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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to another episode of Boucher Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: It is me one of your hosts, Becca, who's going

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Speaker 1: through a few things, because I'm sure if you have

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Speaker 1: been keeping up with the headlines or are on social

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Speaker 1: media and just part of About Nation as a whole,

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Speaker 1: you know that a lot has gone down within the

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Speaker 1: past week, and we're going to be doing things a

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Speaker 1: little bit differently with this episode. And I need to

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Speaker 1: start first by saying what you're about to listen to.

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Speaker 1: The episode that you're about to hear today was recorded

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Speaker 1: prior to a few things. It's going to probably seem

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Speaker 1: a little bit choppy, a little bit out of context

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Speaker 1: because since we recorded, Rachel Kirknell, who is a contestant

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Speaker 1: on Matt's current season, has released a statement in which

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Speaker 1: she apologized for past racist actions. And it was also

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Speaker 1: recorded prior to Chris Harrison's statement. Both with an apology

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Speaker 1: and also with the news that he will be stepping

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Speaker 1: aside from the franchise or after the final rows and

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Speaker 1: potentially beyond. It's a lot to comprehend in Bachelor Nation,

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Speaker 1: at least for me, but I can only imagine for

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Speaker 1: my co host Rachel, it's just been even more so,

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Speaker 1: even more of a load, even more of a burden

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Speaker 1: to take on, which is why I am hogging the

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Speaker 1: mic for a few minutes now. If you haven't yet

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Speaker 1: done so, I highly recommend checking out Rachel's episode on

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Speaker 1: her other podcast, which is called Higher Learning. It came

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Speaker 1: out last week and it includes all of Rachel's feelings

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Speaker 1: on her conversation with Chris, as well as her initial

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Speaker 1: reaction on Rachel Kirknell's statement that she put out there

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Speaker 1: but we I don't want to keep having her have

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Speaker 1: to relive this. What I can only assume it was

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Speaker 1: one of the most extremely difficult conversations she's had to have.

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Speaker 1: So if you need to hit pause on this for

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Speaker 1: a moment, please do so. Please go listen to Higher

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Speaker 1: Learning and listen to what Rachel has to say, and

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Speaker 1: if you do, I encourage you to just hear how

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Speaker 1: she feels as a black woman without asking her to

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Speaker 1: have to relive everything once again. You know we won't

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Speaker 1: be offended if you don't listen to us right now,

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Speaker 1: So again, please pause this, go check that out, and

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Speaker 1: then come back to us. One thing that I want

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Speaker 1: to personally say on behalf of myself, on behalf of

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Speaker 1: a co host and a friend to Rachel, is just

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Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you for being you, but thank you

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Speaker 1: for being a beacon of fight and hope in the

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Speaker 1: face of continuous ignorance and racism that we see in

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Speaker 1: our world and within Batchelor nation. I am no exception

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Speaker 1: to that. I have made many mistakes in my past

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Speaker 1: in conversations that were racially insensitive, racially ignorant, and I

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Speaker 1: am personally trying to learn, learn and grow, and that,

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Speaker 1: Rachel Lindsay, is so much due to you. And I

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Speaker 1: hope that everyone listening to this podcast who have stuck

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Speaker 1: with us since the beginning are able to learn and

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Speaker 1: grow as well. And to be able to see a

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Speaker 1: white woman from Minnesota and a black woman from Texas

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Speaker 1: come together each week and have deep, important and sometimes

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Speaker 1: for one another and to form a solid friendship from that,

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Speaker 1: it means the world to me. Rachel. I value your

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Speaker 1: friendship and your loyalty above so much else, and so

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Speaker 1: thank you, and I want you to know that as

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Speaker 1: a co host, but also as a friend and an

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Speaker 1: ally that I hear you. I stand beside you, your

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Speaker 1: back whenever you want it, even if you don't want it.

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Speaker 1: And I know I'm not alone in saying that, because

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Speaker 1: we saw an incredible show of solidarity with the women

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Speaker 1: clarentatious seats and standing beside you, and so just know

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Speaker 1: that we are here for you. We will fight, we

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Speaker 1: will be allies. We just have your back. You know.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm not as eloquent as I would like

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Speaker 1: to be. You know, Rachel's always the great one with

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Speaker 1: the words here, but I needed to say that before

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Speaker 1: we really get into the rest of this episode. So

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Speaker 1: everyone listening, I try to leave by example. I hope

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Speaker 1: everyone can take something from that. I'm not perfect. I

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Speaker 1: know I'm not perfect. I will continue to screw up,

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Speaker 1: but if if nothing else, please continue to hold me accountable,

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Speaker 1: just like I will do so the same in my circles.

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Speaker 1: But I just encourage everyone listening to look at Rachel

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Speaker 1: and her strength to continue to fight for what we

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Speaker 1: know is right. So thank you for letting me ramble

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Speaker 1: to me, and thank you more importantly to Rachel Rachel

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Speaker 1: so thank you. Rachel and I have had some conversations

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Speaker 1: to light within Vater Nation. I'm sure in lesser living

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Speaker 1: under Rock you probably have seen some things go down.

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Speaker 1: Different conversations are being had between my wonderful co host

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Speaker 1: And I want to lead with this is in terms

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Speaker 1: speak on you know, the social media history and things

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Speaker 1: at this point as statement will come as at this

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Speaker 1: point right now, she has not released a statement, which

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Speaker 1: and Rachel and I we've had multiple conversations of how this,

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Speaker 1: especially you, I think has made you feel the silence,

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Speaker 1: like the lack of words and the same at being said,

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know that Rachel life is

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Speaker 1: a learning process for everyone, and I've tried to learn

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Speaker 1: as much as I could within this past year, and

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Speaker 1: I still am. But there's still more that needs to

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Speaker 1: be done that I see. And maybe it's not fair

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Speaker 1: want you to know, as a podcast host and more

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Speaker 1: more importantly, as a friend, I have your back, like

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Speaker 1: I stand by you when we do have a statement

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Speaker 1: come out, when we do have to question her all

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Speaker 1: of that, But just so so the world and these

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Speaker 1: listeners know in Vaterination, we're not trying to ignore what's

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Speaker 1: been going on. We will cover it one day, hopefully

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Speaker 1: just wanted to say that. I know I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: I mean, all I will say is you, guys, I'm

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Speaker 1: fucking tired, I'm exhausted. I well, no, no, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I had taken that back. But what I do want

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Speaker 1: to recognize is Becca, thank you for saying that. Thank

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate you always having my back, always supporting me.

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Speaker 1: You know you guys. She sends me text checks on

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Speaker 1: me when things are going on. And that's what it

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Speaker 1: means to be an ally. It means to be outspoken,

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Speaker 1: means to not just say things. It means to act

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Speaker 1: post and reposting, you know, Black Lives Matter thing or

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Speaker 1: retweeting or whatever it may be. It means to actually

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Speaker 1: be actively anti racist. Okay, that's what it means to

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Speaker 1: really be an ally in all of this. And I'll

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Speaker 1: be honest, I don't have many allies. I don't really

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Speaker 1: have many allies of people who are actively really trying

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Speaker 1: to fight things that are racist, things that maybe where

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Speaker 1: there's implicit racism, things that are racist adjacent, which is

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Speaker 1: this what we're dealing with in the current situation in

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation. And so I think that's what I'm tired

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Speaker 1: of That's what I'm frustrated with. I'm tired of. Whenever

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Speaker 1: there's an issue in Bachelor Nation, people want to come

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Speaker 1: to me and they want to know what is Raciel thing?

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Speaker 1: Oh is Rachel going to say something? Is she gonna

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Speaker 1: about that, Ask yourself that question. Why is it up

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Speaker 1: Maybe Rachel shouldn't be the one who's speaking. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: would be so much more impactful if other people that

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Speaker 1: if you actually called out those people who were so

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Speaker 1: quick to repost things on their social so quick to

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Speaker 1: heard from them since nothing nothing sense and most recent

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Speaker 1: people have you seen actively say something, actively act on

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Speaker 1: Becca for everything that you do and what you represent.

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Speaker 1: I am exhausted I am tired, and it's it like

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Speaker 1: never freaking stops. Yeah, And I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: going to say stupid stuff at some point and probably

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Speaker 1: just the silence. And I hope that we can have

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I hope we have her to sit

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Speaker 1: you know, I was caught, I'm sorry. Yeah. Piece, it's actions, people,

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Speaker 1: It's actions. How many people have you seen post a

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Speaker 1: there and says, you're I'm the long term investment. This

430
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: is a woman who's not ready for marriage, kids and

431
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: all of that. So and I feel like Matt was

432
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: kind of like me neither way like that, thank you neither.

433
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: But she eliminates. There was seemed to be no emotion

434
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: really from her, no emotion from him. It was weird.

435
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: I've never seen a self elimination like that. Usually at

436
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: this point in the journey, people are sad, and maybe

437
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: that's why she decided to let it go. Yeah, I

438
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: think she knew at that point, like especially for hometowns,

439
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: and she talked about how important like her mom and

440
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: the career was to her. That like, I'm not surprised

441
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: that she chose to leave at that moment. I kept wondering,

442
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: you remember the very first teaser we saw at his

443
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: premiere where it shows him just like sobbing outside and

444
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming up and be like, what's going on? Yeah,

445
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: I keep wondering. I thought that was going to happen

446
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: last night. I don't know why. Maybe it was like

447
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: the outfit he was wearing. I felt like it was

448
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: very similar. So I'm like, when is this moment going

449
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: to happen? I knew it wasn't gonna. I don't think

450
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: any of these women are bringing him I said this earlier.

451
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these women are bringing him

452
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: down to his knees like that. He does not. I

453
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: do not feel the love. Okay, you know what song

454
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: is not playing in the background? Can you feel the

455
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: love tonight? El John is not making appearance neither or

456
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: Simba and Nala. I feel nothing between Matt and these women.

457
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: He likes them, he seems cool with them, he seems

458
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: attracted to them. But there's like there's spark. I've never

459
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: seen anything like it before, which it's like the complete

460
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: opposite of Peter where he seemed to fall in love

461
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: with everyone. Matt just seems to be big kick in it.

462
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: And they're like the ying and the yang, like so

463
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: vastly different in the way that they handle their relationships.

464
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like it's not intimate. I mean they

465
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: had the most He had the most intimate date with

466
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: Serena last night and there was nothing. Nothing. He's like,

467
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: I like you, you know what I like? Matt is friends.

468
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: Matt is the homie. I'm telling y'all, he is friend

469
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: zoning all these women. There is no spark, no connection.

470
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Either that or he's just awkward.

471
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: Maybe with dating women. He's attractive, but there's no charm.

472
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: He's handsome, but there's no He's not like a smooth operator.

473
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: Something is afoot, something is missing. I don't know what

474
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: it is, but you know who we can ask our guest,

475
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: our guest who is coming up before we bring her on.

476
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: I do want to acknowledge that we have made it

477
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: to hometowns. Hometowns are always a big week. Cannot wait

478
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: to see what we have in store with that. We

479
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: saw Piper go home. Want to acknowledge that because we

480
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: just had her on the podcast as well. I really

481
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: thought Piper was going to get a hometown I too,

482
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: especially after that one on one with Serena pem Oh, yeah,

483
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: I would have I would have said for sure, Piper

484
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: is going to hometown. Serena see wait, Serena, see Serena

485
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: pe Serena. Pee would have would have gone home, especially

486
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: after like how uncomfortable she was. Absolutely, but you know, again,

487
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: things we don't see. But again, Rachel, men's decisions don't

488
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: always make sense to us. They don't, they absolutely don't.

489
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: Um But we have Piper on the podcast last week.

490
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: We like her. She seems like a catch. So you know,

491
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: if any men listen to this podcast, you know, maybe

492
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: maybe you could slide in her DMS, or maybe we'll

493
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: see her on paradise who knows, all right, or maybe

494
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: we'll ask our next guest, because right now it is

495
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: that time. We haven't even told y'all yet that we

496
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: have a guest or who it is. But the guest

497
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: that we have this week, we saw her get a

498
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: one on one, which is why we didn't cover it

499
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: in our recap. She may not have drifted into Matt's heart,

500
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: but she is here to chat about everything that went

501
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: dwal and we're excited to chat with her as well.

502
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: Please welcome Jacinia to the show. Well, welcome jes Senia.

503
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you here. And I don't

504
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: know if you've listened to our podcast before, but each

505
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: week reached Rachel and I always say this because we

506
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: don't get to see a ton of you women, like

507
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: really for who you are, and I would say within

508
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: the last episode that we saw, we're finally getting to

509
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: see you. But thankfulness we have you to sit down

510
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: with us to give us a little bit more behind

511
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: the scenes and the tea and just your experience overall.

512
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: So just to start, how have you been? I think good. Honestly,

513
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: this experience has definitely been a whirlwind. I don't think

514
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: any of us have experienced anything like this before. But

515
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: for the most part, I mean, I'm pretty happy. I

516
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: am glad that it's like done just because okay, I

517
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: can move on to the next chapter kind of thing.

518
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: But no, overall, it's been great. I feel like you're

519
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: one of the first people that we've had on our

520
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: podcasts that actually now has been sent home so we

521
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: know your full story from start to finish. So yeah,

522
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: like yeah, because I think that the past couple of

523
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: guess they've still they haven't been able to like fully

524
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: divulge everything that they went through because they were still

525
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: on the season. So you're the first one that you

526
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: know has experienced it now beginning to end in your

527
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: so called journey. So like watching that all back, how

528
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: has it been taking them all in? It's been a lot,

529
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: because it's one thing to experience in it. To experience it,

530
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: and then to watch it back you learn just how

531
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: much they leave out, and it's crazy to see it

532
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: kind of play out and then you see what had

533
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: more focus, Like I'm not gonna lie. I think you know,

534
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: the drama definitely took presidents this season rather than the

535
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: love stories or even the women's stories as well. A

536
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: lot of my conversations that I had with Matt were

537
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: really heartfelt and it would have been nice to have

538
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: seen it be played about. But for the most part,

539
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just taking it as it comes, and

540
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: every episode so far has it been like drama, drama, drama,

541
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: and I'm ready for the love stories. Yeah. You know.

542
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: It's interesting because we had Abigail on the podcast and

543
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: she was we were throwing out superlatives and we were

544
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: she was naming them. She was giving out the awards

545
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: of who was who okay, and you weren't. I can't

546
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: remember the exact name, but it was like basically the

547
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: one who's going to stand, speak up, speak their mind,

548
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: aka pop off. Why do you think that she gave

549
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: you that award? I don't know, perhaps because I did

550
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: speak up, and you know, I know that the two

551
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: on one is definitely, if anything, it's the most freen

552
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: time I've had, and it is like a one of

553
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: the bigger situations in the season that happened as well.

554
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that whole situation for me

555
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: was kind of an opportunity for me to go ahead

556
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: and step forward in terms of, you know, because Katie

557
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 1: of course was speaking out about it as well, and

558
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: for me, you know, I did seem like, Okay, I'm

559
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: going to have to go through with this because when

560
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: it was first brought up, brought up when Matt had

561
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: addressed the situation at the Rose ceremony, he specifically used

562
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: terms like og newby us versus them kind of mentality,

563
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: and so when he and I sat down to talk,

564
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: I was hoping we wouldn't talk about drama because if

565
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I remember, he had already walked Anna out, so I

566
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: was hoping we wouldn't have to talk about anything, but

567
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: he did ask me, how are things at the house

568
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: and I was honest. I mean, I said, I went

569
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: back to the terms that he brought up. I said, well, yeah,

570
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: words like og Newby is being used, just like varsity

571
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: versus JB is being used as well. But that's something

572
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: that MJ dubbed. It's, you know, so that I could

573
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: at least separate that. It's not that we were all

574
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: using those terms. It was like specific people. So yeah,

575
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: I feel like the two on one just never even

576
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: had to happen in the first place, honestly, because when

577
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Matt brought it up to MJ, that was the perfect

578
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to say, well, yeah, I did say a comment

579
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: that I meant as a joke, and I apologize to ladies,

580
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: and since then we'd moved forward. That could have been

581
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: the end of it, but instead it just turned into

582
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: this whole us versus them kind of thing. And yeah,

583
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: it was a lot, a lot. I want to ask

584
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: you about that moment because that two on one was

585
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: that was really the first time you know, we saw you,

586
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: like saw you speak up against it. And I've said

587
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: this to Rachel many times. That two on one was

588
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: so random to me, you know, like, had you asked

589
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: me a week or two earlier. There's no way in

590
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: hell I would have said, oh, Jasenia and MJ are

591
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: going to be on this two on one, you know,

592
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: like it was just it came out of left field,

593
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: it felt like. And so getting that day card prior

594
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: because it was right before the ros ceremony. So when

595
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: you heard your name on that, like, did you have

596
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: any idea that you were going to be chosen for

597
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: that or was it like buckle up, here we go.

598
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: So initially I thought, okay, well, actually what I did

599
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: say in fact was this could have been avoided. I

600
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: said it out loud, I said this could have been avoided.

601
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: But then of course we had to go get ready

602
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: for the ros ceremony, and that's where we really kind

603
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: of had our back and forth. But I remember just thinking,

604
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna stand my ground. I know

605
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: what I said is fact. We've all seen it, and

606
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one who has seen and heard

607
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: it either, So I don't have anything to worry about.

608
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to make sure that, you know,

609
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: when I spoke with Matt, it would just be clear

610
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: and open. And it's not to say either that that

611
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: was the only issue with MJ. Either like, it was

612
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: the fact that she just wouldn't take accountability for her actions.

613
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: And the problem too, is that many of us played

614
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: a role in some way big or small, and we

615
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: at least own up to that fact and we did apologize,

616
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: we make amends, whatever, and she just would refuse to

617
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: take accountability. And I think that was the bigger issue

618
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: for me. I was not pressed over just a JD

619
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: Varsity comment. It was really the fact that I learned

620
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: later when Matt told me that she didn't know what

621
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: was going on at the house, I was like, huh, okay,

622
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: so she's pulling a veil over his face, unfortunately, and

623
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: trying to remove herself from a situation that she was

624
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: clearly part of. So yeah, it's it's crazy because you

625
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: can tell that there are great women in the house.

626
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: It's like there's an equal amount of like great women

627
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: versus the dramatic ones. And you know, we've seen Matt

628
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: come in and clean house. But as Becca and I've

629
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: prepped for the podcast, we're like, we really don't know

630
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: what to ask our guest unless it's really it's a drama,

631
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: which is such a shame because that's all we've seen.

632
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: So please you know, tell us a little bit about

633
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: like who just Sinya is, how she got to the show,

634
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: and then what maybe people didn't get to see about

635
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: you on the show. Yeah, so one detail everyone knows,

636
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a social media marketing manager, so I

637
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: work in digital marketing and I basically just help businesses

638
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: kind of promote their message, whether it's for an organization

639
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: or a product line. I just kind of helped them

640
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: master or something that works for them in terms of

641
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: projecting whatever message or product that might be. And I

642
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: live in Texas. I love it here. I'm considering relocating,

643
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: but we'll see about that. Wait, where in Texas are

644
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: you at? San Antonio? Okay? I'm from Dallas. Okay, so

645
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I have Texas girls, you know, yea, But yeah, I mean,

646
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, there were a lot of conversations that I

647
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: had had with Matt that were really heartfelt. I know.

648
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: The first one was just me emphasizing how important it

649
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: is for me to find a partner that shares the

650
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: same values as I do. And one thing that I

651
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: mentioned to him was, you know, I'm looking for someone

652
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: who can be my rock. And I remember, in the

653
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: situation that I was in feeling like, Okay, Well, I

654
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: want a partner that I have open communication with who

655
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: can trust me, which is why it was important to me.

656
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: And it did mean a lot to me that Matt

657
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: gave me that validation that he did in fact believe me.

658
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: But aside from that, I mean there's a lot that

659
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I talked about. I mean, Matt was really great about

660
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: opening up to me about his family as well. I

661
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: opened up to him about my struggles with depression. Even so,

662
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: it's like there were a lot of conversations that didn't air. See,

663
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: this is why we love having you because these are

664
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: the things that I think, well, me and most of

665
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: our our listeners would want to hear, like the real deep,

666
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: foundational conversations that make up any sort of relationship. Yeah,

667
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: and foundational is a great word because for me, my

668
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: example is my parents. I grew up as a military

669
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: child with dual military parents, so they were both in

670
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: the army and that was a tough upbringing. But I

671
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: learned to appreciate it later on, because I did have

672
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: a moment where I like, I just resented moving so much,

673
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: but I learned to appreciate it. And it was even

674
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: a period in my life where it was just my

675
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: brother and I. My dad was deployed for fifteen months.

676
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: My mom was a drill sergeant, so we barely saw her,

677
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: and it would just be me in high school having

678
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: to drive my brother to his school come to my school,

679
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: and it was like a balancing act and I had

680
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: to grow up really fast. What made you originally want

681
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: to come on the show or how did you get

682
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: involved with it in the first place. So I remember

683
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: I had applied some time in January and I was

684
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: literally in pajamas with coffee, just like whatever, I'll do

685
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: it because it was a show that my mom and

686
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: I would watch. Especially at that time. Things were kind

687
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: of kind of going down a bit, so it was

688
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: getting around that time where you should stay home and

689
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: all that. So we got hooked onto Peter season. But

690
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: that's the only season that I've seen. That's it. Wow, whoa,

691
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: that's it. That's that's what you have to go by. Yeah,

692
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: I know, and that which is why I would like

693
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: refer to clips on YouTube or something of other seasons.

694
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, here's the only full season that I've seen.

695
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't always that way. So you're so you're a

696
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: measure of a bachelor Now that'll get me wrong. I

697
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: like Peter, but we're talking about how he was as

698
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: a bachelor, your measure, your standard of bachelors, it's not

699
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: even a plural. Was just Peter Peter. So I mean, well,

700
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, then, how do you think

701
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: Matt did as a bachelor? You know you A lot

702
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: was thrown at him, A lot was thrown at y'all.

703
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: And I don't think we talked about that enough. Yes,

704
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: it's unfair that Matt. These women keep popping up on Matt,

705
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: but it's also unfair to you guys, because that's not

706
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: normally the format of the show. Now, how do you

707
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: think handled it? And did he make you feel seen

708
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: and heard? Despite all the additions and the twists and

709
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: twists and turns that popped up on this season. Going

710
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: into it, considering I was new to it and I

711
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: knew that he was new to it, I didn't want

712
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: to hold him to too high of a standard. I

713
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: did want to give him the grace to, you know,

714
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: make his mistakes and try to get by as best

715
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: as he could. But he totally exceeded my expectations. I

716
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: think he did wonderful and he is really receptive He

717
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: definitely is a communication kind of person because once things

718
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: were brought to his attention, I mean he targeted every

719
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: situation and he really, you know, handle it, and he did.

720
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: He doesn't make you feel seen. It was something that

721
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the girls and I related on because

722
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: although we had this dynamic where we wouldn't share what

723
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: we talked to him at about like intimate details, just

724
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: so that you know, we could have that still maintain

725
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: that friendship without it getting too weird because obviously we're

726
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: dating the same guy. We would express how Matt was

727
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: so great at communication and he would always make you

728
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: feel really good after you had a conversation with him.

729
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: And one night I even expressed, you know, there's that

730
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: term where people talk about, oh, like this person lights

731
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: up a room. I personally haven't met someone that I

732
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: could apply that too, and I felt that way about Matt.

733
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: I thought every time he'd come in the room, it

734
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: was like a breath of fresh air and we weren't

735
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: jittery or nervous. So he was really good about making

736
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: sure that we were all somewhat level headed. Interesting, Okay,

737
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: so prior to you halfing down, we had this conversation

738
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: where at this point, obviously we're right before hometowns. It's

739
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: hard as a viewer to tell who he's super into,

740
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: Like there's we don't see and you know, and we

741
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: can chock it up to maybe the drama that took

742
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: hold of everything, so we don't see a lot of

743
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: the conversations between him and any of the women, and

744
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: so it's hard for us to really nailed down who

745
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: he's into, you know, Like I think going into this episode,

746
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: there was like eight or nine or maybe ten women left,

747
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's free for all. We don't know,

748
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: like he could be with these four golden tickets and yeah, yeah,

749
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: it could be at random and so but it's interesting

750
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: because there was three eliminations prior to the Row ceremonies,

751
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: so it makes it seem like he knows who's who

752
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: he's into, who he's keeping around. So did you up

753
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: and tell that point, like know who he had the

754
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: strongest connections with, Like could you see it in the house?

755
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: Was it very apparent or was it more like he's

756
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: into all of us and no one was really sure.

757
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: I think in the beginning you could because I don't

758
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's like when people vibe differently

759
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: with each other. I think it was easier to tell

760
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: at the beginning, but as you go further and further,

761
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, I'm not here for no reason, you know.

762
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: So he obviously sees something in each of us, which

763
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: is why I think it was so important or me personally,

764
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: like I wanted to have that one online to know

765
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: for a fact, like is this it or not? So

766
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: I think it actually got harder to tell towards the

767
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: end because even then we were all struggling and we

768
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: all talked about it too, where like we don't know

769
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: where Matt's head is at, so it was really hard

770
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: to tell. Yeah, so when you got the one on one,

771
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: obviously you were super excited about that because they always

772
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: are exciting to get. But what how did you feel

773
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: on it? I mean I was, and Becco too, because

774
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about this, a little taken

775
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: aback that you said that you were falling in love

776
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: with him, because we hand we didn't see it. Yeah, like,

777
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: did you feel it or and I'll just be blue,

778
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: did you really feel that? Were you caught up in

779
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: the moment or was it like a last ditch effort

780
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: Because it's hometowns, and it's like, I gotta let him

781
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: know that I'm feeling him this way. So for me,

782
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: it was more about leaving it all out on the table.

783
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: I did not want to walk away from there regretting

784
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: not telling him something, especially that Yeah, I'm fortunately you

785
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: guys didn't get to see a lot of our communication

786
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: because that's how you see, how does that come about?

787
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, like what made her fault for him? It

788
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: was how he talked to me. It was how he

789
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: validated me, how he treated me, and all the things

790
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: that we would connect on. That's what it's initially made me,

791
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, fault for him. And it wasn't so much

792
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: that I was like, yeah, I'm in love, this is endgame.

793
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: But I was falling for him for sure, but definitely

794
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I felt it in my gut

795
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: that we ally wasn't going. Yeah. I know. Always women,

796
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: we are witches and we feel it and you have

797
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: to pay attention to that feeling inside. Yep. Let me

798
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: ask you this, Justcinia, how do you feel about the

799
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: screen time that women of color got on the show?

800
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: For asking? Thank you for asking, because that's something that

801
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: I've come after every episode that would go by, I'm like, jeez,

802
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm barely seeing so and so or so and so,

803
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: and I remember, you know, Chelsea. I'm glad Chelsea was

804
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: able to have her story, but I know that Maggie

805
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: had an incredible story to share as well. No one

806
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: was able to see that, you know, and it is

807
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: really upsetting that Also. A lot of me included were

808
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: we seem to only have screen time because we're tied

809
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: to some kind of drama, and it's incredibly frustrating. So

810
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm happy you brought that up because I definitely want

811
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: to make my sentiments known. You can't tote around the

812
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: fact that you have the most diverse cast but then

813
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: not show the spotline too. It's like one thing if

814
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: you're giving. I get Victoria was the drama, but now

815
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: we're in the later seasons and I have yet to

816
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: see Michelle really talk in an im. I'm constantly watching Rachel.

817
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's I'm just very curious you being a

818
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: part of it. You were in it. You know how

819
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: much you were talking and interviews or you know how

820
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: much time you spent with Matt. It's just it's disappointing.

821
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: It's disappointing, and it's honestly frustrating. And I cannot tell

822
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: you how many hours of interview I have, how many

823
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: hours I spent talking to Matt, and I didn't get

824
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: to see any of that. And it's really not fair

825
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: because each one of these women, we put our lives

826
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: on hold. Some of us even quit our jobs. We

827
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: sacrificed a lot to go there because we had this

828
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: faith in this system that Bachelor has created for us

829
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: to meet this incredible guy. But we can't even see

830
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: our stories unfold on a screen. Come on, it doesn't

831
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: make sense. Let me ask both of you this, because

832
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what I would say, But do

833
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: you feel like ABC, or well the franchise as a

834
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: whole for the show, like they just checked the boxes?

835
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: You know, Like it wasn't really until this year when

836
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: the petition started to have a more diverse pass and

837
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: I think for the crew to overall to create this show,

838
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: do you feel like they just at that point we're like,

839
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: let's check the box, you know. Yeah, it was almost

840
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: like they're trying to. It's like, okay, well if we

841
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: give them that, like we can always say, oh, but

842
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: we did have a diverse task. We did have a

843
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: black Bachelor, But it's like, but when you watch the season,

844
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: you're not seeing that, You're not seeing it reflect And

845
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: one thing that I loved about Tatious season was that

846
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: there were serious conversations being had and they were impactful.

847
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: All we're getting right now is drama, drama, drama, I

848
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: mean over really vapid subjects. Honestly, let's be realistic. Absolutely,

849
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Like, there are so many amazing women,

850
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: and that's what frustrates me is I was able to

851
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: know these women in ways that the audience never will,

852
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: and to know their stories and to see that they

853
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't even get the opportunity to share that is beyond frustrating.

854
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: I guess to piggyback on some of the things that

855
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: you were saying, just sendy it because you were in

856
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: there in the moment. It's I signed it very interesting

857
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: that at this point we know the four women that

858
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: are going to hometowns, and three out of the four

859
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: are of color. And honestly, I'm like, how are these

860
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: the women that are here? Because we haven't seen them,

861
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: we haven't seen their relationships develop, and they're only one

862
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: of them we've seen who seems we've seen more of

863
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: her than we have the three of them combined. Personally,

864
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: Michelle is the person who started out as a front

865
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: runner who I was like, Wow, they have a big connection,

866
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: senior sense, haven't seen her sex? Where's Michelle unless she's

867
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: on a group on the couch with the women? Are

868
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: you shocked because you're there? Did you see these with

869
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: the four that are left, particularly the three of color,

870
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: did you see Matt's relationships with them progress? Because maybe

871
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: there's something we're missing here. Well, that's the thing too,

872
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: is I'm I wish that they would have shown a

873
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: more cohesive story with these women who are you know,

874
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: now considered the talk or three of them being women

875
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: of color, because then it would have made sense and

876
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: the audience would have said, of course, there, of course

877
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: she's there. You know. So for me, you know, Bree

878
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: was my roommate. You know, I ride for gree and

879
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, she and I would definitely have our intimate

880
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: conversations and you know, we would share about how we

881
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: were feeling about the process, and so I could see

882
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: her feelings grow for him. Of course, you know, Michelle

883
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: I ended up after the initial shock of her arrival,

884
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: I did you know. I was able to sit down

885
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: and have a conversation with her by the fireplace, and

886
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: it was so nice to just get to know her.

887
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: These are two women that I have a lot of

888
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: love for and I wish that, you know, we could

889
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: have seen more of them. Yes, and this is why

890
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: I know my request as a viewer is not going

891
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: to mean anything but in the future. And this is

892
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: something I vocalize to you Rachel on the podcast, is

893
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, the drama, I want it for a little bit,

894
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: but like the show is about love. The show is

895
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: about finding connections and finding a potential lifelong partner. Like

896
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: we need to start seeing more of the wise and

897
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: how that's being created on the show. So yeah, as

898
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: you said, I don't know, I don't remember the exact

899
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: word you use, but when you said, it's just like

900
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: this vapid drama that doesn't matter, Yeah, yeah, it's it is.

901
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: And that's the thing too. Is like another point that

902
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: I do want to emphasize on is yes, their death,

903
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: the drama was there, you know, the toxicity was there,

904
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: but there was a good equal amount of respect for

905
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: each other of you know what we messed up. Let's

906
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: move forward, which really trying to cultivate a much healthier environment.

907
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: We had our moments where we were literally in stitches

908
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: because we were laughing so much. We were having a

909
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: great time. I wish more of that was shown, But

910
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, who am I. I'm just there and it

911
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: happens to all of us, Like we all like you.

912
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: We get you filmed for a week and I mean

913
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: weeks at a time, but one week goes into two hours,

914
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: so it's impossible for everything. Yes, you know, it's very

915
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: You're not alone. We all feel that way. We wish

916
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: that there were more things that were shell. That's what

917
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: women tell all is for. I know, how how is

918
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: your relationship right now with most of the women like

919
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: close now that it's done and the dramas in the past, Yeah,

920
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: I know now that it's done. I mean I can

921
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: say the women I'm closest. She was three. Of course,

922
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: she's my roommate, so she's like my day one. Essentially

923
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: we'll have our little check ins here and there, but

924
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: next to be Katie, even though our relationship didn't really

925
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: develop until just before she left, like I don't know,

926
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: maybe a week or so. And then of course Michelle

927
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: and Serena pe as well. I'm glad to hear about

928
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: Katie because I said last week, it doesn't look like

929
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: Katie has any friends in the house. People seem to

930
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: be giggly when she went home. It's like, what happened here?

931
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: Because okay, okay, I have to say this because there

932
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: are some things that are shown and they're kind of

933
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: exaggerated a bit, because like for me personally, there was

934
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: and I got bashed for it because it looked hypocritical

935
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: on my part. There's a part or it was during

936
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: a group date where you know, at the after parties,

937
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: we have multiple conversations and it's not just about one thing.

938
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: And just know that not everything that is seen has

939
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: happened cohesively. A lot of it is kind of like

940
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: thrown together or condensed, I guess, so that you can

941
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: get an idea of what happened that night. But yeah,

942
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: people are dogging me for my I love Us comment,

943
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't mean that in a

944
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: mean way. I was legitimately laughing about things that we

945
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: were talking about, not necessarily the conversation that was shown. Sure,

946
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: and so you know, to go on about Katie like

947
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't laugh that she was leaving. It

948
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: was just like that shock of like, oh my god,

949
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: this is getting real, you know. And on top of that,

950
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: she was very confident about her connection and met with Matt,

951
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: so a lot of us were kind of thinking, oh,

952
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: maybe she will come back home. So to see that

953
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: she didn't was a shock. Okay, that's good to know

954
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: that she was confident in her connection because we didn't

955
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: see that. I for she was always the homie. Katie

956
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: was always the homie with Matt. I never saw any

957
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: romantic spark. But I'm glad that she felt that because again,

958
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: we don't see everything. So she felt she felt connected

959
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: because even when she left, she was probably just like

960
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: stone cold because she was in shock and like Becca

961
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: and I know how that goes. But I'm happy to

962
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: hear that she felt they had a connection. Yeah, no,

963
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: deletedly like we didn't see it. The thing is, you know,

964
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: there are so many connections, whether as as strong as

965
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: they were or as weak as they were. You didn't

966
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: get to see a lot of our conversations with Matt.

967
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, he and I had a lot of laughs,

968
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: and we really deep and two family values and things

969
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: that we've struggled with even and he even opened up

970
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: to me about something that I didn't expect him to share.

971
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, well, it's good to know

972
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: that we have that comfort within each other where he

973
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: could share that with me, just like I was able

974
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 1: to share things with him. So yeah, I definitely would

975
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: have loved for their team more emphasis on those conversations

976
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: than all of us had with him. Okay, so last

977
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: night we obviously see you go home. Now you are

978
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: in the real world. The world knows that you are

979
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: what I'm assuming single writing to Mingle. So two part

980
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: question number one, and I can't believe you're the first

981
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: person I've ever asked this because I remember having this

982
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: conversation with a lot of the women on my season

983
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: of The Bachelor. Is we got off the show and

984
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, once the show is airing, and but we

985
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: all knew what happened. I was like, you guys date, Like,

986
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: how is dating going to be for you? Like, do

987
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: you think it's going to be easier in the real world?

988
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Is it going to be a harder? Yeah? So for

989
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: you personally, how do you think that's going to go?

990
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: Part one of them. But then part two, I mean,

991
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: you know this there's this thing looming in a beautiful

992
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: sunset somewhere one day that just happens to be called paradise.

993
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: Do you potentially see yourself frolicking on the beach, meeting

994
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: on the beach many men listen. The dating apps didn't

995
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: work for me before. I don't think they'll work for

996
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: me now because it's like you're we're what considered like

997
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: public figures. Now, I don't know how comfortable I am

998
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: about putting myself out there. And besides this experience, I've

999
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: always loved meeting people organically, so I'm pretty sure I

1000
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: won't be on any dating apps. But Paradise, I don't know.

1001
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: It's up in the air right now. To be honest

1002
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: with you, I think it will really depend on where

1003
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: I am in my life at that point. If I

1004
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: get the call, I'll really think about it. But I

1005
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: don't know. It's definitely not a yes, definitely right now,

1006
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: think about it. We'd like to see more of you,

1007
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: and I will tell you this, this is one of

1008
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: the positive things. Okay, maybe we sometimes we talk about

1009
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: the not so great things, but one of the best

1010
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: things I feel from going through this experience is because

1011
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: it's the og quarantine. Right when you're you're stripped from everything.

1012
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: You're in this bubble and all you can deal with

1013
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: is yourself and your feelings and what you want in life.

1014
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: And when you when that bubble burst, you're so vulnerable

1015
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: because you've been having these conversations over and over again,

1016
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: laying in your bed at night. Flying Oh oh gosh,

1017
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like I was rude. I

1018
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: was gonna say, flying on these planes to places. Sorry,

1019
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: I was sorry. Um. But when the bubble bursts and

1020
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: you're back in the real world, you are so in

1021
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: touch with how you feel that it does make dating

1022
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: easier because you're so open and then you know what

1023
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: you want. So it's like, no, you waste my time.

1024
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: Oh I'm very open, and I just I love love

1025
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: and I just I want this for myself because I

1026
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: can note it's romanticized. I don't know, there's something special

1027
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: about that. Just Sony, this has been so fun having

1028
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: you on. I have one final question. But before I

1029
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: have this actual, real final question, I just want to

1030
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: know going back to and I don't want to keep

1031
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: talking about the drama. But in the moment when you

1032
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: and MJ were sitting on the couch before Matt came in,

1033
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: and you called her Meredith, but we know it's her

1034
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: real name, but I don't think any oh it is.

1035
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: You didn't catch that? What made you say that? Were

1036
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: you just feeling like we're just gonna go all? You know?

1037
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: It was the complete lack of self awareness for me.

1038
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: And it was like trying my hardest to keep it

1039
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: together because unfortunately, I know that if I had bursted

1040
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: and reacted the way she did, people wouldn't necessarily react

1041
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: the way they would towards her her as they would meet,

1042
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, So I had to

1043
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: keep it together and I just knew that that would

1044
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: probably get under her skin, I'm sure a little. And

1045
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: just because at that point it was it was just

1046
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: purely frustration. I was like, Okay, I'm over this, you know. Yeah,

1047
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: Well when I heard that, I was like, oh, I

1048
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: should have popped some popcorn. And that's the thing is

1049
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: a lot of us will say things out of frustration

1050
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: in the moment, and it's tough because week after week

1051
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: it's been one wrench after the other. So a lot

1052
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: of us, you know, we have our moments where, you know,

1053
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: in a big way or small way, you know, how

1054
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: we express ourselves might offend someone, but it's never directly

1055
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: towards them per se. It's more like the situation and

1056
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: they're just the physical embodiment of what's happening right now.

1057
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: So it's natural just kind of like get frustrated and

1058
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: blow it on them, on them, But yeah, it's definitely

1059
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: something to keep in mind. Well, it's a great take

1060
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: with then to go into our last question the beginning

1061
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: the small we always ask all of our guests this overall,

1062
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: because we've now seen your entire journey on The Bachelor playout,

1063
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: what was your rose and what was your thorn of

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: the season. I'll start with my thorn so we can

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00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: leave it on a good note. My thorn would have

1066
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: to be again playing on, you know, wishing that there

1067
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: was more more stories that were shared. I think that

1068
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: this is an incredible cast of women and I would

1069
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: have loved to have seen more of those stories unfold.

1070
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: And the other part of that thorne would have to

1071
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: be I guess just kind of you know, I always

1072
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: knew that Bachelor Nation was huge. I always knew that,

1073
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: but it is ironic to see people who you know

1074
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: supposedly support support the show and they bash you for

1075
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: one thing or the other, but they do it in

1076
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: a way where they're degrading you and calling you names,

1077
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you're turning around and doing the

1078
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: same thing that you're judging these women for. So for me,

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00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: my message would be think about it before you comment that,

1080
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: because the Internet is forever and screenshots are a thing,

1081
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: and my rose would have to be meeting all these

1082
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: really incredible women. I feel like I always knew that

1083
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: if I didn't get the guy, I'd walk away with

1084
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: some really special friendships, and I feel competent in that.

1085
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: And another part of that would have to be I

1086
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: was capable of being really vulnerable with mat and opening

1087
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: up with him about things that were important to me,

1088
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: And it almost felt like like a practice round. Even

1089
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: like now I feel more ready to meet someone than

1090
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: I did before, so I feel good about it. It's

1091
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: a stepping stoney, all right, Just Sonia, it's been an

1092
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: absolute pleasure having you on. Thank you so much. We

1093
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: can't wait to see everything go down to you again

1094
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: on our screens during the women tell all so and

1095
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: tell the thank you thank you so much for having me. Guys,

1096
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: have a great night. Jenia was great. I really enjoyed her.

1097
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: And as you said earlier, it's it's great when they

1098
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: come on here and we can have longer conversations and

1099
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: really get to understand these women, why they are, why

1100
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: they're on the show, and why they made it as

1101
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: far as they did. Yeah, it's just it's so much

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00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: more personal. Like I feel like we saw more of

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: Jenia for this what thirty forty minutes that we had

1104
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: on than we did and so it's just I feel

1105
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: very like this might sound cheesy, but blessed in a

1106
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: way to be able to have these I mean, for

1107
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: the most amazing women on for the world to see,

1108
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, Hopefully, like I said, we'll see more of

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00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: them in Paradise and more of their stories unfold and

1110
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: more connections for me in between the women and whatever

1111
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: men we see. But yeah, yeah, it was it was

1112
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: really good to have her. She said something there I

1113
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: think when she was talking about like the thorn overall,

1114
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: U just insightful. I think I would say, yeah. And

1115
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: what I do appreciate to is, you know, we've we've

1116
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: been critical and saying we don't you know, see these

1117
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: relationships develop. But what's satisfying is they were there, they

1118
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: did have these relationships. She felt that they were developing,

1119
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: and we've heard that reiterated on the show before, so

1120
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad that, you know, she said that it's made

1121
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: her ready for the next person, which really is a

1122
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that you can come out with out of

1123
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: this entire franchise. You guys, once again, thanks so much

1124
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: for hanging out with us. It's been a great episode.

1125
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: We're excited for next week. Next week it's Dune, Dune,

1126
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: Duh Hometowns. I have no idea what to expect. It's

1127
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: going to be quite interesting for a lot of reasons.

1128
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: One thing I'm hoping for is that we don't see

1129
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: the same things that were done during Tatia's season in

1130
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: this hometown. I don't want to see remember those basketball

1131
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: hoops that they had the little kid carnival. It was

1132
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: it was a great it was fun. It was fun

1133
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: in spirit, but it was like, I don't want to

1134
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,959
Speaker 1: see that. I don't want to see anybody doing dance

1135
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: moves like Brendan. I don't want to see cardboard taxis.

1136
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to see what else did we see

1137
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: that as eating Bengals. Yeah, it was cute in theory,

1138
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: but guess what I'm seeing. I'm already seeing that with

1139
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: the Micole and they have stepped things up. You know,

1140
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: we're seeing them leave the property or maybe the property

1141
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: is so big they're on the property this entire time.

1142
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: It looks like we're finally getting the love stories that

1143
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: we want to see. So we'll just have to wait

1144
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: and see how it all plays out. But if you

1145
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: guys have any questions, any comments, any guest ideas, you

1146
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: know where to find us at Bachelor Happy Hour on

1147
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: Instagram and at Batch Happy Hour on Facebook and Twitter.

1148
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: And as always, you guys, if you never want to

1149
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: miss listening to us or an episode, please subscribe to

1150
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: our podcast. You can do that on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

1151
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: the Wondering App, or wherever you're listening to us right now.

1152
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, take care,