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Speaker 3: I'm here with Sean Clements. This is an insider's guide

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Speaker 3: That's right. Sean and I don't really like our background.

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Speaker 2: Cliff worked at and just split and just left, you know,

434
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: all the cose Beak, Rudy and and and THEO and

435
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: like and where's Mom and Dad? And Brandon wanted to

436
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: bring in Frankie Avalon and a Nette Funicello to be

437
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: the new Claire and Cliff, like they're just FRANKI and it.

438
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: How are these kids going to deal with it? Ultimately

439
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: it didn't work out. But Frankie was over at the

440
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: house and and they were telling me about this movie

441
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: Back to the Beach, and I just said, you know what,

442
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: I have some ideas for it, and I just you know,

443
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: I just punched up on my like it was like

444
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: a Apple two gs or something. Remember those old computers.

445
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was.

446
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: No final draft on that, let me tell you. So

447
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: I did punch up and then you know.

448
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: Down on that was Yeah, it was me. But it's

449
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: an unappreciated element of being being a child star in

450
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: the Disney system that was sort of exploitative where they

451
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: would have you, guys do this punch up for network

452
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: pilot and you didn't know any different.

453
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, No, I just thought that's how

454
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: it is.

455
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part of the job.

456
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know.

457
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: But they'd bring you in this back room and kind

458
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: of lock the door and say hey, like some candy.

459
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: If you do punch up on.

460
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: This, it's a horrible story about Britney Spears. I'm sorry

461
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: thinking about this. Britney Spears had to write she just

462
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: wanted to sing and dance. She's you know what I mean,

463
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: she's she's an entertainer and they put her in a

464
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: room fucking uh Jerry Stall and made her right three

465
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: episodes of alf She didn't know what she was doing.

466
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: Ultimately she won an Emmy, so it was nice, you

467
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

468
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: She wanted and that's what I think. I think that's

469
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: what drove Jerry Stall to spiral, knowing that it was

470
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: really really.

471
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: Britney Spears, that best stuff, and it's just it's just awful.

472
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: It was, you know, it's not it's not all glitz

473
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: and glamour. People people really think that it is. But no,

474
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: I we were forced to do punch up on shows.

475
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: We just wanted to sing and dance and entertain and

476
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: it's like we don't want to be let me taking

477
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: a child at a vulnerable age and making them a

478
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: faceless scribe, no offense to you guys, you know what

479
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean? Making them a faceless scribe. Brutal for scale,

480
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: for scale, and the other thing would offend me. No,

481
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: I just know that you have a lot of friends

482
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: that are, you know, writers and stuff. I don't want

483
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: to I don't want to.

484
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Be offended on their behalf.

485
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: Right ahead, do you do you keep up with those

486
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: with Brittany and Christina and and Timberlake and Steve Merchant

487
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: and those people.

488
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, justin Timberlake. I I saw it recently. He invited

489
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: me to a screening of some art film he's in.

490
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: I saw something. He I don't know what he's about

491
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: right now. He's just like, you know, it's a little

492
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: art films. Like, dude, just just sing and dance, just

493
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: sing and dance. Steven Merchant I see all the time,

494
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: y And you know he was It's so funny because

495
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: he was always the tallest in the Mickey Mouse Club,

496
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: even back then. He's very very tall. Ye and like

497
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: we used to we used to call it it's we

498
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: used to call him stretch.

499
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: Oh no, hey, stretch.

500
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: And he was like this, you know this like you know,

501
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: sort of mold mannered British and I see it. Yeah,

502
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: I guess so happy for his success now, I'm so

503
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: happy for him. He's really he's got a he's got

504
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: like a little cable show and he's doing great, and you.

505
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: All sort of went your separate ways. Uh, Carmel and

506
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: Anthony became a basketball star, yeah.

507
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: Which we all saw coming. You know, he was he

508
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: just he just like to play.

509
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: Uh uh.

510
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: That was amazing, Like no, because because what people don't

511
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: remember about Dov Charney on The Mickey Mouse Club is

512
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: how funny he was. You know, just you just had

513
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: an amazing sense of comic timing with adults, like you know,

514
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: like cause kids and kids being funny together. But that's easy,

515
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, kids know each other's rhythm.

516
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: But Dov Charney, if you can find it on YouTube,

517
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: Dov Charney, there is footage of him at seven years

518
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: old and he is with Don Rickles and he's just

519
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: I'll just say this, he makes Don Rickles look like

520
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 2: an amateur. Yeah, like cracking up Don Rickles and be

521
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: like I can't He's like, I can't believe this kid.

522
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: But and you read now about him like fingering his

523
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: employees and stuff like.

524
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: A classic DOV classic Dov Yeah, yeah, just one of

525
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: his Yeah, oh my god. When he was and you know,

526
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: I get it. It's like when he was a little kid,

527
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: and he would do that. It would be it was like, oh,

528
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: what do you do it? And stuff? He's sort of

529
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: you just got to know Dove to understand that.

530
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: And then Amy Fisher, right, that's a sad story. Was Yeah,

531
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: because she just wasn't very funny.

532
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: No, she just was talentless.

533
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: They put her on the show because she had gotten

534
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: famous in the whole.

535
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was, she was old. It was a weird choice.

536
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: It wasn't a great fit.

537
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't a great fit. Uh, you know, people don't

538
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: remember that she she she attempted to murder a woman

539
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: shot Joey Butterfucos what married but you shot her in

540
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: the face. Yeah, that was a misstep for Disney at

541
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: that point.

542
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: And it was like people too old were talking about her.

543
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: So that I can parlay this and I'm a.

544
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: Big believer in following the buzz. I really believe in buzz. Sure,

545
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, as you can see, buzz that does not

546
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: kill me, only makes me stronger. You see that tattooed.

547
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: Right there inside of your farm.

548
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, inside of buzz that does not kill me, only

549
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: makes me stronger. So I leave in the power of buzz.

550
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: But you have to have talent to back it up.

551
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, Amy Fisher had

552
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: two left feet.

553
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was exposed on that show.

554
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it just wasn't right for her. Maybe

555
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: there was another vehicle.

556
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: W I mean, I think she'd be a big YouTube

557
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: start nowadays.

558
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like a beauty guru today.

559
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 3: All you need is a friggin go pro and a

560
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: library subscription.

561
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: There's no pageantry in that kind of damn magazine subscription.

562
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. All do you get

563
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: some sort of like a us BE stick or something.

564
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't mess around with that stuff. It'll come and go.

565
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: But you type is a fad. I just I'll just

566
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, I don't care careful they're one of our

567
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: Oh I'm so sorry.

568
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: We'll take it.

569
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, cut that out.

570
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: But you and Andrew T left the group and joined

571
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: the Earwolf Family.

572
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, me Andrew T from the Yo This Racist podcast. Yeah,

573
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, we sort of broke out on Disney and

574
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: it was like the early Britney started to take off

575
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: with her thing, and Justin started to take off with

576
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: her thing, and me and Andrew were just sort of like,

577
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: what do we want to be pop stars. Admittedly we

578
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: were trying to be too like underground and to Indy.

579
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: So we got involved with Earwolf.

580
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: And it became a different kind.

581
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: It became like a different yeah, different kind of pop phenomenon.

582
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: We just I just didn't you got to grow up

583
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: at a certain point. And I've seen the things that

584
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: Christina Aguilera has done, I've seen the things that Bob

585
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: Balaban has done, just all the Disney kids, and and

586
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: I just go, oh, it's just sort of more of

587
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: the same. Like just you know, at a certain point,

588
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: be an adult, grow up, grow up at it, to

589
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: take the training wheels off.

590
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: Quit playing dress up and quit doing your teapot songs. Yeah,

591
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: and actually strap on a pair of head phones and

592
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: blow man. Yeah, make some make some hard art, make

593
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: some true art. And then and and that's what you've

594
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: been doing lately. Now you recently met, uh, you got

595
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: called in for a sit down with sort of the

596
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: next wave of young stardom. Yeah, grumpy Cat.

597
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, grumpy Cat. Uh, you know this was really this

598
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: was really fun. It was just fun.

599
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

600
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm very active on social media. Uh, to be honest

601
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: with you, I write a couple of the tweets myself. Yeah,

602
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: most of the I have some other people that write

603
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: the tweets for me. You know, there's a whole well.

604
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: When you've established a clear character, like yeah, exactly.

605
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that's.

606
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: The creative part of it. Yeah, anyone can then plug

607
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: in dialogue.

608
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

609
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: So I have a couple of these. You know, these

610
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: guys have funny Twitter names or whatever you like, you

611
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: dog at dog Moner or whatever at piss Hitler sixty nine.

612
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: It's just they're they're they're Twitter Normo's or whatever. Yeah,

613
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: and they write some some of the t But I

614
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: happen to be on on Twitter myself and I get

615
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: a tweet from grumpy Cat, and grumpy Cat says to me, Hey,

616
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: why don't you I'm a fan, I'm an admirer. I

617
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: would love to meet you. Now. This is a big

618
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: deal for me because grumpy Cat is hot right now.

619
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: But it's good to know that he's looking ahead like

620
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: he wants the kind of longevity that you some of these.

621
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: Young stars know their history.

622
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: That's what it was, Yeah, that's what it was. And

623
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: that's what impressed me is that grumpy Cat would reach

624
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: out and go, look, I don't want to make some

625
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: of the same mistakes that I've seen some of these

626
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: other kids make. I don't want to fall. You know,

627
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: I got a good thing going right here? How do

628
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: I stay on the course? So anyway, so I get

629
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: this tweet and it says, will you meet me at

630
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: a comic bookstore Meltdown Comics in Los Angeles Monday night,

631
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: seven pm. Now, I I say that's the thing. I

632
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: was like, what a fun, funky event, what a Funneah,

633
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: guess I'm a big nerd. Then, yeah, I guess I'm

634
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: a big nerd.

635
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: Guys like I mean, Frank Miller I think is like

636
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: one of the all time art genius.

637
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: And also at this point, when guys like us are

638
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: reading these things and just loving the worlds they create,

639
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well maybe I'm a nerd, but I

640
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: got an awful lot of money and pussy.

641
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: For a nerd.

642
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much.

643
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

644
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: Would a nerd be fucking this? No, no, it wouldn't.

645
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: I just for home listeners, Jake's pointing at a really

646
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: hot piece of ass.

647
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a really you can just thank you for

648
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: you know, you're sweet. Just go out, just go out

649
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: on the couch. Do you have like a you have

650
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: like an iPad she can play with? Do you like

651
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 2: use your iPads?

652
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: We've got like a Windows tablet.

653
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: Okay, great, it's like, sweetie, it's a surface. It's a

654
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: s same thing. It's I don't know how to fucking

655
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: work it. It's the same.

656
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 5: Fuck it.

657
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: Just I'll be out. I'm sorry. Sorry, she's so sweet.

658
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: She is so sweet. Anyway. Yeah, fucking comics are cool,

659
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: all right. Maybe being maybe being a nerd is the

660
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: new cool. That's all I know. Sure, that's all I know.

661
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: So anyway, so the cat wants you made it a

662
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: comic book store. I think that's funky. I think that's

663
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: just a funky event because it's like, well, you know,

664
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: people are going to show up. We're talking about this

665
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: on social media, you know what I mean. So I

666
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: don't call ahead to melt down the comics or whatever.

667
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: But they know they're prepared, and they got like security

668
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: and stuff, and there's already a mob of people yeah waiting. Uh.

669
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: And then it gets to be like, you know, I'm

670
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: supposed to meet this cat at like seven o'clock, seven o' one.

671
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: No cat, no grumpy cat. So I get right on

672
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: Twitter I'm like, hey, grumpy Cat, it is seven oh

673
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: one pm. Where are you? It says, Kat tweets me

674
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: back one minute way traffic. I understand it's hard to

675
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: get her. Cat walks in. We have this great uh,

676
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: this great meeting, this great meeting, and it was just

677
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: it was just one of those great Hollywood moments. It

678
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: was really just one of those great Hollywood moments.

679
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: A passing of the torch, passing of the.

680
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: Torch, passing of the torch, and and it was great.

681
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: I had a nice chat with Grumpy Cat's manager. Uh,

682
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 2: who's in who's in an interesting world? Who's an indust

683
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: manages grumpy Cat, manages.

684
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: Keyboard, unique space, yeah.

685
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: Unique space, yeah, uh manages the Nie Cat, which is uh,

686
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: which is interesting because it's a gift, you know, so

687
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money to be made there. And uh,

688
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: you know, we're just now we're just talking about just

689
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: different ways that we could work together. Uh you know,

690
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: I uh, you know, they sent me the script for

691
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: this Grumpy Cat movie, and honestly, they went a completely

692
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: different way with it. I would think, let's do a

693
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 2: lighthearted sort of family thing. This it's a fucking uh

694
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's touched upon in The Moon be Goodfellas

695
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: the tons of heistuh Loftons. I'm not pronouncing it right.

696
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm not to tell you, okay, but they

697
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: they touch upon it in Goodfel's. But that was a

698
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: real heist. It was a real heist. And what they're

699
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: you know, I guess Grumpy Cat and we'll talk about this,

700
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: wants to do dramatic work and it's is uh the

701
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: seventies heist film which David Russell's attached to. And look,

702
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: I ultimately again a lot of moving parts to get

703
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: a movie made. I don't know that it's gonna happen,

704
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: but I would go with the family.

705
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: These young guys, they want to shed that skin as

706
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: soon as possible, right like America's Sweetheart or whatever. They

707
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: want to be taken seriously want to.

708
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: I just you know, that's one of the projects that

709
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: that Grumpy Cat's got going on. There's there's talk of

710
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: this of some sort of Lars von Treer collaboration, and

711
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: I get and I get again I get it, but

712
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: it's like I I want to sit down with Grumpy

713
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: Cat and be like, hey, what are you fucking allergic

714
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: to money? Like what what's m okay, Oh you want

715
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: to you want to go to the con Film Fest.

716
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: Well just go to the con Film Fest. Well you

717
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: got money.

718
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: The thing I say to these kids they want to

719
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: do the Lars One True thing and like really push

720
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: the envelope or whatever. I mean, My message to them is,

721
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: once the bing bong comes out, you can't put it

722
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: back in.

723
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: Thank you.

724
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: You know, I take it from an age of Instagram.

725
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: I get it.

726
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: I did it. I did it. I mean the movie

727
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: I made in nineteen ninety nine with Harmony Koreed, where

728
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: I just, uh, I just it was just me, fucking

729
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: Santa Claus. You know, it's just me. You know it's

730
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: not And it was amazing to work with U. With

731
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: Jack Palletts, it was it was you know, he's a

732
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: he's a legend. Yeah, but ultimately I got wrapped up

733
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: in Harmony's weird thing it was, and it didn't it

734
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: didn't buy me any credibility or do.

735
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: And what I would say to Grumpy Cat and some

736
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: of these other young guns, yeah, make sure you know

737
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: the rules before you try to break the rules.

738
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

739
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: You know, do a cookie cutter holiday film first or

740
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: something like that. We know you're grumpy, but also but

741
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: also let's have a couple laughs and then yeah, go

742
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: do your bloodbath movie.

743
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: Look you look at the Sandman. Okay, and the Sandman

744
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: he did, Uh, Billy Madison, you did Happy Gilmore.

745
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: For a second, I thought you were talking about the

746
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: Sandman comics, because I'm that is I can't believe you

747
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: know that that is one of the cool channeling something.

748
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: What they can't make that movie?

749
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: Man, what an amazing good I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt.

750
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean talk about Sandler, but just that Neil.

751
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: Gaiman creates a dream world and.

752
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: Truly truly does.

753
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: He's there's just some people who are just artists and

754
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: and and it's like I don't even know what you're doing,

755
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: but I just I love that you're doing it. Sandler

756
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: did Happy, you know, Happy all more, you know Billy

757
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: Madison those week and then he goes and foks off

758
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: and does the Paul Thomas Anderson thing. Drink Glove. He

759
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: earned it at that, he gotten his money, He'd earned it.

760
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, forget the money. He showed everyone

761
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: what he could do before he went out and you know,

762
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: sort of broke the mold you gotta make the mold

763
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: before you break the mold.

764
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: The Dice man did. He waited until he was in

765
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: his sixties to do is uh thank you. Yeah, it

766
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: was woody movie. Yeah. This year, I uh, I had.

767
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: An interesting experience on the set of of Ford Fairlane.

768
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: They I was. I was in the movie and originally

769
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: the character of Ford Fairlane Dice. DICE's here, he had

770
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: a son. He had a son, and I was sort

771
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: of like, it was fun because I was a little

772
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: kid and I was using some of the same language

773
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: in the same mannerisms as Dice. You know, this was

774
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: about ten years old, and I'm just.

775
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, but in a much higher pitch.

776
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

777
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: I was like, oh it was, which made it cuter,

778
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Huh it was. It was

779
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: just it's just when you have a little kid, that's uh,

780
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: you know, emulating the behavior of adults. It's funny.

781
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that moment, and you're very honest about it.

782
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: But when you're smoking that cigarette, but then you chew

783
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: it and blow a bubble with it, thank you.

784
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that.

785
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: I've never really seen that before, you could tell you.

786
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know that that experience was was really

787
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: great because I got to bond with dice and I

788
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: actually sort of tried my hand at a stand up

789
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: tried I tried my hand well, I mean I was

790
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: just doing it.

791
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: I did a little more than that.

792
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: I did well. They were come on, it was only

793
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: like three thousand seat venues or whatever.

794
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: It was.

795
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: It on the level of the Dice Man. It was just,

796
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: you know, like Dice Man would be at madison'squre Garden.

797
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: I'd be at the you know, Felt form the theater

798
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: at Madison Square. But but I was wearing my heroes

799
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 2: on my sleeve too much. And I don't think that

800
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: it is you know when you see a twelve year

801
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: old kid in a red leather suit and it's just like, hey, delirious,

802
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: much like it was just I was just wearing my

803
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: my influences.

804
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: You're running around like mispronouncing the N word in kind

805
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: of a cute way.

806
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, just am I like, there are certain things I

807
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: look back on in my child and I'm just embarrassed

808
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: by Sure, I'm just like that.

809
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: But at the time it was I don't know, if

810
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: it's no.

811
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 2: It doesn't hold up. I'm not too proud to admit

812
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: that that stuff does not It was.

813
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: These times and we were having fun. Yeah, but you know,

814
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I would say that's in the past. You've moved on

815
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: from that. Yeah, you've got something.

816
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: You're here. You have a.

817
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: CBS sitcom coming out next fall, The Fogy's Nest.

818
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

819
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Three elderly victims of the recent man session. Yeah, get

820
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: a condo together and get really into.

821
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: We start a revenge porn business.

822
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: Thank you.

823
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: Yes, we start a revenge porn business, which is uh.

824
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: The best way to chip away.

825
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big man session. These guys are you know,

826
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: they're older guys. We all end up together. I was

827
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: working at a startup, you know that just you know,

828
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: start up more like shut down. It was like, you know,

829
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: that's one of the jokes in the pilot and thank you.

830
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: Uh and uh my startup goes belly up. These guys

831
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: are all, you know, corporate guys, you know, General Electric, Halliburton.

832
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: You know, they had careers and stuff, but you know

833
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: they were either forced into retirement because they got too

834
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: old or just it.

835
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: Just where women took their jobs.

836
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: Women took their jobs. So so we get together and

837
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: we start a revenge porn business, which is called it's

838
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: show that Bitch dot Com. Yeah, and what it is,

839
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: it's like if you are, you know, slighted, if your

840
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: guy and stuff, maybe you took some sexy photos of

841
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: your girlfriend you meet. Maybe you didn't. Maybe it's just

842
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: maybe it's uh a girl you go to high school

843
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: with uh, and you hack her email and you and

844
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: she you know what I mean. We don't care how

845
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: we get the photos because honestly, it's users submitted. We're

846
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 2: not legally liable for anything. We start this revenge porn

847
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: business and it takes off. It just becomes like the

848
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: biggest thing.

849
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: It's really satisfying that you're not really sure whether or

850
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: not it's going to go. Yeah, and then when it

851
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: does blow up, it's really fun because it's.

852
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: One picture that just breaks it wide open and you're

853
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: and it's such a great idea for show because you're

854
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: tying it in with your actual revenge porn side.

855
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. Yeah, it's I I started that thing

856
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: as a hobby. You know. I'm sort of like Ashton

857
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: Kutcher in that way. Is I love tech. I love technology,

858
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: and I love brainstorming. It's just like there's nothing better,

859
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: and I'm a shutterbug.

860
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: That is the next. It's it's what's next. Ye, it

861
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: really is. That is right around the corner. You can

862
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: hear the little footsteps that is coming. It's in a big,

863
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: big way.

864
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: I agree.

865
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 3: It's going to change a lot of stuff and it's

866
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: on its way to doing that.

867
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: I just, uh, you know, I I love I love gadgets. Yeah,

868
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

869
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: So cool.

870
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: It's just like again, a lot of people think, you know,

871
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: you call me a nerd, but when like a new

872
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: son No system comes out, I gotta have it right away,

873
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, or the new iPhone or whatever.

874
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: I just you know, And thankfully I'm in a position

875
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna wait on the line with all

876
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: those you know, people and stuff. Thankfully I'm a position

877
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: where usually they just send me it, you know, they

878
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: just send me it.

879
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: Sure.

880
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: So I love gadgetry, and I love brainstorming, and I

881
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: love a webinar, and I love you know, just getting

882
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: in there and just sort of like thinking outside of

883
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: the box with some of these great tech minds. Yes,

884
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: and you know, so as a hobby. As a hobby,

885
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: I had a couple of guys I said, listen, this.

886
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: What if there's a website we're a guy and like

887
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: just like a because we all get there, we're all angry.

888
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: What if there's a website where a guy can I

889
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: don't know, upload a photo of some dummy that he uh,

890
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, tricked.

891
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And I really I appreciate you fighting

892
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: back a little bit because you see it in your show,

893
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: But it is really true. I'm seeing Ellen Barkin a

894
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: little bit every every now and then, and sometimes she'll

895
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: stay over and now come downstairs and she'll be like,

896
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: where's my breakfast? And I just kind of look there

897
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: was a camera there. I look right at it and

898
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: just be like, what is like is the world like

899
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: gone completely crazy? Like this is upside down?

900
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: I don't know you're dating Ellen? Market see her?

901
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she talked about you.

902
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interest.

903
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: She's a nice she's a nice woman. But it's not

904
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: and it's not just her. It's like her.

905
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: First at first, she's nice.

906
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, people have told me that I'm enjoying you know,

907
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: we're just having fun, honestly, like keep it like we're

908
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: just we're having a good time. She would say the

909
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 3: same thing. It's not it's not say.

910
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: It's just you're just like, we're we're we're.

911
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: Just having a good time right now, she starts sound nice.

912
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: It's turned after a while, it turns.

913
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 3: Again, have fun? Enjoy it? Well, yeah, but it's true.

914
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: Then they're and they're going to jobs and there.

915
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: What it is is there's something satisfying for I think

916
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: for the for the end user of the website when

917
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: they put up a photograph of you know, some girl

918
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: that they were with and you know she's in a

919
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: state of undress. There's something so satisfying for the end

920
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: user the website if they know, oh my god, that

921
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: photo is her boss is going to see it, parents

922
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: are going to see it, her friends, her family, everyone.

923
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: She's going to be embarrassed.

924
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: And she deserves it because she committed a sexual act.

925
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: Remember that.

926
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for the end user. That is a

927
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: invaluable experience. How do you put a price on that?

928
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: How do you put a price on it?

929
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: But you have managed.

930
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: I've managed. Yeah, and uh, you know the ad and

931
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: it's it's so great when it's just a little hobby.

932
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that thing is you know, making me I'll

933
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: tell you this, I'm making more off of the actual

934
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: revenge porn site than I am off of the show.

935
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?

936
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: And that should tell you everything about the state of

937
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: our industry today.

938
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: It's like how with Glee they had the they sell

939
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: their songs the concerts.

940
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

941
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: You have your songs in your porn site.

942
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's it's unbelievable. Every day I feel blessed.

943
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: We do want to reach into the popcorn gallery, just

944
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: for sure, just for a minute, we have some some

945
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: user submitted questions for you. Okay, let's let's let's reach

946
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: deep inside this this bag of popcorn. So I ripped

947
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: the bout of the bag, the popcorns falling out.

948
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, it's like Michael Winslow.

949
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a question. We did speak on this

950
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier, that you are part of the

951
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: Earwoll family with us. Yeah, this is a question from

952
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: a hag Plant parmese Alyx, and that question is, Jake,

953
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 3: what do you think your part is in the third

954
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: wave podcast movement and how do you deal with the

955
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: internal Earwolf politics. I know you have a lot of

956
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: a lot of thoughts on this.

957
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. First of all, I don't think third

958
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: wave podcasting gets talked about a lot.

959
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: And I'm always tack on that.

960
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always happy just because you have the the CB.

961
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

962
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: The first wave podcasting, which was essentially Yes Citizens Band Radio,

963
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: which was you know, charming. It was charming and it

964
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: was sort of the first sort of ways that we realized, oh,

965
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: anybody can communicate with anybody over the over the open airwaves.

966
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: And you know, I remember being enamored with that when

967
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: I when I was a kid.

968
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: And being into like Trucker comedy trucker.

969
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like you know, everybody had their trucker name.

970
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: Wheeze Flogger, sure, Donnie Dave, Dave, boat Show, just cool

971
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: trucker names. Everybody had one. Mine was big Jacket, Big

972
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: Jacket because you always had the big jacket, right.

973
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: Part of it was.

974
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: Jake bagel Nuts.

975
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Jake begel Nuts.

976
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: That's a that's a movie giving myself away.

977
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: Thank you, I thank you for that.

978
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: But I was Jake begel Nuts anyway.

979
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 2: Uh, you know that was sort of like so that's

980
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: first wave podcasting, Okay, second wave podcasting, the tech boom,

981
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You're guys like you, your

982
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: guys like Adam Curry, the original troll, the original patent troll.

983
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, man, I was on MTV. These guys

984
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: don't own MTV dot com. I'm gonna buy that, you know,

985
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: which is great. It's a troll. I love it. I

986
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: love trolling. I love online troll culture. I love it.

987
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 3: It's really fun fun.

988
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: So uh so guys like doing that. And that's just

989
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: a bunch of you know, tech guys talking to other

990
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: tech guys. You know, it was all podcasts about podcasts

991
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know, like, hey, how do we get

992
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: this out to people? How does this work? Bet boop

993
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: boop boop. I'm a nerd, like real nerd stuff, not

994
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: like cool nerd stuff like we're talking about like comic

995
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 2: books and.

996
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: Not like reach comics and like the cool not.

997
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: Cool Internet like yeah, like if you you know what

998
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: I mean, all those things.

999
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably don't know about that.

1000
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's underground internet, human and stuff. It's like

1001
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: it's it's fun and cool anyway. But then what happened

1002
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: is you know those you know, on the backs of

1003
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: those you know, true nerds, podcasting became like a thing,

1004
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: and third wave podcasting is where you got you know,

1005
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: seven or eight of the best alternative comedians, and they

1006
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: just go on each other's podcasts, you know, just like, Hey, Kumil, Uh,

1007
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: it's me, Doug Benson, come on my show. Hey, Doug Benson.

1008
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: It's Uh, it's Kumail. Come on my show. Hey, it's

1009
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: Scott Ackerman. Uh, what are you doing today?

1010
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 7: Paul F.

1011
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: Tompkins, come on my show. Hey, it's Paul F. Tompkins.

1012
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: What are you doing today? Larry the Cable Guy, come

1013
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: on my show. Hey, Larry the King. You know, it's

1014
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: just like it's it's it's and I you know, with

1015
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: my background, you know who my dad is. I was

1016
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: able to muscle my way in and say, hey, you

1017
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: guys want this thing to take off, This little little

1018
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: nebulous that you have. It's real cute. Some dudes on

1019
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: the A. V Club or whatever they know about it.

1020
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: You want to you want to bring some real heat,

1021
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: bring some real attention to it. You need to bring

1022
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: in somebody in the in the Hollywood mainstream. Yes, and they,

1023
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: you know, we all got together at Adam Carolla's house

1024
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: and Adam was like, you know, he's right, He's right.

1025
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: It's I know, it's a little bit impression. He's right.

1026
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: Were we need somebody to take this to the next level.

1027
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: That's Matt Besser. He then jumped in and said, we

1028
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: need someone to take this to the next level. And

1029
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: mayren A reed and it was just sort of you know,

1030
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: he he was just like, he's like, lock unlock the gates.

1031
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: We gotta get a we should get foggal nests in

1032
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: here to take this to the next level. Okay, yeah,

1033
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: And it was just sort of and then and then

1034
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: there you have it. Third Way podcasting is born. What's

1035
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: my role on it? Then Mother Gatekeeper Patton Osweald talks

1036
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: about the gatekeepers and uh, you know there you know,

1037
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: there aren't any anymore. It's like we were in this.

1038
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: It's all a democracy and stuff. Everybody can put anything online.

1039
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: It is true. Anyone can be successful whenever they want.

1040
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 2: Anybody, Yes, anybody, you know. But there are secret gatekeepers.

1041
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: You know, I think you know we we we know

1042
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: that there are secret gatekeepers. And I'm proud to be

1043
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: one of the sea.

1044
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: And Patten doesn't know about him because we don't want him.

1045
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: No, we don't want to know.

1046
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: We want him thinking that that we don't exist. The

1047
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 3: gates are the gates are should be safe for me

1048
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: to walk in here, go.

1049
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: Right over there, and then yeah, I'll put.

1050
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: A little more, put yourself a lot more. Pay no

1051
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 3: attention to the man behind the cursion.

1052
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: No, but seriously, you know, cle put your specials out

1053
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: for five dollars. That's not go have fun do it

1054
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 2: five bucks? It's yeah, really, yeah, how about this ten dollars?

1055
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: How about that? They don't even they're not even thinking

1056
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: that far ahead. They're not even thinking that far ahead.

1057
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: It's not time yet, not time. Well, well, Jack Jake,

1058
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: this has been very enlightened.

1059
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: What a conversation from a real lifer in the in

1060
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 3: the business. I just we just appreciate it so much.

1061
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: I feel blessed. You know, I wake up every morning

1062
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: and I just feel Hold on a second, did.

1063
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: You break it?

1064
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: Did you break you? Fucking guys? I'm sorry, I don't

1065
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 2: know what poor like coffee.

1066
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: I've got a box of them.

1067
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: You got, okay, because I'm happy to get you the one, okay, Yeah,

1068
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: I'll get you. I'll just get you. I'll just get you, guys.

1069
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: A couple of the Microsoft surfaces fucking spilled coffee all

1070
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: over it.

1071
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: It was hot.

1072
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: Embarrassed, said she knows she's hot, that's all.

1073
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: No. I think she shook a sip of the coffee

1074
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: thinking it was cold. I was watching you thought it

1075
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: was cold, and then she spit it out.

1076
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 3: She was scared.

1077
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she should be scared. I have fun.

1078
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: So, uh the thanks fun, So thanks so much for

1079
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: coming by Jake and and uh it's been great.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Rate us on iTunes, like us on Facebook. Please do

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Speaker 1: buy the pro version. The pro version purchaser last week

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Speaker 1: was hug Life and he's gonna get a special gift

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Speaker 1: from Jake Fogelness right now. It's uh, it's sitting right

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Speaker 1: out there. Yeah it's I'm getting a wrath, thank you,

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Speaker 1: but it is. Jake is gonna give you your new

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Speaker 1: CBE radio name. Yeah. Uh so he's gonna lay that

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Speaker 1: on your Hug Life.

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Speaker 2: Should I do it right now? Please, Hug Life. Your

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Speaker 2: new CBE radio name is doctor Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Podcast. So that's a great prize. So by the

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Speaker 1: pro version, rate us on iTunes, like us on Facebook,

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Speaker 1: coming in the forums, and keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Friends. Bye.

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Speaker 7: This has been an Earwolf Media production executive producers Jeff

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Speaker 7: Lrick and Scott Ackerman. For more information, visit Earwolf dot com.

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