1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. What was happening on stage was that 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers were rediscovering themselves as a 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: great rock and roll band and connecting again to the 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: bliss that brought them in the things. They played a 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: Zombies song called they Want You Back Every Night that 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: Tom remembered from having seen the Zombies back in nineteen 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: sixty six. 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, a celebration in 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: music history. Join your host Buzz Night celebrating the great 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 2: Tom Petty and some November moments that are pure nuggets 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: in music history. Tom's self titled debut album was released 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: in November of nineteen seventy six. His Long After Dark 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: album was released in November of nineteen eighty two. Then 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: there was that great run of shows at the film 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 2: Wore that were released in November of twenty two. On 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: this special Petty celebration, Buzz welcomes music journalist Joel Selvin, 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: who spent years covering the work of Tom Petty and 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: the heart Breakers, and John Scott, who worked for years 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,639 Speaker 2: for Tom's label and is the author of Tom Petty 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: and Me. Join Buzz next celebrating Tom Petty. 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: As we like to celebrate music history, we celebrate Tom 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 3: Petty and we turned to an authority. 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: On all things music. 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: He is a legendary San Francisco based music critic known 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: for his work at the San Francisco Chronicle, the author 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: of multiple books, and he's a returning guest on the 27 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk podcast. 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 4: Hello, Joel Selvin. 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: I can't decide whether I've been knighted or buzzed. 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: All the above. Good to be back, buzz Thank you 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 4: for being on. 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: So how was Tom Petty received to your recollection? In 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six, when the debut album came. 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 1: Out, the band played six nights in the Bay Area, 35 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: three nine in the club in Palo Alto, the Keystone 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Palo Alto, and three nights at the sister club, Keystone Berkeley. 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: The opening act was a local band that just also 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: put out their first album, that'd be the Greg Kin Band. 39 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: Patty's album was already getting airplay on the FM station 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: in Town, Ksa, n They were really one of the 41 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: first stations in the country to join the Pom Petty bandwagon, 42 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: and that first album was very well received. So there 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: was some interest in the band beyond like, you know, 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: who are these guys with a new album, there was 45 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: some knowledge and my recollection of the opening night show 46 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: at Keystone Palo Alto was that there was like, you know, 47 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: three quarters of a house, a good crowd, and the 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: band just blew everybody's mind the case and had them 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: back very shortly there after for a live broadcast which 50 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: was recorded and released on an official bootleg album as 51 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: a promo item. It's quite a collector's item these days, 52 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: but it has a terrific live version of Luna on it. 53 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: And did you get access to him at all interview wise? 54 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: In that first go round? 55 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: I met the band yahaya great looking forward to it, 56 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: and you know, that was it. The Tom Petty interviews 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: started a little bit later, and you know, over the 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: course of time, he was such a popular act in 59 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: San Francisco, and I think the band sort of looked 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: upon San Francisco as kind of a home away from 61 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: home where they were very well received from the very 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: beginning of their career. So yeah, no, Tom was always 63 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, a feature of the Chronicles pop music coverage. 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: And then we moved to Long After Dark, which was 65 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: really a breakthrough in nineteen eighty two. 66 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: What was your recollection of the release of that. 67 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, by that time, the Petty records were a thing. 68 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you knew that there was a 69 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: new Tom Petty album that was going to have important 70 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: tracks on it. They were going to be on the radio. 71 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I was looking at old clip files recently, 72 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: and I mean that period of time was just so rich. 73 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: I saw that. In one week in nineteen eighty four, 74 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I reviewed Bob Seeger, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and 75 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Prince and they were all had new albums out. They're 76 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: all big hit records, They're all sold out Oakland Coliseum shows. 77 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: It was just an amazingly rich period of time in 78 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: rock music. 79 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: And that long after Dark really had the MTV breakthrough 80 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 3: for Petty, didn't it. 81 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: You know, Petty was not like that MTV kind of 82 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: a guy. You know, the thespian qualities of Duran. Duran 83 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: were something they didn't aspire to, but inevitably the records 84 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: were so good that the TV station had to break 85 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: down and get him on there. 86 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: And then you were in the middle of it in 87 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven with the unbelievable residency that he did 88 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: at the Fillmore West, which I know started in November 89 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: of that year, but moved into ninety eight. 90 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 4: What were your recollections of those shows? 91 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty much pressed into my mind, so I forget 92 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: the exact count. There was like twenty thirty shows, and 93 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: it was like a part time job for me. I mean, 94 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, I covered the first weekend Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, 95 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: and then as they kept going, I would stop back 96 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: and maybe I'd be on my way out somewhere else 97 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: and I'd stop by and catch the first part of 98 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: this set, or maybe I've been out somewhere else and 99 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: I'd come back to the film more and catch the 100 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: last part. I don't know how many of my I saw. 101 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: It just seemed like, you know, like I said, like 102 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: it was a part time job. I had to beat 103 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: the filmore to see Tom Petty, and there were a 104 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: lot of us that were doing that, you know, because 105 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: we were comparing notes, Well he did what last night? 106 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, let me see the song last you know. 107 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Such a unique and extraordinary run of events. Now, what 108 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: was going on with the band is so interesting. They 109 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: had taken a year off. The year before that, they 110 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: had been on the road extensively, playing all the sheds 111 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: in America, playing the same songs in the same order 112 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: every night, and they were super conscious about delivering consumer satisfaction. 113 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: You know, high ticket prices, parking, all the hassle to 114 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: get to the show and park your car and make it. 115 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: They were really conscious of that and worked really hard 116 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: to put on this very well designed show. But somewhere 117 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: in the process they lost the bliss of being a 118 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: rock and roll band. It became like an automatic thing, 119 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: and they took a year off and really didn't know 120 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: what to do. And it was Petty's idea to come 121 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: up to the fillmore and just sit down there. And 122 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: the shows were not anything like the Tom Petty and 123 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: the Heartbreaker shows that had been in the sheds. Almost 124 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: every night it opened with some old rock and roll song, 125 00:07:53,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: whether it's Little Richard or put on your break Dress Baby. 126 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 127 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: Then one night they did that, I mean it was 128 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: just and then they would pick pieces out of the 129 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Tom Pitty and the Heartbreaker's repertoire. Some of them were 130 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: in every night, like Mary Jane's Last Dance was every 131 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: night ten twelve, fifteen minutes long. King's Highway was frequent. 132 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: I'd have to look at the box set again to 133 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: remember the whole repertoire. But they had like a half 134 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: a dozen heartbreaker songs and they threw him in at 135 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: different points in the show. Toward the end of the run, 136 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: they had a kind of climax built into a giant 137 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: version of Gloria g l Oria and they're bringing in 138 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: special guests. They brought in Roger mcgwinn and the Birds, 139 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: John Lee Hooker, Carl Perkins. It was just it was 140 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: a club and they were the members of the club, 141 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: and we just were there to be their audience. It 142 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: was a fantastic run. And when I look back on 143 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: not just I mean of all the music I've seen 144 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: in my life, I got it put the Last Waltz 145 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: at the top of the list. It was just an 146 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: amazing night of music. But second place is the Tom 147 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: Petty Filmore run. It was just so satisfying and the 148 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: band was living out a dream and rediscovering themselves. One afternoon, 149 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: guitarist Mike Campbell was sitting in the hotel, which is 150 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: like two blocks from the film wre I mean, they 151 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: didn't even take a cab to the gig, right, they 152 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: just walked. And he's working on a guitar lick and 153 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: he gets it together and goes to soundcheck and shows 154 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: it to Tom, and Tom writes a bunch of lyrics 155 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: and they play the song that night. It's called Dating 156 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: the Ugly Homecoming Queen, and it's on the live box 157 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: set and it's wonderful, sort of Fleetwood macish thing that 158 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: you know. It was just fresh on the slab tonight 159 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: here it is. So that was the kind of attitude 160 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: that those guys were playing. They came to a closing 161 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: night and they broadcast it on the FM radio, I 162 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: think all across the country on some network. But that 163 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: night they just decided to do everything, everything they'd ever done, 164 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 1: And I mean like Campbell was doing a surf instrumental 165 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: every night, Benmont Tansh was playing Booker t songs, Petty 166 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: was doing everything from Bill Withers to saying you Are 167 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: My Sunshine. One night because that was the first song 168 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: he ever learned. He played it back in summer camp. 169 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just no telling what was going 170 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: to happen. Everybody was having a great time, and what 171 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: was happening on stage was that Tom Patty and the 172 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: Heartbreakers were rediscovering themselves as a great rock and roll 173 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: band and connecting again to the bliss that brought them 174 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: in the things. They played a zombie song called they 175 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: Want You Back every Night that Tom remembered from having 176 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: seen the Zombies back in nineteen sixty six. 177 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: And I think you've told me you had opportunities to 178 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: sit and interview Tom. 179 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Oh, we had to explain the run 180 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: to the newspaper readers, and then we had to like 181 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: patch up on how it was going during the run, 182 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: and then we had to do a summation. So, you know, 183 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: I checked in with Tom in depth at the beginning 184 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: and the end and through the middle. You know, I 185 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: pick up, you know, a little quotes and comments and 186 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And so as I said that he 187 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: was completely tired of what he was doing, wanted to 188 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: re animate the whole Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker's thing. 189 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: And that was the goal of this filmore run. To 190 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: throw away the set list, to be a rock band, 191 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: to enjoy what they're doing, and to do it for themselves, 192 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: not the audience. And that was what it took. And 193 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: by the end of the run, and it went into January, 194 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: so it was pretty much about three months, Tom was 195 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: a returned to who he had been, he was back 196 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: in the band, he was happy, he was reconnected with 197 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: all the things that were important to him, and off 198 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: they went. They came back to the Filmore the next 199 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: year for another short run, but you know, they've done 200 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: the thing and it had had its effect, and that 201 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: lasted the band the rest of Tom's life. 202 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: Well, I have to also ask in closing, there's some 203 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: recent news that involves the Heartbreakers and involves Dylan, which 204 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure you have followed with the recent live Aid 205 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: surprise appearance there with Bob. What impact do you think 206 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: the Heartbreakers and Tom certainly had on Dylan And where 207 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: do you think this might be going with Dylan's future. 208 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: Do you think there'll be more of this type of event? 209 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Dylan's never predictable. I love Bob Dylan because he's really 210 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: just his own self. Of course, they did a world 211 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: tour with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers as Dylan's backup 212 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: band back in the mid eighties when Dylan was you know, 213 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: kind of you know, a low point in his career 214 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: and he was kind of borrowing the Petty audience. After that, 215 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: he went out and did a bunch of dates with 216 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: the Grateful Dad and just completely borrowed their audience. But 217 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: the Petty and Dylan show, we're much more of an 218 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: authentic collaboration. And it really loosened Dilan up a lot 219 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: and gave him a great rock band to play with 220 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: for a while. And I remember he was throwing in 221 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: songs in the set that he hadn't done ever before. 222 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: I remember he was doing Ricky Nelson's Lonesome Town. Ricky 223 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: Nilson used to like to do my songs I'd like 224 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: to do. Want to hear this, you know, I mean 225 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: it was a renaissance for Dylan at a time when 226 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: he needed it. So those guys were tight and tidy, 227 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: and of course Tom and Bob were in the Traveling 228 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: Wilbury's together. It wasn't a surprise to me to see 229 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: them show up and back him up at Farmaid for 230 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: three songs. And you know, they all know each other, 231 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: they've all played together, they're all like minded individuals. It's 232 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful collaboration. I don't know if it'll ever happen 233 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: again or not, but you know it's up there on YouTube. 234 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: You can check it out. 235 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 4: Joel, thank you, thank you so much for doing this. 236 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. 237 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 6: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 238 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 6: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 239 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: So as we continue celebrating Tom Petty on the Taking 240 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: a Walk Podcast, We're going to turn to the author 241 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: of the book Tom Petty and Me, a Journey told 242 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: by the amazing John Scott from his experience and friendship 243 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. It's so great to 244 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: reconnect with you, mister Scott. 245 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: You too, buzz And I love anybody who has a 246 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 5: name like buzz is on the radio. That's really cool. 247 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 5: Buzz I love that I was just John Scottland Radio, 248 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 5: but Buzz, I think is a cool name. Man. Thank 249 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: you anyway, I'm good. I'm so glad to be here 250 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: because so I've kind of got a lot of Petty 251 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 5: memories running around my head right now. And he dedicated 252 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 5: a song to me at his last concert of his life, 253 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 5: and I didn't know it was coming, and it was 254 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: because of all the things I did with him back 255 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 5: in the seventies and continued on doing things. And I 256 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 5: still say, there'll never be another Tom Petty. He was 257 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 5: one of a kind, great guy, great songwriter, just a 258 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 5: true icon. I mean, doesn't get much better than Tom 259 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 5: Petty and the Heartbreakers, maybe the Traveling Mulberry's. 260 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: But well, we love celebrating here in November. The significant days, 261 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: the first being going back to November ninth, nineteen seventy six, 262 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: which was when the debut album was released. Give me 263 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: your recollection of that moment, as you were close to 264 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: Tom and working with Tom when that first release came out. 265 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 5: Well, guess what, I have no recollection whatsoever of that 266 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 5: album coming out. And I'll tell you why. Around that 267 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 5: time in October of seventy seven, maybe there was a 268 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 5: friend of mine. I was in Boston and a who concert. 269 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 5: I was working for MCA Records and I was the 270 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 5: national album promotion director and I was sitting with a 271 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 5: guy who worked at ABC Records, and he said, you know, 272 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 5: I got up this band I want to send you. 273 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 5: I think you will like him. They're called Tom Penny 274 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 5: and Heartbreakers, and I'll send you a copy. And he 275 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 5: never did, And so I just kind of forgot the 276 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 5: name Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers because it's the time 277 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 5: I was working for an ACA, like I said, and 278 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: I got fired by them because I was trying to 279 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 5: get this record played on the radio. That was part 280 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 5: of my job is to get records played on the radio, 281 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 5: as you know. And I was working with this kid 282 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: named Johnny Cougar and I just dug the kid. I 283 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 5: thought he's really good. He had a lot of promise, 284 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 5: and MCA hated him and they told me to stop 285 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 5: working the record And went, what do you mean. I 286 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 5: just got WMMS in Cleveland on the record, one of 287 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 5: the biggest stations in the America. They said, we don't 288 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 5: we don't care. You're fired. I went, WHOA, just trying 289 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 5: to do my job anyway. So right around that time, 290 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 5: well I'm still working for MCA, but that's my memory, 291 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 5: first memory of hearing the name Tom Petty the Heartbreakers, 292 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 5: and the guy never sent me the album. And I 293 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 5: went to work at ABC Records in August of seventy seven. 294 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 5: So first time I going. First time came out in 295 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 5: seventy six, right, And I went to work in August 296 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 5: of seventy seven and still had no idea who Tom 297 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 5: Petty and the Heartbreakers were. And all I knew was 298 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 5: that my boss told me not to get involved like 299 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 5: you did with Johnny Couger again, or you'll get fired, 300 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 5: because if we want to drop an artist we're going 301 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 5: to drop him, and if you get in the way, 302 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 5: you're gonna get fired again John, and I had to 303 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 5: raise my right hand. That's short of God, Okay, I 304 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: raised my right hand. I will not be involved with 305 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 5: any bands that you're about to drop. And it was 306 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 5: kind of a funny moment, but I didn't think anything 307 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 5: about it. But three days later, I was in my 308 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 5: office and I didn't have anything to do because I 309 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 5: was in between albums being worked, and I opened my 310 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 5: closet door to get my jacket out as a record 311 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 5: fell down out of the closet and it was a 312 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 5: white album cover and I pulled the vinyl out and 313 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: was nothing on the vinyl, and being a former DJ, 314 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 5: I went, I got to listen to this record because 315 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 5: I don't know who it is. And I sat down 316 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 5: and I heard a breakdown and I heard American girl 317 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 5: and hair is standing up on my arms, Like you 318 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 5: know what that feeling is like when you hear something. 319 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 5: I'm sure a lot of your listeners too, when you 320 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: hear something you turns you on. Your hair got get goosebumps, 321 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 5: and the hair stands up on my body and on 322 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 5: my arms, not everywhere, but and I just I was 323 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 5: in a trance. To be quite honest with you, I 324 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 5: was going, who the hell, this is one of the 325 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 5: greatest records I've heard in a long time. And I 326 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 5: went to my boss and he said, let me see 327 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 5: that album. He puts it on. Ten seconds. Oh that's 328 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 5: that punk band, Tom Petty and the Heartburgers. And I 329 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: kind of went, you said, punk band, this is a 330 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 5: rock and roll band. He said, no, it's a punk band. Well, 331 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 5: holy shit, if you listen to American Girl, that's the 332 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 5: rock and roll record. And he said, we're dropping them. 333 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you can't do that. Don't do that. 334 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 5: We got we're ropping them six weeks. The record's been 335 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 5: out for eight months, so twelve thousand copies, and we 336 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 5: spent too much money on the band, so we're dumping them. 337 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 5: And I'm going, oh my god, just give me a 338 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 5: chance to try and get this record. Played call a 339 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 5: few of my friends and he said, John, you're doing 340 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: it again. I went, I don't care. I don't know. 341 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 5: I'm just in my mind. I knew what I heard. 342 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 5: You know what it's like when you hear something like that. 343 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 5: And I said, I don't care. I don't care. If 344 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 5: I get fired or not, just give me six weeks 345 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 5: to try to get my friends, to some of my 346 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 5: radio friends to at least listen to it. And he 347 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 5: finally said okay, and so I go back to my office. 348 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 5: I started calling some of my radio friends and they 349 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 5: went and then eight months about eight month old album, 350 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 5: and then a punk band, and I'm kind of like, 351 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 5: what hell these people thinking? And the cover comes out. 352 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 5: The cover of Tom's first album is what caused one 353 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 5: of the reasons a problem was caused because he had 354 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: a black leather jacket on and bullets around his neck 355 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 5: and a smirk. And I guess people, I mean radio 356 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: stations weren't really playing punk records at the time. I 357 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 5: don't think. I don't think they were playing the Ramones 358 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 5: or I don't know. I don't know. I just I 359 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 5: just know that I keep hearing the word punk, and 360 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 5: I'm going, what is wrong with people? And anyway, So 361 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 5: I was sitting there and I finally got somebody on 362 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 5: the phone and oh, yeah, so I'm pretty good here 363 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 5: and I went, oh, I'm on this something, I'm onto 364 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 5: something finally here and the next day a guy named 365 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 5: Charlie Kendall. You probably know who Charlie is. He went 366 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 5: to work at KWST, a new station in Los Angeles. 367 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 5: It was going to challenge kamy T, which was the 368 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 5: big dog in Los Angeles. I went over to his 369 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 5: apartment and said, Charlie, you just sit on the floor. 370 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 5: Listens now. Put the headphones on this album. And he 371 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 5: sat there and he's cross legged. He was kind of 372 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 5: bobbing along. He pulled the headphones office. Who is this band? 373 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 5: They're incredible? 374 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: Who is this? 375 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 5: I said, Tom penny Hartburgers. I never heard of him. 376 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 5: I said, well, a lot of people haven't heard of them. 377 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 5: But anyway, he said, are they any good live? And 378 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 5: I said, I just picked up the record by accident 379 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 5: three days ago. I have no clue if they're any 380 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 5: good live, but I do know that they're opening for 381 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 5: Blondie this coming Saturday night at the Whiskey by chance. 382 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 5: And he said, we're going to go, hell yeah, we're 383 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 5: going to go see this guy, Tom Petty. And we 384 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 5: went to the club and he came on at seven o'clock, 385 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 5: about ten fifteen people in the club and we were 386 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 5: just kind of going, Oh, the way, knows who this 387 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 5: guy is. He came on and did oh, Carol the 388 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 5: Chuck Berry song and just killed it. Man, Mike Campbell 389 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 5: killed it, and what a great guitar player he is. 390 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 5: And anyway, Charlie and then he played Breakdown, and Charlie 391 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 5: leaned over and said, I'm gonna start playing Breakdown on 392 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: Monday morning. And nobody in Los Angeles had been playing 393 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 5: Tom Petty. So he does a thirty minute set and 394 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 5: it's over, no encore. But and when they came out, 395 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 5: I was gonna, please, don't be a punk man, please 396 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 5: please please, And they came out. They had their own 397 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 5: coolness about him comment a scarphone, and I know the 398 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 5: other guys just looked so cool. And I saw vox 399 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 5: amps on the stage and that's good. But anyway, so 400 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 5: they did, and Charlie's when he said, I'm gonna start 401 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 5: playing Breakdown once an hour every hour. This is a 402 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 5: hit record. I knew, if you're promotion guy, you have 403 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 5: that ad in your pocket, you know, and you're going 404 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 5: all right? And so the show endedn't know, I say, 405 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 5: he didn't do an encore, and I said, let's go 406 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 5: meet this guy. We go upstairs with no security and 407 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 5: I see Tom's in the corner wiping his face off 408 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 5: with catal I'm going to hey, Tom the I'm John Scott, 409 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 5: the new head of album promotion at ABC Records. I 410 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 5: don't give a crap who the fuck you are. We 411 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 5: hate ABC Records and they've done nothing for us for 412 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 5: eight months, so who are you? I said, well, I 413 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: really like your music, but have you ever heard it 414 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 5: on the radio in Los Angeles? He went to know why. 415 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 5: I said, well, this guy here is so start playing 416 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 5: it Monday morning on a news station. He went bullshit, 417 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 5: another ABC nut job, telling me they're going to do something, 418 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 5: and for eight months they've done nothing, and I'm kind 419 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 5: of taking aback because I've never had an artist do 420 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 5: that to me in my life, you know. Just start 421 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 5: cursing at me. I said, look, I have no I 422 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 5: have no history of what happened with the ABC Records 423 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: that I have no clue. But he said, just get out, please. 424 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 5: Bug just scored him out, and the Roady came over 425 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 5: to score me and Charlie out, and I stopped and said, Tom, 426 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 5: I'm going to break your career wide open. How's that? 427 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 5: And I'm saying this because I don't I don't know 428 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 5: if I can, but in my heart, in my ears. 429 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 5: I knew I could. And then boy, the whole room 430 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 5: was the band was laughing, and this guy's going to 431 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 5: break our career. And he had started off, he'd gotten 432 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 5: a little following going in England, but he came home 433 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 5: and there were nobody's and that's why they're giving me 434 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 5: all the static. And right when I got to the door, 435 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 5: I just turned around and said, Tom Petty, my name 436 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 5: is John Scott. When you hear your record of the radio, 437 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 5: you will never forget my name. Okay, get out, And 438 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 5: he threw us out of the whiskey, and so Charlie 439 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 5: and I are actually laughing as we walked down the 440 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 5: stairs of the whiskey because we just knew what was 441 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 5: going to happen. We knew the Breakdown was going to 442 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 5: come out and just take over Los Angeles. At least 443 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 5: we thought we were sure enough. He started playing in 444 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 5: Monday morning. On Wednesday, he called and said, man, Tower 445 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 5: Record just called most of who this band isn't playing. 446 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 5: I was blown away. And although I kind of expected 447 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 5: that to happen, I really did. It sounds crazy, you know, 448 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 5: but so at the time, Times manager Tony Demitriodis, who 449 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 5: was his manager for forty fifty years called said, who 450 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 5: are you. I'm the new guy at ABC. Well, you 451 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 5: pissed off my hartist. I did why? He said, you 452 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 5: told him you were going to break his career and 453 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 5: you know, ABC has done nothing for us for eight once. 454 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 5: And I kept going, I don't know this, I don't 455 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 5: know think about this eight month old thing. And anyway, 456 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 5: he hung up on me. And then Friday, Tom actually 457 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 5: called my assistant said Tom Petty's on the phone. I'm 458 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 5: kind of going out. Jeez, it's either going to be 459 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 5: another cursing out or whatever. I don't know. And he 460 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 5: called and it was just just a guy in a 461 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 5: Southern accident and going, John, it's Tom Petty. I just 462 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 5: want to apologize for throwing you out of the whiskey 463 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 5: the other night. My friends are telling me they're hearing 464 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: my record on the radio and I'd like to meet you, 465 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 5: And I said, how about tonight? I wrote scribbled down 466 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 5: his address because I had to go see this guy. Man. 467 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 5: He was like, you know, I've been listening to his 468 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 5: record for right now, two or three weeks in the 469 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: car home at work. It's all I had on just 470 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 5: Tom penny Hart records non stop and so we went 471 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 5: to his house and he had a big Confederate flag 472 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 5: in the hallway and I said, well, I'm a Southern boy, 473 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 5: I know what I know. You're from the South right anyway, 474 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 5: So we just talked little bit and went outside and 475 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 5: we did smoke a peace BikeE I'll call it because 476 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 5: of the whiskey thing. And now I asked Tom about 477 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 5: have you been in any other bands that I might know? 478 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 5: And he said, yeah, you never heard of them. They're 479 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 5: called mud Crutch. And I said, you mean the song 480 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 5: Deepot Street. He goes, how the hell do you know 481 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 5: Deepost Street. There's only three stations in America that played 482 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: that record, And I said Tom, I left radio, went 483 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 5: to work for MCA Records. Said one of the first 484 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 5: records that gave me was a song called Deepot Street 485 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 5: by mud Crutch, and I got it added on a station. 486 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 5: He said, well, like I said, there's only three stations 487 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 5: in America that played it. I said, well, I got 488 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 5: one of them. And I called my aunt my boss 489 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 5: and Los Angeles said, John, it's a single, there's no album. 490 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 5: Go work on Louison John's record. Forget about mud Crutch, 491 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 5: And I did. I forgot about him whatever. I don't 492 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 5: even know if I ever saw the forty five because 493 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 5: the writer depot she was Thomas Petty and said, look 494 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 5: back up when I got a copy of it. And anyway, 495 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 5: we he said, you do you know, mud Crutch, you 496 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 5: tell me, you tell me you're going to break my 497 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 5: career wide open. Yeah, And we kind of stared at 498 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 5: each other like something serendipitous was going on here, like 499 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 5: I was supposed to be in his life and he 500 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 5: was supposed to be in my life, and it was 501 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 5: it was kind of it was kind of a strange. 502 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 5: It's strange, strange in a good way. I said, you 503 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 5: got anything I can hear or new stuff you're working on? 504 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 5: He said, yeah, come on in and he played me 505 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: Listen to Her Heart and Mike Campbell's guitar opens that 506 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 5: thing up, and man, I'm you're hooked on the guitar 507 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 5: right away? And uh, I went, I asked him, played 508 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 5: it five times? I left and went back to ABC 509 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 5: the next day. I said, you guys got to hear 510 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 5: what he's kind of the can you won't believe it? 511 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 5: We don't care? Well, oh my god, seriously, come on, 512 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 5: come on. And so all of a sudden when Charlie 513 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 5: added the record, it started getting more and more airplay. 514 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 5: People were noticing it a little bit more, and I 515 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 5: was just on the phone banging away anybody. I would 516 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 5: call anybody, you know, I don't even care if they 517 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 5: were a classical station, I would have called him and 518 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 5: asked them if they knew Tom Betty and the Heartbreakers. 519 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 5: So there was nothing to be There was not going 520 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 5: to be a second album on ABC or Shelter. I 521 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 5: think it was on Shelter, but ABC distributed Shelter. But 522 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 5: there wasn't going to be a second album. They were 523 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 5: going to be dropped. All of a sudden, I brought 524 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 5: back listened to Her Heart, and all of a sudden, 525 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 5: every my ears perked up, and they re signed the 526 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: band for another album, and that came out I think 527 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 5: in seventy eight. I want to say, and it's called 528 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 5: You're going to Get It. I think it opened would 529 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 5: listen to Her Heart, and that's the song that Tom 530 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 5: said cocaine and it take away with your money and 531 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 5: your cocaine, And that's the song that ABC wanted to 532 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 5: be single. And if you change it to Champagne, we'll 533 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 5: put it as a single. No I'm not doing that. 534 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 5: Champagne is not as expensive as cocaine, and it was cocaine 535 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 5: that There's Sky had trying to get my wife anyway, 536 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 5: So whatever that was his tom, you know, he was 537 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 5: just he never backed down. The album came out, and 538 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 5: before that, Breakdown had been released. Right around when the 539 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 5: album came out, was around seventy seven, November seventy seven. 540 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 5: Breakdown came out as a single and did nothing, And 541 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 5: all of a sudden we had at number forty on 542 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 5: the Billboard charts and still had ninety stations not playing it. 543 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 5: And guess who consulted those ninety stations Burkeard Abrams and 544 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 5: Burkard Abrams. 545 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 4: Anyway, I love that, do you do? You remind Lee 546 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 4: Abrams of that to this. 547 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: Day always, and he's in my book. He's in my book, 548 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 5: and I tell the story, well the story. I said, well, 549 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 5: I've gotten as far as I can right now. I 550 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 5: should go out and hit these ninety stations or it's 551 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 5: top ten markets. And so I went to Dallas. My 552 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 5: first job was kt XQ and Tim Spencer, the morning DJ, 553 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 5: was also the program director and he wasn't off the 554 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 5: area yet. We're going to go to breakfast and he said, 555 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 5: just read billboard or something and then whatever. So open Billboard. 556 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 5: I knew that the album had just hit the charts 557 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 5: at one hundred and seventy seven. I said, I'm just 558 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 5: gonna have another look at this. This is beautiful. Opened 559 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 5: up Billboard. It was a circle around number one seventy seven. 560 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 5: I said, do not play. This is a John Scott 561 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 5: hype record. And I went, WHOA. I was so pissed 562 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 5: through the album the billboard across the room. I was hitting, 563 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 5: but he said I didn't do that as my consultant 564 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 5: Lee Abrams, and so I jumped on the plane to Atlanta. 565 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 5: I was going somewhere else. I said, I'm changing my plans. 566 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 5: I'm gonst see this guy, Lee Abrams, because I knew Lee, 567 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 5: but you know, he was in control of ninety stations 568 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 5: in America and would try to change the face of 569 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 5: what disc jockeys and program directors used to have the 570 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 5: ability to do is play what they wanted to play. 571 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 5: I just walked right in and said I want to 572 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 5: see Lee Abrams. And funny he was there and he 573 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 5: walked me in and I told him what I was doing, 574 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 5: and he said, well, let me think about this. Let's 575 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 5: have breakfast tomorrow morning and I'll think about it. I 576 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 5: I'm somewhat optimistic. And next morning he said, do you 577 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 5: think ABC would consider doing what they call the low 578 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 5: dough concerts where you station's one O three in the dial, 579 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 5: the tickets are dollar three? And I said, I don't know, 580 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 5: but I'll find out. He says, if they do, they 581 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 5: do ten of them for me. I'll add that record 582 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 5: all over my network across America, he said, And we 583 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 5: do have two stations playing it with a little bit 584 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 5: of a response to WKLS in Atlanta, Drew Murray and 585 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 5: one other station I can't remember, but anyway, Drew was 586 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 5: a friend of mine by chance. And so next morning 587 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 5: he comes out and I call ABC Records and they said, well, 588 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 5: we'll back it, because you know, it's getting starting to 589 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 5: pick up really good. It's getting when it gets to 590 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 5: forty and Billboard in the charts and been out for 591 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 5: eight months. There's not many records that come out eight 592 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 5: months later and all of a sudden they're a hit. 593 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 5: You know, eight months is a long time. They shit, 594 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 5: thirty seconds is a long time sometimes when you're in 595 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 5: the music business, right you listen to a record for 596 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 5: thirty seconds, does it? Anyway, we started doing these low 597 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 5: dough concerts and we'd get two thousand kids in an 598 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 5: auditorium or venue, concert venue, and they would come out 599 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 5: Tom Petty fans. And if anybody's ever been to a 600 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 5: Tom Petty concert, that's listening, you know exactly what I mean. 601 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 5: It's one of the greatest shows there is. And I mean, 602 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 5: of course there's Bruce and the Stones, but something about 603 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 5: Tom Petty concerts. He's such a prolific writer about things 604 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 5: that mean something to me and you it just simple, simple, 605 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 5: so but anyway, so we did the Dollar three shows 606 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 5: and Lee added director to the ninety stations, and I 607 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 5: can't remember where the album went up to, but it 608 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 5: definitely led to a second album being released. And I'm 609 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 5: I'm loving life because I'm traveling on the road to 610 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 5: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers in their bus now and 611 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 5: they got strict rules on the bus, no girls allowed. 612 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, how it is when an artist does 613 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 5: a concert, it takes an hour or so sometimes it 614 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 5: you know, calm down or debuzz themselves, not shure word, 615 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 5: and we would just sit around and listen to you. 616 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 5: I had a record player. We'd listen to forty fives 617 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 5: and talk about you know, the zombies or the birds 618 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 5: or whoever. Because he was a student of music. So 619 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 5: I was just in seventh heaven traveling with Tom. Every 620 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 5: show I saw, I was like, I felt like history 621 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 5: was being made. And I saw one show where he 622 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 5: did six encores and I've never seen a band do 623 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: six encores. And I went backstage and people were still 624 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 5: applauding for the seventh one. And I went backstage and 625 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 5: I said, Tom, there's still want more. He said, we 626 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 5: don't know any more songs. And that's one of the 627 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 5: reasons I love traveling with him, because they just were 628 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 5: such cool guys. I mean, every remember that band was 629 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 5: such a cool guy in his own way. 630 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: So John the live performance thing, I loved the sixth 631 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 3: the six encore story. It brings me to think about 632 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 3: another moment in Tom's history. That was in November of 633 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven when he started the legendary twenty night 634 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 3: residence see at the film Bore. 635 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 4: Tell me what you remember about that period. 636 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I went to one of the concerts 637 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 5: and I think they played twenty seven nights, and it 638 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 5: was Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers unfiltered. And then they're 639 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 5: a great cover band, as you know, they can cover 640 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 5: just about any song in the world and do it justice. 641 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 5: The thing they loved about playing the film Wars. They 642 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 5: could play anything they wanted to, nothing necessarily hits, and 643 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,959 Speaker 5: they would bring out They brought out Carl Perkins and 644 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 5: they were fans Sun Records, and sometimes Tom would just 645 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 5: turn around and play and name a song and the 646 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 5: band didn't know they were going to play it, and 647 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 5: they just they'd break into it and just cover it. 648 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 5: And that's what I always liked about Tom is they 649 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 5: could do any cover song of any any band. But 650 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 5: they just got to play what they wanted to play. 651 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 5: And it was a joyous time because they stayed in 652 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 5: this one hotel called the Miaco Hotel in San Francisco, 653 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 5: a Japanese hotel, and they were there for a full 654 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 5: month and every night was different, every show was different. 655 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 5: I think it was the time of their life, to 656 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 5: be quite honest with you, because they'd never been able 657 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 5: to do well. Play twenty seven nights one venue. And 658 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 5: Bill Graham, you know, he loved the band. He had 659 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 5: all kinds of stuff backstage. If you're a band playing 660 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 5: the film wore maybe know this. If they like basketball, 661 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 5: he'll have a basketball net up there before you shoot. 662 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 5: And I don't remember what he had up there for Tom. 663 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 5: Maybe some joints, I don't know, but like I said, 664 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 5: probably the greatest time they ever had as a band. 665 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 5: It was spontaneous and one song, a Chuck Berry song 666 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 5: in there, and in the middle of it, Tom starts 667 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 5: singing different lyrics to another check Berry song and you 668 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 5: can see them, remember the band kind of looking around 669 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 5: like what the hell is he doing? But they just 670 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 5: kept up. They right went right into it. But I 671 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 5: don't even know if there was a set list. I'm 672 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 5: sure there was, but they just played, like I said, 673 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 5: whatever they wanted to play. And I remember him telling me, 674 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 5: that's just the best time we've ever had so far 675 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 5: in this journey is playing the film war Because San 676 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 5: Francisco was one of the first stations that jumped onto 677 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 5: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and a lot of stations 678 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 5: around them, K T. I M and Paul Lobster Wells 679 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 5: that came with me and Kjo we're big fans. So 680 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 5: San Francisco was one of the hot spots for Tom. 681 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 5: It was like San Francisco, Boston, Chicago. I just remember 682 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 5: the night. I suppose that's where you just sat and 683 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 5: you just loved every song that he played. And one 684 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,240 Speaker 5: thing I loved about Tommy he also recorded every show, 685 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 5: most of them from the board, and you can go back, 686 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 5: and that's what such rich history that he had because 687 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 5: he recorded every show. 688 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 4: I loved the vivid stories. 689 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 5: Uh. 690 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 3: And I think the vivid stories will live in the 691 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 3: book Tom Petty and Me Your Journey with Him. Where 692 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 3: can folks get the book? 693 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: John? 694 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 5: And Well, it's on my website, tompettyanme dot com. And 695 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 5: I signed every book and I personalize every book. If so, 696 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 5: I wasn't personalized. 697 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 4: Thanks for keeping the flame burning, John. 698 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this special celebration of Tom Petty 699 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 2: on the Taking a Walk podcast. Please share this podcast 700 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 2: with your friends and find Taking a Walk on the 701 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.