WEBVTT - Let's Be Naughty...with Sandra Lee 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:08.600 This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. Hello there, 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.760 I am Sandra Lee, and I am so excited that 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:16.640 I have been allowed to host this podcast in honor 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.119 of Shannon Dwarty. She's such an icon, and I am 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.840 so in awe of her bravery, in her inspiration and 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.480 her giving to all of us, not just in entertainment, 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.640 but even at the end of life, in helping us 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:37.479 understand the disease of cancer. But I myself had breast 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.280 cancer and a double mistectomy, and then I went ahead 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.040 and had a full hysterect to me and I was thinking, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.280 who are the people who are really involved in my 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.159 life and special to me in my life that I 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.680 would want to do this podcast with? And so I 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.200 called upon one of my very dearest friends, Carolyn Smith Bryant. Carolyn, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.920 what I would love for you to do is share 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.920 with everyone kind of what you're working on now, where 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.160 you come from, all of those good things. I know everything, 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:08.919 but I want you to say in your own words 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:10.240 right now. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.520 I am the features editor of Sophisticated Living Nashville, which 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:19.760 is super fun. I get to bring cover stories to Nashville. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.360 You know, stories that should be told, so I'm having 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:27.000 a blast doing that. I just finished co writing the 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.959 book of a musical called Bye Bye Love, which has 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.280 some commercial interest that I can't share at this point. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:40.440 But you know, musicals are an exciting genre and very speculative, 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.200 so I hope that this one comes to Broadway at 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.440 some point soon. And I wrote with two very iconic songwriters, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:52.640 Desmond Child and Sharon Vaughn, and that was super fun. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.280 That was one of our COVID projects. We've been working 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.200 on it for about five years. I come from New York, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.240 originally grew up in Kennet, hitting back to New York 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:06.280 Woo and met Sandy. Our eyes met across the room 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.760 over a shared love of cream colored clothing. We were 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.799 both dressed head to toe in cream. We spotted each 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.160 other's outfits and we've been friends ever since. And that 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.160 is close to twenty years ago. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.440 And this is all before, you know, our lives changed 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.920 when we heard or were fearful of the sea word. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:28.440 And so. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.239 There's only one other woman that I just became friends 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.480 with that I've met from across the room. And this 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.760 really speaks to like friendships of women and being thoughtful 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.320 about those friendships with women. I met a gal named 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.960 Nikki Deloche who is on Hallmark. I think she just 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.840 launched a movie and she used to be on The 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.919 Mickey Mouse Club. She also just started a podcast that's 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.840 called Mind What Matters, and her love language is togetherness. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.720 What would you say your love language is? 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.960 My love language is kindness and being a good listener. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:04.679 And I think you know that about me. I think, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.239 and it's so important and not overrated in these times 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.120 that we're going through. I mean, being kind is a 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.399 gift to yourself and to everyone else. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.320 Which does not mean that it's not about sex, drugs 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.079 and rock and roll. Like let's get down right now, 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.000 because when I were being like this very polished, very sweet, 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.160 very soft, very kind girlfriend group, and we are we are, 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.240 we are naughty too. We can be a little naughty 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.359 and which I love about us and then we giggling 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.400 cackle depending on the season. But I want to say 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.400 that I was I was so taken back that you 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.760 moved to Nashville. I stayed in New York in that time, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.400 and I was in the hospital having my double mistectomy, 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.360 and you flew in for the day just to sit 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.720 with me in the hospital room. And I can't remember 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.800 the day I was redecorating my hospital room, which was 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.120 the day after my surgery, or if that was the 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.400 day I was on my face, you were on. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:04.720 Your face that day. You were absolutely in pain, you 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.680 were exhausted, your body obviously was healing. And no, you 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.360 were definitely not redecorating your room or a I would 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.440 have helped or be told you to get back to bed. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.440 I didn't know you were redecorating the day after the room. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.720 Next you did the day after. You have a double mistect. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.120 To me, nobody gets the point that you're still amped 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.599 up on these drugs and on adrenaline and all those things, 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.839 and it's not that painful that first. That first very 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.320 next day you're like bionic. I was on the phone 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.320 making business calls. I was doing all this stuff, redecorating 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.040 my room, reorganizing my flowers, and then the next day, boom. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.039 I was down for two straight weeks, I think. But 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.560 you came and then when you had your double misteckt 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.359 to me, it was planned. So I got on a 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.839 plane and I came to Franklin for a week and 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.000 we had so much fun, none of which you remember. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.520 My husband, Della and I which I'm throwing Dell under 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.719 the bus in this anaima you. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.400 Would love it. He expects nothing less. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.839 Yeah, And I ate everything under the sun. And you 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.400 were in bed. I crawled in bed with you more 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.080 often than not. And your mom would come in to 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.600 change your drains and to do whatever. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.000 And she was always. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.320 Scowling at us like we were twelve. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.720 Absolutely she wanted me to rest. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.960 I know, and we we're just like giggling. And I think, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.840 but I really think that that is part of healing. Absolutely, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:25.560 laughing and being together. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.120 Laughing is a part of healing through everything in life. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:33.000 And it's just a daily mechanism to get through the small, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.960 mundane moments and you know what, tough moments in life. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.240 So smiling and humor is important. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.719 So everybody knows that kind of knows that I've created 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.120 semi homemade and I'm a little naughty, mostly nice. I 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.440 do the cocktail times and the two shots of vodka, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.919 and I created tablescapes and did all of those things. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.680 After I had my double mastectomy, I actually felt sexier. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.719 I liked being I mean, I've had reconstruction since, but 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.560 I liked kind of being flat and free. Does that 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.039 sound weird. Does that sound odd? 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.880 No, No, it doesn't. No. Actually, and my doctor took 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.640 me in the opposite direction, which I was so annoyed about. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.080 He made me three sizes too big, even though if 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.839 I remember that, but they were up to my clavicle 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.679 and they were enormous, and I was pissed for about 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.120 three years, and then I finally said, I'm going to 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.520 do something about this, and I had them redone. But apparently, ladies, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:37.680 if you're considering this prophylactically or after a battle of 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.479 the cancer, sometimes the doctors will make you a little 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.719 bit bigger based on your frame or what they think 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:46.560 you ought to look like. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.480 So just something to know, Well, you and I are. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.240 You know we're taller women. I'm five nine. I don't 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:54.320 know how tall you are. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:55.080 I have ten. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.480 Yeah, I have ten. And I know you have one 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.520 size above me and shoe size I do because you 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.920 have the best. She's like sex and Okay, everybody who's listening. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.920 First of all, thank you for listening and being patient 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.040 with me, because it's my first podcast. I've never done 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.880 it before, so I don't know if I'm doing well 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:17.000 or not. But Carolyn Smith Bryant is like the sex 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.320 in the City of shoes and bags. I'm just saying, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.720 I mean, you've got to be six five when you 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:22.920 put on your stilettos. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.800 I am, and being back in New York across from 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.960 where I used to work in my office, CNN caught 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.160 me one time where I'm towering at about six ' 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.200 three and said, why do you wear heels? And I 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.320 just threw my head back in a demonic laugh and 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:41.360 cackled because it brings me power. And they played that 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.880 all over the nation. But anyway, I no longer wear 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:59.080 them for power, but just for me. And we talk 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:03.200 about fabulous outfits of your blue ribbon, your blue room championship, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.240 making championship, your outfits. Can we just talk about those 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.000 for a moment. They were off the chaine, my friend, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.720 thank you, absolutely gorgeous, one better than the next. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.280 Netflix let me style all that, and I was really 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.560 happy because it needed to be my own style. I 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.920 created that show, the Blue Ribbon Faking Championship twelve years ago, Carolyn. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.600 It took me twelve years to get that thing on 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:23.920 the air. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.280 Netflix was the perfect place for it. And it's a 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.160 fabulous show, not just because you look amazing, but I 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:35.840 love Jason Biggs. He's so funny and your judges are amazing. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:40.160 Okay, we have to talk about Noddy, not sex. Let's 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:41.160 talk about sex. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.880 Let's do it. Okay, let's go there. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.959 You first after you had your double instec to me 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.720 and had all your stuff. And what I love about 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.360 sharing this is we both had these issues. There are 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.680 next generations that are going to come with these issues. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.200 There's women going through issue right now. There's women on 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.840 the other side of the issues. There's women looking at 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.760 what their next journey is going to be because they're 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.400 going to join Shannon in heaven for the big cocktail time, 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.840 which is you know, your blue ribbon right on that 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.240 next journey. So let's talk about did your sex life 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.680 change after your double mistectomy or your hysterectomy. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.680 Well, let's just talk about the lack of hormones that 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.360 comes with No matter what kind of cancer you have 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.920 or if you're doing what I did to prevent cancer, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:35.720 it does impact your hormones and that always impacts your 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.880 intimate life. So I know that. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:43.960 Carolyn, there's a vagina cream. No, it's like got testosterone 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.319 in it, and there's estrogen in it, and that stuff 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.160 will light you on fire. I never looked at a 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.199 tree that way before. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:50.760 Hello, send me a link. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:52.800 Well, I'll take a picture and send it to you. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.400 This stuff is unbelievable. It's like hot to trot. Everybody's like, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.640 you look so young. What's going on? I'm like sex, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:00.840 That's what's going on a lot of it. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.800 You have a significant other also, that's quite a bit younger. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.800 And Carolyn tormiando thing called Sammy. What's Sammy? 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:18.839 Sammy is a natural mood elevator. It is great. The 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.320 first time I took it, I could not stop laughing, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.240 so I'm not sure I took the correct dose. It's 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.360 been around for a very long time. And we are 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:30.400 not doctors. Sandy only plays a doctor on TV, so 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.800 check check this out with your own doctor. But Samy 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.679 over the counter herbal is over the counter, right, and 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.560 it's been around for a very long time, which just 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.400 means that people have vetted it for a very long time. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.200 But it's great. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.520 Okay that Carolyn takes Sammy's to make her happy, and 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.480 I have vaginny cream. All right, So we're going to 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.120 talk about something that happened, and you're going to tell me, actually, 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.880 what happened. Okay, So I go down to visit Carolyn 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.520 on one of my many trips to Franklin, who, by 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.320 the way, has the best antiquing. I love Franklin, Tennessee. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.120 It's right next to Leaper's Fork. I think justin Timberlake 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.199 owns most of that town. Great Pockets, food, chest pie, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:16.480 oh God, bands, Sunday Morning, fire Pits, coffee. Can't say 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.320 enough about Leaper's Fork. And Franklin is just this is 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:20.520 like jewel of a town. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:21.320 Like jewel. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:22.560 Kathylee Giffard lives. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:27.280 There, she does, and Shannon live there, and Dann live there. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:28.679 Shannon lived there. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.160 Yes, oh my god where she Yes. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.559 I'm not exactly sure because unfortunately I met her about 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.920 a month before she passed away, and she said we 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.240 have to hang out, and then I got the sad 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.240 news when the world got the news. But she she 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.360 also loved Franklin. Oh my love. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.439 Yeah, we shouldn't say too much. Everybody will move there 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:50.040 and then they'll work. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:50.560 No. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.280 So oh, so I come to visit you and we're 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.240 sitting in the kitchen and two things, Dell, wouldn't you 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.000 put the Christmas tree up? Until like a couple of 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.000 days before Christmas. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.439 And I'm like, hmm, yeah, that doesn't sit well with 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.080 someone who invented table scapes. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.840 Now I'm like, Dell, I have good news for you. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.480 She's not putting it up November first, which is my idea, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.400 or even the day after Thanksgiving. And so Carolyn, I 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.360 would look at you and I'm like, Carolyn, seriously, you 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.360 can't put your Christmas tree up or kind of and 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.200 You're like, I'm working on it. So now the Christmas 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:31.760 tree goes up. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.760 When Christmas tree goes up about mid November, a full 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.000 week before Thanksgiving, and you know, you know you're in 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.280 a relationship. Everything takes patience from making them think it's 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:43.760 a fair idea, right. 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.800 That is the beautiful thing about being over fifty and fabulous. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.320 I'm part of this QVCS over fifty and fabulous. At 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.920 this point, we've been around the turnarounds, you know, those 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.760 turnarounds that you can said so many times, and we 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.400 weren't doing everything, Like I don't mean that ells not 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.400 doing anything, don't get me wrong. But we're organizing the house, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.560 we're organizing the holidays, we're doing the gift giving, we're 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.040 making the food, we're doing all this stuff like if 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.120 we want to put the Christmas tree up, like, I 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.720 got good news for you. Put the Christmas tree up 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:15.640 and we can have sex. 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:22.240 You've given me that advice before, Dell put the Christmas 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:23.480 tree up, and let me help you. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:30.560 Help you Carolyn's husband, who is the most charming man 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:31.880 in the world. And we used to go the three 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.680 of us used to go everywhere together and a Dell's 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.720 parents wrote so many great songs. They wrote Rocky Top, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.000 which is the Tennessee fight song. And I've been to 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.480 a Tennessee game with you. Great apparel. I think so 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.600 you are helping run that brand for. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.120 The time being. I absolutely am. We have a bunch 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:55.319 of things in the works. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.920 Yeah. And I went to Walmart with you, and I 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.520 have also been with walm Mark, QVC and Walmart for 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.040 like over thirty years. It was so nice to see 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.040 your stuff in Walmart. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:12.800 Oh, it's so gratifying to see their works all over 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.199 everything from wrapping paper, you know, T shirt, sweatshirts, the 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:17.960 obvious things. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.040 Can you sing Rocky Top? I can't. They'll tell us. 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.760 That I was on old Rocky Top down on the 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.880 Tennessee Hills. Ain't no smokey smog on Rocky Top. Ain't 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.560 no telephone bills. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:49.400 So I want to go back to talking about compelling journeys. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.400 We know and are so honored to be here because 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.160 Shannon started something pretty fantastic and is an inspiration to 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.200 all of us, and her story was so compelling. What 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.160 is the one thing that you think that you learned 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:11.360 from you taking control of your health journey yourself? Like, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.440 what did you learn from that experience? 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.800 I've learned that it's okay to be raw and vulnerable 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:23.600 and honest. And I called myself the town crier of 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.880 menopause because I found that nobody was talking about it. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.840 Nobody was talking about these intimate things. And I was 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.960 the first person to tell people, Yeah, I've got stuff 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.160 hanging out and I'm tacking it back up and I'm 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.160 taking everything out I don't need, and I'm going to 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.840 be perky forever. And to go back to what you 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:46.000 said about laughter, being raw, being honest, being authentic and 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.840 laughing about it, and it just this is what Shannon 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.960 did with this podcast. It just opens people up to 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.760 tell about their own story, or their mother's story, or 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.320 their sisters or best friends or you know, we're all impacted. 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.000 So we all have stories to tell and it's okay 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:09.080 and younger, yes, frightfully so. But the reason why people 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.840 don't talk about it also is they think that sometimes 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.280 that it ages them, and age is age is a gift. 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.120 I mean, do I like the wrinkle here and there? No? 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.320 Do I love and I like your wrinkles. I love 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.000 your beautiful face that is so beautiful, and I just 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.200 like the inside of you. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.520 You know, some people think because they watched me on 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.440 Semi Homemade, we're have in the past, or they see 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.920 me on Best and Fair or whatever it is, they 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.960 because we're edited so specifically. You know, when I did 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.480 Semi home made, it was four recipes, a cocktail, two 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:46.680 wardrobe changes, and a whole table scape. There was no 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.760 time to be naughty or to say much other than 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.600 you know, put this in the bowl and do that 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.400 with the bowl, and you know this that and the 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.240 other thing. But there was no time to really have 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.600 that kind of like personality. So now that people see 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.080 my real personality, some love it, some are horrified, and 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:03.800 you know what, love hurts. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.359 Love hurts, But you know what I know, But you 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.960 weren't pooling anyone when it came down to cocktail time. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.520 You're naughtiness came out in that part of the segment. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.160 I used to look at it and see, my god, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.760 I'd be on my face. But you shot the Monca, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:23.960 always always tasty, and everything you've done is just so beautiful, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:24.720 so much fun. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.520 So I have a nephew, a godson if you well name, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:33.359 which is Carolyn's son. And Carolyn you had Tad later 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.520 on in life. But before you're going to tell the 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.919 Tad story, which is a whole inspiration. Before you tell 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.960 the Tad story, I just want to say, Tad, I'm 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.240 holding you to the fact that when Aunt Sandy Claws, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:50.120 Aunt Sandy and your mom were in Paris walking all 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.360 over the Shaunsey Leez trying to buy you color markers 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.480 when you were five, we had a conversation. Listen to 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.159 Aunt Sandy, you are going to be pushing us in 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.479 our wheelchairs in Paris when we're old, all of us, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.480 so start working out. But not that you need to 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:10.399 start working out. So tell tell you were Gizelle before 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.920 Gizelle was Gizelle in that you were having a later 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:15.760 in life. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.200 Baby, Well, you just made my day being compared to 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.320 Giselle in anyway is such an honor. But yes, I 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.119 had my well, I had tad at thirty nine and 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:29.080 then quickly turned forty because in New York, as you know, 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.159 a lot of women are just career focused, career obsessed. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:34.600 And then and. 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.720 You were on Wall Street and during all you went 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.000 to Harvard I mean yes. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:44.679 Online the business school to help merchandise Rocky Top and 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.440 other parts of our famili's made the catalog. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.359 And later in life you decided to have a baby 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:57.240 and coming into the world. What is it like to 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.000 have a baby later on in life? I would think 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.160 it would be much better because I feel so much 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.760 more solid in myself and where I want to go 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.120 and what I want to do and how I want 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:06.879 to do it. And when I was thirty nine and forty, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.240 I was determined. I was not taking no for an answer, 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.640 and I was running like a thoroughbread But you were 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.719 burthing I was. 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.720 And I can sum it up in one word. I 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:24.040 had patience. I come from a long line of impatient people, 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.000 so it wasn't until I was about thirty nine when 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.119 I finally was patient enough and I felt like I 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.760 had done part one of my journey as a woman, 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.399 and accomplishing things, but I was patient enough to just 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:42.119 really enjoy. And you know, I enjoyed every moment of motherhood, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.359 and it's all these different stages. You helped me. You 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.040 would go pick them up from school with me after 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:54.119 our Central Park hat luncheons, and it's a beautiful journey. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.600 I've enjoyed it immensely. 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.639 Thank you for introducing me to Stevie Nicks, like a 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.439 couple times. She literally saved my life in high school. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:07.000 When I was a junior, I literally did not want 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.000 to be here. I wanted to go on that next 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.760 journey in the sky and have cocktail time up in 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.600 heaven and set up the craft store for everybody, but 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:16.480 that was. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:16.840 Not to be. 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.640 Thank goodness, thank you. But if it wasn't for her 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.479 Belladonna album, I would have been not here. I was 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.520 so upset and so depressed. And you introduced me to 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:28.919 her several times, So thank you. 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.560 Well, she loved meeting you, and she's such good friends 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.080 with Dall and it was just another and a long 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.160 list of great times that we've had. So I'm thrilled. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.639 So talk to me about your alchemy. 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:45.399 Well, looping this back to menopause, one of the best 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:52.000 things for menopause is Saint Clarie Sage. It's wonderful. Don't 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.199 pretend to know how it works, but it works. It 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:58.639 stops and helps with hot flashes. It is great and 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.760 it comes and rollers that you can roll it on 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.879 at the post point. You can put it on your pillow. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:10.600 Larry Sage is amazing. But I also really I live 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:19.040 by things like you know, lavender for stress. I love frankensense. 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.240 I don't know what it does, but it just makes 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.160 me happy. And when I think of Christmas and Jesus 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.560 getting it as a gift, you know who, you can't 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.040 go wrong with frankensense. But there are just so many 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:30.399 great herbs out there. 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.199 So how is your sex life? Honey? 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:34.760 While I was going to throw it back to you, 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.399 you're the one dating the younger man. Let's talk to you. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.720 Let's talk about your your a handsome young man. We 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.280 can talk about mine after. My sex life's great, great, 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.399 And Ben is so handsome, so sweet. He's so sweet 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:49.160 for you. 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.560