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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noah. They call

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Speaker 3: me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission

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Speaker 1: control decads. Most importantly, you are here, and that makes

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Speaker 1: this the stuff they don't want you to know. Strange

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Speaker 1: news for strange days, strange days. Indeed, we're going to

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Speaker 1: explore some irony in the world of NFTs. We're going

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Speaker 1: to explore us some regulation, the consequences thereof, and the

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Speaker 1: necessity thereof. And before we get into any of that, uh,

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Speaker 1: we found now that there's always a list of heist

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Speaker 1: every time we do this strange news segment. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we want to save those for the end

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Speaker 1: or if we want to just run through them. Now,

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Speaker 1: what do you guys think?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, you know I love a good ridiculous heist.

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Speaker 3: I'd say dealer's choice.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, I think at the end would be great. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: you know one thing we haven't done. Have we spoken

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Speaker 2: a loud about how much fun we had at the

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Speaker 2: This Is Important Live show.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we have that publicly, we should make a statement.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's put it out and let's get you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually am applying to be a notary later, so

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Speaker 1: we can we can stamp stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like.

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Speaker 1: What is a little bit easier than the other. Actually

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Speaker 1: we could do you.

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Speaker 3: Get your own personalized like stamp one of those big, thick,

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Speaker 3: chunky boys. I think you too, awesome.

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Speaker 1: We could the three of us could make a day

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Speaker 1: of it. If you guys want to go become notaries.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a very unnecessary power. But you know

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Speaker 3: It's a cool micro superpower. I would argue. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Well, despite none of us currently being notaries, Matt, you

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Speaker 1: raise an excellent point, we did, indeed get to meet

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Speaker 3: Would we agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Well, definitely guys that we look up to because they're

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Speaker 2: for years. So yeah, I mean the workaholics guys. You

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Speaker 2: If you're okay with let's call it blue humor.

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Speaker 3: Maybe.

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Speaker 2: But it was just a tremendously fun show and those

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Speaker 2: guys as individuals were extremely kind and not what you

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Speaker 3: To and that won't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not the case with those guys.

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Speaker 3: It so cool too, Like I had. The venue they

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Speaker 3: Workaholics guys you know talking about tie Buttholes. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was fantastic and Workaholics was a fantastic show. Before that,

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Speaker 3: It's so bad. It's like, this is what AI should

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that was intentional on mister Jackson this

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Speaker 3: Please God. That song is so good? Is that it's

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Speaker 3: You're a boy with the Boy in the Bubble, Boy

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Speaker 1: Losing love is like a window in your heart. You

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Speaker 1: unquote recalling around thirty thousand pounds of chicken nuggets. That

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Speaker 1: These are specifically, get this, the fun nuggets, which is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the vaguely triceratopsy and stegosaurus and nuggets.

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Speaker 2: Aka the one Matt fed his son for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love them. You know what, you nailed it.

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Speaker 3: They did it right with the brand, and they're fun.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's almost like an embedded lesson about uh empowerment.

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Speaker 1: So the the issue here is, of course, chicken nuggets

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Speaker 1: So Tyson released a statement and you can read it

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Speaker 3: And the formula that they talk about in Fight Club,

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Speaker 2: and I'm trying to recall it right now DLS. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But it's a mirror, so they watch themselves American psycho

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Speaker 3: And we're back, and you know what else is back?

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Speaker 3: Fellas McRib I hope, So what's what's what's mcribs season?

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like a cthulhu?

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Speaker 3: Uh, I mean literally, what time of the year is it?

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Speaker 3: news as much lately NFTs. Maybe remember those million dollar

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Speaker 3: Somebody just took his apes. There was all this stuff

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Speaker 3: practically zero. And I think, like justin Bieber spent a

433
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: multimillion dollars on one, it's now worth like thirty thousand dollars.

434
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, just the amount of loss

435
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: practically equals it flatlining. But in Hong Kong, this this

436
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: is one of these very exclusive, you know, NFT community parties.

437
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 3: Is this happened again despite the climate, the board Ape

438
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: Yacht Club through this event, the organizer of it being

439
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: Yuga Labs, the company based in the US that's originated

440
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: the board Ape Yacht Club and that whole deal, and apparently,

441
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: you know, this is it's kind of thing you might

442
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: think like sort of a techno bro party type thing,

443
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: like an activation like it south by Southwest, but very

444
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: specifically focused on these board apes. So you'll see like

445
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: animated apes djaying with lots of light shows and lasers

446
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 3: and video projections, and you know, any number of hangers

447
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: on of the crypto and an FT world having booths

448
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: and things like that, trying to get people riled up

449
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: for the next wave, which unfortunately I don't think is

450
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: gonna happen. But it's called Apefest, which is funny in

451
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: and of itself because you know what does an ape do?

452
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: The word ape even like aping someone else's behavior. That's

453
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: kind of what all this is about. It's like not

454
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 3: wanting to miss so I'm gonna copy what this other

455
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: rich guy's doing because I don't want to like lose out.

456
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to have fomo. So it's like Apefest.

457
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: And yeah, and this event took place at Kai Tac

458
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 3: Cruise terminal and it was all honky dories, like maybe

459
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: a couple hundred people, very high ticket price, probably upwards

460
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: of one thousand dollars if not more than that. I'm

461
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: not seeing the exact entry price right this second. But

462
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: point being party time, you know, animated monkeys, dancing, all

463
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: the good stuff, smoke machines, lasers, black lights, most importantly neon.

464
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: A lot of people. The next day wake up with

465
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: a different kind of hangover. You guys, not just like,

466
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 3: oh no, that took too much molly and drank too

467
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: much cosa dragonas or whatever. No is molly ecstasy. Molly

468
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: is ecstasy, yes, MDMA whatever. It's still a pretty popular

469
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 3: dance party kind of club drug for the elites. You know.

470
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: I see you shaking your head and bewilderment. Pen my scene.

471
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 3: It's not my scene. I just know from what I've

472
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: read it's not never been my thing.

473
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: But that makes sense, you would say, because that drug

474
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: in particular causes extreme dehydration.

475
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: Detridration, headache, dysphoria. They say.

476
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: The crash from that is often quite bad because it

477
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: dumps your serotonin, right.

478
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: It does. It's more so than I think even like cocaine,

479
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: because it gives you such an insane high and it

480
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: just gives you, you know, just shoots you, rushes you full

481
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: of all this good feeling juice, and then the next

482
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: day you're left feeling like a bit of a husk.

483
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So people wake up with a some some sort

484
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: of deleterious feeling that cannot be attributed to the substances

485
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: they ingested.

486
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: They're just not quite sure what it is, Okay, And

487
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: people take to the Internet, and it start to kind

488
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: of you know, pull the community. Hey, anybody else wake

489
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: up with your eyeballs feeling like they've been burnt out

490
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: of your skull? Anybody else? Am I blind? Having blurred vision?

491
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: You know? Anybody else literally feel like I've got a

492
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: sunburn on your corneas as Yeah.

493
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: And a lot of people confirmed, right.

494
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: People are like, yeah, yeah, what's up with that? And

495
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: it turns out that some of those laser light dealis

496
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: that I was talking about maybe were the wrong kind.

497
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: Have you guys ever heard of a syndrome called welder's eye, Yeah, photokeratitis,

498
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: that's the word. Ben, You nailed it, Matt. You ever

499
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: seen like those you know, welders they wear those crazy hoods,

500
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: those crazy you know whatever. Well, it's a mask masks, yeah,

501
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: or there are versions of it that are just really sharp,

502
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: tight you know goggles as well.

503
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: Right, And it's kind a lens on it that's a

504
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: particular color that is meant to stop certain frequencies of

505
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: light from entering your eye over and over and over.

506
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: That's correct, if I'm not mistaken. It might be a

507
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: little different with welding, but this case we're dealing with

508
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: the uh, the product of ultraviolet light, a KA radiation

509
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: that has has a very deleterious effect on people who

510
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: are exposed to it for too long, which is again

511
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: why these uh, these you know folks that work around

512
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: did protect themselves. So it came out that Yeah, in fact,

513
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: somebody actually took to the Internet and wrote a pretty

514
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: extensive you know post saying, hey, this is real. Some

515
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: friends of mine borderline have lost their vision. If you

516
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: were at this event, you need to seek medical help

517
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: before it's too late, because this is the kind of

518
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: thing that, if left unchecked, could absolutely lead to long

519
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: term vision loss potential blindness. So the symptoms let's see. Yeah,

520
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: here we go. This guy, yeah, Adam Zadunski z d

521
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: u n c z y k. This is what he

522
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: had to say. He was the guy I was just

523
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: mentioned on x nay Twitter to all my friends who suffer,

524
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: Now go get your eyes checked. You've likely most literally

525
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: got your eyes burned with UV like I did, which

526
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: requires medications, eye drops, eye protection, antibiotics, and specialist care.

527
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: Don't ignore this health hazard. Without proper treatment, it may

528
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: cause long lasting vision impairment and other serious damage. So

529
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 3: what happened exactly, like we all know that sometimes if

530
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: you go to a certain concert or a certain film,

531
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: there'll be a trigger warning about strobes that could potentially

532
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: affect people with say epilepsy, that can be a very

533
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: serious medical thing, but it doesn't burn out your eyeballs.

534
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: And you know, typically lasers, while dangerous if pointed directly

535
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: at the eye, you know, into the eye, that could

536
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: cause problems if it stuck there long enough. But that's

537
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: not something that you hear people complaining about going to

538
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: raves or are these kind of parties. So something is amiss.

539
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: So what happened you know that this is this seems

540
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: like something got switched. Was it nefarious with somebody like

541
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: some you know, v for Vendetta type character trying to

542
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: target these these revelers, you know and make them pay.

543
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: I mean, the irony is so thick you could cut

544
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 3: it with a whatever, a knife of some kind, a laser.

545
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: Perhaps we're talking about people who paid a bunch of

546
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: money so they could get a picture of a monkey,

547
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: an ape or whatever, and they you know, so they

548
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: could presumably look at it, go to an event. You know,

549
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: that's almost like partying on the deck of the Titanic

550
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 3: as it sinks, but like a year later kind of

551
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: like and then now they're now they're potentially blind and

552
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: can't look at anything anymore. It's it's too much, it's wild.

553
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: So what ended up happening, we think, or is the theory,

554
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: is that some of these light tubes, these bulbs, they

555
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: accidentally somehow we don't know again how we're switched out.

556
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: Like there are these certain grades of light that would

557
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: be like a black light leads like Spencer's to make

558
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: a velvet poster of a dragon, you know, look like

559
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: all shiny and stuff. And then there's something else, something

560
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: called the Phillips TUV thirty watt G thirty eight bulb,

561
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: which is a light bulb that emits twelve watts of

562
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: uv C radiation and is used for disinfection purposes. This

563
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: would be like one of those lights right like you

564
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: see in those hotel room exposs maybe where they shine

565
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: the thing and that's you know, every and you notice

566
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: when they do that, people usually put on glasses, don't they.

567
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: If they're doing it for a while, they usually pass

568
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: out some little glasses. And I guess presumably there were

569
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: tons of these, and people also had burns on their skin,

570
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: not only on their eyes.

571
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: Isn't this Yeah, isn't this used to like it's a

572
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: light based germicide?

573
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: That's it? Really? Maybe I'm getting it wrong, you know

574
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: what we did talk about Remember during COVID people were

575
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: saying UV light could potentially kill COVID, but it was

576
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: also mixed up with a bunch of other bs claims.

577
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: But yes, absolutely, I'm sure this could potentially be a disinfectant.

578
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: But you would, again, if it's been emitting that much

579
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: actual radiation, you would protect yourself. And if enough of

580
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: these were installed, that could be really really good news.

581
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: Could it be a translation error or some sort of

582
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: like I'm with you Nol on the idea that this

583
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: was not a malevolent action, right, But could it be

584
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: a matter of someone just getting the wrong item in

585
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: an invoice or working in English versus working in Chinese

586
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: characters and idiograms like.

587
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: It's certainly possible that I haven't seen that exact speculation.

588
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: One thing I did see, though, and I will wrap

589
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 3: it up with this was just a comment from the

590
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: organizers essentially not claiming any responsibility. This is the kind

591
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: of thing that you know, they would never claim onsibility.

592
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: They would pass the buck to some supplier, some mistranslation,

593
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: like you said, Ben, and all all all this to

594
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: say that they're looking into it, you know, and that

595
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: they're going to do everything they can to make people whole. Whatever.

596
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 3: But holly cow, what a what a tail?

597
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: I've been watching a video on loop over here on

598
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: x for quite a while, hosted by Crypto Turk, and

599
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: it's an actual video of the fest, and I'm trying

600
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 2: to discern which lights are actually the ones we've been

601
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: talking about. And Guys, there's like just kind of a

602
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: blue light hue going on, like that's shown over everybody

603
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: that you can't really tell the source of. And then

604
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: they've got these crazy violet lights that are just kind

605
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: of flying around, you know, like shining down on everybody.

606
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: I feel like if you were laser blasting folks with that,

607
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: if that was the one we're talking about, it would

608
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: not be good. If you just a couple times in

609
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: the night glanced up and saw that thing like right

610
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: in your eyes.

611
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: It's interesting stuff. Somebody would pay at the very least,

612
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: you know, someone will get their finger pointed at them,

613
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: potentially a bony monkey finger cartoon. And Ben, I think

614
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: you found another story of something kind of similar to this,

615
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: a similar whoopsie mix up happening at some kind of

616
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: sneakerhead conference.

617
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, apparently hype Beast back in twenty Back in

618
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, they had a pop up at a place

619
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: called The Landmark that had similar symptoms. And it looks

620
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: like it was the same It was the same light.

621
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe it's just easy for people to confuse

622
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: the two when they're working on a big venue at scale.

623
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, they need to get that looked into. Toot sweet,

624
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: because yeah, this is not a good look for anybody.

625
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: And again and should to see who takes the fall

626
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: for this. But let's take a quick break here a

627
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,920
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628
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Speaker 1: I love that they exist, and I hate paying for them. Matt,

631
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Speaker 1: I just had to buy some tires before I left

632
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Speaker 1: town for a while, just to keep a car and

633
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Speaker 1: running condition. And I cheaped out, which I don't usually

634
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Speaker 1: do on a car, but I cheaped out. I didn't

635
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Speaker 1: get all four tires, I just got the front to

636
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Speaker 1: you have to at least buy them in a pair, right.

637
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what are you gonna do about your you're

638
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Speaker 2: what they what do they call that? Rotation man? And

639
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: all your alignment and whatever.

640
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: I'll do that on my own.

641
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: I know how to do that.

642
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: But those are all real things that you gotta worry about. Yeah. Yeah,

643
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: And tires are made out of rubber and a bunch

644
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: of other compounds that assist in rubber continuing to be rubber.

645
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Speaker 2: And that's what this story is gonna be about. This

646
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: is actually something we've brought up before in the past

647
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: when we talked about vehicle, we talked about infrastructure, and

648
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 2: we talked about pollution. I think we actually mentioned this

649
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: specific chemical before. But today there's it's back in the

650
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 2: news and it is worth our time. All Right, here

651
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: we go. I'm gonna read from several different sources here,

652
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: but I have a little verbatim. I apologize, but let's

653
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: go ahead and do some shout outs. First shout out

654
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: is to Rocky Mountain Outlook. Yeah, they've got an article

655
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: here written by Mark Theeson three days ago as we

656
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: record this, so Wednesday, November fifth, remember remember sorry, sorry,

657
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: it's just the way slices, remember remember the fifth of November.

658
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: For the Matrix. Yeah, I didn't do that, please carry it.

659
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: So here's the title US regulators that should be the

660
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: EPA will review car tire chemical that kills salmon upon

661
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: request from West Coast tribes and by West Coast tribes,

662
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: it means indigenous tribes in the United States or living

663
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: within the United States territories that exist on US soil. Okay, what,

664
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: First of all, there's a chemical in tires that kills salmon.

665
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound good, let's dig in. Okay, So there

666
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: is in fact a chemical, one chemical that's used in tires.

667
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: And again there are a lot of chemicals, but one

668
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: of them that is used to prevent that rubber from

669
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: breaking down as quickly as it normally would. This is

670
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: a weird chemical, and let's just get it out of

671
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: the way. It's known as six ppd six pp d,

672
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: so if you ever want to refer to it as

673
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: a thing, just call it six ppd. But here's the

674
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: full thing, ready, Yeah, N one to three dimethyl beutle

675
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: n phenyl p phenal and a diamine broke.

676
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: Dude, let's take a moment and admire that pronunciation.

677
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome. Its spent way too long on that,

678
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: but so what this chemical does is hanging out there

679
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: with the rubber in the tire that you're rolling around on,

680
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: all four of them, hopefully, and it reacts with oxygen

681
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: and ozone, so two different forms of the oxygen molecules,

682
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: and it oxidizes or ozonidizes, if there's a there's a

683
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: term for it. But that chemical itself is the thing

684
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: that reacts with the oxygen in the in the atmosphere

685
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: around the tire, rather than that oxygen and ozone reacting

686
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: with the rubber itself. Right, Does that make sense?

687
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

688
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because if the rubber interacted with the oxygen,

689
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: it would break down and flake away the way you've

690
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: seen rubber breakdown, maybe in an old pencil or something,

691
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: or you've probably just seen old rubber objects that have

692
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: just busted up completely.

693
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: Like a ball.

694
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's just a natural process of what occurs

695
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: with rubber. These chemicals, these additives are meant to stop

696
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 2: that from happening as quickly as it would. And when

697
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: that chemical six PPD reacts with ozone specifically and oxygen,

698
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: it creates a separate chemical what do you call it.

699
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: It's an it's a product of that chemical plus ozone

700
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: They call this six ppd Q or quenone six ppd

701
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: dash queenone. This is the thing. This like after effect

702
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: right of six ppd interacting with ozone. That's the thing

703
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: that's dangerous because if you imagine the four tires on

704
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: a car rolling down a highway over and over and

705
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: over and over again in one specific part of highway.

706
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: Now imagine that it rains, and on top of that

707
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: highway where all those tires have gone over, this chemical

708
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: has been leeching off onto the ground right for every

709
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: tire that goes across it. When it rains, the water

710
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: interacts with those chemicals and runs all of those chemicals

711
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: off wherever that water's gonna flow. Generally, it's gonna flow

712
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: into a creek or something like that. When it gets

713
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: in there, it continues flowing down to that wherever that

714
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: water goes into. And if salmon and a couple other

715
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: types of fish happen to live in that water, this

716
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: chemical is lethal to them, so not great. Here's the

717
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: big problem, y'all. This chemical has been entires since the

718
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties. Human beings have known that this is a

719
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: byproduct of the chemicals we've been using. Entires since the

720
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties for about that long.

721
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 3: Well did that episode on The Michelin Man, The Michelin

722
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: Tires on ridiculous History, and like there was a whole

723
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: history of like crazy gnarly chemicals and tires that was

724
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: like essentially almost like a cover up.

725
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Right, If you want to see some conversational parkour or

726
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: hears some you can also tune into several car stuff

727
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: episodes on tires. You're right, Matt, it's been uh, it's

728
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: been kind of nasty for a while, but it was

729
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: easy to ignore I think for many people. And to

730
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: your point about the Interstate's modern pavement to the problem

731
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: is arguably exacerbated because the chemical composition of the pavement

732
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: is such that it absorbs water or transfers water differently

733
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: than plain old dirt.

734
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, If you want to get those same lessons, Ben,

735
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 2: head on over to the website for the US Tire

736
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Manufacturers Association, because in there they've addressed these issues and

737
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: the fact we didn't even say yet will jump back

738
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: in just a moment, but they've addressed these issues, and

739
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: you know, provided all this information about previous studies about

740
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: this particular chemical, about potential fixes which would both get

741
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: rid of that chemical or reduce that chemical and maintain

742
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: the safety standards in tires for vehicles on roads in

743
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: the United States, because that is the main argument for

744
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: keeping this six PPD around. It is the most reliable

745
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: chemical to prevent tire breakdown that exists and that is

746
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: known of right now. And if you've ever seen a

747
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: tire explode on the highway, whether from you know, an

748
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: eighteen wheeler or just a regular car, you know how

749
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: dangerous that can be. How it can potentially kill the

750
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: driver and another driver or a bunch of drivers cause

751
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: a major accident, or the debris from a tire can

752
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: cause a major accident itself. Like that's scary stuff, really

753
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: really scary stuff. So I understand the tire manufacturers saying, hey,

754
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: this has been working. We need a solution. But we

755
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: got to remember that this is working. But they list

756
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff like, hey, one potential thing we

757
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: could do is rubber treat all the asphalt on the highways,

758
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: So the asphalt itself is rubber treating. You're like, well, guys,

759
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if that does the right thing. But again,

760
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: there was a study in two thousand and six that

761
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: the Arizona Department of Transportation conducted and they found, Hey,

762
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: you can reduce tirewear by fifty percent if you rubber

763
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: treated the road too.

764
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: Anyway, doesn't that seem like a miss like just an interject, Matt,

765
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: Does that not seem like a bad faith argument. They're saying, well,

766
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: we could do things. Here's our solution. Put the rubber

767
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: on the entirety of the United States roads.

768
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: Where the rubber meets the road. Guys.

769
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally. There are other ideas like, well, why don't

770
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: we just use chopped up tires to make these things

771
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: on the sides of highways to trap some of the chemicals.

772
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 2: And again I get it. It's the tire manufacturers Association saying, hey,

773
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: how do we benefit from this thing? I get it.

774
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: I understand.

775
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: Like when they wanted to make coral reefs out of

776
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: old tires. Yeah, spoiler didn't work out.

777
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: It could have.

778
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: Who knows, that's the thing. Gotta give things a try.

779
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: But if there's motivations behind it that are pretty clear,

780
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: we should probably just be open about those motivations. The

781
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: whole reason this is even happening that the Environmental Protection

782
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: Agency has even taken a look at this chemical is

783
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 2: because those tribes got together and they made a huge

784
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: petition saying, hey, this specific type of salmon is really

785
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: important culturally to us, and this chemical is wiping out

786
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: the populations along the Puget Sound, along all these other

787
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 2: areas in the Northwest. Let's call out these tribes. It's

788
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: the Uruk tribe in California, the Port Gamble Sclullum, and

789
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: the Yallop tribes in Washington. They all got together and

790
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: they asked the e P a, hey, help us out.

791
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: It's specifically Coho salmon c o h O salmon.

792
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: Isn't that the kind that's sort of like the real

793
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: pink kind that you get like at the regular just

794
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 3: the store.

795
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know a ton about this specific.

796
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: Heard of it, and but I'm trying to remember if

797
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: it's like basic kind of like you know, the lowest

798
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 3: tier salmon, or if it's a nicer one. But that

799
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I know I've heard the name before. Yeah, No,

800
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: Coho versus Sake versus King, So like Sake and King

801
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: are the fancy ones. Coho is still kind of fancy.

802
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 3: It's it's it's like definitely up there, but it's a

803
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: little less fancy than the sake or the king.

804
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: Because it's not farm raised. I think that's you get

805
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: the wild caught, so you get the you get the

806
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: extra edible parasites. That's true.

807
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: Yea. Also, no fish is pink like that. It's just

808
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: not a it's yellow, you know.

809
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: But but also, uh, they're already I believe coho or

810
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: wild caught salmon is already in a bit of a

811
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: pickle because a bunch of farm raised salmon escaped recently.

812
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, they're also in trouble because there are a

813
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: bunch of dams that have been built on you know,

814
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: salmon travel very specific routes to get back to their

815
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: spawning areas, and you know, if you build a dam

816
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: over the route, probably.

817
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: Fish ladders or no. Is that a thing that salmon

818
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: will cooperate with? And I'm not sure, I just cause

819
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: came up recently, the idea of fish ladders. I was

820
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: talking to my kid about the Hoover dams. She's like

821
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: one of those things that the fish go up. I'm like,

822
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: fish fish thing, fish ladder, that's what that?

823
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm assuming because I don't know

824
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: how else you get over a dam, right, once something

825
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: artificial like that's been put in place. This is all

826
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: to say it is worth our time at least to

827
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: probably as humans think about tire alternatives. There have been

828
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: many over the years potential tire alternatives that either use

829
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: the same rubber materials but in a very different way,

830
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: or use a different lattice structure, things that we've again,

831
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: we talked about this on the show so many times.

832
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 2: It is worth our time as humans to really invest

833
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: in this. At some point, maybe if we can convince

834
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: one of those billionaires that's trying to get to the

835
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: stars to like, I don't know, focus down here for

836
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: a little bit, would be we could make something happen.

837
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Make ecological hygiene sexy again, you know what I mean?

838
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

839
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, we're going to have to workshop that because

840
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't quite I don't think it quite lands linguistically

841
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: for a chant, but something like that, Matt, and you

842
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: gave us these fantastic articles too in these sources. I

843
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: was unaware of this specific issue. I think we support

844
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: the indigenous peoples that are are fighting for ecological justice here.

845
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: There was a point in the Rocky Mountain Outlook article

846
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: that you share where one of the one of the

847
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: boffins says, it's we're focused on this one chemical, but it's.

848
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 3: Bigger than that.

849
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, could you talk about that just a little bit.

850
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 2: Well, it's just the fact that there are a lot

851
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: of additives to the rubber and metal and stuff, all

852
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: the things that create what a modern tire is. And

853
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: a lot of those chemicals again, they all break down,

854
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: right because the rubber. If you've ever been to get

855
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: a check up on your tires, they check the depth

856
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: of your tire, and that is because it's physically wearing

857
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: down as that rubber hits the road and it doesn't

858
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: just go away or you know, dissipate into the atmosphere.

859
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: When that rubber goes away, it goes onto the streets

860
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Speaker 2: and it gets run off. And because again, a tire

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Speaker 2: is a complicated kind of cool thing, an invention that

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Speaker 2: humanity has created.

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Speaker 3: And it lasts a lot, you know, relatively long time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would say it's not like planned obsolescence,

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Speaker 3: Like no one has invented forever tires yet, right.

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Speaker 2: Correct, And you can rebuild those tires. There's a whole

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Speaker 2: there's a whole industry of basically replacing the outer layer

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Speaker 2: of a tire to continue its functionality. That's right, and

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Speaker 2: it's there are a lot of chemicals in there to

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Speaker 2: make it what it is. Most of them aren't great

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Speaker 2: for wildlife.

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Speaker 1: I mean that beautiful new car smell is also not

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Speaker 1: great for the people smelling it all. Like in that case,

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Speaker 1: it's VOCs, right, volatile organic chemicals. But this is perfect

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Speaker 1: strange news because this is something I would argue that

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Speaker 1: doesn't get the national mainstream attention that it really needs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, one of the I guess worst things

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Speaker 2: about that article. Oh no. It was from the Puget

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Speaker 2: Sound Institute and it was an article written in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, and it was covering the tire related chemicals

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Speaker 2: and how cohosam and are being affected, how the populations

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Speaker 2: are being affected, and how they had just basically these

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Speaker 2: groups had just worked their butts off to get the

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Speaker 2: co host salmon population back up, and they seem to

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00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: be thriving, and then all of a sudden, they're like, wait,

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Speaker 2: what the heck's happening now? And it turns out it

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Speaker 2: was this tire runoff somehow that was affecting specific areas

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Speaker 2: of where they travel when they go to reproduce. Check

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Speaker 2: out Huget Sound Institute dot org and the article titled

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Speaker 2: discovery of tire related chemical that kills co host Salmon

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Speaker 2: sparks widespread response from August twenty twenty one. Oh and

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Speaker 2: one last thing to check out Department of Ecology, State

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Speaker 2: of Washington. They've got a great article on here. It's

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Speaker 2: super short, but it explains pretty succinctly like what the

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Speaker 2: problem is and it uses a couple of infographics that

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Speaker 2: are very helpful.

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Speaker 1: And with that, folks, we cannot wait to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always for tuning in this evening. Several

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Speaker 1: of us are riding the highway right now on some

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00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: of those car tires. Tell us what you think about

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Speaker 1: the larger issue here, tell us what you think about

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00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: inn FT's and lasers non consensually in your eyes, and

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Speaker 1: of course, enjoy your chicken nuggets.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Can we hear about some heights on the listener

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Speaker 3: mail episode to follow this?

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Speaker 1: Oh, did we mention the heist on air? We did?

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Speaker 3: We did, did did, But we're at a time we

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00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 3: don't want to give a short shrift. So let's see, right.

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Speaker 3: We had a little bit of a preamble beginning to

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Speaker 3: this episode. But these are fun and to Matt's point,

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Speaker 3: off Mike, they're very evergreen.

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Speaker 1: Well we will see, yes, agreed and great catch Noel,

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Speaker 1: uh Samon jokes. Uh, so we are going to return

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Speaker 1: very soon. We want to thank everybody. We had a

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Speaker 1: run of classic episodes. Uh, several of us were on

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Speaker 1: the road. Recently we're back in the saddle or back

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Speaker 1: on our fish ladder, as they say. Uh, and we

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00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: can tend.

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00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: I too done.

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00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's a we're continually migrating to twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: I was on the road to Wellville.

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Speaker 1: There we go and we were, oh, guys, did you

923
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: see this weird like bowling jacket looking holding cow?

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Speaker 3: Where'd you get that? On the roads?

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Speaker 2: Join an organization, not a flashy We're starting with a

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Speaker 2: y it somewhere in there.

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Speaker 1: So so, speaking of joining organizations, we would love for

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Speaker 1: you to gather with us in the campfire around the

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Speaker 1: figurative darkness. We try to be easy to find online.

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Speaker 3: Correct to Mundy Mundo whatever. You can find this at

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Speaker 3: the handle conspiracy stuff, where we exist on x nay, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook,

932
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: where we have a group called Here's where it gets

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Speaker 3: Crazy that you can join if that's your thing. Also,

934
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Speaker 3: you can find it to the handle Conspiracy Stuff show

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Speaker 3: on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Hey, why not swim up the old phone lines and

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Speaker 2: spawn a voicemail call it. We are one eight three

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942
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,960
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