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Speaker 1: During this series, We've dive deep into Kobe Bryant's early life.

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Speaker 1: That's what that tape you heard at the top of

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Speaker 1: we know Kobe eventually figured out how to break through

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Speaker 1: season before facing Kobe and the Lakers, and they had

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Speaker 1: lost all eighteen. They were in the midst of the

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Speaker 1: process their controversial plan to tank for a few years,

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Speaker 1: get some high draft picks and presumably some great players,

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Speaker 1: and try to rebuild for another Their head coach, Brett Brown,

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Speaker 1: had spent as much time as anyone in the NBA

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Speaker 1: studying Kobe or preparing to stop Kobe, or at least

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Speaker 1: slow him down, or at least try. Brown knew that

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Speaker 1: Kobe would want to put on a show in Philly,

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Speaker 1: that he would be shooting the ball every chance he got.

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Speaker 1: When Brown was working under Gregg Popovitch with the Antonio Spurs,

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Speaker 1: he and the other coaches would ask themselves the same

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Speaker 1: question every time they had to face Kobe, and they

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Speaker 1: answer it the same way every time. Here's Brown, you

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Speaker 1: know what sort of you prepared to die on? It

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Speaker 1: was always the three point shot, you know, So if

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Speaker 1: you was gonna be you with threes, you know, there

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Speaker 1: wasn't much you could do about that. If you you

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Speaker 1: did what you just said. What what fluor spots did

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Speaker 1: you worry most about? He was incredibly efficient, proficient, pickle

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Speaker 1: word whatever words you want at elbows in in wings

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Speaker 1: like that. We called it the calm Alone line. That

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Speaker 1: was pops fur bitch. And if you just took sort

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Speaker 1: of a line from the elbow of a found line

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Speaker 1: to the corner that die, you know that flaw spot

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Speaker 1: he was incredible at. You remember Karl Malone, right, he

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Speaker 1: was the Hall of Fame power forward for the utah As.

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Speaker 1: One of his bread and butter moves was a little

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Speaker 1: half fadeaway half jumper that he loved to shoot from

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Speaker 1: a few feet inside three point part. He'd usually be

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Speaker 1: open to take that shot off a pick and pop

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Speaker 1: with point guard John Stock. That's what Brown means when

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Speaker 1: he talks about the Karl Malone line draw trapezoid on

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Speaker 1: a basketball court from the corners of the court to

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Speaker 1: the upper corners of the lane. And Malone lived on

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Speaker 1: the lines of that trapezoid. So did Kobe. And when

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Speaker 1: he came to getting a shot off, he might have

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Speaker 1: had the best footwork of any wing player in basketball history.

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Speaker 1: And you know he without getting too technical on the

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Speaker 1: specifics of his footwork, he could he whether it was

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Speaker 1: a forward pivot, whether it was an inside pivot whether

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Speaker 1: he really wanted his dominant pivot foot, which was his

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Speaker 1: left foot in his right foot was free where he

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Speaker 1: could play a little bit of a rocker step type game.

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Speaker 1: You know, those two elbows, those two Malone lines on

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Speaker 1: the right side and the left side. He just was

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Speaker 1: incredibly efficient and dangerous, especially from those spots. Kobe's footwork

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Speaker 1: was impeccable. He was prideful at drilling it. He was

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Speaker 1: adamant on on dictating like this is how I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: play in and a lot of times, Mike, when you

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Speaker 1: as I said, to start six seconds left, you can

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Speaker 1: book it like he's gonna be on one of the

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Speaker 1: elbows or one of those Malone lines that I spoke of,

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Speaker 1: and then at that point you've got your hands full.

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Speaker 1: So Brown and the Sixers picked their poison. They would

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Speaker 1: let Kobe shoot threes, and well this happened. He's also

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Speaker 1: one of their best three one guys. Probably loses off

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Speaker 1: time starting to a game between the two words records

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Speaker 1: on the move, he didn't go they three. The Sixers

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Speaker 1: weren't just a bad team that season. They were a young,

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Speaker 1: inexperienced team, star struck by Kobe and the charged atmosphere

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Speaker 1: inside the Wells Spargo Center. One of their best bench players,

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Speaker 1: for example, was t J McConnell. McConnell has since established

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Speaker 1: himself as one of the best backup point guards in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, but at the time, he was just a

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Speaker 1: rookie and he and his teammates weren't carrying out the

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Speaker 1: defensive strategy that Brown wanted them to play. If we

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Speaker 1: wanted to blitz Kobe, to go double team moment, and

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Speaker 1: I remember calling a time out. Now it's going to

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Speaker 1: teach a you know, are you gonna blitz him or

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Speaker 1: you're gonna kiss him? T J was. T J was starstruck.

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Speaker 1: He Mike, he was starstruck. Like all my guys you

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Speaker 1: don't want his autograph more than they want to defend

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Speaker 1: him well, and he came out and hit like four

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Speaker 1: out of his first five shots. He came out and

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Speaker 1: I think with ten minutes and like forty seconds he

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Speaker 1: was three ft four from threes. It's true and uh

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Speaker 1: and they were all threes, which is what I said.

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Speaker 1: You know, ten minutes ago, if you had what sod

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Speaker 1: you gonna die and it's gonna be the three and

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Speaker 1: h It's true. He came into Philadelphia and just lit

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Speaker 1: up the building. At the start, the building was electric.

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Speaker 1: Bryant another thraity, drained it. Kobe Bryant is fourth three

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Speaker 1: of the game, his first points of the quarter, but

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Speaker 1: he's high man in the game. With sixteen. Kobe couldn't

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Speaker 1: keep up his hot shooting. He finished seven of twenty

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Speaker 1: six from the field and scored twenty points, and the

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Speaker 1: Lakers actually lost. It was the six Ers first victory

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Speaker 1: of the season. I was in the building that night

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Speaker 1: to write a column about Kobe for the Philadelphia Inquirer.

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Speaker 1: The Philly fans had shown Kobe their love and appreciation

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Speaker 1: for him in a way they never had before, but

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Speaker 1: it was clear he wasn't really the same player anymore.

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Speaker 1: He was thirty seven. He moved a little slower, jumped

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Speaker 1: a little lower. His footwork and fundamentals weren't enough to

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Speaker 1: overcome the limitations that age had imposed on him. Plus,

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Speaker 1: the sport was changing, centering itself around offensive efficiency and

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Speaker 1: the three point shot. The Golden State Warriors, with Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry and Clay Thompson, the best shooting backcourt the NBA

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Speaker 1: has ever seen, had won the championship a few months earlier,

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Speaker 1: and they were in the midst of a season in

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Speaker 1: which they'd win a league record seventy three games and

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Speaker 1: reached the finals. Again, the idea that a team should

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Speaker 1: build itself around a player like Kobe, a player who

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Speaker 1: took long two point jumpers, a player who could score

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Speaker 1: from anywhere on the floor and would shoot from even

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Speaker 1: the places where the stats said he shouldn't, was totally

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Speaker 1: passet if you can kind of put Kobe in context

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Speaker 1: in that regard, like Wold, with modern coaches allowed him

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Speaker 1: to play the way that he played. As silly as

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Speaker 1: that sounds, no, I mean, it's it's a good question.

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Speaker 1: And I I've seen a lot over two decades with

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Speaker 1: trends and things in the NBA. You know, the NBA

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Speaker 1: has changed in so so so many ways over that

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Speaker 1: twenty year period that I'm that I'm speaking of, and

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Speaker 1: you know, with the exception of what two years I

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Speaker 1: was in the NBA, every one of Kobe's years and

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at it in the analytics topic

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Speaker 1: that we're speaking of. Um, it's one of the most

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Speaker 1: profound things that have crept into our league. And I

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Speaker 1: think at times, if you're not careful, it really it

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Speaker 1: crushes I think a spirit of a player. It can

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Speaker 1: influence coaches. Uh if if you're not careful, and it

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Speaker 1: did me, you know in in in ways that you

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Speaker 1: look back and it's it's just negative. It doesn't let's

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Speaker 1: score a score. Now. I think that that blanket um

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Speaker 1: comment that I have just made. He can creep into

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Speaker 1: other people, role players. You know, you don't want role

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Speaker 1: players taken long too. Is that are contested, like we

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: all get that. But you know Kobe Bryant's ability to

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Speaker 1: just get buckets and school points and kind of do

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Speaker 1: it when he put his mind to it, he was

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Speaker 1: just off the charts. And after that game, Brown was

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Speaker 1: in his office at the arena, still decompressing, when he

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Speaker 1: heard a knock on his door. It was Alan Lumpkin,

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Speaker 1: who has been the Sixers travel director and team liaison

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Speaker 1: for years. He said, coaching, you have a guest wants

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Speaker 1: to say hello, and and Kobe knocked on the door

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Speaker 1: and came in and I, as I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've known him because of the London Olympic Games, coaching

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Speaker 1: against him. Uh, overseas a few all Star Games and

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Speaker 1: this and that. So there was a you know, a

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Speaker 1: brief history that I had hit with him. And he

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Speaker 1: came in and he knew my son was going to

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Speaker 1: Long Mari in high school and and obviously he he

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Speaker 1: had wished the six as well, and knew well trying

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Speaker 1: to you know, get the program back on track. But

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Speaker 1: I sat with him for forty five minutes and they

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Speaker 1: had to knock on my door and you know, get

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Speaker 1: him out and tell him any of the bus was leaving,

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Speaker 1: they're going back to the hotel. But and so the

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Speaker 1: conversation was all about now what for him? And he

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Speaker 1: just blew me away with his vision of what he

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Speaker 1: wanted his life to be after basketball. He just he

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Speaker 1: was just in the game. He was engaged. It was

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Speaker 1: just a glow and energy about what was going to

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Speaker 1: be for Kobe. And uh, it was a heck of

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Speaker 1: a night. It was a great night. Brett Brown was right,

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Speaker 1: It was a heck of a night. I was there,

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Speaker 1: and the love that Sixers fans and that Philadelphia in

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Speaker 1: general showed to Kobe was something to see. He'd always

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Speaker 1: had a love hate relationship with the city, with a

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Speaker 1: lot more emphasis on the hate, but I'd argue that's

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Speaker 1: only because they were so alike and had so much

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Speaker 1: in common. Kobe wanted to win more than anything. Philly

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Speaker 1: fans want to win more than anything. Yeah. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't really from the city. He was from the Bourbs.

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Speaker 1: He was a Laker blah blah blah. As you can

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Speaker 1: see from this episode, from his early life to the

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Speaker 1: prime of his career to the end of his two

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Speaker 1: decades with the Lakers, Kobe was as tough, as driven,

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Speaker 1: as determined to achieve greatness as anyone who ever played

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. That's exactly the sort of athlete that

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Speaker 1: a city like Philadelphia or Los Angeles or New York

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Speaker 1: or any city in the world would have appreciated and adored. No,

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Speaker 1: Kobe technically wasn't from philip but if he had played

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Speaker 1: in Philly, it would have been time NBA Champions of

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Speaker 1: Six six card from Harvar in high school where he

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Speaker 1: won the title, and not Cofee Well, it would have

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Speaker 1: been just about perfect. I Am Kobe is a production

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Speaker 1: of the Version podcasts in association with I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This season is written and hosted by me Mike Sealsky.

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Speaker 1: It's produced by Jacob Bronstein and directed by Mark Francis.

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Speaker 1: Story editing by Jacob Bronstein, with editorial direction from Scott Waxman, Editing,

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Speaker 1: mixing and sound design by Mark Francis. Stephen Thompkins is

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Speaker 1: They don't want to stand. When I said to Brian,

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Speaker 1: is see I pay my dudes because of taxes. Gotta work,

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Speaker 1: I think and grind ahead of his time. So I'm

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Speaker 1: saying that they made you. Don't tell them you create

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Speaker 1: break we create yourself. Watch me question, watch me to

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Speaker 1: create myself. Exac client times up and create yourself. Say nice,

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Speaker 1: time I can change better, tell them that I made

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Speaker 1: it back home. As I walked through the hearts of

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Speaker 1: the fame, I came from the valley of the Shadow,

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Speaker 1: with death waiting for us. Some spoons don't hold your breath,

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Speaker 1: sat Town, sat trains. But I did it with less.

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Speaker 1: I know one that the being. So there's nothing to guess. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to guess. It's our times. Something we up next.

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Speaker 1: We don't got any regrests. I did it with my

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Speaker 1: soul hands and we never forgets my air. This the

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Speaker 1: reason why my work so damn different to the negatives.

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Speaker 1: I can't listen to see me at the time, you

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Speaker 1: can't listen for where, rebuild, rechape, give me your eye.

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Speaker 1: You got to risk take do it now. When I'm

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Speaker 1: saying why waits, I was saying that they may you

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Speaker 1: will tell them you create yourself the best you Finn

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Speaker 1: watch us by. It's bad that time. You gotta sneak clock,

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Speaker 1: then break clock. Break we create ourselves. Watch me, watch

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Speaker 1: me create myself. Exac climb signs up. Create yourself. Say

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Speaker 1: nice and ain't so hard? Create yourself. You gotta lie

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Speaker 1: for the great minds, but we ain't lying. Tell them

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