Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah. They call
Speaker 3: me Ben.
Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission
Speaker 1: control decads. Most importantly, you are here, and that makes
Speaker 1: this the stuff they don't want you to know. Strange
Speaker 1: news for strange days, strange days. Indeed, we're going to
Speaker 1: explore some irony in the world of NFTs. We're going
Speaker 1: to explore us some regulation, the consequences thereof, and the
Speaker 1: necessity thereof. And before we get into any of that, uh,
Speaker 1: we found now that there's always a list of heist
Speaker 1: every time we do this strange news segment. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we want to save those for the end
Speaker 1: or if we want to just run through them. Now,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, you know I love a good ridiculous heist.
Speaker 3: I'd say dealer's choice.
Speaker 2: Frankly, I think at the end would be great. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: you know one thing we haven't done. Have we spoken
Speaker 2: a loud about how much fun we had at the
Speaker 2: This Is Important Live show.
Speaker 3: Oh, we have that publicly, we should make a statement.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's put it out and let's get you know,
Speaker 1: I actually am applying to be a notary later, so
Speaker 1: we can we can stamp stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like.
Speaker 1: What is a little bit easier than the other. Actually
Speaker 1: we could do you.
Speaker 3: Get your own personalized like stamp one of those big, thick,
Speaker 3: chunky boys. I think you too, awesome.
Speaker 1: We could the three of us could make a day
Speaker 1: of it. If you guys want to go become notaries.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very unnecessary power. But you know
Speaker 1: who doesn't love stamps.
Speaker 3: It's a cool micro superpower. I would argue. There you go.
Speaker 1: Well, despite none of us currently being notaries, Matt, you
Speaker 1: raise an excellent point, we did, indeed get to meet
Speaker 1: some of our I think it's fair to call the
Speaker 1: guy's comedy heroes.
Speaker 3: Would we agree with that?
Speaker 2: Well, definitely guys that we look up to because they're
Speaker 2: about our same age. They've been incredibly successful and created
Speaker 2: some of the most iconic characters that were on TV
Speaker 2: for years. So yeah, I mean the workaholics guys. You
Speaker 2: now have a show called This Is important. If you
Speaker 2: don't know about it, you should be listening to it.
Speaker 2: If you're okay with let's call it blue humor.
Speaker 3: Maybe.
Speaker 2: But it was just a tremendously fun show and those
Speaker 2: guys as individuals were extremely kind and not what you
Speaker 2: expect when you get warned all the time about meeting
Speaker 2: somebody you look up.
Speaker 3: To and that won't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not the case with those guys.
Speaker 3: It so cool too, Like I had. The venue they
Speaker 3: performed at was this really posh, cool theater where they
Speaker 3: often do like ballets and like you know, like classical
Speaker 3: music performances, the cob Energy Center, And I've only been
Speaker 3: there one time prior to see the Icelandic art rock
Speaker 3: band seeger ROAs. It was just it just felt like
Speaker 3: such an interesting swath of creativity from siegar ROAs to
Speaker 3: Workaholics guys you know talking about tie Buttholes. It was.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic and Workaholics was a fantastic show. Before that,
Speaker 1: they did something called mail Order Comedy on YouTube where
Speaker 1: you can see you can see some of the early
Speaker 1: pure sketch work that they did. We're talking about our
Speaker 1: our pals, Adam Kyle Blake and Onders. These guys were,
Speaker 1: as you said, Matt, absolutely electric in their live show.
Speaker 1: We got to meet them briefly after the show, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just it was just a fantastic time, you
Speaker 1: know what. Shout out as well to our pal super
Speaker 1: producer an A. Josnier, who was the entire reason we
Speaker 1: got to hang out.
Speaker 3: The proverbial hookup, no question about it. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: got fat. As the Beatles would say, a fantastic time
Speaker 3: was guaranteed for all. I think that's how they said it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a splendid time perhaps. Speaking of which, guys, leading with
Speaker 3: a little fun news story that does really quickly. Have
Speaker 3: you guys seen this terrible new AI driven Beatles video
Speaker 3: for this like.
Speaker 1: Song, Don't love it.
Speaker 3: It's so bad. It's like, this is what AI should
Speaker 3: never be used for. They used AI on the audio
Speaker 3: of John Lennon's vocal that he recorded on a cassette
Speaker 3: just to make it sound nicer, and then they, you know,
Speaker 3: the Living Beatles overdubbed their parts and stuff. But the
Speaker 3: video is just the most quintessentially bad. Like green screen.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, modern day Paul McCartney, modern day
Speaker 3: Ringo star superimposed with like Sergeant Pepper era George Harrison,
Speaker 3: like he's right there, but it looks so flat and weird,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's really bad. Shame on you, Peter Jackson,
Speaker 3: Shame on you. I know, I know he can't win
Speaker 3: them all.
Speaker 1: But also I think it's a fantastic, fantastic arrow in
Speaker 1: the quiver of sag Aftra's argument about the AI characterization.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that was intentional on mister Jackson this
Speaker 3: or our dear friend of the show, Jordan runtalg has
Speaker 3: a theory then, because you know, obviously the Get Back
Speaker 3: documentary was such a smash and really brought the Beatles
Speaker 3: back into the top of people's minds, you know, in
Speaker 3: the modern era, a lot of people discovering them for
Speaker 3: the first time. And his theory is that Peter Jackson
Speaker 3: is so integral to like the next phase of Beatles,
Speaker 3: like you know, marketing and selling and figuring out how
Speaker 3: to like restore old stuff with his like proprietary AI technology,
Speaker 3: that they just let him run with whatever piece of
Speaker 3: he turned in because they didn't want to cross him.
Speaker 1: I love it, conspira.
Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting it's very on brand with
Speaker 3: the show. So sorry. I didn't mean to to derail.
Speaker 3: I think that's just a neat story that was bugging me,
Speaker 3: and I think probably bugging It's basically become an instant
Speaker 3: meme because it's so laughably absurd looking.
Speaker 1: We do live in the era of uh. We do
Speaker 1: live in the era of miracles and wonders and instant memes,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's difficult not to weep. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Paul Simon, Yes here as an AI avatar sometime in
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 3: Please God. That song is so good? Is that it's
Speaker 3: You're a boy with the Boy in the Bubble, Boy
Speaker 3: in the Some of my most heart wrenching songs are
Speaker 3: by Simon and Garfunkle and Paul Simon, like the song
Speaker 3: The Only Living Boy in New York. Every time that
Speaker 3: song comes on, I weep openly. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 3: I weep openly.
Speaker 1: Losing love is like a window in your heart. You
Speaker 1: know everyone can see the wind blow this. This may
Speaker 1: be this feeling of great loss, may be something people
Speaker 1: are encountering. If you are, like many of us out there,
Speaker 1: a fan of chicken nuggets, a super convenient food admittedly
Speaker 1: not super great for you, and it turns out that
Speaker 1: chicken nuggets are in a bit of a crossroads at
Speaker 1: the moment. Quite recently, the gargantuan food producer Tyson Foods,
Speaker 1: which specializes in poultry, announced that it is quote voluntarily
Speaker 1: unquote recalling around thirty thousand pounds of chicken nuggets. That
Speaker 1: would be thirteen six hundred and eight kilograms for everybody
Speaker 1: outside of the United States. And they're doing this massive
Speaker 1: recall because pieces of pliable metal were found in these products.
Speaker 1: These are specifically, get this, the fun nuggets, which is
Speaker 1: the official word for official term for the dino shaped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the vaguely triceratopsy and stegosaurus and nuggets.
Speaker 2: Aka the one Matt fed his son for you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love them. You know what, you nailed it.
Speaker 3: They did it right with the brand, and they're fun.
Speaker 3: You can play a little games with them, be like,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Right, it's almost like an embedded lesson about uh empowerment.
Speaker 3: You know, now, I eat the t rex.
Speaker 1: So the the issue here is, of course, chicken nuggets
Speaker 1: occupy their own space and the pantheon of Internet memes
Speaker 1: and nomenclature, So this gets a lot of attention. But
Speaker 1: we wanted to give it some attention, specifically to explore
Speaker 1: some aspects of this story that apply to larger issues.
Speaker 1: So Tyson released a statement and you can read it
Speaker 1: free online at their website. They said they're voluntarily recalling
Speaker 1: approximately thirty pounds of quote frozen fully cooked chicken fun
Speaker 1: nuggets sold in twenty nine ounce packages. They take pains
Speaker 1: to say no other Tyson brand products are affected, and
Speaker 1: again this is the official source. They're saying. A limited
Speaker 1: number of consumers have reported they found small, pliable metal
Speaker 1: pieces in the product, and Tyson says, out of an
Speaker 1: abundance of caution, we are recalling this products as far
Speaker 1: as we can tell right now. According to the US
Speaker 1: Food Safety and Inspection Service or THYSIS, there was one
Speaker 1: report of a minor oral injury, so one person essentially
Speaker 1: cut the inside of their cheek or their tongue when
Speaker 1: eating these. I wanted to bring this up because this
Speaker 1: reminded me of an excellent conversation we had not too
Speaker 1: long ago about automobile manufacturer recalls.
Speaker 3: And the formula that they talk about in Fight Club,
Speaker 3: right like, if X plus Y plus blah blah blah
Speaker 3: divided by so and so equals the is less than
Speaker 3: the cost of a recall, then they don't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something else that just happened in the news
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to recall it right now DLS. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's decals that go on the front of steering wheels
Speaker 2: that it's apparently a popular thing that I was unaware of.
Speaker 3: Therese like emblem things or like the badge badge type deals.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe that's exactly what it is. But you
Speaker 2: put it literally on your steering wheel, like where the
Speaker 2: horn might be or in that area where the air
Speaker 2: bag deploys.
Speaker 3: Something additional. I mean, like my car has the car
Speaker 3: logo in the center of the steering wheel.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a third party, aftermarket thing that goes
Speaker 2: on top of like where the logo would be. And
Speaker 2: there was one case gosh it was tangentially related to
Speaker 2: another recall. But it becomes a projectile, like especially ones
Speaker 2: that have rhinestones on them, that that's a very popular thing,
Speaker 2: like you get some bird shot.
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, it's like a chuck on blast of the face.
Speaker 1: I didn't think rhinestones could be worse than they already are. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: because this is new to me, Matt, I was. I
Speaker 1: was immediately thinking maybe it's the aftermarket, you know, the
Speaker 1: grips that go around wheels that have all kinds of
Speaker 1: nasty chemicals in them, or.
Speaker 3: The fuzzy ones. Have you ever seen the fuzzy ones
Speaker 3: like troll doll hair.
Speaker 1: Well, be safe, folks, and maybe maybe take off the
Speaker 1: vanity stickers. You know. The scary thing about the world
Speaker 1: and humanity is there's probably someone who has a little
Speaker 1: vanity badge right there in the center of the steering wheel.
Speaker 1: But it's a mirror, so they watch themselves American psycho
Speaker 1: style while they drive.
Speaker 3: That seems extra dangerous and fame and maybe sort of like,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe you got it coming. No one, no
Speaker 3: one deserves that. But boy, that would explode because you know,
Speaker 3: if the if the airbag deployed, it would just be
Speaker 3: like a final destination scenario, you know, even with a
Speaker 3: little small mirror potentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, even like you were saying, with a with
Speaker 1: any kind of textured badging there, right, because you can
Speaker 1: look at a steering wheel and usually you can see
Speaker 1: the creases or perforations, yes, where there's in the way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Relief's a good way to put it so, recalls are important.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: They are a part of business for automobile manufacturers. They
Speaker 1: are also, it turns out, a part of business for
Speaker 1: large monopolistic food manufacturers. And this is not the first
Speaker 1: brush Tyson Foods has had with recalls or recalls. There's
Speaker 1: a great article we want to shout out from BBC
Speaker 1: News by annabel Leong, and in this the journalist points
Speaker 1: out that as recently as twenty nineteen, Tyson Foods had
Speaker 1: another recall of chicken nuggets. This time it was not small,
Speaker 1: pliable metal pieces, just random pieces of blue rubber.
Speaker 2: Again, it sounds like a case where in the giant
Speaker 2: manufacturing process to make these something fell in right and
Speaker 2: got ground up nice and good.
Speaker 1: With the rest of the chicken pieces and all the grasshoppers.
Speaker 3: That's there's no doubt in there. As well, after Tyson's
Speaker 3: recent acquisition of that insect protein company.
Speaker 2: The soldier flies.
Speaker 3: Sir, sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Respect their service.
Speaker 3: The soldier flies the internet, pay me no mind. This
Speaker 3: is not what's happening. This is definitely I'm serious.
Speaker 1: So we already know that there is an ongoing controversy
Speaker 1: with these formed chicken proteins, right. You find them in Tyson,
Speaker 1: you find them anywhere in the United States, often at
Speaker 1: fast food locations. Of course, McDonald's has to take the hit.
Speaker 1: McDonald's famously a real estate company that happens to sell snacks.
Speaker 1: They also get in trouble.
Speaker 3: What I would.
Speaker 1: Say every two year basis a bi annual basis for
Speaker 1: certain controversies about what they're actually putting in their nuggies,
Speaker 1: as the Internet calls them. Interesting to know. Also, you guys,
Speaker 1: the same year, twenty nineteen, Tyson recalled millions of pounds
Speaker 1: of chicken strips because of concerns, again a proactive voluntary recall,
Speaker 1: concerns that they might also be contaminated with metal and
Speaker 1: matt To your point, I believe you are correct. I
Speaker 1: believe that it's a problem of scale, right, and a
Speaker 1: problem of subcontracting out to things. There is a growing
Speaker 1: controversy which will probably be even more mainstreamed in coming
Speaker 1: months or years, regarding the use of child labor in
Speaker 1: some of these agricultural concerns. And I know, I think
Speaker 1: it was just last year Tyson shut down several chicken
Speaker 1: processing plants in the United States because during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Demand for chicken started to go down until at inflection point.
Speaker 1: I hate you that term, but it's true. It's apt
Speaker 1: here an inflection point occurred beef and pork in general
Speaker 1: became more and more expensive. We all remember that part, right,
Speaker 1: do you guys?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Did you get sticker shocked at some point?
Speaker 3: This it's definitely been a bell weather by which a
Speaker 3: lot of folks are measuring inflation and just in general,
Speaker 3: how much more expensive it is to like live is
Speaker 3: grocery bells.
Speaker 2: There's a oh gosh, I want to say, a three
Speaker 2: star restaurant in Belfest that is shutting down because it's
Speaker 2: too expensive to carry on creating food at the level
Speaker 2: that they want to create food. So they said, it's
Speaker 2: just impossible to get enough people who are able to
Speaker 2: pay for the food into their restaurant now, even in
Speaker 2: a major city like Belfast, they just can't do it.
Speaker 2: So they're gonna completely redo this three Michelin star restaurant
Speaker 2: into something that's affordable for people to eat.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, and that's something people who are in
Speaker 1: the restaurant industry, many of our fellow conspiracy realist can
Speaker 1: witness anywhere and their own neck of the global woods.
Speaker 1: You know, restaurants have always been a cutthroat business with
Speaker 1: razor thin margins, and if anything shifts in the wrong direction,
Speaker 1: then your business all of a sudden is non viable
Speaker 1: unless you become a nonprofit you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So what we're looking at here is a problem of
Speaker 1: monopolistic control over things. It's simply like, yes, it's all
Speaker 1: grand and Pollyannon fiddle dd to say to say, oh,
Speaker 1: I am at a point in life where I only
Speaker 1: get organic food, I only get farm to table stuff.
Speaker 1: I know the name of every animal I eat. But
Speaker 1: that's simply not realistic for the vast majority of people,
Speaker 1: which means that these businesses, these large interests, are going
Speaker 1: to continue. At this point, before we go to our
Speaker 1: ad break, we've got to say it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a it's a bit of a dilemma. Tyson does feed people.
Speaker 1: The livestock industry, especially the poultry industry, as it exists today,
Speaker 1: is a horror show by most measures, by almost any
Speaker 1: ethical measure. I would like to end by saying we
Speaker 1: are going to follow up on this. Good luck to
Speaker 1: the people at Tyson who are reporting to their shareholders.
Speaker 1: We're reporting their latest quarterly earnings on November thirteenth, and
Speaker 1: shout out to the latest Rick and Morty episode as
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Speaker 1: exactly about stuff like this, and it starts with a
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Speaker 3: And we're back, and you know what else is back?
Speaker 3: Fellas McRib I hope, So what's what's what's mcribs season?
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a cthulhu?
Speaker 3: Uh, I mean literally, what time of the year is it?
Speaker 1: The theory is it depends on global pork presses.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but okay, maybe I don't.
Speaker 1: Think that's actually true.
Speaker 3: And overall it's it's a fun thing to think about. Well,
Speaker 3: the pumpkin spice lette is back for sure, which just
Speaker 3: goes by PSL. Sometimes people will say PSL for pumpkin
Speaker 3: spice lettey and I know it's pronounced lata is being
Speaker 3: a fancy boy. But another acronym that hasn't bitted the
Speaker 3: news as much lately NFTs. Maybe remember those million dollar
Speaker 3: gifts or whatever there were gifts, There were JPEGs there
Speaker 3: were you know, ones that moved, there were little video loops. Uh,
Speaker 3: it was non fungible tokens.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was non fungi tepano.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The top of nod, Yeah, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 3: a it's a top of nod that does not contain mushrooms,
Speaker 3: which is no top of nod of mine, let me
Speaker 3: tell you or none that I'm interested in, I uh
Speaker 3: in any case, But yeah, NFT, I think the most popular,
Speaker 3: or at least the biggest, like celebrity ground swell. There
Speaker 3: was that whole beeple crap guy that remember he sold
Speaker 3: an n FT for like a billion dollars or something
Speaker 3: like that. I'd love to follow up on that guy.
Speaker 3: He seems to have cashed out and made a pretty penny.
Speaker 3: And obviously, even if you know, whatever tokens he was
Speaker 3: paid that in and have have lost their value a
Speaker 3: billion dollars, even if it has lost an insane amount
Speaker 3: of value, it's probably still some millions of dollars for
Speaker 3: old beeple crap. But n FT is the board Ape
Speaker 3: yacht club. Do you guys remember that celebrities were getting
Speaker 3: in on the fun. It's literally got somebody took his apes.
Speaker 3: Somebody just took his apes. There was all this stuff
Speaker 3: where people were doing these like wallet like fishing kind
Speaker 3: of scams, and you know, people would just totally get
Speaker 3: had and they're you know, there's people were stealing the
Speaker 3: credentials or literally. What these things are, of course, is
Speaker 3: a It's a image that's backed by a receipt that
Speaker 3: is tied to the blockchain. That is a contract that
Speaker 3: that you know, says that that thing belongs to you.
Speaker 3: It's about ownership. We always kind of, I think joked,
Speaker 3: or maybe it's not really a joke. It's true. A
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff is about fetishization of ownership, sue,
Speaker 3: because anybody could take the screenshot of the thing. I
Speaker 3: can look at anybody's monkey board ape, which by the way,
Speaker 3: these are like generative NFTs, so they're like created by
Speaker 3: an algorithm to look different, but they all kind of
Speaker 3: look the same. Like Ozzy Osbourne got in on it too.
Speaker 3: We have these like Ozzie Bat things that were all
Speaker 3: just generated and there'd be a limited number of them,
Speaker 3: like Pokemon or whatever. It might be training cards, but
Speaker 3: it's all virtual.
Speaker 1: Oh uh. One point though, before we get the email, uh,
Speaker 1: the technology behind NFTs, the blockchain stuff does have efficacy
Speaker 1: for things like.
Speaker 3: Absolutely we've talked about that along the way as well.
Speaker 3: Not only that marijuana has not been fully recreationally legal
Speaker 3: in New York City until very recently, but it was
Speaker 3: so decriminalized that there were literal brick and mortar weed
Speaker 3: dispensaries and shops. But much like the whole deal, where
Speaker 3: like in Atlanta, for the longest time, we had all
Speaker 3: these breweries that would not allow you to buy beer
Speaker 3: on site at the brewery, so they'd sell you a
Speaker 3: tour and they'd give you this little ticket and then
Speaker 3: you'd exchange the ticket for your beer at the end
Speaker 3: like a gift. And one way that some of these
Speaker 3: New York sort of dispensaries, these sort of skirting the
Speaker 3: law gray area dispensaries were doing it is they and
Speaker 3: I did this one time. You pick out the things
Speaker 3: that you want, they quote unquote sell you an NFT
Speaker 3: that comes in your email and then they give you
Speaker 3: the products that you've requested as a free gift. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: it's another very clever use of this.
Speaker 1: This that isn't Yeah, that reminds me of the the
Speaker 1: weird gambling loopholes. In Japan, for instance, there are these
Speaker 1: pachinko parlors, but gambling straight away is wish wish illegal.
Speaker 1: So you win, you win prizes or points, and then
Speaker 1: you go up, you literally go across the street and
Speaker 1: exchange that thing for any number of stuff.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, not to get too off to but maybe
Speaker 3: you can shed some light on this. Ben Here in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: gambling is not legal. There's no casinos in Atlanta, but
Speaker 3: some gas stations in certain parts of town have these
Speaker 3: poker machines and you see people sitting on them feeding
Speaker 3: them money. What's up with those? Is it common just
Speaker 3: for funzies or is there some payout or is it
Speaker 3: just totally flouting the law, if that's even a word.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to derail us too often,
Speaker 1: but I do. From what I understand, there are not
Speaker 1: infrequent instances where there's a back room marked them toys only,
Speaker 1: and that's where I've.
Speaker 3: Seen these in the main room. Like there's one down
Speaker 3: the street from me. There's like three or four of
Speaker 3: them in the main that's always posted up at him.
Speaker 1: That's the opening, dude, the opening you play there, I
Speaker 1: guess you get your points or whatever, and then you.
Speaker 3: Go, Okay, well, I guess the back room of n
Speaker 3: F T s. Yeah. Again. The point is NFTs famously tanked,
Speaker 3: didn't go wells, magic beans, pixie dust, Woozy wazzy whatever,
Speaker 3: the character that Matthew McConaughey plays, and Wolf of Wall
Speaker 3: Street's talking about for stocks. You know, he's like, nobody
Speaker 3: can predict any of this, it's all, you know, yes,
Speaker 3: that and that was all apparently Ben's handing on his chest,
Speaker 3: that was all apparently improvised. But I love when he
Speaker 3: just says tootski and he offers some little cocaine spoon
Speaker 3: and then he instructs him on how to order martinis
Speaker 3: and keep him coming and all that, and he gives
Speaker 3: him this whole spiel. You know how this all ephemeral,
Speaker 3: all this stock stuff, and we know that stocks are
Speaker 3: less ephemeral than this NFT or crypto stuff, but only
Speaker 3: like by only minor orders of magnitude, if that's not
Speaker 3: a total misnomer what I just said. But the back
Speaker 3: room now has become these like kind of self congratulatory
Speaker 3: parties where it's like, no, no, everything's still cool, y'all.
Speaker 3: We we're good, we are the ones riding this out.
Speaker 3: We're weathering the storm, y'all. And this is a thing
Speaker 3: that's been happening since before the crash. And I forget
Speaker 3: the exact number, but NFTs have lost just nearly all
Speaker 3: of their value, Like like if you average it up together,
Speaker 3: I think the value of like NFTs overall is like
Speaker 3: practically zero. And I think, like justin Bieber spent a
Speaker 3: multimillion dollars on one, it's now worth like thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, just the amount of loss
Speaker 3: practically equals it flatlining. But in Hong Kong, this this
Speaker 3: is one of these very exclusive, you know, NFT community parties.
Speaker 3: Is this happened again despite the climate, the board Ape
Speaker 3: Yacht Club through this event, the organizer of it being
Speaker 3: Yuga Labs, the company based in the US that's originated
Speaker 3: the board Ape Yacht Club and that whole deal, and apparently,
Speaker 3: you know, this is it's kind of thing you might
Speaker 3: think like sort of a techno bro party type thing,
Speaker 3: like an activation like it south by Southwest, but very
Speaker 3: specifically focused on these board apes. So you'll see like
Speaker 3: animated apes djaying with lots of light shows and lasers
Speaker 3: and video projections, and you know, any number of hangers
Speaker 3: on of the crypto and an FT world having booths
Speaker 3: and things like that, trying to get people riled up
Speaker 3: for the next wave, which unfortunately I don't think is
Speaker 3: gonna happen. But it's called Apefest, which is funny in
Speaker 3: and of itself because you know what does an ape do?
Speaker 3: The word ape even like aping someone else's behavior. That's
Speaker 3: kind of what all this is about. It's like not
Speaker 3: wanting to miss so I'm gonna copy what this other
Speaker 3: rich guy's doing because I don't want to like lose out.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have fomo. So it's like Apefest.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and this event took place at Kai Tac
Speaker 3: Cruise terminal and it was all honky dories, like maybe
Speaker 3: a couple hundred people, very high ticket price, probably upwards
Speaker 3: of one thousand dollars if not more than that. I'm
Speaker 3: not seeing the exact entry price right this second. But
Speaker 3: point being party time, you know, animated monkeys, dancing, all
Speaker 3: the good stuff, smoke machines, lasers, black lights, most importantly neon.
Speaker 3: A lot of people. The next day wake up with
Speaker 3: a different kind of hangover. You guys, not just like,
Speaker 3: oh no, that took too much molly and drank too
Speaker 3: much cosa dragonas or whatever. No is molly ecstasy. Molly
Speaker 3: is ecstasy, yes, MDMA whatever. It's still a pretty popular
Speaker 3: dance party kind of club drug for the elites. You know.
Speaker 3: I see you shaking your head and bewilderment. Pen my scene.
Speaker 3: It's not my scene. I just know from what I've
Speaker 3: read it's not never been my thing.
Speaker 2: But that makes sense, you would say, because that drug
Speaker 2: in particular causes extreme dehydration.
Speaker 3: Detridration, headache, dysphoria. They say.
Speaker 1: The crash from that is often quite bad because it
Speaker 1: dumps your serotonin, right.
Speaker 3: It does. It's more so than I think even like cocaine,
Speaker 3: because it gives you such an insane high and it
Speaker 3: just gives you, you know, just shoots you, rushes you full
Speaker 3: of all this good feeling juice, and then the next
Speaker 3: day you're left feeling like a bit of a husk.
Speaker 1: Okay, So people wake up with a some some sort
Speaker 1: of deleterious feeling that cannot be attributed to the substances
Speaker 1: they ingested.
Speaker 3: They're just not quite sure what it is, Okay, And
Speaker 3: people take to the Internet, and it start to kind
Speaker 3: of you know, pull the community. Hey, anybody else wake
Speaker 3: up with your eyeballs feeling like they've been burnt out
Speaker 3: of your skull? Anybody else? Am I blind? Having blurred vision?
Speaker 3: You know? Anybody else literally feel like I've got a
Speaker 3: sunburn on your corneas as Yeah.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people confirmed, right.
Speaker 3: People are like, yeah, yeah, what's up with that? And
Speaker 3: it turns out that some of those laser light dealis
Speaker 3: that I was talking about maybe were the wrong kind.
Speaker 3: Have you guys ever heard of a syndrome called welder's eye, Yeah, photokeratitis,
Speaker 3: that's the word. Ben, You nailed it, Matt. You ever
Speaker 3: seen like those you know, welders they wear those crazy hoods,
Speaker 3: those crazy you know whatever. Well, it's a mask masks, yeah,
Speaker 3: or there are versions of it that are just really sharp,
Speaker 3: tight you know goggles as well.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's kind a lens on it that's a
Speaker 2: particular color that is meant to stop certain frequencies of
Speaker 2: light from entering your eye over and over and over.
Speaker 3: That's correct, if I'm not mistaken. It might be a
Speaker 3: little different with welding, but this case we're dealing with
Speaker 3: the uh, the product of ultraviolet light, a KA radiation
Speaker 3: that has has a very deleterious effect on people who
Speaker 3: are exposed to it for too long, which is again
Speaker 3: why these uh, these you know folks that work around
Speaker 3: did protect themselves. So it came out that Yeah, in fact,
Speaker 3: somebody actually took to the Internet and wrote a pretty
Speaker 3: extensive you know post saying, hey, this is real. Some
Speaker 3: friends of mine borderline have lost their vision. If you
Speaker 3: were at this event, you need to seek medical help
Speaker 3: before it's too late, because this is the kind of
Speaker 3: thing that, if left unchecked, could absolutely lead to long
Speaker 3: term vision loss potential blindness. So the symptoms let's see. Yeah,
Speaker 3: here we go. This guy, yeah, Adam Zadunski z d
Speaker 3: u n c z y k. This is what he
Speaker 3: had to say. He was the guy I was just
Speaker 3: mentioned on x nay Twitter to all my friends who suffer,
Speaker 3: Now go get your eyes checked. You've likely most literally
Speaker 3: got your eyes burned with UV like I did, which
Speaker 3: requires medications, eye drops, eye protection, antibiotics, and specialist care.
Speaker 3: Don't ignore this health hazard. Without proper treatment, it may
Speaker 3: cause long lasting vision impairment and other serious damage. So
Speaker 3: what happened exactly, like we all know that sometimes if
Speaker 3: you go to a certain concert or a certain film,
Speaker 3: there'll be a trigger warning about strobes that could potentially
Speaker 3: affect people with say epilepsy, that can be a very
Speaker 3: serious medical thing, but it doesn't burn out your eyeballs.
Speaker 3: And you know, typically lasers, while dangerous if pointed directly
Speaker 3: at the eye, you know, into the eye, that could
Speaker 3: cause problems if it stuck there long enough. But that's
Speaker 3: not something that you hear people complaining about going to
Speaker 3: raves or are these kind of parties. So something is amiss.
Speaker 3: So what happened you know that this is this seems
Speaker 3: like something got switched. Was it nefarious with somebody like
Speaker 3: some you know, v for Vendetta type character trying to
Speaker 3: target these these revelers, you know and make them pay.
Speaker 3: I mean, the irony is so thick you could cut
Speaker 3: it with a whatever, a knife of some kind, a laser.
Speaker 3: Perhaps we're talking about people who paid a bunch of
Speaker 3: money so they could get a picture of a monkey,
Speaker 3: an ape or whatever, and they you know, so they
Speaker 3: could presumably look at it, go to an event. You know,
Speaker 3: that's almost like partying on the deck of the Titanic
Speaker 3: as it sinks, but like a year later kind of
Speaker 3: like and then now they're now they're potentially blind and
Speaker 3: can't look at anything anymore. It's it's too much, it's wild.
Speaker 3: So what ended up happening, we think, or is the theory,
Speaker 3: is that some of these light tubes, these bulbs, they
Speaker 3: accidentally somehow we don't know again how we're switched out.
Speaker 3: Like there are these certain grades of light that would
Speaker 3: be like a black light leads like Spencer's to make
Speaker 3: a velvet poster of a dragon, you know, look like
Speaker 3: all shiny and stuff. And then there's something else, something
Speaker 3: called the Phillips TUV thirty watt G thirty eight bulb,
Speaker 3: which is a light bulb that emits twelve watts of
Speaker 3: uv C radiation and is used for disinfection purposes. This
Speaker 3: would be like one of those lights right like you
Speaker 3: see in those hotel room exposs maybe where they shine
Speaker 3: the thing and that's you know, every and you notice
Speaker 3: when they do that, people usually put on glasses, don't they.
Speaker 3: If they're doing it for a while, they usually pass
Speaker 3: out some little glasses. And I guess presumably there were
Speaker 3: tons of these, and people also had burns on their skin,
Speaker 3: not only on their eyes.
Speaker 1: Isn't this Yeah, isn't this used to like it's a
Speaker 1: light based germicide?
Speaker 3: That's it? Really? Maybe I'm getting it wrong, you know
Speaker 3: what we did talk about Remember during COVID people were
Speaker 3: saying UV light could potentially kill COVID, but it was
Speaker 3: also mixed up with a bunch of other bs claims.
Speaker 3: But yes, absolutely, I'm sure this could potentially be a disinfectant.
Speaker 3: But you would, again, if it's been emitting that much
Speaker 3: actual radiation, you would protect yourself. And if enough of
Speaker 3: these were installed, that could be really really good news.
Speaker 1: Could it be a translation error or some sort of
Speaker 1: like I'm with you Nol on the idea that this
Speaker 1: was not a malevolent action, right, But could it be
Speaker 1: a matter of someone just getting the wrong item in
Speaker 1: an invoice or working in English versus working in Chinese
Speaker 1: characters and idiograms like.
Speaker 3: It's certainly possible that I haven't seen that exact speculation.
Speaker 3: One thing I did see, though, and I will wrap
Speaker 3: it up with this was just a comment from the
Speaker 3: organizers essentially not claiming any responsibility. This is the kind
Speaker 3: of thing that you know, they would never claim onsibility.
Speaker 3: They would pass the buck to some supplier, some mistranslation,
Speaker 3: like you said, Ben, and all all all this to
Speaker 3: say that they're looking into it, you know, and that
Speaker 3: they're going to do everything they can to make people whole. Whatever.
Speaker 3: But holly cow, what a what a tail?
Speaker 2: I've been watching a video on loop over here on
Speaker 2: x for quite a while, hosted by Crypto Turk, and
Speaker 2: it's an actual video of the fest, and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to discern which lights are actually the ones we've been
Speaker 2: talking about. And Guys, there's like just kind of a
Speaker 2: blue light hue going on, like that's shown over everybody
Speaker 2: that you can't really tell the source of. And then
Speaker 2: they've got these crazy violet lights that are just kind
Speaker 2: of flying around, you know, like shining down on everybody.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you were laser blasting folks with that,
Speaker 2: if that was the one we're talking about, it would
Speaker 2: not be good. If you just a couple times in
Speaker 2: the night glanced up and saw that thing like right
Speaker 2: in your eyes.
Speaker 3: It's interesting stuff. Somebody would pay at the very least,
Speaker 3: you know, someone will get their finger pointed at them,
Speaker 3: potentially a bony monkey finger cartoon. And Ben, I think
Speaker 3: you found another story of something kind of similar to this,
Speaker 3: a similar whoopsie mix up happening at some kind of
Speaker 3: sneakerhead conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, apparently hype Beast back in twenty Back in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, they had a pop up at a place
Speaker 1: called The Landmark that had similar symptoms. And it looks
Speaker 1: like it was the same It was the same light.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe it's just easy for people to confuse
Speaker 1: the two when they're working on a big venue at scale.
Speaker 3: Well, they need to get that looked into. Toot sweet,
Speaker 3: because yeah, this is not a good look for anybody.
Speaker 3: And again and should to see who takes the fall
Speaker 3: for this. But let's take a quick break here a
Speaker 3: word from our sponsor, and then come back with some
Speaker 3: more strange news.
Speaker 2: And we've returned. Hey, guys, do you like tires?
Speaker 1: I love that they exist, and I hate paying for them. Matt,
Speaker 1: I just had to buy some tires before I left
Speaker 1: town for a while, just to keep a car and
Speaker 1: running condition. And I cheaped out, which I don't usually
Speaker 1: do on a car, but I cheaped out. I didn't
Speaker 1: get all four tires, I just got the front to
Speaker 1: you have to at least buy them in a pair, right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what are you gonna do about your you're
Speaker 2: what they what do they call that? Rotation man? And
Speaker 2: all your alignment and whatever.
Speaker 1: I'll do that on my own.
Speaker 3: I know how to do that.
Speaker 2: But those are all real things that you gotta worry about. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And tires are made out of rubber and a bunch
Speaker 2: of other compounds that assist in rubber continuing to be rubber.
Speaker 2: And that's what this story is gonna be about. This
Speaker 2: is actually something we've brought up before in the past
Speaker 2: when we talked about vehicle, we talked about infrastructure, and
Speaker 2: we talked about pollution. I think we actually mentioned this
Speaker 2: specific chemical before. But today there's it's back in the
Speaker 2: news and it is worth our time. All Right, here
Speaker 2: we go. I'm gonna read from several different sources here,
Speaker 2: but I have a little verbatim. I apologize, but let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and do some shout outs. First shout out
Speaker 2: is to Rocky Mountain Outlook. Yeah, they've got an article
Speaker 2: here written by Mark Theeson three days ago as we
Speaker 2: record this, so Wednesday, November fifth, remember remember sorry, sorry,
Speaker 2: it's just the way slices, remember remember the fifth of November.
Speaker 3: For the Matrix. Yeah, I didn't do that, please carry it.
Speaker 2: So here's the title US regulators that should be the
Speaker 2: EPA will review car tire chemical that kills salmon upon
Speaker 2: request from West Coast tribes and by West Coast tribes,
Speaker 2: it means indigenous tribes in the United States or living
Speaker 2: within the United States territories that exist on US soil. Okay, what,
Speaker 2: First of all, there's a chemical in tires that kills salmon.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound good, let's dig in. Okay, So there
Speaker 2: is in fact a chemical, one chemical that's used in tires.
Speaker 2: And again there are a lot of chemicals, but one
Speaker 2: of them that is used to prevent that rubber from
Speaker 2: breaking down as quickly as it normally would. This is
Speaker 2: a weird chemical, and let's just get it out of
Speaker 2: the way. It's known as six ppd six pp d,
Speaker 2: so if you ever want to refer to it as
Speaker 2: a thing, just call it six ppd. But here's the
Speaker 2: full thing, ready, Yeah, N one to three dimethyl beutle
Speaker 2: n phenyl p phenal and a diamine broke.
Speaker 1: Dude, let's take a moment and admire that pronunciation.
Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome. Its spent way too long on that,
Speaker 2: but so what this chemical does is hanging out there
Speaker 2: with the rubber in the tire that you're rolling around on,
Speaker 2: all four of them, hopefully, and it reacts with oxygen
Speaker 2: and ozone, so two different forms of the oxygen molecules,
Speaker 2: and it oxidizes or ozonidizes, if there's a there's a
Speaker 2: term for it. But that chemical itself is the thing
Speaker 2: that reacts with the oxygen in the in the atmosphere
Speaker 2: around the tire, rather than that oxygen and ozone reacting
Speaker 2: with the rubber itself. Right, Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because if the rubber interacted with the oxygen,
Speaker 2: it would break down and flake away the way you've
Speaker 2: seen rubber breakdown, maybe in an old pencil or something,
Speaker 2: or you've probably just seen old rubber objects that have
Speaker 2: just busted up completely.
Speaker 3: Like a ball.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's just a natural process of what occurs
Speaker 2: with rubber. These chemicals, these additives are meant to stop
Speaker 2: that from happening as quickly as it would. And when
Speaker 2: that chemical six PPD reacts with ozone specifically and oxygen,
Speaker 2: it creates a separate chemical what do you call it.
Speaker 2: It's an it's a product of that chemical plus ozone
Speaker 2: They call this six ppd Q or quenone six ppd
Speaker 2: dash queenone. This is the thing. This like after effect
Speaker 2: right of six ppd interacting with ozone. That's the thing
Speaker 2: that's dangerous because if you imagine the four tires on
Speaker 2: a car rolling down a highway over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over again in one specific part of highway.
Speaker 2: Now imagine that it rains, and on top of that
Speaker 2: highway where all those tires have gone over, this chemical
Speaker 2: has been leeching off onto the ground right for every
Speaker 2: tire that goes across it. When it rains, the water
Speaker 2: interacts with those chemicals and runs all of those chemicals
Speaker 2: off wherever that water's gonna flow. Generally, it's gonna flow
Speaker 2: into a creek or something like that. When it gets
Speaker 2: in there, it continues flowing down to that wherever that
Speaker 2: water goes into. And if salmon and a couple other
Speaker 2: types of fish happen to live in that water, this
Speaker 2: chemical is lethal to them, so not great. Here's the
Speaker 2: big problem, y'all. This chemical has been entires since the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties. Human beings have known that this is a
Speaker 2: byproduct of the chemicals we've been using. Entires since the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties for about that long.
Speaker 3: Well did that episode on The Michelin Man, The Michelin
Speaker 3: Tires on ridiculous History, and like there was a whole
Speaker 3: history of like crazy gnarly chemicals and tires that was
Speaker 3: like essentially almost like a cover up.
Speaker 1: Right, If you want to see some conversational parkour or
Speaker 1: hears some you can also tune into several car stuff
Speaker 1: episodes on tires. You're right, Matt, it's been uh, it's
Speaker 1: been kind of nasty for a while, but it was
Speaker 1: easy to ignore I think for many people. And to
Speaker 1: your point about the Interstate's modern pavement to the problem
Speaker 1: is arguably exacerbated because the chemical composition of the pavement
Speaker 1: is such that it absorbs water or transfers water differently
Speaker 1: than plain old dirt.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, If you want to get those same lessons, Ben,
Speaker 2: head on over to the website for the US Tire
Speaker 2: Manufacturers Association, because in there they've addressed these issues and
Speaker 2: the fact we didn't even say yet will jump back
Speaker 2: in just a moment, but they've addressed these issues, and
Speaker 2: you know, provided all this information about previous studies about
Speaker 2: this particular chemical, about potential fixes which would both get
Speaker 2: rid of that chemical or reduce that chemical and maintain
Speaker 2: the safety standards in tires for vehicles on roads in
Speaker 2: the United States, because that is the main argument for
Speaker 2: keeping this six PPD around. It is the most reliable
Speaker 2: chemical to prevent tire breakdown that exists and that is
Speaker 2: known of right now. And if you've ever seen a
Speaker 2: tire explode on the highway, whether from you know, an
Speaker 2: eighteen wheeler or just a regular car, you know how
Speaker 2: dangerous that can be. How it can potentially kill the
Speaker 2: driver and another driver or a bunch of drivers cause
Speaker 2: a major accident, or the debris from a tire can
Speaker 2: cause a major accident itself. Like that's scary stuff, really
Speaker 2: really scary stuff. So I understand the tire manufacturers saying, hey,
Speaker 2: this has been working. We need a solution. But we
Speaker 2: got to remember that this is working. But they list
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff like, hey, one potential thing we
Speaker 2: could do is rubber treat all the asphalt on the highways,
Speaker 2: So the asphalt itself is rubber treating. You're like, well, guys,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that does the right thing. But again,
Speaker 2: there was a study in two thousand and six that
Speaker 2: the Arizona Department of Transportation conducted and they found, Hey,
Speaker 2: you can reduce tirewear by fifty percent if you rubber
Speaker 2: treated the road too.
Speaker 1: Anyway, doesn't that seem like a miss like just an interject, Matt,
Speaker 1: Does that not seem like a bad faith argument. They're saying, well,
Speaker 1: we could do things. Here's our solution. Put the rubber
Speaker 1: on the entirety of the United States roads.
Speaker 3: Where the rubber meets the road. Guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally. There are other ideas like, well, why don't
Speaker 2: we just use chopped up tires to make these things
Speaker 2: on the sides of highways to trap some of the chemicals.
Speaker 2: And again I get it. It's the tire manufacturers Association saying, hey,
Speaker 2: how do we benefit from this thing? I get it.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 1: Like when they wanted to make coral reefs out of
Speaker 1: old tires. Yeah, spoiler didn't work out.
Speaker 3: It could have.
Speaker 2: Who knows, that's the thing. Gotta give things a try.
Speaker 2: But if there's motivations behind it that are pretty clear,
Speaker 2: we should probably just be open about those motivations. The
Speaker 2: whole reason this is even happening that the Environmental Protection
Speaker 2: Agency has even taken a look at this chemical is
Speaker 2: because those tribes got together and they made a huge
Speaker 2: petition saying, hey, this specific type of salmon is really
Speaker 2: important culturally to us, and this chemical is wiping out
Speaker 2: the populations along the Puget Sound, along all these other
Speaker 2: areas in the Northwest. Let's call out these tribes. It's
Speaker 2: the Uruk tribe in California, the Port Gamble Sclullum, and
Speaker 2: the Yallop tribes in Washington. They all got together and
Speaker 2: they asked the e P a, hey, help us out.
Speaker 2: It's specifically Coho salmon c o h O salmon.
Speaker 3: Isn't that the kind that's sort of like the real
Speaker 3: pink kind that you get like at the regular just
Speaker 3: the store.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know a ton about this specific.
Speaker 3: Heard of it, and but I'm trying to remember if
Speaker 3: it's like basic kind of like you know, the lowest
Speaker 3: tier salmon, or if it's a nicer one. But that
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I know I've heard the name before. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: Coho versus Sake versus King, So like Sake and King
Speaker 3: are the fancy ones. Coho is still kind of fancy.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's like definitely up there, but it's a
Speaker 3: little less fancy than the sake or the king.
Speaker 1: Because it's not farm raised. I think that's you get
Speaker 1: the wild caught, so you get the you get the
Speaker 1: extra edible parasites. That's true.
Speaker 3: Yea. Also, no fish is pink like that. It's just
Speaker 3: not a it's yellow, you know.
Speaker 1: But but also, uh, they're already I believe coho or
Speaker 1: wild caught salmon is already in a bit of a
Speaker 1: pickle because a bunch of farm raised salmon escaped recently.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, they're also in trouble because there are a
Speaker 2: bunch of dams that have been built on you know,
Speaker 2: salmon travel very specific routes to get back to their
Speaker 2: spawning areas, and you know, if you build a dam
Speaker 2: over the route, probably.
Speaker 3: Fish ladders or no. Is that a thing that salmon
Speaker 3: will cooperate with? And I'm not sure, I just cause
Speaker 3: came up recently, the idea of fish ladders. I was
Speaker 3: talking to my kid about the Hoover dams. She's like
Speaker 3: one of those things that the fish go up. I'm like,
Speaker 3: fish fish thing, fish ladder, that's what that?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm assuming because I don't know
Speaker 2: how else you get over a dam, right, once something
Speaker 2: artificial like that's been put in place. This is all
Speaker 2: to say it is worth our time at least to
Speaker 2: probably as humans think about tire alternatives. There have been
Speaker 2: many over the years potential tire alternatives that either use
Speaker 2: the same rubber materials but in a very different way,
Speaker 2: or use a different lattice structure, things that we've again,
Speaker 2: we talked about this on the show so many times.
Speaker 2: It is worth our time as humans to really invest
Speaker 2: in this. At some point, maybe if we can convince
Speaker 2: one of those billionaires that's trying to get to the
Speaker 2: stars to like, I don't know, focus down here for
Speaker 2: a little bit, would be we could make something happen.
Speaker 1: Make ecological hygiene sexy again, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, we're going to have to workshop that because
Speaker 1: it doesn't quite I don't think it quite lands linguistically
Speaker 1: for a chant, but something like that, Matt, and you
Speaker 1: gave us these fantastic articles too in these sources. I
Speaker 1: was unaware of this specific issue. I think we support
Speaker 1: the indigenous peoples that are are fighting for ecological justice here.
Speaker 1: There was a point in the Rocky Mountain Outlook article
Speaker 1: that you share where one of the one of the
Speaker 1: boffins says, it's we're focused on this one chemical, but it's.
Speaker 3: Bigger than that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, could you talk about that just a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just the fact that there are a lot
Speaker 2: of additives to the rubber and metal and stuff, all
Speaker 2: the things that create what a modern tire is. And
Speaker 2: a lot of those chemicals again, they all break down,
Speaker 2: right because the rubber. If you've ever been to get
Speaker 2: a check up on your tires, they check the depth
Speaker 2: of your tire, and that is because it's physically wearing
Speaker 2: down as that rubber hits the road and it doesn't
Speaker 2: just go away or you know, dissipate into the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: When that rubber goes away, it goes onto the streets
Speaker 2: and it gets run off. And because again, a tire
Speaker 2: is a complicated kind of cool thing, an invention that
Speaker 2: humanity has created.
Speaker 3: And it lasts a lot, you know, relatively long time.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would say it's not like planned obsolescence,
Speaker 3: Like no one has invented forever tires yet, right.
Speaker 2: Correct, And you can rebuild those tires. There's a whole
Speaker 2: there's a whole industry of basically replacing the outer layer
Speaker 2: of a tire to continue its functionality. That's right, and
Speaker 2: it's there are a lot of chemicals in there to
Speaker 2: make it what it is. Most of them aren't great
Speaker 2: for wildlife.
Speaker 1: I mean that beautiful new car smell is also not
Speaker 1: great for the people smelling it all. Like in that case,
Speaker 1: it's VOCs, right, volatile organic chemicals. But this is perfect
Speaker 1: strange news because this is something I would argue that
Speaker 1: doesn't get the national mainstream attention that it really needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, one of the I guess worst things
Speaker 2: about that article. Oh no. It was from the Puget
Speaker 2: Sound Institute and it was an article written in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, and it was covering the tire related chemicals
Speaker 2: and how cohosam and are being affected, how the populations
Speaker 2: are being affected, and how they had just basically these
Speaker 2: groups had just worked their butts off to get the
Speaker 2: co host salmon population back up, and they seem to
Speaker 2: be thriving, and then all of a sudden, they're like, wait,
Speaker 2: what the heck's happening now? And it turns out it
Speaker 2: was this tire runoff somehow that was affecting specific areas
Speaker 2: of where they travel when they go to reproduce. Check
Speaker 2: out Huget Sound Institute dot org and the article titled
Speaker 2: discovery of tire related chemical that kills co host Salmon
Speaker 2: sparks widespread response from August twenty twenty one. Oh and
Speaker 2: one last thing to check out Department of Ecology, State
Speaker 2: of Washington. They've got a great article on here. It's
Speaker 2: super short, but it explains pretty succinctly like what the
Speaker 2: problem is and it uses a couple of infographics that
Speaker 2: are very helpful.
Speaker 1: And with that, folks, we cannot wait to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Thank you as always for tuning in this evening. Several
Speaker 1: of us are riding the highway right now on some
Speaker 1: of those car tires. Tell us what you think about
Speaker 1: the larger issue here, tell us what you think about
Speaker 1: inn FT's and lasers non consensually in your eyes, and
Speaker 1: of course, enjoy your chicken nuggets.
Speaker 3: Uh. Can we hear about some heights on the listener
Speaker 3: mail episode to follow this?
Speaker 1: Oh, did we mention the heist on air? We did?
Speaker 3: We did, did did, But we're at a time we
Speaker 3: don't want to give a short shrift. So let's see, right.
Speaker 3: We had a little bit of a preamble beginning to
Speaker 3: this episode. But these are fun and to Matt's point,
Speaker 3: off Mike, they're very evergreen.
Speaker 1: Well we will see, yes, agreed and great catch Noel,
Speaker 1: uh Samon jokes. Uh, so we are going to return
Speaker 1: very soon. We want to thank everybody. We had a
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