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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about January sixth, both what has happened and

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Speaker 2: where we think the prosecutions are going. And to do so,

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Speaker 2: we have a fantastic guest with us, Julie Kelly. She

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Speaker 2: is the author of January sixth, which has a longer subtitle,

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Speaker 2: but just look up Julie Kelly January sixth, get her book,

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Speaker 2: and American Greatness is where she writes, Julie, great to

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Speaker 2: have you always on radio and now welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Buck, thank you so much for having me on. So.

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Speaker 2: I know that some of this may be known to

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Speaker 2: it a little bit before we get into We're going

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Speaker 2: to break this down into a few areas, Right, what

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Speaker 2: has happened up to this point with January sixth, confinement

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Speaker 2: to prisoners and how they've been treated, and the politic

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Speaker 2: just tell them, so, January sixth happens, there's a riot,

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Speaker 2: and then in the months afterwards, people were held in DC.

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Speaker 2: What does everyone need to know about how including nonviolent defendants,

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Speaker 1: So Buck, thanks for asking that question, you know, just

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Speaker 1: like you and everyone else, I watched the events of

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Speaker 1: not have the same reaction to what was happening is

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Speaker 1: don't want to say suspicious, but unlike Trump support and

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Speaker 1: this is really strange, especially coming off of the heels

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Speaker 1: meaning denying bail for a man named Kui Griffin who

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Speaker 1: He never even went inside the building. He actually had

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Speaker 2: And now I think for a lot of people it's

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Speaker 1: So what's amazing, Buck, is right after January sixth, the Department,

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Speaker 2: What was the longest, to your memory, Julie, the longest

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Speaker 1: Well, I think throughout twenty twenty one they kept COVID

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Speaker 1: Now I'm still hearing from January sixth defendants at prisons

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Speaker 2: Now, am I right in thinking that at least in

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Speaker 1: That's right. It happened over and over, and it happened

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Speaker 2: How hard have they gone and what developments are there

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Speaker 2: Julie in finding Remember there was the pipe bomber at

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Speaker 1: hold these officials accountable. The man that I brought up earlier,

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Speaker 1: He was the one who gave the big presentation, as

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Speaker 2: you're watching this video for the first time, Julie, let's

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Speaker 2: get into it. Now. Tell me about ray Epps.

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Speaker 1: Ray Apps, right, Apps, Let's see what did I call

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Speaker 1: him today? I was talking to a January sixth defendant,

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Speaker 1: the Where's waldo of January sixth? He pops up everywhere

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Speaker 1: the night before, throughout the day on January sixth, on

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Speaker 1: Truly, so Buck. As you know, Special Special Counsel Jack Smith,

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Speaker 1: I talked about, prosecutors made Donald Trump a feature a

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Speaker 1: key figure in that trial. So this will arm Special

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Speaker 1: Counsel Jack Smith to go to his secret DC grand

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Speaker 1: jury made up of the same people who make up

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Speaker 1: regular DC trial juries, and possibly ask for seditious conspiracy

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Speaker 1: indictment along with other charges of obstruction and conspiracy, tampering

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Speaker 1: with evidence, etc. And bring down a ulltight count felony

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Speaker 1: indictment against Donald Trump. I'm guessing sometime this summer at

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Speaker 1: the very latest early fall. But the scariest thing is

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Speaker 1: there's now precedent for this Department of Justice to ask

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Speaker 1: for pre trialed attention. What we just started off with

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Speaker 1: denying bond or bail where people who have been indicted

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Speaker 1: for crimes like seditious conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding.

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Speaker 1: That will be the thing to watch coming out of

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith after he indicts the president.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Merrick Garland, the Attorney General under Biden,

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Speaker 2: is willing to take this all the way and not

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Speaker 2: only bring these charges against Trump, but then allow the

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice, through a federal prosecution to lock him up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and Merrick Garland will say that he has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with it. Jack Smith is acting independently. Lisa Monico,

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Speaker 1: the Obama loyalist who's the department, the deputy attorney General,

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Speaker 1: will say the same thing, None of it's true. They

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Speaker 1: simply move the same prosecutors and investigators who started this

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Speaker 1: probe into Donald Trump over to Jack Smith's office. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that this Department of Justice has any fear.

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Speaker 1: They certainly have no guardrails, they have no really no

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Speaker 1: accountability by Congress, and they have nothing but a rubber

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Speaker 1: stamp by the DC District Court. If you're telling me,

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Speaker 1: if Jack Smith brings multi count indictment including seditious conspiracy

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Speaker 1: to a judge like Judge Amit Meta, who oversaw the

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Speaker 1: Oathkeeper's trials, who is an Obama appointee, and that Judge

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Speaker 1: Mata would not sign off on pre trialed attention as

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Speaker 1: probably the closest observer observer to what's been happening in

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Speaker 1: these trials on the right. Anyway, I could tell you

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Speaker 1: that would not shock me one bit.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything that you think Trump can do to

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Speaker 2: try to outmaneuver this yet another coup effort from within

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Speaker 2: the deep state in a sense, or really this is

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Speaker 2: a preemptive coupe to stop him from being president of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Is there anything he can do? Or

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Speaker 2: is this the machinery in place?

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Speaker 1: The machinery is in place. This is a banana republic

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. I called the legal and judicial

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Speaker 1: circle of hell. All I would advise is for his

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Speaker 1: lawyers to prepare immediately change of venue motions, which have

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Speaker 1: been denied in every single January sixth case, by the way,

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Speaker 1: but that is the only salvation he might have, is

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Speaker 1: some hope of moving this case and potential trial out

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Speaker 1: of Washington, d C. I think that's the only thing

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Speaker 1: they can prepare for now.

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Speaker 2: Julie Kelly, thank you so much. Check out her book

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Speaker 2: January sixth and Julie your work on this has been excellent.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you making the time today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me on