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And if you don't believe that, 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: it is very hard to actually bridge that gap and 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: get there. 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 4: Thank you. 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration, 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: or a fresh perspective. If you have any alha moment 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: or appreciate anything from this episode, please leave us a 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: review to let us know we're on the right track. 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We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Bussard, a 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: college professor and psychologist. 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 4: In a world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 4: please join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: from five roids to fake friends, and create a safe 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: space where black women can just be. 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 5: Hey, lady, it's Terry here from Cultivating her Space. Are 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 5: you tired of working hard for your money? Do you 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 5: want your business to run smoothly when you're out of office? 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 5: If you want to learn how to automate your business 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 5: cash flow and increase your impact and influence, join me 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 5: from our free workshop at Brand with Terry dot Com. Again, 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 5: that's Brand with Terry dot Com. My name is Belle 40 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 5: Te DOUBLERI I hope to see you there, lady. 41 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 4: All right, lady, today we have a very special guest 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 4: in Cultivating her Space. We are so excited and I 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: do want to say don and I kind of got 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: distracted when we looked up this guest on social media 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: because she flies Hell, Okay, her outfits are do people 46 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: still say on fleek? I don't know her office is 47 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 4: are fly'll so just go check our social media out. 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 4: This is going to be a bomb interview, so get ready, 49 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 4: all right. Kimberly B. Cummings is a leading career and 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: leadership development expert and an accomplished speaker and podcast host 51 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 4: whose mission is to empower women and people of color 52 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: in the workplace. Personal and professional development company Manifest Yourself 53 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 4: LLC provides in person and virtual workshops, trainings, and coaching 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 4: to professionals looking to lead a dynamic career and life. 55 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: Kimberly has had the opportunity to speak and create workshops 56 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 4: for many organizations, including the New Jersey Conference for Women, 57 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: Elevate Network, Urban League, Princeton University, National Sales Network, and 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 4: south By Southwest, among others. She's also on the board 59 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: of directors for the Power of You Teams organization. Next 60 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: Move Best Move Transitioning into a Career You'll Love is 61 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: her first book. You can find more information about Kimberly 62 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: online at Kimberlybecomings dot com. Kimberly Welcome to Cultivating her Space. 63 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I feel like 64 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: this is going to be a vibe today. I can 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: just feel it. 66 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: Oh definitely, Yes, we feel it too. 67 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: We are looking forward to this and. 68 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: So I will start us off with our quote of 69 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: the day. Now, Kimberly, you know you post some pretty 70 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: prolific things on Twitter, so I know you'll recognize this, 71 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: and I will say I had a hard time choosing 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: because again, it's these career affirmations that you post, Lady, 73 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: as you're listening, I need you to go to kimberly 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: Comings Twitter page and just soak on, just soak in 75 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: those career affirmations. So here is our quote of the day. 76 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: I am capable of bridging the gap between where I 77 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: am and where I. 78 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: Want to be. That's one of my faves. 79 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm glad that it's one of your faves 80 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: because it was one of my faves too, and I 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: felt that it was so fitting for the conversation that 82 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: we want to have today. So we're is going to 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: jump right in and Kimberly tells why that particular affirmation 84 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: is one of your fas. 85 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: So one of the biggest things in your career when 86 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: you're looking to level up to the next level, and all, honestly, 87 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: career end life in general, is that you have to 88 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: believe that you are capable of actually making that move. 89 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: If you don't believe that you're capable of bridging that gap, 90 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: because with any goal that we have, it's like I 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: explained that we are here right now, to the left right, 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: you are in this state. This is your current state 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: of who you are, what you want, and when you 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 3: have a goal, it's moving yourself to this other phase 95 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: to the right, like you are not that thing to 96 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: the right, and there's this gap in between. You have 97 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: to feel and know that you are capable of bridging 98 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: that gap, of doing the thing to get you to 99 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: your ideal state. And if you don't believe that, it 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: is very hard to actually bridge that gap and get there. 101 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: You usually stated, and I feel like I ask some 102 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: questions about that, But first we want to know about 103 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 4: your origin story, like what even got you started into 104 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: this world of career and personal professional development, And then 105 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: we'll circle back around to ask questions about that get 106 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: that you just talked about. 107 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: Gosh, I haven't been asked that question what is your 108 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: origin story specifically? Ever, So, when I saw that I 109 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, how do I answer this? I think 110 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: that I'm someone who's always been obsessed with personal professional 111 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: development period. I always want to figure out how to 112 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: do the thing. This morning, I was listening to a 113 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: podcast by Ed Milett and it was called oh Gosh, 114 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: what was it called? He had Tim Glover as a guest, 115 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: and it was called like winning is Everything. That's what 116 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: it was called, Winning is Everything. And I really related 117 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 3: to that podcast because I'm someone where my friends have 118 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: told me for years like it's all right, relax, you're 119 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: good right now, You're doing enough, and I'm like, no, no, nna, 120 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 3: Like that's how I always am. I want to get 121 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: to the next thing. Tim broke down that there's like 122 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: three segments when you're thinking about winning. It's like someone 123 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: who they're just happy they competed, right, they competed, they 124 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: were there. That is the accomplishment. And none of these 125 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: are wrong, So no shade to anyone. Depending upon what 126 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: category you're at, soh Number one is like you're competing, 127 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: you are at the race. Number two is that you 128 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: won one time and that was it. You won one time? 129 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: You know, that is your story? Like you don't need 130 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: anything else. It's like you wanted to run the marathon 131 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: and you showed up and you did it. You won 132 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: the marathon one time, and you're like, all right, now 133 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: I can relax. And then there's people who want to 134 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: win at winning. They want it to be like all 135 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: the time. I'm like, you are always continually the best, 136 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: and honestly, that's where I am. I feel like I 137 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: want to win at winning. And I think when it 138 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: comes to the world of work in my career, I'm 139 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: someone who constantly wants to evolve, who constantly wants to 140 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: figure out the next thing and master whatever it is 141 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: that I'm doing. I think when I think about my 142 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 3: origin story, that's how I wanted to answer and say, 143 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: I'm so happy I listened to that other podcast because 144 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: that kind of helped me explain it. When it comes 145 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: to the world of work, I want to master it. 146 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: And that really led me to navigating my own career. 147 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: I fumbled like most people in the early stages when 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: I got to my first career development job. I spent 149 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: almost ten years doing career counseling jobs in some capacity 150 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: before I moved into talent acquisition, and the first time 151 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: I saw a student get a job as a direct 152 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: result of working with the AAWASA. I still talk to 153 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: that student today on the GRAM and I just loved it. 154 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: I absolutely loved it. And that's how I knew like 155 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: I wanted to build my career helping others navigate the 156 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: world to work as well. 157 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: I love that story and I think it's beautiful that 158 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: you still stay in touch with that first student, right, 159 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: And so when you think about working with that student 160 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: and the impact that you had with that first student, 161 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: what was the hardest part, Because I've been there myself, 162 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: of like being in the space where you're having an 163 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: impact and then you decide that there needs to be 164 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: a shift, there needs to be a change, And so 165 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: what was the hardest part of walking away from your 166 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: career as a senior collegiate career development. 167 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: Counselor So when I left to move into talent acquisition 168 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: and then subsequently this year to do my business full time, 169 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: I had done the things right. I feel. One of 170 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: the other affirmations in my book I believe is something 171 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: about you can leave a job that no longer serves you, 172 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: and I had done all the things. So when I 173 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: started in that career around two thousand and eleven, maybe 174 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: twenty eleven, I was a career development counselor, got promoted 175 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: to a senior creative alpment counselor, moved to assistant director, 176 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: moved to associate director. My goal during that time period 177 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: was to become director of career Services. And throughout that 178 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: year span those nine almost ten years, I had worked 179 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: with undergraduate students, graduate students, alumni, all different majors. I 180 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: worked with everyone, honestly, except for like doctors and lawyers, 181 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: people who are age eighteen who don't know what to 182 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 3: do with their life, littlone anything else, to people who 183 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: are in their sixties and are ready to move into 184 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: something else, using all their experiences but really focusing on 185 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: on their passions. And I'd done all the things, and 186 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: I felt like at that time I wanted to become 187 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: a director of career services. And I was interviewing and 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: I always came up as top two and I was 189 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: not number one. And I had a really really really 190 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: bad job process where that happened. I was stop, I 191 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: was two again, and then the person who they selected 192 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: actually rescinded their acceptance. They came back to me and said, 193 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: do you so want it? I said yes, and then 194 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: like two weeks later like, oh, you know, actually we're 195 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: going to go in a different direction. We're just going 196 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: to close the job down. And when I tell you, 197 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 3: I was devastated. I did not know what to do. 198 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: I don't really cry over jobs. I damn sure cry 199 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: at that time. And I was like, clearly, I need 200 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: to do something else. I need to figure something else out. 201 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 3: And the cards rolled as they did. I got connected 202 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: to an opportunity, and from the moment I was connected 203 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: to being hired, it was less than fourteen days. And 204 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: that's how I went into Corporate America to do diversity, 205 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: equity and inclusion the talent acquisition space, and it really 206 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: connected even deeper to the business I've been building. I 207 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: founded my company in twenty thirteen, just resigned to do 208 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: it full time in twenty twenty one. So that experience 209 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: and talent acquisition really pulled all of my experiences together. 210 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: Understanding the individual through career services, understand the corporate side 211 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: in a large corporation, and my company basically does all 212 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: of those things combined. So I think it was a 213 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: very hard shift, but for me, it happened naturally. I'm 214 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: a big believer in what's for you will be for you, 215 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: even though that sucks, Like I totally understand that sucks. 216 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: When someone tells you that mess, it feels terrible and 217 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 3: you don't want to believe it. But I think when 218 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: you look back, hindsight can tell you, like why you 219 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: shouldn't have had that opportunity because the same way I 220 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: told you, I was crying and I hated it. But 221 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: hindsight things that happened in the office that would have 222 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: worked in within less than a year, it would not 223 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: have been a great move for me. 224 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 4: Okay, So if you're watching us on Patreon right now, 225 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: I had to pick my job off the ground, so 226 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 4: you probably saw that that is an insane story. I 227 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 4: can't imagine that happening. Can we just kind of zoom 228 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 4: into that really quick? Can you talk about one, how 229 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: did you cope with that during those two weeks? Because 230 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 4: I think that's every new profession's worst fears, Like you get, 231 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: first of all, you're not number one, and they in 232 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 4: some kind of way you found out that you weren't 233 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 4: number one, and they're like, oh this person you know, 234 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 4: sud let's come to you. Nobody likes that. But then 235 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 4: you started the job. Two weeks after they're like, oh, 236 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 4: actually we don't need this role. And then okay, so 237 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: one question is how did you cope? And the second 238 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: is what did you learn from that happening? Because I 239 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 4: know that there were some gems I'm assuming in that experience. 240 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: So first I'll just clarify I didn't start the job 241 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: because then I probably would have got a lawyer. I 242 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: was thinking that, Okay, no, I definitely would have got 243 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: a lawyer. So I didn't start it. They had asked me, 244 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: they said, hey, do you want to come back, and 245 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: I said yes, we're so interested. Okay, we're going to 246 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: extend you an offer, and right then they said, like 247 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 3: you basically have the job. I thank goodness. I don't 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: even resigning from your job until you sign on the 249 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 3: dotted line. Then they came back after scheduling those meetings 250 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, so we're going to go in 251 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 3: a different direction, like right when they're supposed to give 252 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: me the offer letter. So no, one hundred percent that 253 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: happens to you, go get a lawyer because you can 254 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: probably sign an end and get some money if that 255 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 3: happens to you. But still devastated. I think it's one 256 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: of those times where you like question your own identity 257 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: like am I good enough? Like am I doing the 258 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 3: right thing? And I share that story because I think 259 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: because I work in career leadership development, people think like, oh, well, 260 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: Kim probably gets every job she applies to, things have 261 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: been perfect, And I was like, no, I have not 262 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: gotten every job that I've applied to. I've pulled myself 263 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: out of processes before when I thought it wasn't a 264 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: good fit several times. So I just keep believing that, 265 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: you know, my next move it has to be my 266 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 3: very best move. So a I'm not going to move 267 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: myself into anything that I don't feel is actually that 268 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 3: next best move for me. And once you know, I 269 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: pick myself off off the flore. Normally that's like a 270 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: SPA day. I'm very big on, like actually a day 271 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 3: like we're not just getting one massage, We're getting multiple things, 272 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 3: So it has to be a day day had to 273 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: toe do one of those you know, watch Being Mary 274 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: Jane or you know, eight to ten hours of Grey's 275 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: Anatomy then you know exactly then we get back into it. 276 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: So there definitely is that period where it's not okay. 277 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: I love that I appreciate that you're acknowledging that like 278 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: it's not okay, right, and then giving yourself that space 279 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: to feel, because I think oftentimes if we don't give 280 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: ourselves that space to fully acknowledge, like when we live 281 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: in that space of denial of how we're really feeling, 282 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: then it ends up circling back, or it may end 283 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: up impacting our upcoming process right one hundred As you 284 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: were talking, the thing that kept coming up for me 285 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite phrases of trust the process, right, 286 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: that things don't always work out how we initially envisioned, 287 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: but they always work out in our favor. 288 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agree. And I think the last 289 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: thing I'll just say is that come in quickly. I'd say, 290 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: in order to get over experiences like that, you have 291 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: to believe that you also did your best. You can't 292 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: look back and be like I really half stepped, like 293 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: I know I could have done better. You have to 294 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: have that confidence that at that moment in time, you 295 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: did everything that you could have possibly done with the 296 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: information that you were equipped with. And that I tell 297 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: everyone any client who works with me, is if you've 298 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: done that, and yes, sulk, we're going to feel bad, 299 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: but you did everything that you could do, so you 300 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: have to be okay moving forward. 301 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 4: I think also to piggyback off of that can and 302 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: let me if you agree. I would say that we're 303 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 4: not defined by what other people you know think about 304 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: us number one, But also our best is not necessarily 305 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: going to be what someone else wants at that time. 306 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: For whatever reason you said, it may not be aligned 307 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: as far as the universe right, because, like you said, 308 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 4: a year into the role, you heard about some things 309 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: going down and you're like, oh, yeah, that wouldn't have 310 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: been a good fit for me. Anyway. I have a 311 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 4: question about the people who they don't know what they 312 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 4: want to do. I feel like Domini, from a young age, 313 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 4: we kind of knew like what field or she had 314 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 4: everything back She's like, I know, I want to be 315 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 4: a psychologist. I'm about to change the world and help 316 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 4: you know, black women and people of color. I knew 317 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: the vibe of what I wanted to do, but and 318 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: it helped out in my journey. But for those who 319 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: don't necessarily know what they love, let alone know what 320 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: career they want to go into, Like what activities do 321 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 4: you have them do to find that they're like, I 322 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 4: don't know my passion help him? What do you tell them? 323 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: So that's really the beginning of my book, and I 324 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: think sometimes we make it seem like it has to 325 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: be this catastrophic life decision. I've worked in marketing, in 326 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: finance and admissions, in career services and talent acquisition, and 327 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: run my own company. So if you're watching me, I 328 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: have six fingers up. And I also, oh, iok. I 329 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: worked in retail, I've worked in restaurant services. I've had 330 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: a lot of like I used to be like the 331 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 3: head babysitter on the block. Like in my own hometown, 332 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 3: my baby said everybody kids would get off the bus 333 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: and didn't know like, no, no, no, I only have 334 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: two of you. Y'all go back to your families. I 335 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 3: was that babysitter. I could get in kids from the 336 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: bus stop. Like, there's lots of things that you've done. 337 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: So the first activity in my book I have people 338 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: do is take an assessment of everything every job you've 339 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 3: ever had. I mean the long resume that you would 340 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 3: never send to anyone every single job because many times 341 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: we have lots of skills, but we're thinking about what 342 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: is that long term vision. We're thinking, almost like our 343 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: baby boomer parents for a lot of folks, that we 344 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: have to e select that job that we're going to 345 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: be at for twenty years when that's just unrealistic. What 346 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: we really need to focus on is, Okay, what is 347 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: the ten year vision? What do we think we want 348 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: to do at that? And half like where do we 349 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: need to be in five years to get there? But 350 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: then really cut that in half again, what do we 351 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: want to do in two years? I like to think 352 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 3: in two year increments. So understanding what your skills are 353 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 3: from your resume, and then what are your passions, what 354 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: do you like to do, what excites you? And that's 355 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 3: when you put those two things together to really determine 356 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: what do you think your next move should be. And 357 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be a forever move, it's are 358 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 3: you going to gain skills? Are you going to be happy? 359 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: Because when you're happy and your match with your skill 360 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: sets or your strengths, you can call it either way, 361 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: that's when the magic really happens and you have a 362 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: career that you'll love. Because my thing is I don't 363 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: want everybody to have a job. You know, anybody can 364 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: have a job when I worked in restaurant services. It 365 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 3: was a job because I needed money. But to have 366 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: a career, there has to be some type of alignment, 367 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: some type of deeper excitement, deeper why to help gets 368 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: you to the next level. 369 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: I love that explanation, and it makes me think about 370 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: the college students that I work with, right, and this 371 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: generation different, right, Like you kind of spoke to that 372 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: a little bit, like they're definitely different from that baby 373 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: boomer generation of you are in your career for twenty years. 374 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: But to me, they also feel different in that they 375 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: may have one particular major and then their career might 376 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: not be directly correlated, at least initially on the surface 377 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: with their like, there might not be that direct correlation 378 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: between their career and their major. And so how do 379 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: you counsel the college graduates or the college students on 380 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: really identifying that that career that's matching up well with 381 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: their major that they're spending a lot of money on. 382 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: So again, I don't think it has to be perfectly matched. 383 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: I think it's really about skills. I think many times 384 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: these students hear the word transfer skills and they think 385 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: about it as like, Okay, transferable to my major, But 386 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: it's really the skills, like what skills have you gained? 387 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: What have you learned from your academic background, and even 388 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: more so from those internships that you've had and the 389 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: jobs that you've had. I'd say sometimes those are even 390 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 3: more important than whatever you majored in. And how can 391 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: you connect back to experiences And again only two years. 392 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 3: Let's not even think career because I think the reality 393 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: is when you graduate from college, you're getting a job. 394 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: You're getting your first job, and you have to test 395 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 3: it out. Do you like it? Do you not like it? 396 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: Do you feel like you can continue to do this 397 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: and you want to grow because we change careers right 398 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: when you look at I think there was some study 399 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: and please don't like slaughter me if I get it wrong, 400 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 3: but they were talking about people under thirty and how 401 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 3: many different jobs they've had. Right you're graduating college. By 402 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: the time you're like twenty one from undergrad and let's 403 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: maybe say twenty three to twenty five if you went 404 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 3: to graduate school, many people have had like five to 405 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: seven different jobs sometimes before they're like thirty thirty one. 406 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: So we need to stop thinking about the career path 407 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: right away. But what are the skills that you've gained 408 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 3: that can get you into a job that you think 409 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 3: you'll like. Because even if you did an internship right, 410 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: you're doing an internship for three months, maybe full time, 411 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 3: maybe not over the summer. Companies who have a structured 412 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: internship program have you working on a project. You're just 413 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 3: doing the most you can in that like twelve to 414 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: maybe sixteen week period. You still don't know if you 415 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: like it. You don't, So we have to take a 416 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: little bit of that stress off and just think about 417 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: what have you gained. Where do you think you can contribute. 418 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: Let's try this and see if you are excited about 419 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 3: building a career on that. But it's not uncommon. Just 420 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: like it's common to change majors, it's not uncommon to 421 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: change once you get into the workforce and you see 422 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: how things shake up. 423 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: I love your transparency around this topic. I think it 424 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 4: really It just doesn't make it like the stressful thing 425 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 4: that you have to commit to for life. It's like, 426 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 4: what am I going to do for the rest of 427 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: my life? Like we've I think many of us have 428 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 4: had different careers, different jobs, different experiences, and they all 429 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: lead up to those transferable skills that we can use 430 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 4: for that to year plan. My question for you is 431 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 4: when you think about joining a new company. Let's say 432 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 4: you're not starting a business, you're joining a new company, 433 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: or you're looking for a new role. What are some 434 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: of the things that you think folks should look for 435 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 4: when starting at a new company or starting in a 436 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: new role. 437 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: So, whenever anyone moves into a new role, I ask 438 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: if they treat it similar to how senior C suite 439 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 3: executives treat it. When CCWED execs move into a new role, 440 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: they do what I call a listening to it right 441 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: where they're meeting everyone at the entire organization, top to bottom, 442 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: and they're literally they're not saying anything, really introducing themselves. 443 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: People always love to ask them, well, what do you 444 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: think that you're going to do? What do they do? 445 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 3: They fliped the question back to you to ask more 446 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: about what's happening. How do you feel, what your experience 447 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: has been? They're listening, and I think as less senior professionals, 448 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: many times people go into organizations and they kind of 449 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 3: jump into the work. Yes, you have to jump into 450 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: the work. You have to, especially when you're less senior, 451 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: But at the same time, you also need to prioritize listening. 452 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: Make sure you schedule meetings with all of your peers, 453 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: all of them. Make sure you schedule meetings with your manager, 454 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: and I even like people to meet with their managers, peers, 455 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: whoever's on that tier for other teams, and then ask 456 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: if there's anyone else in the organization that you should 457 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: meet with. I know, in my last corporate job, I 458 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: was very big on when people started on my team. 459 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: I hired almost eight people. I think I'd have to 460 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: break it down, but our team expanded very very fast, 461 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: and one of the things I did for their onboarding 462 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: was I listed every single person who could potentially impact 463 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 3: their work, and I was like, you need to meet 464 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: with them over the first the next thirty days, thirty 465 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 3: to sixty. I need you to. We're going to get 466 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 3: you up and running. But I needed to meet these 467 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 3: people as well, And I think that's so important in 468 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: navigating an organization and really understanding your work, how it 469 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: impacts the organization and builds in the relationship that you 470 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: need essentially before you need them, and if you're looking 471 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: to make any type of transition, so someone who's thinking 472 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: about moving into a new role internally I think these 473 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: relationships end up helping you a lot, because you need 474 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: that insider information to truly understand what your role is 475 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: going to be like in that piece of the organization 476 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 3: or in that next role. I think sometimes we look 477 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: at our next move as being such an isolated, singular 478 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 3: experience for us, and it is because you're doing the work. 479 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: But at the same time, think about how your relationships 480 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 3: can help you navigate and give you the information to 481 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: help you succeed. The example I always give is two 482 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: candidates going into a job interview. Right, So Candidate one 483 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: doesn't know anybody, and candidate two knows people, so it 484 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: could both be equally prepared, equally amazing, right, same experiences. 485 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 3: But candidate one, who doesn't know anything, goes in, you know, 486 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 3: kills the interview with the knowledge that they had the 487 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: job description and their research, etc. But Candidate two had relationships, 488 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: so they were able to talk to people at the organization, 489 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: understand more about the role, and they found out that 490 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 3: the hiring leader really wants to double down on these 491 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: two things, so they kind of change their process, not 492 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 3: their process, change their answers to make sure they double 493 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: down on those two things. Both candidates are great. The 494 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: candidate too, gets the job, not because they were necessarily better, 495 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 3: but because they had more information. So instead of being 496 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 3: like talking about their role as more of a general, 497 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 3: it's like, I can do these things, telling great stories. 498 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: They just gave a little more sauce on the two 499 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 3: areas of hiring leader was really excited about. So they 500 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: do a little bit better. Like that's what relationships can 501 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: do when you're in the workforce and trying to navigate 502 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 3: and make your next move. 503 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: Wow, that's some serious, some serious knowledge right there, some 504 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: serious gems right there for folks. But okay, so, but 505 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: I want to go back to our college students, like 506 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: our entry level folks, right, is that possible for them 507 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: to do that as well? What would that look like 508 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: for them? Like they're just coming in like literally like 509 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: entree level. How do they navigate that relationship building? 510 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: They do the same exact thing. And I think many 511 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: times we try to in create development. I see people 512 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: try and pull themselves out right like well I'm a 513 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: college student. Well I'm almost a manager, but I'm not 514 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: a manager. Oh no, no, I'm a director and ooh no, 515 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: I'm a VP. People try and pull out the information 516 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: to make it different, but it really isn't. And sometimes 517 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: I say that college students they have a teach more 518 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: of an advantage because they have an alumni network. I've 519 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 3: worked in IVY League universities and non Ivy League universities, 520 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 3: and one of the things that Ivy League institutions tout 521 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: the most are their alumni networks. They always do. And 522 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: when you look at organizations, especially some of the top 523 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 3: companies Fortune one hundred companies, they know who's at that institution, 524 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: who came from which school, and those alumni proactively give 525 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: more money back most of the time every single year 526 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: engage with those students, and they are so excited to 527 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: hear from students who are interested in various career paths. 528 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: So as a student, you're a senior who knows that 529 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: they're either looking for a job their last summer internship. 530 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: I think it's imperative that they start to leverage the 531 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: alumni networks at their current institution because not to sound mean, 532 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 3: but like the alums, no, like you're in school, you're 533 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: not going to do anything for me. Okay, we're not 534 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 3: looking free to do anything for me. We don't need 535 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 3: this to be mutually beneficial that's not going to happen. 536 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: It's my job is to help you. That's what the 537 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: alum is there for. Versus when you get into the 538 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 3: world of work, people may be looking for some reciprocity. 539 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 3: There's no reciprocity when you're a student and you're a 540 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: senior alum. Period. The only reciprocity there is is when 541 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 3: the student gets into a world of work. If they 542 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: had a referral, you kill it and you don't mess up, 543 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 3: and you do the best job possible. That is the 544 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 3: only thing that you're really responsible for. So leverage those relationships. 545 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: Get in touch with your alumni association, reach out and 546 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 3: see how you can get in touch with alums, reach 547 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 3: out to them on LinkedIn and get that information. Especially 548 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: if you're at a larger university, there are alums probably 549 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 3: all over the world that you can find by using 550 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 3: the LinkedIn Alumni tool or connecting with your alumni office. 551 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 3: I think sometimes it really could be just a little 552 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: bit easier for some of these students. 553 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: That's a really, really good point. Oh my goodness. And 554 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: I've noticed that too. Like being in Silicon Valley working 555 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 4: in tech, you'll see folks refer their friends and people 556 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 4: they went to school with to certain jobs and they 557 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: get these amazing positions and you're like, Oh, they had 558 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 4: the inside connect that's why they were able to do that. 559 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: So our next question before we shift up the energy 560 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 4: of this interview is what are the current trends that 561 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 4: you're noticing as it relates to career options for black women. 562 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: I think that people of color are very hot right now, 563 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 3: especially the Black community, extremely hot. That is the thing 564 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 3: that every company has their pulse on right now, especially 565 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: I think it's people of color, but then doubling down 566 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: on the black communities. I do diversity, equity and inclusion 567 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: consulting for some organizations and through my company, manifest Yourself, 568 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: and many times when you start to pull up the 569 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: stats of different communities, black professionals are generally at the 570 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 3: bottom of the total fold when it comes to representation, 571 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: when it comes to internal mobility, etc. Like many times 572 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: they're engaged, but they're just not promoted internally. So companies 573 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: can sometimes recruit them, but the numbers are always always 574 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: lesser than our LATINX partners or any other people of 575 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: color in the organization. So I think that right now 576 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 3: is such a great time to be applying and networking 577 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: and building relationships and allies who are people of color 578 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: and not people of color, because people are very aware 579 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: of it. And of course if we double down on women, 580 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: even more so because essentially double minorities, right, they're women 581 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: and they're black women. So I think it's a really 582 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: pivotal time to be out there and building key relationships 583 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 3: and finding those allies. Of course, continuously doing great work, 584 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 3: but building the relationships you need to help you rise 585 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: to the next level. And then I think in general 586 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: trends and work, I would just say everyone's talking about 587 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: hybrid right, hybrid workforce, working remotely, all of those things. 588 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: A lot of companies are saying they want be to 589 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: come back. You know, work happens at work. Some CEOs 590 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: are saying stuff like that, but I think those companies 591 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 3: are going to end up losing out. So I think 592 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: it's the time to really be able to stand up 593 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: for yourself and advocate for yourself for what it is 594 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: that's really going to make you happy in the world 595 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: of work. I saw an article today it was how 596 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 3: what did it say? It was like people are talking 597 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: less about a hot girl summer and more about a 598 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: hot job summer because all these companies want us to 599 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: come back in September and people are like, yeah, no, 600 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: so I will still be remote. So people are using 601 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: the summer to get another job. So it's a really 602 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: amazing time in the world of work, and I think 603 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: we're going to see a lot of changes come the fall. 604 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: Amazing. That is so helpful, lad, you got to go 605 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 4: get Campanies books. Okay, next move, best moves? 606 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: All right. 607 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 4: So I can't believe we're about the shift of the 608 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 4: energy of this interview. And because we recognize, appreciate, and 609 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 4: celebrate the multifaceted woman, and we believe that it's okay 610 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 4: to be classy and ratchet. You can still be elegant 611 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: and dance to strip club music. We want to invite 612 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: you to you not in your head like you girl. 613 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 4: We want to have by you too, the oh you 614 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 4: clatchet segment. So do you take on the challenge? 615 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 3: Of course I'm ready, Yes, I love it all. 616 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: Right, So you know we're gonna ease you in to 617 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: the clatchet. What is one question or topic that you 618 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: wished people asked you about more often. 619 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: So you know, outside of the world of work, if 620 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: I wasn't talking about career development. A lot of my 621 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: friends say that I should be talking about relationships because 622 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: how I navigated dating was very interesting and a lot 623 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: of people it's not something I ever really talked about, 624 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: but a lot of my friends come to me for 625 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 3: dating and relationship advice. Okay, well, yeah, we need to 626 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: know how you have right, yes Jesus, yes, no, no, 627 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 3: no no. I think the question people most ask me is, 628 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: so I met my husband on Tender. People ask how 629 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 3: I met my husband on Tender all the time, And 630 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 3: I think my secret to dating on Tender was that 631 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: I met a lot of people really really fast. I 632 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 3: don't believe in talking in these apps in any way, 633 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 3: shape or form. I believe in you meet the person. 634 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 3: And I had no problem asking for coffee, tea, a drink. 635 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: I never do dinner. I don't want to do dinner 636 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 3: at all at all ever until I get to know you. 637 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 3: And I would go and I meet someone at a bar, 638 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: at coffee. I'd get there before then pay for my 639 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: own drink because I don't want any of that. I 640 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 3: want to be able to leave if I can leave, 641 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: And I would meet people like that really really fast, 642 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: like maybe a little conversation on the app, I'm like, hey, 643 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: you want to grab a drink. We go grab a 644 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: drink and I get to meet you in person and 645 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 3: really see is there any chemistry, any connection. If there was, 646 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 3: I would generally leave time after, like okay, now we 647 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: can grab a bite to eat. But it was always 648 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 3: just a drink and I met a lot of people 649 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: and I had such a good time. I also went 650 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: a lot of places by myself. I would take myself 651 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 3: out to dinner by myself. I went to events by myself. 652 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 3: I only went out with friends who were excited about 653 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 3: meeting people and talking to people, not the friends who 654 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: don't want you to leave them, and I had just 655 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: great conversation. I'm not sure where y'all based, but I 656 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 3: was based in New York City when I was really dating. 657 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: I even used to take myself to grab a drink 658 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: at TGI Fridays in Penn Station because everybody is there. 659 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 3: And my thing was if I went out, I would 660 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 3: never take my phone out. I did not allow myself 661 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 3: to take the phone out, So even if I just 662 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: chatted with the bartender, but I'd always have a great 663 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 3: conversation and I think it was really interesting to meet 664 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: a lot of people at the same time and just 665 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 3: not really be attached, just trying to make connections and 666 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: see who who fit best for me. 667 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: That sound so love. 668 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's lazy. Thank you for sharing. It sounds 669 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 4: like a vibe I could picture as you were talking, like, 670 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 4: oh yeah, your best life. Okay, let's talk the next 671 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 4: question here, what's the most embarrassing thing you ever done 672 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 4: to get a CRUSH's attention. 673 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: I think maybe I'm a little forward, so I think 674 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 3: when I was really trying to date, I would just 675 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 3: say something. I literally, but I don't know if I 676 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: did anything like crazy or anything embarrassing, but I would 677 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 3: just say something. I remember I was at in New 678 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 3: York City at one of the Must Love Beers parties 679 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: done by I don't do clubs, so it was for 680 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 3: men with beards and the women who loved them. They 681 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 3: were always really great, great parties, and the ratio was 682 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 3: actually fifty to fifty, which you know generally doesn't happen 683 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: when never gender balanced. And if I saw someone looking 684 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: like i'd make eye contact, make eye contact, and then 685 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: I'd be like, so I can see you're looking and 686 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 3: want to say hello, and I'll just say I'm Kimberly 687 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 3: and just let the conversation go. I don't think I've 688 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 3: done anything crazy. I don't think I have. 689 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 4: What I want. 690 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: Okay, I just hated the waiting Back in the like 691 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 3: when I was really dating, like before that, like the 692 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: first time I was really out on the streets, I 693 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 3: feel like I was so I wasn't comfortable being myself. 694 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 3: I guess. So now back then in like twenty fourteen, 695 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 3: like when I was like out in the streets, I 696 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 3: guess again, I was like, okay, like this is I'm 697 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 3: just going to be myself and be friendly and have 698 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: conversation like I'm not caring about anything else. It made 699 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 3: me very I guess, detached from the outcomes. I was 700 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 3: just able to meet great people. Yeah, I'm like I wasn't. 701 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 3: I don't think I've really done anything crazy or embarrassing. 702 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 3: I don't think so. I know, I love that. 703 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: You love that. So what's the sexiest item that you own? 704 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: I go al item of clothing didn't have to be 705 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 3: We're open. I'm not the same number two because I'm 706 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: not saying that on a podcast. 707 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: We you know, we we state that we are not. 708 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 3: For the old people, children. So I'm not saying that's 709 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 3: still not honest. Could be out on incident. Maybe I 710 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 3: want to run for office one day, right, that's weird 711 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: for you know. I'll give you all number two and 712 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 3: then we can talk about number one when the cameras 713 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 3: go off. Number two. My godmother is a really big 714 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 3: believer in having good lingerie. Yes, she is a big 715 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 3: believer in it. Like I remember before my wedding night 716 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 3: and she's like, you better make sure you're not out 717 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 3: here wearing no deg On T shirt. She's like, you 718 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 3: need to go and get yourself something and send me 719 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 3: a picture. So I have good lingerie. Yes, I will 720 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 3: say I love it. Yes, I love it. Now are 721 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 3: you going to talk or tuosta? That's the real question. 722 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to two step in public and work with 723 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 3: my friends. Got it? 724 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 4: Go? 725 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: Got it? 726 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 4: There we go? 727 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: One final question? What do you love most about yourself? 728 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 3: I love my ability to not stop. I think I'm 729 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 3: very resilient, and I'm definitely hard on myself, very hard 730 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 3: on myself, but overall, I'm very resilient. I love that 731 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: beautiful Kimberly. 732 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 4: This was such a vie. Thank you so much for 733 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 4: sharing your expertise with our audience. There were so many 734 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 4: gems dropped in this episode. We thank you for the 735 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 4: work that you do, what you do for our community, 736 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 4: how you show up, because it really does inspire other 737 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 4: people to let their light shine. And Lady, you definitely 738 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 4: need to go get Kimberly's book, Okay, so make sure 739 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 4: you head on over to wherever you purchase your books. 740 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 4: All right, I'm going to go ahead and just make 741 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 4: sure I don't pitch of the title here. It's next Move, 742 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 4: Best Move, transitioning into a career you'll love. And Lady, 743 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 4: as you probably know, we have more than one hundred episodes, 744 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,479 Speaker 4: so make sure you check the archives. We've talked about 745 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 4: everything for mommy issues, daddy issues, and fertility, miscarriage, narcissists 746 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 4: and more on the podcast. So you can literally google 747 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 4: a keyword, any keyword you want to search for along 748 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 4: with our podcast name and you can find what you're 749 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 4: looking for. We also have season seven episode twelve, Finding 750 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 4: Career Success with Doctor Kimberly James. We have season seven 751 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 4: episode eight by Black Women Need Executive Coaching with their Burnie, 752 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 4: and then of course we have today's episodes. If you 753 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 4: can listen to all three eat your career, life and order, 754 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 4: and we will see you on the after show. Thank 755 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 4: you so much, Kimberly, thank you. 756 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: Hey lady, it's doctor dom here from the Cultivating her 757 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: Space podcast. Are you currently a resident of the state 758 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: of California and contemplating starting your therapy journey? Well, if so, 759 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: please reach out to me at doctor Dominique Brusard dot com. 760 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: That's d R D O M I N I q 761 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: U E B R O U S s r D 762 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: dot com to schedule a free fifteen minute consultation. I 763 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: look forward to hearing from you. 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