Speaker 1: This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. Hello there,
Speaker 1: I am Sandra Lee, and I am so excited that
Speaker 1: I have been allowed to host this podcast in honor
Speaker 1: of Shannon Dwarty. She's such an icon, and I am
Speaker 1: so in awe of her bravery, in her inspiration and
Speaker 1: her giving to all of us, not just in entertainment,
Speaker 1: but even at the end of life, in helping us
Speaker 1: understand the disease of cancer. But I myself had breast
Speaker 1: cancer and a double mistectomy, and then I went ahead
Speaker 1: and had a full hysterect to me and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: who are the people who are really involved in my
Speaker 1: life and special to me in my life that I
Speaker 1: would want to do this podcast with? And so I
Speaker 1: called upon one of my very dearest friends, Carolyn Smith Bryant. Carolyn,
Speaker 1: what I would love for you to do is share
Speaker 1: with everyone kind of what you're working on now, where
Speaker 1: you come from, all of those good things. I know everything,
Speaker 1: but I want you to say in your own words
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: I am the features editor of Sophisticated Living Nashville, which
Speaker 2: is super fun. I get to bring cover stories to Nashville.
Speaker 2: You know, stories that should be told, so I'm having
Speaker 2: a blast doing that. I just finished co writing the
Speaker 2: book of a musical called Bye Bye Love, which has
Speaker 2: some commercial interest that I can't share at this point.
Speaker 2: But you know, musicals are an exciting genre and very speculative,
Speaker 2: so I hope that this one comes to Broadway at
Speaker 2: some point soon. And I wrote with two very iconic songwriters,
Speaker 2: Desmond Child and Sharon Vaughn, and that was super fun.
Speaker 2: That was one of our COVID projects. We've been working
Speaker 2: on it for about five years. I come from New York,
Speaker 2: originally grew up in Kennet, hitting back to New York
Speaker 2: Woo and met Sandy. Our eyes met across the room
Speaker 2: over a shared love of cream colored clothing. We were
Speaker 2: both dressed head to toe in cream. We spotted each
Speaker 2: other's outfits and we've been friends ever since. And that
Speaker 2: is close to twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: And this is all before, you know, our lives changed
Speaker 1: when we heard or were fearful of the sea word.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: There's only one other woman that I just became friends
Speaker 1: with that I've met from across the room. And this
Speaker 1: really speaks to like friendships of women and being thoughtful
Speaker 1: about those friendships with women. I met a gal named
Speaker 1: Nikki Deloche who is on Hallmark. I think she just
Speaker 1: launched a movie and she used to be on The
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse Club. She also just started a podcast that's
Speaker 1: called Mind What Matters, and her love language is togetherness.
Speaker 1: What would you say your love language is?
Speaker 2: My love language is kindness and being a good listener.
Speaker 2: And I think you know that about me. I think,
Speaker 2: and it's so important and not overrated in these times
Speaker 2: that we're going through. I mean, being kind is a
Speaker 2: gift to yourself and to everyone else.
Speaker 1: Which does not mean that it's not about sex, drugs
Speaker 1: and rock and roll. Like let's get down right now,
Speaker 1: because when I were being like this very polished, very sweet,
Speaker 1: very soft, very kind girlfriend group, and we are we are,
Speaker 1: we are naughty too. We can be a little naughty
Speaker 1: and which I love about us and then we giggling
Speaker 1: cackle depending on the season. But I want to say
Speaker 1: that I was I was so taken back that you
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville. I stayed in New York in that time,
Speaker 1: and I was in the hospital having my double mistectomy,
Speaker 1: and you flew in for the day just to sit
Speaker 1: with me in the hospital room. And I can't remember
Speaker 1: the day I was redecorating my hospital room, which was
Speaker 1: the day after my surgery, or if that was the
Speaker 1: day I was on my face, you were on.
Speaker 2: Your face that day. You were absolutely in pain, you
Speaker 2: were exhausted, your body obviously was healing. And no, you
Speaker 2: were definitely not redecorating your room or a I would
Speaker 2: have helped or be told you to get back to bed.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were redecorating the day after the room.
Speaker 1: Next you did the day after. You have a double mistect.
Speaker 1: To me, nobody gets the point that you're still amped
Speaker 1: up on these drugs and on adrenaline and all those things,
Speaker 1: and it's not that painful that first. That first very
Speaker 1: next day you're like bionic. I was on the phone
Speaker 1: making business calls. I was doing all this stuff, redecorating
Speaker 1: my room, reorganizing my flowers, and then the next day, boom.
Speaker 1: I was down for two straight weeks, I think. But
Speaker 1: you came and then when you had your double misteckt
Speaker 1: to me, it was planned. So I got on a
Speaker 1: plane and I came to Franklin for a week and
Speaker 1: we had so much fun, none of which you remember.
Speaker 1: My husband, Della and I which I'm throwing Dell under
Speaker 1: the bus in this anaima you.
Speaker 2: Would love it. He expects nothing less.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I ate everything under the sun. And you
Speaker 1: were in bed. I crawled in bed with you more
Speaker 1: often than not. And your mom would come in to
Speaker 1: change your drains and to do whatever.
Speaker 2: And she was always.
Speaker 1: Scowling at us like we were twelve.
Speaker 2: Absolutely she wanted me to rest.
Speaker 1: I know, and we we're just like giggling. And I think,
Speaker 1: but I really think that that is part of healing. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: laughing and being together.
Speaker 2: Laughing is a part of healing through everything in life.
Speaker 2: And it's just a daily mechanism to get through the small,
Speaker 2: mundane moments and you know what, tough moments in life.
Speaker 2: So smiling and humor is important.
Speaker 1: So everybody knows that kind of knows that I've created
Speaker 1: semi homemade and I'm a little naughty, mostly nice. I
Speaker 1: do the cocktail times and the two shots of vodka,
Speaker 1: and I created tablescapes and did all of those things.
Speaker 1: After I had my double mastectomy, I actually felt sexier.
Speaker 1: I liked being I mean, I've had reconstruction since, but
Speaker 1: I liked kind of being flat and free. Does that
Speaker 1: sound weird. Does that sound odd?
Speaker 2: No, No, it doesn't. No. Actually, and my doctor took
Speaker 2: me in the opposite direction, which I was so annoyed about.
Speaker 2: He made me three sizes too big, even though if
Speaker 2: I remember that, but they were up to my clavicle
Speaker 2: and they were enormous, and I was pissed for about
Speaker 2: three years, and then I finally said, I'm going to
Speaker 2: do something about this, and I had them redone. But apparently, ladies,
Speaker 2: if you're considering this prophylactically or after a battle of
Speaker 2: the cancer, sometimes the doctors will make you a little
Speaker 2: bit bigger based on your frame or what they think
Speaker 2: you ought to look like.
Speaker 1: So just something to know, Well, you and I are.
Speaker 1: You know we're taller women. I'm five nine. I don't
Speaker 1: know how tall you are.
Speaker 2: I have ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have ten. And I know you have one
Speaker 1: size above me and shoe size I do because you
Speaker 1: have the best. She's like sex and Okay, everybody who's listening.
Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for listening and being patient
Speaker 1: with me, because it's my first podcast. I've never done
Speaker 1: it before, so I don't know if I'm doing well
Speaker 1: or not. But Carolyn Smith Bryant is like the sex
Speaker 1: in the City of shoes and bags. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to be six five when you
Speaker 1: put on your stilettos.
Speaker 2: I am, and being back in New York across from
Speaker 2: where I used to work in my office, CNN caught
Speaker 2: me one time where I'm towering at about six '
Speaker 2: three and said, why do you wear heels? And I
Speaker 2: just threw my head back in a demonic laugh and
Speaker 2: cackled because it brings me power. And they played that
Speaker 2: all over the nation. But anyway, I no longer wear
Speaker 2: them for power, but just for me. And we talk
Speaker 2: about fabulous outfits of your blue ribbon, your blue room championship,
Speaker 2: making championship, your outfits. Can we just talk about those
Speaker 2: for a moment. They were off the chaine, my friend,
Speaker 2: thank you, absolutely gorgeous, one better than the next.
Speaker 1: Netflix let me style all that, and I was really
Speaker 1: happy because it needed to be my own style. I
Speaker 1: created that show, the Blue Ribbon Faking Championship twelve years ago, Carolyn.
Speaker 1: It took me twelve years to get that thing on
Speaker 1: the air.
Speaker 2: Netflix was the perfect place for it. And it's a
Speaker 2: fabulous show, not just because you look amazing, but I
Speaker 2: love Jason Biggs. He's so funny and your judges are amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have to talk about Noddy, not sex. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about sex.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Okay, let's go there.
Speaker 1: You first after you had your double instec to me
Speaker 1: and had all your stuff. And what I love about
Speaker 1: sharing this is we both had these issues. There are
Speaker 1: next generations that are going to come with these issues.
Speaker 1: There's women going through issue right now. There's women on
Speaker 1: the other side of the issues. There's women looking at
Speaker 1: what their next journey is going to be because they're
Speaker 1: going to join Shannon in heaven for the big cocktail time,
Speaker 1: which is you know, your blue ribbon right on that
Speaker 1: next journey. So let's talk about did your sex life
Speaker 1: change after your double mistectomy or your hysterectomy.
Speaker 2: Well, let's just talk about the lack of hormones that
Speaker 2: comes with No matter what kind of cancer you have
Speaker 2: or if you're doing what I did to prevent cancer,
Speaker 2: it does impact your hormones and that always impacts your
Speaker 2: intimate life. So I know that.
Speaker 1: Carolyn, there's a vagina cream. No, it's like got testosterone
Speaker 1: in it, and there's estrogen in it, and that stuff
Speaker 1: will light you on fire. I never looked at a
Speaker 1: tree that way before.
Speaker 2: Hello, send me a link.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll take a picture and send it to you.
Speaker 1: This stuff is unbelievable. It's like hot to trot. Everybody's like,
Speaker 1: you look so young. What's going on? I'm like sex,
Speaker 1: That's what's going on a lot of it.
Speaker 2: You have a significant other also, that's quite a bit younger.
Speaker 1: And Carolyn tormiando thing called Sammy. What's Sammy?
Speaker 2: Sammy is a natural mood elevator. It is great. The
Speaker 2: first time I took it, I could not stop laughing,
Speaker 2: so I'm not sure I took the correct dose. It's
Speaker 2: been around for a very long time. And we are
Speaker 2: not doctors. Sandy only plays a doctor on TV, so
Speaker 2: check check this out with your own doctor. But Samy
Speaker 2: over the counter herbal is over the counter, right, and
Speaker 2: it's been around for a very long time, which just
Speaker 2: means that people have vetted it for a very long time.
Speaker 2: But it's great.
Speaker 1: Okay that Carolyn takes Sammy's to make her happy, and
Speaker 1: I have vaginny cream. All right, So we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about something that happened, and you're going to tell me, actually,
Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, So I go down to visit Carolyn
Speaker 1: on one of my many trips to Franklin, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, has the best antiquing. I love Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: It's right next to Leaper's Fork. I think justin Timberlake
Speaker 1: owns most of that town. Great Pockets, food, chest pie,
Speaker 1: oh God, bands, Sunday Morning, fire Pits, coffee. Can't say
Speaker 1: enough about Leaper's Fork. And Franklin is just this is
Speaker 1: like jewel of a town.
Speaker 2: Like jewel.
Speaker 1: Kathylee Giffard lives.
Speaker 2: There, she does, and Shannon live there, and Dann live there.
Speaker 2: Shannon lived there.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god where she Yes.
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure because unfortunately I met her about
Speaker 2: a month before she passed away, and she said we
Speaker 2: have to hang out, and then I got the sad
Speaker 2: news when the world got the news. But she she
Speaker 2: also loved Franklin. Oh my love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't say too much. Everybody will move there
Speaker 1: and then they'll work.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: So oh, so I come to visit you and we're
Speaker 1: sitting in the kitchen and two things, Dell, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: put the Christmas tree up? Until like a couple of
Speaker 1: days before Christmas.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hmm, yeah, that doesn't sit well with
Speaker 2: someone who invented table scapes.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, Dell, I have good news for you.
Speaker 1: She's not putting it up November first, which is my idea,
Speaker 1: or even the day after Thanksgiving. And so Carolyn, I
Speaker 1: would look at you and I'm like, Carolyn, seriously, you
Speaker 1: can't put your Christmas tree up or kind of and
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm working on it. So now the Christmas
Speaker 1: tree goes up.
Speaker 2: When Christmas tree goes up about mid November, a full
Speaker 2: week before Thanksgiving, and you know, you know you're in
Speaker 2: a relationship. Everything takes patience from making them think it's
Speaker 2: a fair idea, right.
Speaker 1: That is the beautiful thing about being over fifty and fabulous.
Speaker 1: I'm part of this QVCS over fifty and fabulous. At
Speaker 1: this point, we've been around the turnarounds, you know, those
Speaker 1: turnarounds that you can said so many times, and we
Speaker 1: weren't doing everything, Like I don't mean that ells not
Speaker 1: doing anything, don't get me wrong. But we're organizing the house,
Speaker 1: we're organizing the holidays, we're doing the gift giving, we're
Speaker 1: making the food, we're doing all this stuff like if
Speaker 1: we want to put the Christmas tree up, like, I
Speaker 1: got good news for you. Put the Christmas tree up
Speaker 1: and we can have sex.
Speaker 2: You've given me that advice before, Dell put the Christmas
Speaker 2: tree up, and let me help you.
Speaker 1: Help you Carolyn's husband, who is the most charming man
Speaker 1: in the world. And we used to go the three
Speaker 1: of us used to go everywhere together and a Dell's
Speaker 1: parents wrote so many great songs. They wrote Rocky Top,
Speaker 1: which is the Tennessee fight song. And I've been to
Speaker 1: a Tennessee game with you. Great apparel. I think so
Speaker 1: you are helping run that brand for.
Speaker 2: The time being. I absolutely am. We have a bunch
Speaker 2: of things in the works.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I went to Walmart with you, and I
Speaker 1: have also been with walm Mark, QVC and Walmart for
Speaker 1: like over thirty years. It was so nice to see
Speaker 1: your stuff in Walmart.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so gratifying to see their works all over
Speaker 2: everything from wrapping paper, you know, T shirt, sweatshirts, the
Speaker 2: obvious things.
Speaker 1: Can you sing Rocky Top? I can't. They'll tell us.
Speaker 2: That I was on old Rocky Top down on the
Speaker 2: Tennessee Hills. Ain't no smokey smog on Rocky Top. Ain't
Speaker 2: no telephone bills.
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to talking about compelling journeys.
Speaker 1: We know and are so honored to be here because
Speaker 1: Shannon started something pretty fantastic and is an inspiration to
Speaker 1: all of us, and her story was so compelling. What
Speaker 1: is the one thing that you think that you learned
Speaker 1: from you taking control of your health journey yourself? Like,
Speaker 1: what did you learn from that experience?
Speaker 2: I've learned that it's okay to be raw and vulnerable
Speaker 2: and honest. And I called myself the town crier of
Speaker 2: menopause because I found that nobody was talking about it.
Speaker 2: Nobody was talking about these intimate things. And I was
Speaker 2: the first person to tell people, Yeah, I've got stuff
Speaker 2: hanging out and I'm tacking it back up and I'm
Speaker 2: taking everything out I don't need, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: be perky forever. And to go back to what you
Speaker 2: said about laughter, being raw, being honest, being authentic and
Speaker 2: laughing about it, and it just this is what Shannon
Speaker 2: did with this podcast. It just opens people up to
Speaker 2: tell about their own story, or their mother's story, or
Speaker 2: their sisters or best friends or you know, we're all impacted.
Speaker 2: So we all have stories to tell and it's okay
Speaker 2: and younger, yes, frightfully so. But the reason why people
Speaker 2: don't talk about it also is they think that sometimes
Speaker 2: that it ages them, and age is age is a gift.
Speaker 2: I mean, do I like the wrinkle here and there? No?
Speaker 2: Do I love and I like your wrinkles. I love
Speaker 2: your beautiful face that is so beautiful, and I just
Speaker 2: like the inside of you.
Speaker 1: You know, some people think because they watched me on
Speaker 1: Semi Homemade, we're have in the past, or they see
Speaker 1: me on Best and Fair or whatever it is, they
Speaker 1: because we're edited so specifically. You know, when I did
Speaker 1: Semi home made, it was four recipes, a cocktail, two
Speaker 1: wardrobe changes, and a whole table scape. There was no
Speaker 1: time to be naughty or to say much other than
Speaker 1: you know, put this in the bowl and do that
Speaker 1: with the bowl, and you know this that and the
Speaker 1: other thing. But there was no time to really have
Speaker 1: that kind of like personality. So now that people see
Speaker 1: my real personality, some love it, some are horrified, and
Speaker 1: you know what, love hurts.
Speaker 2: Love hurts, But you know what I know, But you
Speaker 2: weren't pooling anyone when it came down to cocktail time.
Speaker 2: You're naughtiness came out in that part of the segment.
Speaker 2: I used to look at it and see, my god,
Speaker 2: I'd be on my face. But you shot the Monca,
Speaker 2: always always tasty, and everything you've done is just so beautiful,
Speaker 2: so much fun.
Speaker 1: So I have a nephew, a godson if you well name,
Speaker 1: which is Carolyn's son. And Carolyn you had Tad later
Speaker 1: on in life. But before you're going to tell the
Speaker 1: Tad story, which is a whole inspiration. Before you tell
Speaker 1: the Tad story, I just want to say, Tad, I'm
Speaker 1: holding you to the fact that when Aunt Sandy Claws,
Speaker 1: Aunt Sandy and your mom were in Paris walking all
Speaker 1: over the Shaunsey Leez trying to buy you color markers
Speaker 1: when you were five, we had a conversation. Listen to
Speaker 1: Aunt Sandy, you are going to be pushing us in
Speaker 1: our wheelchairs in Paris when we're old, all of us,
Speaker 1: so start working out. But not that you need to
Speaker 1: start working out. So tell tell you were Gizelle before
Speaker 1: Gizelle was Gizelle in that you were having a later
Speaker 1: in life.
Speaker 2: Baby, Well, you just made my day being compared to
Speaker 2: Giselle in anyway is such an honor. But yes, I
Speaker 2: had my well, I had tad at thirty nine and
Speaker 2: then quickly turned forty because in New York, as you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of women are just career focused, career obsessed.
Speaker 2: And then and.
Speaker 1: You were on Wall Street and during all you went
Speaker 1: to Harvard I mean yes.
Speaker 2: Online the business school to help merchandise Rocky Top and
Speaker 2: other parts of our famili's made the catalog.
Speaker 1: And later in life you decided to have a baby
Speaker 1: and coming into the world. What is it like to
Speaker 1: have a baby later on in life? I would think
Speaker 1: it would be much better because I feel so much
Speaker 1: more solid in myself and where I want to go
Speaker 1: and what I want to do and how I want
Speaker 1: to do it. And when I was thirty nine and forty,
Speaker 1: I was determined. I was not taking no for an answer,
Speaker 1: and I was running like a thoroughbread But you were
Speaker 1: burthing I was.
Speaker 2: And I can sum it up in one word. I
Speaker 2: had patience. I come from a long line of impatient people,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't until I was about thirty nine when
Speaker 2: I finally was patient enough and I felt like I
Speaker 2: had done part one of my journey as a woman,
Speaker 2: and accomplishing things, but I was patient enough to just
Speaker 2: really enjoy. And you know, I enjoyed every moment of motherhood,
Speaker 2: and it's all these different stages. You helped me. You
Speaker 2: would go pick them up from school with me after
Speaker 2: our Central Park hat luncheons, and it's a beautiful journey.
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it immensely.
Speaker 1: Thank you for introducing me to Stevie Nicks, like a
Speaker 1: couple times. She literally saved my life in high school.
Speaker 1: When I was a junior, I literally did not want
Speaker 1: to be here. I wanted to go on that next
Speaker 1: journey in the sky and have cocktail time up in
Speaker 1: heaven and set up the craft store for everybody, but
Speaker 1: that was.
Speaker 2: Not to be.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, thank you. But if it wasn't for her
Speaker 1: Belladonna album, I would have been not here. I was
Speaker 1: so upset and so depressed. And you introduced me to
Speaker 1: her several times, So thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, she loved meeting you, and she's such good friends
Speaker 2: with Dall and it was just another and a long
Speaker 2: list of great times that we've had. So I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about your alchemy.
Speaker 2: Well, looping this back to menopause, one of the best
Speaker 2: things for menopause is Saint Clarie Sage. It's wonderful. Don't
Speaker 2: pretend to know how it works, but it works. It
Speaker 2: stops and helps with hot flashes. It is great and
Speaker 2: it comes and rollers that you can roll it on
Speaker 2: at the post point. You can put it on your pillow.
Speaker 2: Larry Sage is amazing. But I also really I live
Speaker 2: by things like you know, lavender for stress. I love frankensense.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it does, but it just makes
Speaker 2: me happy. And when I think of Christmas and Jesus
Speaker 2: getting it as a gift, you know who, you can't
Speaker 2: go wrong with frankensense. But there are just so many
Speaker 2: great herbs out there.
Speaker 1: So how is your sex life? Honey?
Speaker 2: While I was going to throw it back to you,
Speaker 2: you're the one dating the younger man. Let's talk to you.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your your a handsome young man. We
Speaker 2: can talk about mine after. My sex life's great, great,
Speaker 2: And Ben is so handsome, so sweet. He's so sweet
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: No, he's super super sweet. And I do have to
Speaker 1: say that. I you know, everything's a trade off. You
Speaker 1: know that everything in a relationship is a trade off,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do that, because nobody is perfect.
Speaker 1: What I love about him is that he's transparent, overly transparent,
Speaker 1: almost like hey honey, inside voice. He is loyal, he
Speaker 1: is connected, and he is available emotionally physically like he's available.
Speaker 1: And what I don't like is that he's a little messy.
Speaker 2: And you know me, well, I mean, if that's that's
Speaker 2: the worst of it, that's great. I love the way
Speaker 2: he looks at you in every picture, and I'm just
Speaker 2: happy for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's been a really interesting ride. I decided
Speaker 1: after my double mastectomy and my breast cancer journey and
Speaker 1: then my uncle's diagnosis, I just had to change my life.
Speaker 1: I just I was in New York. I was in
Speaker 1: a totally different situation in life.
Speaker 2: We know, you know.
Speaker 1: That that was a challenging time for a while before
Speaker 1: I decided to leave and to change my life. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's one of the beautiful things that
Speaker 1: I love about Shannon's story is that she was married
Speaker 1: and decided to get divorced in her last year of
Speaker 1: her life. And I think that that is just right
Speaker 1: up there with life too short, Like if you're not
Speaker 1: happy or it's not happening, and you need to move on,
Speaker 1: like you need to move on, and making those decisions
Speaker 1: are They're.
Speaker 2: Tough, absolutely, and that's the ultimate. And recharging your battery,
Speaker 2: which is what you needed. But back to our Shannon,
Speaker 2: Shannon's journey and having the bravery to say, I think
Speaker 2: I know where this cancer journey is going, and yet
Speaker 2: I'm going to end this relationship and recharge my battery.
Speaker 2: She was just a badass and so brave. I'll be
Speaker 2: forever grateful to her. She was so kind. That's like
Speaker 2: my favorite word these days. She was kind and inspirational.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do this podcast. I'm so grateful for you for being
Speaker 1: with me on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I'd loved it and we're thinking about you, Shannon and
Speaker 2: all the Let's be clear listeners. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody.