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Speaker 1: much media? What is uh? Ship? Finally got some tough guys.

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Speaker 2: Can I can I give you some love here from

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Speaker 2: all the you know, after years of hate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I feel like we're gonna have hash

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Speaker 3: But thank you for.

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Speaker 1: Doing this is nice to see. How are you travel? Okay? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Fine, dude, to get the get the room service. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it's really really good. Want me, uh closest to the TV.

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Speaker 4: It's a piece of ship. It's comfortable. This is weird, right,

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Speaker 4: This is cool because you want some wrestling mags from

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Speaker 4: the eighties, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Luke, take us in when you want.

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Speaker 1: Five four three two one. Hey.

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Speaker 4: He's the pride of Omaha, Nebraska, a UFC light heavyweight,

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Speaker 4: top ranked one at that, an analyst, a whole lot more.

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Speaker 4: He's also our next guest right here on Room Service Diaries,

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Speaker 4: Brian Campbell Luke Thomas alongside the legendary Anthony Smith.

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Speaker 1: Legendary feels good Brian Campbell. Friend, there's no right away.

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Speaker 1: He just gets into it right away.

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Speaker 3: It's a little tense on this side.

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Speaker 1: I woke up. I woke up this morning and shows violence.

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Speaker 2: Well, Anthony Smith, I can only say, uh, I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: to be one of his favorite fighters, and you know

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Speaker 2: he doesn't give that same respect to my favorite fighters

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Speaker 2: like you Wanna and chyenneyes I do.

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Speaker 1: I give him all the respects.

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe this, maybe I took this a

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Speaker 2: little bit too far, but we have big respect for you.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you are a fantastic podcaster and

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Speaker 2: analyst and I don't say that lightly, so welcome to

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Speaker 5: Well, I feel like just walking into someone's house and

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Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta be tame. Okay, I'm house trained.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I appreciate that he cleans up.

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Speaker 4: Well 's right, that's right. Who dresses you when you

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Speaker 4: do UFC stuff? My wife?

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Speaker 5: My wife, Yeah, interesting, she usually picks out all the

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Speaker 3: They have to just a belt size.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew that was I knew that was coming.

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Speaker 4: You can't make a DC comment these days without talking.

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Speaker 3: He's got very happy and he's very good at what

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Speaker 4: We're here for well, this will come out afterwards. We're

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Speaker 1: Totally by accident.

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Speaker 5: I had no intention of doing any analyst work or

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Speaker 2: Yes, when reality is Derek Lewis in Albany against schureier

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Speaker 3: But what was my actual point?

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Speaker 2: The reality is Anthony Smith represents BC what you're all about,

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Speaker 2: How are you where you are today, because it's all

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be a charmed life if you didn't have

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Speaker 4: So he really he's the one who kind of developed

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Speaker 5: And I was it wasn't There wasn't I wasn't getting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as media guys, we learned it, like like getting

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Speaker 3: Turned out those edibles aren't the ship, right.

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Speaker 5: You will do things that are just so embarrassing when

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Speaker 4: That just enough to keep you in there. Like damn

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Speaker 1: Christ, what's the worst cut your hat? Oh? Tiago Santos

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Speaker 5: Well, it was everything I could do to get to

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Speaker 2: So if it was just like barbaric man, and I

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Speaker 1: But oh yeah, and mine aren't the worst I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: They're they're like if I had a ten minute walk

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Speaker 3: So here's a layman's question.

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Speaker 5: I'll I'll quit this fighting thing. I'll go get a

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Speaker 5: So at that point it was to the point where

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Speaker 3: Look, we don't know shit about what they go through mentally.

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Speaker 2: I know any fighter, and sometimes fighters can go too

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Speaker 2: what you guys.

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Speaker 3: For some people, it's just a normal fight week. That's

440
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Speaker 3: what we do.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, man, I mean, I mean, look, I'm

442
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Speaker 2: pretty miserable to deal with if I don't get a

443
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Speaker 2: good night's sleeping.

444
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Speaker 4: Now, what's the worst way cut you've ever seen seen

445
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Speaker 4: where someone's still won? You're just like, Wow, I cannot

446
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Speaker 4: fucking believe they did that. I know that's oddly specific.

447
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Speaker 1: It is that is.

448
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Speaker 5: I don't know if I could even answer that, because

449
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,440
Speaker 5: now I don't really cut. You know who cuts a

450
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Speaker 5: lot of weight that no one really realizes. I don't

451
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Speaker 5: even know. He'll probably Bess say this. Tim means, Tim

452
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,760
Speaker 5: means cuts a lot of weight. He's got a lanky frame. Yeah,

453
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 5: Tim means cuts hard to get seventy and that I

454
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time with him that last cut

455
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Speaker 5: with Thiago, And I mean he was with me though

456
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Speaker 5: pretty much the whole time. I mean, it took him

457
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Speaker 5: just as long as it took me.

458
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Speaker 1: Jesus.

459
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a heavy cut, but you never see him.

460
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Speaker 5: He never looks bad like I don't. He's tougher that

461
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Speaker 5: I'm for sure. Well, I was gonna say, I don't.

462
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Speaker 1: Recall him being a chronic weight misser, No, that from

463
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Speaker 1: what I can remember.

464
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Speaker 5: No, And he's not like crazy muscular, so that's probably

465
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Speaker 5: part of his problem is he doesn't have a bunch

466
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Speaker 5: of muscle mass that's holding a lot of water that

467
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Speaker 5: just shakes it dustin. Jacoby cuts pretty hard too, but

468
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 5: it's really easy for him, Like he I've never seen

469
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Speaker 5: a human sweat like that. I've seen. I've seen Jacoby

470
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Speaker 5: cut seven pounds in an hour like it's nothing, Jesus,

471
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Speaker 5: I've seen like four like not really working hard either,

472
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Speaker 5: Like he'll just hit mets wear sweatpants and it's just shaking.

473
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Speaker 1: And some people just got it. You know, it is

474
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Speaker 1: what it is, all right.

475
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Speaker 4: So you go to two o five and your first

476
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Speaker 4: fight at two of five was which one Rashan Rashad.

477
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Speaker 1: But that was a short fight.

478
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so sure you felt better, but it went your

479
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 4: way pretty much the entire way. Then you had the

480
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Speaker 4: showgun fight. Through two of those, it must have dawned

481
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Speaker 4: on you like, oh wow, like everything about this is

482
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Speaker 4: way better.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is different. I was able to see.

484
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Speaker 3: You must have felt like the striker.

485
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Speaker 5: Finally, well, I was able to spend training camps actually

486
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Speaker 5: training and not in fat camp. So it wasn't I

487
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 5: was able to do a lot anytime that I was

488
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Speaker 5: anytime that I'm skill building, now I would be running

489
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Speaker 5: or doing conditioning or doing weight cutting stuff instead of

490
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Speaker 5: working on a specific skill or trying to sharpen up

491
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Speaker 5: my job. So I was able to get more time

492
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Speaker 5: just skill building and getting better and not so much

493
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Speaker 5: trying to get skinnier. So that made a big difference.

494
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Speaker 5: And then I think just mentally being clear and not

495
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 5: like I spent an entire training camp, Like you check

496
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Speaker 5: your weight in the morning, then you check it in

497
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 5: the afternoon, you check it before bed, you go back

498
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 5: to sleep, and like, oh, well you only lost two

499
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 5: pounds overnight, so then you stress in about it the

500
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 5: whole time, so you're never Actually I only had about

501
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 5: twelve hours or eighteen hours to like really focus on

502
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Speaker 5: my opponent. So it was like once I got on

503
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 5: the scale, like okay, now I can worry about the fight.

504
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 5: But it wasn't until I got I made the weight

505
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 5: that I could worry about the fight. So now it

506
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Speaker 5: was able to spend entire training camps focused on the

507
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Speaker 5: actual person and not my weight cut.

508
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Speaker 3: It has to make a monster difference. Usually saw that right,

509
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Speaker 3: you know.

510
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Speaker 4: You are now you do all of your camps at

511
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Speaker 4: Factory X where what's your what is your sense of

512
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Speaker 4: what is your affiliation these days?

513
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: So I did.

514
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Speaker 5: I've done all of them, starting with the Andrew Sanchez

515
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 5: fight up until the last one, which I did mostly

516
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Speaker 5: mostly at home just because circumstance. But yeah, I've Benefactory

517
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Speaker 5: X since twenty seventeen, a usure plan.

518
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Speaker 1: To go back.

519
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so was that a level up partnership as well?

520
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

521
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Speaker 5: Mark had a much different style, a way different style

522
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Speaker 5: than I was used to. I've always kind of been

523
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 5: the grinder, really gritty, ugly type of fighter where he

524
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 5: just kind of forced the action and make it ugly.

525
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Speaker 5: And that's where I kind of breathed that, like lived

526
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Speaker 5: and breathed. Mark is very technical and really clean, like

527
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Speaker 5: think of a like a I don't know, a braind

528
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Speaker 5: and Roy Vell. You know, maybe not so much Brainer

529
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Speaker 5: because he's not as clean, but he's very very It's

530
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 5: less about like power and more about volumes. Mark is

531
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Speaker 5: very volume heavy. A lot of stand switches, a lot

532
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 5: of this weekend exactly. That's that's Mark's style, So it's

533
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 5: not my style, never has been. So Mark did a

534
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Speaker 5: good job without trying to change who I already was

535
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 5: and adding in just a new set of skills, and

536
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Speaker 5: I think that helped a lot. And he's a great mentor,

537
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 5: like he's a he's a good leader, So it takes

538
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Speaker 5: a lot of the work out of it. For like

539
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 5: I don't have to worry about watching film or game

540
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 5: planning or I just do what I'm told, And he's

541
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Speaker 5: good at telling people what to do.

542
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Speaker 4: Are there any moments along your career because it's been

543
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 4: so like it's not a surprise. I don't think that's

544
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 4: quite right. But like you know this, we talked about

545
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 4: this on the show. You see guys like Habib coming

546
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 4: and everything about their success feels inevitable.

547
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: John Jones Like it's just I mean.

548
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 4: The storm is coming. You can just find a place

549
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: to get rained on or not right, But yours was.

550
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 4: I don't think it was ever preordained in that way.

551
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Speaker 4: So in thinking of it that way, whether moments early

552
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Speaker 4: in your career looking back where you're like, why the

553
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: fuck was I doing it this way? Besides the weight

554
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 4: in terms of like where to be, what camp you

555
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 4: should have been in, most how to pick.

556
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Speaker 1: Fights, all that stuff, most of it, most of it.

557
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Speaker 5: I did everything the wrong way everything, Like I didn't

558
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 5: seek out, I don't know, high level training early enough.

559
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 5: I think what I had for a long time was perfect.

560
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 5: I had a crazy room with guys for a long

561
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 5: time was Jason Brills, Ryan Jensen, Alexander Jake, and Joe Ellenberger.

562
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 5: Like it was a good it was a good room.

563
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 5: But I think once I outgrew that, I didn't go

564
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 5: anywhere else fast enough, and those guys were like retiring

565
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 5: and they were moving around and whatever. But I think

566
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 5: I stuck around too long close to home obviously the

567
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 5: way cut stuff. I took a lot of really bad

568
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 5: fights early. I was just in situations I shouldn't have

569
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 5: been in, just personal life wise, and made a lot

570
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 5: of bad I mean, I fucked it all up the

571
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 5: whole time. Like I think I made every wrong decision

572
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 5: you can make in the sport.

573
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Speaker 3: Along the way.

574
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Speaker 2: And I think we can relate to stuff like this

575
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Speaker 2: on the just from the standpoint of grinding and trying

576
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: to climb financially, Like how hard is it when you're

577
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 2: kind of bouncing around promoting.

578
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 3: You know you had you weren't.

579
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Speaker 2: Strike force, You're in belat or you're trying to catch

580
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: on you how a UFC fight or how close were

581
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: you literally to the point where like I can't afford

582
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: to keep this dream alive.

583
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Speaker 5: All the time. I mean I couldn't afford it until

584
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Speaker 5: I could. I mean it was you know, I I

585
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 5: just and myself into debt and if it wasn't for

586
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 5: my wife. Again, like, there's a lot of people that

587
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 5: have come in and out of my life that have

588
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 5: really played like an instrumental part of my success, and

589
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 5: my wife is one of them. When I when I

590
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 5: met her, I wasn't working. I was just it was

591
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 5: just me I had to take care of so, like

592
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 5: the little shit money I was making on the regional

593
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 5: scene was okay. And then I met her and she

594
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Speaker 5: essentially took care of me for like two or three

595
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 5: years while like while I was grinding. And then I

596
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 5: got signed to the UFC, and of course in my head,

597
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 5: I'm like I made it like I'm gonna be okay now,

598
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 5: and then I get cut right away. So then I

599
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 5: had to get a job. So I was a concrete

600
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 5: finisher up until the Elvis me TOPSIC five. When I

601
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 5: got my first bonus, I was working forty or fifty

602
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: hours a week, pooring concrete and training full time.

603
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: Look this is my guy right here.

604
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is You've been wrong for it.

605
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: I've been wrong on this.

606
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: You know.

607
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Now it's time for you to come clean on Youana,

608
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: just on the flipay, because you've been wrong this whole time.

609
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the spaghetti story, you guys? Ever

610
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: heard me tell that? No? I don't think so.

611
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Speaker 5: Uh So, my wife was pregnant with our first kid.

612
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 5: So this was two thousand and twenty eleven, like October

613
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 5: of twenty eleven, and it was just her and I

614
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 5: and she's eight months pregnant. We're about to have this baby.

615
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 5: And I broke, like broke broke, and I was getting

616
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 5: ready to fight God that Russian, that chechen dude, that was.

617
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Speaker 3: His name, Oh RUMs On Cadio.

618
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah no, no, his like his best friend though

619
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know anyways. Anyways, so some

620
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 5: Russian cat and strike Force and we're like so broke,

621
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Speaker 5: and we like we're hungry, like but we don't have

622
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Speaker 5: any money, so we like to grounge up all this

623
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Speaker 5: change and stuff. And I got out of our car

624
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 5: cup holders and in the house, and like, we're gonna

625
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 5: use this change to go get spaghetti.

626
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Speaker 1: So we go to the grocery store.

627
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Speaker 5: It's like ten o'clock at night, and I am so embarrassed,

628
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 5: like feeling so down in such in a terrible place

629
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Speaker 5: that I'm like, cause I'm like, I have this pregnant

630
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 5: girl with me that I'm supposed to be taking care

631
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 5: of it. We can't even afford to eat, Like we're

632
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 5: gonna buy spaghetti with change. I was so embarrassed that

633
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 5: I couldn't go in with there. I sent her into

634
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: the grocery store eight months pregnant to buy spaghett would change.

635
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 5: I remember sitting in the car, like I gotta fucking

636
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 5: figure this out, Like I gotta figure this out. I gotta,

637
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 5: I gotta make this work. So that's like my I'll

638
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 5: never go back to like buying spaghetti wouldchange, That'll never happen.

639
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 5: And that's I think that's a lot of the reason

640
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 5: I do the things that I do now.

641
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 4: And you were how old when that happened roughly in

642
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 4: twenty two. Wow, that is a sobering moment.

643
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: Man.

644
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pat Barry had a similar story with remember his fight.

645
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: I think it was the fight with chech Congo. He

646
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 4: went into that fight. I could be getting this wrong,

647
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: but I remember what was so big about it was

648
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 4: that he had gotten two bonuses at the time when

649
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: they were breaking them out performance and ko. So I

650
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: think he got both of those bonuses at the time

651
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: both were seventy, so that would have been one forty

652
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: and I think he made like another thirty on top

653
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: something like that. So he got paid that night, but

654
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 4: he had to do that camp on ketchup and rice?

655
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Wow?

656
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: Was that the story where he was he was happy

657
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 5: to get to fight week because he got them and yes,

658
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 5: like he didn't have any money so used to yes, correct,

659
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: because they used to give it to us, and.

660
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: And all he could afford was he had a bottle

661
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 4: of ketchup in the house and he had a bag

662
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: of rice.

663
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: He didn't make the rice. Wow.

664
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: Can you imagine trying to fuel yourself for a fight

665
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: camp with a lot of worn stars and all that

666
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: ship and corn syrup?

667
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: Excuse me, like it's just it's uh, it's.

668
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: I relate, like I've been There were times I've been

669
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: on TV not getting paid for it, eligible for the

670
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: food pantry in my town, and you're like, you know,

671
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: my life's just like just just you know, swallow your

672
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: pride and let's go do this is where we are

673
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: right now, you know what I mean. You're like, I

674
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that.

675
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: And you have to teach the most embarrassing moment in

676
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: my life.

677
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you have to teach yourself to

678
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: to take that l when it's time and learn from it.

679
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: But man, the people that make it more often than not, Man,

680
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: they had to They had to go through hell to

681
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: make it. So I can appreciate where you are. But

682
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: I you know, it's it's funny just as much as

683
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: it's a great story that you worked your way into

684
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: a title opportunity, which you did, I don't I give

685
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: you almost more respect for after that, suffering some fairly

686
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: devastating losses against killers and being at an age at

687
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: a certain point of your career you could have just

688
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: been a one hit wonder and kind of went away.

689
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: But maybe it's the story of your career.

690
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: You'd never stopped trying to get better and you've you've

691
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: gotten to a point to where you are now that okay,

692
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: you still trade wins and losses time to time, but

693
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: like you're you know, you're two three wins away from

694
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: being right back there right now, so it's like you've

695
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: never gone away.

696
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: Staying. Staying has got to be even harder than getting

697
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: to write.

698
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: Oh way harder. It's way harder.

699
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 5: And avoiding that John Jones curse. I think is you know,

700
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 5: like Reyes hasn't done well since the John Jones fight,

701
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 5: Thiago Santos hasn't done that well since the John Jones fight.

702
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 5: I'm not that you know, oh DC, he DC's done great,

703
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: I suppose, but figured it out. But gust of Sin

704
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: hasn't done didn't do fantastic. No, So I think just

705
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 5: like that too. Yeah, yeah, he's a nice guy.

706
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: He is nice guy. I like that guy a lot.

707
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: That was a big moment for me too. Yep.

708
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: I remember that I was in the Equadox gym trying

709
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: to squeeze in a workout on my phone, trying to

710
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: catch the results when that was going down.

711
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: I remember that very distinctly.

712
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 5: That was that was wild the Showgun one in that

713
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 5: one were like the real weird.

714
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: Ones for me.

715
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: Would you say weird you mean like afterwards, like, holy shit,

716
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: I s beat Oxandergusson Like that was like like I

717
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: did that? You know, fighters always tell me this bullshit

718
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 4: like I don't. I never even contemplate losing. I gotta

719
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: tell you, I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

720
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 4: I don't think they intentionally include it as part of

721
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: like a projection or meditation. No, but it does have

722
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 4: to creep in your mind, right, Oh for sure. I

723
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 4: mean you do wrestle with like what if what if

724
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: I get knocked out? What if they land this? What

725
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: if they whatever?

726
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh?

727
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 5: Like it's I think typically it breaks down more specifically

728
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 5: than that, like what if Alexander Gussosen hits me with

729
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 5: that uppercut? Like it's it comes like I remember thinking

730
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 5: about it and then checking it out in my head, like, well,

731
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 5: who gives a shit. I didn't come here to win,

732
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 5: like I didn't go I didn't go to Sweden to

733
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 5: get a win. It was nice and I got one,

734
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 5: But that wasn't my That wasn't that wasn't the that

735
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 5: wasn't planned one, that wasn't planning. That was just a

736
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 5: byproduct of what I wanted to do. What did you

737
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 5: want to do? I just wanted to punch somebody. I

738
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 5: was so mad about the John Jones fight. I think

739
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: I said it that week in the media too, and

740
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: I think everyone had this huge uproar that Anthony Smith

741
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 5: just went here to get a paycheck or something. But

742
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: I didn't go there with the plan to get a win.

743
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: I just wanted to perform and feel good about my performance.

744
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 5: And if that meant that I got a win, then great.

745
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 5: But I had just I just fought John Jones. I

746
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: just got crazy paid. I was just coming off a

747
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 5: title fight, so I remember thinking, like, gets a shit

748
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 5: if I lose, Like, fuck it, I just want to

749
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 5: go punch Alexander Gussos in the face a lot.

750
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: That's why I fought the way I fought like I was.

751
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: I was throwing wild haymakers and just walking them down

752
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 5: because I didn't give a shit about winning. I just

753
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: wanted to show up. That was I just didn't in

754
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 5: the John fight, and it just drove me crazy.

755
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then when the gears shifted and you had

756
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: his back, well then then you were like oh fuck,

757
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Like okay, we yeah, we're here. Yeah, we're here.

758
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 5: Well, I remember he got a take down early and

759
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: I was like you, I remember being so pissed about it,

760
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 5: not pissed like I got taken down, like it was

761
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 5: getting in the way of the firefight that I was

762
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 5: trying to get into. And then when I ended up

763
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 5: on it, he shot again and then I ended up

764
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 5: on his back, Like why, I guess I'll win while

765
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: I'm here, you know, like this wasn't the plan, but

766
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: I'll take it.

767
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: What are your emotions then when he follows you, and

768
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: there's this whole like a John, Yeah, there's this whole

769
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: moment where you know you could have, dude.

770
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: You could have you could have backdoored the championship and

771
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: talk about it on the show.

772
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: And I always give your respect for not doing it

773
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: because I recognize in the moment that it was the

774
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: competitor in you that was like, I don't want to

775
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: do it this way. But you also got injured and fouled,

776
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, what are you thinking in that moment?

777
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Uh?

778
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 5: I don't think I was thinking a lot. To me,

779
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 5: it never even crossed my mind to to not continue

780
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 5: or or what I can't do. What I can never

781
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: do is say I can't do it like I can't

782
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 5: in order for me to have even if I wanted

783
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 5: to take the title that way, or or get the

784
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: DQ or get out of there, whatever whatever, you know,

785
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 5: that looks like I would have had to say it

786
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: out loud when they said are you okay? I would

787
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 5: have had to have it would have had to have

788
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: come out of my mouth. No, I'm not okay. I've

789
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 5: never said that. I've never said it, no matter how

790
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: okay I was or wasn't, whether it was the Glover

791
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 5: to sharifight or the knee from John Jones or.

792
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have quit in the Glover fight, no

793
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: one would have been mad at you.

794
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 5: And yet you have to say it, and I can't

795
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: say it. I cannot bring myself to say it, even

796
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,239
Speaker 5: if I'm thinking it.

797
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: Dude, I gotta say, you're the only guy I know

798
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: who's handed his teeth to a sports referee to hold

799
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: during competition. Hold these motherfuckering teeth, Like what, I gotta.

800
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: Tell you, that's all you do.

801
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: You realize that's a little crazy. I mean, you know

802
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 4: I love you, but that's fucking crazy. Right.

803
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: It didn't seem crazy at the time, seemed pragmatic. I guess, hey,

804
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: hold these fucking teeth. I'm gonna neither la.

805
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 5: They were kind of rolling around in my mouth and

806
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 5: Glover hit me with like a shot from underneath and

807
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 5: they popped out, and I remember they were just on

808
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 5: the ground, and I, for whatever reason, I grabbed them.

809
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 5: I was like, why the fuck did it pick those up?

810
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: Because now they're in my hand and I kind of

811
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 5: need it. I was like, HER's a just handed. It

812
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 5: didn't seem weird like it was just like, now they're

813
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: in my hand and I don't want them in my

814
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 5: hand anymore.

815
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: So I just came to the ref Glover. Glover's got

816
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: a little steam on those punches. Huh.

817
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 5: He's heavy handed, for sure. There was a point when

818
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 5: he won the championship. Was I surprised?

819
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: Were you?

820
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

821
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 6: Well, I asked, were you not surprised? Given that you know,

822
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 6: I wasn't that. No, I wasn't surprised at all. I

823
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 6: wasn't surprised after being in there with him. I wasn't

824
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 6: surprised that he beat Thiago Santos. I thought that the

825
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 6: Lakhovich fight would have would probably go the way that

826
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 6: it did, and honestly, he made the ary fight way

827
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 6: harder than should have been. He should beat that guy

828
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 6: nine times out of ten.

829
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: He had his back a gazillion times, had him out

830
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: a gazillion. It's the only time I've ever seen Glover

831
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: make real terrible decisions, right, Yeah, usually he's pretty. He's pretty,

832
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: especially in jiu jitsu.

833
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: They both kind of got drunk on the Craziness fight.

834
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I was.

835
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 5: I was mad at Glover during that fight, Like, where

836
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 5: the hell was that guy when I fought?

837
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like there was no fad for this kind of

838
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: ship thrown Like when he was he was very very

839
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: good on he was he was. He's one of the

840
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 4: few guys man who like and mountains coming back. He's

841
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 4: always had a good mount always, you know what I mean. Like,

842
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: once he gets there, he holds that ship out, you know.

843
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Even in half guards.

844
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: Like, I'm I'm pretty good for my back, I'm pretty

845
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 5: good at at creating space. And I mean he had

846
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 5: he had me stuck, stuck. I feel like I'm probably

847
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: one of the few guys he hasn't sliced and dice

848
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 5: through on the ground. He was able to slow him

849
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 5: down and at least keep him in place for the

850
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 5: majority of the fight, but he was tough on top.

851
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: So then watching the Prohaska fight, like, what are you doing?

852
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: Like that is not how that is not you because

853
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 5: I got the goddamn monster.

854
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the terminator that won't go away.

855
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing with house money and just kind of

856
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: going out there like, let's do it.

857
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this.

858
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: You get these boxers or MMA fighters either one right

859
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: around forty if they're still doing it, they just stop

860
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: giving a fuck. Yeah, and that's so dangerous. They just

861
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: stop giving a fuck. They'll do whatever. They don't care.

862
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 4: And it's not like I saw a similar twist for

863
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 4: different reasons with Chris Lydel, remember him back in the

864
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 4: day when he became the bonus collector. Yeah, just out

865
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: here and like not giving a fuck about what happens,

866
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: you know, And that's dangerous.

867
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: That's that's super dangerous.

868
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 5: That's and I think I had a little bit of

869
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 5: that in the Gus fight, and I think that's why

870
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 5: it worked for me. You can't be like that all

871
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: the time. It's not gonna always work. But yeah, I

872
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 5: was real mad about that.

873
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: So do you have I'm gonna a two parter here,

874
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite win? So something you're most

875
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: proud of, but also a loss that just really eats

876
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: at you. You got one of those.

877
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 5: I think the Showgun win is my favorite for sure

878
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 5: by far.

879
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 3: He still had guests in the tank at that far too,

880
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: he still was.

881
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 5: Well, and I was legitimately a fan of his. That night,

882
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 5: it was the weirdest thing. I was in the octagon

883
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 5: and his music hit those speakers, and I remember, like

884
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 5: for a second, I was like, oh God, Shu Gun's fighting.

885
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: Like I was pumped. It's like, oh shit, he's coming

886
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: from me. I've got yeah.

887
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 5: It was so I had to turn it off really fast,

888
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 5: like no, no, no, no, we can't do that. But he

889
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 5: was so he was so stoic the whole time, Like

890
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 5: he was exactly as you would have expected him to be,

891
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 5: very nice, very polite, but not overly nice and polite,

892
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 5: Like he wouldn't speak to me, you know. It was

893
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: a lot of like handshakes and head nods, and even afterwards,

894
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 5: like when I was leaving for the hotel, like we

895
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 5: had a lot of conversations with nothing being said. It was,

896
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 5: I don't know. I was really grateful for those interactions

897
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 5: with Showgun, and the loss is obviously John Jones.

898
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: For sure.

899
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 5: If I get beat fair and square and it's just

900
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 5: you were better that night, I'm okay with that. The

901
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 5: global fight doesn't even bother me. I don't even think

902
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 5: about it like it. I've never lost sleep over it.

903
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: So what's your issue with your performance specifically on the

904
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: job for I.

905
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 5: Just didn't show up. And John Jones is is beatable.

906
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: It's very beatable. He's I'm gonna get roasted online for this,

907
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 5: but he's not that good.

908
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: That's an interesting quote.

909
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's ok. He's pretty fucking good.

910
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 5: Not individually like if you take his individual skill sets

911
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 5: and you take them away, each one of those things

912
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: are not a problem. It's when you put them together

913
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 5: and he puts it into the full package that is

914
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 5: it's the problems his His fight at Q is not

915
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: crazy high. He's well coached, and he does what he's

916
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 5: told very very well. Like if Winkle John when I

917
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 5: fought him, if Winkle John wasn't saying anything, John goes

918
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 5: into holding pattern His holding patterns is the same. It's

919
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: his stand switches, it's the oblique kicks, it's the front

920
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 5: kicks to the body, and then once they start talking

921
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 5: in code. Then John goes and does what he's supposed

922
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 5: to do, and then he comes back to his holding pattern.

923
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: He doesn't actually make any decisions on his own. It's

924
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: he's very well and that's a credit and that's a

925
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: credit to him. Yeah, I was gonna say also there

926
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: is a credit to him.

927
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, isn't there something a little bit good to

928
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 4: say about that that you hate the I'm not saying

929
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: like or listening to one another.

930
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's a negative, but.

931
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: It's I mean in his chin and will power and oh.

932
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: He's a dog recupert of ability, he's ten.

933
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 5: But if you take his boxing and just like if

934
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: John and I were to just box, I don't think

935
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: he's the goat. Like I think we have a very

936
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 5: competitive striking match for just doing no g jiu jitsu. Like,

937
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: I don't think John Jones beats me in a jiu

938
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 5: jitsu match. Wrestling. He probably wins that. But it's not

939
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 5: the individual skill set that he has. It's the way

940
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 5: that he puts it together. It's his range and his

941
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 5: distance management. He has a dog. He's got a lot

942
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 5: of physical gifts that he uses very well, like his

943
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 5: eighty four and a half inch reach. Non issue, the

944
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 5: total none. I've wasted entire training. Can't worry about it.

945
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: And why is it a non issue?

946
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 5: Because he doesn't box like that, He doesn't use it

947
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 5: upper body. His range is the problem from the waist down.

948
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: He uses his feet really well to get out of

949
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 5: the way. He switches stances as he retreats, so he's

950
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 5: so long and tall that instead of shuffling back, he

951
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 5: switches and steps back because he's so comfortable on both stances.

952
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: How was his kicking It's good, It's good. His kicking

953
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: game is good.

954
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 5: I had a like a dead spot in my stomach

955
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 5: for like two years where he front kicked me so

956
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 5: many times to my belly button that like killed the

957
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 5: nerves there. God, and then as they started to like

958
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 5: come back to life, I would just add of nowhere

959
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 5: to be sitting there, and I feel like my whole

960
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 5: stomach was on fire.

961
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

962
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: See similar to my libido posts to me.

963
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: Yes, the three needles which traumatize. We're all quite aware. Yeah,

964
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: this is what I mean when fighters told me, like, yeah,

965
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: chin Jo is not that good.

966
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: Also, I had the dead spot in my body because

967
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: of him. It's like, you know what I'm saying like

968
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: it's a little hard. I think maybe I speak I

969
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 4: don't know, and as the pop the production.

970
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think maybe I speak in absolutes like he's

971
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 5: it's it's not like he does one thing that is

972
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: give me make him like a specialist.

973
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 4: Give me an example of like Hubby is just better

974
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 4: in grappling than all the one.

975
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 5: A specialist, right, he's a specialist, And and like John

976
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 5: isn't a specialist anywhere.

977
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 4: Right, there's nothing that he's like a black belt level at.

978
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: So how do you think he's gonna do it heavyweight?

979
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: I think was.

980
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 5: I think it's matchup specific, but I think he does

981
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: generally well. I think there's a couple guys to give

982
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 5: him some serious problems. I think it's unfortunate if I'm

983
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: John Jones at the steep hasn't come together, because I

984
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 5: think that's probably one of the best matchups at the

985
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 5: top of the John for John. Yeah, because of speed,

986
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 5: I think just size in general, Like Steve a is

987
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: pretty big right now, but like when he by the

988
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 5: time he gets to a fight, Steepe's pretty lean. So

989
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 5: he's only two thirty five, you know, by the time

990
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: he gets in fight shape and he's ready to go.

991
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: He's probably two fifty right now. But John is getting jacked.

992
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, John's big John. He was big at two a five.

993
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 5: He was bigger than steep A as a light heavyweight.

994
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 5: So I think that there's some of that. I think

995
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 5: Stepe is getting a little bit older. I think John's faster.

996
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 5: I think he moves better. Steep A is very boxing heavy.

997
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: He doesn't kick a lot, which changes the range that

998
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 5: he fights at.

999
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: Did John have unnatural physical strength at all, like in

1000
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: the Clincher on the.

1001
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: Ground, No, which was really surprising.

1002
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 5: He uses his leverage really well, like in the clinch

1003
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 5: Ship against the fence, and so he's you can just

1004
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 5: you can tell he's a fantastic wrestler. He uses levers

1005
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 5: very well. But there I didn't ever feel like a

1006
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 5: raw power strength. He's not super powerful in his boxing,

1007
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 5: you know, but he's I remember he threw an overhand

1008
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 5: one time and I seen it coming for like an

1009
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: hour because it was like his wingspan was so big,

1010
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 5: and it was just it was fast for sure.

1011
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: So he's pretty fast for his size.

1012
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: Well, I can appreciate how introspective you are on your

1013
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: own performance in there was it a failure to pull

1014
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: the trigger.

1015
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, I seen it coming for an

1016
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: hour and he still hit me with it.

1017
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: So there's like the competitor in you, what what is

1018
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: the burning feeling the most that you could have done more,

1019
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: that you should have done more, that your game plan was.

1020
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 5: Just what I think my game plan was was way off.

1021
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 5: He's one of those guys that I think you see

1022
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 5: some things on film and then you get there and

1023
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: they're not or you watch the film and you completely

1024
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 5: miss stuff like the lower body like we kind of

1025
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 5: generally glossed over the oblique kicks in front kicks, like

1026
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 5: we talked about him, but it wasn't a real big

1027
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 5: point in the training camp. It wasn't like a big

1028
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 5: focus was worried about his reach and staying out of

1029
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: the wrestling exchanges and like things along those lines, and

1030
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 5: then we get there the reach is not a problem.

1031
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 5: The takedown attempts were generally not a huge deal because

1032
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: he didn't have any intention of grappling with me anyways,

1033
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 5: so anytime he took me down, he backed out fast,

1034
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: So the takedowns ended up not being an issue anyways.

1035
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 5: But the lower half stuff that we just kind of like, oh, yeah,

1036
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 5: he's gonna watch this, this, and this, like yeah, you'd

1037
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: be all right.

1038
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: It was not all right.

1039
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 5: There was that was part of the issue, and I

1040
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 5: was kind of stuck in neutral the whole time, Like

1041
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 5: I watched a lot.

1042
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: I got caught watching a lot.

1043
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: Is there something about the the they say that, you know,

1044
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: the lights are brighter and the pay per view main

1045
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: event level. Is there any does that become a factor

1046
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: that you have to overcome from fight week through walking

1047
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: out to the cage as the damn pay per view

1048
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: main event?

1049
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: I think that.

1050
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 5: I think that argument can be made. I don't feel

1051
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 5: like it was an issue. I don't feel like I

1052
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 5: cracked under the pressure. I think think I just had

1053
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 5: the worst night of my life, you know, just competitively,

1054
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 5: and honestly, that's probably a lot to do with John.

1055
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 5: I think that Wink and those guys and Brandon Gibson

1056
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 5: are fantastic coach They can't say enough great things about

1057
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 5: about those guys as far as their coaching ability and

1058
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 5: the their game planning. So I think the game planned

1059
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 5: really well for me, and I think John executed very well.

1060
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 5: So I'm not just saying I had a bad night

1061
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 5: and John got lucky.

1062
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: I think that. I think it's a mixture of the two.

1063
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: We talk a little bit more about your injuries because

1064
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 4: I see you got the scars on your hands now.

1065
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like what happened there?

1066
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 5: Uh so this one I had two surgeries on this one.

1067
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 5: After the gush was in fight, I threw a nasty

1068
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: check hook. I mean it was. It was so dirty,

1069
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 5: and Gus seen it late and went like that and

1070
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: tucked his chin. I hit him right on top of

1071
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 5: the head and just shattered my hand. So it was awful.

1072
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 5: So that was that was early second round.

1073
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: You know how you know a fighters like I've been

1074
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: around for a while, it is because their hands are

1075
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: completely fucked. Oh yeah, we had Hory Anderson in here.

1076
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, his fucking he they're just ship growing.

1077
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: Up people across the street with I realize.

1078
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like gremlins popping out. You can't put water

1079
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: on it after midnight and shit, it's unbelievable.

1080
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the ugliest fucking hands. So what happened

1081
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: with the other one? The other one? First break was

1082
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: on Josh Near.

1083
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: It's amazing that, by the way, you're a two zero

1084
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 4: fiver and you fought Josh fucking near Man.

1085
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild. That's just that's the first time I

1086
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: fought him. Was it right there?

1087
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 5: The first time I fought him was a catchwaight A

1088
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 5: one seventy five, and then the second time I fought

1089
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 5: him was at middleweight.

1090
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: It was weird.

1091
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 5: He was my first fight when I got cut from

1092
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 5: the UFC and he beat me, and he was my

1093
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 5: last fight on the regional scene before I got resigned.

1094
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Wild saying the original dentist, the original dentists. Yeah, all right,

1095
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: hold on, I want to go through this. So you

1096
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: got the hands that are sucked up? Yeah? Or else?

1097
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: Have you had surgery? Looks like your ankle Particeah, I

1098
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 4: just had surgery. So there's a my new newist. That's

1099
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: a nice little thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a new one.

1100
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: So that was a knock life fight.

1101
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I had.

1102
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 5: So I fought Ryan Span tore my l c L

1103
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 5: had surgery, and then while they were in there they

1104
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 5: did a scope or whatever, and then two weeks later

1105
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: I ended up with staph infection, so I had to

1106
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 5: go back in do a wash out.

1107
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: That's fun.

1108
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 5: I was on a pick line doing ivy antibiotics at

1109
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 5: home for like seven weeks. It took me ten months

1110
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 5: to get back from that because staff infection just absolutely wrecks,

1111
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 5: like it wrecks everything, like it'll just turn the muscle off.

1112
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 5: So then it took forever to get it fired. Yeah,

1113
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: crazy atrophy. And so it took me ten months to

1114
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 5: come back to the Uncle Lie fight and then break

1115
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 5: my ankle. So then I had well, now I got

1116
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 5: the blood clot. If you guys knew that I got

1117
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 5: a blod clot or do you have a blood clot?

1118
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 5: It's my calf, dude, Those are fucking danger Yeah, oh

1119
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 5: I know for sure. So what is the plan for that.

1120
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 5: I've been on blood dinners since September sixth, I believed

1121
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 5: wait a long time. I fought July thirtieth, Yeah, September sixth.

1122
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 5: I've been on blood thinners. So like when I fly,

1123
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 5: like traveling here, I do injections in my stomach.

1124
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: Do you really yeah that spot that John Jones?

1125
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: No, But honestly, in that spot it does feel weird

1126
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 5: because I have to alternate sides.

1127
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: Damn.

1128
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, what about your shoulders? They all right, shoulders

1129
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 4: are good. I'm actually haven't had no. My neck is

1130
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: trash your next trash neck is trash for sure.

1131
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I need uh the same surgery that Bisbee wide

1132
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 5: men Aljoe the discreplacements.

1133
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 4: Oh right, I need two new ones. And your dentist

1134
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 4: must be a rich motherfucker. He away every time you

1135
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: roll up in there.

1136
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, they enjoy me there.

1137
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, mile keeps improving though.

1138
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's like we got a plan for you, Anthony,

1139
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: come there.

1140
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 5: Uh and then Yeah, I've been super fortunate to not

1141
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 5: have any shoulder injuries because shoulders are tough to come

1142
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 5: back from.

1143
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: This one.

1144
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 2: Okay, trivia question before the ankle? Can Anthony Smith dunk

1145
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: with ease?

1146
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: Also?

1147
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: Yes, no, no, no, what you don't have ups? No,

1148
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: not really, I don't believe that.

1149
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: No.

1150
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: I bet I can touch the rim, but I bet,

1151
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: with like a little bit of practice, you could do it.

1152
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1153
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 5: I think if I focused on Yeah, I've tried a

1154
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: couple of times. It's never worked out. I got bad

1155
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: knees though, I've always had any problems, like real bad

1156
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 5: knee issues.

1157
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, you know, I'll tell you what, how old

1158
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: are you now?

1159
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: Thirty four? Thirty four? I gotta tell you, Anthony at

1160
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: thirty four, the way I felt. And I'm not a

1161
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: one class athlete.

1162
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm nothing, but just as a person trying

1163
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: to do shit in the world. At thirty four, you

1164
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 4: could definitely tell Okay, this is not quite like twenty four, dude,

1165
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: let me warn you.

1166
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: Let me warn you.

1167
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 4: After forty it goes down a fucking cliff. I cannot

1168
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 4: overstate the difference. It is as advertised.

1169
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 5: So how do guys like Dan Henderson last so long? Well,

1170
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 5: remember Dan was on TRT for a while.

1171
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the thing.

1172
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 3: You know, he's Brazilian. That's probably the answer.

1173
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 4: But also you know, Dan's also a very special athlete. Listen,

1174
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: there are a course to any like Anderson. Anderson fighting

1175
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 4: right now, like, that's insane. Could be the supplements, I guess,

1176
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 4: I guess if we're yeah, you know Jesus and are popular.

1177
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Did you watch the ADCCS

1178
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dude, did you the Steroid Olympics?

1179
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: The freaks? Yeah at that?

1180
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: Oh?

1181
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 5: So, like during my last training camp, I went and

1182
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: grappled with I trained with Nikki.

1183
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 4: Rod Oh, he's a handful. It was one of the

1184
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 4: worst experiences I've ever heet. The guy's a purple belt.

1185
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 5: I didn't even I almost wanted to leave my black

1186
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 5: belt there, like you can. I don't deserve this. There's

1187
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 5: like there's a black thing, like I'm a good black belt, like.

1188
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 4: I've competed in a role with you. They've told me that,

1189
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 4: and he fucking starched me for like an hour and

1190
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: a half.

1191
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 5: I can't tell you if we rot we rolled for

1192
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 5: like an hour and a half, if we're just if

1193
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 5: we said we were in there for ninety minutes of rolling.

1194
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 5: I couldn't pinpoint thirty five seconds where I was in

1195
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 5: a in a not not dominant position, in a neutral position.

1196
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't.

1197
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 5: I spent under a minute in a neutral position. He

1198
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 5: barbecued me.

1199
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, those guys. It's funny.

1200
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 4: Body of mine is a Ryan Hall black belt, and

1201
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 4: I was asking him, like, like, how the fuck is

1202
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: this guy? Because remember when he went to eighties not

1203
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 4: this past ADCC, but the sty called prior he also

1204
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: did well. He was a blue belt at the time.

1205
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 4: He had beaten Orlando Sanchez, remember Greno black belt, And

1206
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: I was asking him, He's like, well, how is it possible?

1207
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: How is it fucking possible for guy to do this.

1208
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 4: His basic argument was like he doesn't know the full

1209
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 4: totality of jiu jitsu, like in that way, but the

1210
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: part he's got down he can weaponize against almost any level.

1211
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 5: Way it closes you. He boxes you into just that. Yes,

1212
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 5: like he's very good at keeping you in that, right,

1213
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 5: that's right. I feel like if I would have gotten

1214
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: outside of that box, Like if I could have got

1215
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 5: him in close guard, I think I could have slowed

1216
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 5: it down a little bit, right, But I never got there.

1217
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: It was like, how is Nicky Rod's guard game? It's

1218
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 4: probably not great. It's probably not you know what I mean.

1219
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: And he never touched my legs. Yeah, but his leg

1220
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: locks and his top control are fucking.

1221
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 5: Craig Jones did the same thing to me. He never

1222
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 5: touched my legs and dusted me really dusted.

1223
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: Did you go down to B Team?

1224
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 5: Like, how did you know I trained with I went

1225
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 5: to B Team and trained with Nikki, but I trained

1226
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 5: with Craig at the Apex before that that we did that.

1227
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a fun one. Yeah.

1228
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 5: So I trained with Craig there and that was my

1229
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 5: first experience even with like I fought had your Gracie

1230
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 5: and we were in a lot of grappling exchanges. Craig

1231
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 5: Jones my first world. I was like, Wow, this this

1232
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 5: is different. This is a totally different I've been in

1233
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 5: there with a lot of really good black belts.

1234
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: I trained with a lot of good ones.

1235
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 5: It's unfair so those guys to even say that they're

1236
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 5: like black belt level, like it's it's almost unfair to

1237
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 5: guys like me. We're like, we're not the same. Like

1238
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 5: there's there be another belt, there should be another belt

1239
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 5: level above black whatever that is is what Craig and

1240
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 5: you know, all those.

1241
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Guys, it's impossible to explain it.

1242
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 5: And then to watch someone beat Nicky, what's It's unfathomable

1243
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 5: to me. It doesn't make My brain can't go Gordon

1244
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 5: did it in two and a half minutes. That's what

1245
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 5: my brain can't I can't accept that, even I watched

1246
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 5: it with my own eyes. Yeah, but to watch a

1247
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 5: guy that did what he did to me, like he

1248
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 5: manhandled me for ninety minutes, to watch it happen to

1249
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 5: him is it doesn't make any sense. It bothers me

1250
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: specialists like he's the Gordon Ryan's not human.

1251
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: And you know it's funny.

1252
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: I've been asking like really good grapplers, like professional grapplers, like,

1253
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 4: you know, explain to me why Gordon Ryan's so good.

1254
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: They kind of struggle with it actually a little bit.

1255
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 4: They don't have like a unified theory of his greatness.

1256
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 4: They're just kind of like, well, I can tell you

1257
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 4: why Nick's good. Tell me why Nick's good. I mean,

1258
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 4: for the same reason we just talked about. Like he's

1259
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: very good.

1260
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 5: His his over underpassing is really really good. His bodylock passing,

1261
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 5: his bodylock is bodylock passing is fantastic.

1262
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: And he's he does a good guy run the pipe too.

1263
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 5: He does a good job at keeping people out of

1264
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 5: actual positions.

1265
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: So like we were never in half guard.

1266
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 5: We were never in like side control, like even as

1267
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 5: back control is different. It's it's so it's hard to

1268
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 5: defend because it's not your traditional positions. The athletic is

1269
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 5: shitty's strong as fuck. He keeps you, he just he

1270
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 5: constantly keeps you defending while he's being It's like you're

1271
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 5: defending the past, but he's already going to this mission, right.

1272
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 5: So but like Gordon, I can't even I can't even

1273
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 5: I couldn't even tell you.

1274
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing, Hey, I want to talk to you

1275
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 4: about something that I think would be you'd be the

1276
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 4: most appropriate guess for this, given how BC has been,

1277
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: you know, not the nicest.

1278
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: But also I've had my.

1279
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 4: Own problems with finding the right lane for like what

1280
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: is fair and appropriate fighter criticism? What does that sound like?

1281
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 4: The reason why I think I think it's important for

1282
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: you to be in this conversation is for two reasons.

1283
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: One, I think you've been at the receiving end of some.

1284
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: Of that, But two you might be auditioning it out

1285
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: because now that you've been doing commentary, I have seen

1286
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 4: fighters get quite upset with you for in certain scenarios.

1287
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 4: What does responsible fair criticism sound like? What are the

1288
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 4: rules you employ?

1289
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 5: I think that I think if you're a professional athlete

1290
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 5: at this level, anything that you do in the octagon

1291
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 5: is fair. It's fair game to criticize. I don't ever

1292
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 5: talk about anybody personally. I don't talk about anyone's I

1293
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 5: never talk about John Jones' personal life like that's an

1294
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 5: example like hard to ignore.

1295
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: And it is.

1296
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 5: It's very it's hard to it's harder to avoid it

1297
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 5: than it is to talk about.

1298
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could talk with them and

1299
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: not do that because it's like the.

1300
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've I've never really attacked him personally. I've never

1301
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 5: talked about his decision making unless it's like a legal

1302
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 5: thing where it's a story, but as far as like

1303
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 5: his personal life, never talked about it ever, never criticized

1304
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 5: him for it. But I mean, I'm just I'm just

1305
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 5: honest with what I see as far as their skill

1306
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 5: set and their abilities. I think that all that is fair.

1307
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 5: And as mad as I've gotten at people for criticizing me,

1308
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 5: I still think that it's fair. Fighters do get very

1309
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 5: very upset. They get mad at DC too, because it's real.

1310
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 5: What hurts the most is the things that are true,

1311
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 5: and I think that some of it is is fighters egos.

1312
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 5: I think we all have a little bit of an ego.

1313
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 5: I think you have to to compete at this level

1314
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 5: of course, So I think when people are critical of

1315
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 5: something that you're so passionate about and you work so

1316
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 5: hard on, I think that that's you know, I get

1317
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 5: upset when people criticize my commentary or my desk work

1318
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 5: because I'm so passionate about it and I work so

1319
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 5: hard at it. So again, though I'm the one I

1320
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 5: put myself out there. I put myself on TV and

1321
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 5: I leave myself open for criticism.

1322
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: That's fair.

1323
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes you know, I know that because we

1324
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: have so many hours to fill and we do an

1325
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: entertainment show that you know, we can go too far

1326
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: and anyone can hear that at any time and get

1327
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: and get super upset. I also get that no one

1328
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: wants to see people like me talking about the actual

1329
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: you know, analysis of it, and they could just be.

1330
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: Like fuck off.

1331
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: But I think that's some of it too.

1332
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: But you have that respect factor being that you're not

1333
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: only been there, you're still there. Does shouldn't that get

1334
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: you out of any of these issues? Or a fighter's

1335
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: still mad because you didn't believe that? Only had one

1336
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: say it to me. I've seen people upset about it online,

1337
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: but I've only had one person come to me face

1338
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: to face about it.

1339
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about it? Yeah? It was Cynthia Calvill.

1340
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: Really she was. She was upset.

1341
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 4: She was upset from something you said off the desk. Yeah, yeah,

1342
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 4: and to be fair, I was. I don't remember who

1343
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 4: she thought.

1344
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 5: I wish I could remember the girl's name, but essentially

1345
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 5: what I picked against her and the picks, like for

1346
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 5: any fighters listeners, this the pixel bullshit, Like the analysis

1347
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 5: is true. We just have to pick, but we don't

1348
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 5: always I hate doing. We don't always know, Like I

1349
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't like I can tell you if

1350
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 5: this this and this happens, here's who will likely win.

1351
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 5: This person doesn't do this, here's likely.

1352
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 4: I can lay out a case for you, right, But

1353
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 4: I don't know how convinced we get visions.

1354
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: I get it. I saw Woodley. I can't advance.

1355
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1356
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 5: I don't know how they slept last night. I don't

1357
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 5: know if they have injuries. I don't know how banged

1358
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 5: up they are.

1359
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: Like you could.

1360
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 5: We did all this analysis and all this breakdowns and

1361
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 5: all these picks on the on the ALJTJ Dilla show fight,

1362
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 5: and then he went in there one armed and incapable

1363
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 5: of winning. So like, I mean, that's that. That tells

1364
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 5: you all you need to know. So but I had

1365
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 5: said in the in the analysis that if Cynthia Calvio

1366
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 5: wasn't able to get into grappling exchanges and get a

1367
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 5: takedown and force the grappling, that she was not going

1368
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 5: to be able to win the striking and that she

1369
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: probably would be unlikely to win. But then if this girl,

1370
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 5: I wish I remember what it was, but if she

1371
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 5: was able to keep it striking, that Cynthia was going

1372
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 5: to lose that. So I thought it would be one

1373
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 5: way traffic. If each one of those girls got to

1374
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 5: their spots. Turns out Cynthia Calvill loses all the striking exchanges,

1375
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 5: wins all the grappling exchanges and the fights of fucking

1376
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 5: draw So like, I couldn't have been anymore right. And

1377
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 5: but I think it's sometimes the way that I think,

1378
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 5: the way that they listened to it is not always

1379
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 5: the way that maybe I mean it, if that makes

1380
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 5: any sense.

1381
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: Marina Hardriguez was that the flight our staff is telling.

1382
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: It probably was that a draw that draws the draw GPP, Yes,

1383
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: yes it was. Yeah, then that would have been it. Yeah,

1384
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: the Marindriguez fight. Yeah, yeah, it's not.

1385
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 4: Now that I'm older, I try to h I think

1386
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 4: my rule is, uh, try to be as humane as possible. Yeah,

1387
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 4: try to be as understanding as possible, and you know.

1388
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off. But the human thing is

1389
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: really hard.

1390
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 5: In some of the fights, like Carla A Sparza this week,

1391
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 5: it's a tough one like Kaitlyn Chukegan versus Valentina Chefchenko.

1392
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: It's it's really tough to.

1393
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 4: Like, how do you say I don't see a path

1394
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 4: for this? How do you say it in a way

1395
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 4: that's not gonna hurt her feeling?

1396
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: Right? I don't know that. You can't. I can't, she can't.

1397
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: I can't. Like. I really like Kaitlyn Chikegan.

1398
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 5: I'm although she doesn't have the most fan of peasing style,

1399
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 5: I appreciate her game and how hard it is to

1400
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 5: do fight the way she fights. I just there was

1401
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 5: no path to victory that I seen for her. So

1402
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 5: then it's hard to like, sit up there on ESPN

1403
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 5: and like, I can't convince the viewer that there's a

1404
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 5: path to victory for her.

1405
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: There isn't.

1406
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 5: Like, I think Carla spars is one of the sweetest

1407
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 5: people that I've ever talked to. I think that her

1408
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 5: run in her career and what she's been able to

1409
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 5: do up to this point is amazing. I don't see

1410
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 5: a path to victory for her tonight. I just don't.

1411
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 5: I could she slow wayy down a little? I don't,

1412
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 5: probably not, I don't think so far. Right, Where do

1413
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 5: you say, you say that without being a dick, you can't.

1414
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: You have to be honest, and then you have to

1415
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: get to a point where you're just like, for me

1416
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 2: to do my job the right way, I can't worry

1417
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: about who I offend, and I don't want to be

1418
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: enemies with anybody, and I don't want to one day

1419
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: get my ass kicked in public either. But I also

1420
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: can't stop being the best I can at the job.

1421
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: That's just I mean, you got to get to that point.

1422
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: But since you're in the interesting position where you're on

1423
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: both sides, media and fighter, when you see the recent

1424
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: scenario that happened with TJ Dillashaw against Al Joe, connected

1425
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: with the fact that we as media praised, right, I

1426
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: think rightfully so Francis and Gan who for knowing he

1427
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: had an injury against God yet going in there, given

1428
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: his contract status and gutting it the hell out when

1429
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: he shouldn't even been walking. But then when TJ does

1430
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: something somewhat similar, we kind of villainized him, and I

1431
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: think we were right based on the facts that TJ

1432
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: gave himself.

1433
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: In the post fight interview. But you know the fighter side,

1434
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: which is maybe he really needed that paycheck. Maybe that

1435
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 3: had nothing new do with the paycheck.

1436
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: He I don't know, he denies it. It's the pack.

1437
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: How do you see that since you're on bull size.

1438
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 5: I think those are different. Knees and shoulders are completely different.

1439
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 5: You can have a bad you know, like what Connor

1440
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 5: toy is ACL or something in that first in.

1441
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: That MAXI fight.

1442
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and during the Holloway fight, and then I

1443
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 4: fucked up knee during the Mendz fight.

1444
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 5: Like, depending on the injury, you can get through knee

1445
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 5: injuries and still win fights like I tore my l

1446
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 5: CL and the Ryan Span fight was able to get

1447
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 5: a win. It's not too many guys that got blown

1448
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 5: shoulders that are coming out of sockets that you're still

1449
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 5: able to fight.

1450
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: Like.

1451
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 5: Your arms are pretty important, not that your legs aren't,

1452
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 5: but I think those are just completely different injuries.

1453
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 4: Well, dude, the knee only the hip rotates, but the

1454
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 4: knee only bends one way right. The shoulder goes in

1455
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 4: any number of different directions. It's a much more mechanically

1456
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 4: complex joint, which means it's way more fragile. I've had

1457
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: this one repaired from stupid ass weightlifting accident.

1458
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: It's probably not the same. It's never been the same.

1459
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: It never been the same.

1460
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 4: It's still good enough to do what I'm basically, oh knee,

1461
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 4: But like if you do, like if I do high

1462
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 4: reps on anything, I can feel the burn inside the

1463
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 4: shoulder joint in a way that I never ever appeared

1464
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 4: on this one.

1465
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's different, So I think shoulders are different. But

1466
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 5: I also there's no again, i'm speaking in absolutes, I guess,

1467
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 5: so I try not to do that. But there's no

1468
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 5: way that they all thought he was gonna win. There's

1469
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 5: no way you can't beat al Jamaine Sterling a grappler,

1470
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 5: a wrestler with one arm. And by the way, like

1471
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 5: there's no way that they thought he could win. And

1472
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 5: by the way, if he was fully healthy, how would

1473
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 5: that fight have gone? Probably who the hell knows, right,

1474
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 5: But one of the things that, dude, I'm a fucking

1475
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 5: zero even I was like, dude, I don't know, Aljoe

1476
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 5: catching those kicks is gonna be a problem for him.

1477
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 5: Look at the Yond fight like that was a key weapon.

1478
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 5: Sure enough, sure enough, first one he catches, and then

1479
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 5: posts and the problems begin.

1480
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, what kind of risk calculus is this?

1481
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 4: I just what did he think was gonna happen? I

1482
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 4: have no fucking idea. That's That's where I'm at with this.

1483
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: So what does he do when he's in that spot

1484
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: where I don't know how much he's gonna have left,

1485
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: don't know if his body can hold together. Maybe he

1486
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: never gets another title opportunity, And given the big gaps

1487
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: in his career.

1488
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, was the one he had worth it?

1489
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: Well, what should he have done?

1490
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess he should have when he says

1491
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: in April his shoulder got injured and it was, you know,

1492
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: popping out twenty something times during camp.

1493
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: To me, that's a sign should By the way.

1494
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 4: Did you hear he also had staff, so he had staff,

1495
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 4: then had to take medicines for it, which made the

1496
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 4: everything weaker to begin with. It's like, dude, what what

1497
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 4: are you doing? This is not you are not I

1498
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: mean this the fucking arrogance. If he actually believed he

1499
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 4: could win like that is unmatched. If that's I know

1500
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 4: he actually believed that. I know he's super tough, and

1501
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 4: maybe there is a part from that believe that. I

1502
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: understand that, but it's it's and you got to accept

1503
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 4: that there's going to be a degree of irrationality according

1504
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 4: to normal people, that fighters are going to embrace him.

1505
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 4: This is indefensible irrationality. It is it's too far. And also, dude,

1506
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 4: people are paying tickets for this shit. They're buying pay

1507
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 4: per views for that. They're not buying that for you

1508
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 4: to be in the condition where you can't fight.

1509
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: I think it goes into some of the betting issue too,

1510
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: the right that we're having.

1511
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 4: Like, no, I will give his team credit that they

1512
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 4: they they kept it under wraps.

1513
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, which they did a great job. They did a

1514
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 5: great job keeping it hidden. But like there's a reason

1515
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 5: that in most other professional sports you have to like

1516
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 5: there's reports on injury. There's injury reports that have to

1517
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 5: come out, and that's a large part of that is

1518
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 5: so that betters are aware of who's injured and who's

1519
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 5: not injured. Like, I'm not gonna you you're betting football,

1520
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 5: like and the starter is injured, you don't want to

1521
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 5: put the bet in and then you don't know that

1522
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 5: until the game starts, right, Like, that's that's not necessarily fair. So,

1523
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 5: like I'm not saying that fighters need to start reporting

1524
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 5: their injuries because you just what everyone would have to report,

1525
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 5: and I don't know how you. I don't know how you.

1526
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 5: I don't know how do you make sure that nobody's lying,

1527
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like, how do you horse

1528
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 5: that there's no Yeah, there's no way to enforce that.

1529
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 5: But I think on the betting side of that, that

1530
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 5: looks really ugly.

1531
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah all right, man, Well, let's talk about this with

1532
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 4: the time we have remaining, which is I don't know

1533
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 4: with this what your prognosis to return is, tell me

1534
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 4: about that first, and then tell me secondly, like what's

1535
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 4: what does twenty twenty three look like if it's a

1536
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: good year for you.

1537
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 5: So I'm hoping to fight at the end of March,

1538
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 5: I should I should be off of the blood dinners

1539
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 5: pretty soon. The blood clot stuff's going well, so as

1540
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 5: far like, I'm still going through physical therapy. I'm in

1541
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 5: strength and conditioning. I just can't do any like contact

1542
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 5: stuff because I'm on so much, like the blood dinners

1543
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 5: are so heavy that if I took a hard shot

1544
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 5: to the head, like they're worried about brain bleeds and

1545
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 5: right and and all those issues. So I can't do

1546
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 5: any contact stuff right now. But I'm hitting pads and

1547
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 5: training and as much as I can, so I'm hoping

1548
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 5: to fight at the end of March, and then if

1549
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 5: it's a good year, i'd like to I'd like to

1550
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 5: fight March and then maybe like October that would be

1551
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 5: ideal for me, and then I'm gonna chase the title again.

1552
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 5: I think I was really close. I think I think

1553
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 5: a win over Uncle Life would have got me there.

1554
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 5: I think that would have been enough to have that.

1555
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 5: I don't think they would have made the Glover Year rematch.

1556
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 5: I think that would have been beaten on Glive. Yeah, yeah,

1557
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 5: I think.

1558
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: So.

1559
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 5: I think I think I'm a couple away. You know,

1560
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 5: I think I can get another win. If I get

1561
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 5: a big win, I think it would take maybe one more,

1562
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 5: and I think we're back in a title shot, so

1563
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 5: one of it. It's always been the goal, man is,

1564
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 5: as soon as I don't think I can win the title,

1565
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 5: as soon as I'm not competitive, there's no reason for

1566
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 5: me to be here anymore.

1567
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: You know.

1568
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: I I'm lucky enough that I've created a lot of

1569
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 4: opportunities for myself outside of fighting that I'm not here to.

1570
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 5: I'm not here to stick around some forty you know

1571
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,479
Speaker 5: what I mean. I already got over fifty fights. I'm

1572
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want to overstay my welcome.

1573
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1574
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 5: I feel like I took I think you got to

1575
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 5: kind of passed that torch. And I don't mean that

1576
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 5: in like some way where I'm trying to be some

1577
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 5: super humble guy, like I took the shine from a shot,

1578
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 5: and I took it from Showgun and maybe took it

1579
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 5: from Gus a little bit. Once I pay that back

1580
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 5: a couple of times, and I'm not competitive with those

1581
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 5: young guys anymore. They can fucking have it and I'll

1582
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 5: be done. I don't want to stick around for fun

1583
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 5: fights and money fights.

1584
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: Separate from the title. What you're telling us, that's that's

1585
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: your focus. If it's an of the title, I don't

1586
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: want to be there, and I respect that. Is there

1587
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: anybody that you're like, well, if we can make it work,

1588
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: I'd really like to fight them, and that could be

1589
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 2: I can make a lot of money against them.

1590
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: I want to get them back.

1591
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean, is there anybody that you're like, Man, I

1592
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: need to fucking fight that guy again.

1593
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: Not off the top of my head, but I would.

1594
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 5: Like, like mass Woudoal's pretty lucky, like he's got he's

1595
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 5: gotten to have like a couple of really fun fights,

1596
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 5: Like I think one one fight that maybe doesn't really

1597
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 5: mean a lot like divisionally or in the rankings, or

1598
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 5: I think one super fun one that's just because it

1599
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 5: makes sense because people would like to watch it. You know,

1600
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: a big old fat check wouldn't be terrible either, but

1601
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 5: like the BMF title thing would need that's just fun.

1602
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 5: It didn't, it meant nothing. I don't think anybody cared

1603
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 5: who really won or lost that fight. It did nothing

1604
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 5: one way or the other for either one of those guys.

1605
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 5: I think one of those will be fun. I don't

1606
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 5: know who that would be with, would you ever? When

1607
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 5: I was when I was younger, I think like a

1608
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 5: Nick Dias thing was always a lot of fun to me,

1609
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 5: Like I think a Nick dad obviously not now that

1610
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 5: would be unfair and field girls, but like something like

1611
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 5: that would be a lot of fun.

1612
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: Part if you want to rematch Maheta.

1613
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 5: No he's gone, he's gone anyway. Yeah no, no, there's nothing.

1614
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 5: There was nothing. There was nothing fun about that. Yeah,

1615
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 5: yeah it was. It was not a lot of fun.

1616
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 5: It was not a lot of fun. I felt like

1617
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 5: that dude hit me with a baseball bat a couple

1618
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 5: of times.

1619
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the rackets one I think you want back?

1620
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: Right for sure? For sure? All is he's banged up

1621
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: to huge. Yeah, he's a big boy. I've seen him

1622
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: in Paris. Yea and.

1623
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 4: Excuse me, walked up to him and said, how much

1624
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 4: do you weigh? Take a guess how much you think

1625
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 4: he weighs? So we're off camp, right, Yeah, yeah, he's

1626
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 4: out of camp.

1627
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 5: Damn is with with like like when we met, we

1628
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 5: shook hands and quick hug and you know I'm you know,

1629
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 5: I'm scoping them out still, so I get a little

1630
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 5: pat on the stomach. Full six back, full six back,

1631
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 5: two fifty like two forty seven.

1632
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: I guess huge, And you're like, I want to fistfight

1633
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: this man? I do?

1634
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he's a large headway last thing I would

1635
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 4: want to do. He's like an average to large size heavyweight.

1636
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 4: It was, it was crazy. I couldn't believe how big

1637
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 4: he was. You could fight a heavyweight for like, for focks.

1638
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: I would.

1639
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 5: I would actually when I was trying to get there,

1640
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 5: when I was before I got to uncle I fight,

1641
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 5: I was willing to fight anybody. So like there was

1642
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 5: like some heavyweights that I was totally willing to fight,

1643
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 5: like like John Jones, like a small I would totally

1644
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 5: fight John Jones. But I like was asking for some

1645
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 5: of the smaller heavyweights and they've just been no one

1646
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 5: was available, but I would have for sure.

1647
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: That'd be sick.

1648
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 4: That would be that'd be kind of fun to go

1649
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 4: see a guy from the middleweight go up to heavy

1650
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: that's some fadal shit.

1651
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be cool to get a win in like

1652
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: three different weight classes. That would be it.

1653
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 4: There's not many guys who can say that, I think

1654
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 4: if they're Onrodge has wins in three different way classes.

1655
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 4: Frank wins, yeah, and some other ones, gregor how about

1656
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 4: Frank Just Frankie can win? Does he win tonight? Well,

1657
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 4: this will be out afterwards.

1658
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Dude good teen haars is good. He's

1659
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: pretty good. Those leg kicks. Yeah, and you know, was this.

1660
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 4: Is the look the gray is eating my face, you know,

1661
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 4: I know. But Frankie on that dais uh this week

1662
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: he looked old.

1663
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked old.

1664
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's always like I said, my youthful kind of yeah.

1665
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: He wasn't super playful looking. No, No, he's been to

1666
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: the ring.

1667
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 3: Scared me. What do what are your non fighting goals?

1668
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 3: I mean, do you do?

1669
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: How do you look at this broadcasting run and you know,

1670
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: I see you with biz paying, I see you with

1671
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people. I mean you're making starting fresh shows,

1672
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: You're making a lot of appearances, You're really getting the

1673
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 2: reps in.

1674
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 3: Is there an end game in there? What's your what?

1675
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 3: What drives you in the broadcasting side.

1676
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,839
Speaker 5: Well, eventually I want to get to the cage side stuff,

1677
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 5: you know, and do the color. I think my skill

1678
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 5: set is better utilized cage side. I'm not I'm not

1679
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 5: a great promote guy like Bisping and Jail and DC.

1680
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 5: On top of being fantastic minds, they're they're really good

1681
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 5: at getting people excited, Like they sell pay per views

1682
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 5: better than like, better than anybody. So I'm not the

1683
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 5: promotional guy.

1684
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1685
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 5: That's not my strong suit. I'm not the the raw

1686
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 5: raw let's get pumped. You know, that's just not me.

1687
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 5: So I think that being I think I'm closer to

1688
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 5: like a Paul Felder, like very analytical and can explain

1689
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 5: to you the why and the why and and and

1690
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 5: do it in a way that I think the casual

1691
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 5: fan can understand. So I want to make it to

1692
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 5: the cage side stuff eventually. But the problem is the

1693
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 5: the the America based team is so strong.

1694
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: There's just not a place for me. You know.

1695
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 5: It's and that's obviously a huge positive for the UFC.

1696
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 5: It's it's hard to break into that group because those

1697
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 5: guys are so good. So I think once we start

1698
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 5: traveling again and you start getting those more international shows,

1699
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 5: I think that you know, d C and Felder aren't

1700
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 5: going to want to do the small shop in Brazil

1701
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 5: all the time.

1702
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not gonna want to do a lot of those.

1703
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 5: So I think that that's maybe where I can cut

1704
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 5: my teeth and have an opportunity to get in there.

1705
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: You fought Uzdamira one of those shows, monked In monked In. Yeah, Yeah,

1706
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: that guy was tough.

1707
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 3: What province is monked in?

1708
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: Is it a sketchework? I don't know. I don't know.

1709
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 2: I feel like Prince Edward Island or something. It's probably

1710
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: up with JP's house in Nova Scotia.

1711
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: There it was.

1712
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 4: It was a weird place, very nice people, but well,

1713
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 4: this is a weird place. This is a weird You

1714
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 4: find yourself in the weird places all the time around

1715
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 4: un I do well. I gotta tell you, Anthony, it's

1716
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 4: been wonderful, haven't you here?

1717
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: Man?

1718
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that time just flew by and you did.

1719
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 1: So do you think March maybe? Yeah, I'm looking to

1720
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: end of March. And where can folks find your podcast? Yeah?

1721
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 4: So, I'm we have the Believing Me podcast on anywhere

1722
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 4: you can find podcasts.

1723
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: With Branendo on that ship Brantendo sixty.

1724
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 4: No, I think he was the producer there, or he

1725
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 4: was Bisbing's YouTube guy.

1726
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: I think maybe maybe he's the guy that does Bisban's

1727
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: YouTube stuff. I think that's right.

1728
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: Just oh wait, quick final question in this about sort

1729
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 2: of what could be next for you. You know, we

1730
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: cover Jake Paul for a living at times through showtime,

1731
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 2: and we feel like we give fair analysis. You've been critical,

1732
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: you know, coming off of the Nate win of you know, well,

1733
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: Jake's getting really good, man, so maybe he should be

1734
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 2: fighting bigger opponents. We just saw your right Hall Mcer transition.

1735
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: Do you have any post UFC itch and don't say yeah,

1736
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the next champion in the slap Dake League.

1737
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 3: I mean, what the hell's going on, Dano? Spend your

1738
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: money somewhere else.

1739
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: I was at the pilot event.

1740
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 5: I called as a commentator for the pilot event for

1741
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 5: the slap fighting.

1742
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, what am I missing here? Why do I think

1743
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 3: this is trash?

1744
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: And this is awesome? Yeah?

1745
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 5: It was one of the best experiences I've ever had.

1746
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 5: If you took the top ten knockouts I've ever seen

1747
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 5: live in my whole life, five of them happened that day.

1748
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: Not a lot of defense in that league, not a

1749
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of defense.

1750
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 5: No, And the people that signed to do that are

1751
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 5: exactly the type of humans you would imagine there. Oh

1752
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 5: they are maniacs and they're really interesting people.

1753
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: I had so much fun. I had a lot.

1754
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: All right, if you can get broadca there go get

1755
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you have any interest in this

1756
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 2: crossover boxing boom?

1757
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 3: Could we one day see you and the Jake Paul Sweepstakes?

1758
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 3: I mean, what's going on here?

1759
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: No?

1760
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think it would be fun again,

1761
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 5: like one of those fun, kind of weird fights.

1762
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't.

1763
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 5: I don't want to be one of those guys that

1764
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 5: retires from mma, because when I retire, it'll be because

1765
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 5: I can't hang at the highest level anymore.

1766
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: So I don't want to.

1767
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to take the to do the weird

1768
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 5: boxing crossover then bare knuckle then like you know that's

1769
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 5: where UFC fighters go to die.

1770
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's that's MMA pornography against I say,

1771
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: to be very fair, I say that who knows, because

1772
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure lots of guys say that. Well, they may

1773
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: offer a really nice paycheck one time, and you're like,

1774
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 2: well that is vacation home, right.

1775
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, like like Ben Askrin was done until he wasn't,

1776
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 5: you know. So like there's organizations out there that got

1777
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 5: enough money to drag anyone out of retirement. So I

1778
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 5: don't suspect that happens. But do you never know? Jake

1779
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 5: Paul would be a fun fight though, because he is good.

1780
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 5: You are more his size, yeah, and his age.

1781
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 4: You're a little bit bigger than him, but yeah, and

1782
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 4: we're closer. Not too bad these days.

1783
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 3: His course, bit luke. But you know we can move

1784
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 3: on from that.

1785
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: All right.

1786
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 4: Well, I just want to say it was great to

1787
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 4: have you here. Well, thanks for making the effort to

1788
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 4: come in studio.

1789
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: Ye Omaha style style.

1790
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, favorite three eleven memory. I wasn't really a Big

1791
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: three eleven fan. That's a lie. We're older. Isn't that

1792
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: a requirement of citizenship in Nebraska?

1793
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 4: You have to be a Husker fan. Husker fan, Husker fan.

1794
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 4: That's pretty fair, Ladies and gentlemen. The Great light Heavyweight podcaster,

1795
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 4: commentator analyst Dad lionhearder, it's like, we're up