1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: What an audience. I think they're better than yesterday. Wow, Yeah, 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: I think so. And that's saying a lot, but packed 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: house once again here at the bar. We'll be back 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: here tomorrow morning as well. And people say what time 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: should we show up? I would say a couple hours 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: before we get started. Some people shown up at three 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: point thirty four in the morning to get in here. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: But thank you for taking time off to join us 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: here in our mobile man Cave of sorts eight seven 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: seven three DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com, 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: Twitter handle a DP show. We'll talk to Kurt Warner. 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: He'll stop by Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network analyst. He'll be 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: working the draft tonight with NFL Network with Rich Eisen 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: and company. And he's the one who came out with 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: the comment and I want to ask him about this 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: where he said that Cleveland Browns are taking Travis Hunter, 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: but he would major in offense minor in defense, which 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: is opposite or counter to what I think we've been told. 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: All Right, poll question for the final hour of the program, 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: we do have our NFL hot takes at These are 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: the bold proclamations. Matt Miller was just here, the ESPN 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: Draft analyst. He said, his hot take is Shadoor Sanders 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: not taken in the first round, So we'll have that 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: so poll question here. 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: See, it's crazy to me that shadur Can is either 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: going like second or second rounds O real consensus. 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have up there right now. 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: Better NFL Draft day trade Jerry Rice or Patrick Mahomes dot. 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: I don't think people remember that Jerry Rice was traded 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: for by the Niners, but everybody remembers with Patrick Mahomes. 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: Right now, the results of that are fifty three forty seven. 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: I want to guess I'm going to say, because Rice 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: is the greatest receiver of all time, they would say. 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: He would have forty seven. Yeah, yeah, Patrick Mahomes. Right now, 37 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: it's been going a little closer to fifty to fifty, 38 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: but right now he's ticking up at fifty three percent. 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: our streaming partner and our radio affiliates around the country, Marvin, 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: I'll start with you. The scalding hot take for the 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: draft is going to be what. 43 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: Tyler Warren will be drafted by the New England Patriots 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: at number four. 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: Wownd State tight end. Okay, correct, all right. 46 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart will go in the first round of the 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 4: draft tonight. 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 5: Okay to the La Rams Okay, okay, interesting, all right, Todd. 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 6: The Broncos, who unbeknownst to me have a first round. 50 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: Hot take you're the hot take is that the Broncos 51 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: have a first john draft pick and you didn't know it. 52 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 7: They will move up from the twenty spot tonight to 53 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 7: select Ashton genty, so a Boise State Bronco becomes a 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 7: Denver Bronco. 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 6: The Cowboys move up from twelve to. 56 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 7: Grant Penn State tight and Tyler Warren, hoping for the 57 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 7: next Jason Witten or j Novachek. 58 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: Okay, joined down name drop it uh seatan, how about you? 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: Let's see to a tongue of Ilo will be traded 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: tonight to either the Saints, Giants forty nine ers or Steelers. 61 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 6: Wow. 62 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: And NFL sac lader Trey Hendrickson will be traded tonight, 63 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: okay to either the Packers, Lions, or Commanders. 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Let's go Packers, Yeah, go, pack go, They'll pack go 65 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: all right, PAULI. 66 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 8: I think Seaton's got this those are pretty pretty scalding. 67 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 9: I'm gonna go. 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 8: The Patriots trade the fourth pick. They trade out at 69 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 8: the fourth pick with the Bears. The Bears have ten. 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 8: The Bears will trade up the four to get Abdua Carter, 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 8: who slips to the fourth pick, My second one, less 72 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 8: warm Jackson Dart will go ninth to the Saints. 73 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: Day Marvin's are pretty good. I mean, Seaton's throwing in 74 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: the too a tongue of ioloa. I mean, that's scalding. 75 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: And then Trey Hendrickson of the Bengals gets trade as well. 76 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: There's two big trades right there. Yeah they are. Yeah, Yeah, Tonight, 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: why don't we bring in an expert here, Kurt Warner 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: joining us the Hall of Famer. NFL Networks coverage first 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: round of the draft coming up tonight at eight eastern. 80 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: As we make way for Kurt Warner, Homo Programs going. 81 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 6: On, Let's go home my money. 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: You weren't drafted, but I'm wondering if you would have 83 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: had been the last pick, if you had been mister irrelevant, 84 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: would that have worked against you more than just being 85 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: a free agent where you would had that label that 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: you would be mister irrelevant the rest of your career. 87 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 7: That's a great question. I think the difference always becomes 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 7: when you're picked that late you have to go to 89 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 7: the particular team that drafted you, where if you become 90 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 7: a free agent, there's usually four or five different teams 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 7: where you get the opportunity to, at least in your mind, think, oh, well, 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 7: I can pick and choose what the best situation is 93 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 7: for me. But I think as a player, you always think, well, 94 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 7: if I'm drafted, that gives me a better chance to 95 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 7: make the team because they invested a pick in me. 96 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 6: But I don't know. 97 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 7: It didn't work out for me the way that it 98 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 7: you know, as a free agent, so I'm not sure 99 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 7: it would have been much better either way. 100 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: Okay, but how do you pick your team that you 101 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: want to actually try to make well? 102 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 6: I mean, for instance, I picked the Packers. 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 7: I picked the Green Bay team, and the reason that 104 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 7: I picked them was because they only had. 105 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 6: Three quarterbacks on the roster. 106 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 7: Now, they were good quarterbacks and far of Brunel and 107 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 7: Dat Murra Heisman Trophy winner, but my mindset was, if 108 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 7: they're only going to invite four guys to camp, I 109 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 7: only have to beat out one of them, or if 110 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 7: something happens or if one of these guys is traded, 111 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 7: there's a better chance for me to make the team 112 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 7: there then to go to a team. I think San 113 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 7: Diego at the time had six guys coming to camp, 114 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 7: and you know, being a free agent, I like, Okay, 115 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 7: how many reps am I going to get? What kind 116 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 7: of chance am I going to get to make the team. 117 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 7: So that was my mindset at the time, even though 118 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 7: they were good players. Hey, I feel like I have 119 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 7: a better chance to get some reps and maybe showcase 120 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 7: what I can do if I went to the Packers. 121 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: How would you compare yourself when you got to the 122 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: Packers with what Brett Favre was doing at the time. 123 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 7: Well, I will say this is that lining up next 124 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 7: to Brett and Mark and Tie every day in training 125 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 7: camp or you know, during that period, I was more 126 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 7: confident when I left that I could play in the 127 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 7: NFL because I felt my physical skills matched up to 128 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 7: those guys that I knew were NFL players. But Brett was, 129 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 7: you know, it was early in his stage, you know, 130 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 7: of being a starter and becoming that guy in the NFL. 131 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 7: But I remember calling my family after seeing him for 132 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 7: about two days, and I'm like, this dude's different, Like 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 7: this dude is special, even though I don't think everybody 134 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 7: knew it at the time, because it was kind of 135 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 7: the Brett far you know, spin around, throw it up 136 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 7: in the air, you have these interceptions, kind of these 137 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 7: crazy plays. When you saw him get between the lines 138 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 7: and play football, he was he was different at that time. 139 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: What was he like in practice? 140 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 7: Well, I could take you into the meeting rooms and 141 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 7: so you know Steve mary Ucci, who I work with now, 142 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 7: was our quarterback coach. Uh, you know, those three guys 143 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 7: are in the room, and you know, oftentimes he would 144 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 7: pull up tape and he's like, okay, Brett, tell me 145 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 7: what the play is. And you know, formation motion called 146 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 7: his play for me, and Brett's like throwing around all 147 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 7: He's like, I don't I don't know, mooch, you know, 148 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 7: and then and then ties there and Tie just cleans. 149 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 6: It all up and he knows it all. He's just 150 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 6: like a coach. 151 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 7: But when you put Brett between the lines, everything seemed 152 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 7: to just click. Like, you know, I listened to him 153 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 7: in the meeting room and I'm like, oh my gosh, 154 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 7: what are we gonna get on the practice field, and 155 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 7: then he goes on the practice field and it was 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 7: just bang bang back, like everything just seemed to make 157 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 7: sense to him. 158 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 6: Between the lines. 159 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 7: But you know, he couldn't look at it, you know, 160 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 7: the tape and and recall everything there. But you give 161 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 7: him a play call and let him go play football, 162 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 7: and he was just it was just really really good. 163 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: When did you know you had arrived, like you you 164 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: could be a great player. 165 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 6: A great player. 166 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, when I say arrived for me, it was different 167 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 7: with my journey. So in ninety nine, when I became 168 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 7: the starter, we actually had to buy the second week 169 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 7: of the season, which they don't do anymore, but we 170 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 7: had to buy the second week, so played the first 171 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 7: week against the Ravens. Me and my wife actually went 172 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 7: back to her hometown to see her family, and I 173 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 7: got a call when we were driving down the street 174 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 7: that I was the player of the week in the 175 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 7: NFL after Week one, And that was my moment where like, Okay, 176 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 7: I don't know if I'm ever going to play another game. 177 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 6: I don't know where it goes from here. 178 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 7: But for one week, I was the best player in 179 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 7: the National Football and that was kind of like my 180 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 7: moment of after the entire journey, like all the things 181 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 7: that I believed. See, I told you, I told you 182 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 7: at least for one week, I could be that guy. 183 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 6: So that was kind of do you get any moments? 184 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 9: Did you get a certificate? 185 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 186 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 6: I mean I heard. I think maybe they gave you 187 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 6: a papers at every I don't. I don't have any idea. 188 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 7: The phone call was enough for me to just kind 189 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 7: of okay, all right, we made it. 190 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: We're talking to Kurt Warner. He'll be on the draft 191 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: coming up tonight at eight eastern on NFL Network. We 192 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: spend so much time talking about quarterbacks, and I was 193 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: just talking to Matt Miller, who's draft analyst for ESPN. 194 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: If I'm Tennessee, why am I trying to get a 195 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: quarterback when I can get the a guy who is 196 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: the Otani of the NFL and Travis Hunter. So now 197 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: I like the sure thing is right there? Correct? 198 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 6: Right, Okay, I'm going to take a. 199 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: Chance on cam Ward, who at best would have been 200 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: the fifth quarterback drafted last year. Yeah, So why am 201 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: I doing that? Why why am I not patient to go? 202 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: We can We'll find our quarterback. 203 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 7: Cause it's as simple as if you don't have one, 204 00:09:59,160 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 7: you don't have a chain. 205 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 6: I mean, that's the way it is in the NFL. 206 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 7: Outside of, you know, barring one of those unique situations 207 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 7: where you have an incredible defense and an unbelievable run 208 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 7: game and your quarterback can be a complementary piece. 209 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 6: It just doesn't happen very often. 210 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 7: And so it's why we reach It's why we talk 211 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 7: about quarterbacks because if you don't have one, you don't 212 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 7: have a chance. And especially if you look in the 213 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 7: AFC right now with way you know the way that's 214 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 7: going and all the players that you have there, and 215 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 7: so that's why you know, at this pick, I agree 216 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 7: with you, like, Okay, we've got guys that we know 217 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 7: are going to be good NFL players, Cam Mood really 218 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 7: good college player. 219 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 6: We don't know. 220 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 7: But that's exactly why you have to take the chance, 221 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 7: is because you just know you don't have an opportunity 222 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 7: to win without it. 223 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 6: And then I think that. 224 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 7: The second factor is we have no patience anymore. We 225 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 7: have no patients, not just for quarterback, we have no 226 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 7: patients for coaches. And so these coaches know, Okay, I 227 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 7: can go build a roster for somebody else, because if 228 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 7: I don't have a quarterback for three or four years. 229 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 7: I'm gone, and somebody else is going to come in 230 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 7: and be able to use all these pieces I have. 231 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 7: So you go and you try to get that guy 232 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 7: that you think has a chance to be a special 233 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 7: player for you, knowing if I find that guy, he 234 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 7: gives us a chance every time we play, and then 235 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 7: we go and build around him. 236 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: I had one of my greatest moments in my career, 237 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 2: and it happened during your Super Bowl with Pittsburgh. Because 238 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to hand out the trophy. I'm on the 239 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 2: sidelines and I'm with Steve Young. So Steve Young is 240 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: with me as Ben comes onto the field, and Steve 241 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: Young is doing play by play and color like. So 242 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: he's telling me from a Hall of Fame perspective what 243 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: Ben is doing, what they should do. So he's doing 244 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: this all the way down the sidelines. Now I'm still thinking, 245 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: I'm handing out the trophy to you guys, and then 246 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, so Steve is going, 247 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: this is this is crazy, I mean, Ben is this 248 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: is unbelievable. And then he throws the touchdown and he said, 249 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: you you can't, I mean, we don't make those throw. 250 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: I mean, that's not normal to make that throw. So 251 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: when you're watching all of this as a quarterback, you're 252 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: probably saying, well, what would I do or you know, 253 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: put yourself in that position. I'm guessing, at what point 254 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: did you realize you were in trouble? 255 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 7: I mean I realized I was in trouble when he 256 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 7: threw the curl route to the right hand side and 257 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 7: Antonio took it for about seventy you know, like because 258 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 7: all we're thinking on you know, on our sideline is 259 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,359 Speaker 7: you know, we've got the lead at that point. 260 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 6: Hold them to a field goal at worst. 261 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 7: So we're going into overtime because we had kind of 262 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 7: taken the momentum at that point, and so our whole 263 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 7: mindset is just you don't give up the big play, 264 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 7: like keep everything in front of you. 265 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 6: And then it was right off the bat when you 266 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 6: throw a curl. 267 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 7: And he spins and and you know, sets them up 268 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 7: inside the red zone. And that's when I thought too 269 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 7: many opportunities, Like we're giving them too many chances, Like 270 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 7: if we gave him one shot in the red zone 271 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 7: to go for the touchdown, I feel confident you get 272 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 7: down there and we give them first and goal and 273 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 7: they've got a chance for at least four plays down there. 274 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 7: That's when I was worried. And you know, he had 275 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 7: thrown a pass, a better I wouldn't say a better pass, 276 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 7: but they had an opportunity to score a touchdown, you know, 277 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 7: the play before, and they missed that play. And so 278 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 7: after that happens, You're like, Okay, they missed one. 279 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 6: Maybe we got a shot here. 280 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 7: And then when he went and threw the past to Santonio, 281 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 7: from my vantage point, I'm like, what's he doing? Like, 282 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 7: there's three guys there, there's no chance, Like I'm feeling pretty. 283 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 6: Good that we're gonna knock this down. 284 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 7: And of course, perfect pass, unbelievable catch in between three guys. 285 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 7: But that's what you know, you know, that's what Super 286 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 7: Bowls are all about. It's great players making great plays. 287 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 7: But it was after that first quick curl route that 288 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 7: spun out and turned into you know, first down into the. 289 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 6: Red zone where I knew like we were in trouble here. 290 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: What still keeps you up at night football wise? 291 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 7: Football wise, it would be the Patriots Super Bowl in 292 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 7: O one, Just that we didn't play our best game, 293 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 7: like you want to go to the Super Bowl and 294 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 7: you want to play your best game. You want to say, hey, 295 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 7: you leave it like that game against the Steelers. Nobody 296 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 7: expected us to be there with two and a half 297 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 7: minutes to go, We're leading in that game. We played 298 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 7: a good football game and very easily could have been 299 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 7: champs in that game. So I can live with that one, 300 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 7: even with the long interception and all the stuff that happened. 301 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 6: I could live with that one. It was two thousand 302 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 6: and one. 303 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 7: Where we were a better team than we played on 304 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 7: that day, and when you get to those moments and 305 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 7: you know what that could have meant for a lot 306 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 7: of different things, to have two super Bowl championships in 307 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 7: three years, all of that stuff. That's the game to 308 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 7: me that I wish we could have back and we 309 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 7: could play that over again, because I really believe, you know, 310 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 7: and nothing against the Patriots. 311 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 6: We were the better football team. 312 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 7: You know, we didn't play better in in those three hours, 313 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 7: but we were the better foot We played ten times, 314 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 7: we win I think at least eight of those, but 315 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 7: that day they outplayed us. 316 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 6: We didn't put our best foot forward. 317 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 7: And that's the game that just continually comes back through 318 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 7: my mind more than more than all the others. 319 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: But what was the chatter beforehand? You're facing Brady and 320 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: he didn't have much experience. Yeah, and what was the 321 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: defensive philosophy there? 322 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think our defensi velosophy was basically 323 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 7: what happened. I mean, Tom Brady threw for like one 324 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 7: hundred and fifty yards in the game, and they had 325 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 7: you know, I threw a pick six. They had one 326 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 7: touchdown pass, there was another one where Tory kind of 327 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 7: tripped led to another, you know, interception that was points 328 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 7: for them. And so I think the game plan was 329 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 7: what we wanted it to be. And it's like their 330 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 7: offense isn't going to beat us. We've just got to 331 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 7: play better than their defense, which obviously we had great 332 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 7: confidence that we could do that with the team that we. 333 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 6: Had, But that was more of the mindset going in. 334 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 7: Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady yet at that point, So 335 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 7: it wasn't like a fear like, oh gosh, we got 336 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 7: to worry about twelve at this time. It was more 337 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 7: worried about their defense. Bill Belichick, we played him earlier 338 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 7: in the year, going in, Okay, what. 339 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 6: Are they going to do? 340 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 7: We know they're not going to do the same thing 341 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 7: they did last time. What do we have to prepare 342 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 7: for it? So that was more of the matchup that 343 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 7: I think we were thinking about going in. 344 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: I have a football here, and you know, we get 345 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: caught up in if you'll hold that and show us 346 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: the proper way to throw a football. 347 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 6: Proper way to throw a football? 348 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, because I mean like some like my grip, yeah, yeah, 349 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 7: so my grip is one I don't know where the 350 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 7: camera is, but they'll find where I'm almost on the 351 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 7: point of the football. And and for me, I actually 352 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 7: changed to that grip when I was in high school. 353 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 7: When I watched the guy that was older than me 354 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 7: threw it. He threw a really good ball, and so 355 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 7: I'm like, Okay, how's he hold the football? And he 356 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 7: had his finger more towards the point. And when I 357 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 7: first started doing that, I threw a lot of ducks anyways, 358 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 7: But when I first started doing that, the ball never 359 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 7: came off clean. But I always felt like I had 360 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 7: more control with that point. You know, that finger on 361 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 7: the point of the ball, because it's kind of the 362 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 7: last thing that you release as you're throwing the football. 363 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 7: So I felt like it gave me more accuracy when 364 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 7: I was doing that. 365 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 6: But I mean, I don't know. 366 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 7: If there's a there's a perfect way to do it. 367 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 7: I think to me, it's like grab it. What feels 368 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 7: comfortable to you do it. But that was the thing 369 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 7: for me, is I wanted to have as why a 370 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 7: grip as possible on the ball, and I wanted to 371 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 7: have my finger close to the point. 372 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 6: So I just felt like it may be more accurate. 373 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: Do you care how it inflated it is? 374 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 7: I mean I would like it legally inflated, like, I 375 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 7: mean whatever the standard is is is what? 376 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 9: I wait? 377 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: But why can't you have a football that you want 378 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: and I have a football that I want? 379 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know. I mean, why do we 380 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 6: have rules? It's a dumb Why why could you do 381 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 6: something that? I mean, I don't know, nobody. 382 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: Nobody benefits from this. You kicker on their own ball. 383 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 7: Hold on a second, Like, why would somebody do it 384 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 7: if they don't benefit from it? Like whatever that that 385 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 7: thing is. I mean, if you deflated a football or 386 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 7: you pumped it up, like, you would only do that 387 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 7: if you felt it gave you some sort of an advantage, right, And. 388 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: So we'd like kickers have their own ball. 389 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 6: I mean, okay, but that's not the rule. 390 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 7: Like if the rule is everybody can have their own ball, 391 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 7: and we actually do allow quarterbacks to break the ball 392 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 7: in and do what they want to do. 393 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: So you realize that Aaron Rodgers told me that he 394 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: over inflated footballs and nobody said anything about that because 395 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: he didn't have a guy known as the inflator and 396 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: Brady had a guy known as the deflator. It's silly. 397 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's silly. 398 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 6: Are you saying silly? But to me, I mean if 399 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 6: the question. 400 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: Calling into question Tom Brady's Super Bowl putting it over gosh, 401 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: is that what we're doing. 402 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 6: I knew somehow this was going to go there. You 403 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 6: were somehow gonna get me there. 404 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 7: But I mean the funny thing to me is, and 405 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 7: you know, maybe it's to the credit of those guys 406 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 7: over inflating or under inflating, like I never once thought 407 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 7: about how much air, like give me the ball, like 408 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 7: give me the ball, what ball is? 409 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 6: Oh, it's this ball, Let's let's go play football. Like 410 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 6: that was nothing. You know that I even thought about 411 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 6: a detail that I considered. I mean, maybe I should have, 412 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 6: but it was nothing like, hey, this is legal, somebody 413 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 6: figured it out. Let's go play ball. Yes' just kind 414 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 6: of what you do. 415 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: You're probably not having this conversation on the draft tonight. 416 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 6: I'm probably notably not. Okay, I see, I guarantee you 417 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 6: I will not let it go there. 418 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, great to see. 419 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 6: Good to see you as always. 420 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: You can see more of Kurt Warner tonight. He'll be 421 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: on NFL Networks coverage. First Round a start at eight eastern. 422 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 2: We'll take a break. Daniel Jeremiah tells you where Travis 423 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: Hunter is going. 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The argument kept 438 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: going when we went to commercial break about inflating your 439 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: football or deflating your football. If you can do it 440 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 2: and I can do it, then it shouldn't be an 441 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: issue for me. But as Kurt says, well, there is 442 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: a rule in play, so therefore why have a rule 443 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: if you're not going to enforce it. I understand that, 444 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: but kickers get their own football. And the fact that 445 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers said he over inflated the football. He wanted 446 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 2: an over inflated football. But you know that's there's no 447 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 2: drama attached to that because it doesn't have anything to 448 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: do with the Patriots or Tom Brady. Okay, Daniel Jeremiah 449 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: NFL Network Draft analyst, and he'll be on the call 450 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: tonight at eight eastern on NFL Network. He also has 451 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: moved the Sticks podcast and former NFL Scout as We 452 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: make way for Daniel Jeremiah on the program. Hey Dan, 453 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: all right, it's. 454 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 11: So I'm glad you finally got to the bottom of 455 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 11: Kurt hating Tom Brady. 456 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: As asterisk by Super Bowls for Tom Brady. 457 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 11: And he's been saying that behind the scenes for years. 458 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 11: It was nice to see like that. That's great, He's 459 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 11: gonna love you for this. Did you ever a Brady 460 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 11: college tape? I did, actually, but I was, you know, 461 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 11: he was came into the league before I got into scouting, 462 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 11: but we had I started in two thousand and three, 463 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 11: and we do a thing when I was with the 464 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 11: Ravens called Scout School. So in the evenings at training camp, 465 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 11: everybody had to do a presentation and the idea was 466 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 11: to let the whole group learn something and grow and 467 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 11: and somebody did the how we all screwed up on 468 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 11: Tom Brady presentation and went through and kind of showed 469 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 11: his tape, read all the reports and kind of went 470 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 11: to the background. 471 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: Okay, but wait a minute, he lost his job to 472 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 2: Drew Hension. So everybody can look back and have revisions 473 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: history and say, man, I knew who knew? 474 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 9: Well. 475 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 11: The interesting thing was it was more so in the 476 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 11: background than it was in the In the description of 477 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 11: the play, like it was and I don't remember the 478 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 11: exact words, but it was like this guy's a maniacal competitor. 479 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 11: You know, all the wiring stuff. All that stuff was 480 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 11: just off the charts. And so the point of the 481 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 11: process was sometimes if the skill levels meets the threshold, 482 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 11: this adequate and you have the elite off off the charts, 483 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 11: character work, ethic, all that stuff, that those guys can 484 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 11: be better. Now, no, there's no way anybody could ever 485 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 11: know that he was going to do what he did. 486 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 11: But there were some little nuggets and little morsels in there. 487 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: What was a red flag when you were scouting? 488 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 9: Red flag? 489 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 11: Gosh, I always thought it was a red flag when 490 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 11: you go back in the day when I was scouting, 491 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 11: you had the video guys because everybody didn't just have 492 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 11: everything on their iPad. And if the video guys did 493 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 11: not know the quarterback had no relationship with a quarterback, 494 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 11: that always made me nervous because the guy has not 495 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 11: been in there watching extra tape that should be one 496 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 11: of his best friends. How do I get access? I 497 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 11: need to I want to come in here and watch this. 498 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 11: So that was just one kind of random and. 499 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: I always thought if you were going to talk to 500 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: somebody and get it, and I was told this, talk 501 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: to the equipment manager. Yeah, talk to people who are around, 502 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: How does he treat people who aren't important per se? 503 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: How is he in the lock? You know those kind 504 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 2: of things. And I remember running into a guy who 505 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: worked at Washington State with Ryan Leef. Yeah, and he 506 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: gave me a heads up without telling me. I mean, 507 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: he was saying, boy, wait till you get a load 508 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: of this, and I go, what do you mean? He goes, oh, 509 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm just saying and you know, so then I eventually 510 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: found out what he was saying is the reputation with 511 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: Ryan at the time was not a great teammate. Yeah, 512 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: and you know there's other things in play with Ryan there, 513 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: and maybe he shouldn't have been up as high as 514 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: you know. You know now it was Peyton versus him, 515 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 2: and nobody wins that competition battle. 516 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, no question. 517 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 11: We always would do it at the combine and when 518 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 11: you're interviewing guys at All Star Games, one of the 519 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 11: questions we would always ask is if you can take 520 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 11: one teammate with you, who would you want to play 521 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 11: with at the next level. And it was kind of 522 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 11: interesting because some guys will come up over and over 523 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 11: and over again through that process and. 524 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: We you know, it's not character assassination, but it certainly 525 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: felt like we needed a story. Now we got an 526 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: unnamed scowled or some you know, executive who's talking bad 527 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 2: about Shade or Sanders. Has anybody said anything negative about 528 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: somebody else in this draft as far as their personality 529 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: or their ability to interview? 530 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 9: I would say it this way. 531 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 11: There's obviously going to be in almost every single player 532 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 11: in every draft, there's going to be somebody in the 533 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 11: draft room who's a fan and someone who's not. But 534 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 11: with Shador this year, Dan, it is so and I'm 535 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 11: not comparing them as players or people, but it's so 536 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 11: reminiscent to Johnny Manziel, where the spotlight is so bright, 537 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 11: and there's never been more information coming out on a 538 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 11: player than there has been on Shudeur. Again, totally different 539 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 11: players and people, but I don't recall this much attention 540 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 11: on one player since we had the Johnny Manziel draft. 541 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: And I remember an executive saying Johnny was unbelievable as 542 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: an interview. 543 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 11: Well, he's charismatic, Yeah, come in and fill the room. Yes, 544 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 11: I mean his pro day is going to go down 545 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 11: as one of the ald timers. The guy put on pads, 546 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 11: there was blaring music and the former president of the 547 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 11: United States was on the sideline watching it. 548 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: How did everybody miss on him? 549 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 11: I just think it was so fun, It was so tantalized. 550 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 11: I went and saw him play several times live, including 551 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 11: in bowl games. 552 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 9: And it was just so magical. 553 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 11: At the college level, and you had, you know, the 554 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 11: Alabama program and where that group was, and you're like, 555 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 11: this guy, nobody can do this against them, and this 556 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 11: kid can. And then I always remembered is one of 557 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 11: his first preseason games. It was on TV and I 558 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 11: happened to tune in. It might've been against the Lions, 559 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 11: if I'm not mistaken. And I remember texting my buddy 560 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 11: Bucky Brooks because we had both been at a bowl 561 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 11: game and sat next to each other and we kind 562 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 11: of got taken in by this whole thing. And the 563 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 11: first preseason game, I texted him, I go, Bucky, dang, 564 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 11: he looks little all of a sudden on a field 565 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 11: with NFL guys that it didn't look great. 566 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: But all you had to do was ask a couple 567 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 2: of questions about. 568 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 9: Oh, yeah, there was all the stuff that was. 569 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: But could he have played in the NFL at a 570 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: high level let's say he's focused, Let's say he's clean 571 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: and committed. Did he have the traits to be able 572 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: to be a successful quarterback? I think he did give 573 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: him that style. 574 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 11: I think he did, and I know he would have 575 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 11: to play a little bit more on time, a little 576 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 11: bit more on schedule. But the guy, he had huge hands, 577 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 11: he had a huge arm. He was obviously ultra athletic 578 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 11: and creative. He just need you needed to kind of 579 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 11: reel that stuff in. But we never got a chance 580 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 11: because of the stuff off the field. We never got 581 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 11: a chance to see what that. 582 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 9: Could have looked like. 583 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: It's like he wanted to be Farv, but there's only 584 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: one Farv. 585 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 11: Yeah, and he was pocket Farv because he was, you know, 586 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 11: a much smaller guy. 587 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: All Right, we're talking to Daniel Jeremiah. He'll be the 588 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: lead analyst on the draft coming up tonight and that's 589 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 2: NFL Network starting at eight eastern. The draft starts. Where now, 590 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 2: let me get to your quote. Let me make sure 591 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: I got it right. You got Browns are taking Travis Hunter. 592 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 9: Uh feels like that. 593 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 11: There's been a lot of talk in the last twenty 594 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 11: four hours, which someone needs to write a book on 595 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 11: the night before the draft, rumors that never come true. 596 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 11: They're fantastic, they really are fantastic. But there's been a 597 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 11: lot Oh, they could move out and maybe we'll all 598 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 11: be shocked, and they do, but it all feels like 599 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 11: that's going. 600 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: To be traveling. Okay, and you your quote was he 601 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: will major in offense minor in defense. 602 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 9: Which has never been done. 603 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: Do you agree with that approach that he should be 604 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: more offense than defense. 605 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 9: I do. 606 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 11: I mean that's how I see him. I think he's 607 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 11: more impactful on offense. I don't think you know. To me, 608 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 11: he's as a corner. He's best when you kind of 609 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 11: play him off when he's in zone. When he's an offman, 610 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 11: he can see the picture, he can set traps. He 611 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 11: can then go make plays on the ball. But this 612 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 11: is not like Pats or Tan. You got this guy 613 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 11: and we will not worry about that side of the field. 614 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 11: Like that's not the style. 615 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 9: Of corner he is. 616 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 11: Whereas on offense, every time he touches the ball, he's 617 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 11: impactful and I can get the ball in his hands 618 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 11: a lot and he can help us win games, and 619 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 11: I can find ways for him to get on defense. 620 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 11: But historically when you've had players and that nobody's done 621 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 11: it to the level he did in terms of the 622 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 11: volume of snaps. But if it was a major minor, 623 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 11: it was always okay, you have to learn this defense, 624 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 11: be in the defensive meeting room and we'll sprinkle in 625 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 11: a package of plays where it's a bubble screen or reverse, 626 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 11: you know, a go and you don't necessarily have to 627 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 11: meet you know, with the offense. This one is the 628 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 11: first time I can ever remember or I've thought this kid, 629 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 11: I want him full time on offense. 630 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: I still get the feeling somebody's going up to get 631 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: Ashton Gent and I you know, I don't know what 632 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: your intel is on that, but he feels like I 633 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: could tell by that reaction you went. 634 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 11: He's my third player. I think there's three elite players 635 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 11: in this draft. And I think cam Ward is a 636 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 11: really good quarterback, and I have no problem. 637 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 9: With Tennessee taking him. 638 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 11: But to me, the three like blue chip players in 639 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 11: any draft are those three guys, Abdul Carter, it's Hunter, 640 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 11: and it's Genty, So I love Gent. 641 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 9: To me, it's just around the league. 642 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 11: You can get comfortable taking a running back there. But 643 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 11: I just i'd be curious to see if somebody's gonna 644 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 11: really move a lot of resources for a running But. 645 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: Don't you think Saquon opened people's eyes here that if 646 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: you now granted he was the missing piece, yeah, on 647 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl winning team, whereas with the Giants he 648 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: was good, but they weren't any good. So if Ashton 649 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: Genty goes to Jacksonville, they're not very good. Or would 650 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: the Patriots be squirrely enough to go, you know what, 651 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: let's let's take this guy if he's going to be 652 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: great there, or do the Raiders wait and go let 653 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: him fall into our lamp. 654 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 11: I brought this up with a general manager the other 655 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 11: day and he goes, you realize, like the four best 656 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 11: running backs in the NFL last year were all had 657 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 11: in free agency, Like they were all out there for you. 658 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 11: Like another example of everybody talks about you can draft 659 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 11: him in any round, and he's like, there's also going 660 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 11: to be guys available in free agency every year. So 661 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 11: his whole point was great player, we have him highly rated. 662 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 11: If he's there, we'll pick him. But I just in 663 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 11: terms of taking a bunch of resources and going to 664 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 11: get him, they were, you know, not. 665 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: So much into that what is it like when you 666 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 2: know that your organization is maybe starting to panic a 667 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: little bit. Have you been in a situation where all 668 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 2: of a sudden you're on the clock and the guy 669 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: you thought you were getting is not there. 670 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 11: The one of the stories I've told in the past 671 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 11: is I was in Baltimore and we were a HELOADI 672 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 11: knot a team. 673 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 9: That was our guy. That's who we wanted we had. 674 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 11: We wanted to put a big guy in front of 675 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 11: ray Lewis, and he was just the perfect pick. Well, 676 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 11: Phil Savage at the time was the general manager of 677 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 11: the Cleveland Browns, and Philip had been with us in Baltimore, 678 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 11: and so Phil knew that we were going to like 679 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 11: that type of player. So they're on the clock just 680 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 11: in front of us, and he calls Ozzie and they 681 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 11: have the conversation and Phil's like, we're going to take 682 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 11: Heloda Nada, and Ozzie goes, okay, well, yeah, go ahead. 683 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 11: He goes, well you want to trade, and Ozzi, you know, 684 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 11: he ends up kind of putting him on hold, and 685 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 11: he's kind of looking around the room and he's like, 686 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 11: they're not taking Helodi Nada, but he knows we want 687 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 11: Helodi Nada. So he's trying to hold us up for 688 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 11: a draft pick, and so I think it ended up 689 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 11: being a sixth round pick. 690 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 9: And Ozzie's you know, obviously he's got so. 691 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 11: Much wisdom and was like, look, we can call their bluff, 692 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 11: but it's a sixth round pick, and that guarantees that 693 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 11: we get him. 694 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 9: Just give him the sixth round pick and we'll go 695 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 9: up and get him. 696 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: We did some hot takes here. I want you to 697 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: judge these. Marvin, give Daniel Jeremiah your hot. 698 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 4: Take, Jackson Dart he will go to the Los Angeles 699 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 4: Rams at the end of the first half. 700 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 6: Then my second one was. 701 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I think I forgot it. 702 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 9: It was too hot. 703 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 6: Oh I think Tyler Warren. 704 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, going to the Patriots ooh with four overall. 705 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that would put you in round three 706 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 11: of hot ones. 707 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 9: You know, I don't think that gets you to the Yeah, 708 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 9: to the playoffs. 709 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 6: All the hot. 710 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 11: One's spicy, but look, the Rams, that's an option. When 711 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 11: I talk to the guys in that building, I didn't 712 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 11: get the sense it kind of feels like they want 713 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 11: to make a push right now. 714 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 9: You bring you know, you bring. 715 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 11: Back your quarterback and you feel like you've got you're 716 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 11: this close to get me to the year. So they 717 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 11: want to help Matthew not try and you know, eventually 718 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 11: replace him. So I would be surprised on that one, Warren. 719 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 11: It's just the Patriots seem pretty locked in that they 720 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 11: have to get better at tackle. They were just so 721 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 11: bad there last year, So that would surprise me as well. 722 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: Todd your hot takes. 723 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 7: I had the Broncos moving up from twenty to take 724 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 7: Boise State Bronco Ashton genty to become a Denver Bronco. 725 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that's there's a lot of talk about 726 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 11: the two teams that could move up are the Broncos 727 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 11: and the Eagles, two teams that could be aggressive. And 728 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 11: with the Broncos, that's not a hot take, that's a 729 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 11: legitimate take. It's not a hot take. That's a that's 730 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 11: very much mild, like dipped in ranch. 731 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: And that's not legitimate takes. Yeah, you know we can't 732 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: sell that. 733 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 6: What about this one? The Cowboys move up from twelve 734 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 6: to grab Tyler Warren, hoping for the next Jason Witten 735 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 6: or j Novachek to join them. 736 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 11: What was the name of the guy that they took 737 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 11: from Lsu tight end. Do you remember that from way back. 738 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 9: In the day, oh Stern Barker. No, I just opened 739 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 9: up Pandora's bock. 740 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 11: There was Tony Gonzalez and this kid, and I remember 741 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 11: Troyman was going to work out both of them, and 742 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 11: the Tony Gonzalez goes on to the Hall of Fame, 743 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 11: the other did not. But we can get research on that. 744 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 9: That one. I'll give you hot on that one. Your 745 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 9: first one, not hot. 746 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 3: I have Tila tongue of ioloa traded tonight to the 747 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: either the Saints Giants, forty nine ers or Steelers. 748 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, you just you just you almost literally floored him. 749 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 9: Yes, I mean it's I could use some milk trying 750 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 9: to tame the tongue. 751 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: The tongue here tame a tongue of ioloa. Yeah, vamas. 752 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 2: My other one is Trey Hendrickson. 753 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: Traded tonight to either the Packers, Liarons or Commanders. 754 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 11: I like that one. I think that's I think that's spicy. 755 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 11: I think that's I think that's a fun one. That's 756 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 11: a that's a fun. 757 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 2: One, right, the to a tongue of ioloa. 758 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 11: You know, I would be I mean that would be 759 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 11: incredible for us. We'll have an unbelievable night, We'll all 760 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 11: fall out. 761 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 9: Of our chairs. 762 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's a take like you're trying to balance. 763 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: Is it better to be something that's like more close 764 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: to reality or something like? 765 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be crazy if that happened. Because that's a 766 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: hot take, right, that's how that qualifies. You need a 767 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 2: Laramie tuns All night tonight because there are not enough 768 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: great names in this round. 769 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 9: Look, Dan, I grew. 770 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 11: Up in the home with a father as a pastor, 771 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 11: and I'm live on air, and I'll be honest with that. 772 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 9: I don't know what's in that mask. 773 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 6: I don't know what. 774 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 9: I've never seen one of those things before. 775 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 11: You've never smoked poppy, No, but I but I've never 776 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 11: seen that contraption. Yeah, and there like I'm like, I 777 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 11: don't even know how to respond to this, but I 778 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 11: was like, he's a heck of a tackle. 779 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 9: I can tell you. 780 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 2: I'd take him high. Oh no, no, I know I 781 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: don't mean that way. All right, Paulie, you're a hot 782 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: take for Daniel. 783 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,959 Speaker 8: Was that tight end of LSU David Lafleur, Yes, yes, 784 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 8: I looked it up, all right. The Patriots will trade 785 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 8: down out of four with the Bears. The Bears will 786 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 8: trade up to four to get Carter out of Penn State. 787 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 11: So I've heard there's again the last twenty four hours, 788 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 11: a lot of chatter about the Bears trying to be 789 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 11: aggressive to move up, whether that was to three or 790 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 11: to four, and Carter was the name A lightly hot, Yeah, 791 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 11: I think it's I think it's hot, but I think 792 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 11: it's it's shared. 793 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 9: I think that's that's floating around. 794 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 8: Jackson Dart will be drafted by the Saints at nine, I. 795 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 11: Don't think so. I think the Saints go quarterback in 796 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 11: round two. So that's a hot I'll give you a 797 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 11: hot take on that one. By the way, Dan, you 798 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 11: asked Kurt what game keeps him up at night? And 799 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 11: I just feel a little bit slighted that you didn't 800 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 11: ask me that same question. 801 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: I'm not done yet. 802 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 9: Okay, Okay. 803 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: Appalachian State. 804 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 10: It was eight. 805 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 9: Western Carolina. 806 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 11: It was a cold day in Kullowey, and I just 807 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 11: had tough time holding onto the ball man. 808 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 9: We lost the Old Mountain jug that day. 809 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: Fumbles, interceptions, yes, and your draft stock, Yeah, that's tough. 810 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 2: Who plays quarterback the way you played quarterback. 811 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 11: Who plays quarterback the way I played quarterback? 812 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 9: Man? 813 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 11: Nobody in the NFL, unfortunately, Dan, Oh, yeah, Dan, Dan 814 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 11: was a little better than I was. 815 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 9: Unfortunately. 816 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: He's Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network lead analyst, and I'll bother 817 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: him tonight with a couple of text message just said. 818 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 2: When you go to commercial break by the way eight 819 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 2: Eastern you can see their coverage with Rich Iceon leading 820 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 2: the charts. Great to see again, Thank you, Bud. I 821 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: appreciate you. 822 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 6: Jay. 823 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll close up shop after this. 824 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 825 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 826 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 827 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah is a great guest, very very very insightful 828 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: and having been a scout and been in these war 829 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 2: rooms and gives you great firsthand experience. And he'll be 830 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 2: on the call with Rich Eisend and company tonight NFL Network. 831 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: Let me see you know. And so much of this 832 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 2: draft is focused on shud Or Sanders, and I get 833 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: it because of Dion. I also get this, and it's 834 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 2: not fair for me to say it without attaching names 835 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: to it. But because I don't know if who's influenced 836 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: by Dion, I get the feeling there are a lot 837 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: of not a lot, but there are mock drafts and 838 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 2: analysts who are very careful about how they assess shud 839 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: Or Sanders. Do they truly believe he's a first round 840 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: draft pick or are they doing it because you don't 841 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 2: want to get on the bad side of Dion Sanderson. 842 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 2: And this is just a feeling I have. I think 843 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 2: there are probably more analyst than you would think who 844 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: are not sold on Shudor Now. I voted for him 845 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 2: third in the Heisman. I watched him. I watched him 846 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 2: a lot. He did take a lot of hits. He 847 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 2: was tough, he completed seventy three percent of his passes. 848 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 2: He's comfortable in the spotlight. There's a lot of nice 849 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: things to learn or to welcome with Shador Sanders. But 850 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: I do think that processing the game in NFL time, 851 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 2: as opposed to college time, that will be the biggest 852 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 2: challenge for him. And you'll hear scouts say this, that 853 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 2: you get to the line of scrimmage, how do you 854 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: process that quickly? Not that he can't, that's not the point. 855 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 2: It's the clock is sped up. I think there's a 856 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 2: real chance that Shador does not get drafted in the 857 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: first round tonight. I really believe that. And that's not 858 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: to say he can't be successful. I just think and 859 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: it might be better for him he gets on a 860 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: better team. He's not asked to be a star right away. 861 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 2: Cam Ward has to come in and be a star 862 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 2: and the pressure we see that all the time. It's 863 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 2: tough to live up to that. But Shadour, you know, 864 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 2: and when somebody asked me about it, he's comfortable in 865 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 2: the spotlight. And that's that's, you know, a transition that 866 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: you have to make when you get to the NFL 867 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 2: speaking to the media, everything you say is measured. You're 868 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 2: going to go through highs and lows. Your Dad's not there, 869 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: Travis Hunter's not there, and I think that'll be the 870 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 2: key for Shadoor Sanders. I think there's more question marks 871 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: than people are willing to admit with Shador this day 872 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 2: in sports history, Paulie. 873 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 9: Just got one for you. 874 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 8: I wonder if Shador Sanders might take a pay cut 875 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 8: if he goes in the second round, make less in 876 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 8: the pros than in college. Sandy Kofax nineteen sixty one, 877 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 8: Start got eighteen batters, becoming the first basically picture to 878 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 8: DUSA on two different occasions. Nineteen sixty three, the Saw 879 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 8: Celtics won their fifth straight NBA title. Nineteen ninety four, 880 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 8: David Robinson the Spurs or It's seventy one points against 881 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 8: the Clippers. 882 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 2: The Cleveland Indians in nineteen sixty two traded Harry Cheety 883 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 2: to the Mats for a player to be named later. 884 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 2: Fifteen games later, the Mets decided the player to be 885 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 2: named later was actually cheating, who becomes the first baseball 886 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 2: player traded for himself. Bob Coosey plays his last NBA 887 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: game Boston beats the Lakers to win the title. This 888 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 2: is wrong. Bob Coosey played in nineteen seventy for the 889 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Royals at age forty one. That's the last game 890 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 2: he ever played. Had a couple of costly turnovers. The 891 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 2: New York Knicks won their eighteenth consecutive game, and you 892 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 2: know Koozy made mistakes there at the end of the game. 893 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 2: All right, let's go around the room. Marvin, what did 894 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 2: you learn today? 895 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 6: Matt Miller said, there's levels to be at a bust. 896 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 2: Todd would you learn Today. 897 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 7: Kurt Wanner recalls what a big deal was for him 898 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 7: when he got the call oner he was named NFL Player. 899 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 3: Of the Week seatan Would you learn Kurt doesn't care 900 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 3: about the air and the ball pool? 901 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you learn? Love the hot take game? What we 902 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 2: learned brought to you by the great folks at Miller 903 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 2: Like for fifty years. Miller Light the top pick for 904 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 2: beer lover since nineteen seventy five, the original Light Beer. 905 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 2: Enjoy the draft, we'll dissect it with you coming up tomorrow. 906 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 2: For the great audience here at the bar, Thank you 907 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: for coming out for Marvin, Pritsy, Seaton, Paulie yours truly. 908 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you on Friday.