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Speaker 1: we are for episode number forty eight of the met

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Speaker 1: gonna come out swinging hot. The season's over. The season's

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Speaker 1: officially over. I'm calling it. I'm waving the white flag.

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Speaker 1: The season is officially over. The Mets just lost two

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Speaker 1: of three to the lowly Miami Marlins, who love to

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Speaker 1: play spoiler, especially in Mets history. They love to play spoiler,

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Speaker 1: and they're doing it again here against our New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: Just a despicable, disgusting, disgraceful series by the New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: And just to be the cherry on top, I'm coming

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Speaker 1: out swinging early. I'm telling you, Brad fucking Hand, we

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Speaker 1: told you that this guy was shit. We told you

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Speaker 1: he fucking stunk. He needs to kick rocks, get him

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Speaker 1: There's so many players on this team right now that

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Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of seeing Brad Hand Albert al

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Speaker 1: Mora never again in the Orange and Blue, I hope,

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Speaker 1: But the season's over, so I guess we probably will

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Speaker 1: continue to play them. That's my hot intro. Here for

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Speaker 1: episode number forty eight of the Mets Up Podcast. Drop

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Speaker 1: lot of reactions, a lot of disdain, a lot of scorn.

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Speaker 1: It's a very just disappointing, disgraceful episode. We're angry, We're mad,

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah. Follow James on Twitter. Co host Jeter

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Speaker 1: had no range. James Ciano of course, me, Draft Deck, Mark,

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Speaker 1: Mark Luiso. I didn't even introduce ourselves. That's how hot

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Speaker 1: I am right now. My brain is all over the place.

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Speaker 2: They wish I had one for this occasion. You should

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Speaker 2: have told me this was just the cherry on top

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Speaker 2: of such a fucking horrific met season. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 2: that through the off season, through the Francisco indoor contract negotiation,

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Speaker 2: through a good April, through everyone getting injured in May,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for here? Three setbacks? Mike looking forward though

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Speaker 2: Who else been looking for? Tom Smith is just a

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Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil forgets how to hit and has to go

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Speaker 2: to Anger management possibly, And we have to watch Brad

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Speaker 1: So they have played in fifty six one run games

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Speaker 1: brad Hand be the guy who blows the game in such,

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Speaker 1: I mean incredible fashion. I tweeted out last night, you

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Mets got four hits. Yes, there's other issues

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Speaker 1: It encapsulate, encapsulated yet encapsulated. I'm mad, I'm making up capsualize, encapsulized.

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Speaker 2: We just did most of it. But like, if we

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Speaker 2: goes a good trade. I guess in retrospect, the rest

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Speaker 2: Stroman also good as fuck, twenty second star of the season,

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Speaker 2: allowing tour and runs are fewer, said a few episodes.

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Speaker 2: That's still the best in baseball. Tied, but Scherzer, Bueller

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeary's simili give up a fucking nuke nuke to

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Speaker 1: There's one guy in this lineup you don't pitch too,

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Speaker 2: Familia just threw all sinkers that inning, and like half

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Speaker 1: Just it's so frustrating that one. Why is it handover

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Speaker 2: You that was the problem.

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Speaker 1: He shouldn't be pitching out a major league level unless

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Speaker 2: Quick metstup fact check. Loup had pitched the first two

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Speaker 2: For all the people not watching on YouTube, I'm using

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Speaker 2: air quotes right now because for three years in a row,

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Speaker 2: brad Hand has lost velosity. For three years in a row,

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Speaker 2: he's lost sloted movement and slidered veilosity. For three years

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Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It goes against everything that we said for

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Speaker 2: It's probably one of the last innings he will ever

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. You've talked about it all

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Speaker 1: And today in the outfield he completely overran a fly ball.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's gross incompetence right now by the New

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Speaker 2: Year, and that just shows incredible level of depth, incredible

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Speaker 1: Padlow played a little bit too, and Padlow's fine sometimes.

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Speaker 2: And it's just the Mets continue to do this thing

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Speaker 2: something like that. They lost the Orils one time all

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Speaker 2: But there's no way, I'm sure if that in two

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Speaker 1: No, the team is just it's a loser mentality right now.

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Speaker 2: There's no way to start fresh and not rebuild. The

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Speaker 2: So maybe we were just all foolish for thinking that

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Speaker 2: I think he still might be the president of the

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Speaker 1: Okay, but if he isn't here, then does he walk away?

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Speaker 2: It'd be a closed door conversation and meeting. He's not

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Speaker 2: he won't be fired. Sounds like Steve Cone would do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's interesting. I think you're probably in

432
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Speaker 1: the right right mindset as well. Probably like a prestigious

433
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Speaker 1: man like Sandy Alderson, they'll give him the option to

434
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Speaker 1: either be fired, or he can walk away, and he'll

435
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Speaker 1: take the walk away.

436
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Speaker 2: And Sandy Alderson was part of the entire onboarding process

437
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Speaker 2: for Steve Cohen. He's been a Steve Cohen's hip since,

438
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Speaker 2: like right when this purchase was made official. He Steve

439
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Speaker 2: con has not made a move in terms of baseball

440
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Speaker 2: without Standy Alderson literally sitting next to him. Maybe he

441
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Speaker 2: should be a business advisor, then maybe he should just

442
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Speaker 2: be a consultant. There's no reason he should be running

443
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Speaker 2: baseball operations for a major League baseball team and the

444
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Speaker 2: lower's year of twenty twenty one, There's simply no way.

445
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Speaker 2: There's no way that Sandy Alderson is aware of like

446
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,520
Speaker 2: advanced like scatting tools, metrics, data, base science. Like there's

447
00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,080
Speaker 2: no fucking way. There's no way he can do any

448
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 2: of this cutting edge shit that's required the baseball team

449
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Speaker 2: to be successful in twenty twenty one. There's no way.

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Speaker 1: I was streaming on Twitch today a little plug there,

451
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Speaker 1: but I was talking about the Mets and a lot

452
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Speaker 1: of Mets fans in my chat, and they brought up analytics,

453
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Speaker 1: and this is just it's a hot button topic with

454
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Speaker 1: New York Mets fans, specifically, you have the group who

455
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Speaker 1: I've joined the group now of I like the analytics

456
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 1: because it just works. We know that when you use

457
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Speaker 1: it properly, it works, as seen by maybe four of

458
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Speaker 1: the best teams in baseball right now in the Rays,

459
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Speaker 1: the Brewers, the Dodgers, and the Giants, four of the

460
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Speaker 1: best teams, all four of the biggest probably analytic departments

461
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Speaker 1: in baseball are at least using them heavily. And people

462
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Speaker 1: were like, oh, the Mets are too have relying heavily

463
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Speaker 1: on analytics, blah blah blah, They're just doing it wrong.

464
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Speaker 1: I feel like, so something's just wrong in their process,

465
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Speaker 1: their whole scheme. I don't know what it is, but

466
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Speaker 1: something's got changed.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Mets are relying that heavily and

468
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Speaker 2: analytics at all. And I think another issue where I

469
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Speaker 2: won't call it an issue, but maybe just like a

470
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Speaker 2: different reason why the metsa struggled. Someone posed a question

471
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Speaker 2: on Twitter today like what's the modern moneyball? The whole

472
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Speaker 2: point of that is that moneyball was the concept of

473
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Speaker 2: using on base percentage rather than like batting average, as

474
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Speaker 2: simply as I could put it, to try and build

475
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Speaker 2: a winning team with cheaper pieces that were under market value.

476
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Speaker 2: And I think the modern moneyball is building up your

477
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Speaker 2: roster from players twenty to thirty more so than one

478
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Speaker 2: to twenty. And that's where those best four teams are

479
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 2: the strongest and where we the Mets have proven this

480
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 2: year they are the weakest. And this all comes back

481
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Speaker 2: to this organizational depth that we've been talking about and

482
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Speaker 2: plugging all season long, that we wrongfully thought the Mets had,

483
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Speaker 2: but we really should have looked deeper and realized they

484
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Speaker 2: did not.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's exactly what I said on stream was

486
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Speaker 1: literally that when you look at the Dodgers, the Rays,

487
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Speaker 1: the Brewers, the Giants, they use their entire roster. There

488
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Speaker 1: is not a wasted spot. Every single person has a purpose,

489
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Speaker 1: they have something that they do well, some kind of

490
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Speaker 1: value to the team. Where the Mets are filling spots

491
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Speaker 1: at times with guys like Albert al Mora, Travis Blankenhorn,

492
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Speaker 1: Brad fucking Hand. I mean guys that have literally no value,

493
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Speaker 1: no value whatsoever. So that's what it is need to

494
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Speaker 1: build a full roster. I think that's probably good for

495
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Speaker 1: our twenty minute rant here. Let's talk about game one

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Speaker 1: and two. Let's talk about Game one because I guess

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Speaker 1: if there's any positive it's Game one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Game one was good. I mean, it just feels

499
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Speaker 2: so stupid having all these notes now about these like

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Speaker 2: twenty stats and positives, but like fuck it, I'm just

501
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Speaker 2: gonna read them and hope you hope you guys like him. Yeah,

502
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Speaker 2: Game one, which feels like three years ago. Jonathan VR

503
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Speaker 2: got on base to start the game because he's usually

504
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Speaker 2: a very good leadoff hitter, but he wasn't the lead

505
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Speaker 2: off hitter out Thursday night for whatever fucking reason. He

506
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Speaker 2: needs an off day and he's maybe maybe he didn't

507
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: an off day. I don't know. Maybe Jonathan VR went

508
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,479
Speaker 2: to the Mets. He was like, I need day off.

509
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Speaker 2: I played thirty fucking games in a row because I

510
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Speaker 2: play every day. Jonathan VR has over four hundred and

511
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Speaker 2: twenty at best this season. Could you imagine that?

512
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Speaker 1: No, I did not expect to see that at the

513
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Speaker 1: beginning of the year.

514
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Speaker 2: And literally he has a higher Roe. But the inn Anthony Rizzo,

515
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Speaker 2: Alex Radugo, Bobashett and Trevor Story.

516
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a shocking group of people. It's like Rizzo

517
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Speaker 1: when you said Rizzo and was the other guy dugo

518
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Speaker 1: for Dugo. That like opened my eyes and then you

519
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: dropped a schett In story and I go, oh wow,

520
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Speaker 1: that's that's impressive.

521
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Speaker 2: His WOBE is like ten points behind aziy Albi's.

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Speaker 1: That's really it's one of the best middle and fielders

523
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Speaker 1: in the league.

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Speaker 2: It's literally fucking crazy. And he got on bass blah

525
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Speaker 2: blah blah. This that Pete hit a big nuke. Pete

526
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Speaker 2: loves hitting in Miami. His second home run this game.

527
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Speaker 2: He's really good. I got some just fun Pete nos

528
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Speaker 2: because he's disgustingly good. He's become a lot better hitting

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Speaker 2: with two strikes.

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Speaker 1: He is officially, not officially, We've been saying this for

531
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Speaker 1: a while, but there's a list of guys that are

532
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Speaker 1: are meths next year. Without a doubt, he's on that list.

533
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Speaker 1: He's leading that list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean him and physical indoor

535
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Speaker 2: because of the contract. For sure. Pete has the fifth

536
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Speaker 2: lowest k rate in baseball of all players with more

537
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Speaker 2: than thirty home runs. Wow, yeah, right, that's really good,

538
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Speaker 2: super good. Only behind Jose Ramirez, who's like a marvel.

539
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Speaker 2: No one talks about him enough.

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Speaker 1: Jose Ramirez is like just not even a real person.

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Speaker 1: The way he plays baseball. He's so unbelievably good. So

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Speaker 1: that Pete, the fact that Pete's like in that same

543
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Speaker 1: category as Jose Ramirez, I love that. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get excited about something, it's Pete Alonzo, it's.

545
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Speaker 2: Pete, it's Ramirez. I mean lower k rage than Pete

546
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Speaker 2: is Ramirez, Matt Olson, Vlad I just looked at this.

547
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Speaker 2: I can't remember the other guys, but it's those really

548
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Speaker 2: good players.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, some of the what top twenty five

550
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Speaker 1: players in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of guys who are sick, and he's

552
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Speaker 2: just like done it by being like way better like

553
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Speaker 2: k rate. Like usually he was striking out like between

554
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Speaker 2: like twenty five twenty eight percent first couple years. He

555
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Speaker 2: has that like right twenty percent mark, which is literally

556
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Speaker 2: shocking development. I did not see this coming, and it

557
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 2: also hasn't come from him like swinging a less pitches

558
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: outside of the strike zone. It's been like very level

559
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Speaker 2: for the last three years and swinging off pitches outside

560
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: of the strike zone reaching as we've called it sometimes in

561
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Speaker 2: this podcast. But he's making a shit ton of more

562
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Speaker 2: contact on pitches outside the strike zone, which again, there's

563
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: no real correlation between like making contact on bad pitches

564
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Speaker 2: and like being a better player, but he's just like

565
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Speaker 2: hitting them better, like his ex Woeba is way better

566
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Speaker 2: in pitches outside his own is better than the league average.

567
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Speaker 2: This year's three twenty five. His rookie year, it was

568
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Speaker 2: three nineteen, but that was when he made the super

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Speaker 2: happy bouncy ball. So having that jump this year is

570
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Speaker 2: like shocking, and it's not like up there with the

571
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Speaker 2: best guys in the league, but it's still like very good.

572
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Speaker 2: And like his ops plus with two strikes is over

573
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Speaker 2: one hundred, which is fucking crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's really good. I mean, yeah, Pete's been money this year.

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Speaker 1: He had the triple in Game three, which is his

576
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Speaker 1: third triple of the year, which is just crazy. Is

577
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Speaker 1: a triples machine. As I stole from you on as

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Speaker 1: all I've in live time. It's my thing. You gave

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Speaker 1: me the Zach Campbell tweet too banged.

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Speaker 2: No literally, well, I mean for the listeners at home.

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Speaker 2: When Mark and I lived together and I like wasn't

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Speaker 2: really on Twitter that much yet, I would just say

583
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Speaker 2: things out loud and Mark would just tweet them. And

584
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Speaker 2: now he was just some once in a while. He

585
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: gave me some credit verbally, but he had bangers on

586
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Speaker 2: top of bangers in the Lord's Year of twenty twenty,

587
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: and they were all me, guys, they were all fucking me.

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Speaker 1: I can craft the like rile people up, tweet to

589
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Speaker 1: bang or like the like motivation, get the old men

590
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Speaker 1: on Twitter excited, like Terry Collins Edwin Diazworld Baseball classic stuff.

591
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Speaker 1: But you know how to sculpt the tweet. You get

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Speaker 1: the the wording right. You did the Steve Cohen one,

593
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Speaker 1: which was like bigger than any tweet I've ever had,

594
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Speaker 1: so you know how to really hit home with like

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Speaker 1: the wording and everything. But yeah, Pizza Triple Machine. He's

596
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Speaker 1: so good and he just continues to carry this offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And then the last notes we have in

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Speaker 2: this game, because I don't really care about it all anymore,

599
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Speaker 2: even though it was positive, like we did some good things.

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Speaker 2: Jashch has unbobbled a couple of balls, but car Carlos

601
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Speaker 2: Carrasco has given up thirteen and runs in the first

602
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Speaker 2: hitting as I met eight stars insane. That's like just

603
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Speaker 2: kind of funny, and I think it's probably just like

604
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Speaker 2: still being rusty and just all the setbacks he had

605
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Speaker 2: and not having a spring and like acclimating on the

606
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: fly in a pennant race. But it's just still fucking weird.

607
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: And he like again, like we say, every single start,

608
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Speaker 2: he leveled out after that first inning. He only gave

609
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Speaker 2: up four hits and no walks after first sitting where

610
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Speaker 2: he gave up three hits to one walk. And it's

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Speaker 2: weird because he threw two sliders in that first inning

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Speaker 2: that were about ninety miles an hour, even though his

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Speaker 2: slide is usually average like eighty four. And then he

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Speaker 2: didn't throw another one till the fourth inning, and those

615
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: fourth and fifth innings were his best two innings, and

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Speaker 2: he threw twelve sliders in those innings after throwing probably

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Speaker 2: none in the first three and three innings, which he

618
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: gave up runs in each. So he's just tinkering, is

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Speaker 2: what he does. He's a wily vet. I think that

620
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Speaker 2: Mets fans are casting him in too negative of a light.

621
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Speaker 2: Of all the guys in this team to blame, I

622
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Speaker 2: really wouldn't throw dispersions on Carlos Carrasco because he's like

623
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Speaker 2: in his late thirties. He came as an add on

624
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Speaker 2: to Francisco Lindor. He have him for thirteen million dollars

625
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: this year. He's a fucking cancer survivor. Like, just cut.

626
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Speaker 2: This guy's some fucking slack. He probably never will be

627
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Speaker 2: an ace again or one of the top twenty five

628
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Speaker 2: pitchers in baseball, but I'm sure he'll be good. And

629
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Speaker 2: the worst case scenario is that he's better than Gerardikough

630
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Speaker 2: and he's pitching. He's pitching instead of him. So everyone,

631
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Speaker 2: just give the fucking break. With Carlos Carrasco on.

632
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Speaker 1: Twitter, Yeah, he just uh he gets to Steven Matts treatman,

633
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: you give up a first thing bomb and everyone thinks

634
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: she's thinking, but he like literally settles down so quickly

635
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. It's almost like he does it to just

636
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: like cool his nerves a little bit, like all right,

637
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: I give him my home run. We're good now, like

638
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: let's play ball.

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00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: You know, he's been sick over the last two months.

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00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: Steven Matts so good. Yeah, he's shut down the Yankees

641
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: the other night, which all right, awesome at least if

642
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: the Mets season is going down and fire, so is

643
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: the Yankees, which is great to see.

644
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Speaker 2: Good it would be just a group funeral this weekend.

645
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: Which, yeah, we can get to that a little bit later.

646
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: I guess some other interesting things to talk about this game.

647
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: JD Big double big mep. You talk about that home run.

648
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: This team though, it's just there's just not that. The

649
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: juice just isn't there. Whenever we see this game, there

650
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: was some juice.

651
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: There was a little bit of juice. When Lindor got

652
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: that single. I felt like.

653
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: Juicy, you know, I felt like there could have been juice.

654
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm being a little uh blurred because of what

655
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: happened in game two three, which was juiceless, no juice whatsoever.

656
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: And we should have known because the juice man, Jonathan Vr,

657
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: they didn't even try to squeeze him. They didn't even

658
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: give a shot in game three. So if you're not

659
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: having the wettest man on the team in the lineup,

660
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea.

661
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: Fellas. You're calling men wet, Fellas.

662
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm calling Jonathan Vr wet. The dude's wet. He said

663
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: he's the juiceman. We win game one, whoopy fucking do,

664
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk about game two. Let's get negative again.

665
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

666
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: I'm tired of being happy.

667
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: Game two is fucking disgusting, much less fun than Game one,

668
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: but still shockingly more.

669
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: Funding Game three somehow.

670
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: If you wouln't asked me twenty four hours ago, I

671
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: would not have believed you.

672
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: Like watching Game two and the way that it lost.

673
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: Keep in mind the way we lost today in Game

674
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: three or the day before. If you guys are listening

675
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: to this, you know on Monday, Monday, don't know, I

676
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: don't know what day of the week it is. I'm

677
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: so screwed up. But if you guys listen to this

678
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: on Friday, people after Game two said that was the

679
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: worst loss of the year on Twitter, which also is

680
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: just vehemently incorrect.

681
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: I got a fight with a friend of mine on Twitter, like, yeah,

682
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: it's good Twitter a queens Jack ran he said it

683
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: was the worst loss of the year. I said, you're

684
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: fucking nuts, Like I could probably name five losses worse

685
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: than Game two, and one of those reasons why. But

686
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: that's also a little teaser, because we're gonna break down

687
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: the worst losses of the year in a future episode

688
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: once this thing really gets into shit there. But it

689
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: wasn't that bad because we were facing Santi al Quintara,

690
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: and he just makes mince meat of the Mets on

691
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: a regular basis.

692
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean he also makes mince meat of like a

693
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of people, but specifically he is on another level

694
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: against the Mets.

695
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: It's not like the Mets.

696
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: He's like a good picture with like a twenty three

697
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: percent k rate, a mid three Zra with very good stuff,

698
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 4: who keeps the ball on the ground most of the time.

699
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: He's a very good picture. I'd love to have him

700
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: on the Mets. He was probably this is gonna sound

701
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: crazy to say, but probably the best overall piece that

702
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: the Marlins got back for the massive teardown.

703
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: What was it? A Yamamoto was a part of that trade.

704
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Brince Santaara, Brinson.

705
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: Galin actually was part of that. But that turns into schism.

706
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't really know who else was around

707
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: in that one.

708
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: So six though, I'm mixing together the sixth, the JT Realmuto,

709
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: the Yelich, the Ozuna and Stanton Trays. Yeah, of all those,

710
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: is not the guy. No, He's definitely not the guy.

711
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: Also at turn Back. But Sandial Katar is the gem

712
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: of this organization right now. He has legit had two

713
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: of the three best starts of his career against the Mets,

714
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: because everyone remembers the complete game. Shoutout back in twenty

715
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: nineteen when he had like fourteen k's, it was like

716
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: a two hitter or something.

717
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: He had fourteen k's again in this game.

718
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I might have been mixing up

719
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: to fourteen k's there again because maybe that one was

720
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: ten or something, but this was. These were literally two

721
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: of the best three games in his career by Fangrafts

722
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: game score. If you go to san diial Katar's full

723
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: career game log and you click game score in the

724
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: top right corner and sorted by that, two of the

725
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: top three are against the Mets one and three, with

726
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: a bullshit start against the Royals last year mixed in.

727
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: He's just he's he's really good. He's really good, Like

728
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: you said. Someone asked me what would it take for

729
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: the messiget Sandy Alkantaro was like, that's just not happening.

730
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: So that's that one goodbye. They're trading him, especially to

731
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: the Mets. Why would they do that?

732
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: People like all the Moins have so many pitchers, they

733
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: should trade their best one for Mets bad prospects so

734
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: the Mets can also be good. No, that's trade Twitter

735
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: is worse than Mets Twitter. It's discussed trade twitters. Despair

736
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: despicable Sandy. Also, I don't want to say Sam because

737
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: we're talking about the other Sandy. Mister Alkintaras as he

738
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: should be called by all of us peasants. He had

739
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: his coming out party against the Mets too in twenty

740
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: eighteen when he couldn't get anybody out. He couldn't even

741
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: throw a fucking strike and he threw seven shot out

742
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: of the innings with ten strikeouts in city field. In

743
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: the September game, it was like the last series of

744
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: the year. I'm pretty sure it was like either last

745
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: day of September, like beginning of October, one of those

746
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: things that nobody watched except for the psychos like us.

747
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: Were psychos like us? Yeah, yeah, but it's like this

748
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: was the game I penciled the metsin to lose this series.

749
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: So when this was happening, I wasn't like distraught.

750
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what made it even crazier is that Dick

751
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: Mountain rich Hill probably had like one of his best

752
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: starts of the year. He was fantastic.

753
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh, he definitely has best stars in Met No doubt.

754
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: He had some good ones early in the season with

755
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: the Rays. Because he's an old man, he goes through

756
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: reps and flows, he gets a little tired.

757
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's forty four, is he for I thought it's

758
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: forty two, forty two, forty three. He's older than every

759
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: coach except Dave Jows on the Mets.

760
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: It feels like so he was pitching in two thousand

761
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: and eight. Yeah, we were in middle school. But through

762
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: six innings, eight k's one earned. I'm been telling everyone

763
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: for the last few weeks about rich Hill sliders, and

764
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: he did it again, increased its usage again, turning him

765
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: into a super super viable starting pitcher. Was the most

766
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: he's thrown at all season, including his games with the Rays.

767
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: He now has a third legitimate pitch. This is his

768
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: best stretch of the year since May, back with Tampa

769
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: the first time. Also since May, he's completed six innings

770
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: and back to back starts. That slider got six whifs

771
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: on eight swings. All three of his primary pitches got

772
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: six whifts, so slider, the curveball, and the fastball. He

773
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: had a forty one percent with rate, which was the

774
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: third highest percentage of the entire evening, only trailing Sandy Alkintara,

775
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: of course, and Nathan Nvaldi, who threw a goddamn gem

776
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: against the Rays a fucking hell of a start. Like,

777
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm happy that Sandy Alderson the blind squirrel was right

778
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: once here with rich Hill made actually a decent deadline acquisition.

779
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: He's pretty fucking good.

780
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Technically, that was Zack Scott's move. What's interesting with rich

781
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: Hill is this new development of the slider, which has

782
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: to be thanks to Jeremy Heffner. You would have to

783
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: assume that he comes here and all of a sudden

784
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: starts throats slider more and more effectively. Oh you got

785
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: the Effner jersey.

786
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: There it is the.

787
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: Second time I flashed on the YouTube video. But I

788
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: think you were ranting too hard the first time. I

789
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: missed it.

790
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I missed it as well. It's looking nice,

791
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: it's looking nice. Wrong number, but it looks nice.

792
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: It's the right number one. Remember he played with?

793
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh okay, the number he played with. Yes, it's a

794
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Jeremy after player jersey.

795
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I also think that maybe since Heath Henry

796
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: was he actually like govers he saw on the roster.

797
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: I who cares? Who cares? It's Heath Hembury. Although I

798
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: would have loved to see him pitch and set a

799
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: brad fucking hand tonight, it was a bad call by us.

800
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: We said, maybe he'll get Heath Hembry's innings. He'll be okay, wrong, wrong.

801
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: But where I was going with this rich Hill tangent

802
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: is we might be looking at a guy whose career

803
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: might get extended by a couple of years with the

804
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: new development of the slider. The modern day Jamie Moyer,

805
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: who again, we just need to talk about this. Jamie

806
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: Moyer pitched until he was forty nine years old. That's insane.

807
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: The dude was almost fifty.

808
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: That's disgusting. Also, was recording this on Thursday night. Tom

809
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: Brady's forty four years old, looking spry as hell, throwing

810
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: the ball all over the fields. Right now there Chris

811
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: Collins with and Al Michaels are having a discussion of that,

812
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: like is this the best Tom Brady's ever been in

813
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: his career? Like if you could have the choice a

814
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: forty four year old Tom Brady, thirty four year old

815
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, your twenty four year old Tome Brady, Like,

816
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: who are you taking?

817
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: He's got to be getting some like infant blood transfusions

818
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: or something. There's no way that at forty four he

819
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: could be moving like this and still playing so well

820
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: he eat.

821
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: I'd be run real tom Brady tangent here, but he

822
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: only eats like six things. There's no bread, there's no

823
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: red meat, there's no almost no sugar whatsoever. It's only

824
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: like some fruits, no strawberries, white fish, chicken. I don't

825
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: think there's any pork involved at all. Tons and tons

826
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: of rice, HuLos of rice. Everyone out there, just I

827
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: love rice. Get the fucking rice cooker and start cooking

828
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: up rice. It'd be like Tom Brady no time. By

829
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: the time you're forty four, he'll be slinging the ball

830
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: all over all over the field.

831
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could use a tom Brady on our team

832
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: right now. We need all the help we can get.

833
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: Rich Hill, our closest in age to Tom Brady, gave

834
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: us a chance though he was really frigging good. No

835
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: issues here with how rich Hill played. It was just

836
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: that the Mets got shut down, couldn't score. I mean

837
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: we did get one. KENFORDO hit a nice you know,

838
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: a nice shot for us. It was huge big at

839
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: the time.

840
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Get some credit where it's due. He's been pretty good.

841
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: Ops is over nine fifty since August first.

842
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been heating up. He's looking like the player

843
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: we hope we'd see for one hundred and sixty two

844
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: games this year. Maybe the injury stuff, he's finally feeling healthy.

845
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's coming a little too late, unfortunately,

846
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: but it might have saved his offseason. That's about all

847
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: I can say about him.

848
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: I don't think he saved his offseason.

849
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: This might just like it might get him a contract

850
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: that's not the qualifying offer.

851
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: Maybe, but it won't. I still don't think it'd be

852
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: much better in the qualifying offer if Marcus Semion wasn't

853
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: offered the qualifying offer, Like, who the fuck? Who the

854
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: fuck are we to say to Michael confod the even.

855
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: Well, that is true. And Nick Castiano Scott what like

856
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: two years, thirty million or something like that. Yeah, he's

857
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: a sick hitter. He's way better than Confordo's ever been

858
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: at the plate.

859
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: So fuck, damn it, damn it.

860
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: This is infuriating. And then let's talk about James McCann

861
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: because this guy, by the way, started tonight, started in

862
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Game three James McCann is the devil. He is a

863
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: curse upon this New York Mets team. He came back,

864
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: and not that Themes were playing great baseball without him.

865
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: Let's not pretend like this Mets team was, you know,

866
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: barnstore in here. But he came back, and the Mets

867
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: have refused to score runs in games he appears in,

868
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: and they did it again tonight.

869
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 2: I was watching this game back and forth just because,

870
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: like a little bit later, Forday the fancy football draft

871
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: today at six. We really snuck that one in right

872
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: before the season started. And when I saw those brad

873
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: hand pitches, I thought it was Misken because he was

874
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: getting so far out of his crouch and he was

875
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: so long. I was like, there's no way James McCay

876
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: can get to that ball.

877
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Oh boy, we're in so much trouble with him.

878
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: Did I tell you so much? Did I tell you

879
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: said you?

880
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: Did?

881
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: You called it?

882
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: You called I didn't expect him to regress back to

883
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: being awful. I thought he'd be like a little worse.

884
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: Gary was alluding to it a lot on the broadcast tonight.

885
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: He's like, well, yeah, the thing with James McCann is

886
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: he probably shouldn't be playing this much, like he said that,

887
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: like straight up, like we shouldn't be playing James mccannon

888
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: as much as he is.

889
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: I had disgusting thought earlier today that he could be

890
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: a DFA candidate in the offseason. And I don't even

891
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: think it's that crazy.

892
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Steve con really does not care about the

893
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: money and actually, like he says, wants to win a

894
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: World Series in three to five years, James mccannon is

895
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: just not a part of that team. He's just he's

896
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: not even really a serviceable but backup right now, barely.

897
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: He I can't even do the things he was supposed

898
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: to do well, like play defense. He had an awful

899
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: error and I think that was the eighth inning.

900
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: It was a tough playout give him it. I was mad.

901
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: It was a tough play, but if you are going

902
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: to try and make that play, you have to get

903
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: the out. You have to and he did not, and

904
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: it could have been way worse.

905
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: Also, like this is what you're here to do, Like

906
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: you're not gonna hit. Everyone was pretty aware of that,

907
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: Like maybe you could hit a little bit, but you

908
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: have to be a very good defensive player. You have

909
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: to like be the leader of the pitching staff like

910
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: Jase mccannon. Big yeah, strong, barely leadership, trustworthy. You can't make.

911
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: You can't make throst like that. You can't do it.

912
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: And he got pinchhit for in this game by Patrick Masika,

913
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: who's hitting like what one seventy at the major league level.

914
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: We love Pat Mezka, He's a folk legend over here.

915
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: But for James mccannon, who he paid four years, forty

916
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: million dollars to to get pinch hit for by a

917
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: triple A catcher who's not even a major league a

918
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: serviceable major league hitter. That's gotta be one of the

919
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: lowest moments of his career out side of getting cut

920
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: by the Tigers.

921
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: The irony is that a month and a half ago

922
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: in that Cincinnati series, we used him to pinch it

923
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: for Neito and he actually came through in the clutch.

924
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: How just how much has changed in such a short

925
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: period of time. And this was an inning where all

926
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: of Luis Rojas haters could have really sung sung their

927
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: hate from the mountaintops because he got a little bit

928
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: too pinch hit happy, I would say lefty happy here

929
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: when he pinched hit also Giorme for Polar Kevin Pillar,

930
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: who for all I've said about him, all the horrible

931
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: things I've said about Kevin Pillar time and time again

932
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: in this podcast, about all the boomers who love him

933
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: to death, even though I don't really at all. Last

934
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: two weeks, he's been scorching hot.

935
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Squeeze's been one of the best hitters.

936
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: He has hit the ball over one hundred and five

937
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 2: miles An how we're more in the last two weeks

938
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: than he has hit it in the last three months combined,

939
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: if nothing else, like he's feeling himself right now, maybe

940
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: Luis Giormey, who I don't remember having a hit in

941
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: like a couple of months because of course the injury. Yeah,

942
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: but like I don't I didn't understand that that pinch

943
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: up there at all. I didn't get all.

944
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: It didn't really make sense. I kind of see where

945
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: he's going, but it's just the wrong move. I think.

946
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: I think that was again, like you said, trying to

947
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: do too much. And then the other crazy thing is

948
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: then who's gonna play center field? And you can only

949
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: put Albert Almore out there, who we know how I

950
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: feel about him. I'm saving my rant on him some

951
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: more as we get later onto this game. But yeah,

952
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: like your mate, he worked a walk. It was a

953
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: fine at bat, it was a great.

954
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: At bat, but like it was too out to the

955
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: man on third, and we were in that position because

956
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: Javier Bias struck out with the man on second to

957
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: start the inning. Because the Mets now just can't score

958
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: in ten tendings anymore, that's the new thing that's happening now.

959
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: God forbid, we can't do that. I don't like if

960
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: Bias too much shit because he's like played Superman a

961
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: lot of times this year, but while he has those

962
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: high highs, as we say over and over again, he

963
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: has such low fucking lows to not like, tighten up

964
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: a little bit to know the situation, play situational baseball,

965
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: like fucking shit, dude.

966
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: Frustrating, frustrating, frustrating, frustrating. Lugo shaky ninth, super shaky ninth,

967
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: not looking sharp again. We're moving backwards, I know, but

968
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: I just I need to talk about it because Lugo

969
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: has been shaky a lot recently, shake out and like,

970
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm coming off hard on Lugo as well.

971
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: I've done it recently. Also, forget he's coming back from

972
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: like a surgery technically in the off season, so he

973
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: probably is a little tired, a little off. Something's probably

974
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: just not one hundred percent. That being said, like I

975
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: just really we need if we wanted to have a chance,

976
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: he's gotta be on.

977
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: I have a lugo take I've been developing. What is it.

978
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: I think that he still intends to be a starting pitcher.

979
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: And that's why his head in his head and possibly

980
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: like in talks with his agent because or possibly even

981
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: talking internally with the Mets. We don't know what the

982
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: fuck they have about there, Slee. It don't tell us anything.

983
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: As we've done with this Jacob. The ground fucking situation

984
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: he had partially torn used the olfa last three months.

985
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: No one's said worried about that.

986
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: They said it just healed itself. It's it's healed now, Jaman.

987
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: Jacob Grum is a superhuman Like I wouldn't be the

988
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: most shocked if his ucl actually did heal itself. Like

989
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: he has these crazy like microbes in his upright elbow.

990
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: The same things that have helped him to throw harder

991
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: and harder for the last four years have just like

992
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: magically like switched around his elbow and healed it. But

993
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: the fact that he's still mixing all these pitches even

994
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: though he's entrenched in like a high leverage relief role,

995
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense to me. There's no reason at all,

996
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: Seth Lugo should be throwing anything besides his fastball, his curveball,

997
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: maybe mixing in some slyders if he works second inning

998
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: or maybe potentially dies your situations. Look at Josh Heither,

999
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 2: look at Edwin Diaz, look at the most electric clothes

1000
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: in baseball. I'm sorry I called Edmin Diaz electric because

1001
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: he did some bad things after the shore, But like

1002
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: the stuff is electric, that's the point I'm trying to make,

1003
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: and Lugo has stuff on that level. Guy like tj Antne,

1004
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: you should just focus on your best pitches. Like there's

1005
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: tons of research and data and that show that that

1006
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: is what works, especially in a bullpen roll. People are

1007
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: even doing that now more in a starting role. I've

1008
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: said this guy before. See you got like Wassker, you

1009
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: know what, Just throw the same two pitches when he starts.

1010
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: Ranger Suarez is doing shit like that. Ronaldo Lopez now

1011
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: doing that in a three four inning role. Just throw

1012
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: your best pitches, Why are you fucking around with so

1013
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: many change ups and sliders? Like what the fuck?

1014
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: Well, especially for you guy like Lugo two, where like

1015
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: his big thing that's gone to the major leagues was

1016
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: his spin rate stuff. The changeup is so unreliant on

1017
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: spin rate it doesn't even make sense for him to

1018
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: really have that in his arsenal pitch breakdown of Lugo

1019
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: this year twenty nine point eight percent fastball, twenty eight percent,

1020
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: curveball twenty five percent, sinker thirteen point six percent, slider

1021
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: three point eight percent change up, So that just in

1022
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: case you wanted to hear that a little bit. And

1023
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: then let's talk about the end of the game Marlins,

1024
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: because of course you couldn't scored. Bunt the runner over

1025
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: to third, nice strikeout of Hazus Sanchez and then Brian

1026
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: de la Cruz, who we decided to pitch to with

1027
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: an open base, hottest hitter on the Marlins owns the Mets.

1028
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: I don't understand that decision to pitch to him either.

1029
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: With Lewen Diaz, who I'm a big lew and Daz fan,

1030
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: I like him. I think he's gonna be a good

1031
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: ballplayer at some point. Maybe maybe not with the Marlins,

1032
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: but I think he has a nice swing. You gotta

1033
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: pitch too. He's hitting one hundred. The dude has never

1034
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: hit at all at the major league level. You can't

1035
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: pitch with Brian deal la Cruz, who's just unbelievably hot

1036
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: right now.

1037
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: I think people kind of made more of this than

1038
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: it was. I think from a true talent standpoint, I

1039
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: don't think there's that much of a difference between Brian

1040
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: de la Cruz and lew and Diaz. People are bringing

1041
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: up ops in like seventy at bat samples like that

1042
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: is not really reliable or good at all. And there's

1043
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: no reason Edwin Diz can't get out Brian de la

1044
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: Cruz or two outs, especially when the at bat before

1045
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: he struck out Hayesu Sanchez electric pitch sequence like he

1046
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: was fantastic. Yeah, I think people are killing him too much.

1047
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: Even Evan Roberts today was like grilling him on their

1048
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: like their semi weekly radio spot, and Louis Rojas got

1049
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: mad at him. He was basically like, shut the fuck up,

1050
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: like he didn't actually say that, And I listened as

1051
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: a wild ago and I kind of forget because I'm

1052
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: got so hot, but he wasn't. He didn't really appreciate

1053
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: Evan Roberts saying like, you should have regretted that decision

1054
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: last night. I don't think from a baseball standpoint, it

1055
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: was like the dumbest thing in the world, or even

1056
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: the dumb decision that Luis ro has made this game.

1057
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Of course that's not that's not a great thing to say,

1058
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: because I think the pinch hitlers the inning before was

1059
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: pretty stupid. But I can't kill him for like people are, Oh,

1060
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 2: Bryan de la Cruz. It wasn't Haysluu's acular. It wasn't

1061
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: very fucking bonds, Like, there's no reason that you can't

1062
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 2: pitch the Brian de la Cruz or two outs.

1063
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: No, you're right, I agree like Edwin da should get

1064
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: Brian de la Cruz out Pinsight's twenty twenty. I mean,

1065
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: he's a hot hitter, he owns the Mets. It's a

1066
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: little bit of you know, what have you done for

1067
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: me lately? As opposed to really taking a look at

1068
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: it again, it's whatever the thing that really bothered me,

1069
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, one Edwin Police for the love of God,

1070
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: stopp pointing to the sky when the ball's hit in

1071
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: the air every single time. It's a fucking piss missile.

1072
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: He should have learned from Hansel Roblez. We've talked about this,

1073
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: but the other thing that drove me nuts here was

1074
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Albert al Moroz in center one playing unbelievably shallow, I

1075
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: mean so insanely shallow with two outs. I don't did

1076
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: he think there was one out and he had to

1077
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: make a play at the plate. Anything too deep he

1078
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: wasn't be able to throw the guy out. I'm not sure.

1079
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he knew what was going on because

1080
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: when that ball was hit, it was smoked. You knew

1081
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: it was going to the wall. You knew at the

1082
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: absolute worst was at the wall. He sort of drifted

1083
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: and then as the ball starting to land, he goes

1084
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: to play it off the wall. I get it. You

1085
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: don't want to crash into the wall and break your face.

1086
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: He's done that multiple times. He's clearly got a little

1087
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: bit of pussy foot when it comes to going near

1088
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: the wall. But he shouldn't be on this team for

1089
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: multiple reasons. There's one reason you'd ever consider having him here,

1090
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: and it's because of his fieldings talent. If he's not

1091
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: gonna be laying out into walls. He has nothing, He

1092
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: has nothing. You know what this guy's hitting this year.

1093
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: I talked about it a little bit earlier. One eighteen

1094
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: what eighteen batting average? How many hits does he have

1095
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: on the AAR seven six fifty three at bats, six hits,

1096
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: one fifty one on base, one seventy six slugging. I

1097
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: don't even know how you get a one seventy six slugging.

1098
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: That's like a picture bad. We basically just insert a

1099
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: pitcher who's supposed to be a good field drout in

1100
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: center field every once in a while, and he has

1101
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: stunk all year long. He's stunk for years now. I

1102
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: don't understand how he was on this team. I don't

1103
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: understand how they keep using him. It's infuriating. I'm so

1104
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: done with Albert al Mora. He's the new air and

1105
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: all terror for me because that guy was awful as well.

1106
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: He sucked eggs, terrible, just really fucking terrible. It's just

1107
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: it's frustrating. It's frustrating Mets world. You probably see a

1108
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: lot of the anger and frustration and just bad things

1109
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: that we've kept pent up inside all season long because

1110
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: we thought that there might be a light at the

1111
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel here, but today, at least in

1112
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: my world, I'll speak for myself here. The Mets season's over.

1113
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: It's done. We're gonna basically be playing for who's gonna

1114
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: be around next year. We're gonna be playing for who's

1115
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: gonna be getting paid a little bit more next year.

1116
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: At this point, I don't really have any sort of

1117
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: hope that this Mets team makes the playoffs. If for

1118
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: some insane fucking chance, they do, I will be happy,

1119
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: i will celebrate, I will be excited, and I'll be

1120
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: right back on it right now. I'll be watching the

1121
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: games because of the podcast, because I'm a diehard Mets

1122
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: fan still, and because we I miss baseball. It's the

1123
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: best sport in the world. But really, this Mets team

1124
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: is dead in the water. It's over.

1125
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: Could agree with you more. I'm gonna be at the

1126
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: ballpark tomorrow night, and it's gonna be a It's probably

1127
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: gonna be a pretty brutal scene. If I'm being honest

1128
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: with you.

1129
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a home game for the Yankees. It

1130
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: is going to be a majority Yankee fan crowd. I

1131
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: think the Mets are gonna get embarrassed on national TV

1132
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: all week long, which is gonna be awesome. That's gonna

1133
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: be sick to have our home game at City Field

1134
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: in here. Let's go Yankee chance louder than let's go

1135
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Mets chance. It's gonna be awesome. Here's the one consolation

1136
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: that the Mets have. We can play spoiler. We can

1137
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: play spoiler. If we're gonna go down in flames, let's

1138
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: bring everybody else down with us. We have a chance

1139
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: here to really fuck the Yankees. This could be our

1140
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: world series maybe this year. I don't know if we're

1141
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna get real cliche and cringey. Yeah, middle Finger World

1142
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: Series in September. It's it's cringey. But if we got

1143
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: anything to play for, beat the fucking Yankees.

1144
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: I will also say this homestand just as we transition

1145
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: into the Yankee preview, we're facing the Yankees, the Cardinals,

1146
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: and the Phillies, probably three of the four teams I

1147
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: hate the most in all of baseball.

1148
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're up there, like the Cardinals. There's really no

1149
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: other reason besides two thousand and six. That's the Cardinals.

1150
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: It's a great reason. Phillies garbage City garbage people. We

1151
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: know that Yankees because fuck the Yankees. But I mean,

1152
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: can we win these games or our matchups? Who are

1153
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: we going up against or are we looking at the Yankees?

1154
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: We're playing some awful baseball.

1155
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: The Met's actually have a pretty good shot to win

1156
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: these games because Garrett call is just gonna They thought

1157
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: there was a chance he could slide into the series

1158
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: because he only threw I think four innings on I

1159
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: believe that was Tuesday or Wednesday.

1160
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: I left with the ham string thing.

1161
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's not. And then James and Tian's actually

1162
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: gone on the IL now with an ankle issue, so

1163
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: they're gonna be a fill in for Sunday. So Friday

1164
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 2: night we have Taiwan versus Jordan Montgomery.

1165
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: Who kills the Mets. I feel like, I feel like

1166
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: every time you face the Mons, we can't touch him.

1167
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: I think ESPN's thing is wrong here because they say Taiwan,

1168
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: Trevor Williams, Carls Carrasco. There's no way it's gonna be

1169
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: Trevor Williams, that Tyler McGill.

1170
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that can't be right.

1171
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: So you got those you got those corrected pitching matchups.

1172
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we got McGill going Friday night in the

1173
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: black Jerseys, we got Taiwan going Saturday, Carrasco going Sunday.

1174
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine. Maybe I don't know. Jordan Montgomery, Cory

1175
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: Kluber don't scare me in the slightest.

1176
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: No, they shouldn't. I mean they shouldn't. But again, this

1177
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: Mets team can't hit Zach Pop, so we might be

1178
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: in trouble. Who knows.

1179
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 6: I mean.

1180
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: If this team I just show a little bit of

1181
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: life here to end the season, I don't even know.

1182
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: Do I want you to do? I want you to

1183
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: make it close and still not make it.

1184
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 4: No, definitely, I want the guys this team to show

1185
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 4: some fight because if they don't, I don't want them

1186
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: to be on this team next year. So I just

1187
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 4: at least want these decisions to be made over the

1188
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: next month.

1189
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: Dud's got to be playing for their jobs right now.

1190
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: A guy like Dom Smith has got to show something

1191
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: this last two weeks here, because he's.

1192
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: Not playing for his job, he's playing for his life.

1193
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing for his life. Okay, that's where we're switching to.

1194
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: These guys are playing for their life. JD. Davis has

1195
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: to show a little something. JD's got to show a

1196
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: little something. I know he still has been hitting like okay,

1197
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: but it feels like JD loves a good hit when

1198
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And maybe that's just me being selective here,

1199
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: but feels like every time with the runs in and scoring

1200
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: position recently, he's just swinging through everything. So JD's got

1201
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: to play a little bit. He's just not good enough

1202
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: to have a spot locked in right now.

1203
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 2: Maybe if there's a DH him, but that's like kind

1204
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: of like in my mind, it's like him and Tom

1205
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: should be fighting over the same roster spot to keep

1206
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: both of those guys on your team. Two guys who

1207
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 2: really can't play most positions in the field. The only

1208
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: one that Dom can play is where Pete plays, and

1209
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: Pete is pretty ensconced the first base right now. I

1210
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 2: don't think anything's gonna take him off there.

1211
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: No, And JD probably would first base probably his best

1212
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: position too, if he had to put him anywhere in

1213
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: the field. So yeah, competition for the back first baseman

1214
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: slash DH between j D and Dom Smith. I hate

1215
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: to say, but I think McNeil is playing a little

1216
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: bit for his for his spot as well. I don't

1217
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: think he's going anywhere because he has the value if

1218
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: he still plays a good outfield. He can play second,

1219
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: he can play third. But I think if McNeil wants

1220
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: legitimate playing time going into next year and maybe a

1221
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: starting spot on opening Day, he's probably gotta show a

1222
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: little life. Which it pains me a side because I

1223
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: love Jeff personal friend, but I.

1224
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: Agree with you wholeheartling. This something I said like a

1225
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: month ago, and people on Twitter jump down my throat

1226
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: to say that I don't think Jeff McNeil, this this

1227
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: iteration of Jeff McNeil is a star there on a

1228
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: World Series caliber team.

1229
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: I no, I think that's very important to say.

1230
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 2: Definitely like he Jeff McNeil will start in like twenty

1231
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: seven teams in baseball and he will do a great

1232
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: job and he'll be fine. Give him five hundred that

1233
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: back to play in a great season.

1234
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 4: But if you truly want to win a World Series

1235
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 4: now two to four years, Jeff McNeil has to become

1236
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 4: much more powerful.

1237
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: If we want that to happen, he has to go

1238
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: to the Jeffmannil that we've seen in the past. This

1239
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: in between average, like an okay average, but no power,

1240
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: Like you either have to sell out and be that

1241
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna hit like three ten, three twenty like

1242
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: we saw when he first came up, or you've got

1243
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: to be the guy who hit the twenty home runs

1244
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: that year. You can't be in the middle. And unfortunately,

1245
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: right now he's getting caught in between what kind of

1246
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: player he wants to be. Something's got to change there

1247
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: a little bit for Jeff. He is massively struggling. He's

1248
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: also so insanely unluckily unlucky. The dude lines out to everybody.

1249
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: It feels like every single.

1250
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: Game we didn't even talk about the Hay Susanchez play

1251
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 4: in right field during game time.

1252
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, forgot about that. Got fucked on that one, Yeah,

1253
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: I got fucked. He was completely in fair territory. I

1254
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: don't know how they missed that. How do this is

1255
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: the thing? We have so many fucking angles. It seems

1256
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: like every other ballpark we go to has none. Are

1257
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: they just turning off cameras and hiding them when we play,

1258
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: because there's no way that the Marlins don't have a

1259
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: better view of that than what they were showing. Also,

1260
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: why is there not a camera literally on the foul

1261
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: pole just looking down the line, like the NFL has

1262
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: the pylon cam and that thing's actually in play. You're

1263
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: telling me we can't put a fucking camera on the

1264
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: foul pole in every Major league stadium. That's unbelievable. Major

1265
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: League Baseball is so fucking cheap.

1266
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: No, it's ridiculous. It's absolutely asked back. MLB at this

1267
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: point in the game. Still fucking struggles with these replays.

1268
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1269
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: Yep, still struggles. But again it's whatever. We still score

1270
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: two runs that day. We still stunk. Whatever it is.

1271
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: Who else I mean we're talking about for spots on

1272
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: team Canfordo, who really knows what's going on there. He's

1273
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: kind of hard to say because he's a free agent.

1274
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: So this, I mean, there's a guy who's two years away,

1275
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: Francisco Alvarez.

1276
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: Oh look at you, Look at you with that little segue.

1277
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: That's smooth. Let's get positive here. To end the episode,

1278
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: we have our Francisco Alvarez interview. I honestly was thinking

1279
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna miss it, but you know what, let's

1280
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Speaker 1: end it with something positive. Let's talk to one of

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Speaker 1: the top prospects in Major League Baseball, one of the

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Speaker 1: bright young stars in the game. Here's our interview with

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Speaker 1: him when he was on the Brooklyn Cyclones a few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. I hope you guys enjoy it. Take a listen,

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Speaker 1: all right, mess up listeners. This is unbelievable. We have

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Speaker 1: a top prospect in the Mets organization, Francisco Alvarez.

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Speaker 3: We're interviewing.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking some questions, getting to know him a little

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Speaker 1: bit better here than Thank you Francisco for doing this.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Can just ask you a few questions.

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Speaker 1: Get to know you.

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 1: You play a game with a lot of swag. Is

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Speaker 1: this something that you always had, you know, growing up

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Speaker 1: throughout your baseball career.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Hulo.

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Speaker 5: He's been playing like this with a lot of swag

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Speaker 5: since he was little, so he's always played like that.

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Speaker 4: Talk about playing base when you were little. Have you

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 4: always been a catcher? Like was this to and throw no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: In field.

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Speaker 5: You Venezuela, Okay, so you know he was more of

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Speaker 5: an infield their third base. But when he played for

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Speaker 5: I guess our equivalent of like the States, right, he

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Speaker 5: would play outfield.

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Speaker 3: He's quite a.

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Speaker 1: Utility man, Venezuela and obviously and there's so much where,

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Speaker 1: so many great players that have come from that country.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think was your favorite player when you

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Speaker 1: were growing up.

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Speaker 6: In the place?

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Speaker 7: Even so, come on, Gadro, no Illumino is. And that's

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Speaker 7: a I'm going into because I know.

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Speaker 3: So growing up. Of course, his favorite player is Miguel Cabrera.

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Speaker 5: Right, you know when he was like playing growing up, right,

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00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 5: you know, he was wading triple crowns and all that

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Speaker 5: kind of stuff. So of course he's the model player

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Speaker 5: to follow, right, And the reason why he's wearing twenty

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Speaker 5: four is not because of Miguel Cabrera. But you know,

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Speaker 5: there were several numbers available to him, right, and he

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00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 5: felt like it's the one that just fit him the best, right,

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Speaker 5: them the best, and he didn't want to play in

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Speaker 5: for a sure or a number that didn't feel right.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're called up from Saint Lucie to Brooklyn

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Speaker 4: this year? How did those two cities compare? And how

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Speaker 4: do you like living in New York?

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Speaker 3: Does that? And the Port Saint Luci, New York?

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Speaker 7: Okay, San Lucio, New York, I'm I'm New York, said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Ronnie the Wollo Peto so funnily enough, he

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Speaker 3: likes St.

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Speaker 5: Lucy more because it's just more relaxed, just less people write,

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Speaker 5: less cars, less traffic and everything. I mean, he does

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Speaker 5: like New York a lot, and he loves being able

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Speaker 5: to play baseball in New York. It's a different environment, right,

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Speaker 5: But you know, he did say, like, you know, poor

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Speaker 5: Saint Luci is, you know, just like more Schill. And

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Speaker 5: it's funny because I told him that, Ronnie, you know,

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Speaker 5: gave a different answer, right.

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Speaker 3: He just thought that was funny.

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Speaker 1: So you got to catch Carlos Carrasco and Jacob de

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00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: Ground this year? How is it catching guys that are

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00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: some of the best pictures in Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 3: Jacob?

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Speaker 5: So, it's a fantastic opportunity. Those are pictures that almost

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 5: never make any mistakes, right, and when they do, it's tiny,

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Speaker 5: tiny mistakes.

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Speaker 3: But usually once he's catching them, it.

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Speaker 5: Feels like wherever he calls the pitch, that's exactly where

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Speaker 5: he receives it, right. And so it's a fantastic experience

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00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 5: to be able to again just be in the receiving

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Speaker 5: end of such accuracy and such scale.

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Speaker 4: Basically, when you're playing down Saint Luci, this year that

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00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 4: league had slightly different rules like umpires and pick off throws.

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Speaker 2: As a catcher, how did that affect your game?

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Speaker 3: Saying luci at the umpires, at the robot, the robot limited.

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Speaker 7: Co MLB, and you know.

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Speaker 5: Baseball is basically just progressing so much with technology so quickly,

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Speaker 5: basically something that you know, this this technology that might

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Speaker 5: make it to the major leagues in the future whatnot.

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Speaker 3: And his atted to this like you just have to

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Speaker 3: adapt with it basically overall?

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Speaker 1: Does he like it better as a hitter?

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Speaker 3: Come on?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 5: For him, it's just more beneficial on both ends, right

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Speaker 5: because as a catcher and with the you know, technology

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Speaker 5: that this brings, it just allows people to understand, you know,

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Speaker 5: where certain hitters can't hit and can't hit in the

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Speaker 5: strike zone. You know, it's the same case with him, right,

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Speaker 5: And of course him being a catcher, right, this stuff

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Speaker 5: affects him just way more more than like an outfielder

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Speaker 5: or you know, an infielder, right because he has to

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00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 5: call the game, so definitely like a lot of big

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Speaker 5: impact on his game in that sense, you know, and

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Speaker 5: again brings some benefits to both fans.

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Speaker 4: Basically, we talked about your swagger before and the energy

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 4: you bring to the game. You went pretty viral on

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 4: social media last month when you had your crazy bat

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Speaker 4: flip after the big home run against the Renegades.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about people.

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00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 4: Or fans, like how do you feel about bath flops

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00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 4: and that kind of stuff in the game?

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: Popular? Tell bad? Who are who are Badgo.

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00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 7: You knowing andgo momento they're.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 5: What he says is like, you know, baseball is to

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00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 5: have fun. You're supposed to play and have fun, right,

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00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: And there are times when you do have to like

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: keep your emotions on the control because you never are

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 5: gonna know what's gonna happen in the next game, next

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00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: season or whatnot, and you don't want to disrespect the game,

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 5: right But overall, you know, he likes just to be

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00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 5: able to have fun. He thinks maybe he should have

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00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 5: controlled his emotions better when he flipped the bats, But

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys disagree with that or whatnot.

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 5: But yeah, so there's a time and a place. But again,

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00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 5: they're supposed to have.

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Speaker 3: Fun, okay.

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Speaker 1: And then last question on Instagram, your nickname is troll.

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Speaker 1: Is there a story behind that?

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: Those an Instagram troll?

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00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 7: How come on, yeah, troll.

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00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 5: When he was in the academy, there was a coach that

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 5: came in, and he was very much a jokester, right,

1405
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 5: playing it loose and whatnot. Love giving players nicknames, right,

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01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 5: And so one day he decided to get name. Doesn't

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01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 5: seem to be any like apparent reason or whatnot, right,

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 5: but it caught on enough that even his teammates would

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01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 5: call him and throw it right, and it got to

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Speaker 5: the point where it seems like people in Venezuela know

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Speaker 5: him more as awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's that's great. Francisco, Thank you so much for doing

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: this interview. Appreciate it. Let everybody know where they can

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01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: follow you on social media Instagram, Twitter.

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01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: But.

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: In social media and you know then he doesn't have Twitter.

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01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: You don't like it.

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01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: I can't blame you. Thank you so much, Francisco for

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: doing this interview. Thank you guys for watching and listening.

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: Good luck the rest of the season. Francisco, appreciate it. Dude,

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: how sick? Was Francisco so fucking sick?

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01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: That was so cool, man, one of the cools things

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01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: have ever done in my life. Like you can feel

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01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: that dude's baseball intelligence just seep through during the interview,

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01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: and the fact that we were able to translate all

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01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: of that incredible genius thanks to our good friend Ernie

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01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: subtape underscore. Biggest job out of your fan the world.

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 2: It's just all the credit in the world to him,

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01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: and again Francisco for being such a good interview and

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01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: such a cerebral baseball player.

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01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: It was great, Like our interviews got better as we

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: went on. We got a little more comfortable with the guys.

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01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: The guy seemed to get a little bit more comfortable

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: with us. Francisco gave us some great answers. Also helped that. Again,

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01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: our friend Ernie is Venezuelan, just like Francisco Alvarez, so

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: little icebreaker there too, great answers. He's got all the

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: swag in the world. The dude's got all the confidence

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01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: in the world. I cannot wait to see where Francisco

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01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: Alvarez goes, because this guy's the limit for him. He

1440
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: is a stud. He's I've talked to a lot of

1441
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: like top prospects through my interviewing stuff on YouTube. Call

1442
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: Nick Julia Rodriguez, like probably two of the biggest ones.

1443
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: Francisco Alvarez has a little bit more of the Julio

1444
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: Rodriguez feel where he knows he's good. He's not worried

1445
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: about what he's gonna say, but he's gonna tell you

1446
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: his thoughts. He's gonna keep it real. Jared keelnicks a

1447
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: little bit more on the quiet side, trying to be PC,

1448
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: trying to be you know, I'm gonna be a star.

1449
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my boring answers that someone told

1450
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: me to. Francisco has fun. I love that about him.

1451
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: He just has a lot of fun playing a game

1452
01:01:59,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the.

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01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: Day, even that day that we were in Brooklyn, like

1454
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: on the field during batting practice, he has like a

1455
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 4: certain magnetism about him.

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: He's rocking a big ass chain. He has these six

1457
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: sunglasses on the cover half his face and like reflective.

1458
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: He's drawn with guys. He letting the chest hair flare out.

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01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,479
Speaker 2: He's like dasering people and fucking with them when they're

1460
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: like waiting on the cage.

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: Like when I was doing the mic check earlier before

1462
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: we started interviewing him, I was testing like hello, hello,

1463
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: and he comes into the dugout and he's like hello, hello, Hello,

1464
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: Like he just starts like he's he's a goofball. He's like,

1465
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: he has fun, but he takes his stuff seriously once

1466
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: he gets out onto the field. As we saw from

1467
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: that game when he grounded out on three one pitch

1468
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: and fired his helmet into the dugout. It was scary.

1469
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: It was a little scary, especially because were sitting right

1470
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: behind it. But I hope you guys enjoyed that because

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Speaker 2: we really did.

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01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: Definitely one of the highlights of this Messed Up Podcast.

1473
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see him next year in Binghamton. We'll

1474
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: get you back, Francisco. Don't worry. We'll have a part too,

1475
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit longer. Maybe we can get more

1476
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: of his time. Who knows, We'll push our luck. That's

1477
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: gonna take us here though. To the end of episode

1478
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: number forty eight of the Mets Up Podcast, super negative,

1479
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: but you knew that was coming. What a shit show

1480
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: of a series, What a shit so show of a season.

1481
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: It has been interesting to say the least, but still regardless,

1482
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: we will be here every single series. At the end

1483
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: of it, we'll be giving you a new episode. So

1484
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: make sure you guys are listening along Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

1485
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: Google Podcasts, subscribe to the YouTube channel if you want

1486
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1490
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, Thank you for watching. Well,

1491
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: we'll see you on episode number forty nine of the

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01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: Mets Up Podcast. Peace out.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, see you next time.

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