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Speaker 1: how do you? How do you plan to make all

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Speaker 1: of your many crimes? Right? Look, I start by my

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Speaker 1: So thanks so much for having me, Um, And of course,

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Speaker 1: that's my task today as a guest on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I read about your your your rebranding of war crimes

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Speaker 1: and that very wife's column, and I just thought, very brave,

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Speaker 1: very brave Barry. Actually it's Bari, So my best friend.

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Speaker 1: He refuses to learn her name. That's a nice way

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Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald's Um. This is the podcast about bad People.

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Speaker 1: Tell you all about him, Miles. It's part three of

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Speaker 1: our of our series Thomas, How you doing? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: We took a little breaky for us. Yeah, good, it

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Speaker 1: you love products, don't you, m And do you happen

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Speaker 1: to like services? Oh? My god? Oh yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: ship that That's what gets my nipples hard. Is a

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Speaker 1: good old fashioned service, A couple of products with it anyway,

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Speaker 1: service lord, get your nipples hard with these ads. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're bad. Hi, everybody, how's it going. So we've got

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Speaker 1: Robert Bork dogshit Judge Ronald Reagan nominates this man to

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Speaker 1: be a Supreme Court justice, and Senator Ted Kennedy, uh

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Speaker 1: the number two Ted k and this podcast takes to

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Speaker 1: the Senate floor to warn that putting Burke on the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court would mean an into row versus weight and

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Speaker 1: a return to segregated lunch counters. He said that if

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Speaker 1: Burke were appointed, quote, the doors of the federal courts

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Speaker 1: would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens

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Speaker 1: for whom the judiciary is and is often the only

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Speaker 1: protector of the individual rights that are at the heart

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Speaker 1: of our democracy now. In addition to being a howling fascist,

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Speaker 1: Bork was a pretty well respected law guy in log

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Speaker 1: eye circles, because log i circles are mostly made up

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Speaker 1: of assholes. He had taught it Yale. His students had

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Speaker 1: included Bill and Hillary Clinton, as well as Anita Hill

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Brown. Um. Many on the right were very

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Speaker 1: much fans of his Circuit court rulings, which included Droninberg Vzek,

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00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: where he and Justice Scalia. This is before Scalia was

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Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. Either had ruled that there was

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Speaker 1: no right to privacy that protected the right to have

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Speaker 1: homosexual sex. During a case over prayer in school, in

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Speaker 1: reference to a Jewish person who was forced to engage

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Speaker 1: in Christian prayer, Robert Bourke said, so what, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he got over it. He's like, yeah, bad judge. I

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Speaker 1: would say, not my kind of judge. You know who,

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Speaker 1: My kind of judges That judge from the who framed

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Speaker 1: Roger Rabbit. That's a good judge. I support. Now. I look, Miles.

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Speaker 1: For years and years I've been saying that the primary

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Speaker 1: crisis we as a society have is the expansion of Tunetown,

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Speaker 1: and I I agree we have to get rid of

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Speaker 1: those tunes. Miles. Oh, absolutely, we've got to turin their asses.

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Speaker 1: The thing is the people, The I guess, if you

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Speaker 1: want to call them, people that live in Tunetown are

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Speaker 1: sitting on such a bed of resources that they are

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Speaker 1: on able to use properly. And that's right, properly because

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Speaker 1: they're so I don't want to say on advance, they're

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Speaker 1: so primitive, right, and I think they're better Thank you

468
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Speaker 1: for saying, yeah, I think they're better off being relocated.

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Speaker 1: I agree as properly. Yeah, yeah, exactly tons of desert. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: this is a distermination of cartoons podcast Um who supports

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Speaker 1: what's his name? I forget the name of the judge

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Speaker 1: in that movie. It's played by Doc Brown. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you all know. So the nineteen eighties of the first decade,

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Speaker 1: also the decade in which we get who framed Roger Rabbit?

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Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, um, are the first decade in

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Speaker 1: which Supreme Court hearings uh like aur a thing Baron

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Speaker 1: von Rotten, judge Doom, there you go, thank you. So

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Speaker 1: we don't really have like public hearings for Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: justices prior to the eighties, UM, and in fact, prior

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Speaker 1: to the eighties, it had been pretty uncommon for Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court nominees to like go before the Senate and answer

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Speaker 1: questions at all. Um. Bork is the first nominee ever

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Speaker 1: to get a televised Senate hearing, which doesn't make things

484
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: better because maybe it's bad to do stuff like this.

485
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Speaker 1: Maybe it inherently turns it into like a media circus

486
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Speaker 1: that that like puts it to the worst impulses of everybody,

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Speaker 1: but whatever, um. So, the first America's first experience like

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Speaker 1: watching a Supreme Court like nomination hearing, uh is seeing

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Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy like go after Robert Bork while he's up

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Speaker 1: in front of the Senate UM. And by October. You

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Speaker 1: know the thing, The good thing about this is by

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Speaker 1: October a majority of Americans opposed borks nomination, so he

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Speaker 1: actually he comes in probably having the job locked down,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that this is all televised means that

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Speaker 1: most people are like, oh, this guy's a fucking maniac.

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Speaker 1: So I guess you could say then that part that

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Speaker 1: the televised Supreme Court hearings we're a good thing. He

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Speaker 1: gets rejected on October twenty three, by a vote of

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Speaker 1: fifty eight to forty two. But here's where the problem

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Speaker 1: comes in. The right cries foul, which they do whenever

501
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: anything happens, even when they get their way, because it

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00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: consistently works for them. Now, in their minds, Bork had

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00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: been unfairly pilloried, subject to the political equivalent of a

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Speaker 1: mob beating um. There are comparisons to a lynch mob, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Robert Bourke probably thinks is fine um

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Speaker 1: because he's that guy. Uh. And But whatever the fact case,

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Speaker 1: the sense of grievance over Bork's nomination gets burned deep

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Speaker 1: into the conservative soul um and it is it is

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Speaker 1: still smoldering a few years later in nineteen when a

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Speaker 1: woman named Florence Kennedy tells a National Organization of Women

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Speaker 1: conference that when it comes to Clarence Thomas, who is

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Speaker 1: the next Supreme Court nominee, quote, we're going to bork him.

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Speaker 1: We're going to kill him politically for this little creep.

514
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Speaker 1: Where did he come from? So that is how borking

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Speaker 1: becomes a thing that people talk about. Also, love the

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Speaker 1: troll job that we got out of that because he

517
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Speaker 1: was like no one has privacy rights. And then they're like,

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Speaker 1: here's your video rental history, and they're like, because no

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Speaker 1: one has privacy rights right, And then there then we

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Speaker 1: get like the Video Privacy Act out of that too.

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Speaker 1: He's just the gift that keeps on giving. He is,

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Speaker 1: he is. We've gotten everything, Thank you, Clarence. So since then,

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Speaker 1: according to box quote. In January two thousand one, The

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Speaker 1: New York Times even featured a chart of quote likely

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Speaker 1: bor keys and their probable score on the Borkometer, referring

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Speaker 1: to political nominees for high level positions within the Bush administration.

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Speaker 1: John Ashcroft, for instance, received nine borks. Now you might

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Speaker 1: note that John Ashcroft did not get borked. Most of

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Speaker 1: these guys don't. It's it's just like a term that

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Speaker 1: gets us, probably because bork is fun. It is fun

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Speaker 1: to say, fun to type bork. I get it. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you're you're a New York Times columnists, most of

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Speaker 1: your job is going to be pretty pretty dull, and

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Speaker 1: you get to use the word bork. You know why not?

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Speaker 1: You know what I just realized, there's I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: in four year old virgin that's what Steve Carell's says

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Speaker 1: when he's playing the poker game and he's trying like

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Speaker 1: lying about being a virgin. They're like you are you

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Speaker 1: a versions like no, I've born plenty of women. And

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Speaker 1: Seth Rogan's like, you've borked just like this one line

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Speaker 1: and yeah, maybe in a minute that I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: always just thought of it. I'm like, wow, are you

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Speaker 1: getting is Steve Currel showing is like forty year old

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Speaker 1: like eighties brain credit there? Okay, so he's appreciate he's

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Speaker 1: thinking about has that movie aged? Is that is that one?

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Speaker 1: Is that one still good? Or is that one? Feel

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Speaker 1: great about? Flawless flawless flawless flaws That's that's good just

548
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: like other classic films. Uh, you don't need to talk

549
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: about Jim Carrey's ubra. So Borking is now viewed as

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Speaker 1: a widely used practice among both Republicans and Democrats, although

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Speaker 1: it generally means attempting to bring down a high level

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Speaker 1: candidate with quote personal attacks on something seemingly irrelevant to

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Speaker 1: their jobs, even though that's not what anyone did to

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Speaker 1: Bork because the attacks were extremely relevant to the fact

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Speaker 1: that he was basically a fascist, like food have been

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Speaker 1: more relevant to the guy Bork was these attacks. Um.

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Speaker 1: But for example, Bill Clinton's first choice for Attorney General,

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Speaker 1: Zoe Baird, was borked in ninety three when news came

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Speaker 1: out that she had hired an undocumented immigrant as nanny

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Speaker 1: for her children. Uh, and her nomination gets withdrawn, Which

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Speaker 1: is I guess a borking if you're talking about it

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Speaker 1: being irrelevant, um, because I don't know. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that has a lot to do with it unless she's

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Speaker 1: like super anti undocumented immigration, in which case than it

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Speaker 1: is relevant. But I don't think she was so. But again,

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Speaker 1: it's also like, hold on, like, how many of your

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Speaker 1: businesses are doing the same thing? Well, nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: answer that question, Miles, Yes, exactly. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: It's don't do as I do, just as I say. So.

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Speaker 1: The largest political consequence of the borking of Robert Bork

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Speaker 1: was that the the Reagan administration UH massively let down

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Speaker 1: the right wing of the Republican Party right because Bork.

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Speaker 1: They fucking love Bork. Like, the fucking wing nuts are

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00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: all about this guy and he doesn't get in and

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00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: they feel like Reagan didn't fight enough for him, right,

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Speaker 1: They feel like the rhinos let them down and didn't

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Speaker 1: push this guy. So Reagan does get another justice in it.

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Speaker 1: I forget exactly which fucking one it is, but they're

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Speaker 1: not a lunatic um. And so the right wing gets

580
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Speaker 1: very angry about that and this, yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: was Kennedy um. And so conservatives start to feel like, well,

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Speaker 1: we're owed a right wing justice. We didn't get what

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Speaker 1: we are owed, and that, my man, is where Clarence

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Speaker 1: Thomas comes again, say too, or the make good for

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Speaker 1: Bork is Clarence Thomas. Yeah. We feel like we deserve

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Speaker 1: a guy who hates civil rights and wants to turn

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Speaker 1: the clock back a hundred years, and we wanted this

588
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Speaker 1: like howling white nationalist, but instead we'll take Clarence Thomas. Yeah,

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00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: and now you got Neil Bork and Bork Cavanaugh, Amy

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Speaker 1: Can Bork and Pork Barrett and I don't know, I

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00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I think if I made a joke about

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Speaker 1: borking them, it would probably wind up getting us on

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Speaker 1: some lists. Sophie, Yeah, Hi, Hi, how you doing getting

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Speaker 1: on some lists? And the sick nightclubs excellent? So we

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Speaker 1: should probably talk a little bit now about the man

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas replaced on the Supreme Court with the borking.

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Speaker 1: That's it. You got it out of your system. I did, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I got it out of here. I made

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Speaker 1: a lot of actionable threats in my basement before coming

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Speaker 1: up here. So we're we're fine, okay, cool, cool, cool,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, and now we're moving on to somebody that's

602
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Speaker 1: really awesome or yeah. Third Good Marshall was pretty pretty based, actually, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: pretty dope. Also of what you said earlier, Robert, when

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Speaker 1: you're talking, you threatened Scotus and he said, I'm coming

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Speaker 1: for all of you. Call me Ernest bork nine. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. I did say that. Miles, Um,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go, man. Hilarious. Third Good Marshal number one,

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Speaker 1: probably the best name of judge has ever had. That's

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Speaker 1: a judge name. Like if you're like a third grade

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Speaker 1: teacher and a kid comes into your class named third

611
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Speaker 1: Good Marshal, you're like, well, that motherfucker's gonna become a judge, right,

612
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Speaker 1: Like that's basically like what you're not. You don't get

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Speaker 1: to be. You don't get to be Third Good Marshal

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Speaker 1: and be like, I don't know um like a like

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Speaker 1: a like a like a chemistry teacher, or like a

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Speaker 1: like a even you couldn't be like a nurse Third

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Speaker 1: Good Marshal, Like if I win with the hospital and

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Speaker 1: I I came across a nurse named third Good Marshall.

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Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here. You're supposed to be

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Speaker 1: a judge going get good into a courtroom. Well night,

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Speaker 1: you're selling me n f T S No, Ma, get

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Speaker 1: your ass in some robes. That ship's a judge's name.

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Speaker 1: Um so pretty cool guy, they're Good Marshall. The year

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Speaker 1: after Clarence Thomas starts public school, Marshall is the lawyer

625
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Speaker 1: who wins Brown versus the Board of Edgucation, which is

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Speaker 1: one of the most consequential cases in legal history anywhere

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Speaker 1: in the world. H Marshal the great grandson of an

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Speaker 1: enslaved person himself. Whence goes through the public education system,

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Speaker 1: Unlike Thomas, he spends his entire education in segregated school,

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Speaker 1: so he actually like goes lives in entirely under segregation

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Speaker 1: as like a person who's being educated as a kid.

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Speaker 1: He gets his law degree in nineteen thirty three from

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Speaker 1: Howard University, and he becomes a litigator for the Double

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Speaker 1: A CP. In Brown, his most famous case, he argued r. E.

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Speaker 1: Segregation that quote, this court should make it clear that

636
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Speaker 1: it is not what our Constitution stands for. He was

637
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: a believer in the Constitution as a living document, one

638
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: that could be used to push for greater equality and

639
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: liberty for all. As a lawyer for the Double a CP,

640
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Marshall won several landmark Supreme Court cases. In Smith v.

641
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: All Right, he helped overturn long standing rules that made

642
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: it illegal for black people to vote in party primary

643
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: elections in certain states that used to be legal for

644
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: parties like there the party and like whatever state to

645
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: be like no, no no, no, we don't. You guys don't

646
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: get to vote in the primaries. Only white people can

647
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: vote in the primaries. Um. In Shelley v. Kramer, he

648
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: forced the Court to rule against laws that restricted non

649
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: white people from purchasing homes and specific neighborhoods, And in

650
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: Sweat the Painter, he got the Court to rule that

651
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: universities could not reject applicants based on race, all of

652
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: which is like pretty cool ship, um, and also like

653
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: it's just wild to like these aren't complex illegal arguments

654
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, how about like we don't do this

655
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: ship And they're like this seems racist as fun, And

656
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: everybody says, wow, you are the first person to say

657
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: that in the United States Council. What is your argument

658
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: that this is racist trash? Uh? Okay, we're very pro

659
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: racist trash. So and see that's the fucking problem. Yeah, okay,

660
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: we can't be doing that anymore. Oh, interesting, fascinating argument.

661
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: No one has made this before Their Good Marshall. Perhaps

662
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: perhaps we are all all human he is. You might

663
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: look at Third Good Marshall as the guy that Clarence

664
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: Thomas told his grandfather he wanted to be um in

665
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: addition to just being like one of the coolest guys

666
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: to ever be associated with US government in any capacity,

667
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: Like just a pretty pretty dope dude, all things considered. Yeah,

668
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: like if like yeah, people in American politics were like wrestlers,

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00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Like the felt that their Good Marshall would run into

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00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: the arena with yeah, oh yeah, Third Good Marshall's the

671
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: guy who like racism is like doing his doing his

672
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: little patter on stage for the audience, and then Third

673
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Good Marshall comes in and hits him with a yeah,

674
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: my god, exactly, that's exactly what happens. Yeah. Um, so

675
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: it's probably worth noting that two of the three cases

676
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: that we just talked about arose from lawsuits in the

677
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: state of Texas. Um. I do feel like that's worth acknowledging. Okay,

678
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: bring Texas right back in. Yeah, never far when we're

679
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: talking about racism. Uh. If this had been the total

680
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: of Marshall's career, he would go down in history as

681
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: one of the most influential legal minds ever. But all

682
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: of that was just a prelude. On August thirtieth, nineteen

683
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: sixty seven, the Senate confirmed him as the first black

684
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice in a sixty nine to eleven floor vote.

685
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: I want to quote now from a write up by

686
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: then double a CP on Marshall's quarter century on the Court. Quote.

687
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: Marshall fought for affirmative action for minorities, held strong against

688
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: the death penalty, and supported a woman's right to choose

689
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: if an apportion was appropriate for her. The civil rights

690
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: lawyer turned Supreme Court justice made made a significant impact

691
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: on American society and culture. His mission was equal justice

692
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: for all. Marshall used the power of the courts to

693
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: fight racism and discrimination, tear down Jim Crow segregation, change

694
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: the status quo, and make life better for the most

695
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: vulnerable in our nation. So you know, real fucking cool guy,

696
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: pretty cool guys getting all that ship done. Okay. You

697
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: know who else is a cool guy? Miles? The products

698
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: and services that support this podcast, they also want to

699
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: change the status quo in your wallet, and I heard

700
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: Third Good Marshal would have used all of them. That's right,

701
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: That's right, every product we have on this by the

702
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: ghost of their good Marshal depositing that casually and honestly,

703
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: I feel like Third Good Marshall probably would use that website.

704
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: So I don't know, oh yeah, And you know what

705
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: he wouldn't use is any products sponsored by the pod

706
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: Save America people, none of those just behind the bastards products. Absolutely.

707
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: He said that to me at a seance. Yeah, that's

708
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: he that's you You start doing is making murder rate.

709
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: It's they're good, Marshal, and it's in a quote says

710
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: I funk with cool Zone, not crooked. That's right, that's right,

711
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: fuck them, that's what they're good. Marshal would probably say,

712
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: so if you're we allowed to do that? Okay, Well,

713
00:38:49,520 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: we did it, so oh we're back and we're talking.

714
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: Think about what products they're good? Marshal would love. You

715
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: know what I think, Miles, I think they're good. Marshal

716
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: would enjoy the convenience of Amazon Prime. You know, hearsay,

717
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know what I hear third good. Marshal's

718
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: perfect morning is to take his bird scooter down to

719
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: Starbucks Big Break, high five all of the very happy

720
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: workers they're uh and who don't need to unionize, no,

721
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: not at all, and to remind them how good they

722
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: have it because of his work, and to stay elastic.

723
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: They're good. Then throw the hot coffee in the face

724
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: of the Amazon Prime delivery person who's too late and

725
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: slow with the elastic re usable bandages that he needs

726
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: for his dog's injured foot. That's right, that's right. And

727
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: you know what else I think they're good. Marshal would

728
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: have liked is Netflix. And I want to quote now

729
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: from from a Supreme Court ruling in nineteen seventy two,

730
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: a majority opinion authored by Marshall quote, I fucking love

731
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: it when I turn on an app and the immediately

732
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: start screaming at me, just loudly playing a trailer that

733
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: I didn't ask to play. That is my favorite thing

734
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: as their good Marshal Supreme Court Justice. Wow, wow powerful.

735
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: I love to hear that. Yeah. And also and then

736
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: he also said, and also this is I'm surprised you

737
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: glossed over the second part of that quote, which is, I,

738
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: for one, would never share my password unless it's for

739
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: in my home one password, one use per account. If

740
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Speaker 1: Netflix efford becomes a thing in the future, is what

741
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I think. As they're good, Marshal, Supreme Court Justice, the

742
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: greatest regret, for greatest regret as a Supreme Court justice

743
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: was not actually reeling in the rampant criminals. That's right,

744
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: that's right he saw so. Um. Yeah, as American men

745
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: in positions of power go, Marshal is pretty much your

746
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: best case scenario, right, just just about the best legacy

747
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: any any man with power has in in modern US history.

748
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: But by the later half of the Reagan administration, he

749
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: is an old man. Uh, he is not in very

750
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: good health. He has a bunch of fucking health problems,

751
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: as most old people do. Um. The Court hadn't taken

752
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: a distinct right word tilt in the last years that

753
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: he served, and Marshall found himself constantly writing minority dissents

754
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: while the Reagan administration started to claw back some of

755
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: the gains of the civil rights era. Um At a

756
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: press conference, he was asked how he wanted to be remembered,

757
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: and Marshall replied as someone who that he wanted to

758
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: be remembered as someone who quote did what he could

759
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: with what he had, which is a very sad that. Yeah,

760
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: that's that breaks my heart. You don't want that to

761
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: be what the brown versus the Board of Education guy

762
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: sees his legacy in the Reagan as the Reagan years

763
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: come to because that's the excuse Joe Biden is using

764
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah it is. Come on, man, I'm doing

765
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: what I can what I got. Fucking third, good Marshall

766
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: sitimately did everything he reasonably away. He's like, fuck man,

767
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: they really, they're they're packing this motherfucker in with these

768
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: weird Yeah. Now, Clarence Thomas, for his part, seems to

769
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: have hated their good Marshall. In the Enigma of Clarence Thomas,

770
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: Cory Robin writes, quote Thomas had dismissed Marshall's liberal views

771
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: as exasperating and incomprehensible. His rendition of the Constitution as

772
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: a race baiting vision that alienates all Americans, and Pitt's

773
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: blacks against the Founders, which how do you not. Yeah, yeah,

774
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: black people against the Founders. Yeah, they were most most

775
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: of them were pretty racists. So yes, I guess I

776
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: guess they should be. Yeah, that's fine. I guess that

777
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: they should be. I guess the Founders pitted themselves against

778
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: black people by owning them. No, no, no, they are

779
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: much more passive in enslaving people. That's a passive activity. Yeah,

780
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: it's it's fine. So yeah, that's pretty bad, right, That's

781
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: that's not good. That's not good, I would say so.

782
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: In Marshall's last year's Ronald Reagan appointed four Supreme Court

783
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: Justices Sandrad O'Connor, William Reynquist, Anton and Scalia, and Anthony Kennedy.

784
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: And look, I don't like a lot of those folks,

785
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: but I have to say all of those really good

786
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: judge names. Honestly, oh yeah, oh my god, what an

787
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: incredible judge name. And Anthony Kennedy awesome judge name. Just

788
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: really none of them are third good Marshall level judge names.

789
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: But those are all solid judge tony kay. Yeah, boy,

790
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: not just a drug dealer out of rave. Yeah, Sandra

791
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: de O'Connor to three, you gotta have three, you know,

792
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: that's what really that really drives at home, I mean

793
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: John Connor, Yeah, exactly, feeling like terminator, which is interesting.

794
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Take it to Arnold Schwarzenegger. I believe his fake name

795
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: in True Lives was Harry rank Wist. Well, see that's miles.

796
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: We're through the looking glass here. Yeah, sorry, folks, I

797
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: did mushrooms this weekend. A lot of memories are coming

798
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: to the top. So, despite how right way Scalia would

799
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: turn out to be, this selection of judges and these

800
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: are like over the course of the Reagan administration really

801
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: pisses off American religious conservatives because all of those people

802
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: are not right wing gooules. Right, they're kind of mostly

803
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: more centrists and stuff in their actual rulings and and

804
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: often stuff. Yeah, with the exception of Scalia, most of

805
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: them kind of move more towards the center in time, um,

806
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: which really pisses off the far right. So again with

807
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: this and with Robert Borke, they see themselves as having

808
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: been betrayed repeatedly by an admitts. Reagan came to power

809
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: on the back of the religious right. He was supposed

810
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: to be their guy, and they're like, he didn't give

811
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: us everything we wanted. So when Reagan leaves office and

812
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush becomes president, um, he gets a

813
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: Supreme Court nomination, and instead of picking a guy the

814
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: right wing fucking loves, he picks a dude named Thomas Suitor,

815
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: who is center right. Um, and this is again not enough.

816
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: And and in fact, the right wing sees this is

817
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: like the worst sin imaginable. Um, and this is a

818
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: real problem. But because again you have to get this

819
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: guy confirmed. And at this point they're like pretty piste off,

820
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: Bush's chief of staff, Johnson Unu, manages to get the

821
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: religious right in line behind Suitor by promising that hey,

822
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: fucking third good Marshal is not going to be around

823
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: that much longer. When he quits, we will replace him

824
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: with the worst piece of ship you can imagine. Like,

825
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: I fucking promise this time, we have your back. Let's

826
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: give me one more shot, man, give us one more

827
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: shot where we will get a fucking ghouler. There. I

828
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: swear I got, I got a real, real shitty, hefty

829
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: bag full of crap, just bacon in the sun filling

830
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: up with gas that I got for you. You're gonna

831
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: love this guy, speaking of nominative determinal determinism, Johnson Unu.

832
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: That is the name of a piece of ship whose

833
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: entire job is to like whip fascists in behind, like

834
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: backing corporate tax breaks. Like, my god, that's the guy.

835
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: That's the name you give that get Johnson Unu. Are

836
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Anyways, it's it's not wrong, it's not.

837
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: Through the Reagan years and into the early Bush administration,

838
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, while he's doing his ship at the e

839
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: o C worked relentlessly to burnish his street credit with

840
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: the far right. This meant he had to do a

841
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: lot of explaining away his past civil rights activism, which

842
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: he accomplished definitely by pivoting to complaining about how bad

843
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: the Civil rights era had been for black people. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote now from the New York that's pretty good, right,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Oh my god, it's so disingenuous. In

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Speaker 1: his memoir, Thomas notes that part of the appeal of

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Speaker 1: black nationalism was tied to his sense. In the wake

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Speaker 1: of the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. And Robert F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy that no one was going to take care of

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Speaker 1: me or any other black person in America. Eventually, this

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Speaker 1: notion extended to the left. I marched, I protested, I

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Speaker 1: asked the government to help black people, Thomas told The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post in nineteen eighty I did all those things,

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Speaker 1: but it hasn't worked. The whole repertoire of black politics,

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Speaker 1: from mainstream activism to black power radicalism and beyond, now

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00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: seemed pointless. By the eighties, Thomas, a member of the

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Speaker 1: ray An administration, believe that state action could do nothing

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Speaker 1: for African Americans. Problems of racial inequality cannot be solved

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Speaker 1: by law, even civil rights laws, he told an audience

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Speaker 1: at Clark College, historically black school in Atlanta in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. In a nineteen eighties seven speech to the

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Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation, Thomas stated his belief that principled conservatism should

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Speaker 1: quote make it clear to blacks that conservatives are not

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Speaker 1: hostile to them, but instead that conservative views are the

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Speaker 1: only real way to support black success. He repeatedly stated

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Speaker 1: his belief that if you could get the whole racial

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Speaker 1: issue out of the left right paradigm, most black people

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Speaker 1: would see that they were really conservative. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: some truth to elements of that. There are there is

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Speaker 1: some truth. That's part of why it's worked. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh the amount of work this guy, my god, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and should he's saying that's rooted in truth. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: a lot of I wouldn't call it the left, but

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Speaker 1: the most liberals don't really want to do any more

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Speaker 1: than you, Like race and civil rights is like a

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Speaker 1: fucking whipping boy issue to hurt the right. Like absolutely,

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Speaker 1: there there are a lot of false friends among the

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Speaker 1: left in terms of civil rights advocacy. Yeah. The yeah,

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00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: the for like liberals, it's more like being like a

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00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: whiny guy being like, well, I mean you really should

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Speaker 1: be with us if you really think about it, like

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Speaker 1: without being like, but I'm not going to do any

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Speaker 1: of the work. You're not gonna do any move towards

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Speaker 1: liberation for you. But if you think about it like

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00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: you can do with them, it's like there's again, there's

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00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: these elements of truth. And then he's like, and so

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00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: that's why I'm just like lining up behind the racists, right,

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00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes it okay. Well, yeah,

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00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: it makes it also so like insidious too. Like you

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Speaker 1: you just find that little shred where you can say

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Speaker 1: that's the truth and like and that's how I justify

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Speaker 1: the absolute ushering in of the hell world. Yeah, absolutely,

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00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: speaking of the hell world. Most of the claims that

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00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: Thomas made about the origins of his own conservatives were

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Speaker 1: rooted in absolute, bold faced lies about his background. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote again from Strange Justice. According to Sam Williams,

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Speaker 1: Thomas's lack of gratitude for what his grandfather and the

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Speaker 1: civil rights movement had done for him formed the beginning

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Speaker 1: of an estrangement that became so irreparable. The two were

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Speaker 1: barely on speaking terms at the time of Anderson's death

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00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: in the spring of nineteen eighty three. What made his

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00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: grandfather's bitterness particularly sharp was the sense that Thomas had

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Speaker 1: betrayed him, according to Williams, who said that early on,

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Speaker 1: Thomas used to tell his grandfather he was going to

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Speaker 1: be a civil rights lawyer and come back here and

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00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: help his people. Instead, Thomas just helped Thomas he saw

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Speaker 1: that the money and career opportunities were on the other side.

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Speaker 1: His grandfather was so disappointed he hardly spoke of Thomas

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00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: in the later years. Yet, in his public speeches, including

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Speaker 1: his Supreme Court confirmation hearings, Thomas spoke often about how

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Speaker 1: much he loved and admired his grandfather. It is likely

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Speaker 1: that his sense of gratitude grew in the years after

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Speaker 1: his grandfather's death. He did, after all, keep a photo

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Speaker 1: of his grandfather on his desk at the E O C.

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Speaker 1: But both Sam Williams and W. W. Law also charged

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Speaker 1: tom Us with distorting the truth about his upbringing for

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Speaker 1: political effect. In an interview, Law said, I don't like

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Speaker 1: talking about this because Thomas is local and that makes

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Speaker 1: it very hard. He didn't shut his eyes, and then

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Speaker 1: an agitated voice added, Thomas just said those things to

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Speaker 1: make him seem black. But all along he's been making

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Speaker 1: choices to benefit Thomas and no one else. Yeah. That

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Speaker 1: sounds about right, Mr lizard brain. Yeah, and just like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't like the time to actually express like love

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00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: and admiration for my grandfather is publicly in books, even

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Speaker 1: though we're not really talking, because I think the fact

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Speaker 1: that my grandfather was a hardass and mean will sell

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Speaker 1: with conservatives, even though he was a committed civil rights activist.

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Speaker 1: For all of his flaws, like I am going to

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Speaker 1: paint him as like the the platonic ideal of a

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Speaker 1: right wing dad because he was a dick. Uh God,

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Speaker 1: he's so opportunistic and you just see like whenever there's

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to you know, create or add more weight

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Speaker 1: to the myth about him, like he's going to do

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Speaker 1: that anything. Yeah. But you know what, Miles, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what, Miles. You know. What I do

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Speaker 1: know is that it's time for you to give your

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Speaker 1: plug doubles. M Well, uh, I don't know. You know,

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Speaker 1: just steal some catalytic converters to be Yeah, yeah, Jack

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Speaker 1: a fucking catalytic converter. Yeah, I think, Oh that's what

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Speaker 1: clip it. You're out hop in their homies civic and

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Speaker 1: throw the authorities off. But it's for stealing catalytic converters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which a man is able to steal a catalytic converter

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Speaker 1: in less than nineties seconds, even if the car has

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