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We'll talk about it with Congressman 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: John Katko, Republican from New York, the ranking member on 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: the House Homeland Security Committee. Later our conversation with former 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Governor Mark Schweiker, who rose to that position when 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: Tom Ridge was tapped by President George W. Bush to 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: run a new department called Homeland Security. And the panel 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: today classic panel with Bloomberg Politics contributors Genie Schanzano and 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: Rick Davis. And thank you for being with us today 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: as we prepare to mark the twentieth anniversary of the 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: September eleventh attacks. Tributes planned in New York, in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: and here in Washington, d C. And we're joined now 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: off the top by the ranking member, the top Republican 30 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: on the Householmeland Security Committee, Representative John Katco of New York, Congressman. 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bloomberg Radio. Great to be my friend. 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: You have a special view from your perch on Homeland Security, 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: and I wonder what you can tell us about increased 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: chatter ahead of this twentieth anniversary. Are there any credible 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: threats against the US this weekend? Well, I uh, specific threats, no, 36 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: but a general increase in chatter based on what's happened 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan is definitely happening before Afghanistan blew up on us. 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: There was some chatter about the anniversary of nine eleven, 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: and that's that's to be expected from the bad guys. 40 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: But what happened after Afghanistan fell apart for the US? 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people dad had been somewhat 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: dormant in their hatred of the US, I think are 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: feeling a little bit more invigorated. That's what we're seeing online. 44 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: And I think that so there is a heightened alert, 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: nothing specific, but certainly some heightened concerned that people may 46 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: be evolved into, um, do more harm to the US. 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Give them what's happened in Afghanistan. If it's not specific, 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: Do you take it seriously? Yeah, we absolutely do. And 49 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I think, Um, when I was down in New York 50 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: City yesterday speaking with a police commissioner and then you know, 51 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: the head of their intelligence, you and it, they all 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: said the same thing. They're always on a heightened sense 53 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: of alert in New York City, but it's particularly so 54 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: in this anniversary. And give them what's happened in Afghanistan. So, yeah, 55 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: there's there's things to be concerned about, but uh, you know, 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: nothing specific. So so that's a good thing as well. 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: I saw that you were in New York this week 58 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: meeting with first responders, and I wonder, as you think 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: back twenty years, Congressman, how much progress we've made in 60 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: communicating threats from Washington to the men and women who 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: are protecting our cities and towns on the ground. Well. Yeah, 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: as you may know, the main conclusion of the nine 63 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: eleven commission was that there was a terrible, despicable failure 64 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: communication between the front line workers, uh, you know, the 65 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: emergency workers and the intelligence community and law enforcement community. 66 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: That lack of synergy is gone. It's uh. They have 67 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: us called Joint Terrorism task Forces all of the United States. 68 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: They work, you have federal, state, local embedded together, and 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: the exchange of information both within this country and internationally 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: is infinitely better than it was twenty years ago. I'm 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: sure you're asked this frequently. Are we safer now than 72 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: we were on September eleventh? Two? You know, it's it's 73 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: not an easy question to ask, and I'm not being caity, 74 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: uh from a communication standpoint, when there's a threat being 75 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: identified and being able to uh respond to in real time, Yes, 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: infinitely safer. But has a threat landscape changed dramatically. Yes, 77 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: it has. You have you have Afghanistan reinvigorated with possible 78 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: terrorist elements with l KA the embedded there, the nicest 79 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: now has a foothold there. You have a wide open 80 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: southern border which we've never had before, which is going 81 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: to be which is a real problem, and known that 82 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: suspected terrorists are coming across that border. You add to 83 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: that threat dynamic the very serious cyber cyber threats that 84 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: we have. Um. We know China has been a very 85 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: bad actor in that regard in Russia as well, and 86 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: the cyber threat is a very new and very serious 87 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: threat going forward. Uh and sometimes it didn't even exist 88 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, quite frankly, so, UM, you know that 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: the threat matrix is very different, much more complicated. Um. 90 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: And it's still to me quite significant. And that's why 91 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: US on Homeland Security and a very solemn mission to 92 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: try and do all the kind of to help our 93 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: frontline the security folks get to have all the tools 94 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: they need to get things done. You know, we didn't 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: have twenty years ago, was a Department of Homeland Security. 96 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: Of course, Congressman, we didn't have a t S A. 97 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: I wonder based on what you just said what we 98 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: need now should we be building new apparatus or changing 99 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: our posture based on these different threats. Well, we are 100 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: changing our posture to some extent, and that changes. Um. 101 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: I think T s A has done a very good 102 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: job of keeping the airline safe and the air base safe, 103 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: and we need to make sure that they always have 104 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: the updated technologies at their disposal, like three D technology 105 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: for bags and what have you. Uh. As the bad 106 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: guys try and get more sophisticated, we need to be 107 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: as well. With homeland security. We need to do more 108 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: with respect to cybersecurity in particular. We do a very 109 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: good job with the anti terrorism stuff, there's more we 110 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: can do. We heard that this week when we're at 111 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: the Ground zero and we had a hearing there. Um. 112 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: You know the grants that we give to local e 113 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: m T s, local frontline and urgency workers need more 114 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: of those and we've got to deliver. But the cybersecurity 115 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: is something that we're wealthfully lacking in my opinion, and uh, 116 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: we're trying to build up the cyber security and infrastructure 117 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: security component of homeland security to make it beefy enough 118 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: to be able to deal with the multiple threats, and uh, 119 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: I got to give kudos to this administration they've had. 120 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: They've put really good people in the right spots and 121 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: the cybersecurity arena, and think that's really helping going forward. 122 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: Congress Beancacko. After the attack on the Capitol on January six, 123 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: we're hearing about another potential demonstration by that same crowd 124 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: later on this month. They're calling it justice for j six. Uh, 125 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: September I think is the date. I wonder if if 126 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: that's a threat you're taking seriously. But more more general, 127 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: how are you balancing the threat of domestic terrorism with 128 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: threats from abroad? Which are you more worried about? Well, 129 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: I think that they're intertwined, um, And you know, there's 130 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: some domestic terrorism that's completely god organic from from the US, 131 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: and there's also domestic terrorism that's incited from from Afar. 132 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: And so let's talk about the ones that the domestic 133 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: ones first. The January six. Folks in the in the 134 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: what's gonna come up as protest September eight, take it 135 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: very seriously, especially given the fact that we had a 136 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: colossal failure of intelligence gathering and acting on the intelligence 137 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: that we had on January six, we can't let that 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: happen again. They're not going to the defenses are going up, securities, 139 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: un high alert, and we're really be better, better prepared. 140 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: But what's more difficult, which is a real meedle in 141 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: the haystack, is what's going to happen once you had 142 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: these terror groups again getting a foothold and metastasizing in Afghanistan, 143 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: is you're going to have their ability to really try 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: and influence through media and the Internet and whatever, to 145 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: influence and incite homegrown violent extremism from Afar. They did 146 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: that with respect to San Bernardino, they did that with 147 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: respect to the Pulse nightclub and several others in the 148 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: recent UH in our recent past, and they're being Isis 149 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: for example, when they had to teliph that they had 150 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: a whole cyber arm that really was focused on inciting 151 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: violence in the US, and I fear that similar arm 152 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: could develop with an Afghanistan. Now that okay is really 153 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: all over Afghanistan and okay to the Taliban or buddies, 154 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: that's very concerning to me. I'll tell you. Listening to 155 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: you talk about threats from abroad and threats from within 156 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: and thinking back twenty years, all of these conversations congressmen 157 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: seemed to end with the same question, and that's about intelligence. 158 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: If our intelligence apparatus isn't working, then the threat is 159 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: too late. You are absolutely spot on. That's exactly the 160 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: failure of twenty years ago. And it's why leaving Afghanistan 161 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: and the vacuum it is is such a disconcerting thing 162 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: to me because we don't have boots on the ground. 163 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: And I have a lot of faith in our intelligence community, 164 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: but when you don't have boots on the ground, you 165 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: have you you do have a lack of actionable intelligence. 166 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: And we are much better at that than we were 167 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. But still I don't believe in this 168 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: over horizon nonsense that we can deal with everything from Afar. 169 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe that our assets that we're in Afghanistan 170 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: are largely gone. Our ability to have a working relationship 171 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: with the Afghanis to root out terrorism is gone. We 172 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: have no foothold there. And um I also think that 173 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: they're say that there's probably a significant amount of resentment 174 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: given the fact that we abandoned them. They feel abandoned 175 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: and the people have been left behind, maybe involved into 176 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: to join the bad guys. So there's a there's a 177 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: real intelligence dynamic that is going on a lack of 178 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: intelligence dynamic going on in Afghanistan right now that everyone 179 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: is watching very closely. That that to me is one 180 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: of the biggest game changers in a bad way for us, 181 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: that that I've that I've seen in a while. What 182 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: are you doing to mark the anniversary tomorrow, Congressman, Well, 183 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to many events in town, hopefully my motorcycle, uh, 184 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: because it's a good, beautiful day. But this whole week, 185 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: my wife and I were in New York City and 186 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: we went to Ground zero, We went to the museum. 187 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: We visited places like Squad eighteen, a small firehouse down 188 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: in Manhattan that Lower Manhattan that has six firefighters per 189 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: shift generally generally because there's a very small little firehouse, 190 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: and they've lost seven people on that day. Uh, And 191 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, I visited with them, We had lunch with them, 192 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: and we visited a fire headquarters, we visited a police headquarters, 193 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: and wean why don let anyone know that you know, 194 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: we're thinking of them and we're going to continue to 195 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: work with them going forward. And Uh, it's been a 196 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: very solemn and very jarring week to relive a lot 197 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: of that. We lost friends in that day, my wife 198 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: and I and like many others did and uh um. 199 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: To see the survivors and to see people were lost 200 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: loved ones. It's a it's very it's a very stark remindrant. 201 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: Perhaps the best thing we can get out of this 202 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: weekend is to never ever forget and never let our 203 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: guard down again. And that's what that's our mission at 204 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: Homeland Security. We appreciate that Congressman Congressman John Katko, Republican 205 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: from New York, ranking member on the House Homeland Security Committee, 206 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: will be thinking about you tomorrow. Come see us again 207 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: soon on Bloomberg Radio. You got my friend, you take care. 208 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: And that sets us up to talk with our panel 209 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: as we spend this hour with Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie 210 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Sanzano and Rick Davis. They'll be up next with insights 211 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: on the evolving fret from within and without and how 212 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: the US is facing it. Sound On has brought to 213 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: you by Barish and McGarry, lawyers for the nine eleven community. 214 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: For twenty years, they've been fighting for those who continue 215 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: to get sick from nine eleven toxins. Free healthcare and 216 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: compensation are available. 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Thanks to both of you for 226 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: being here. We're gonna talk a little bit later about 227 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: the anniversary itself and some of our memories here, but 228 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: I want to start with where I just left off 229 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: with Congressman Kato talked about an increase in chatter since 230 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: the US withdrew from Afghanistan. He described would be terrorists, 231 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: is feeling more invigorated. While the threat may not be specific, Rick, 232 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: how concerned are you about the external threat? Will start 233 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: with the external threat facing America and did we just 234 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: make it worse? Yeah? I think Congressman Kako really made 235 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: a great point, which is we have this external threat 236 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: and and it's out there. Whether it's worse or not, 237 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to determine. I think that the immediacy of 238 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: the withdrawal from Afghanistan won't be reflected in a growth 239 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: in al Kada for some time. But we still have 240 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: issues with organizations there that actually just performed terrorist attacks 241 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: upon our troops UH in the last two weeks. So sure, 242 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: I think the external threat is real. I do think 243 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: part of what I thought Congressman Kato said, which I 244 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: thought was really important, is that the nine eleven Commission UH, 245 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: chaired by UH stalwarts like UH Tom Kane, did a 246 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: great job of identifying where the holes were in our 247 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: analysis of intelligence UH that we had and and so 248 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: those things should be better able to be prepared against. 249 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: But like I, I really think that that the idea 250 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: that UM Afghanistan's withdrawal is going to pose an immediate 251 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: threat to the United States is a bit much. But 252 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: I definitely agree with the Congressman that we we have 253 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: to find new ways to deal with that emerging threat 254 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: because we know al Qaeda and and the and the 255 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: Taliban are are in league, and so it's just reasonable 256 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: to think that al Qaeda will flourish under Taliban rule. 257 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: Do you need The ranking member of the Homeland Security 258 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: Committee in the House just tells us that he does 259 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: not buy the so called over the horizon approach that 260 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: we've been talking about as pursued by the Biden administration 261 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: following our withdrawal. Not that we have in done this before, 262 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: but does that concern you about the White House's plans 263 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: when when the top Republican on homeland security says it 264 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: won't work. It does because I think that the the 265 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: idea is that you are going to be able to 266 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: gather the same amount or you know, hopefully better intelligence 267 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: when you're not on the ground, strikes many people as 268 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: very very difficult to do. Um. So I do think 269 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: that that is a real concern. Um. I also think 270 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: the representative made a really important point about our vulnerability 271 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: to cyber threats. Um, that that has increased. I mean, 272 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: the reality is since we were attacked on nine eleven, 273 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: the nature of the threats against the United States have 274 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: changed and morphed and evolved in really significant ways. Um. 275 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: You know, one thing I'm just doing research on has 276 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: to do with how vulnerable are electric grid is. Now 277 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: many people don't connect that to issues of security, but 278 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: the US government estimates if we had a significant disruption 279 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: of our electrical grid in a year, the U s 280 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: population would die because so much of our life is 281 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: contained in that grid. So our vulnerabilities are dramatic, and 282 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: our ability to combat terrorism from abroad and domestically is, 283 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, not nearly what it should be by most estimations. 284 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the internal threat here, Rick, I was 285 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: in the Capitol building today. You spent a lot of 286 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: time in that building. The fences are going back up now, 287 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: we understand ahead of the events planned for September eleventh. 288 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: They're calling it the Justice for j six rally of 289 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: threatening or promising whatever word I should use to to 290 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: free the political prisoners as they described them, who were 291 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: arrested following the insurrection. Could January six happen again? Are 292 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: you worried about this? Sure? Absolutely? I gotta believe the 293 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: head of the FBI, the head of the CIA, UH, 294 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: the law enforcement officials of our country have said for 295 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: years that the biggest threat to the homeland is domestic 296 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: domestic terror. And why wouldn't we believe that we saw 297 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: it happen on January six, and yet we still reject 298 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: the idea that we need to examine and have a 299 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: commission on January six to understand better what those failures 300 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: of intelligence were. I mean, it was just such a 301 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: stark interview you did with Congressman Kaka, who was recounting 302 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: how much we've learned and how we've been able to 303 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: create new institutions as a result of the nine eleven commission. 304 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: And yet today there's still a fierce to pay as 305 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: to whether we should have a commission that studies the 306 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: latest attack on our homeland. It's incredible, Genie, when you 307 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: think about this. Not much has been done to secure 308 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: our capital since that day, That's right, And you know, 309 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: while they are debating, you know, we are not getting 310 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: the necessary congressional investigation to determine the greatest threat to 311 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: our capital in in you know, hundreds of years. You 312 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: know how that occurred, why it occurred, and what we 313 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: could do differently. And we we need to remember, we 314 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: talk obviously and importantly a lot about January six, but 315 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: threats to domestic terrorist threats go back many many years, 316 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: if not a decade or more, and they have been serious. 317 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: They are connected to everything from the Fort Hood shooting 318 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: in Massacre Um, you know, to the attempt you know, 319 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: the bomb hidden in the underwear on Christmas Day. All 320 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: of those were connected to domestic terrorism. And so those 321 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: threats are real and they have been deadly at the 322 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, the Orlando of the Pols nightclub among them. 323 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: So we've had a you know a long time to 324 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: start to address these and it's frustrating that after January six, 325 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: so little support for that. Yeah, for sure, the panel 326 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: stays with us for the hour. Rick and Jennie will 327 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: be backwards. We all remember Oklahoma City is what closed 328 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Avenue outside the White House. Coming up, we talked 329 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: with Mark Schweiker, the former governor of Pennsylvania. Stay with 330 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: us on sound on. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg 331 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: broadcasting live from our nation's capital, Bloomberg to New York, 332 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven Frio to Boston, Bloomberg one oh six one 333 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine sixty to the country Sirius 334 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: XM Channel one and around the globe of Bloomberg Business 335 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This is Bloomberg Sound 336 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matt Hugh. So many people were called 337 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: to duty in so many different ways following the attacks 338 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: on September eleventh, including our next guest, as we prepare 339 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: to speak with the former Governor of Pennsylvania, Mark Schweiker, 340 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: who was sworn in as the executive on October fifth, 341 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: two thousand one. I was just weeks later following Governor 342 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: Tom Ridge's appointment by President George W. Bush to have 343 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: the brand new Office of Homeland Security. We'll speak with 344 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: the Governor coming up next. I'm sure you're thinking about 345 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: where you were that day twenty years ago, as so 346 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: many of us recall the events of September eleven. My 347 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: own memories are right here in the nation's capital. But 348 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: everyone has their own story, not just the story about 349 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: what they were doing that day when they heard the news, 350 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: saw the images for the first time, but also when 351 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: they went home that night and the President of the 352 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: United States addressed the nation from the Oval Office. Today, 353 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: our fellow citizens, are way of life, are very freedom 354 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly 355 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: terrorist acts. President George W. Bush, who we understand, along 356 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: with the former First lady, we'll spend tomorrow in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, 357 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: will visit the Flight ninety three National Memorial September one. 358 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: He will deliver remarks during the observance ceremony, and our 359 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: commander in chief now will be there as well as 360 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: President Joe Biden plans to visit all three sites. And 361 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: that's a place that means a lot to our next 362 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: guest for a lot of reasons. The former governor of Pennsylvania, 363 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: Mark Schweikert is with us now. Governor, thanks for being 364 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: with us today on Bloomberg sound On. I know this 365 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: might be a little bit difficult for it is for 366 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: so many of us. But you were a lieutenant governor 367 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: that day, and when Tom Ridge went to Washington, called 368 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: by President Bush, you became the forty four governor of 369 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania before you were called to duty and rose to 370 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: the corner office as it were. What did you do 371 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: that day? What? What was the first phone call you 372 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: got that morning? Well, it was a series of phone 373 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: calls Joe in Pennsylvania and our administration. While Tom was 374 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: to Gov. Uh. You know, I was the the chair 375 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: of of the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Council, which which was 376 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: a you know, an essential planning and deliberative body and 377 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: operational in nature, so so to speak, I was the 378 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: top executive and emergency response so related to the incoming calls. 379 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: And that morning, I mean, we all remember the hard 380 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: pictures and you know, the American airliner hitting the North Tower, 381 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: of the United Airliner hitting the South Tower at nine 382 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: oh three, then the next airliner hitting the Pentagon and 383 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: then tracking flight ninety three and its errand ways before 384 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: it crashed into the western Pennsylvania hillside. So as far 385 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: as our emergency operations center in Pennsylvania's four and seven, 386 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: and the first phone call came in about the initial 387 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: impact UH. Then the National Defense protocol kicked in after 388 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: flight one seventy five at the South Tower and I 389 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: returned to the capital. So call one was about what 390 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: we all saw, the puzzlement of that first plane hit 391 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: and then realizing that this was gonna be a breath 392 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: taking a violent day when hit the South Tower and 393 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: and then en route as we talked about incoming calls, UH, 394 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: I was live with the Cleveland center of the faas 395 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: they were trying to raise UH flight ninety three, and 396 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: that call did not last long as the world knows, 397 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: and certainly Americans know that it went down in the 398 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: field just before ten am, less than an hour after 399 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, the South Tower was hit. So it was 400 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: a raucous demanding our many many phone calls, and really 401 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: just to initiate Pennsylvania's deployment to support other states. Initially, 402 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: I'll add this, Joe, and then back to your your thoughts. 403 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: Is the first non New York state urban search and 404 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: rescue team on the pile in in southern Manhattan the towers, 405 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: the collapse to towers, that is was Pennsylvania. So we 406 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,239 Speaker 1: were in a systive mode. But quickly we had our 407 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: own challenge. Uh. When flight ninety three crashed in to Shankshill, 408 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: how long did it take for that to make sense? 409 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: There was obviously a great concern. We'll never know for sure, 410 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: but that that plane was supposed to be headed for Washington. 411 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: Could have been the Capitol, could have been the White House. 412 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: A lot of people think it was headed straight for 413 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: the capital Dome. Uh, then suddenly it lands the crashes 414 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: in your backyard. Well, I think you know most of 415 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: your listeners know the nation's map, and you know the 416 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: flight ninety three originated at terminal A Gate seventeen at 417 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: Newark International Airport and headed west. As an important parenthetic thought. 418 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: You know that college Chik Muhammad, the blood thirsty killer 419 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: that he is, who led the conspiring tourists. Uh you 420 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: know they were They were dastardly enough too. They wanted 421 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: long flights with plenty of fuel to cause the conflagration 422 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: that we all saw. So the Boston flights uh headed 423 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: for l A Light ninety three was headed for San Francisco, 424 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: and uh So the point being that, uh, this all 425 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: transpired in the span of under two hours, and for 426 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: for my role, uh, it was a general quarters challenge 427 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: situation in that uh you know, the three planes had 428 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: gone down and it was and route back to the 429 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: capitol before I boarded a helicopter to return to the 430 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: Capitol quickly. And that rendezvous that in parallel was the 431 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: Cleveland center of the f a A trying to raise 432 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: flight and that call ended with me being informed that 433 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: we think it's down and likely in western Pennsylvania. So 434 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: to the point being, it went from our assistant role 435 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: perhaps to these other jurisdictions too. We've got a deployment 436 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: and recovery operation in summers at County, Pennsylvania. What was 437 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: going through your mind when you were called to the 438 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: Higher Office. You understand suddenly that Tom Ridge is going 439 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: to Washington to start this new department called Homeman Security. 440 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: What kind of pressure, What kind of feelings were you 441 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: going through? Well, I'd say, Joe, and and it was 442 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: one of complete confidence and our team and not my team. 443 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: I've often said that, you know, Tom Ridge and I 444 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: are very close and even governmentally, he often talked about, 445 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, his lieutenant governor was going to do heavy 446 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: lifting and would be involved intimately every step of the way, 447 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: which meant, you know, I had complete feel uh and 448 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: command of our pursuits and agenda. And so I kind 449 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: of used a football metaphor. Joe was was that, you know, 450 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: the quarterback was going to change, but our offense was not. 451 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, we had Tom and I were comfortable and 452 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: had mastered it, and uh, you know, we wanted a 453 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: smooth succession. So and to that point, not one cabinet 454 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: member left because it was a commitment to the people 455 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania first and to Rid Schweiker concurrently, So the 456 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: two of us, and so, uh, my outlook was one 457 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: of being sober about the role and the challenge. Uh 458 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: and and um also honoring so to speak, the writers 459 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: of our state constitution, which wanted a smooth succession, and 460 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: you know that, you know, I was mindful of that, 461 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: and so was Tom. So the word had gone out, 462 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, the first team was staying other than our 463 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: chiefest Death who went down with Tom to on Earth 464 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: and and and stand up that new homeland security unit. 465 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: And we had work to do here, uh and and 466 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: not just an in operational level to support the forensic 467 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: in law enforcement work that was underway in Somerset County. 468 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: It was also to be out and about and to 469 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: engage the residents and citizens of Pennsylvania because, as you 470 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: mentioned in your opening remarks, the sense of being overrun, 471 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: of feeling vulnerable and grief was strong. And at that point, uh, 472 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, on a psycho emotional level, it's the governor's 473 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: job to be out and about and and to say 474 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: we're going to get through this, We're gonna power through 475 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: and and part of that means you, you know, you're 476 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: not going to sit in the Capitol in a cozy 477 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: in a cozy chair. You got work to do out 478 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: in the field. And so as soon as it took 479 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: the oath. I had ten days on the road, and 480 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: and it included you know, saying thank you the first responders, 481 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: acknowledging that Urban Search and Rescue team, all Pennsylvania's that 482 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: went up there, and many and some of them have 483 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: died since, uh and and and and more than that, 484 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: it was also the combination because we had people making 485 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: the mental leap that you know, the these American hating 486 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: terrorists were somehow only of the Muslim faith. That's just 487 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: not accurate. And it was to say that you know, 488 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: there are good, uh, religious minded members of Mosque who 489 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: are America lovers, and you know that's not where we're 490 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: gonna go as a state. And let's keep ourselves calm 491 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: and centered. So a variety of fronts that most governors 492 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: never experience, because think about it, this is the second 493 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: bloodiest day brought on by air attacks on foreign on 494 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: US soil in the history of our country. So no 495 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: governor would you know, we were kind of, you know, 496 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: making decisive moves on the fly. I never do this, governor, 497 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: but we're we've got to cancel a scheduled commercial break 498 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: because I can't stop this conversation. It's too important and 499 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: I want to ask you. You know this stuff transcends politics. 500 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Governor Schweiker about an op 501 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: ed that you wrote, It's time for America to put 502 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: the nine eleven master mind on trial. Uh. This was 503 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, but it's it's hitting home 504 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: today as you write, two decades ago, collegiate Mohammed was 505 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: plotting the terror attacks that would murder thousands of Americans 506 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: on September eleventh, terror cells were inside our country. America 507 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: had no idea what was to come when they boarded 508 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: airplanes that morning. Why has he not been brought to justice? Well, 509 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: some legitimate reasons, like the pandemic, which President Biden had 510 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: mentioned late winter of this year. Uh, and some hard 511 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: to understand Joe to be candid. Uh, you know this 512 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: is all of every administration had reasons not to be aggressive. Uh. 513 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: And so I I was motivated one days after President 514 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: Biden had reached that hundredth day in the White House, 515 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: and so to speak, wanted to provide a provocative m 516 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: under that that justice awaits and often I had and 517 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: I do know many many families. I spoke to Debbie Bodley, 518 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: who whose daughter Diora was the youngest passenger on flight 519 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: ninety three. She would have chilled be forty She would 520 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: have been forty one tomorrow and she was twenty one 521 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: that day. Amazingly so had opted for stand by status 522 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: and board it to the late departing flight ninety three 523 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: and you know, to her death and part of that 524 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: freedom loving group that took on the terrorists aboard flight. 525 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: So they want justice, they want accountability, they want this aired, 526 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: and the the jihadi jihadi terrorists, especially college Chiik Mohammed, 527 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: have to be called to account that I think the 528 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: way your listeners should ponder this is and this happened 529 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: in the northern provinces of Afghanistan, which are now back 530 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: in the hands of the very people that gave sanction 531 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: to uh College Chiek Mohammed and Osama bid Lauded. And 532 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: it's in that stretch of years between and two thousand 533 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: that the notion, the conceptual idea, I mean too many 534 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: people talk about it, some have been laden he was 535 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: merely the financier, the mastermind of and conceiving the idea 536 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: of common during these airliners was K S. M. And 537 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: he is a blood thirsty killer and you know by 538 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: his own admission that he wanted blood on the streets 539 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: of the United States of America. So if and if 540 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: I had said to anyone listening to your show that 541 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: there's someone that's contemplating an attempt at bringing about the 542 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: demise of every man, woman and child living in Palo Alto, California, 543 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: you would say, we got to stop him. Well, Uh, 544 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: this is what's occurred. I mean, if you, if you 545 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: do the death toll, and I say this gently and respectfully, 546 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, almost three thousand in one day, Uh thousands 547 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: have died from that toxic maloo and atmosphere there was 548 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: that was a part of the pile in Manhattan. They 549 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: estimated to easily be ten thousand soon because of aggressive 550 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: cancers that they're taking the lives to the first responders. 551 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: There are some who predicted to be as high as 552 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: four d thousand, that's how many had had labored there. 553 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: Then you throw in or add in I should say, 554 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: seven thousand in in the war on tour. It is 555 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: not being melodramatic to say that college Chief Muhammad wentn't 556 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: blood on the streets and to and to kill an 557 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: entire city. Uh, this is his outlook, This was his 558 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: This was his m O and so to my way 559 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: of thinking. And this is what makes it quite raw. 560 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: Days after we lose fourteen American fighting men and women 561 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: are thirteen two weeks ago outside the Kupol Airport. And 562 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: add to that count that the trial is just now 563 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: being restarted based on the news of this past Tuesday. 564 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: Knowing that and to finish the leg Cheek Muhammad was 565 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: apprehended in in Afghanistan in two thousand and three, has 566 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: been running free up to that point and sitting in 567 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: at least four miles from Pennsylvania in Guantanamo. Obey, it 568 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: is time for the wheels to start rolling again towards justice. 569 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: I know that's part of your mission, Governor, and we'd 570 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: like to think that this is going to proceed. But 571 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: I would encourage everyone to read the op ed. It's 572 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: from It's from May May twenty. You can google it. 573 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: Mark Schweiker. It's time for America to put the N 574 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: eleven mastermind on trial. Governor, thank you for your service 575 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 1: to the country and thank you for talking to me today. 576 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Good luck tomorrow with whatever you're gonna 577 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: be doing. Tomorrow will be a special day and in 578 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. I guess as people recall 579 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: the events of twenty years ago, but it's really started today, 580 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: Maybe it started days ago, depending on where you hold 581 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: this this date in your heart and the experiences that 582 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: you have. But there's so many different moments. As we 583 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: just spoke with Governor Schwiker and remembering the events in 584 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania as well as here in Washington. This is a 585 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: moment from CNN. Yeah, if we can play this a 586 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: moment from CNN as we were still in the fog, 587 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: No idea, what was going on remembering that moment that 588 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: the governor just described, you heard about an airplane that 589 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: was maybe headed to Washington. Former Senator John McCain was 590 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: on CNN at this moment before actions are taken. I'm 591 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to interrupt you, Senator McCain. These are 592 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: the first pictures we have in This is from Somerset County, Pennsylvania. 593 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: This is where the United Airlines flight I believe it 594 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: is one seventy six went down. I'm sorry, I'm correcting 595 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: United Airlines three. This was a Boeing seven fifty seven 596 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 1: bound from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco. It crashed 597 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: in Summerset County, Pennsylvania, near the town of Shanksville. A 598 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: lot of people learned the name of that town for 599 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: the first time that day, I'd say most people. As 600 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: John McCain was speaking about the threat against America on 601 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: the phone at that moment, and we're joined again by 602 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Genie Chanzano and Rick Davis. Rick, 603 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: that was your old boss. They're talking, and of course 604 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: the events that unfolded that day he was he was 605 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: in the Capitol as he was witnessing everything. We were 606 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: all watching on TV. You were in town that day too, Yeah, Joe, 607 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: it was. It was a very, uh, incredible day that 608 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: I'll remember for the rest of my life. It was 609 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: actually Republican primary day in New York. I had been 610 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: doing some work with Michael Bloomberg's first campaign for mayor 611 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: and UH. I was planning on hopping on a train 612 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: and being there for the primary and UH celebration of 613 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: his nomination as the Republican nominee for mayor and UH 614 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: and I chose not to go because it was such 615 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: an incredibly beautiful day. And I was in my office 616 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: and Alexandria when when John McCaine called me UH shortly 617 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: after that interview around UH saying he'd in order to 618 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: evacuate the Capitol because they thought there were other planes 619 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: that might hit the Capitol. Little did we know at 620 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: that time the one that was described United Flight nine 621 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: was the one that might have actually been headed to 622 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: the Capitol. And he scurried off to one of his 623 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: aids UH flats in Capitol Hill and checked in with me. 624 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: And it just shows you the lack of information that 625 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: was happening. Everything we learned that day we learned from 626 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: the news media, and UH, I think caught all of 627 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: official Washington UH flat footed. The politics were kind of 628 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: dropped that day, Genie, because so many of us were 629 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: pulled out of the reality that we thought we were 630 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: living in. What did you recall from that morning? Well, 631 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: that's right, you know, I think that Um, as I 632 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: go into the classroom this year, we have freshmen and 633 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: sophomores in our introductory classes who were not alive during 634 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: nine eleven, and um, you know, this is a generation 635 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: that didn't live through this. Personally, I'm in New York, 636 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: so we get a lot of people who have family 637 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: members and they hear a lot and certainly we hope 638 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: that they're learning about it in school. But it really 639 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: cemented in me this year as I think about it, 640 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: the importance of trying to make sure that they learned 641 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: the lessons from nine eleven and that we do a 642 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: better job as educators teaching those lessons and as people 643 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: in the community. Um. You know, I was on campus 644 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: the day it happened. We lost fifteen Alum. We memorialized 645 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: them every year, UM, but you know, this year in 646 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 1: particular is so striking because again, at twenty years, you've 647 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: got a general ration for whom this is something that 648 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: they did not live through, and the importance to them 649 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: of making sense of it, and you know, learning about 650 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: it is all that much more critical today. Yeah, I 651 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: want to know. Following Rix Common, of course, Michael Bloomberg 652 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: is the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the 653 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: parent of Bloomberg Radio. I will say that I was 654 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: in Washington on that day in two thousand one. I 655 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: was working in the National Press Building, just a block 656 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: away from the Treasury, two blocks away from the White House, 657 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: near Metro Center if you've been a tourist in Washington, 658 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: and as I emerged from Metro Center, took the subway 659 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: to work that day. Uh, the jets were just arriving 660 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: and the sound of fighter jets at a low level, 661 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: and when we still didn't know what was going on, 662 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: a lot of us thought as people look to the sky, 663 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: that we were under attack by another country. Then we 664 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: saw the smoke coming from the Pentagon, and I wonder, Rick, 665 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: why so the set about Washington, which was of course 666 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: one of the three sites attacked that day, And some 667 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: suggest that it's because it was not a civilian target 668 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: that the Pentagon was struck a military installation, which just 669 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: made it different. What are your thoughts on that? You know, 670 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that um. I think that 671 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: Washington had its own way of dealing with a crisis 672 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: like this. We tend to uh take the blow and 673 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: and and prepare to attack, which is exactly what we did. Um. 674 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: I think that the world and the nation was focused 675 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: on the horrific UH sites and sounds of the fallen 676 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: Twin Towers in New York. I don't think there was 677 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: any other way to grieve. I mean, we had people 678 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: we knew lost their lives and the Pentagon, and yet 679 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: the focus was what happened in New York City and 680 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: it galvanized the world. It was a moment where everybody 681 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: sort of put their emotions out and said, you know 682 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: that they were grieving for those oaks in New York 683 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: and and so I think that it's just a matter 684 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: of like what did you focus on? And uh, I 685 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: know shortly after that first day, the second day, I 686 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: went up to the Capitol to see center McCain and 687 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: and it was like an armed camp. We had already 688 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,919 Speaker 1: deployed our forces. As you say, I mean, you would 689 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: have thought our nation's capital had been under attack by 690 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: a well equipped foreign fighting force. And uh, the only 691 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: time I've ever seen anything like that, frankly, was right 692 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: after the insurrection at the Capitol on January seven. A 693 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: lot of people, uh invoked those memories on January. Uh. So, well, 694 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: I guess following the sixth inauguration day, Rick and oh 695 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: my god, I'll never forget walking home up Connecticut Avenue 696 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: that night, there were police cruisers at every intersection and 697 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,959 Speaker 1: not a car and walking straight up the center line, 698 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: there was no interruption. As I walked up to my 699 00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: neighborhood from downtown Washington that day. It's ub then that 700 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 1: will be thinking about tomorrow, Genie, and I wonder, as 701 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: we of course talk here on a political program, what 702 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: the job is going to be for the commander in 703 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: chief President Biden speaks tomorrow. You know, I think his job, 704 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: and and this is something that he has proven to 705 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: be particularly good at, is to be empathetic to all 706 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: of those thousands of people who lost their lives, not 707 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: just that day, but as the Governor I think so 708 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: rightly mentioned, the people who went to the pile and 709 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: who have lost their lives are been very sick as 710 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: a result. In that number is still coming in in 711 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: the thousands and thousands, and of course the people who 712 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: died in the War on Terror and people who are 713 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: impacted in every way and continue to be um. I 714 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: think he's got to be empathetic to the victims and 715 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: their families. I think he's also has to be, you know, 716 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: a leader in terms of how we are going to 717 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: make sense of what happened and move forward. What are 718 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: those lessons we should take away, How do we pre 719 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: hect ourselves going forward. I think he's got to do 720 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: all of those things. But number one, I think he's 721 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: got to be empathetic to the victims and Unfortunately, I 722 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: think the president may encounter some resistance, people who feel 723 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: like getting out of Afghanistan makes us more vulnerable, and 724 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: he's going to have to contend with that as well. 725 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: Rick and Jennie, thank you for being with us.