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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking you tonight a dark day for crime victims and

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Speaker 2: women all over the world. Sean Combs aka Ditty has

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Speaker 2: been sentenced in a court of law to a measly

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Speaker 2: fifty months with time served that leaves just thirty six

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Speaker 2: months behind bars. Factor in good behavior, he'll be out

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Speaker 2: in no time. Judge, what were you thinking?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories and I want

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Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us. Well, we've seen

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Speaker 1: it now.

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Speaker 2: In the last moments, the judge has sentenced Shawn Combs

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Speaker 2: aka Didty aka Puffy aka Puff Daddy aka.

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Speaker 1: Love, on and on and on. It goes to woolf

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Speaker 1: whopping three years.

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Speaker 2: Why because he's getting credit for time served with me

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Speaker 2: an all star panel. I'm sure that the victims all

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Speaker 2: across the country, victims of rape, victims of abuse, are

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Speaker 2: taking to their beds and tears or angry at this hour.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder and director of Lynn's Warriors,

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Speaker 2: committed to fighting exploitation of women and girls, I feel

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Speaker 2: like taking my bed too.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it either, and I've been getting so

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Speaker 3: many text messages just in the last five minutes about this.

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Speaker 3: I was getting phone calls even last night. What do

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Speaker 3: I think?

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Speaker 1: What happen? Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I want everybody to take a breath. Though of course

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Speaker 3: we had the Warriors want at the maximum sentence. We're

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Speaker 3: not lawyers, but anything, anytime women, girls, poison men or

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Speaker 3: exploit it, we want that person held accountable. So here's

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Speaker 3: what I have to say about everything. At least he

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Speaker 3: got something.

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Speaker 1: Is it enough?

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Speaker 3: It'll never be enough in our warriors book, But you

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Speaker 3: know what, it's better than nothing because we have a

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Speaker 3: lot of people walking around that there is no accountability.

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Speaker 3: As far as we're concerned. Though, this was not just

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Speaker 3: about this case of Diddy. This was about more than

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Speaker 3: one man. It was really for victims and survivors of

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Speaker 3: any kind of sexual assault and abuse exploitation. Really about

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Speaker 3: would somebody of power, wealth, all this opportunity, would he

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Speaker 3: be held accountable? So we're gonna have a lot of

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Speaker 3: cleanup we'll be doing tonight and all weekend about this.

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Speaker 3: But at least everybody should remember right now, he's still

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Speaker 3: in jail. He's not doing speaking engagements and getting on

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Speaker 3: his airplane and leaving town laughing in everybody's faces. So

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Speaker 3: we have to remember there's still more to come with

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Speaker 2: You know, now that you put it like that, Linshaw,

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Speaker 2: I think you've got a really good point. People thought

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Speaker 2: Sean Comes would walk free, and you know what, he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's already done, going on two years behind bars, and

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Speaker 2: he's got three more to look at. The actual sentence

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Speaker 2: is fifty months behind bars, but when you subtract the

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Speaker 2: fourteen months he's already got, that's where we're getting thirty

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Speaker 2: six months left to serve. And you know what, she's

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Speaker 2: got a point straight up to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst

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Speaker 2: joining us from the La Jurisdiction author. You can see

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Speaker 2: her on Peacock Now and you can find her at

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, what do you

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Speaker 2: think about it? I'm shocked, Nancy.

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Speaker 4: I am gravely concerned that this short sentence is going

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Speaker 4: to have what we call a kindling effect, like using

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Speaker 4: kindling to make a fire. He's in just long enough

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Speaker 4: to contemplate his next move. As we already know, he's

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Speaker 4: probably putting out big feelers to start his empire. So

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Speaker 4: what is I got to think about in three years,

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Speaker 4: how to wreak vengeance on the victims, how to regain

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Speaker 4: control over everybody in his kingdom, how to reassemble his company.

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Speaker 4: This kind of a sentence is unfortunate because I do

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Speaker 4: consider him a sex offender, and sex offenders when they're

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Speaker 4: when they get out there more likely to offend. This

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Speaker 4: kind of a sentence is not a deterrent at all.

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Speaker 4: It is an accelerant. It is an accelerant on his

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Speaker 2: So, doctor Bethany, what about what Lann Shaw just said.

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Speaker 2: Because of his fame, his money, his high powered lawyers,

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Speaker 2: many people thought he would walk free. So is this

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Speaker 2: a symbolic victory? Okay, I think I know what Troy Slayton,

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Speaker 2: out of la What about.

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Speaker 5: It is like this was fair based on what he

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Speaker 5: the charges that would have kept him in jail for decades.

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Speaker 5: So the judge here is limited to the sentencing guidelines

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Speaker 5: based on what he was convicted of, which is only prostitution,

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Speaker 5: one thing that he's a one thing.

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Speaker 1: That is a choice lighton.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to school me in the sentencing guidelines.

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Speaker 2: He Shongcoms could have gotten I'm still hearing him up

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Speaker 2: to ten years on each count run consecutively. That could

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Speaker 2: have been a twenty year sentence.

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Speaker 1: That's are you telling me? That's not what the official.

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Speaker 2: Code says, because it is twenty years was a possible sentence?

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Speaker 5: Well, the prosecutors here were asking for eleven years, and

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Speaker 5: the judge said.

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Speaker 1: Did I just ask you?

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Speaker 2: You're trying to tell me what's an appropriate sentence under

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Speaker 2: the Man Act. But the sentences are too ten years

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Speaker 2: on each count.

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Speaker 5: But nobody gets that that might be what is possible.

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Speaker 1: You're avoiding the question.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what joining me right now is Sam Croupin,

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Speaker 2: who was in the courtroom through Wow. He's an investigative

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Speaker 2: journalist and he is the star of Sampson's World on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Sam Crouping, let me just start with a yes.

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Speaker 1: No from you. Isn't it true that sentencing.

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Speaker 2: Could have been up to ten years on each of

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Speaker 2: the two counts, which could have run consecutively.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 6: That was a.

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Speaker 1: Maximum sentence it could have gotten. Yes, okay, it was

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Speaker 1: like pulling it to and.

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Speaker 2: Sam, I gotta tell you something. I'm a JD, not

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Speaker 2: a DDS. I don't know how to pull teeth, but

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Speaker 2: give me a set of pliers and I won't be

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Speaker 2: happy to try. I want to hear what exactly happened

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Speaker 2: in court today because we're told that Diddy and his

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Speaker 2: defense team made him out to be the victim about

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Speaker 2: how much he has suffered, even bringing up a knee

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Speaker 2: ailment in his professional video.

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Speaker 1: Really a knee ailment, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: To be honest with you.

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Speaker 8: They showed him running his marathon barely making it across

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Speaker 8: the finish line in a little bit what felt like

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Speaker 8: a wedding video, and most people inside the courtroom felt

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Speaker 8: that Diddy's defense team was kind of Once the kids

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Speaker 8: had gone up and spoken, it was so emotional. There

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Speaker 8: was not a dry eye in the room of the

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Speaker 7: For their father back. But it's still it was just.

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Speaker 8: Not enough to sway judge of Bramanian at all, because

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Speaker 8: you know, he spoke up for women and victims all

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Speaker 8: throughout the world and said these were heinous crimes. The

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Speaker 8: probation had suggested sixty months. They gave him fifty months.

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Speaker 8: But with you know, his time served and good behavior,

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Speaker 8: people are saying he might only get about a year

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know what, I wish you had told me that.

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Speaker 2: But sorry, I heard you saying that the judge was

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Speaker 2: talking about sticking up for rape victims and assault victims.

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Speaker 1: Did you just say that.

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Speaker 2: And he cares so much about all these victims that

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Speaker 2: he gave Combs a slap on the wrist. I really

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but did you just say he could.

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Speaker 1: Walk in a little over a year.

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Speaker 8: I mean that is what people inside the courtroom are

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Speaker 8: saying that in first fifty months, it sounds like five years.

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Speaker 8: That is half of what the government would have liked,

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Speaker 8: Like you said, it could have been twenty years.

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Speaker 7: And I think this is.

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Speaker 8: A little bit of a slap, slap in the face

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Speaker 8: of the victims. Like you're saying, Nancy, that with good behavior,

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Speaker 8: his free Diddy game classes, he does time served, he's

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Speaker 8: looking at only a year and a half potentially.

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Speaker 2: You know, we h in the victims' rights community had

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Speaker 2: hoped for a serious sentence. Instead, Comes is going to

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Speaker 1: And according to many of the victims, they're afraid.

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Speaker 2: They are actually afraid of him seeking vengeance when he

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Speaker 2: gets out, and they should be. Did I just hear

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Speaker 2: you Sam Krupen state that the defense.

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Speaker 1: Video looked like a wedding video? Why did you say that?

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Speaker 8: I mean it just it looked like a wedding video.

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Speaker 8: It looked like somebody would play it like somebody's seventieth birthday.

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Speaker 8: Beautiful music, well edited. But the problem was is and

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Speaker 8: I was surprised at the defense. Every every lawyer got

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Speaker 8: light a little bit. Some people went on Miss Westmoreland Pride.

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Speaker 8: Some people viewed that as a little odd because as

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Speaker 8: a defense attorney, we should remain the you know, keep

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Speaker 8: our composure. So it was just after the kids spoke

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Speaker 8: like that's the light blows the show. But they kept

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Speaker 8: to give. He did say, this is a severe crime

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Speaker 8: that deserves a severe sentence.

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Speaker 7: And to your point, Nancy, it's not that severe of a.

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Speaker 8: Sentence, even though he told us he was giving a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm very perplexed by what the judge said,

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Speaker 2: going on and on and on about what awful crimes

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Speaker 2: had been committed. And at the very beginning he made

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Speaker 2: it clear that he the judge, could take into account

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Speaker 2: the charges for which Comes was acquitted, the sex trafficking charges,

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Speaker 2: but apparently he didn't, so he really just fussed out

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Speaker 2: Comes and then gave him a slap on the wrist.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of the so called wedding video, let's take

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Speaker 2: a look at the video that the court saw where

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Speaker 2: we're actually hearing Comes whining about his knee injury.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he's really devoted and dedicated himself to running.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's had some knee problems and.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people don't think he's going to finish.

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Speaker 10: He is going to finish, even if he has to

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Speaker 10: do it on one leg, because he's raised a lot

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Speaker 10: of money for kid's charities.

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Speaker 4: And he's not going to let all those people.

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Speaker 2: Down his knee injury, okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall, His knee

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Speaker 2: injury did not stop him from videoing women and all

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Speaker 2: sorts of sex positions while they were drugged, From beating

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Speaker 2: them mercilessly, from dragging them up and down the hallway

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Speaker 2: of the Intercontinental Hotel. That's the video that Judge should

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Speaker 2: have been thinking about.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's see, he had enough stamina to beat women,

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Speaker 4: to rape allegedly rape women, to throw freak offs that

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Speaker 4: lasted twenty thirty hours, to line up physicians and nurses

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Speaker 4: to give treatment to the victims after these parties were over.

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Speaker 4: Let's see, he had the energy to call and call

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Speaker 4: and call and bully and threatened his girlfriends. He had

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Speaker 4: enormous amounts of energy, Nancy, And he can't run a marathon.

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Speaker 4: I'm wondering if he is detoxing or this is a

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Speaker 4: part of his drug addiction, which he refers to in

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Speaker 1: Sam, is it true that the defense.

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Speaker 2: Painted Shawn Comb's as the victim in this scenario?

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Speaker 1: And I think I've got this straight.

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Speaker 2: The Shawn cohmbs stood up and said, I finally have

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Speaker 2: Well, Sam, obviously you and I are both wrong because

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Speaker 2: I'm checking my math because it's hard for me to

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Speaker 1: Thirty six months with time served, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say, but they portrayed

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Speaker 3: I had Kiddus trophy.

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Speaker 1: I want one of the best Person trophy.

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Speaker 9: And I know in order for me to get into heaven,

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Speaker 1: Will come on in heaven. You had twenty hit records.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean nothing.

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Speaker 7: And that's what this world is for.

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Speaker 9: Let's say, oh, come on in heaven, you was a

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Speaker 1: The Best Person award.

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter and distant Sam Cupan at the courthouse. Sidney's

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Speaker 2: been on the case from the very beginning. Sidney, can

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Speaker 2: Father of the Year, although he used his children a lot.

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Speaker 1: Being a good dad? What a good dad?

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Speaker 2: He didn't live with the children, He didn't support that,

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Speaker 1: He did pay for them, that's true.

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Speaker 2: He was too busy having freak coughs that lasted two

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Speaker 2: He daddy wasn't there, but he sure as heck used

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Speaker 1: Including you, judge.

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Speaker 2: You need a refreshing of your recollection what came out

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Speaker 11: Dancy, The first thing that comes to mind for me

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Speaker 10: Came out at trial and shocking to me.

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Speaker 10: He claimed that he had no idea he hurt her.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just curious about what sticks with you

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Speaker 1: With the moment that.

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Speaker 2: That's something that sticks with me. Then you've got the

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Speaker 1: The judge forgot about, Lynshaw. Yeah, and I think the.

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Speaker 3: Judge also forgot about all of the victims of one

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Speaker 3: Shawn Combs and everything you just described. The one thing

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Speaker 3: This is the playbook we see in court. It is

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Speaker 1: The talk of a pimp. He is a pimp.

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Speaker 3: So I want to know when are we going to

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Speaker 7: I am very worried.

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Speaker 3: I have so much of a heavy heart tonight about

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Speaker 2: He is the star of Sampson's World on YouTube and

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Speaker 2: he's been on the case from the very beginning. Joining

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Speaker 2: us from the courthouse tonight, Sam, again, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Is it true that after one lawyer

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Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed for her, Westmoreland breaks down and starts crying

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Speaker 2: and snotting in court?

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Speaker 1: Then you have another wait?

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was with Morland that also said there should

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Speaker 2: When the sentence went down, Sam, when the sentence went

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 8: No, it was it was oddly very quiet. There wasn't

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Speaker 7: But no, people were not celebrating at all. And I

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Speaker 8: Was interesting the way Judge of Romanian delivered it was

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Speaker 8: you know, Chad, you really had these great things, like

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Speaker 8: you did. However, you did all these awful things, and

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Speaker 7: It was almost a slap in the face.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, Hey, Sam, isn't it true that Mia,

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Speaker 1: What did the letter say? Whatever it was was enough

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Speaker 7: Of course.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean you can imagine for any of these

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Speaker 8: I saw these women. It was gut wrenching testimony. Cassie

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Speaker 2: Know, and the judge had this in the palm of

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Speaker 1: The right thing, and sadly, federal judges are appointed for life.

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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Sidney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter,

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Speaker 2: Let's do another reality check. Mia was intimidated and scared

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Speaker 11: If we remember from trial, Mia was a former sent

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Speaker 11: times and even raped her three times while.

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Speaker 10: She was under his employe. Na said that she was

445
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Speaker 10: not allowed to leave colms home without.

446
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Speaker 11: His express permission, like she wasn't.

447
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Speaker 10: Allowed to clock out and go home, but she was not.

448
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Speaker 10: She was also not allowed to lock doors, so when

449
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Speaker 10: she went to sleep on a Holm's home, she wasn't

450
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Speaker 10: allowed to lock the door behind her and she woke

451
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Speaker 10: up one morning to Colmbs on top of her, raping her.

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Speaker 10: She described another situation where she was packing for Colms

453
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Speaker 10: to go on a trip and he attacked her while

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Speaker 10: she was in his closet packing his clothes.

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Speaker 11: She described one more physical assault from Calms on her

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Speaker 11: directly where he snatched herself phone and ran into a

457
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Speaker 11: men's bathroom, and she was worried that he would come

458
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Speaker 11: across text messages where she was complaining about him, so

459
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Speaker 11: she was trying to get her phone back, and he

460
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Speaker 11: slammed her arm in a door so hard she thought

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Speaker 11: he had broken it, and then calmly came out of

462
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Speaker 11: the bathroom a few minutes later, gave her her phone

463
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Speaker 11: back and said he had sent himself for nude photos

464
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Speaker 11: so that he had blackmail if she ever upset him

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Speaker 11: in the future. Mia was also there when Colmes attacked

466
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Speaker 11: Passy in a bedroom and gave her that gash on

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Speaker 11: her forehead that needed.

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Speaker 1: Chichis Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to hear about the letter sent

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Speaker 2: by Combs's defense trashing the victim.

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Speaker 12: Mark Agnifhillo insists that Mia is not a victim of

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Speaker 12: anything in her entire testimony at trial. As an outright

473
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Speaker 12: line down to her voice and demeanor on the stand,

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Speaker 12: prosecutors can see that Mia is not a victim of

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Speaker 12: the crimes alleged in Comb's convictions, but super money and

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Speaker 12: allows the statement We've got.

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Speaker 2: So much more to say about the judge's weak sentence

478
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Speaker 2: on Sean Comb's but now straight out to doctor Dwayne Hendrix,

479
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Speaker 2: joining us former warden at MDC in Brooklyn, also warden

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Speaker 2: and Sheridan Oregon, author of Who Are.

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Speaker 1: You See It?

482
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Speaker 2: Say It Sees It, and he is the founder of

483
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Speaker 2: the New Daylight Foundation. Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, What will Combs

484
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Speaker 2: is first.

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Speaker 1: Night be like at the MDC.

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Speaker 2: I understand he's having spaghetti and meatballs, green beans and

487
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Speaker 2: salad tonight.

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Speaker 6: Oh, there's gonna be some very cold green beans spaghetti tonight.

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Speaker 7: I can say that.

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Speaker 6: I'm hoping that he doesn't really end up on a suice.

491
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Speaker 6: I watched this time because I understand that he has

492
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Speaker 6: some speaking engagements that he arranged in Miami next week

493
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Speaker 6: because I guess he thought he was going to get

494
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Speaker 6: that fourteen month sentence from time Sir. So he's going

495
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 6: to have a lot of soul searching and tomorrow I'm

496
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Speaker 6: hoping that his family comes and visits with him, because

497
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 6: he's probably going to be I know he's feeling real

498
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 6: defeated right now because I honestly believe he really thought

499
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Speaker 6: that he could outsmart.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think he thought.

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Speaker 6: I thought he thought he could out.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be out max thirty six months, and

503
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Speaker 2: that will probably be cutting down for good behavior. Please defeated. No, No,

504
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: he's not feeling defeated. Well, of course, you know what,

505
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, Let's analyze what Hindicks

506
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: just said. For Shawn comes not to get what he

507
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: wants when when it wants spaghetti. He probably does feel defeated.

508
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't understand he got a gift on a silver

509
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Speaker 2: platter on top of the Christmas tree handed to him

510
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Speaker 2: by the.

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Speaker 1: Judge in the last hours.

512
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Speaker 2: He probably is saying, poor penifol me because I forgot

513
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Speaker 2: all about him, Nancy.

514
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Speaker 4: He feels sorry for himself. He thought that he was

515
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Speaker 4: the ring leader of the circus of filth and he

516
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Speaker 4: could get away.

517
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Speaker 7: With whatever he wanted.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what one of his daughters testified to

519
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: She said that she felt she was finally going to

520
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Speaker 4: get her dad back, something to that effect, which implies

521
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Speaker 4: to me that Daddy was never there. As you were

522
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: pointing out earlier, he was not there.

523
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Speaker 7: He was at Freakoff's.

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Speaker 4: You know, Nancy, I think that what I'm seeing happening

525
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Speaker 4: in this courtroom today is evil. There's no other word

526
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Speaker 4: for it. I think it's a profound dissociation on the

527
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Speaker 4: part of the judge from the reality of women and

528
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: men being abused. It's a man in authority not really

529
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Speaker 4: thinking about the victims. And we're not just talking about

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Speaker 4: the mental states of the victory. We're talking about real

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Speaker 4: physical safety and in terms of just dissociating from the

532
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Speaker 4: reality of what happened. I mean, I was just listening

533
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: right now to what you were saying. I mean, you're

534
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Speaker 4: talking about raping somebody, taking pictures of them and blackmailing them,

535
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Speaker 4: having a woman gang raped to the point where she

536
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: has mouth sores and chronic infections, giving money, taking it away,

537
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Speaker 4: slamming a woman against a table. It's like, have we

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Speaker 4: all lost our minds together our judicial system, thinking that

539
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: this is in any way appropriate. I worry that this

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Speaker 4: judge might be what we call offender identified, meaning that

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Speaker 4: there's something about the sexual crimes. I mean, I don't

542
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: know this judge, but there's something about the sexual crimes

543
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Speaker 4: that really don't seem like that big deal to him.

544
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Speaker 4: I'm very, very worried about that.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we also know, believe it or not, that Comes

546
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Speaker 2: had arranged a speaking AI engagement in Miami for next week.

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Speaker 12: Listen prosecutor. Slavic tells the judge the pre sentencing reports

548
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Speaker 12: suggested sentence of sixty months does not adequately account for

549
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Speaker 12: the separate harms done to Cassie and Jane, informing him

550
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Speaker 12: her office stands by their request for one hundred and

551
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Speaker 12: thirty five months. Slavik calls Comb's respect for the law

552
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 12: lip service, revealing Combs has booked speaking engagements in Miami

553
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Speaker 12: as early as next week. Supermanian reminds the parties of

554
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 12: the federal guidelines for the charges, saying he sees no

555
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Speaker 12: reason to deviate from the recommended seventy to eighty seven

556
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Speaker 12: months between six and seven years behind bars.

557
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Speaker 2: Sam Coupon joining us, star of Samson's World on YouTube.

558
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Speaker 2: He's been on this case from the very very beginning,

559
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Speaker 2: joining us from the courthouse tonight.

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Speaker 1: Sam.

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Speaker 2: He actually had a speaking engagement set for next week

562
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Speaker 2: in Miami.

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Speaker 7: Hang on, hang on, Nan, let me just throw a

564
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Speaker 7: legal term at you.

565
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Balls the size of coconuts sound.

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Speaker 7: Now, Hold on, Nancy.

567
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Speaker 8: It is not a speaking engagement, as Brian Steele said,

568
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Speaker 8: it is a teaching engagement.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so let's get the right language here.

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Speaker 8: They were very specific. It was not speaking like he

571
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Speaker 8: was getting paid. They had it set up for Monday.

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Speaker 7: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 8: They really thought he was coming out that he was

574
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Speaker 8: going to be able to go to Miami and do

575
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Speaker 8: a speaking engagement on Monday. And like I said, they

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Speaker 8: called it teaching engagement. You see how carefully they choose

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Speaker 8: the words. But when they had said that, when miss

578
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 8: Slavic announced that he had a speaking engagement, the whole

579
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Speaker 8: courtroom was like, EO, I think he's getting a little

580
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Speaker 8: too far ahead of himself.

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Speaker 1: So he was so confident that he was going to

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Speaker 1: walk today.

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Speaker 2: He had a speaking slash teaching engagement Monday in Miami

584
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Speaker 2: set up, and I guarantee you be a big pr

585
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Speaker 2: evan how he.

586
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Speaker 1: Has changed his life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Troy slightly joining me LA criminal defense attorney? What

588
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: about that, Troy a speaking engagement on Monday?

589
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Speaker 5: I think that was probably a little bit optimistic on

590
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: behalf of Diddy and his handlers. But I think what

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Speaker 5: I'm hearing from all of your other guests about how

592
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Speaker 5: upset you are and how upset everybody is about what

593
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Speaker 5: you perceive to be a light sentence here based on

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Speaker 5: things like rape and all these parade of horribles that

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Speaker 5: everyone has mentioned, including doctor Marshall, who I appreciate, and

596
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Speaker 5: Revere saying something about the get the pace.

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Speaker 4: Saying something about the judge being.

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Speaker 1: Please get to your point.

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Speaker 5: The point is that despite the parade of horribles from

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Speaker 5: all your other guests, he was sentenced for what he

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Speaker 5: was convicted of.

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Speaker 4: He was not convicted of rape. He was not convicted

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Speaker 4: for all these.

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Speaker 2: Other Okay, let me remind you of what the judge

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Speaker 2: said at the get go. Okay, the judge said he

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Speaker 2: the judge could take into account all of the previous charges,

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Speaker 2: whether acquittals or not.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 12: Reviewing the pre sentencing report, Judge Supermanian finds the court

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Speaker 12: can consider ac quitted conduct while forming a sentence a

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Speaker 12: loss for Combs. Supermanian also rules Cassie Jane and the

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00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 12: numerous hired male escorts are in fact victims. Supermanian denies

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Speaker 12: the defense objection to the report's finding Combs has not

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00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 12: taken responsibility for his actions, highlighting that Comb still full

615
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 12: throatedly challenges his factual guilt. Supermanian also includes a coercion enhancement,

616
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Speaker 12: citing Comb's threats to release freak off videos.

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Speaker 2: Even from behind bars, Sam Krupin joining us with the

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Speaker 2: court House. Shawn Comes was reprimanded and his lawyers as

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Speaker 2: well for trying to influence witnesses from behind bars. You

620
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Speaker 2: don't think he's going to seek vengeance now on everyone

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Speaker 2: that spoke out against him.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. Maybe if he had.

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Speaker 8: Gotten that eleven year sentence or twenty year I would say, yes, Nancy,

624
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Speaker 8: he's going to be in like that Adam Sandler movie

625
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 8: Steve Boucemi, you know, crossing off the lift of everybody

626
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Speaker 8: who wronged him.

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Speaker 7: But I feel because he's only getting around a year

628
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Speaker 7: and a half a slap on the wrist.

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Speaker 8: Like we said, I don't think he's going to be

630
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Speaker 8: so vengeful because I think he's seeing light at the

631
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Speaker 8: end of the tunnel. If he wasn't seeing light at

632
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Speaker 8: the end of the tunnel, then I would totally agree

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Speaker 8: with you that, Yes, I think he would make a

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Speaker 8: list and go after everybody who wronged him.

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Speaker 2: Is it true, Sam Creupin that in court, the defense claimed, Hey,

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Speaker 2: the reason all this happened is because did he's actually

637
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Speaker 2: been high for twenty four years?

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Speaker 7: That's a defense pretty much.

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Speaker 8: They said he's been a drug addict for twenty five years.

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Speaker 8: It made him a erradic, It made him do all

641
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Speaker 8: these things. Did He even said in his testimony that

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Speaker 8: he was a drug addict and that was not him.

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Speaker 8: His kids testify to saying, look, he's been sober the

644
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Speaker 8: last fourteen months, the first time he's been sober off

645
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 8: opiates and the Obama, Maali and all the different stuff

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Speaker 8: that he was on.

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Speaker 7: But again it's forced sobriety.

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Speaker 8: Nancy, right, do you think had that hotel video not

649
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Speaker 8: come out, had he not get caught, as a judge said,

650
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Speaker 8: would the drug use have stopped? This is just Look,

651
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Speaker 8: if anybody is forced to go to jail and has

652
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Speaker 8: a drug or alcohol problem, you're gonna have to sober

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Speaker 8: up one way or the other.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was looking at Sam the video that

655
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Speaker 2: he submitted to the court, and I'm gonna play a

656
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Speaker 2: little bit of that just a moment, sure, But instead

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Speaker 2: of making me feel positively toward Combs, it made me

658
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: feel the opposite because I saw all of the advantages,

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Speaker 2: all of the money, all of the opportunities that he had,

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Speaker 2: but yet he squandered it in the worst way, doing

661
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 2: unspeakable acts. You know, most people don't have the money

662
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Speaker 2: and the advantage and the privilege that Combs had, the

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Speaker 2: family to love, the beautiful mansions, the cars, the private

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Speaker 2: jit he had, all of that sand Instead of using

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Speaker 2: it for anything good, he used it for pure evil.

666
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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I mean show, you know, show.

667
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 8: You know they always say, like give a man money

668
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 8: and see who he really is. And I think we

669
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 8: saw this love sick, drunk on power. I think we

670
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 8: see as Americans and our culture we idolize celebrities just

671
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 8: because we love a lot of the music and the

672
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 8: entertainment he's brought us. We still need to understand that

673
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 8: what he did to women. It's disgusting that the Cassie

674
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 8: Ventura Intercontinental video is something that will stay in all

675
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 8: of our minds and will scar us forever. Every time

676
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 8: they play that. It took your stomach out. You know,

677
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 8: it's just so this, you know, it's just disgusting anytime

678
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 8: a man talks down to a woman or lifts a

679
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Speaker 8: hand to a woman. It is just something that I

680
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 8: have no patience for.

681
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 7: And I agree to you.

682
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 8: You know, we we let him get away with this

683
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 8: because we want to.

684
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Speaker 7: We don't. We don't want to hate our idols.

685
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 8: You know, it's this celebrity brings a whole new thing.

686
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 8: If he wasn't a celebrity, we could probably all agree

687
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Speaker 8: to throw the key away, you know, lock him up

688
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 8: and throw the keyway. But I think so many people

689
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 8: are so emotionally. I mean, look at the video kicking

690
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Speaker 8: a woman. I mean it's despicable behavior. And as the

691
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 8: government was saying, this is the real Sean Combs, that

692
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Speaker 8: eleven minute wedding video that we've seen that was well orchestrated,

693
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 8: well edited, looked like a night commercial almost, that's something

694
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Speaker 8: you play at a super Bowl.

695
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Speaker 7: To me, it felt a.

696
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Speaker 8: Little inappropriate that they even let that video be played

697
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Speaker 8: in the court, because they didn't let a video be

698
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 8: played of all of Cassie's highlights and her being a

699
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Speaker 8: mother and all the wonderful things she did.

700
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Speaker 7: We just got to see.

701
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 8: Sean Combe celebrated, and frankly, I thought it.

702
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 7: On the defense, it was kind of a mistake and

703
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 7: a little bit inappropriate.

704
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Speaker 8: I thought they should have given themselves the light and

705
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 8: gotten out. You know, it was a comedian When they

706
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 8: stay on stage too long, we call that a bomb.

707
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Speaker 7: And that's a little bit of what's starting to happen

708
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 7: with the defense. But like you said, it worked, so

709
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Speaker 7: maybe you know their tactics work.

710
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Speaker 2: It worked, and he really really used his children.

711
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what he said.

712
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Speaker 9: So instead of telling them about the guns in the violence,

713
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 9: I was always telling about a bit of life. Places

714
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 9: we didn't go before. Things we never wore, cause, rural

715
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 9: houses we never lived in. I think I brought an

716
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 9: aspiration to hip hop, try to take it out of

717
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 9: just being street. Oh so it was a fantasy and

718
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 9: a dream, my dream that I always felt would come true.

719
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Speaker 2: Is anybody hearing this, because what we hear him say

720
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: right there, the aspirations a better life.

721
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: Places we didn't go.

722
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: Things, we never wore, cars, we never drove houses, we

723
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: never lived in all material things.

724
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Speaker 1: That's the aspiration is to wear nice.

725
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: Clothes, live in mansions, dry fancy cars. I mean, I

726
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: pray to God, that is not what I'm teaching my children.

727
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: I want them to know how to be good people, to.

728
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: Love the Lord, to help other people, to be kind

729
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: and patient. Not what car I didn't drive, what mansion

730
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Speaker 2: I didn't live in, what designer close?

731
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Speaker 1: Where this is all best awkwards?

732
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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: No, I say, you know Nancy, it's like the simple

734
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 8: teachings of Jesus. I'm Jewish, but you know, even I know,

735
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Speaker 8: do unto others as you want done to yourself.

736
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Speaker 7: You reap what you sew. And I think, just like.

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Speaker 8: You said, Nancy, I have sons, and there is there's

738
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Speaker 8: and then I've totally failed them as a father if

739
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Speaker 8: they could ever talk down and lift a hand to

740
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Speaker 8: a woman.

741
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Speaker 7: And you know, yeah, this is just I mean, this is.

742
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Speaker 8: Something like you mentioned all the material things, the cars,

743
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Speaker 8: the mansions. I think this is a deeper problem with

744
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 8: American culture is we celebrate millionaires.

745
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 7: You know, I've had a lot before you.

746
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: Go off on American culture.

747
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: And reminder, Sam, you and I both have the same lord,

748
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: regardless of where we.

749
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 7: Exactly.

750
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Speaker 1: Sam got a question. The children were in.

751
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: Court, correct, Yeah, I heard that they were squirming around

752
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: as the prosecution was describing what was done to the victims.

753
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Speaker 7: I mean, look the kids.

754
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Speaker 8: I really feel for the kids when they gave their statements.

755
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 8: When the twins got up there, they were begging for.

756
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Speaker 7: Their father back.

757
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 8: So as a father, you know, I mean, I don't

758
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 8: I didn't see them squirming around so much like you're saying.

759
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 8: I mean, I think everybody's been pretty respectful in the courtroom.

760
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Speaker 7: And when all the.

761
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 8: Kids got up there, what I saw was honestly children

762
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 8: who loved their father and and they were begging for

763
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Speaker 8: their father to come home.

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Speaker 7: And I, honestly I was tearing up. It was. It

765
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Speaker 7: was very emotional.

766
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Speaker 8: But no, I didn't see them necessarily fidgeting around or

767
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 8: being disrespectful at all. I think people are very careful

768
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Speaker 8: in that courtroom to watch your expressions. I mean, if

769
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 8: you start to fall asleep, if you're chewing gum, they

770
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 8: come right up to you and they will kick you out.

771
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Speaker 7: Of the courtroom.

772
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Speaker 8: So they don't they don't really take a lot of

773
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 8: you know, hums and odds in there.

774
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Speaker 2: I want to hear what he said in this video

775
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: about his children.

776
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: Listen today.

777
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 9: Now, I'm a full time dad and I'm gonna be

778
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 9: there for you.

779
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Speaker 4: Do everything all of y'all.

780
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 8: Every Sunday.

781
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: I got to slow everything down.

782
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 8: The family, Richard getting family and each other makes the

783
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 8: drugs watching church there.

784
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 2: Is a definition of it looks good, okay, More about

785
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: being a good dad to doctor Bethany Marshall all those

786
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: nights all over the world taping free coughs with him

787
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: butt naked, wearing a burka over his head.

788
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Speaker 1: You know, where was.

789
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: He then, who was taking care of his children? I mean,

790
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 2: I just find that he's using his.

791
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: Children to try and get a light sentence, and guess what,

792
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: it worked.

793
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 4: It did work, Nancy. You know, when I saw that

794
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: video earlier today, I thought, this is just one more manipulation,

795
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: but this time the attorneys are participating in it. And

796
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: this is how he seduced his victims in the first place.

797
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: He was manipulative. You know, I remember seeing a video

798
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: at the beginning of all of this at one of

799
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 4: his three cops that was on a ship and his

800
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 4: sons were there. So he involved and incorporated his sons

801
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 4: into these sex parties.

802
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 7: That is not a good dad.

803
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: And the reason those kids are crying is because their

804
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: dad rejected and abandoned them a long time ago, and

805
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: they had been led to believe by the court, by

806
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: the court that if they just put themselves out there

807
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: and speak honestly about wanting their dad back, that their

808
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: wish would be granted.

809
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking about the sentence and what it

810
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: means to not only the victims in this case, but

811
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: rape victims and abuse victims all over the world, linn Shaw,

812
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: what does it mean?

813
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: It means to them abject failure. What happened today today

814
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: was an opportunity for this judge. Can you imagine, Nancy,

815
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: if he gave a really diff sentence to Shawn Colmes

816
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: to ditty, how that would have reverberated? Finally, victims would

817
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: say somebody somebody, because it's the same words all the time.

818
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: Somebody of wealth and power always wins over us. If

819
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: this judge really stuck to his guns, and it seemed,

820
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: you know, during the day he was going to be

821
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 3: a little stiffer in the sentence and he wasn't, that

822
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: would have really meant so much to victims. They could

823
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: finally say, we have somebody being held accountable. We are winning.

824
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Speaker 3: I have always said, this is not just about Shawn

825
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: Colms this case. It was about not just this one man.

826
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Speaker 7: It was overall.

827
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Speaker 3: And I'm really sick and tired of our society. It's

828
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: the justice system, and it's also society normalizing and becoming

829
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: habituated to these horrific crimes. I mean, do you hear

830
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: what we're talking about? Urinating in mouths, dragging, beating, sores, infections.

831
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Speaker 3: We're talking about horrible things that's just rolling off our tongues.

832
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 3: So society's becoming habituated. In the meantime, we are forgetting

833
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: about the victims. I don't care what sentence and guides are.

834
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Speaker 2: You're talking about a big societal problem. I'm talking about

835
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: a real, concrete problem, and that is this sentence. Yeah,

836
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you right now, wherever they are, the

837
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: defense attorneys are all together, and that they're at a

838
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: five star restaurant and they are celebrating. They're like the

839
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: pigs around the table in animal farm, celebrating the mistreatment

840
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: of others. And you know what, he may have a

841
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: light sentence, he may, but when he gets out, he

842
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: will be having supper with Satan. I'm telling you what

843
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: he did will never be forgotten. And I pray that

844
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: he does come out of jail a changed person. But

845
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, you look at his

846
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: track record. Tonight, on this dark night, for crime victims

847
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: and women all over the world, we stop and we

848
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: remember heroes, heroes that, against all odds, in the face

849
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: of likely defeat, continue to.

850
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Speaker 1: Come forward and let their voices be heard. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off good night friend,