1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: This is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. Hello there, 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: I am Sandra Lee, and I am so excited that 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: I have been allowed to host this podcast in honor 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: of Shannon Dwarty. She's such an icon, and I am 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: so in awe of her bravery, in her inspiration and 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: her giving to all of us, not just in entertainment, 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: but even at the end of life, in helping us 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: understand the disease of cancer. But I myself had breast 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: cancer and a double mistectomy, and then I went ahead 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: and had a full hysterect to me and I was thinking, 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: who are the people who are really involved in my 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: life and special to me in my life that I 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: would want to do this podcast with? And so I 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: called upon one of my very dearest friends, Carolyn Smith Bryant. Carolyn, 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: what I would love for you to do is share 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: with everyone kind of what you're working on now, where 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: you come from, all of those good things. I know everything, 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 1: but I want you to say in your own words 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: right now. 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: I am the features editor of Sophisticated Living Nashville, which 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: is super fun. I get to bring cover stories to Nashville. 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: You know, stories that should be told, so I'm having 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: a blast doing that. I just finished co writing the 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 2: book of a musical called Bye Bye Love, which has 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: some commercial interest that I can't share at this point. 26 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: But you know, musicals are an exciting genre and very speculative, 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: so I hope that this one comes to Broadway at 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: some point soon. And I wrote with two very iconic songwriters, 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: Desmond Child and Sharon Vaughn, and that was super fun. 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: That was one of our COVID projects. We've been working 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: on it for about five years. I come from New York, 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: originally grew up in Kennet, hitting back to New York 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: Woo and met Sandy. Our eyes met across the room 34 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: over a shared love of cream colored clothing. We were 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: both dressed head to toe in cream. We spotted each 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: other's outfits and we've been friends ever since. And that 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: is close to twenty years ago. 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: And this is all before, you know, our lives changed 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: when we heard or were fearful of the sea word. 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: And so. 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: There's only one other woman that I just became friends 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: with that I've met from across the room. And this 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: really speaks to like friendships of women and being thoughtful 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: about those friendships with women. I met a gal named 45 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: Nikki Deloche who is on Hallmark. I think she just 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: launched a movie and she used to be on The 47 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse Club. She also just started a podcast that's 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: called Mind What Matters, and her love language is togetherness. 49 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: What would you say your love language is? 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: My love language is kindness and being a good listener. 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: And I think you know that about me. I think, 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: and it's so important and not overrated in these times 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: that we're going through. I mean, being kind is a 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 2: gift to yourself and to everyone else. 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Which does not mean that it's not about sex, drugs 56 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: and rock and roll. Like let's get down right now, 57 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: because when I were being like this very polished, very sweet, 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: very soft, very kind girlfriend group, and we are we are, 59 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: we are naughty too. We can be a little naughty 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: and which I love about us and then we giggling 61 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: cackle depending on the season. But I want to say 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: that I was I was so taken back that you 63 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: moved to Nashville. I stayed in New York in that time, 64 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: and I was in the hospital having my double mistectomy, 65 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: and you flew in for the day just to sit 66 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: with me in the hospital room. And I can't remember 67 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: the day I was redecorating my hospital room, which was 68 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: the day after my surgery, or if that was the 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: day I was on my face, you were on. 70 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: Your face that day. You were absolutely in pain, you 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: were exhausted, your body obviously was healing. And no, you 72 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: were definitely not redecorating your room or a I would 73 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: have helped or be told you to get back to bed. 74 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know you were redecorating the day after the room. 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: Next you did the day after. You have a double mistect. 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: To me, nobody gets the point that you're still amped 77 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: up on these drugs and on adrenaline and all those things, 78 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: and it's not that painful that first. That first very 79 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: next day you're like bionic. I was on the phone 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: making business calls. I was doing all this stuff, redecorating 81 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: my room, reorganizing my flowers, and then the next day, boom. 82 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: I was down for two straight weeks, I think. But 83 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: you came and then when you had your double misteckt 84 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: to me, it was planned. So I got on a 85 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: plane and I came to Franklin for a week and 86 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: we had so much fun, none of which you remember. 87 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: My husband, Della and I which I'm throwing Dell under 88 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: the bus in this anaima you. 89 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: Would love it. He expects nothing less. 90 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I ate everything under the sun. And you 91 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: were in bed. I crawled in bed with you more 92 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: often than not. And your mom would come in to 93 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: change your drains and to do whatever. 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: And she was always. 95 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Scowling at us like we were twelve. 96 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely she wanted me to rest. 97 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: I know, and we we're just like giggling. And I think, 98 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: but I really think that that is part of healing. Absolutely, 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: laughing and being together. 100 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: Laughing is a part of healing through everything in life. 101 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: And it's just a daily mechanism to get through the small, 102 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: mundane moments and you know what, tough moments in life. 103 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: So smiling and humor is important. 104 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: So everybody knows that kind of knows that I've created 105 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: semi homemade and I'm a little naughty, mostly nice. I 106 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: do the cocktail times and the two shots of vodka, 107 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: and I created tablescapes and did all of those things. 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: After I had my double mastectomy, I actually felt sexier. 109 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: I liked being I mean, I've had reconstruction since, but 110 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: I liked kind of being flat and free. Does that 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: sound weird. Does that sound odd? 112 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: No, No, it doesn't. No. Actually, and my doctor took 113 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: me in the opposite direction, which I was so annoyed about. 114 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: He made me three sizes too big, even though if 115 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: I remember that, but they were up to my clavicle 116 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 2: and they were enormous, and I was pissed for about 117 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: three years, and then I finally said, I'm going to 118 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: do something about this, and I had them redone. But apparently, ladies, 119 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: if you're considering this prophylactically or after a battle of 120 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: the cancer, sometimes the doctors will make you a little 121 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: bit bigger based on your frame or what they think 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: you ought to look like. 123 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: So just something to know, Well, you and I are. 124 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: You know we're taller women. I'm five nine. I don't 125 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: know how tall you are. 126 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: I have ten. 127 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have ten. And I know you have one 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: size above me and shoe size I do because you 129 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: have the best. She's like sex and Okay, everybody who's listening. 130 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for listening and being patient 131 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: with me, because it's my first podcast. I've never done 132 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: it before, so I don't know if I'm doing well 133 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: or not. But Carolyn Smith Bryant is like the sex 134 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: in the City of shoes and bags. I'm just saying, 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to be six five when you 136 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: put on your stilettos. 137 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: I am, and being back in New York across from 138 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: where I used to work in my office, CNN caught 139 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: me one time where I'm towering at about six ' 140 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: three and said, why do you wear heels? And I 141 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: just threw my head back in a demonic laugh and 142 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: cackled because it brings me power. And they played that 143 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: all over the nation. But anyway, I no longer wear 144 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: them for power, but just for me. And we talk 145 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: about fabulous outfits of your blue ribbon, your blue room championship, 146 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: making championship, your outfits. Can we just talk about those 147 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: for a moment. They were off the chaine, my friend, 148 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: thank you, absolutely gorgeous, one better than the next. 149 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: Netflix let me style all that, and I was really 150 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: happy because it needed to be my own style. I 151 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: created that show, the Blue Ribbon Faking Championship twelve years ago, Carolyn. 152 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: It took me twelve years to get that thing on 153 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: the air. 154 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: Netflix was the perfect place for it. And it's a 155 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: fabulous show, not just because you look amazing, but I 156 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: love Jason Biggs. He's so funny and your judges are amazing. 157 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: Okay, we have to talk about Noddy, not sex. Let's 158 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: talk about sex. 159 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: Let's do it. Okay, let's go there. 160 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: You first after you had your double instec to me 161 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: and had all your stuff. And what I love about 162 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: sharing this is we both had these issues. There are 163 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: next generations that are going to come with these issues. 164 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: There's women going through issue right now. There's women on 165 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: the other side of the issues. There's women looking at 166 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: what their next journey is going to be because they're 167 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: going to join Shannon in heaven for the big cocktail time, 168 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: which is you know, your blue ribbon right on that 169 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: next journey. So let's talk about did your sex life 170 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: change after your double mistectomy or your hysterectomy. 171 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: Well, let's just talk about the lack of hormones that 172 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: comes with No matter what kind of cancer you have 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: or if you're doing what I did to prevent cancer, 174 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: it does impact your hormones and that always impacts your 175 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: intimate life. So I know that. 176 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: Carolyn, there's a vagina cream. No, it's like got testosterone 177 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: in it, and there's estrogen in it, and that stuff 178 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: will light you on fire. I never looked at a 179 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: tree that way before. 180 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: Hello, send me a link. 181 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: Well, I'll take a picture and send it to you. 182 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: This stuff is unbelievable. It's like hot to trot. Everybody's like, 183 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: you look so young. What's going on? I'm like sex, 184 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: That's what's going on a lot of it. 185 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: You have a significant other also, that's quite a bit younger. 186 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: And Carolyn tormiando thing called Sammy. What's Sammy? 187 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: Sammy is a natural mood elevator. It is great. The 188 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: first time I took it, I could not stop laughing, 189 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: so I'm not sure I took the correct dose. It's 190 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: been around for a very long time. And we are 191 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: not doctors. Sandy only plays a doctor on TV, so 192 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: check check this out with your own doctor. But Samy 193 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: over the counter herbal is over the counter, right, and 194 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: it's been around for a very long time, which just 195 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: means that people have vetted it for a very long time. 196 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: But it's great. 197 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: Okay that Carolyn takes Sammy's to make her happy, and 198 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: I have vaginny cream. All right, So we're going to 199 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: talk about something that happened, and you're going to tell me, actually, 200 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: what happened. Okay, So I go down to visit Carolyn 201 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: on one of my many trips to Franklin, who, by 202 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the way, has the best antiquing. I love Franklin, Tennessee. 203 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: It's right next to Leaper's Fork. I think justin Timberlake 204 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: owns most of that town. Great Pockets, food, chest pie, 205 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: oh God, bands, Sunday Morning, fire Pits, coffee. Can't say 206 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: enough about Leaper's Fork. And Franklin is just this is 207 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: like jewel of a town. 208 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: Like jewel. 209 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Kathylee Giffard lives. 210 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: There, she does, and Shannon live there, and Dann live there. 211 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: Shannon lived there. 212 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god where she Yes. 213 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure because unfortunately I met her about 214 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: a month before she passed away, and she said we 215 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: have to hang out, and then I got the sad 216 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: news when the world got the news. But she she 217 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: also loved Franklin. Oh my love. 218 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't say too much. Everybody will move there 219 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: and then they'll work. 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: No. 221 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: So oh, so I come to visit you and we're 222 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: sitting in the kitchen and two things, Dell, wouldn't you 223 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: put the Christmas tree up? Until like a couple of 224 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: days before Christmas. 225 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 2: And I'm like, hmm, yeah, that doesn't sit well with 226 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: someone who invented table scapes. 227 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: Now I'm like, Dell, I have good news for you. 228 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: She's not putting it up November first, which is my idea, 229 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: or even the day after Thanksgiving. And so Carolyn, I 230 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: would look at you and I'm like, Carolyn, seriously, you 231 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: can't put your Christmas tree up or kind of and 232 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm working on it. So now the Christmas 233 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: tree goes up. 234 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: When Christmas tree goes up about mid November, a full 235 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: week before Thanksgiving, and you know, you know you're in 236 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: a relationship. Everything takes patience from making them think it's 237 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: a fair idea, right. 238 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: That is the beautiful thing about being over fifty and fabulous. 239 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm part of this QVCS over fifty and fabulous. At 240 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: this point, we've been around the turnarounds, you know, those 241 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: turnarounds that you can said so many times, and we 242 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: weren't doing everything, Like I don't mean that ells not 243 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: doing anything, don't get me wrong. But we're organizing the house, 244 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: we're organizing the holidays, we're doing the gift giving, we're 245 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: making the food, we're doing all this stuff like if 246 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: we want to put the Christmas tree up, like, I 247 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: got good news for you. Put the Christmas tree up 248 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: and we can have sex. 249 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: You've given me that advice before, Dell put the Christmas 250 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: tree up, and let me help you. 251 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: Help you Carolyn's husband, who is the most charming man 252 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: in the world. And we used to go the three 253 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: of us used to go everywhere together and a Dell's 254 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: parents wrote so many great songs. They wrote Rocky Top, 255 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: which is the Tennessee fight song. And I've been to 256 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: a Tennessee game with you. Great apparel. I think so 257 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: you are helping run that brand for. 258 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: The time being. I absolutely am. We have a bunch 259 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: of things in the works. 260 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I went to Walmart with you, and I 261 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: have also been with walm Mark, QVC and Walmart for 262 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: like over thirty years. It was so nice to see 263 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: your stuff in Walmart. 264 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: Oh, it's so gratifying to see their works all over 265 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 2: everything from wrapping paper, you know, T shirt, sweatshirts, the 266 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: obvious things. 267 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: Can you sing Rocky Top? I can't. They'll tell us. 268 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: That I was on old Rocky Top down on the 269 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: Tennessee Hills. Ain't no smokey smog on Rocky Top. Ain't 270 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: no telephone bills. 271 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: So I want to go back to talking about compelling journeys. 272 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: We know and are so honored to be here because 273 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: Shannon started something pretty fantastic and is an inspiration to 274 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: all of us, and her story was so compelling. What 275 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: is the one thing that you think that you learned 276 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: from you taking control of your health journey yourself? Like, 277 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: what did you learn from that experience? 278 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: I've learned that it's okay to be raw and vulnerable 279 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: and honest. And I called myself the town crier of 280 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: menopause because I found that nobody was talking about it. 281 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: Nobody was talking about these intimate things. And I was 282 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: the first person to tell people, Yeah, I've got stuff 283 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: hanging out and I'm tacking it back up and I'm 284 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: taking everything out I don't need, and I'm going to 285 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: be perky forever. And to go back to what you 286 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: said about laughter, being raw, being honest, being authentic and 287 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: laughing about it, and it just this is what Shannon 288 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: did with this podcast. It just opens people up to 289 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: tell about their own story, or their mother's story, or 290 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: their sisters or best friends or you know, we're all impacted. 291 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: So we all have stories to tell and it's okay 292 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: and younger, yes, frightfully so. But the reason why people 293 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: don't talk about it also is they think that sometimes 294 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: that it ages them, and age is age is a gift. 295 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: I mean, do I like the wrinkle here and there? No? 296 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: Do I love and I like your wrinkles. I love 297 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: your beautiful face that is so beautiful, and I just 298 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: like the inside of you. 299 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: You know, some people think because they watched me on 300 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: Semi Homemade, we're have in the past, or they see 301 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: me on Best and Fair or whatever it is, they 302 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: because we're edited so specifically. You know, when I did 303 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: Semi home made, it was four recipes, a cocktail, two 304 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: wardrobe changes, and a whole table scape. There was no 305 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: time to be naughty or to say much other than 306 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, put this in the bowl and do that 307 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: with the bowl, and you know this that and the 308 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: other thing. But there was no time to really have 309 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: that kind of like personality. So now that people see 310 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: my real personality, some love it, some are horrified, and 311 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: you know what, love hurts. 312 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: Love hurts, But you know what I know, But you 313 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: weren't pooling anyone when it came down to cocktail time. 314 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: You're naughtiness came out in that part of the segment. 315 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: I used to look at it and see, my god, 316 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: I'd be on my face. But you shot the Monca, 317 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: always always tasty, and everything you've done is just so beautiful, 318 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: so much fun. 319 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: So I have a nephew, a godson if you well name, 320 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: which is Carolyn's son. And Carolyn you had Tad later 321 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: on in life. But before you're going to tell the 322 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: Tad story, which is a whole inspiration. Before you tell 323 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: the Tad story, I just want to say, Tad, I'm 324 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: holding you to the fact that when Aunt Sandy Claws, 325 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: Aunt Sandy and your mom were in Paris walking all 326 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: over the Shaunsey Leez trying to buy you color markers 327 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: when you were five, we had a conversation. Listen to 328 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: Aunt Sandy, you are going to be pushing us in 329 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: our wheelchairs in Paris when we're old, all of us, 330 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: so start working out. But not that you need to 331 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: start working out. So tell tell you were Gizelle before 332 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: Gizelle was Gizelle in that you were having a later 333 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: in life. 334 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: Baby, Well, you just made my day being compared to 335 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: Giselle in anyway is such an honor. But yes, I 336 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 2: had my well, I had tad at thirty nine and 337 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: then quickly turned forty because in New York, as you know, 338 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: a lot of women are just career focused, career obsessed. 339 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: And then and. 340 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: You were on Wall Street and during all you went 341 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: to Harvard I mean yes. 342 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: Online the business school to help merchandise Rocky Top and 343 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: other parts of our famili's made the catalog. 344 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: And later in life you decided to have a baby 345 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: and coming into the world. What is it like to 346 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: have a baby later on in life? I would think 347 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: it would be much better because I feel so much 348 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: more solid in myself and where I want to go 349 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: and what I want to do and how I want 350 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: to do it. And when I was thirty nine and forty, 351 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: I was determined. I was not taking no for an answer, 352 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: and I was running like a thoroughbread But you were 353 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: burthing I was. 354 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: And I can sum it up in one word. I 355 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: had patience. I come from a long line of impatient people, 356 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: so it wasn't until I was about thirty nine when 357 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: I finally was patient enough and I felt like I 358 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: had done part one of my journey as a woman, 359 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: and accomplishing things, but I was patient enough to just 360 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: really enjoy. And you know, I enjoyed every moment of motherhood, 361 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: and it's all these different stages. You helped me. You 362 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: would go pick them up from school with me after 363 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: our Central Park hat luncheons, and it's a beautiful journey. 364 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: I've enjoyed it immensely. 365 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: Thank you for introducing me to Stevie Nicks, like a 366 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: couple times. She literally saved my life in high school. 367 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: When I was a junior, I literally did not want 368 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: to be here. I wanted to go on that next 369 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: journey in the sky and have cocktail time up in 370 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: heaven and set up the craft store for everybody, but 371 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: that was. 372 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Not to be. 373 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: Thank goodness, thank you. But if it wasn't for her 374 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: Belladonna album, I would have been not here. I was 375 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: so upset and so depressed. And you introduced me to 376 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: her several times, So thank you. 377 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: Well, she loved meeting you, and she's such good friends 378 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: with Dall and it was just another and a long 379 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 2: list of great times that we've had. So I'm thrilled. 380 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: So talk to me about your alchemy. 381 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: Well, looping this back to menopause, one of the best 382 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: things for menopause is Saint Clarie Sage. It's wonderful. Don't 383 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: pretend to know how it works, but it works. It 384 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: stops and helps with hot flashes. It is great and 385 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: it comes and rollers that you can roll it on 386 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: at the post point. You can put it on your pillow. 387 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: Larry Sage is amazing. But I also really I live 388 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: by things like you know, lavender for stress. I love frankensense. 389 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what it does, but it just makes 390 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: me happy. And when I think of Christmas and Jesus 391 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: getting it as a gift, you know who, you can't 392 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: go wrong with frankensense. But there are just so many 393 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: great herbs out there. 394 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: So how is your sex life? Honey? 395 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: While I was going to throw it back to you, 396 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: you're the one dating the younger man. Let's talk to you. 397 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: Let's talk about your your a handsome young man. We 398 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: can talk about mine after. My sex life's great, great, 399 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: And Ben is so handsome, so sweet. He's so sweet 400 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: for you. 401 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: No, he's super super sweet. And I do have to 402 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: say that. I you know, everything's a trade off. You 403 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: know that everything in a relationship is a trade off, 404 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do that, because nobody is perfect. 405 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: What I love about him is that he's transparent, overly transparent, 406 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: almost like hey honey, inside voice. He is loyal, he 407 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: is connected, and he is available emotionally physically like he's available. 408 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: And what I don't like is that he's a little messy. 409 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: And you know me, well, I mean, if that's that's 410 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: the worst of it, that's great. I love the way 411 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: he looks at you in every picture, and I'm just 412 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: happy for you. 413 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's been a really interesting ride. I decided 414 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: after my double mastectomy and my breast cancer journey and 415 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: then my uncle's diagnosis, I just had to change my life. 416 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: I just I was in New York. I was in 417 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: a totally different situation in life. 418 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: We know, you know. 419 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: That that was a challenging time for a while before 420 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: I decided to leave and to change my life. And 421 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 1: I think that that's one of the beautiful things that 422 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: I love about Shannon's story is that she was married 423 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: and decided to get divorced in her last year of 424 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: her life. And I think that that is just right 425 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: up there with life too short, Like if you're not 426 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: happy or it's not happening, and you need to move on, 427 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: like you need to move on, and making those decisions 428 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: are They're. 429 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: Tough, absolutely, and that's the ultimate. And recharging your battery, 430 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: which is what you needed. But back to our Shannon, 431 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: Shannon's journey and having the bravery to say, I think 432 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: I know where this cancer journey is going, and yet 433 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to end this relationship and recharge my battery. 434 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: She was just a badass and so brave. I'll be 435 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: forever grateful to her. She was so kind. That's like 436 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: my favorite word these days. She was kind and inspirational. 437 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to 438 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: do this podcast. I'm so grateful for you for being 439 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: with me on this podcast. 440 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: I'd loved it and we're thinking about you, Shannon and 441 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: all the Let's be clear listeners. Thank you so much. 442 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: Thank you everybody.