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Speaker 1: Thank you for making us part of your day. Jamax

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Speaker 1: off today, our buddy John Middlecoff, former Scout three and

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Speaker 1: out at the Volume, is joining us. So John Middletoff.

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Speaker 1: We've still got a lot of NFL stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But baseball pitchers catchers reporting this week. Dodgers are infuriating people.

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Speaker 1: John Lebron's doing his thing.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 1: I know you're a movie fan. I'm a movie fan.

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Speaker 1: You're a music fan. I'm a music fan.

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Speaker 3: But I want to start the show with this.

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Speaker 1: I don't like my sports stars to end their careers

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Speaker 1: like Elvis or Marlon Brando. I want it to look

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Speaker 1: like Elway or Derek Jeter, like that's I want it

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Speaker 1: to be. I like my movies, my movie stars, my

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Speaker 1: athletes that have a clean, tight ending like Elway and

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Speaker 1: Jeter did it better than anybody. So Lebron last night

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Speaker 1: Lakers beat the MAVs, and Lebron first twenty three points

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Speaker 1: oldest player ever to have a triple double. He's still very,

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Speaker 1: very good. Nobody would dispute that. And I really do

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Speaker 1: think Lebron and Tom Brady their arcs are very similar.

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Speaker 1: Number one is they're the most productive players in the

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Speaker 1: history of their sport. They got to a lot of

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Speaker 1: world championships in basketball or Super Bowls, and they didn't

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Speaker 1: win all of them, but they got to a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. Both are the system, regardless of how good

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Speaker 1: the coach is. I mean, Bruce arians tell of a

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Speaker 1: coach Tom Brady's like Bruce were running my offense. Eric

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Speaker 1: Spolstra amazing coach. He and Lebron but it heads and fourth,

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Speaker 1: they're both Brady and Lebron pioneers in longevity. And I

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Speaker 1: think you know MJ was flashier more beloved and cooler.

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Speaker 1: He's more Beatles, Pandemonium. Lebron's more rolling stones, still touring

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Speaker 1: really really high level for a long time. And mahomes

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Speaker 1: better high lights maybe than Brady. But there's a fundamental

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Speaker 1: truth with Lebron, you saw it last night, and with

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Speaker 1: Brady in his last couple of years. The more obsessed

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Speaker 1: you are by it, the more disciplined you are as

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Speaker 1: a professional athlete, you will be the goat, you will

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Speaker 1: be the most productive, you will dominate the record book.

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Speaker 1: And there's no argument you can say the other guy's cooler.

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Speaker 1: Lebron has all the records and Brady has most of them.

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Speaker 1: But I do wish Lebron would retire after the year.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you the example why, because there's a

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Speaker 1: list that he makes, my list that isn't great. And

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Speaker 1: I've always thought about basketball this way. How do you

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Speaker 1: judge the best player? It can't be scoring average? Do

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Speaker 1: James Harden scored a bunch of points, never the best

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Speaker 1: If there's a tie game with two and a half

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Speaker 1: your stamina, your free throw shooting, your offense, your defense,

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Speaker 1: your distribution. Who are the ten guys in the NBA?

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Speaker 1: Number one would be Jokic. He is the best player

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Speaker 3: Why.

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Speaker 1: I don't like his stamina late in games. He's a

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Speaker 1: Last night, I saw Lebron live this year at Chicago.

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Speaker 1: But I just love the way Lway and Jeter ended it.

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Speaker 1: It's just so tight and clean. And I know that's

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Speaker 1: just subjective, and that's my opinion. I don't want an

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Speaker 4: It's all the other things. There's so many more factors

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Speaker 4: I just think it's like it has to be here.

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Speaker 4: If this goes, then my body's going to go. Then

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Speaker 4: Then the love goes, and then the fund and all

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Speaker 1: So Jeff Passing ESPN a wonderful baseball guy. Why it's

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Speaker 1: a really interesting story today that baseball is in a

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Speaker 1: weird place. There's a renaissance. The attendance is up, the

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Speaker 1: I went about fifteen years I stopped talking baseball. The

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Speaker 1: Why games faster, games quicker. And the Cubs are good,

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Speaker 3: Something needs to be done. This is unfair.

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Speaker 3: The Tush push.

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Speaker 1: And then this year when the Eagles face planted, you

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Speaker 3: Nobody liked it. And that's our nature.

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Speaker 1: We often hate successful people because they're successful. And what's

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Speaker 1: interesting when the Dodgers signed Mookie Bets much better than

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker, when they signed Freddie Freeman, both will be

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Speaker 3: Where was the outrage.

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Speaker 1: Because so it was Kyle Tucker who the Cubs couldn't

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Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back. What's interesting the

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays lost the World Series, so nobody's already bothered that.

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Speaker 1: Vlad Guerrero Junior signed for five hundred million dollars, or

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Speaker 1: that the Blue Jays were the bigger spenders again in

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Speaker 1: they're not stacking titles. Really, Freddy Freeman, why did he

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Speaker 1: They knew Freddy Freeman was great, that Braves couldn't afford him.

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Speaker 3: Dodgers could. Why did Mookie Betts leave Boston?

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Speaker 1: they got Otawni and Bets and Freeman. It's always money.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker really wasn't that expensive relative to those guys.

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Speaker 1: that stings push push outrage this year what evs.

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Speaker 1: Here's an absolute fact data that you can't deny. The

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent they make about the same. The Dodgers

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Speaker 1: Welcome man, it is a Friday. John Middlecoff is in

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Speaker 1: for Jmax. So I just saw this this morning. The

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Speaker 9: Okay, speaking of offensive coaches colin the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: John the NFL years ago, we all complained about European games.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think too.

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Speaker 9: If you told Kyle and McVeagh you had to play

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Speaker 9: You'd wanted Week one? You can prepare during training camp.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure they both had to Australia several days before Wednesday, okay?

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Speaker 3: I think it is John because he is the rarity.

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Speaker 1: He is an offensive coach yet dependent on his coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Most we know defensive coaches are very beholden to their

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Speaker 1: Your Andy's, your Shaan's, you're mcveigh's, you'r Kyle, your Liam Collen.

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Speaker 3: I think Nick.

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Speaker 1: I think the concern with Nick is what does he

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Speaker 3: For success.

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Speaker 9: we all talk about Nick. What about the quarterback though, Colin?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No.

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Speaker 1: There was an article this week in The Ringer that

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Speaker 1: talked about how inefficient and unsuccessful since he started playing quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is throwing the ball over the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field. And I had a source tell me in

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Speaker 1: August this summer in the NFL that and this was

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Speaker 1: somebody very very tight with Harry Roseman and the people

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Speaker 1: in the building, that Jalen's a great kid, that you're

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Speaker 1: not the most.

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Speaker 3: Popular guy, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things where a lot of

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Speaker 1: teams like Philadelphia keep a lot of the stuff under wraps,

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Speaker 1: but people that knew their front office people and knew

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Speaker 1: some of their players, and somebody that was very connected

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Speaker 1: to the entire I mean, you're connected to the Eagles organization.

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Speaker 1: It was somebody that knew the people upstairs. Didn't know Loriie,

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Speaker 1: but knew the people upstairs, knew a couple of the

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Speaker 1: you know, agents dealing with players. And the takeaway I

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Speaker 1: was told is Jalen's not the most popular guy in

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Speaker 1: the room like Brady was popular to the end. Maholmes

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Speaker 1: is Peyton Manning was Jalen's not that guy, He's not.

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is Jalen's not well.

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Speaker 9: Jalen's also a dual threat quarterback that will no longer run,

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Speaker 9: you know.

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Speaker 6: So it's like this isn't exactly working.

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Speaker 9: Okay, Last, but not least, John Harbaugh, who's now in

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Speaker 9: New York as he's the new Giants coach after spending

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Speaker 9: eighteen years with the Ravens. In a recent podcast appearance,

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Speaker 9: Harbass spoke to the end of his time in Baltimore.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a listen, what happened.

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Speaker 10: What happened, what needed to be done, and the opinion

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Speaker 10: of Steve, you know, is what was done. So it's

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Speaker 10: it's cool if we're gonna win four games and won

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Speaker 10: the Super Bowl. After that, I'm pretty sure i'd still

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Speaker 10: be there right now. I don't know, i'd be my guess,

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Speaker 10: but it didn't happen that way, so it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 10: you know. And and again I understand completely the thinking

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Speaker 10: behind it, and you know it's all good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's he was there forever.

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Speaker 3: It's just one of it.

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Speaker 1: It was like that John Harball there feels like Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a great coach.

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Speaker 1: You know he's going to get a job in fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: but it was probably time.

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Speaker 6: I think that's a great comparison.

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Speaker 9: The other thing you noticed is like when Andy went

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Speaker 9: to Kansas City and now John is going to the Giants.

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Speaker 9: There's a positive energy that there's no bitterness. Remember a

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Speaker 9: couple of years ago, Belichick, it was very bitter. It's like, Hill,

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Speaker 9: we got to pivot here. Put a smile on your face.

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Speaker 9: And though you know, John Harbaugh good spirits. I know

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Speaker 9: you're high on the Giants. I think a lot of

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Speaker 9: people by the time the season comes around are gonna

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Speaker 9: be pretty high on the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they'll double triple the I think they're

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Speaker 1: a nine to ten win team in that division because

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Speaker 1: I don't trust Dallas right now, and I don't love

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Speaker 1: the direction Philadelphia is going, and cross your fingers on

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniel's help.

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Speaker 11: Agreed.

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Speaker 3: John Middlekoff with the News.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Strauss House of Strauss, great podcaster, substacker joining us

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Speaker 1: top of the hour on that Steve Kerr, Jonathan kaminga

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Speaker 1: mass He's always so good on big macro topics with

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Speaker 1: the NBA, which he covered for years.

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Speaker 3: So listen.

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Speaker 1: This happens every year NFL season ends, baseball hasn't started,

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Speaker 1: and we start criticizing the NBA and the NBA is terrible.

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Speaker 1: When the playoffs show up, the NBA will.

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Speaker 3: Be very, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Even the lad David Stern used to admit, nobody really

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Speaker 1: watches us in the regular season. But there are some

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Speaker 1: things with the NBA that I don't think are great.

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Speaker 1: I've said the game is too competitive, too many three

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Speaker 1: point shots. I don't love that. I would change the

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Speaker 1: three point arc. That'll never happen, but I would do it.

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Speaker 1: I think the game's gotten very repetitive and You've made

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Speaker 1: all these great athletes, all three point shooters. But this

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Speaker 1: week Bill Simmons this week, and Bill's like an NBA

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Speaker 1: guy even he questioned Adam Silver's leadership on the tanking stuff.

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Speaker 3: On the state of the league.

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Speaker 12: There's like huge fundamental issues with the league. The regular

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Speaker 12: season has real issues. It's too long, Guys are getting

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Speaker 12: hurt too much. Everybody is making so much money. The

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Speaker 12: only reason to have eighty two games is because you

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Speaker 12: make money from it. Everything they're doing, they're not serving

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Speaker 12: the larger picture of what do fans want. How do

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Speaker 12: we keep our players healthy? How do we have a

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Speaker 12: competitive season from start to finish? How do we avoid

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Speaker 12: over one fourth of our league not giving it for

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Speaker 12: the last two months?

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Speaker 6: How do we fix this?

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Speaker 12: And it's the first time I've really wondered, like, is

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Speaker 12: do we have the right guy running the league?

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Speaker 1: So I used to have David Stern on twice a

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Speaker 1: year when I was at ESPN, and we would go

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Speaker 1: back and forth. My favorite interview of the year, I've

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Speaker 1: had Adam Silver on once on this network. It's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite interviews. Really smart guys. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: just started reading I'm almost finished with a book called

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Speaker 1: The Bookie. Artman Terrast wrote a book and he talks

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Speaker 1: about sitting down with David Stern and talking about the

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Speaker 1: gambling stuff before it exploded. And I think Adam's really,

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Speaker 1: really bright. But there's a difference between David Stern. You

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Speaker 1: did not get this level of tanking. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: recently the Jazz and the Pacers NBA had to find him.

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Speaker 1: And I think David Stern was loud and emotional, could

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Speaker 1: be verbally abusive, and was threatening. And I've heard that

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Speaker 1: from multiple sources. That's not my opinion. I've heard that

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Speaker 1: from broadcast executives who were in the room with him.

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Speaker 1: He was a daunting presence. Short guy, but a daunting presence,

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Speaker 1: very loud, very emotional, and really had no problem getting

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Speaker 1: on the phone with a GM and a coach and

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Speaker 1: airing it out even a player.

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Speaker 3: He didn't care.

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Speaker 1: And in fairness, Stern took over a wobbly league and

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Speaker 1: made it a great league, so he had a real

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Speaker 1: battle on his hands. Adam Silver took over a very successful,

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Speaker 1: rich league. But Adam Silver is not the yell, scream

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Speaker 1: into a phone guy. David Stern did not care about

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Speaker 1: how what you thought of him, and frankly, he didn't

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Speaker 1: care about the feelings. The play are paid to play play.

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver was quoted two years ago saying, quote, my

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Speaker 1: players are truly unhappy. Okay, So I think the one

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Speaker 1: criticism of Adam Silver that is fair because I think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he got them a lot of money. They're

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Speaker 1: on multiple networks. I like the NBA Cup early. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not the biggest thing in the world, but I

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Speaker 1: like the swing, and there's a lot of things he's

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Speaker 1: done well he likes. I don't necessarily love it. He

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Speaker 1: likes the parody. Everybody can win. David Stern was much

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Speaker 1: more comfortable with three or four teams separating. He was

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Speaker 1: much more comfortable.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why.

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Speaker 1: Should the Celtics, the Knicks, the Sixers and the Lakers

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Speaker 1: have to play down to Portland's economy like listeners, they separate,

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Speaker 1: they separate, whatever. But I think the bigger difference is

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Speaker 1: any of you had a dad or a step dad,

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Speaker 1: step parent. They're not biological, right, Adam Silver isn't officially

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Speaker 1: related to players, But there's that step dad that you'd

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Speaker 1: either never want to disappoint or never want to piss off.

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Speaker 1: And that was David Stern, like you knew if you

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Speaker 1: just didn't play because you weren't in the mood, David

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Speaker 1: Stern would call you directly and be abusive to your GM,

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Speaker 1: to your coach. People feared David Stern, and I know

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Speaker 1: two executives that were in meetings multiple times with him.

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Speaker 3: He was rough.

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Speaker 1: That's not Adam Silver And so I think what happens

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Speaker 1: is is when you are a boss or a leader,

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Speaker 1: if there's not five or ten percent, like yeah, he

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Speaker 1: would fire me in a second, because I've seen what

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Speaker 1: these other people.

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Speaker 3: People take advantage of you.

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Speaker 1: I mean the load management now, the tanking is really

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you do other than fines and suspensions.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you do with tanking.

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Speaker 1: They've been doing it forever, but they did it a

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Speaker 1: lot less with David Stern because I think they people

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Speaker 1: feared David Stern. The load management so out of control.

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Speaker 1: Now people did it on an opening night, people are

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Speaker 1: doing it going.

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Speaker 3: Into the All Star break.

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Speaker 1: I mean, David Stern was a commissioner for thirty plus years.

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Speaker 1: There were only eight different champions and he didn't care.

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Speaker 1: And you loved those teams. You didn't have to live

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Speaker 1: in Chicago to love the Bulls. You didn't have to

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Speaker 1: live in La to love Kobe and shack Right. You

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Speaker 1: didn't have to live in the town to be a

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Speaker 1: fan of Bird and McHale or Magic and Korea. You

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Speaker 1: didn't have to live in the town now outside of

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Speaker 1: the town with a champion's crowned man. So I guess

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Speaker 1: to wrap a bow on this, and Ethan and I

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Speaker 1: will talk about this. I think players take advantage of Silver.

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Speaker 1: He's not as loud. People can say what they want

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Speaker 1: about Trump, that people fear Trump. I mean, people can

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Speaker 1: diametrically be opposed to him in Congress. He's threatening, won't

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Speaker 1: go through half of them or ninety percent of them.

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Speaker 1: But there is something to the dogma and the intensity

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Speaker 1: and the volume of David stern Is. People didn't take

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Speaker 1: advantage of him very often, and if they did, they

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Speaker 1: heard it. And I think I think these load management

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Speaker 1: is a massive problem. The other night, Luca Lebron and

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves don't play against the Spurs in just nonsense.

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Speaker 1: What if a kid, What if a kid from Victorville

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Speaker 1: or Palmdale goes to one game of year, that's the

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Speaker 1: mean I grew up in a small town. I went

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Speaker 1: to like one NBA game every four years. If Gus

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Speaker 1: Williams Downtown, Freddie Brown and Jack Sigma, whoever it was

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Speaker 1: as a kid, weren't available, it's not the same game,

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Speaker 1: it's not the same experience. Dynasties and domination. David Stern

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Speaker 1: didn't care. Life's not fair, Life's not even Why should

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Speaker 1: the NBA be even live in Chicago?

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Speaker 1: Dion Sanders and again his son was there very very briefly.

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Speaker 3: That could be part of it.

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Speaker 1: It gets personal, gets emotional, but he took kind of

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Speaker 6: I'm just not a fan of the coach.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 6: I'll never be a of the coach. I love the school.

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Speaker 11: pick on Joe Gibbs. The worst coach I've ever had

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Speaker 11: was Joe Gibbs, so me picking on Deon Sanders is nothing.

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Speaker 11: I just don't like the way he coaches football. I

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Speaker 11: don't think he's very bright. I don't think he can

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Speaker 11: manage a game. I think there's a lot of flash,

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Speaker 11: but I think there's no substance.

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Gibbs was pretty good in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: but I do think the last thing he said the

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Speaker 1: way I look at Dion Sanders. So he's two and

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Speaker 1: eight against ranked opponents at Colorado, and one of those

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Speaker 1: is the first game TCU. They were ranked. They ended

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Speaker 1: up being really really bad TCU team. So he's beaten

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Speaker 1: really one legitimate ranked team. Now he took over an

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Speaker 1: irrelevant program, he's made them relevant. They sell out all

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Speaker 1: their games, I have friends in the family that go

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Speaker 1: to Colorado. He's made Colorado football fun and relevant and

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Speaker 1: talked about. And there's no question but Kurt Signetti is

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Speaker 1: an elite coach because Kurt Signetti goes to Indiana and

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Speaker 1: by year two they've got elite O lines and D lines.

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Speaker 1: Their receivers are good, their D line has like really

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Speaker 1: big time pass rushers. Forget the fact that Colorado doesn't

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Speaker 1: beat ranked teams. They don't really beat anybody. We're three

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Speaker 1: years into the Deon Sanders experiment and they're in sixteen

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Speaker 1: and twenty one. That's tied for ninety fourth. They can't

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Speaker 1: run the football, they can't stop the run. All the

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Speaker 1: substance stuff, all the stuff. The trenches were Indiana and Signetti.

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Speaker 1: And they've got more money, yes, than Colorado, but it's

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Speaker 1: the way Signetti built it. Now, Signetti's first year at

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Speaker 1: Colorado Indiana, it's creampuff schedule. There's a lot of fraud.

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Speaker 1: The good teams they played, they couldn't move the ball.

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Speaker 1: They get Mendoza, they get more money in Indiana's a

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Speaker 1: real football team. I've never felt that Colorado's a real

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Speaker 1: football team. I butt into them, like everybody when they

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Speaker 1: beat tu TCU ended up being awful. So I think

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Speaker 1: Mario Christobal, what did he do at Miami? The trenches,

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Speaker 1: O line D line play the trun did Harbaugh do

685
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Speaker 1: at Michigan? He didn't have great quarterbacks for years? O

686
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Speaker 1: line D line. A lot of what Dion does is

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Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, even his son, the legendary draft room,

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Speaker 1: it's a little finn on substance. You get a lot

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Speaker 1: of flash Heisman winner, good perimeter players. They can't run

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Speaker 1: the ball, they can't stop the run. Now, in fairness,

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Speaker 1: Colorado still doesn't have a lot of money, though more

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Speaker 1: has been generated because of Dion, and they get on

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Speaker 1: TV a lot. They are talked about, we have to

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Speaker 1: be fair. Dion does just like when he was on

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Speaker 1: the NFL network. He is jumps off the TV screen.

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Speaker 1: But I mean last year they were the worst team

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Speaker 1: in the country. Three years in worst team in the

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Speaker 1: country in stopping the run. Deon's about motivation, he's about aura,

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Speaker 1: He's a little bit about shtick. You know, I never

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Speaker 1: felt when he was an NFL analyst, I was getting

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Speaker 1: the most re arched points on football, but he delivered

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Speaker 1: them in a very entertaining way, and I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel it's the same thing with Colorado football. It's entertaining,

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Speaker 1: the games are sold out, it's fun when they're on television.

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Speaker 3: I watch him I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Before, So I think he is delivered on largely what

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Speaker 1: Colorado wanted. We're going into nil. We got to raise

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Speaker 1: some money, we got to be relevant, we gotta be fun.

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely delivered on that. Is he a great in

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Speaker 1: game coach. I don't think he's great. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's as bad as his critics say, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's great. A couple of times he's done things

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do laden games. But whatever, it's a coach.

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Speaker 1: But I think Dion the guy, even when he was

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Speaker 1: a great football player, he didn't like to defend the run,

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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't like to tackle.

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Speaker 3: He was great defending. He return a punt.

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Speaker 1: So I think Dion has lived up to what Dion is.

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Speaker 1: And I think you become your personalit. Jim harbll is

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Speaker 1: a tough his teams are tough. Mike Vrabel's a tough guy,

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Speaker 1: his teams are tough. Ben Johnson is a really detailed.

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Speaker 3: Smart guy.

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Speaker 1: Go look at the Bears offense very cleuch, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Dion his motivation and aura and a

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Speaker 1: little stick in, big personality and that's what Colorado football is.

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Speaker 1: Another speaking in Colorado, Travis Hunter. Liam Cohen was on

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Speaker 1: our show door of Super Bowl. We did a great

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Speaker 1: job with the Jacks, I mean, really good offensive coach.

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Speaker 1: And you know it was a year ago in the

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Speaker 1: draft we were talking about Travis Hunter. And what's really

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Speaker 1: fascinating about Travis Hunter all year long?

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Speaker 3: In seven games, one.

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Speaker 1: Touchdown in twenty eight catches and a big chunk of

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Speaker 1: his yards came against one team.

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Speaker 3: They were getting nailed. They were getting.

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Speaker 1: Crushed by the Rams, and he put up some big

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Speaker 1: numbers late. That was his big game when he was

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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty offense and defense. He didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: in that Rams game. He was like eighty five to

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Speaker 1: fifteen offense and he was productive. Now it was garbage

741
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Speaker 1: time whatever, But in his first six games he was

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Speaker 1: a non factor. In fact, what was fascinating when he

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Speaker 1: got hurt and left is when the Jags got hot

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Speaker 1: because they went and got a real receiver who has

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Speaker 1: a specific skill. And this has always been my thing

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Speaker 1: on Travis Hunter. Put him on offense, make him a

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Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. There's not enough time in the

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Speaker 1: day for the coaching.

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Speaker 3: Staff to worry about you.

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Speaker 1: And the minute he got hurt and the Jags staff

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Speaker 1: stopped worrying about making sure Travis Hunter, who they moved

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Speaker 1: up to draft, making sure it worked. The minute he

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Speaker 1: got hurt, the team got red hot and they went

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Speaker 1: and got a guy Jacoby Myers, who doesn't run a

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Speaker 1: four to two five, who is not in a world

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Speaker 1: class lead athlete. He runs really good routes and has

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Speaker 1: really good hands. I mean, the best receiver in the

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Speaker 1: NFL right now is JSN. He is not big, he's

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Speaker 1: not super fast, he is a great route runner. I

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Speaker 1: like my pro athletes to be specifically great at things,

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Speaker 1: even in the NBA, if you're not a great score

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Speaker 1: Marcus Smart had a hell of a career being an

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Speaker 1: elite defender. Tony Allen elite defender, like I always worry about, Hey,

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Speaker 1: this guy is in high school. In college, elite athleticism

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Speaker 1: carries the day, especially in high school and lower division football.

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Speaker 1: When you get to higher division football. LSU playing Bamma

767
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Speaker 1: five years ago, next year Ohio State playing you know

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Speaker 1: the tough teams on their schedule.

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Speaker 3: You got to get me. I like my guys to

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Speaker 3: have specific skills.

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Speaker 1: So it's just interesting when Liam Cohen they're talking this offseason, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how are we going to get this thing with Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 1: He's on track, he's coming back. What is he specifically

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Speaker 1: great out? Is he a great route runner? Does he

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Speaker 1: have great hands? I know he's fast, I mean he

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Speaker 1: and I know he is relentless, and I know he

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Speaker 1: can really move.

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Speaker 3: They got good when he didn't play

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Speaker 1: M