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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Emily Abadi here, you are listening to another

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Speaker 2: installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle.

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Speaker 3: A wellness focused podcast.

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Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts

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Speaker 2: and industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and

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Speaker 2: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,

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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you

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Speaker 2: you can stride towards your own big potential and of

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Speaker 2: course have some fun along the way. For today's episode,

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Speaker 2: I am bringing back Less Alfred. She is the host

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Speaker 2: of the Balanced Black Girl podcast. She's also a yogi

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Speaker 2: and I loved having her on so much for round

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Speaker 2: over Unbalanced Black Girl, and I just love it so

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are actually chatting not only about money,

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Speaker 2: A huge thank you, too, Less for giving me her

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Speaker 2: time for prioritizing this.

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Speaker 2: tonight's Safety in Numbers event. If you're local to New York,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see you there. And then, also,

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Speaker 4: How you doing today? Hello, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: Then let's bring this back to the concept of values.

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Speaker 2: When you did this exercise and you start to think

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so many things I think about, Like

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Speaker 1: When you're able to, you know, thinking kind of along

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Speaker 3: The things in our lives that we don't value.

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: and eighty slide deck and do all of this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Basically, thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: After this giant day long presentation I'm supposed to be

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Speaker 1: giving starts, we had an emergency with a supplier. All

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Speaker 1: the leaders who said for weeks that this was such

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Speaker 1: a big deal got totally distracted, pulled out of the room,

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Speaker 1: and bye bye went this presentation that I was stressing

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Speaker 1: about for weeks. And that gave me so much perspective

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Speaker 1: and really gave me an attitude of like, most of

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Speaker 1: what we do is made up because authorities can change

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Speaker 1: at a whim. And so that really helped me, especially

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Speaker 1: in the workplace, realized that other people's priorities don't have

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Speaker 1: to sway how I feel. What other people display a

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Speaker 1: sense of urgency about does not have to display a

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Speaker 1: sense of urgency in me. I decide what's urgent to

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Speaker 1: me and I can and then moving forward, take a

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Speaker 1: lot of these situations with a grain of salt, which

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Speaker 1: I've since done. Maybe it doesn't make me like the

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Speaker 1: most stellar employee, but it helps me keep my sanity,

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Speaker 1: and I feel a lot less stressed when things pop

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Speaker 1: up at work because I'm like, yeah, and when the

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Speaker 1: next priority comes up and this no longer matters, it's fine.

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Speaker 1: So I think we can just remember that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the sense of urgency that we feel is often

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Speaker 1: manufactured by other people, and that we get to decide

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Speaker 1: what is urgent to us.

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Speaker 2: And that's totally such a reminder or like a lesson

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Speaker 2: that yes, it's okay to be frustrated in that moment,

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Speaker 2: but now you moved forward with that knowledge, so it

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Speaker 2: wasn't a failure, so to speak. It was an opportunity

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Speaker 2: for you to gain a better understanding of how you

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Speaker 2: would work in that situation and now shift your perspective

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Speaker 2: going forward, to have this beautiful lesson about time management

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Speaker 2: and to know all of this about urgency.

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Speaker 1: Exactly like the things that we stress about, they don't

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Speaker 1: have to be stressful because they just don't that much.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean don't do them, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean don't do a good job, but it just means

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Speaker 1: don't get your blood.

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Speaker 2: Pressure up over it, don't get your blood pressure up

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Speaker 2: over it, just don't do it. I'm just thinking of

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Speaker 2: the person really that is having an issue with, like

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Speaker 2: getting out of the hustle mindset, is getting out of

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Speaker 2: the place where they are, Like, but if I don't

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Speaker 2: think about how I feel and just focus, focus, focus,

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Speaker 2: What advice do you have for that person about accepting

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Speaker 2: this idea of having a little bit more grace and

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Speaker 2: being a little bit more flexible with their time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's about understanding what your why is.

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Speaker 1: So usually when people are very goal oriented or very

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Speaker 1: money oriented, it's because they want something that money gives them. Right, obviously,

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Speaker 1: money is currency, it has that value. But for a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, money can create spaciousness when you can

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Speaker 1: afford to get help with things that can create more

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Speaker 1: time for you, or it creates a sense of security,

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Speaker 1: or it creates it's a sense of fulfillment. So I

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Speaker 1: think it's about understanding what is it that you're seeking.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that I've had a lot of reflection

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Speaker 1: over where I've had to think, actually, I'm doing all

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Speaker 1: of this because I want to work less. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: all of this because I also want to be able

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Speaker 1: to enjoy the fruits of my labor. So if it's

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Speaker 1: all labor, when am I actually getting to enjoy what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it for. And that's when the bottom line

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter as much when you're not getting what it

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Speaker 1: is you want out of it. So I think really

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Speaker 1: remembering your why and saying, okay are my actions and

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Speaker 1: is what I'm getting out of this? Is that in

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Speaker 1: alignment with my why? And if not, maybe it's time

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Speaker 1: to adjust my priorities.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, that was good.

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Speaker 2: That's just like I mean, because really, what are you

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Speaker 2: doing and what are you doing it for? Right? And

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Speaker 2: it's like you said, that's truly what it comes down

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Speaker 2: to if you are working, working, working, and you're doing

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Speaker 2: it thinking like forty deers down the road, Like do

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Speaker 2: you really want to spend in the next forty years

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Speaker 2: in this place of like not really loving your life

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Speaker 2: just to forty years from now get there?

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Speaker 3: I'm not really sure if that's my moo.

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Speaker 1: Totally and you can do both. I think you can

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Speaker 1: be abundant and enjoy your life. It doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: be this super sacrificial either or thing all the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So before I let you go today, you said

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Speaker 2: at the top of this that you are kind of

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Speaker 2: in that what's next phase you're thinking about now that

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Speaker 2: you have really handled a lot of personal debt, like

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Speaker 2: what you want to do, how you want to make

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Speaker 2: your money work for you. I would be remiss if

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask you just a little bit about how

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Speaker 2: you are making your money work for you these days.

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Speaker 2: I think we have a lot of people listening to

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Speaker 2: us chat right now that are probably in the same boat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is kind of related

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Speaker 1: to what we were just talking about. Where I'm looking at, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've worked really hard and I've made some decisions that

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Speaker 1: gotten me to a good point. Why did I do that?

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Speaker 1: What did I do that for? Did I do that

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Speaker 1: just to hoard it and hold on to it, or

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Speaker 1: did I do that so that I could afford experiences

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Speaker 1: and so that I can bring in maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit more help in my business so that I don't

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Speaker 1: have to do everything. Or did I do it so

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Speaker 1: that I could feel comfortable booking a nice trip and

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Speaker 1: sharing an experience with my family? So for me, a

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Speaker 1: lot of it has been around one, what are the

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Speaker 1: experiences that I want to have and how can I

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Speaker 1: prioritize that now that I can afford more of them?

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Speaker 1: And two, how can I be a little bit more

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Speaker 1: forward looking and looking at the ways that I want

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Speaker 1: to build in the future. So part of it has

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Speaker 1: been like loosening up my frugality, which I am a

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Speaker 1: chronically frugal person, and learning to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: less frugal has actually been a journey that I'm still on.

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Speaker 1: So that's part of it, so that I can enjoy

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Speaker 1: my life more. And then the other part is looking

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Speaker 1: at investments. Okay, if I have assets, how can I

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Speaker 1: grow them a little bit more? And so that's been

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Speaker 1: a really big priority for me this year as I've

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Speaker 1: paid off debt and moved some things around. So I'm

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Speaker 1: figuring out the balance, no pun intended of enjoying my

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Speaker 1: life now and setting myself up for the future, and

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Speaker 1: now that I have the space to do so.

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Speaker 3: We love it.

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Speaker 2: We love at least trying to find the balance for sure. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we are not the only two people that are thinking

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Speaker 2: about this. So many people are concerned and trying to

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Speaker 2: wise up on spending, especially also as a woman in

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Speaker 2: my thirties, I'm trying to think about what's next. And

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Speaker 2: I think that this is all such good content. So

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Speaker 2: where do the hurdlers find you? How do they follow

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Speaker 2: along with you so that they can get more money

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Speaker 2: content as you chat about in your Money in Abundance

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Speaker 2: series on Balanced Black Girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, new episodes of Balance Black Girl drop every Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: So whatever podcast app that you're listening to Hurdle on,

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Speaker 1: you can also find Balanced Black Girl. I'll add it

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Speaker 1: to your rotation and I drop new episodes every week

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Speaker 1: amazing And on Insta Insta, I'm at Balanced.

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Speaker 2: Less Perfect, I'm over at Emily Body and at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys next time