key determinants in 1457 01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:41,559 Speaker 1: longevity and happiness is an individual sense of gratitude. Right, Yes. 1458 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:46,360 Speaker 1: A lot of research indicates people who express a high 1459 01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,640 Speaker 1: degree of appreciation recognize that things they have to be 1460 01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,040 Speaker 1: grateful for tend to live a more fulfilling and longer 1461 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,840 Speaker 1: life up from it, Yeah, do you have your phone 1462 01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:59,280 Speaker 1: on the on? I don't uh every email that Dug 1463 01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:06,400 Speaker 1: during sent Yes, at the end of Doug during sign off. Um, 1464 01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:07,920 Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys like I'll have something 1465 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,320 Speaker 1: like badass thing they use on their sign off, like 1466 01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,559 Speaker 1: a c P because it's stupid to shoot twice. Right, 1467 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:20,800 Speaker 1: Doug Durings is uh, Doug Durn's is the days when 1468 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,639 Speaker 1: I keep my gratitude higher? Than my expectations. You know, 1469 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,040 Speaker 1: those are good days. Anyways. I'm sorry, No, it's I 1470 01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:33,240 Speaker 1: feel like we're dogging on how dugs fire is not organic. No, no, 1471 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,360 Speaker 1: it's it's funny you mentioned Doug during because he and 1472 01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,160 Speaker 1: I were texting today a little bit and I was 1473 01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:42,479 Speaker 1: texting to express my gratitude Doug during, Like, I want 1474 01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:44,679 Speaker 1: you to just look at this text. This is from today. 1475 01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:50,200 Speaker 1: I want to reiterate my gratitude Dug Duran's response, I'm 1476 01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:55,360 Speaker 1: grateful for all of it too. So what I'm trying 1477 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,439 Speaker 1: to get at here is and this is a this 1478 01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,600 Speaker 1: is a piece of wisdom I picked up from my 1479 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,360 Speaker 1: Grandma Alexander, who taught me every day try to find 1480 01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:09,320 Speaker 1: something to be grateful for. Calls it counting your blessing, right, 1481 01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,120 Speaker 1: And you can think about that in a religious way, 1482 01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,479 Speaker 1: you can think about that in a secular way, but 1483 01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,600 Speaker 1: taking stock of the things that we have to be 1484 01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,760 Speaker 1: grateful for. And that's the reason that Thanksgiving is like, 1485 01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,679 Speaker 1: by far, my favorite holiday of the year, getting everybody together, 1486 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:27,000 Speaker 1: looking a big meal, having time where you actually just 1487 01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,400 Speaker 1: think about how good you've got it. Because every single 1488 01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,680 Speaker 1: person in this room and every single person listened to 1489 01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:42,960 Speaker 1: this has a hell of a lot to be thankful for, right, Yeah, 1490 01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,519 Speaker 1: you're all gonna live long lives, um, but there's a 1491 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,960 Speaker 1: lot of people who have a lot to be thankful for. 1492 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:54,280 Speaker 1: They don't recognize it. Right. So one of the things 1493 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,519 Speaker 1: that happens when you have this food that you're connected to, 1494 01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,559 Speaker 1: I like, it makes Thanksgiving more than a once a 1495 01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,920 Speaker 1: year kind of thing. You have the opportunity to sit 1496 01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,120 Speaker 1: down and take stock of all the things you have 1497 01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,640 Speaker 1: would be grateful for, and you can think about that 1498 01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:16,600 Speaker 1: in terms of the wildlife resources of the country. Um. 1499 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,400 Speaker 1: I think I do a lot more cooking and service 1500 01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,479 Speaker 1: to my family as a result of having this meat 1501 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,320 Speaker 1: that I want to work my way through because a 1502 01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,920 Speaker 1: piece of it is definitely like, Man, my freezer is full. 1503 01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,160 Speaker 1: I do want to go hunting next fall. We've got 1504 01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,599 Speaker 1: to get through all this meat. It's not like a chore, 1505 01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:35,000 Speaker 1: but it's this like it's like it's like the sand 1506 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,320 Speaker 1: and the hourglass, right, Like I gotta get that sand 1507 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,759 Speaker 1: going through the hourglass such that when August or September 1508 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,760 Speaker 1: rolls around, I've got some space in the freezer because 1509 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,240 Speaker 1: I want to go hunting again. So there's a piece 1510 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,280 Speaker 1: of that, but really it's this idea of the celebration 1511 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:52,120 Speaker 1: and the gratitude and just a little story in in UM. 1512 01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,360 Speaker 1: I'll counter just a little bit what you were saying 1513 01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,559 Speaker 1: about um other people coming into your home mat where 1514 01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,360 Speaker 1: you're you're saying, like being able to share with other 1515 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,000 Speaker 1: people is a is a big thing. I agree that 1516 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,559 Speaker 1: that's a big thing. But something happened at our dinner 1517 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,559 Speaker 1: table recently where it was just my wife, our daughter, 1518 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:14,040 Speaker 1: and me, and we have taken my Grandma Alexander's um 1519 01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:19,400 Speaker 1: tradition of the gratitude exercise and also stolen your best, worst, 1520 01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,599 Speaker 1: weirdest exercise for our dinner table. We talked about what's 1521 01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,679 Speaker 1: your best, what's your worst, what's your weirdest, what's something 1522 01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,439 Speaker 1: you're grateful for? And it's a way to like have 1523 01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,080 Speaker 1: a dinner conversation because my wife and I are trying 1524 01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,720 Speaker 1: to make the family dinner like a sacred thing. We're 1525 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:35,639 Speaker 1: trying to carve time out and make it like we're 1526 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,519 Speaker 1: sitting here, we're having a meal together. It's going to 1527 01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,439 Speaker 1: be our nightly tradition, right. And we got this daughter 1528 01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:46,479 Speaker 1: who's going to be four in August, so she's you know, 1529 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,320 Speaker 1: still developing right like she's she hasn't figured out the 1530 01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,160 Speaker 1: whole world yet. But there was a there was a 1531 01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,280 Speaker 1: dinner we were having would have been late last year 1532 01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:59,200 Speaker 1: earlier this year, um, where we're eating some of the 1533 01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:04,000 Speaker 1: moose from Idaho, and I've done a European mount of 1534 01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,080 Speaker 1: that moose skull, so I've got it hanging in our 1535 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,840 Speaker 1: living room, but you can see it from our dining 1536 01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,000 Speaker 1: room table. And so we're sitting there, going around the 1537 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,679 Speaker 1: dinner table doing what we're grateful for. And my little 1538 01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,760 Speaker 1: girl is three years old. She says, I'm thankful for 1539 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:26,240 Speaker 1: the moose for his meat. That's nice, and it like 1540 01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,320 Speaker 1: sent a chill down my spine. Dude, to have this 1541 01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,800 Speaker 1: little person who's still trying to figure things out acknowledge 1542 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,120 Speaker 1: that there's this way in the twenty one century for 1543 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:41,400 Speaker 1: us as a family to be gathered around this sacred 1544 01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:47,320 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving meal that was happening in December January. And having 1545 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:50,600 Speaker 1: her at that age understanding that there's this thing to 1546 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:55,479 Speaker 1: be grateful for, which is this remaining wildness that we 1547 01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,360 Speaker 1: have in this country. And given what I do professionally, 1548 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,519 Speaker 1: having my my rear dedicated to the conservation cause and 1549 01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,960 Speaker 1: then having this little person be like, man, I'm grateful 1550 01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:09,760 Speaker 1: that that moose did something so that we can have 1551 01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,439 Speaker 1: this dinner. And I feel like my family is a 1552 01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:22,320 Speaker 1: better place, our country is a better place, and portions 1553 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,719 Speaker 1: of the world at least are a better place because 1554 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:29,360 Speaker 1: people are experiencing that kind of deep personal connection and 1555 01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:35,519 Speaker 1: gratitude and we're gonna live longer as a result. Um 1556 01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:40,840 Speaker 1: the family meal thing, uh is something that pushed really 1557 01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,960 Speaker 1: heavy and not longer. I took my eight year old 1558 01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,479 Speaker 1: in for his check up, like his eight year check up, 1559 01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,519 Speaker 1: and they give you a questionnaire and one of the questions, 1560 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,400 Speaker 1: like rightolf top was like do you have guns in 1561 01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,479 Speaker 1: the home? And I'm like, yeahh man, where's this going? 1562 01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,920 Speaker 1: You know? But then if it's yes, it allows you 1563 01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,360 Speaker 1: to go to the next box, which is do you 1564 01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:06,680 Speaker 1: keep them secured? The next question is do you have 1565 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,360 Speaker 1: family dinner time? Remember thinking I like this some of it. 1566 01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:18,759 Speaker 1: She wrote this thing, man, your gun secured, have family dinner? Uh? 1567 01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,760 Speaker 1: Got one last one and you guys can hit a 1568 01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,559 Speaker 1: your concluders or not. And this is just a guy 1569 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,800 Speaker 1: that rolled in and I can just feel his pain. 1570 01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:35,879 Speaker 1: His short, clean sentences he says, I missed a beauty 1571 01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,080 Speaker 1: of a tom this morning on my first ever turkey hunt. 1572 01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:48,320 Speaker 1: Missed twelve gauge full choke long beard. Will I ever 1573 01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:54,760 Speaker 1: get over it? Nope? And I'm telling you what, man, 1574 01:35:55,400 --> 01:36:03,880 Speaker 1: I remember the first So the first year we were, 1575 01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,040 Speaker 1: the first year, we just completed our one We just 1576 01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:13,040 Speaker 1: finished our one hundred episode of media to the TV show, 1577 01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:22,680 Speaker 1: made a hundred of them. And however the long like, 1578 01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:27,040 Speaker 1: however long that takes right the first ever season we 1579 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:28,920 Speaker 1: did in one of the first hunts of the first 1580 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:34,920 Speaker 1: ever season we made, I missed a very big black tail, 1581 01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:36,880 Speaker 1: sick of black tail, the likes of which I have 1582 01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:42,200 Speaker 1: not seen since. I am starting to come to terms 1583 01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:48,840 Speaker 1: with it. Like I'm starting to not be you know. 1584 01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:54,200 Speaker 1: I just reminded of I gotta take this in a 1585 01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:58,400 Speaker 1: weird direction for a second. I remember Matt, who's sitting 1586 01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:03,320 Speaker 1: here one time, reviewing in his mind some interactions he 1587 01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:09,040 Speaker 1: had had with women in high school and being like, 1588 01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,160 Speaker 1: he's like, now that I look at what I think 1589 01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:16,240 Speaker 1: was going on there, and I didn't detect what was happening, 1590 01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:18,920 Speaker 1: And he was down on the floor of the bar, 1591 01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:24,080 Speaker 1: beating the ground and going stupid stupid, stupid, and I 1592 01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:28,280 Speaker 1: still you know, I still like I'm getting over that now. 1593 01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,160 Speaker 1: So I think that the pain of like the myths 1594 01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:37,720 Speaker 1: just you get circumspect about it. Yeah, I've gotten over 1595 01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:43,120 Speaker 1: the missed opportunities with young girls from my teens or whatever. 1596 01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,799 Speaker 1: But I need to get counseling on a few misses. 1597 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,240 Speaker 1: You pointed out one thing about missing is what you 1598 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,840 Speaker 1: don't like about it? Is it because you miss because 1599 01:37:55,880 --> 01:38:00,200 Speaker 1: your panic? Right, I'd like if you miss a deer 1600 01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,920 Speaker 1: at twenty yards. Yeah, paper all day at twenty yards, 1601 01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,760 Speaker 1: So you know it's like I panic. And remember you're 1602 01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,599 Speaker 1: saying something really kind of interesting. You said, what I hate? 1603 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,679 Speaker 1: It's just anger at myself. But I can't control my greed. 1604 01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah that I wanted it so bad. Yeah, it's interesting 1605 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,080 Speaker 1: way to put its. Like, I can't like, how am 1606 01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:27,360 Speaker 1: I so greedy? I can't control your passions like my 1607 01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,240 Speaker 1: like here I am, I can't like beat my passions, 1608 01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,639 Speaker 1: like I want it so bad that it actually prevents 1609 01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:37,000 Speaker 1: me from getting it. Yeah, what kind of fool? Oh, No, 1610 01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:45,280 Speaker 1: I really need counseling. He'll get over it because Turkey 1611 01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,040 Speaker 1: season is gonna you know, it's gonna be here, again 1612 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,120 Speaker 1: six seven months. Um, Yeah, you get lots of opportunities. Yeah, 1613 01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:55,439 Speaker 1: because like the turkey's um, they're so hard to tell apart. 1614 01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,840 Speaker 1: Do you don't have that burned image right like you 1615 01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,920 Speaker 1: do with something that's distinguished, like the antlers, right, they 1616 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,280 Speaker 1: burn in your mind man, you know. Yeah, the giant 1617 01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,080 Speaker 1: mule deer with a bunch of extras and like fifteen 1618 01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:15,120 Speaker 1: points on one side and thirty points on the other side. Yeah, 1619 01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,800 Speaker 1: you might never get over missing that one. That's hard 1620 01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:29,960 Speaker 1: any sage wisdom, I think, so a couple of thoughts. 1621 01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:36,320 Speaker 1: First off, don't hang your head because it happens to everybody. 1622 01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,519 Speaker 1: And once you've racked up a set of experiences that 1623 01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:45,080 Speaker 1: includes a clean mess versus an animal that gets the 1624 01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,040 Speaker 1: way that you know you hit, those are the ones 1625 01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:48,920 Speaker 1: that stick with me a lot more. There are times 1626 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,200 Speaker 1: you know I've missed something cleanly, and you once you've 1627 01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:56,000 Speaker 1: been through enough of those experiences, you're like, well, at 1628 01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,200 Speaker 1: least I missed him cleanly, you know, the one that 1629 01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,760 Speaker 1: got away but out of way untouched. Um. And if 1630 01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:07,880 Speaker 1: he thinks this experience with that turkey hurt, wait till 1631 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,200 Speaker 1: he experiences something where he doesn't recover an animal. He 1632 01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,920 Speaker 1: knows he hit, and then you get to live with that. Yeah, 1633 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:19,080 Speaker 1: And I think there's no there's nothing I've experienced that's 1634 01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:24,600 Speaker 1: more soul rendering, like you know, to the point that 1635 01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:29,160 Speaker 1: like what am I even doing out here? Sometimes it's 1636 01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,280 Speaker 1: the lowest you can feel. I think I've I felt 1637 01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,080 Speaker 1: like there's like I feel like I've walked out the 1638 01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:37,760 Speaker 1: woods feeling like I am done with this. So that's 1639 01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,439 Speaker 1: so the bird got away. Hopefully the bird's fine. He's 1640 01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,600 Speaker 1: shooting a full choke. Chances are a close range of 1641 01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,120 Speaker 1: the full choke that the turkey is dead or the 1642 01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,280 Speaker 1: turkey's untouched. He doesn't mention that he sees feathers flying 1643 01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,760 Speaker 1: or anything like that. So take solace in the fact 1644 01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,960 Speaker 1: that that tom is out there to hunt another day. 1645 01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:58,960 Speaker 1: There's one one piece of it. I wonder if it 1646 01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:04,519 Speaker 1: walked past them off the roost without him calling. I 1647 01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,280 Speaker 1: want to give me a piece of practical advice. I 1648 01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,400 Speaker 1: guarantee he sailed it over the top of its head, 1649 01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,760 Speaker 1: because he's aiming at its head, not its wattles. I 1650 01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,280 Speaker 1: hate to um rubed salt in his wound, but I 1651 01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,960 Speaker 1: was thinking about this Saturday. I've never missed a turkey. 1652 01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,639 Speaker 1: I yeah, you were with me. I've never missed one. 1653 01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:28,920 Speaker 1: I had one fly off like he rolled Hi. Then 1654 01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:30,680 Speaker 1: he got up and flu and he got up and 1655 01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,600 Speaker 1: pitched off the mountainside and was gone. It's gone. I 1656 01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,000 Speaker 1: mean there wasn't even you couldn't even have envisioned like 1657 01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:40,600 Speaker 1: going over to have a look. He was just that 1658 01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:47,960 Speaker 1: felt bad. Uh. And you find a little things and 1659 01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:49,880 Speaker 1: you wanted to wedge in there thinking about this and 1660 01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,600 Speaker 1: never got a chance to wedge. No. No, it's just 1661 01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,519 Speaker 1: great to be here. This is a really good guy. 1662 01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,560 Speaker 1: Like the conversations you guys are having, it's good to 1663 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,840 Speaker 1: be involved. It's good to see everybody coming out for 1664 01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,559 Speaker 1: these things. And there's nothing you're like, Man, I wish 1665 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:04,200 Speaker 1: he would have no. No, I'm sated. I feel like 1666 01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:11,560 Speaker 1: I've spoken my piece. No hanging Chad's or anything nice. 1667 01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:17,000 Speaker 1: The hanging shad reference, I like it. Yeah, A good Yeah, 1668 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,000 Speaker 1: so you want to there's nothing you want to lay 1669 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:22,880 Speaker 1: out there, just like a totally like the vegans drink 1670 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:28,200 Speaker 1: milk breast milk right. No, No, I was gonna use 1671 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,679 Speaker 1: my ten seconds because I know we're short on time, 1672 01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,080 Speaker 1: just to remind everybody that we're gonna set up some 1673 01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:35,200 Speaker 1: space here to do some book signing, and then we're 1674 01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,800 Speaker 1: gonna have a couple of lines, and the awesome help 1675 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,360 Speaker 1: here at the improv is gonna help you guys make 1676 01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,280 Speaker 1: a nice line for to do some book signing and 1677 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,040 Speaker 1: pictures that works at the improv. Man has been great. 1678 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,000 Speaker 1: I wonder what if you I'm thinking now, like if 1679 01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:59,240 Speaker 1: you crisp Simplisson in the oven and then drizzle little 1680 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:03,519 Speaker 1: chocolate and dipped it Bress Milt like cookies. Can I 1681 01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:05,519 Speaker 1: can I just take a moment to tell you guys 1682 01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:13,519 Speaker 1: about the jewels? Suvie done some Suvian? Have you done 1683 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:16,360 Speaker 1: some suvi Uh? You look like you're ready for a 1684 01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:20,760 Speaker 1: big concluder. I'm not going to read this to you, 1685 01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:22,120 Speaker 1: but I do want to point a couple of things 1686 01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:26,920 Speaker 1: out as a concluders. So I've got the National Survey 1687 01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:31,000 Speaker 1: on Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife Associated Recreation, which was the 1688 01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:34,640 Speaker 1: results of which were released late in This is the 1689 01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:38,920 Speaker 1: report that touches on the decline in hunting participation that 1690 01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,400 Speaker 1: has been hearing a lot about in the news, of 1691 01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,640 Speaker 1: which I have many questions about, of which you have 1692 01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,080 Speaker 1: many questions about. Would you like going to answer one 1693 01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:48,920 Speaker 1: of your questions that I know has been on your 1694 01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:53,200 Speaker 1: mind about this report. Okay, just stick with the concluder. 1695 01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:55,880 Speaker 1: I just want to let it be known that there's 1696 01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:58,559 Speaker 1: a if you look at me, rather than a halo 1697 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:06,280 Speaker 1: the question mark a question. Okay, fair enough. If you 1698 01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:10,400 Speaker 1: look at the percentage of Americans who are participating in 1699 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,240 Speaker 1: hunting in particular, based on the change between the twenty 1700 01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:19,320 Speaker 1: eleven and the data UM, and this is a survey 1701 01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:25,720 Speaker 1: conducted every five years, we have experienced a barely substantial 1702 01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,760 Speaker 1: decline in hunting participation UM on the order of in 1703 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:34,920 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven about thirteen point seven million hunters the 1704 01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:38,439 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen eleven point five million hunters, and these 1705 01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:42,280 Speaker 1: are people sixteen years and older. A modest uptick in 1706 01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,320 Speaker 1: recreational fishing there about thirty six million anglers as of 1707 01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:50,200 Speaker 1: the survey, and then wildlife viewing eighty six million. And 1708 01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,040 Speaker 1: so what I want to what I want to touch 1709 01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:55,000 Speaker 1: on is my concluded I've got I've got kind of 1710 01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,559 Speaker 1: a question. And on the way here, I was listening 1711 01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:02,479 Speaker 1: to the podcast that came out from Colorado, and during 1712 01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:04,960 Speaker 1: the concluders there you had a few of the guests. 1713 01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:10,280 Speaker 1: I know, Cal touched on this idea of trailhead diplomacy. 1714 01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:14,320 Speaker 1: He talked about like needing to interact in a positive 1715 01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:18,960 Speaker 1: way with the other people at the trailhead. Yeah. Yeah, putting, 1716 01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:25,080 Speaker 1: putting the hunting communities best foot forward. And you know, 1717 01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:28,759 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of effort that has gone into 1718 01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:34,000 Speaker 1: recruiting new hunters over the last ten years. Um. They 1719 01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:37,040 Speaker 1: talked about the three hours of recruiting, retaining, and reactivating 1720 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,800 Speaker 1: new hunters. But if you look at the demographics, we 1721 01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:43,680 Speaker 1: have this big bulge of hunters who are towards the 1722 01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,200 Speaker 1: end of their hunting career, and it's unlikely that there's 1723 01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,400 Speaker 1: going to be a similar kind of infusion of new 1724 01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:55,360 Speaker 1: hunters through recruitment to make up for this impending decline 1725 01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,240 Speaker 1: of baby boomers. Dina's baby boomers age out of the 1726 01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:03,880 Speaker 1: hunting puffet in reproduct of rates go down in the country. Yeah. 1727 01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:07,640 Speaker 1: So as a concluder, what I want to do is 1728 01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:09,120 Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask a question of 1729 01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:13,720 Speaker 1: the audience, all right, because I feel like as the 1730 01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:18,519 Speaker 1: hunting numbers decline, we have a couple of opportunities, we 1731 01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:22,760 Speaker 1: have a couple of a choice. Basically, one option is 1732 01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:33,280 Speaker 1: we think about our community in terms of hunters looking 1733 01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:38,320 Speaker 1: out for hunters, like doing everything we can two protect 1734 01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:42,160 Speaker 1: our interests and think about our community as a community 1735 01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:45,880 Speaker 1: of hunters hunters looking out for hunters. That's Option A, 1736 01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:50,080 Speaker 1: watching our own, watching our own. Option B is kind 1737 01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:54,880 Speaker 1: of like the trailhead diplomacy idea on steroids, where the 1738 01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:00,479 Speaker 1: hunting community takes a leadership role, still thing on the 1739 01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:05,600 Speaker 1: fact that some of America, the non hunting public, approves 1740 01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:12,640 Speaker 1: of hunting, and we champion a cause for conservation that 1741 01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:19,960 Speaker 1: welcomes in like actively seeks out partnership relationship with other 1742 01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:24,560 Speaker 1: segments of the conservation community to try to create a 1743 01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:31,320 Speaker 1: social monolith for conservation of which hunters are a central 1744 01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:35,160 Speaker 1: part but a member of a community. And the argument 1745 01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,360 Speaker 1: against doing that, the reason you would not want to 1746 01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:43,320 Speaker 1: do that is because that community comes with sharing more 1747 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,040 Speaker 1: decision space. Right. You can think about it in terms 1748 01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:52,280 Speaker 1: of funding. For example, we currently bear the bulk of 1749 01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:55,360 Speaker 1: the burden the fund state fish and wildlife agencies through 1750 01:47:55,439 --> 01:48:00,840 Speaker 1: license fees and the exercise taxes, if which buys us 1751 01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,760 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of influence, which buys us a disproportionate 1752 01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,720 Speaker 1: amount of influence. So if we want to share that 1753 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,400 Speaker 1: decision space, you're going to be sharing that decision space 1754 01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,240 Speaker 1: with a whole lot of people who might not have 1755 01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:14,479 Speaker 1: the same values, the same interests. But I would point 1756 01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:19,320 Speaker 1: again to the high approval rating among the non hunting 1757 01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:25,160 Speaker 1: public for regulated legal hunting, and I would point to 1758 01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:32,000 Speaker 1: the implications of us failing to act in a meaningful way, 1759 01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:35,320 Speaker 1: because if we're going to be a small element of 1760 01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:41,719 Speaker 1: the population in a democratic society and potentially losing quality 1761 01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,519 Speaker 1: and quantity of outdoor recreational opportunity as a result of 1762 01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:50,080 Speaker 1: most people just simply not caring about conservation in the 1763 01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:53,000 Speaker 1: long term, we have a lot to lose. But the 1764 01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:59,160 Speaker 1: question for the audience, and I I want to hear, like, honestly, 1765 01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,080 Speaker 1: I want to hear it, yep. If you feel like 1766 01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:06,520 Speaker 1: hunters need to look out for hunters first and foremost, 1767 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,880 Speaker 1: or the option a yep, I want to hear hunters 1768 01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:21,560 Speaker 1: as the foundation of a conservation revolution that involves a 1769 01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:25,800 Speaker 1: whole host of values. Everybody ready for that? Can you yep? 1770 01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:29,200 Speaker 1: With pause? Can you yep with baus like a like 1771 01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:35,680 Speaker 1: A like A like a reticent like yep, Nope, you 1772 01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,880 Speaker 1: get you get a you get A or you get B, 1773 01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:43,679 Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong like nobody. The only ground rule 1774 01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,040 Speaker 1: here is you cannot ridicule your neighbor one way or 1775 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,000 Speaker 1: the other for what they do. Is everybody cool with that? Okay? 1776 01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:53,120 Speaker 1: Look out for your own or extend to hand that. 1777 01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:55,880 Speaker 1: I like that. Look out for your own hunters. Looking 1778 01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:58,559 Speaker 1: out for hunters or extend your hand hunters as the 1779 01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:09,400 Speaker 1: catalysts for conservation revolution. Yeah, go ahead, looking out for 1780 01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:16,200 Speaker 1: your own runners as the catalyst for a conservation revolution. Yeah, 1781 01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,840 Speaker 1: all right. It's a good experiment. And thank you for 1782 01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:29,880 Speaker 1: bringing such a big, well thought concluder. That was. That 1783 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:35,559 Speaker 1: was a that was a an award winning concluder. Carl again, Carl, 1784 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:46,920 Speaker 1: Malcolm matt Ronello, you're honestly tell us thank you. Uh, 1785 01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:50,519 Speaker 1: couple of things. I want to look a woman because 1786 01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,080 Speaker 1: you had a thing you wanted to add. No, A 1787 01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:58,840 Speaker 1: couple of quick things out front. We have, uh long 1788 01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:02,880 Speaker 1: ago a buddy of mine that not long ago this spring, 1789 01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,519 Speaker 1: a buddy of mine was talking about a turkey he killed. 1790 01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,600 Speaker 1: How the turkey was ripping some gobbles and it was 1791 01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:10,679 Speaker 1: real cold morning, and every time he'd rip a gobble 1792 01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:13,120 Speaker 1: of steam cloud and come out of his mouth, and 1793 01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:15,320 Speaker 1: I observed that if I was a painter, that's the 1794 01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:20,040 Speaker 1: first thing I would paint. So a podcast listener made 1795 01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:24,320 Speaker 1: us the steam breathing power Gobbler and check out the 1796 01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:28,240 Speaker 1: posters out front. We got our genuine blouch shirts out front. 1797 01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:34,240 Speaker 1: And there was some other note sorry, wasn't there a 1798 01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:38,040 Speaker 1: thing that we decided that you were gonna say? No, 1799 01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:42,240 Speaker 1: there was some throwing of some hats. I recall, oh 1800 01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,160 Speaker 1: that there wasn't a thing like I said, that's your job. 1801 01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,400 Speaker 1: He did it as part of my concluder help everybody. Yeah, 1802 01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,160 Speaker 1: oh yeah, and we'll yeah, well we'll come up front 1803 01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:55,559 Speaker 1: to to to uh sign stuff and do some pictures 1804 01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:57,280 Speaker 1: and hang out until they say it's time to go home. 1805 01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,960 Speaker 1: So thanks a lot of guys appreciate it again. Thank you,