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Speaker 1: Glad you could join us on the Giant Tunnel. Today's

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Speaker 1: chat is with retired Giants Super Bowl twenty five champion

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Speaker 1: left tackle Jumbo Elliott. You can find the Giant Tunnel

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Speaker 1: as Giants dot Com or the Giants Mobile app now.

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Speaker 1: John Elliott was taken on the second round of the

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Speaker 1: ninety eight draft out of Michigan, where his six ft

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Speaker 1: seven frame earned him the nickname Jumbo from head coach

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Speaker 1: Bo Schembechler. Yeah, that's legendary college coach. I was very

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Speaker 1: fortunate in my career and starting in high school from

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Speaker 1: Long Island, New York here and I always had great coaches,

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Speaker 1: legendary in their perspective levels, you know. On Freddie Fuzaro

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Speaker 1: High School, it was very much like Bo and later

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Speaker 1: Bill and then I went to Michigan the Wolverines, and UM,

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Speaker 1: I played under Bomber, who's you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: very top guys of all time in college. Um and

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Speaker 1: very you know, very demanding, and then he nicknamed me

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Speaker 1: Early on him and the coaches, UM somehow came up

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Speaker 1: with the nickname Jumbo, and Early and the older guys

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Speaker 1: on the team the veterans in Michigan, the upperclassman took

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Speaker 1: a shine to the nickname and they just started using

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Speaker 1: it all the time, and it just stuck right away,

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Speaker 1: and um so, and then I went to Parcels, and

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Speaker 1: Parcels Man, he loved that nickname. He wore it out.

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Speaker 1: He used to use that front of me. Man, what

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Speaker 1: is that way? Let me just pick right up from

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Speaker 1: that point, because Bill Parcels had his favorite guys, the

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Speaker 1: guys he would say, used to drive the wagon all

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Speaker 1: the time. And you were one of those guys. So

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Speaker 1: could you tell people nowadays what it meant to be

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Speaker 1: a Parcels guy? Listen, First of all, I can't say

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Speaker 1: I can never say enough good things about Bill ourselves.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's an all time legendary Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: coach and he was instrumental for me in my development

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Speaker 1: as a pro um. You know, him and Freddy Hoaglan

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Speaker 1: on the left side, left tackle, which I ended up there,

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Speaker 1: uh for fourteen years on Giants and for the Giants

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Speaker 1: and the Jets. So you know, he's uh, he's just

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Speaker 1: he means the world to me. He's a great, great guy.

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Speaker 1: We get along, you know, very well, and we've got

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Speaker 1: to try to look him up this summer. But um,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's demanding and he brought out the best

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Speaker 1: of me. I gotta say, you know, I was fortunate

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Speaker 1: bring out the best uh in me as a player.

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Speaker 1: His instructure, though, he looked for guys who he would say,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have staying power. I don't want, you know,

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Speaker 1: he didn't want these fly by nine guys who look great,

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Speaker 1: play like cars in for a couple of practices in

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Speaker 1: camp and then fade away or show up for you know,

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Speaker 1: a game here and there, and then we can give

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Speaker 1: you the up and down performance from team. He wanted

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Speaker 1: guys who were there. Uh. We came week out, gaming,

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Speaker 1: game out, and season after season. That's what it took

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Speaker 1: to me A parcels guys, someone had tremendous staying power,

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Speaker 1: mental toughness and discipline and a very very very top

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Speaker 1: many of those guys will talk about how they knew

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Speaker 1: How true was that for you? I would say accurate? Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh coach ourselves. Um, you know, he just

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Speaker 1: But he also knew, um, the offensive and defensive squads

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Speaker 1: and the individual. Um. And you know, look, I love ourselves.

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Speaker 1: I'd do anything for him. But you know, I could

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Speaker 1: tell you possibly two dozen times I'd want to ring neck.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it out of doubt that would draw you

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Speaker 1: a fifteen yard personal foul flag. I'm telling you right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how pushing buttons you had to go up against Bruce

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Speaker 1: Famer like him, But my goodness, Bill knew and so

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Speaker 1: did Coach Belichick on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: exactly the blueprint that you guys needed to win that game.

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Speaker 1: Albeit Scott Norward did miss that field goal. One of

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Speaker 1: and so defense came up huge. But the overall game plan,

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Speaker 1: New York Giants was an offense could break your well

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, meeting everybody like fifty to ten to

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Speaker 1: You know, we changed the feel position a bunch on you,

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Speaker 1: I think the most exciting thing to see is really

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Speaker 1: need over the right side and let Thomas just from

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Speaker 1: day one say left ankles his position or you know,

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Speaker 1: do they choose that or do they choose uh to

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Speaker 1: go ahead of Thomas, compete with Kurt and Fleming um

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Speaker 1: on the right side and keep me over on the

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Speaker 1: left side. Offensive lineman have always said to me they'd

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Speaker 1: love to run block. It's easier and it and it's

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Speaker 1: better in terms of you guys are on the attack

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Speaker 1: instead of receiving that pass rush. Even though they've got

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Speaker 1: a Daniel Jones, they've also got sa Kwan Blackley back there.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure if you were playing on this offensive line,

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Speaker 1: you'd rather see Barkley running thirty times a game, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure. It's funny. I was talking to an

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Speaker 1: old teammate. Do you remember Giant Joe Morris, Little Joe, Yeah, Little.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to his brother Jamie, who was arrisking

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Speaker 1: for and the Michigan guy by the way, Jamie Morris

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Speaker 1: like yourself exactly. I was just talking to him last night.

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Speaker 1: I mean, still hold the rectors for carries in the game.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jill Gives tried to kill him. They he

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Speaker 1: had like forty five or tens or something. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny you say thirty carries because I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was making a pun of Jamie last night.

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Speaker 1: We had a little fun I was saying, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You know nowadays it's someone carries the ball times. You know,

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Speaker 1: they might protest. You know, it's a different game. But

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Speaker 1: the rung game though, for sure, it could be the

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Speaker 1: quarterback's best friend for play action and creating space. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm all about that. Um, it is different though, run

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Speaker 1: blocking you can't now. I know, coaches and you know,

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Speaker 1: so it's changed how you can coach football and teach football.

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Speaker 1: So uh, you know, it might be easier for the

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Speaker 1: guys now, but because it's not as hard, it's not

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Speaker 1: they don't master it the same it's more about shielding

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Speaker 1: and positioning and not you know, not so much dominating. Um,

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Speaker 1: I would like to see his kit more like I'm

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Speaker 1: looking for Hernandez guard too. You know, I think he's

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Speaker 1: on the right path and now he's going to be

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Speaker 1: consistent and like take that next extra step. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see more dominating is supposed to being adequate, Um,

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Speaker 1: perishing guys and you know, creating increases from squam. And

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Speaker 1: there's absolutely no reason Barkley shouldn't be in the top

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Speaker 1: rushers every year in and year out to take a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure off the quarterback and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: help the defense, that help the special teams. You know,

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Speaker 1: it will help us win. What is it about the

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Speaker 1: offensive line today? The style of play that they play,

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Speaker 1: Jumbo that that's different from the style of offensive line

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Speaker 1: that you played in your day? Is it much different?

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Speaker 1: Is it more about we're less about technique than it

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Speaker 1: used to be. Yeah, well the technique is just not there.

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Speaker 1: You know when they when they're coming out of school. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the offenses are different now in college, so

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Speaker 1: they're coming out with different skill sets and you know

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Speaker 1: the practice is different, you know, on every level now

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Speaker 1: the contact, they can have any amount of repetition you

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Speaker 1: can have. It's all changed. It's all very limited. So

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Speaker 1: you can't do now what you did the nineties or

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Speaker 1: the eighties, or you probably get arrested as a coach.

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Speaker 1: You know. So you're coming out and you guys are

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Speaker 1: used to these uh you know, there's one pass option

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Speaker 1: offenses and it's more about positioning and shielding. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm generalizing. You know, obviously there's succeptions to that, but

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Speaker 1: the it's just a little bit um you know, listening,

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Speaker 1: it's still one of the hardest positions there is and

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Speaker 1: one of the hardest things there is in sport. But

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Speaker 1: it's it is if you look at different errors, it

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Speaker 1: is a softer UH is definitely softer league. With with that,

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Speaker 1: I think it is just going to continue that way

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Speaker 1: when you see UH overall with the league's wanting to

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Speaker 1: rent in the season and the league is also concerned

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Speaker 1: with the head stuff that will crop up again. That's

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Speaker 1: not going to go away. Um. I just think, you know,

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Speaker 1: eventually you won't even see a three point stance is anymore.

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Speaker 1: And this is the way that when the game keeps

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Speaker 1: involving over the next decade. Well then, in addition to

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Speaker 1: to those things, the way the game and the position

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Speaker 1: has evolved this year because of the learning off of

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Speaker 1: a television or computer screen. I can only imagine how

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Speaker 1: difficult how the offensive line play is going to be

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Speaker 1: whenever it is that they actually get on the field

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Speaker 1: this season, Wingo. You know, you know something that's so

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Speaker 1: important now, how it is it's starting to look like

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Speaker 1: we're always changing the rules. If you notice the first

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Speaker 1: three game yourself, there's a little sketchy how turnovers and

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Speaker 1: penalties and false starts and blah blah blah. It was sloppy, right,

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Speaker 1: So the first three games in the modern era have

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Speaker 1: kind of become like the preseason almost, and so I

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Speaker 1: think that just we're going to see that trend continue.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it is very challenging as a coach. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, as far as you're gonna look at a

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Speaker 1: playbook and you can coach online and what do they

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Speaker 1: do you now? They call it. I'm not very technical.

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Speaker 1: They got a lot of names for it. It's a screen.

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Speaker 1: Not much I can tell you. It's a screen. Look,

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Speaker 1: so we're looking at a screen and that's great, and

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Speaker 1: the coach isn't trying to do what they can in

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Speaker 1: this environment. But what you can't have, even a walk

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Speaker 1: through is so important, you know, to get out there

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Speaker 1: and put the image in your head and what the

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Speaker 1: coach is trying to convey to you. Uh, there's subtleties

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Speaker 1: that have to be you have to do in person.

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Speaker 1: You have to do live, even if it's half speed.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get to see you gotta time it

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Speaker 1: up with the running back. The quan has got to

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Speaker 1: see it. You know, the different angles the lad different

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Speaker 1: defenses will respond to those plays. There's like a dozen

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Speaker 1: subtleties that are missed by you know, doing what they're

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Speaker 1: doing on screen. Although I know they have no choice.

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Speaker 1: That's what they have to do right now. But it's

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Speaker 1: gonna make for a very interesting year and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be harder on uh, you know, physically it's better for

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Speaker 1: the guys in today's game, but you know, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be harder for the young guys to pick up the

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Speaker 1: game in stass without the ots and the mini camps

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Speaker 1: and you know, the full go summer camps. That is

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Speaker 1: retired Giants left tackle Jumbo Elliot, who played for the

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Speaker 1: Big Blue from through a reminder. You can find the

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Speaker 1: Giants Tunnel podcast on all of your favorite podcast platforms

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Speaker 1: Until next time, I'm pol Detino. So long, everybody,