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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody. This is the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton Show. I'm Buck, He's Clay. We have much to

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Speaker 2: discuss with you today. As always, thanks for rolling with us.

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Speaker 2: The announcement comes in a matter of hours. Governor Ron

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Speaker 2: Dea Santis of Florida will be officially entering this race,

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Speaker 2: joining Elon Musk on a Twitter spaces which I think

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Speaker 2: I know what that is.

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Speaker 3: I certainly know what Twitter is, But how does this look?

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Speaker 2: How's The Trump campaign responded, as you can imagine, not

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Speaker 2: a particularly warm welcome.

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Speaker 3: From the Trump team.

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Speaker 2: At the prospect here of a Elon I mean of

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Speaker 2: a Elon launch for Ron DeSantis, which is imminent.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk more about that.

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Speaker 2: Still hearing some stuff about how a debt ceiling.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's so scary. The debt ceiling.

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Speaker 2: We may break through without We might update you on

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Speaker 2: some of that later on in the program. It seems

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Speaker 2: like there will be a deal. The brinksmanship has gotten stale,

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Speaker 2: so some of the people who like to push it

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Speaker 2: are still hoping that you will be particularly aggravated at

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Speaker 2: the prospect of some kind of major financial crisis coming

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Speaker 2: along because of this, but I don't think it's going

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Speaker 2: to happen. But the budget deal, debt ceiling thing, We've

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Speaker 2: got some more for you on that.

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Speaker 3: And also.

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Speaker 2: Target is feeling the heat right now, and I think, Clay,

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Speaker 2: that's a good place for us to start, because we've seen,

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Speaker 2: for the first time, really that I can remember, in

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Speaker 2: the last I don't know, call it the last twelve

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Speaker 2: months or so, major corporations that have gone extreme left

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Speaker 2: and very woke with their products and with the way

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Speaker 2: they present things. We've seen them start to get meaningful pushback,

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Speaker 2: not just people saying I don't like this, but financial consequences,

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Speaker 2: which is the only thing that's going to change that

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Speaker 2: corporate behavior. Right, unless it hurts the bottom line, nothing changes.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I had been frustrated for a while because

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Speaker 2: the right had been saying go woke, go broke.

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Speaker 3: And it hadn't really been true.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at Colin Kaepernick, for example, somebody

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Speaker 2: who became much more famous and much wealthier because of

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Speaker 2: his wokeness. Right, there are other examples you can point to.

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Speaker 2: We say go woke, go broke, but it hadn't really

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Speaker 2: hadn't really worked out that way. In fact, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it ever really worked out that way po

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Speaker 2: who went woke and went broke to.

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Speaker 3: It's a really it's a really good, good point.

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Speaker 4: And this is where I think the sports media, being

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Speaker 4: so far left wing, Buck has refused to acknowledge that

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Speaker 4: the NBA and the NFL really took it on the

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Speaker 4: chin over going woke right, and they really have tried

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Speaker 4: to run in the opposite direction. It took a few

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Speaker 4: years for it to register. It's unlike bud Light. And

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Speaker 4: the reason why I think bud Light's so significant, Buck

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Speaker 4: is you get a direct amount of bud Light sold

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Speaker 4: every week and people can say, holy crap, they're down

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Speaker 4: twenty eight percent. We've never seen anything like this. I

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Speaker 4: think it's harder to see in some brands than others.

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Speaker 4: But the television ratings of the NBA have collapsed. And

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Speaker 4: I think one thing is sports media is so far

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Speaker 4: left wing that no one will even acknowledge it because

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Speaker 4: they don't want to give credit to the idea that

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Speaker 4: what we said, hey, you're alienating a huge part of

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Speaker 4: the sporting public was actually true.

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Speaker 3: So I do think the NBA is.

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Speaker 4: A good example of one that took it on the chin,

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Speaker 4: and I think, to a certain extent, Disney because Disney Stockbuck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's what I was gonna say, Disney.

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Speaker 2: So going back to the timeline, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 2: Disney is the beginning of what we are seeing now.

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Speaker 2: Disney was the first one that I can think of

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Speaker 2: on the NBA, in the NFL. I mean, these guys,

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Speaker 2: you know, now you get into well, who's going broke clags?

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Speaker 2: It's not the players. They're demanding more money than ever.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: They don't feel like there's any there's no hit to

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Speaker 3: But I do think it's coming.

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Speaker 2: So that so then see that's the thing if the

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Speaker 2: if the NBA takes a fifteen or twenty percent haircut

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Speaker 2: in because of the ratings, that doesn't register in a

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Speaker 2: way that everyone feels like this is a big victory.

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Speaker 2: When bud Light is down thirty percent in one quarter,

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Speaker 2: you see the work that you have. So let's just

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Speaker 2: let's again back up for a second.

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Speaker 3: Disney.

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Speaker 2: There's this fight with Ron De Santis, and it was

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Speaker 2: interesting also to see how this plays out among conservatives

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Speaker 2: because we generally have a especially about economics. A lais

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Speaker 2: a fair attitude about things. Oh, let the market decide. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's not so clear when you have advantages being given

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Speaker 2: to a company that don't go to other companies. That

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Speaker 2: and that is also taking political action. So Disney was

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Speaker 2: the beginning of what we saw as pushback. And then

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Speaker 2: the bud Light phenomenon happened, which has put the fear

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Speaker 2: of the bottom line, to be sure, if not the

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Speaker 2: fear of the almighty into some of these companies. And

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Speaker 2: then we add to that now Target because of the

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Speaker 2: bathing suits that tuck away the man stuff, people are

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Speaker 2: showing up and saying this is a problem. And then

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Speaker 2: that brings me to the latest play. And this is

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Speaker 2: going back into the sports world. So the Los Angeles Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: and I will be honest, I have not watched a

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Speaker 2: professional baseball game, I think in almost twenty years now,

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Speaker 2: so I'm not up on the latest. But I know

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Speaker 2: of these LA Dodgers. I know they used to be

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Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Dodgers. A long time ago. They had they

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Speaker 2: had invited for pride celebration stuff. They invited this group

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Speaker 2: Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, And this is for their annual

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Speaker 2: LGBTQ Plus. I don't know why they're leaving out the IA.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really not inclusive enough. I'm gonna write

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Speaker 2: to the New York Times here because the IA the

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Speaker 2: plus isn't enough. You need the IA and then the plus.

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Speaker 3: But they were.

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Speaker 2: They invited the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, and then they

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Speaker 2: disinvited them, and now they've reinvited them for their June

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Speaker 2: sixteenth Celebration of Pride Night at Dodger Stadium. For anyone

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Speaker 2: who doesn't know, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence have been

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Speaker 2: around since I think the eighties. They are cross dressing

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Speaker 2: gay men who dress as nuns and engage in sexually

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Speaker 2: provocative public displays. You know, think strip teases, thong dances,

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Speaker 2: dressed in nuns habits, including video that you may see

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Speaker 2: circulating right now of these, you know, hairy, thirty five

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Speaker 2: year old or whatever men dressed as nuns with high

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Speaker 2: heels and thongs on doing a strip tease around somebody

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Speaker 2: pretending to be the crucified Jesus Christ, and we all

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Speaker 2: sit around saying, okay, first of all, why does anyone

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Speaker 2: in the Pride celebration community think the Sisters of Perpetual

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Speaker 2: Indulgence or a group that should be supported period. I

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Speaker 2: want to start with actually that one for everyone out there.

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Speaker 2: And then what do the LA Dodgers think the audience

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Speaker 2: that they have a lot of a lot of Catholics

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Speaker 2: in general, a lot of Christians in general, a lot

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Speaker 2: of Latino Catholics for example, who are very fond of baseball.

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Speaker 4: Probably the base of Dodger fans in LA is overwhelmingly Catholic,

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Speaker 3: I just have to ask you, Claig, I mean, you're

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Speaker 3: you're not a Catholic.

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Speaker 2: I am if they but if they had invited, let's say,

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Speaker 2: a group that did depictions of the prophet Mohammed and

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Speaker 2: then sexualized it and mocked the whole thing, would that

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Speaker 2: be okay? You know, if they did something that was

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Speaker 2: meant to mock Judaism, If they had a pride group

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Speaker 2: all you know, I can't even describe on radio that

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Speaker 2: some of the displays that the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence do,

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Speaker 2: but it's meant to absolutely graphically sexually humiliate Catholics that's

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Speaker 2: the whole point of it.

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Speaker 4: I was raised Southern Baptist, so that is my religious background.

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Speaker 4: You are Catholic in particular. But what I would say, Buck,

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Speaker 4: is what you just said. If the Dodgers, as part

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Speaker 4: a group that mocked anyone affiliated with the Jewish faith,

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Speaker 4: anyone affiliated with the Muslim faith, that would.

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Speaker 3: Be immediately condemned and disallowed.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, if you mocked Mohammed, you might have to

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Speaker 4: worry about your players being murdered by terrorists and being

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Speaker 4: put on a fatwah list like we just saw happened

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Speaker 4: to Salmon Rushdi.

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Speaker 2: Or cartoons controversy, you absolutely would have to worry about

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Speaker 4: Hundred percent because they would say, you are mocking our religion.

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Speaker 4: We're going to kill you, right, And the fact that

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Speaker 4: if you mock the Muslim faith you have to worry

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Speaker 4: about being murdered. You saw what happened with Charlie Hebdo

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Speaker 4: when they published the cartoons there and they had the

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Speaker 4: attack on the I mean the satirical French. I mean

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Speaker 4: they had a teacher beheaded for showing a Muslim representation.

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Speaker 4: I think of Muhammad. So this to me is just

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be a bright line rule. And if you're Christian,

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Speaker 4: if you're you know, Muslim, if you're Hindu, if you're Jewish,

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Speaker 4: if you're really not really affiliated with any religion, I

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Speaker 4: don't understand for the Dodger perspective, And this goes for

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Speaker 4: all sports teams. How is the standard not the same

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Speaker 4: for all religions. I mean to me, if you are

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Speaker 4: you have to allow all faith groups to be mocked.

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Speaker 3: And honor it, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's a difference between it existing and the

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Speaker 4: Dodger specifically saying we want these this is representative in

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Speaker 2: This is specifically inviting people to go out and I

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Speaker 2: guess they gather in the stadium. They probably have something

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Speaker 2: where they go out into you know, center field or

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Speaker 2: in baseball. So and just so we all understand, this

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Speaker 2: isn't like a gentle uh parody or satirizing. It's not

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Speaker 2: in good fun. This group, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

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Speaker 2: I have seen the videos, I have seen the photos,

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Speaker 2: I have seen what they do, it is meant to

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Speaker 2: be not only offensive to Catholics, it's just depraved. I mean,

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Speaker 2: someone doing a striptease over whether you believe in Jesus

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Speaker 2: or not, it's a man who's being crucified on a cross,

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Speaker 2: and you have a nun dressed up who's actually a man,

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Speaker 2: by the way. So this stuff is depraved, it is grotesque,

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Speaker 2: it is wrong. And yet the Dodgers are more afraid

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Speaker 2: the Catholics, in particular because the nuns, obviously is what

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Speaker 2: they're going after here. And also it's interesting the activist hostility,

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Speaker 2: the LGBTQIA plus activist hostility toward Catholics is nothing new,

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Speaker 2: something you're not really supposed to talk about.

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Speaker 3: You're just supposed to take it as a Catholic. But

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Speaker 3: when you see what's.

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Speaker 2: Going on here, Clay, this is another moment where it's

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Speaker 2: a gut check moment. You know, you ask yourself, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're a Roman Catholic. You go to church, let's say

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Speaker 2: every Sunday or once a year, I don't even care.

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Speaker 2: But you're somebody who believes, you believe in the divinity of

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Speaker 2: the Holy Trinity.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna watch a Dodgers game after this.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna show up. You're gonna buy tickets to go

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Speaker 2: to Dodger Stadium. You're gonna support them. You're gonna pay

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Speaker 2: fifteen dollars for crappy beer and a hot dog. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: thirty dollars for crappy beer and a hot dog. That's

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexman Show. I want

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Speaker 3: Sure, I thought you didn't like cancel culture.

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Speaker 4: No. Look, Choosing to spend your money or not spend

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Speaker 4: I don't like your opinion, and you don't deserve the

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Speaker 4: I don't think bud Light should exist anymore. I don't

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: If they run their business in such a way that

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Speaker 4: But it isn't cancel culture to make decisions on how

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Speaker 4: is a cancel culture When Marxist lunatics who love AOC

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Speaker 3: Is that cancel culture?

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Speaker 2: No making a decision, right, so you know you're making

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Speaker 2: It's not I'm not going to buy your stuff because

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Speaker 4: But that's your right, right. We're in the marketplace every day.

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Speaker 3: All right, so we.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned this yesterday on the show and wanted to spend

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Speaker 3: Don't mistake what's going on there.

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Speaker 4: going to do something in the summer. The expectation is,

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Speaker 4: if you're looking at your calendar, that a Trump indictment

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Speaker 4: in Georgia could happen in August. I feel like all

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Speaker 4: these prosecutors are talking.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're not. I would be stunned if they aren't.

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Speaker 4: I feel like there will be an indictment for Trump

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Speaker 4: on federal issues at some point in June or July.

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Speaker 4: That would be my prediction that we will get an

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Speaker 4: indictment from the United States government the Jack Smith investigation

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Speaker 4: of Trump. If that occurs, then the question becomes, are

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Speaker 4: you confident that a jury would not convict Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: in in District of Columbia courts. I think he would

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Speaker 4: get convicted right now. The question that's interesting to me, Buck,

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Speaker 4: is the timing on this, because you could have a

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Speaker 4: situation where Trump is running and there is a choice

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Speaker 4: made about whether or not to pardon him of federal charges.

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Speaker 4: Trump could, theoretically, I think, Buck, get elected in November

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Speaker 4: of twenty four before they were able to try him

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Speaker 4: on these federal charges and pardon himself as president of

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Speaker 4: the United States. That's an interesting perspective. I think what

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Speaker 4: also would happen, And this is something that I would

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Speaker 4: be curious to see how it would play out. And

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Speaker 4: I have not heard anybody else analyze this, And certainly

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Speaker 4: if there are really smart attorneys out there listening and

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Speaker 4: you want to weigh in on this idea, I would

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Speaker 4: love to hear what you think. Eight hundred and two

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Speaker 4: eight two two eight A two Buck. Here's what I

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Speaker 4: would advise. If I were advising DeSantis or vivik Ramaswami

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Speaker 4: or Nicki Haley or Tim Scott or any of those people,

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Speaker 4: I would advise them to say, Hey, if I'm elected

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Speaker 4: president in twenty twenty four, I will pardon Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: on all federal charges, and that would effectively wipe it out. Now,

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Speaker 4: what I'm getting at here, Buck, is the only way

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Speaker 4: that Trump might ever stand charge on any of these

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Speaker 4: Department of Justice brought charges would be if Biden wins.

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Speaker 4: So a big part of the November election, even if

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Speaker 4: Trump were not the nominee, could end up being do

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Speaker 4: you think Trump should stand trial there?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: To be fair, you cannot pardon on state related criminal charges, right,

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Speaker 4: So Georgia's a problem. Regardless, New York City and Georgia

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Speaker 4: could still be issues. And we talked about this. We

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Speaker 4: got a great call. This is where I talk about

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Speaker 4: the brilliance of some of our callers. Remember they called

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Speaker 4: ed Buck and said, Georgia is one of like three

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Speaker 4: states in the nation where the governor of Georgia does

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Speaker 4: not have the ability to pardon for state related offenses.

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Speaker 4: So Brian Kemp, even though there's a Republican governor of Georgia,

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Speaker 4: would not have the ability to pardon Trump even if

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Speaker 4: he wanted to in Atlanta on.

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Speaker 3: This case, if he were convicted.

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Speaker 4: So I can see an opportunity, DeSantis is announcing tonight.

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Speaker 4: I can see an opportunity for DeSantis to cut a

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Speaker 4: lot of the power of the Trump indictment by saying,

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Speaker 4: if I'm elected president, I will pardon Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 4: I will keep him from serving time under what I

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Speaker 4: think our bogus Department of Justice investigations that are entirely

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Speaker 4: based on political related issues. Somebody out there can call

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Speaker 4: what do you think about that?

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Speaker 3: Angle?

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Speaker 4: Because the argument has been if Trump gets indicted, it

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Speaker 4: strengthens him in the primary process because people rally around him,

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Speaker 4: and I think that certainly happened with March. But if

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Speaker 4: other Republican candidates out there running for president come out

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Speaker 4: and say, if I'm elected president, I will pardon Trump,

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Speaker 4: I don't see any way, Buck And maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: I don't see any way that they could get this

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Speaker 4: trial scheduled and have a result before November of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four. Maybe they could try to rush it through.

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Speaker 4: This isn't Andy McCarthy question. He may be smarter on

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Speaker 4: the timing of this. I haven't heard a lot of

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Speaker 4: people talk about the timing. But we know Trump's going

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Speaker 4: to be standing trial in March in a New York

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Speaker 4: state court. He may have a date also in Georgia

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Speaker 4: State Court. I don't know if they could rush a case,

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Speaker 4: given all the appeals that would go on and everything

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Speaker 4: else that would get Trump in front of a jury

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Speaker 4: before the twenty twenty four election would take place. And

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Speaker 4: if you're an expert on the DC circuit and you

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Speaker 4: know about timing on criminal charges, I would be interested

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Speaker 4: to here. But remember on the jan sixth defendant's buck,

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Speaker 4: A lot of them are just now standing trial for

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Speaker 4: San six related I try to.

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Speaker 3: Line this up though, as just.

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Speaker 2: A series of binaries to get closer to what is

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Speaker 2: likely here, right, someone you can do like decision tree analysis.

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Speaker 2: But do we think that Trump is going to face

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Speaker 2: charges in Georgia?

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Speaker 3: Yes? We agree, yes.

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Speaker 2: Do we think that Trump is going to face some

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Speaker 2: form of criminal charges from this special council meaning the DOJ.

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Speaker 2: Merrick Garland's going to say, you know, he's a former president,

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Speaker 2: but laws the law. I think we agree, yes, right, yes,

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Speaker 2: Do we think that either of those jury pools is

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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly likely to convict?

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Speaker 3: I think yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: Then you get to well, these are serious criminal charges. Now,

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Speaker 2: this isn't some civil thing in New York that he

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Speaker 2: can wave his hand at, or some fine for the

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Speaker 2: Trump organization, especially the stuff in Georgia as I see

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Speaker 2: it right now, because I think maybe maybe it's possible

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Speaker 2: that you wouldn't get a prison sentence for the obstruction.

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Speaker 2: You know, obstruction is a very tough to lock up

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Speaker 2: a former player.

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Speaker 4: It's a conspiracy charge basically, like my old Krim law

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Speaker 4: professor used to say, we got him for nothing else,

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Speaker 4: Let's get him on.

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Speaker 3: Let's get him to see obstructions like that too.

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Speaker 2: But the Georgia thing, because they might go for some

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Speaker 2: kind of a racketeering rico influence elections. I mean, they're

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Speaker 2: getting real creative with what you're seeing in the press.

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand how you can. If the charges

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Speaker 2: are brought and he's found guilty, there's gonna have to

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Speaker 2: be punishment and he'll be a convicted felon at that point, right,

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Speaker 2: So what's the game plan for the Democrats? I think

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Speaker 2: it has to be. They're trying to lock him up,

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Speaker 2: is what I'm getting. I think they're actually trying to.

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Speaker 2: When I say lock them up, they're not gonna lock

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Speaker 2: them up for you know, fifteen years. But if they

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Speaker 2: can even get a thirty day prison sentence for Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump think about that, which they would say is so lenient.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, Buck, here's my thing on it.

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Speaker 4: I think if a Trump's best strategy is to play

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Speaker 4: this out so it doesn't ever go before any jury

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Speaker 4: until I mean, the New York City case can't.

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Speaker 2: Get out of Georgia. It doesn't matter even if he's present.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I guess what I'm getting at is I think the

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Speaker 4: New York case is going to take months. Let's talk

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Speaker 4: about it when we come back. I'm just working through

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Speaker 4: the timing of it, leaving aside the legality of it

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Speaker 4: right now. And again, if there's somebody out there who's

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Speaker 4: brilliant on DC circuit scheduling that's listening to us right

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Speaker 4: now or Atlanta Georgia scheduling, I would love to hear

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Speaker 4: from you about why I might be wrong. Do you

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Speaker 4: think they could get these trials all completed by the

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 4: of you hanging out with us. Okay, So the question

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Speaker 4: that I'm asking is one that I have not.

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Speaker 3: Seen raised anywhere.

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Speaker 4: So I always like to think strategically, and I try

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Speaker 4: to tell my kids to do this too. Pretend that

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Speaker 4: you are the person who is in charge of making

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Speaker 4: a really important decision. I'm not in charge of making

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Speaker 4: a really important decision as it pertains to any of

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Speaker 4: Trump's criminal, civil legal related issues, right But as a lawyer,

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Speaker 4: one way you learn is you look at different circumstances,

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Speaker 4: try to analyze them, work on your judgment. So if

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump was like Clay Travis, you graduated from law school,

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Speaker 4: you know a little bit about media. You and Buck

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Speaker 4: have got the biggest radio show in the country right now,

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Speaker 4: how should I handle all these legal proceeds that are

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Speaker 4: going on right now? My answer, beyond a shadow of

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Speaker 4: a doubt Buck, is delay. Delay, delay. You want your

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Speaker 4: lawyers to file as many motions as possible, presume that

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Speaker 4: you are going to get charged, and we can talk

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Speaker 4: about what the political ramifications of those charges are. But

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Speaker 4: if I'm Donald Trump, I do not want to take

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Speaker 4: my seat in front of a DC jury or an

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Speaker 4: Atlanta jury until after the twenty twenty four election, right,

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Speaker 4: that's the number one goal to me.

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Speaker 2: I honestly believe that you could find a DC jury

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Speaker 2: that would find Donald Trump guilty of anything. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that, and I don't think it'd be hard

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Speaker 2: to find them. I think that you could find a

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Speaker 2: DC jury that would say that Trump assassinated a JFK.

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Speaker 2: Like they just don't care. They just want to get them.

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Speaker 2: It's ninety three percent Democrat, and these people are brave.

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Speaker 2: Remember they live. They're like the bees that are right

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Speaker 2: in the center of the hive, right, and they're right

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Speaker 2: up against it all the time, even if they don't

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Speaker 2: work in politics. DC as a city, there's this constant

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Speaker 2: osmosis of the narrative that you're subjected to by living there,

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Speaker 2: which one of the good reasons why you shouldn't stay

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Speaker 2: in DC for too long. But I think that that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a huge challenge because you can't get it.

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Speaker 2: You can't get a fair jury, and there's really no

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Speaker 2: such thing as a fair jury for Trump at this

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Speaker 2: point on these issues. And I remember, this is not

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Speaker 2: did Donald Trump get drunk one night and run over

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Speaker 2: to people in the crosswalk, Like that's not political that's

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Speaker 2: how you did or you didn't ye. All of the

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Speaker 2: things they're going after Trump on, isn't it amazing when

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Speaker 2: you think about it, all of it it's either some

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Speaker 2: campaign finance thing or some election thing, or some conspiracy

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Speaker 2: in the Capitol. It's all politics.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 2: The sole exception you could come up with, and this

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Speaker 2: is why, would be the classified documents handling. But even that,

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Speaker 2: that's a government function that only you know, you only

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Speaker 2: do as the president. That's very specific to your presidential role.

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Speaker 2: So it all ties into politics in some way, and

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Speaker 2: they're coming at him from every angle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the easy way to think about that is

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Speaker 4: if there was a Republican president in office, would they

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Speaker 4: have raided mar A Lago with the FBI? The answer

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Speaker 4: is of course no, right, Like, there's a zero percent

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Speaker 4: chance that raid happens if there is a Republican in office.

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Speaker 4: So my advice to Trump is delay, delayed, delay, because

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Speaker 4: buck they will You're right, they want to convict him

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Speaker 4: and they want to try to put him in prison,

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Speaker 4: but there's no way that can happen. I don't think

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Speaker 4: based on the schedule right now between now and November

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four. So Trump could theoretically either pardon

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Speaker 4: himself or DeSantis or Nicki Haley or Vivi Gramaswami or

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Speaker 4: Tim Scott, whoever the nominee were. If it were not,

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Speaker 4: Trump could also pledge. And I would do that right

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Speaker 4: now if I were running for office. In fact, I

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Speaker 4: would do it tonight if I were DeSantis. DeSantis is

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Speaker 4: talking to Elon musk uh and uh and and in

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Speaker 4: that conversation on spaces and then I think he's going

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Speaker 4: on Fox News tonight. By the way, he's gonna be

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Speaker 4: on with us tomorrow, so you'll be able to hear

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Speaker 4: DeSantis on this program tomorrow after he's already announced.

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Speaker 2: I love how you dropped as a question. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Rona said it is coming more NBD. You know, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. We're gonna have a really interesting

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Speaker 2: get I mean now it's ron de Santis candidate will

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Speaker 2: be joining us. And I just want everyone to know

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Speaker 2: this Trump phone is open. We have reached out to

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Speaker 2: the Trump team. We we're gonna you know, the equal

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Speaker 2: time for Trump. He needs to call in. He needs

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Speaker 2: to tell us what he sees going on with this primary,

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Speaker 2: what he sees with this legal fight. You know, let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's let's roll. We've got a lot to talk to

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Speaker 2: both of them about, no doubt, and we will break

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Speaker 2: all this down and more. But that's the I'd go

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Speaker 2: ahead and make that pledge.

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Speaker 3: If I was DeSantis. We'll talk about it next