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Speaker 1: in the morning Second Date Updates.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm saying this. Okay, but if you're

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, remember those the golden era. Don't even get

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Speaker 1: You do get the sense that people are just over it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So just blow that, dude and move on with

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Speaker 3: fix the pattern, and his name is Roman. He's asked

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Speaker 1: All right, you're going to fix it for all men

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Speaker 3: What was your plan? How did you try to change

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Speaker 2: Well, dating after so hard these days, and a lot

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Speaker 2: You know? He said something that was so simple, but

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Speaker 2: Don't ask for her number, give them your number.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I was worried she was thinking of a movie

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Speaker 1: All right, let's just call it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. Hopefully it's something totally unrelated to

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Speaker 3: Hey, my name is Jeff from the radio show Brook

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Speaker 3: and Jeffrey in the Morning. Is this Haley?

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Speaker 3: This is what I said at the start of the sentence.

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Speaker 3: Jeff from Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning, a radio show.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's not usually something you do on

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Speaker 3: You're like looking ahead, being like, is it going to

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Speaker 4: I mean two of these weddings are absolutely going to

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Speaker 3: This actually makes sense.

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Speaker 4: That's how it made me feel. That's how the whole

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Speaker 3: All right, This is definitely I don't think what we

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Speaker 2: You hey, have gone oh my god, Hi, Hey, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: If I made you feel like I was pushing things.

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Speaker 4: But no, that's the thing, though you weren't. It was

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Speaker 2: I could. I guess I could see where you're coming from.

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Speaker 2: And that would have been okay, pretty sentence.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this would be a whole lot easier

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Speaker 3: Sure, you waded through wedding season, but then after that

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Speaker 3: that could be just as awkward, if not more awkward.

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Speaker 1: That is not helpful, Jeffrey.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going off of her line of logic. At

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, there is no perfect time

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Speaker 1: That is true. There is no such thing as perfect timing.

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Speaker 3: Unless you're talking about the end of March for that

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Speaker 3: Non commitment.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just wish Haley could hear herself, Like,

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Speaker 4: I am, he's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's gonna be so cute when you see him

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Speaker 1: Who cares if he meets your grandma and then you

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Speaker 4: Though? Like, I don't understand my Grandma's gonna freaking love then,

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Speaker 4: Like I know that, and then she's gonna feel bad

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, there's so much pressure.

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Speaker 1: But what if you do work out? Like what if

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Speaker 1: Though? Life is sure? Bring them to all the weddings.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, we're going to ask the question here

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I hate that you're putting so much pressure on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not her weddings at least, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Know what, I just want to see her. So whatever

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Speaker 1: Good, h Haley. That could not have been a better response.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, So at this point, we would like to offer

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Speaker 4: I would love to him again, and so if he's cool,

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Speaker 4: and we'll just take it day by day. I guess the.

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Speaker 1: Only way you can take it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now to put a final stamp and seal on this,

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Speaker 3: can we get Grandma on the phone and get her

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Speaker 4: You'd never get her off the phone.

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Speaker 1: That's a true Grandma. Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Brooking Jeffrey in the morning. Isn't it ironic that wedding

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think she just would rather go

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Speaker 3: It is kind of more fun. Yeah, not to be

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I think he sounds like the type of

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Speaker 3: Leave him by the corner with the losers. Will you

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Speaker 3: hang out with your friends? Yeah, and he'd be cool

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Speaker 3: with that totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In a relationship, jeff I do hope.

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Speaker 3: That we get an update update from these two. Will

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Speaker 3: Who knows when their date will eventually happen, but they

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Speaker 3: we're very excited to hear from them, and you too.

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Speaker 3: If you need help in your love life, email the show.

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Speaker 3: It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning.