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Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the

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Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical doubt.

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Speaker 3: And so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the new show on Netflix called Live

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Speaker 3: to one hundred Secrets of the Blue Zones. It popped

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Speaker 3: up randomly in my Netflix feed and I thought I

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Speaker 3: would take a look. Basically, it's just a four part

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Speaker 3: series of a man who went to investigate different areas

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Speaker 3: of the world where there were a high percentage of

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Speaker 3: people that lived to over one hundred years old. Now,

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Speaker 3: I know we talk about the afterlife here, but I

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Speaker 3: do think one of the reasons we're interested in the

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Speaker 3: afterlife is to make sure that we go on. I

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Speaker 3: don't think any of us are ready to die, and

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Speaker 3: with that, I think comes maybe having a long life

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Speaker 3: while we're here. So I recommend it, I really do.

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Speaker 3: There's some basics from all of it that really hit

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Speaker 3: home with me. After this man traveled to the different places,

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Speaker 3: there were many, many reasons he thought people lived to

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Speaker 3: be over one hundred years old, And certainly one of

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Speaker 3: the most obvious is what people eat. So a lot

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Speaker 3: of people.

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Speaker 2: In the different areas of the world ate a lot

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Speaker 2: of natural foods, ate a lot of beans, not a

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Speaker 2: lot of processed food. A little bit of wine is

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Speaker 2: okay the Mediterranean diet. And another obvious one is physical activity.

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Speaker 2: It's not that people are exercising. They live and have

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Speaker 2: a lot of activity, whether they do like gardening, whether

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Speaker 2: wasn't so obvious to me is how much people need people.

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Speaker 2: In fact, people that end up going to retirement centers

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Speaker 2: have a six year shorter lifespan than those who have

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Speaker 2: family care for them. I live in America and I

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Speaker 2: alone with not much stimulation. Some group activities, yes, but

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Speaker 2: very rarely did family come visit them. I know other

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Speaker 2: countries are different, but this Netflix series showed me how

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Speaker 2: important it is that we take care of those we love.

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Speaker 2: And I'm lucky enough that I get to be with

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Speaker 2: so I'm lucky that way. There are places in the world,

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Speaker 2: like Singapore that encourage families to be together, even give

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Speaker 2: government grants give them money in order to look after

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Speaker 2: their loved ones. So caring for family that's a big one.

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Speaker 2: Another one was having a reason to live, having something

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Speaker 2: often they give up their will to live because they

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Speaker 2: purpose as a human. Loneliness can kill us. Important that

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Speaker 2: we stay connected. I know it's difficult. I know there

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Speaker 2: the free Sunday gathering at two o'clock New York time,

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Speaker 2: go to we Don't Die dot com right there on

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Speaker 2: the top of the page, you'll see Facebook group. Come

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Speaker 2: if they have experienced a loved one passing who could

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Speaker 2: they are having true to life visitations technically their dreams.

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Speaker 2: Even if people are loaded with medication, and you may

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Speaker 2: We have work to do while we're here on planet Earth.

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Speaker 2: some of these stories. Gloria says, my mom saw her

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Speaker 2: five siblings and her two parents before she transitioned. Sue says,

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Speaker 2: She didn't want to die. She was still a young

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Speaker 2: So yes, I can confirm these things definitely happen. Kay says,

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Speaker 5: And now here's more Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 2: and I'm reading to you some of your fellow listeners

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Speaker 2: couple of words from a doctor, Christopher Kerr, who wrote

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Speaker 2: the book Death Is But a Dream Hospice doctor he is.

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Speaker 2: He says, what seems to happen is that there's a

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Speaker 2: progression when seeing these people, it lessens the fear of death.

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Speaker 2: The stories are just remarkable. Even the ones that seem

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Speaker 2: negative are probably late the most transformational or meaningful. Somebody,

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Speaker 2: he was comforted by seeing soldiers that he felt survivor's

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Speaker 2: What is also fascinating is who is in the dreams

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Speaker 2: and far and away It was the people who loved

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Speaker 2: You could be ninety five years old, but it could

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Speaker 2: old that you hear. It's really quite profound, So let

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Speaker 2: and this is more of a shared death experience, one

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Speaker 2: of the precognitive dreams. She says. I grew up in

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Speaker 2: neighbor mister Anderson, would tell tell all of the neighborhood

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Speaker 2: Hi. This is Wuija board expert Karen A. Dolman, and

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Speaker 1: And now back to Sandra Champlain and Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: You and I are each on our own spiritual journeys.

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Speaker 2: We are discovering what makes sense, what we believe in.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we've had some signs. Personally, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: learn from people who have had them. It's also nice

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Speaker 2: it very comforting in our time together. I can't tell

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Speaker 2: you can read thousands of stories. Go to YouTube. Type

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Speaker 2: in death bed visions, and so many people have posted

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Speaker 2: I want to recommend you type in hospice nurse and

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Speaker 2: nurses have their own YouTube channel. Part of what they

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Speaker 2: talk about are these deathbed visions. Also, they talk about

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00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: terminal lucidity, when people can be bright eyed and seem

437
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: like they're coming back to life, only to pass moments later.

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Speaker 2: They have incredible stories, but not just about the these topics,

439
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: but they can rest your mind about the dying process.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm on my journey too. I have

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Speaker 2: not fully embraced and discovered so much of what these

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Speaker 2: hospice nurses have to say. But I think with anything,

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Speaker 2: before going on a journey, we're going to prepare ourselves.

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00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: We might get a guidebook on the area, what to expect.

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00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: We will have booked our plane tickets, we will have

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00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: packed our bags. There's preparation to be done. When we

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Speaker 2: listen to these hospice nurses who all share similar stories

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00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: of the dying process, I think if we make ourselves

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00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: comfortable with it, there won't be any surprises and the

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Speaker 2: fear will be lessened. I think it's normal to fear,

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Speaker 2: But if we have a loved one show up, how

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Speaker 2: great would that be? On our last episode together, I

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00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: was sharing about a book and children's near death experiences,

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Speaker 2: and the author, also a doctor, said that so many

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Speaker 2: of the narcotics that are used to comfort people around

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Speaker 2: the time of death takes away their memories, their short

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Speaker 2: term memories. So it's possible your loved one may have

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Speaker 2: experienced these things, or maybe a little too drugged up

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Speaker 2: to experience it. But with the thousands of accounts that

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Speaker 2: I know of of people being by the bedside of

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Speaker 2: a loved one, and having them see into heaven. There's

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Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind, each and every one of

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Speaker 2: us is supported. So sometime go check out hospice nurse

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Speaker 2: Julie Penny Hadley, or search for deathbed vision stories, and

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Speaker 2: like I said, read the comments, because there is where

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Speaker 2: you're going to find so many. So let me continue

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Speaker 2: with some stories for you. Tarnia said, my dad was

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Speaker 2: a healthy eighty three year old. In October twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 2: I had a dream he was going to pass over.

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Speaker 2: Two nights later, I had the exact same dream. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know a time frame, but I told my mom

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Speaker 2: about the dream, and I thought it was some kind

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Speaker 2: of a warning of his passing. I felt like he

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Speaker 2: would not make it to Christmas, which was some nine

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Speaker 2: weeks away. He passed of a massive heart attack in

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Speaker 2: my mom's arms on a Saturday morning during breakfast. Six

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Speaker 2: weeks later. He then visited me in my dreams a

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Speaker 2: week later before his funeral and said he was in

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Speaker 2: no pain and he was at peace. He told me

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Speaker 2: he loved me and now my husband would look after

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Speaker 2: mom and me and my sister. I did not tell anyone,

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Speaker 2: as the next day I was busy preparing for the funeral.

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Speaker 2: After the funeral, my husband told me that mine dad

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Speaker 2: had also visited him in his dreams the night before

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Speaker 2: and told him that it was now his job to

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Speaker 2: look after his girls. My husband waited to tell me

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Speaker 2: until after the funeral because he did not want to

488
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: upset me. Dad had come to reassure both of us

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Speaker 2: that he was okay. This story is from b My

490
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: daughter had a high school friend whose mother was terminal.

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Speaker 2: She was in the living room by herself and was

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Speaker 2: overheard talking to someone. Her husband came in the room

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Speaker 2: and asked who she was talking to. She responded, I

494
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: was talking to my dad who was deceased. He's coming

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Speaker 2: to get me, and she passed the following day. Betty says,

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Speaker 2: my husband died in twenty eighteen after a three weeks

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Speaker 2: stay in the hospital unconscious. On the Wednesday before he died,

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00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: he was awake and told me he had seen so

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Speaker 2: many of his family members. I didn't say much because

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Speaker 2: I thought he had been dreaming. Now I understand that

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00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: he actually did see them. He was so happy it

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Speaker 2: brought him joy. He remained lucid until I got home

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Speaker 2: on a Friday, and then he passed on the bathroom

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Speaker 2: floor on the Saturday night. Now I understand it is

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Speaker 2: what they call rallying before the end of life, and

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00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: I do believe he saw his relatives. Now I wish

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Speaker 2: that I asked him who he saw. And this is

508
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: from MJ. My husband's grandmother was in the hospital after

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Speaker 2: a fall. By all accounts, she appeared to be.

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Speaker 4: On the mend.

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Speaker 2: One day, my husband walked into her room and asked

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Speaker 2: how she was. She said, great. Ronnie came to visit

513
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Speaker 2: me last night and we had a nice conversation. Ronnie

514
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: died twenty years earlier. My husband's grandmother died three days later.

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Speaker 2: I believe these things and I know they are designed

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Speaker 2: to bring peace for the dying and hope the living.

517
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: And from Linda. My dad passed away a little more

518
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Speaker 2: than a year ago at the age of ninety seven.

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Speaker 2: The morning of his last day, his caregiver heard him

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Speaker 2: talking to someone. She asked him who it was. He

521
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: said he was talking to his sister that had passed

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Speaker 2: away at the age of one hundred a few months before.

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Speaker 2: His sister was older than my father, but she had

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Speaker 2: adored him and had taken care of him when he

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Speaker 2: was young. He died that evening, and I have to

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Speaker 2: tell you I was so comforted knowing my dad's big

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Speaker 2: sister had come to get him. Here's another story. My

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Speaker 2: friend Ruth, aged one hundred and one, in her deathbed,

529
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Speaker 2: was fading in and out of consciousness while smiling excitedly

530
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Speaker 2: and happily, telling me I'm going home. I'm going home.

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Speaker 2: They're taking me home. And I asked her, who is

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00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: taking you home? She didn't answer. She looked at me,

533
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: matter of fact, as though I was asking a silly

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Speaker 2: question and I should know who it was. Dee says

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00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: my mother, grandmother, and great grandmother all had visions of

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Speaker 2: a deceased family member coming to see them before they

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00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: passed away, and each of them said that a family

538
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: member all different was coming to get them and take

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00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: them back home. Verna said, my brother, dying of cancer,

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00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: saw my late father waving to him from a street

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Speaker 2: corner while riding in a car. His wife dismissed it,

542
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: saying it was a hallucination. During the night, he woke

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Speaker 2: his wife up to tell her that our dad was

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Speaker 2: standing at the foot of the bed smiling at him.

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Speaker 2: She told him go back to sleep. The next morning

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00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: he died and his wife understood that our dad was

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00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: coming to take my brother Jimmy home. Here's another story

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Speaker 2: from a lady. I was my mother's caretaker when she

549
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: was at the end of her life in the last

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00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: nine weeks she was in the hospital, and it was

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00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: the most amazing experience I could have ever had. What

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00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: she saw those last nine weeks of her life were

553
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Speaker 2: her family, even her beloved pet who had died many

554
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: years before, and even saw heaven and told me what

555
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: it looked like before she passed away. She kept saying

556
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: how sweet it smelled, and she had never smelled anything

557
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: so fragrant. She kept talking about the flowers and the

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Speaker 2: waterfalls that were so beautiful. Butch says, a good friend

559
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: of mine's brother died of leukemia when he was only

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00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: seven years old. On the day he died, he asked

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00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: several times who the nice man sitting in the corner

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: of the room was. The man was seen by no

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Speaker 2: one else. He died peacefully and with a smile. Reg says,

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00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: my dad passed away last January at the age of

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Speaker 2: eighty five. He died peacefully in his sleep. I was

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Speaker 2: actually with him the moment he died. His oxygen level

567
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: was slowly dropping. I tried to wake him up a

568
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: few times, but he wouldn't wake up. I finally just

569
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: told him not to worry about us, that he could go.

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00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: A few years before that, he had lost two of

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00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: his older sisters within four months apart. As Dad was dying,

572
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: he started seeing his own dad, my grandpa, sometimes even

573
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: calling his name out. He'd tell us that he was

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00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: also seeing his older sisters who had passed away. Sometimes

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00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: he'd point to a corner of the room and say

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Speaker 2: that Dad was standing there and telling him that he's

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Speaker 2: doing good, but he would be with them soon. And

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00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: hasn't been a year yet since my father died. I

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00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: still miss him, but I know he's not alone. And

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00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: this is from Ray. When my dad left, he looked

581
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: at me, his eldest son, and said, your mother is

582
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: here for me. Can I go? I said, I don't

583
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: want you to go, but if mom is here, I

584
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: will see you both. Later, Dad closed his eyes and

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00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,479
Speaker 2: stopped breathing. May all of us be lucky to leave

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: this world like that. And from Karen. A few weeks

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00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: before my mom died, she was bedbound, but she was

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00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: at a party, drinking champagne and eating chicken. She was

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00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: laughing it up with all kinds of people having a

590
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: great time. I thought it was really weird, but she

591
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: was happy. She just kept making gestures of eating and drinking.

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00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: She was telling these invisible people all about herself and

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Speaker 2: her life. Later in the day, when the deacon came

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00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: to visit, Mom introduced him to these people, my uncle,

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Speaker 2: my mom's brother who died years earlier, and others. Mom

596
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: had a peaceful transition and died at home just as

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Speaker 2: she wanted to, with me, my brother, and sister by

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Speaker 2: her side, supported by hospice. It was beautiful, although very

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Speaker 2: painful to say goodbye to her. Death and grief are painful,

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Speaker 2: but we will see them again. So let's go into

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Speaker 2: our last break and we'll be back. You're listening to

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Speaker 6: Sandras starts right.

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Speaker 7: Now, Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sander Champlain. I wanted to close this episode with

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Speaker 2: some really powerful words, but no one can say it

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Speaker 2: better than doctor Martha Joe Atkins. She's the author of

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Speaker 2: the book sign Posts of Dying, and she does end

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Speaker 2: of life mentoring and so much more. You can find

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Speaker 2: out more about her at Martha Joeatkins dot com. Here

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Speaker 2: she is.

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Speaker 6: I'd like for you all to transport in time with me.

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Speaker 6: We're going to go back to nineteen thirty two. My

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Speaker 6: mother went with her family to a house in nineteen

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Speaker 6: thirty two, and she told me about going up the stairs,

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Speaker 6: taking a little break to the right, and there was

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Speaker 6: a room there, there were flowers, there were people talking.

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Speaker 6: She was little, so she's looking up at everybody. And

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Speaker 6: the dearly departed was there, laid out on a chair

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Speaker 6: between two boards between Well, he wasn't that big one

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Speaker 6: board two chairs. How many of you have seen something

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Speaker 6: like that? Yes, if you're of a certain age, perhaps

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Speaker 6: we've taken death out of the home. And when we

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Speaker 6: took death out of the home, we stop learning about

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Speaker 6: dying and what to do about it. And when we

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Speaker 6: stop learning how to do something or what to do,

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Speaker 6: we get scared. And when we get scared of something,

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Speaker 6: very often we stop talking about it. So we have

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Speaker 6: in this country we don't talk about death and dying

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Speaker 6: very often. I'm a death educator and a death researcher,

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Speaker 6: and that makes me a little crazy. So we're going

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Speaker 6: to talk about death and dying today. I want to

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Speaker 6: tell us start by telling you about my mother. My

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Speaker 6: mother opted to go on hospice in two thousand and five,

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Speaker 6: and she and I had a lot of frank conversations.

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Speaker 6: I said to her one afternoon, Mom, you may have

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Speaker 6: some visitors when it's your time to go. You may

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Speaker 6: have angels or family members. I don't know who's going

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Speaker 6: to show up, but somebody may show up. Will you

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Speaker 6: tell me if somebody comes. And she's walking down the

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Speaker 6: hall and she looks over her shoulder and she said,

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Speaker 6: it depends on who it is. I said, okay, I

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Speaker 6: have no idea what that means. Four months later, she

651
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Speaker 6: was in the hospital bed in the living room at

652
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Speaker 6: her house and her eyes were closed and I was

653
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 6: watching her track something underneath her eyelids, and I said, Mom,

654
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Speaker 6: what do you see? She said, Daddy, Charlie, grandmother, mother

655
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Speaker 6: and daddy, uncle Claude, nat Lala.

656
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Speaker 4: She has a beautiful smiler face. I said, where are they?

657
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: Walking up the road from the farmhouse.

658
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Speaker 6: My brother Jim had been gone about thirteen years. He

659
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Speaker 6: had died some thirteen years before, and I expected him

660
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Speaker 6: to be there. I'd had a dream that he was

661
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 6: sitting in a chair, his legs crossed, reading a book.

662
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Speaker 6: So I said, Mom, where's Jim.

663
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Speaker 4: Oh, he's been right here.

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Speaker 6: The night she died. My mom was reaching up towards

665
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Speaker 6: something I couldn't see. And I didn't know then that

666
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 6: that was part of a deathbed phenomenon until I began

667
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Speaker 6: my research. And here's some other things I learned. For

668
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 6: six centuries, anecdotal accounts and a little bit of research

669
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 6: have detailed the auditory, visual, and tactle experiences of those

670
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Speaker 6: nearing death. Most often, people are met by friends or

671
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 6: family members. The purpose seems to be to help the

672
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 6: dying person with the death experience, and most often these

673
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 6: visions are comforting. People see angels, people see religious entities

674
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 6: that are important to them, People see landscapes, people hear music,

675
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Speaker 6: kids have kid friendly visions.

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Speaker 4: There was a pediatric hospice.

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Speaker 6: Here in San Antonio in the eighties, and the story

678
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 6: went that there was a boy there that was dying.

679
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 6: He was complaining to the nurse about the noise in

680
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Speaker 6: the corner, the noisy boys in the corner, and the

681
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 6: nurse looked over and there was anybody, And she said,

682
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 6: who's there? And he named off three names of three

683
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 6: kids who had been at that hospice before he got there.

684
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 6: These experiences happen all over the world, all religion, all cultures,

685
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 6: all ages. They happen to people who are blind, they

686
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 6: happen to people who are deaf. Some researchers say this

687
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 6: is the limbic system going crazy. These are purely hallucinations.

688
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 6: These are embedded memories of a lifetime that are coming out.

689
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Speaker 6: Others say this is proof of the soul's existence after death.

690
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Speaker 6: And my conjecture is this, it doesn't matter. It doesn't

691
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 6: matter why they happen, it matters that they do. In

692
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Speaker 6: my research, I talked with people who were at the

693
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Speaker 6: bedside when somebody was dying. One wife said to me

694
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Speaker 6: she was talking to her husband one afternoon and said,

695
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 6: do you ever see anybody or hear anybody. She said,

696
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 6: in her estimation, he was completely lucid. He had had

697
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Speaker 6: a little bit of pain medication.

698
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: He was doing a.

699
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Speaker 6: Saduco puzzle and he said, Yeah, there's a soldier that

700
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 6: comes and stands by my bed at night and keeps

701
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 6: me company. And there's a dog that comes comes in

702
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 6: and lays by my feet in the afternoon. And he

703
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 6: went on to describe a beloved family pet that had

704
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 6: been theirs early in their marriage. Witnesses in my research

705
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 6: talked about how they saw something happening and they knew

706
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 6: they didn't need to do anything about it. So when

707
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 6: Missus Harrison walked in and saw mister Harrison talking to somebody,

708
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 6: she was a little perplexed, but she asked him about it.

709
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Speaker 6: He was terrified to die. He had been horribly abused

710
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 6: as a child, terrified to die, afraid his family was

711
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 6: going to come. Instead, on the scene came this seven

712
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 6: year old boy named Jimmy. Missus Harrison said she went

713
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 6: with it. She said, I really didn't know what else

714
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 6: to do. I just went with it. And Jimmy stayed

715
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Speaker 6: with mister Harrison the last two weeks of his life.

716
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Speaker 6: And kept him company and helped his transition be an

717
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 6: easier one as he left this world. Witnesses talked about

718
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Speaker 6: how they recognized that the phenomenon that were happening were

719
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 6: signs that death was near, even when experts said that

720
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Speaker 6: wasn't the case. They saw the signs, and they knew

721
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Speaker 6: the difference between hallucinations and visions. So hallucinations for them

722
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 6: didn't have any kind of context and were frightening, anxiety provoking,

723
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Speaker 6: versus the visions, which did have a context and brought

724
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Speaker 6: great comfort. When I work with families now, I tell

725
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Speaker 6: them your person may see things you can't see. They

726
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 6: may hear things you can't see. They may reach up

727
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 6: to the sky, they may look through you. They may

728
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 6: talk in metaphors about moving or leaving or going even

729
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 6: though they're bed found they need their shoes, or they

730
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 6: need their map, or they need their purse, or they

731
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 6: need to get to the stadium.

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Speaker 4: They got to get somewhere.

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Speaker 6: One mom said, just before her three year old died,

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Speaker 6: he said, Daddy.

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00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: The trains here. I've got to go now.

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Speaker 6: For that mom and for other folks in my research,

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00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 6: these visions, these deathbed.

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Speaker 4: Phenomenon were of great comfort to them.

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Speaker 6: When we educate families about these experiences, and when we

740
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 6: educate the patient about these experiences, there's less fear, and

741
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 6: my goodness, we need less fear around that than nine.

742
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Speaker 6: I had the opportunity to work with a family named Butch,

743
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 6: which was ninety four. He had congestive heart failure and

744
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 6: he decided he needed to go on hospice.

745
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: He was ready.

746
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Speaker 6: I got a text one afternoon from his daughter that

747
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: the visions had started and everything was okay. His daughter

748
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 6: talked about how Butch was often in the other room

749
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 6: and this is the language she used for him being

750
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 6: there talking with the unseens versus over here talking to

751
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 6: the daughter and the other people who were in the room.

752
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 6: And he was often in the other room. So one afternoon,

753
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Speaker 6: I forgot to say, which was a pretty famous rugby

754
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 6: players South Africa in his day. So one afternoon in

755
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 6: the other room, the rugby team came to visit Butch.

756
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 6: Now his family had also come, his parents had come,

757
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 6: his brothers and sisters. But there's the rugby team. The

758
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 6: rugby team had come in on really long ladders, came down,

759
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 6: stayed with them. They had a really big party, and

760
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 6: then the rugby team left. They left shorter ladders, and

761
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 6: Butch was ticked because the ladders were too short and

762
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 6: he couldn't get up to where they were. Another day,

763
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 6: he was ticked off because his suitcase was packed and

764
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 6: he was ready.

765
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: To go, and they left without him.

766
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Speaker 6: Another day, he held out his hand and he said

767
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 6: to his daughter, I've got these machine parts.

768
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 4: I don't want to lose them. This is a very.

769
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 6: Common metaphor for the dying. There's some bigger whole picture

770
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 6: and their pieces missing, and they've got to make sure

771
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 6: it's whole. He's got these parts in his hand. She

772
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 6: went and got a ziplock.

773
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Speaker 4: Let me tell you why.

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00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 6: I love that, because more often than not, people reach

775
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 6: for medication to quell something they don't understand, and they

776
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 6: miss an opportunity connect with the person. They miss an

777
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 6: opportunity to meet the dying person where they are. She

778
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 6: didn't miss it. Is any of this real? I say yes, Yes,

779
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 6: it's real, because it's real.

780
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: To the people it happens too.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how to measure those things that are

782
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 6: beyond our ordinary human capacity for understanding. I'm a researcher.

783
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 6: I don't know how to measure wonder I know what

784
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 6: it feels like. I do know what it feels like,

785
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 6: and I know I feel great comfort myself when I

786
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 6: think that my mom didn't leave this world by herself,

787
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 6: and the boy got to go on that train, and

788
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 6: Butch had his buddies around before he left.

789
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 4: When I meet.

790
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 6: People at parties for the first time, think how.

791
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: Much fun that is? What do you do for lous?

792
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 6: So I meet them and this happens, it is gosh,

793
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 6: that's really nice.

794
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go get a drink and I.

795
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 6: Never see them again, or something happens like happened at

796
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 6: lunch today. Let me tell you a story I've been

797
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 6: scared to tell anybody because I didn't want anybody to

798
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 6: think I was crazy. And I say, my goodness, I

799
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 6: want to hear your story. Please tell me your story.

800
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 6: It's these stories, yours and mine, that are going to

801
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 6: bring comfort and hope and calm as we help the

802
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 6: ones we love leave this world and as.

803
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: It is our own time to go.

804
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Speaker 6: So, if you have had a deathbed vision experience, a

805
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 6: witness experience with somebody you love, would you raise your hand?

806
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Speaker 4: Okay?

807
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Speaker 6: I would like for you in the next forty eight

808
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Speaker 6: hours to tell somebody about that. The more we tell

809
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 6: our stories, the more we're going to eradicate this fear.

810
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 6: And it's really important. Steve Jobs said six words before

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Speaker 6: he died October fifth, twenty eleven. He died, I want

812
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 6: to invite you to engage in your own sense of wonder.

813
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Speaker 6: As I leave you today, mine's wide open with Steve

814
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 6: Job's last words. Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you Martha Joe Atkins, My friends.

816
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Speaker 2: It is very powerful these visions that we have. It

817
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Speaker 2: takes away the fear of dying. And as Martha Joe said, share.

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Speaker 2: It's great that we have this show together, but to

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Speaker 2: be able to share and engage people in conversations like hey,

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Speaker 2: you ever hear of deathbad visions? These are just some

821
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Speaker 2: of the stories I've just heard, and let people tell

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Speaker 2: their stories. We need each other to really believe in

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00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: this message. I want all of us to lose the

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Speaker 2: fear of dying, know our loved ones are around and

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Speaker 2: be able to have a powerful life. Some brief announcements.

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Speaker 2: empowers you, but most importantly, share your story, keep learning,

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