1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic and this is next question. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Sharon Stone is known for portraying a certain type of brash, 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: cunning villain, like Katherine Trammel in Basic Instinct? Did You 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Kill Mr? Bosmas Tramel, I'd have to be pretty stupid 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: to write a book about killing and then kill somebody 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: the way I described in my book Lorie Quaid and 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: total recall. Sorry, Quie, your whole life is just a dream. 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Or more recently, Leonora Osgood in the Netflix series Ratchet, 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I can't rest until I know he's dead. In reality, though, 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: believe it or not, Sharon Stone is pretty shy and introverted, 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: and despite her fame, has led a very private life. 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: But now she's in the midst of a very public 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: and personal re examination of that life in her memoir 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: The Beauty of Living Twice. When it came down to it, 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: I just thought I could write twenty different memoirs. But 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: what what I really need to figure out here? And 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: what I felt I needed to figure out first in 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: my twenty memoir possibility was who am I? If I'm 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: going to write about my life, the first thing I 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: need to know is who am I? And I felt like, 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: there was a certain point in my life when I 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: felt very kicked, kicked off, kicked down, beaten down, broken, 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: and I needed to know how did I get there 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: so that I don't do that some more? And what 25 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: is it that that led me to that part of 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: my journey? I want to understand, you know, what is 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: it that breaks me? What is it that that leads 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: me in this direction? And it all it is never 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: the thing that really breaks you in the end. That's 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: the straw, that's not that's not the load. And so 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: I just wanted to go back and see what started 32 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: to build that for me, what made that who I was, 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: and what made me vulnerable to ache there? And so 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: I went back and looked at my journey. It's remarkable 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: actually how heavy a low chair and carried at times 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: in her life, from being molested as a child to 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: the sexual harassment she endured in Hollywood to the stroke 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: that nearly killed her back in two thousand one. I 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: actually interviewed her about that experience while I was at NBC. 40 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: We spoke at our home in San Francisco. When it 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: hit me, I felt like I had been shot in 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: the head. That's the only way I can really describe it. 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: It hit me so hard it knocked me over on 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: the sofa. In Today's conversation nearly twenty years later, Sharon 45 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: and I dive right in and talk about the process 46 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: of capturing her life on the page. For Sharon, the 47 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: writing of this book actually happened, and the quietude of 48 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: the night, the kids are in bed, and everybody's TV 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: is off and all those electric waves aren't so strong, 50 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: and the TV, the phones not ringing, and all that 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: stuff is quiet, and I sit down and I just 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of wait for it to start happening. And you know, 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: sometimes it's great, and sometimes I feel like my guts 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: are inside out and I just do what I can do. 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: And sometimes I write two pages and sometimes I write 56 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: for hours, you know, And sometimes most of it's good, 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes some of it's not so great, and I 58 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: get like a couple of paragraphs out of it. But 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: I feel like it's that's my way. I mean, some 60 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: people get up and they write from like seven to 61 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: three every day, and I admire that, but you know, 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: that's not what happens to me. I don't have that thing. 63 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't have That's not how it works for me. 64 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: I have days where it's like I need to paint today, 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Like you really have to like get out of my hair, 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: Like I have to paint today, you know, and I 67 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: wander around with the paintbrush in my teeth. So you 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: obviously have this just this huge well of creativity that 69 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: that you have been mining in recent years, you know, 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: with your painting, with your writing of short stories, with 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: your writing of this memoir. And you know, those are 72 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: all very different pursuits. But when it came to the memoir, 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: you would you would probably expect, or readers might express 74 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: expect that the the person behind the memoir reached some 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: level of self actualization or self awareness. And I'm curious, 76 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: what did you learn about yourself when you were done 77 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: with this? Did you did you see your own persona 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: and your own you know, human being with with more clarity? 79 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I think really the biggest day 80 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: of change was the day I read the book for 81 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: the audible book. Yeah, yeah, reading sitting here. Interestingly enough, 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: the director turned doubt to look like a doppelganger of 83 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: my best friend. And that was kind of, first of all, 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of stunning. When she appeared on the zoom and 85 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: I said, wait a second, you have to see this 86 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: picture of my best friend. You're not going to believe it. 87 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: And then I put the picture of my best friend 88 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: in front of me, and I read the book to 89 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: my best friend. And I just sat here alone in 90 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: my room reading this book out loud to my friend. 91 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: And it pulled it all together to me in a 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: new way, like the completion of it and the reading 93 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: it out loud in this very quiet space. It put 94 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: it into perspective for me in a new way. And 95 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: it really did change my life. And it really made 96 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: me see everybody around me with a different kind of clarity. 97 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: And what about how how you saw yourself? I think 98 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: it made me really own myself out loud. It gave 99 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: me the confidence to say, this is who I really am, 100 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: and you can't define me as something else anymore. I'm 101 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: not going to allow that to happen anymore. And my 102 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: boundaries and my confidence about myself changed so dramatically that Um, 103 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: I changed my life, super dramatically, Like I've fired a 104 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: lot of people around me. People around me fired me. Um, 105 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: my life changed. Really, it's changing. It's changing as we speak. 106 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: My life is changing a lot. Do you feel like 107 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: you're shedding a skin in a way, I feel like 108 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm a caterpillar that turned into a butterfly almost, you know, 109 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: not like I'm shedding a skin exactly as like I'm 110 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm almost free of a shell that was like crushing 111 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: me that like I couldn't get out, Like I felt 112 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: like I was trapped and I couldn't get out like 113 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: this whole other um oppressive construct of like no, this 114 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: is who you are and who you're gonna be. I 115 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: got it off me. It's like, no, it's not gonna 116 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: keep going on. I'm not doing that. I'm not being that. 117 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: You can't make me be that another step I'm not. 118 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: It's off me. Now, it's off me. It's off me 119 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: out loud, It's just off me, Like and get off me, 120 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: Like no, I'm no. The answer to that is a 121 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: giant no and get off me. And anybody who wants 122 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: to insist on that you're done? Who puts that constrictive 123 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: shell on you? Is it? Is it expectations placed on women? 124 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: Is it? Hollywood? Is it a way that you are 125 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: seeing as a BEAUTI full woman? I mean, what what 126 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: kind of came together to produce that very restrictive really 127 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: typecasting or shell or expectations that you were really kind 128 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: of suffocating under. Um, that's a big question, Katie. You know, 129 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: it's a lot of misogyny. It's people who abusive people 130 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: abuse abuse, it's abuse, it's misogyny, it's intentional, uh, misrepresentative behavior. Um, 131 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: it's let me just say that, if you're a trauma 132 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: survivor and you're hiding anything like I was, people can 133 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: be abusers can smell that like a truffle pig can 134 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: smell a truffle. They just can't And I don't know 135 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: how that works. And if you are are have been 136 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: abused by addicts, addicts can smell that like a truffle 137 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: pig can smell a truffle. So I would say I 138 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: have really made huge efforts not to be codependent. But 139 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: if you have been abused by addicts, then you know, 140 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: get the tow alanon, get the to a program where 141 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: you can get help with that, because um, you're a 142 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: target for that. So UM, I had to get myself 143 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: to some help. I had to get myself to Alanan 144 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: and I had to get some actual help with how 145 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: to detach from abuse, to really get it off me. Um. 146 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: And it's been an amazing Uh. It actually makes my 147 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: head hurt to address this, but let's say that's what 148 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: my head hurt to start with. That's what my head 149 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: how my head began to hurt to begin with. Um, 150 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: it's been a really um, a giant setting down of boundaries. 151 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: Just my boundaries are. I love my boundaries, and my 152 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: boundaries love me. Did you not always have them? I mean, 153 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: is this bard in Heaven? I mean, I think the 154 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: whole world is probably aware of how much I didn't 155 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: have boundaries. I think the whole world has seen really clearly, 156 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: with their own two little eyes, how much I was 157 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: abused for not having boundaries. I think the whole world 158 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: has experienced Sharon Stones abuse and lack of boundaries. I 159 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: think we all are really clear that I have been 160 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: abused for lack of boundaries. I think the whole world 161 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: is really understanding that I have been manipulated by lack 162 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: of boundaries, and understanding that I can actually say, get 163 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: the fuck off me. My answer is no, and no 164 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: actually means and oh back it up. I think that 165 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: the whole world has seen the tire treads across my face, 166 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: and yes, I am learning very well the meaning spelling 167 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: and definition of the word boundaries. When we come back, 168 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: what shocked sharing the most about putting her story out 169 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: in the world. That's right after this. You write so 170 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: much about trauma and was that in and of itself traumatizing? Yeah, 171 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: and it continues to be. I mean, the studio has 172 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: decided to release a director's cut of Basic Instinct with 173 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: no permission, discussion, or financial renumeration for me of of 174 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: a director's cut of Basic Instinct. As the thirty years 175 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: celebration of the film, um talk about boundaries, talk about 176 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: a lack of acknowledgement of the female perspective in two 177 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: whenever they're thinking of doing it, Um talk about no 178 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: understanding of me too and me me Sharon Stone too. Um. Yeah, like, hello, 179 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: the world never stops trying to drive up women's brains 180 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: and park there without a parking mass And did you 181 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: express your disappointment or outrage to the fact that that 182 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: was being done without any consultation. My lawyer has spoken 183 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: to Sag and we're expressing it. But you know, when 184 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: you're a young girl and you get your first film, 185 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: this is not what you anticipate they're going to be doing. 186 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: Thirty years later, when you get your first big break 187 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. But you know, there's so many people. I mean, 188 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: let's face it, the man who invented the microwave got 189 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: two bucks. This is not a new story. You write 190 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: a lot about your mom, and I'm curious if you 191 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: reached a deeper understanding about her through the process of 192 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: writing this book, because I know that that that she 193 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: reveals the abew she experienced as a young girl to you, 194 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: and and and you know, I think an interesting thing 195 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: about looking back at your life, you can you can 196 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: have a different vantage point of the people around you 197 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: and the people that you love or we're loved by. 198 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: How did this book change your relationship with your mom 199 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: or your understanding of it? I mean, understanding something doesn't 200 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: make it acceptable, and understanding doesn't fix it. Understanding does 201 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: it make my mom okay? Now, understanding does it make her? 202 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: Understanding doesn't go back and change her whole life. And 203 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: understanding isn't going to change what she values or how 204 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: she's coped, or it has tempered some of her behavior. 205 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: It is tempered the things that she puts forth as 206 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: the good foot, But it hasn't it hasn't changed everything 207 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: she thinks about secrets and lies and everything about what 208 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: she finds as a comfort zone. You know, my mother, 209 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: my mother still feels a little bit more comfort in 210 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: in a certain degree of danger and a certain degree 211 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: of discomfort and a certain degree of not having. You know, 212 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: love and hugs and appreciation and cuddles and extra care 213 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: aren't her number one comfort zone. You know. That can 214 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: creep my mother out. That can make my mother run. 215 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, too much love, too much, um acceptance, too much, 216 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: too much transparency is too much for my mom. You know. 217 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Writing this book and coming fully into transparency is for 218 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: me like like the greatest thing that ever happened. Like 219 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it more than I could ever possibly have imagined. 220 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: It's for me, like you know, apple strutle and ice cream. 221 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, I didn't know that people 222 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: were going to be nice to me after I wrote 223 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: this book. That's such a really big thing. But I 224 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: hadn't as a hated What did you think they were 225 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: going to think or be like to you? Well, people 226 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: haven't always been traditionally particularly nice to me. Traditionally people 227 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: have always been rather cool to me, you know, with 228 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: the exception of people that I really know intimately, people 229 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: have always been quite cool and rather you know, observing 230 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: of me as opposed to being warm and embracing of me. 231 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: This is quite new, and it's so wonderful and so 232 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: so absolutely thrilling. Why do you think they weren't nice 233 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: to you? I think people were afraid of me. I 234 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think people understood me. And I 235 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: think that in my business people were using that as 236 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: that way to pretend that I was different than I 237 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: am and or is my friends know how I am, 238 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: and you know call me and say, you know, I 239 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: can't believe you did this because you're so shy. How 240 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: are you coping because you're so paralytically shy. I can't 241 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: believe that you actually did this. And Um, for my mom, 242 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that she's allowing herself the warmth and 243 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: the love that she could have. She did a little 244 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: at first when we first started discussing all this. While 245 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: I was writing the book. She actually went to my 246 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: kids school for grandparents Day for the first time, and 247 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: when the kids asked her about her childhood, she told 248 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: her childhood that she grew up in someone else's house, 249 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: that she was the housekeeper, that she didn't have her 250 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: own family and the kid. You know that everybody stood 251 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: up and cheered her and said she was such a 252 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: hero and she had never experienced herself in that way, 253 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: and she was so proud and so like open, and 254 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: that she could experience herself as a survivor not as 255 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: a secret victim was enormous for her and it changed 256 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: her a lot. But I don't know that she understands 257 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: fully that she can do that, that she doesn't have 258 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: to be a secret, and that she doesn't have to 259 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: stay in the shadow like a mushroom. You know, she's 260 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: still so scared, and so I understand her, but she's 261 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: still running in her fear. And my family is still 262 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: a lot in their fear and in the kind of 263 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: behavior that fear creates, and um and a lot of 264 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: that fear is very antisocial. We'll take a short break, 265 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: but when we come back, a newly exposed Sharon Stone 266 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: finally feel seen. You talk about people being afraid of you, 267 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: and and I'm wondering if it's because of what you 268 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: write about your aunt and namesake aunt von You say 269 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: there is such a prejudice against real beauty, especially when 270 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: it comes with real intelligence like it did with my aunt. 271 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that. I mean, you're a very beautiful woman, 272 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: and and you know, Candice Bergen talked about the burdens 273 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: of that with her down Yeah. I love that she 274 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: like ate a whole pumpkin pie and just ate the 275 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: stood in her kitchen, just ate the insides of a 276 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: punkin pie, the whole thing. Um. But but but I 277 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: do sort of wonder if if you could relate to 278 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: to what it was like to be a young Candice 279 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: Bergen um where people have these expectations and really don't 280 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: see you as a full person, but see you unfortunately, 281 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: I mean as just see your beauty and that is it. Well, 282 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, Canadas and I are friends. And she was 283 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: at my house and I have a screening room in 284 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: the basement and she we were downstairs and we're going 285 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: to put on a movie and first you put on 286 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: the TV on the big screen, and of course it 287 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: came up with an old movie that she was in 288 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: which she was young and she looked so gorgeous. I 289 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: was like, WHOA, look at you, and she was like 290 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: making jokes about herself and yes, I see, you know, 291 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: and in her case it introverted her a lot too. 292 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: It really introverted her too, you know, because she had 293 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: made a lot of fun of herself and became a comedian. 294 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: Because when she first tried to act, everyone really attacked her. 295 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: I remember an interview or a review from and I 296 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: forget her name, the biggest interviewer in New York, who 297 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: wrote that Candice Bergen ran the emotional gamut from A 298 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: to B. Right. I remember that they wrote the most 299 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: horrible stuff about her that they would never say about 300 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: another actress. They would never be that, you know, stringently 301 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: intensively attacking and and and sarcastically attacking of an actress, 302 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: you know. And I remember a review that I got 303 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: that I was like a fine chardonnay. I would have 304 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: the shelf life of a fine chardonnay. And I remember 305 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: writing back to the reviewer and saying, you're not much 306 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: of a wine connoisseur, you know, like, get ready, buddy, 307 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: I'm a fine bordeaux. Buckle up, um, Like you just 308 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: don't you don't get it, like you just you're you're 309 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: really you know, you don't know what's happening. Sorry, um. 310 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: And I don't normally respond to critics, but I remember thinking, 311 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: you're just trying to make a cheap shot about me. 312 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: You're not trying to review what I did. You're just 313 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: trying to be an asshole. Um. Yes, I think that 314 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: people really do like to be They like to think 315 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: that you're the You're the You're the end of their witticism. 316 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: You're they're going to use you as you know, target practice. 317 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's awful. It's clear that writing has sort 318 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: of made you feel whole well, and and the reception 319 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: to this book has made you feel seen. What it 320 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: makes me is that I have, for five seconds, the 321 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: control of the narrative about me. Like, no, I don't 322 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: own house in Australia, I don't own a house in 323 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: New Zealand. I don't own one in Middle America. I'm 324 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: not dating Jared Letto, who I've never met. I don't 325 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: you know. It's like all these stories you make up 326 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: about me, It's like, guess what, none of that is 327 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: my story. Like for five minutes, I get to actually 328 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: tell you something that's true about me. And that not 329 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: only that, but I'm just so struck by how emotional 330 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: you got, that that people are seeing the real you 331 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: and they're liking the real you, and they are caring 332 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: about the real you, which you haven't felt in a 333 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: very long time. Well, when people are on the roof 334 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: of your car and ripping the bumper off, and ripping 335 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: the rear view mirror off, and ripping your clothes off 336 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: your body and then making up fake stories about you, 337 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: you don't really feel cared for. You're talking about the paparazzi, 338 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: paparazzi fans. You know, the response to me has been 339 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: quite aggressive. It hasn't been like that we like you 340 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: kind of response. It's been the like we want it, 341 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: like devour you response, or that we have like all 342 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: these really strong opinions about you, but not that we 343 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: see you, or we know you, or we'd like to 344 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: have you over for a grilled cheese. Do you think 345 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: that's because of some of the roles that you've had 346 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 1: that people p pull blur the characters you've played with 347 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: the person you are. And I have to say I 348 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: can take responsibility for some of that too, because after 349 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: I did Basic Instinct, you know, I talked with Cindy Berger, 350 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: my publicist, about like She's like, well, now you're going 351 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: to have to decide how you're going to be in 352 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: public and I was like, well, I don't know what 353 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: that means. And she's like, well, like when you do interviews, 354 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to decide how you're gonna be. And 355 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: I was like, well, what do you mean And she's like, well, 356 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: you know you're very shy and you know you stay 357 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: home and read books. Like what are you gonna do 358 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: in your interviews now? And I thought, you know? And 359 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: she said, well, you know, you're gonna have to have 360 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: a public image because people are going to try to 361 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: attack you, and they're going to try to find things 362 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: that are wrong with you, and they're going to try 363 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: to make you. They're gonna try to look for things 364 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: that you do wrong so they can rip you up. 365 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: You know, so if you make your public image a 366 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: certain way, they'll be less able to trip you up 367 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: because you'll have said I'm either more or wild than this, 368 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: So it won't matter if you you know, make a 369 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: mistake in public or you know, there were all this 370 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: is when you were thirty two years old. We should 371 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: remind people, right, And so I was like, oh, well, 372 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: so like if I get caught kissing someone, then if 373 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm like this, then it won't be a scandal. And 374 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: so there was all this because you have to remember 375 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: this was a period. This is thirty one years ago, 376 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: so this is a period when women on film were 377 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: supposed to sit with their legs crossed at the ankles. 378 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: When there was a bigger scandal when I did that 379 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: scene that I was lifting my arms over my head 380 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: and you could see my arm pits because you weren't 381 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: supposed to show your naked arm pits. This was unfeminine 382 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: that I was lifting my arms over my head and 383 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: continually showing my naked armpits. You know, this was a 384 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: very big can we do that? Because she keep showing 385 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: her armpits. This is why I was so rattled that 386 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we'd seen up my skirt because 387 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: we were like, you can't show your armpits. You know, 388 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: little did I think they were going to see up 389 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 1: my skirt because people were like, we can't see your armpits, 390 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: and I was like, armpits. What's with the armpits? You know? 391 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: Because we were still like you had to keep your 392 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: knees together, you could, you were supposed to cross your 393 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: legs at the ankle. There were a lot of throughout 394 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: my career where we allowed you could cross your legs 395 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: at the knee, but you couldn't put your ankle over 396 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: your knee and cross your legs even in pants. This 397 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: was like women couldn't sit like that in movies. You 398 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: were There were all kinds of things as I was 399 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: coming up as an actress that you could and couldn't 400 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: do as a woman on film. So as things just 401 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: kept being okay because you know, everything had to go 402 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: before a board for ratings, and so when the film 403 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: was coming out, you know, you could only say the 404 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: F word like once in a movie and still get 405 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: an R rating. It's not like now, Like I was 406 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: watching a show two nights ago that had naked men's 407 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: testicles in the sex scenes, and I was so like, 408 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: oh goodness, Like you were seeing everything and I was 409 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: like wow, like you know, like it was such a 410 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: big deal everything As I was growing up in the 411 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: film industry, this is what I was growing through in 412 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: the film industry because everything was super specific what you 413 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: were and were not allowed to do. So we were 414 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: supposed to show our womanhood in very specific ways, like 415 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: it was a certain year when you were allowed to 416 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: not wear panny, those when you were allowed to have 417 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: bare legs, on film. Isn't that crazy? Right? And so 418 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: what happened is this scene got super sensationalized to such 419 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: a degree that it became so much more than it 420 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: ever really was, and it became historically so much more 421 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: than it ever really was that even now people are 422 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 1: talking about it when it doesn't mean anything anymore. You know, 423 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: in this film, I just saw they had erect penises, 424 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: and I was looking at it, like are they fake penises? 425 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: Are the guys really showing erect penises? And this was 426 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: like on HBO, and I was like, and they're making 427 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: still such a big deal about my one tiny thing 428 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: that nobody cares about it anymore, but just because it's 429 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: attached to me, you know, and people wanted because of 430 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: that moment in time too. Yeah, but like, hello, this 431 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: is thirty thirty plus years ago, and people are still like, 432 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about that. It's like, why, why in God's 433 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: name do you want to talk about that? It's like 434 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: engine history and nobody cares anymore. But it's like this 435 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: continual attaching to me because it creates some sort of 436 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: stigmatization of me, And it's like, guess what you're done 437 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: stigmatizing me? This has anything to do with me. This 438 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: is something that you know, you guys turned into a 439 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: giant situation. It's not a giant situation like Knock It Off. 440 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: Do you think it was used to market the movie 441 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: Hello Hello? You had Michael Douglas and you had an 442 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: unknown actress like market it on your star. When you 443 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: you tell me that you think there are a few 444 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: more books than you want about your dad Dash, it 445 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: seems like you have a lot to say, Sharon, about 446 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: a lot of things. So when you start looking at 447 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: the next several years, are you a planner? Are you 448 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: just sort of letting the universe speak to you and 449 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: use you as a vessel for what you're going to 450 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: do next? You know? Or do you miss acting? Do 451 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: you want to do? Uh? You know what? What do 452 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: you want to do? Well? I have to say some 453 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,479 Speaker 1: of the most wonderful women in this business have offered 454 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: me employment and I'm going to be doing some great 455 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: work in acting with some amazing women in this business, 456 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: and so I won't be missing acting. Well, can you 457 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: tell us anything about it? Or if you tell me, 458 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: we have to kill me. Well, you know everything about everybody, 459 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: so you'll probably know soon anyway. But I don't think 460 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: I should announce it yet. That's exciting. I'm going to 461 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: let my employers announce it. Um. But I can say 462 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: that great women are employing me, and I'm really really 463 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: honored by that. Um, I'm so honored by that. I am. 464 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: I can say that cool, great, marvelous, smart, funny, uh, 465 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,719 Speaker 1: amazing women are employing me, and and a bunch of 466 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: them uh. And some men to some men to have 467 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: come through with me, men that I've worked with before, 468 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: and some new men are calling me. And I can 469 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: just say that it's it's turned it's turned itself around. 470 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: It's really turned itself around in a really beautiful way. 471 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: And it's also kind of made the title of your 472 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: book truly resonate the beauty of living twice. I think 473 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: you've probably lived more than twice. Don't you think you're 474 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: you've lived more lifetimes than even that. Well, you know, 475 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm a Buddhist and that's our thing, so of course. UM. 476 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: But what I think now is that I live a 477 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: little bit more with an overview of lives lived and 478 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: intention of living, um, which is that I feel like, 479 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: no matter what I do, my living is more purposeful. 480 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: I see that in you if I may say that, 481 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: I mean, you have many lives within a life, and 482 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: your work with discussing lives with people is so profound, 483 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: and the way that you work and the depth with 484 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: which you work and the goodness with which you've always 485 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: worked is so profound. And I imagine that you feel 486 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: like you live many lives because you live so many 487 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: lives within this life you're living. And your lives that 488 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: you're living right now are so good, and they're so focused, 489 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: and they're so it's so purposeful what you're doing right now. Well, 490 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: that's softly nice, thank you. I imagine you must so 491 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: that you've lived many lives, well, many chapters, right like 492 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:16,959 Speaker 1: every chapter is different and and not all wonderful as 493 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: we know, but important and meaningful and um and and useful. 494 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: Right well, I think at the end, I mean, one 495 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: time I I was working with His Holiness the Dalai 496 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: Lama and we were at we did universities. We were 497 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: I was his like opening act at universities. And that 498 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: was what m I talked about, was that we write 499 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: the book of our life and we carry it with us. 500 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: And certainly not every chapter is an easy read or 501 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: a winner. Sometimes we just feel like those chapters are 502 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: so devastating, but that's what makes a good book. That's 503 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: what makes a book a good read, and that's what 504 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: makes our life a good read because we can turn 505 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: the page when those pages or those chapters are so difficult. 506 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: But we're still going to carry that with us. So 507 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: it's right on, you know, let's keep writing on and 508 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: let's see how our book turns out, and if we're 509 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: proud of the book that we wrote. As life goes 510 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: on and as as you said, we've known each other 511 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: a really long time, and I've watched you write your book, 512 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 1: and I've seen some of the tougher chapters, and you've 513 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: written them so beautifully, Katie, And you've used some of 514 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 1: the really harder chapters two make the world a better place, 515 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: make your world a more profound place and a more 516 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: loving place. And somehow you've managed to bring more love 517 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: into your life. And I want to learn from your 518 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: book how to do that to my life so that 519 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: my next book has more love in it too, Um, 520 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: Because you're such an example. Um, You're such a brave example. 521 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: You know, your your book has so much courage in it, Um, 522 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: And you know, for someone who everybody thought was just perky. 523 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: You know, you have so much guts and so much 524 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: decency and such a drive to keep moving your life 525 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: forward positively, and yet to continue to investigate so many 526 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: difficult things. It's it's just astounding to me. And I 527 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: think that's what we need to do. We need to 528 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: investigate and choose to live positively. And that's the hardest 529 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: thing to do. Um, And that's what I want to 530 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: try to do now that I've looked at the hard parts. 531 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: I want to figure out how to do what you do. 532 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: Investigate positively, find the love, find the the good. You know. 533 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: But I think you do that that Sharon, I do, 534 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: and I think, um, you know your book. Your book 535 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: does that as well. And I think it's just so 536 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: exciting that you know, both of us, we're not letting 537 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: society define who we are or what we are, what 538 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: we can do. And I think I see more and 539 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: more women refusing to accept that, you know, when I 540 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: see women like Reese Witherspoon saying I want to control 541 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: my material, or Carrie Washington and people like that, and 542 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: you and you know saying we have a voice in 543 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: this and we're not just kind of these people waiting 544 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, we we are not waiting for other people 545 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: to bestow upon us opportunities. We're going to create our 546 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: own and um and and that's why I'm so excited 547 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: to see what's next for you, and so excited that 548 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: you've found this way to channel all this incredible um 549 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 1: depth and creativity and and and that you are writing 550 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: your own book. I just think it's awesome and thank 551 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: you for doing this, because I love talking to you 552 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that we've we've connected again. The 553 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: good part of social media, honestly, right, I get so 554 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: many cool things from share and everyone. She'll be like, 555 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: this is so cool, keep sending me d M s 556 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: and UM and I'm just so happy. Congratulations on the 557 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: success of your book and and as I said, on 558 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: telling your own story. Thanks very much. I appreciate it. 559 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: A big thank you to Sharon Stone my Instagram d 560 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: M buddy, whose book is called The Beauty of Living Twice. 561 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: And that does it for our summer book series, ran 562 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: There might be a few bonus surprises though for you 563 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: still to come, but otherwise we're going to take a 564 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: little break to enjoy what's left of the summer. Can 565 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: you believe by the way, how fast it's gone by, 566 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: and prepare for a pretty big fall. My own book, 567 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: which is called Going There because I Really Go There, 568 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: is coming out October, and as you might have heard, 569 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: I'll be going on tour, so come on join me everybody. 570 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: To find out when and where I'm heetted, and to 571 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: grab your tickets, go to ticketmaster dot com slash Going There. 572 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: But if you can't see me in person, you can 573 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: still find me here on the podcast. Starting septem Next Question, 574 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: We'll have a whole new slate of episodes featuring juicy 575 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: interviews with some pretty important people, and even some exclusive 576 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: podcast only stuff around my book who We're gonna get 577 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: pretty personal. Gulp. That's all coming this fall on Next 578 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: Question with Me Katie Couric. Find it and subscribe on 579 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you 580 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: get your favorite shows. So later, enjoy the rest of 581 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: your summer, everyone, Next Question with Katie Kurik is a 582 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Media and Katie Curic Media. 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