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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. A production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and

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Speaker 3: today's pick on weird House is the genre defying nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy nine Hong Kong Martial Arts Bonanza The Butterfly Murders,

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Speaker 3: directed by Shehawk. This movie is great. It has everything.

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Speaker 3: It's part wusha, it's part eco horror. I didn't expect

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Speaker 3: it to be so much like like Frogs and other

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Speaker 3: eco horror movies we've done. It's part murder mystery, but

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Speaker 3: it's also all killer butterflies.

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Speaker 2: That's right. This one's a real tree. It's almost like

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Speaker 2: a fitting pre Thanksgiving dinner kind of a film because

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Speaker 2: it's just stuff to the gills as we as we'll discuss,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, this is perhaps a two of like talented

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Speaker 2: filmmakers first movie Syndrome, where clearly they had had so

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Speaker 2: many ideas that need to be unleashed on the world

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Speaker 2: and they're all present, you know. So it's maybe a

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Speaker 2: little a little bit overloaded in that regard, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's so many interesting elements I'd throw in proto slasher

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Speaker 2: gothic horror. And also there's a little bit of the

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Speaker 2: old reading of the Will drama thrown in there as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: You know, one thing I really respect about this movie

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Speaker 3: is that I don't actually know what it was called

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Speaker 3: in the I guess original Cantonese marketing, but the English

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Speaker 3: title delivers on the promise in a quite literal fashion.

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Speaker 3: So it's called The Butterfly Murders. And the Butterfly Murders

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Speaker 3: is not about like a serial killer who draws a

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Speaker 3: butterfly at every crime scene or something. That's what you

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Speaker 3: would guess based on that title, right, It's always that

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Speaker 3: kind of annoying fake out. But in this case, no,

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Speaker 3: it is literally about people who are murdered by swarms

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Speaker 3: of bloodthirsty butterflies.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, And I think my initial guess when I

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Speaker 2: started running across this title was, oh, it's a serial killer.

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Speaker 2: It's some sort of like, oh, he leaves a butterfly

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Speaker 2: as his signature or something, But no, it's straight up

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Speaker 3: Well, there are human intelligences behind the butterfly crimes, but

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Speaker 3: they really are carried out via swarms of butterflies. Multiple

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Speaker 3: reviews I've seen compare this film to Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds,

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Speaker 3: and yes, I definitely see some similarities. I think there

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Speaker 3: may have been some conscious relationship there. Except as absurd

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Speaker 3: as the premise of The Birds itself was, at least

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Speaker 3: birds have beaks and talons. This is about killer butterflies.

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Speaker 3: And the crazy thing is this movie succeeds at making

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Speaker 3: butterflies scary. Well, I don't know that was my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you agree, Rob, but I was

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Speaker 3: shocked at how creepy it makes the butterflies.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I feel like it is. It's essentially a goofy

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Speaker 2: concept right because you can you can break down and say, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: there are examples of butterflies and moths that have some

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Speaker 2: level of toxicity to them, but there's no such thing

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Speaker 2: as a killer butterfly. Butterflies are not threatening, and yet

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Speaker 2: this movie on the whole succeeds in making them feel

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Speaker 3: However, on top of just that home run of a

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Speaker 3: premise killer butterflies, I'm to say, across the board, I

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Speaker 3: thought this movie was generally number one excellent, like really

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Speaker 3: well made and number two bananas. It is just nuts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Now I do have to emphasize

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Speaker 2: that this movie in its currently available international form, is

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Speaker 2: not an easy to follow film if you're trying to

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Speaker 3: So much plot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is, you know. It is a historic martial

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Speaker 2: arts fantasy adventure film, a wusha, but it's it's one

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Speaker 2: with yeah, complex plot, multiple characters, parallel mysteries and feuding

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Speaker 2: factions and all. That's perfectly fair. But the English subtitles

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Speaker 2: are rough. And while rough subtitles can prove perfectly serviceable

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Speaker 2: for many films, Son of Peach and Thrilling Bloody Sword

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Speaker 2: but with this one, again, given on that complexity, it's

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Speaker 2: There's also quite a bit of narration. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say that I think you can watch

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Speaker 3: to skip over a bit of this? I don't know. Yeah, However,

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Speaker 3: I would not say that all of the complicated plot

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Speaker 3: machinations are just like completely extraneous, Like you can enjoy

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Speaker 3: the movie without trying to follow too closely. And at

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Speaker 3: the same time, I think all of the plot twists

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Speaker 3: twist after twist in the second half of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it never really lets up. There's always something captivating.

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Speaker 2: It's almost too captivating. Again, if you're trying to follow

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Speaker 2: everything with the subtitles. All right, Joe, what's your elevator

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Speaker 2: pitch for the Butterfly Murders?

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Speaker 3: Let's say a scholar, a gang boss, and a wireflying

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Speaker 3: Marshall heroin walk into a castle haunted by killer butterflies.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's hear a little bit of the trailer audio.

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Speaker 2: Note that this is from in rather long trails, like

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Speaker 2: four minutes long. I believe this is the original Hong

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Speaker 4: Lay Fly, Guppi, segm Sunset Sun. Say to Nani family,

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Speaker 4: don't sun dow way see Sun Mom, baby, Mama? What

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Speaker 4: in nikon ya?

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Speaker 2: Now, before we proceed, you may be wondering, well, how

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Speaker 2: can I watch the Butterfly Murders? Well, it's not an

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Speaker 2: easy one to get your hands on. Unfortunately. Right now,

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Speaker 2: this is a film where the best available quality is

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Speaker 2: very watchable, but it has not benefitted from restoration. The

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Speaker 2: have some difficulties with it. It looks like it has

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Speaker 2: streamed on Prime before, back when they had loads of

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Speaker 2: weird stuff, but today you're limited to just a few

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Speaker 2: hard to find region free DVDs or international release DVDs.

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Speaker 2: might find a watchable unofficial stream somewhere. But yeah, this

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Speaker 3: I wish there was a really great Blu ray restoration

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Speaker 3: But even the DVD we had had a lot of

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Speaker 3: This seems to be some kind of website about Hong

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. I mean it's it's details like this,

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Speaker 3: But like we said, there are some sort of under

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Speaker 3: It's not the best way you're going to see it,

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Speaker 3: it's it's pretty cool. I'd recommend it.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, And again, the best version that's out

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, this one though perfectly watchable. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: varying ways. We'll just keep referring to him as Hawk here.

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Speaker 2: He was born in nineteen fifty Vietnamese born, Texas educated

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Speaker 2: Hong Kong film director, producer, and screenwriter. He studied film

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Speaker 2: it's also considered something of a new wave sensation in

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Speaker 2: I was not surprised at all to see that Michael

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Speaker 2: Weldon had it cataloged in the Psychotronic Video Guide from

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Speaker 2: decades back. Now Hawk went on to have an exceptional career,

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Speaker 2: and it's still active as a director and producer. His

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Speaker 2: Cannibal Film nineteen eighty three, Zoo Warriors from the Magic

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Speaker 2: ninety three is Green Snake, and twenty ten's Detective d

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Speaker 2: and The Mystery of the Phantom Flame.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Zoo Warriors from the Magic Mountain in multiple sources.

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Speaker 3: I have seen that movie highlighted as sort of his masterpiece,

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Speaker 3: or at least his masterpiece. If you're looking for like

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Speaker 2: Movies, all right, we may have to come back and

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Speaker 2: look at that one now. Purely Western audiences might know

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Speaker 2: him best from his films from two films in particular,

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Speaker 2: Double Team from ninety seven. This is a film that

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Speaker 2: starred Jean Claude Van Dam, Dennis Rodman, Paul Freeman, and

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Speaker 2: Mickey Rourke. Have you seen this one, Joe, I don't

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Speaker 3: Another great martial arts focused performance here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the score is by Frankie Chan born

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of moments in this movie where

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Speaker 3: of difficult to figure out how to approach this one,

434
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: like should we try to explain the whole plot or

435
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: employed the skip a bit brother principle from Monty Python.

436
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to start off talking in some detail, and

437
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: then if we find this is too too much, maybe

438
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: we can zoom out a little bit.

439
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good, all.

440
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: Right, So the film begins with narration. It shows mist

441
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: blowing in front of a full moon, and the narrator,

442
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: who we will later find out is Fong. The scholar,

443
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: tells us quote in the thirty six year period before

444
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: the New Era, two devastating wars took place in the

445
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: martial world, and the idea of a martial world seems

446
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: to be a sort of concept in this movie, where

447
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 3: it's like, this is the world in which all of

448
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: the martial arts fighters sort of compete for power, and

449
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: it includes especially whatever this character will get to in

450
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: a minute, Boss ten is doing. He's in charge of

451
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: something that seems to me to be maybe like mercenary armies,

452
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: maybe a criminal gang, maybe some sort of pseudo or

453
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: quasi governmental thing. But he just commands a lot of fighters.

454
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 3: So he's big in the marshal world. Is that how

455
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: you understood it?

456
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean he's kind of like a master

457
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: of a guild or guild of warriors kind of a thing. Yeah.

458
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 3: So Fong tells us a narration that there was this

459
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: first war in the dim Chong Mountain. Many were killed,

460
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: hungry condors filled the skies. There's a second war in

461
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: wu Doong Mountain or in the bottom of Wudong Mountain.

462
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: It says there many were killed again, and then it

463
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: says from that time on where it's quote, most masters

464
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: in the martial world were all dead. Thus the martial

465
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: world entered the Quiet period, lasting over thirty years. On

466
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: the surface, it was a strange truce. In fact, there

467
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: were undercurrents of unrest. Then emerged seventy two new forces

468
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: termed these seventy two Trails of Smoke, heralding the dawn

469
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: of the new era. And then here, while the narration

470
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: goes on, we see this barren, sandy landscape with smooth

471
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: white sand, almost like a beach, though I don't think

472
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: it's a beach. I think it's a desert. There are

473
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: mountains in the distance, and in in the foreground there

474
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: is a single, lonely tree branch blowing in the wind.

475
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Speaker 2: So already we're kind of in the deep end here.

476
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: But I love the texture that has presented because, at

477
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: least as far as I was understanding the subtitles on

478
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: all of this, like it's almost a post apocalyptic setting,

479
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: like the warriors have become so skilled that they killed

480
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: each other and killed everyone off. And so we're in

481
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: this momentary, heathful period, but there's still these undercurrents of

482
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: like reaching and grasping for the old military technologies and

483
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: tactics that will, of course inevitably bring us back up

484
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: to where we were before.

485
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Yeah, that's how I understood the setting.

486
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: There used to be a bunch of martial arts heroes.

487
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: They all killed each other. Then there were thirty years

488
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: without martial arts heroes, and now the marshal world is returning.

489
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: This would be a great They keep doing you a

490
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: sequels to all these fighting games, and it's always the

491
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: same thing every time, Like do this instead.

492
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good premise, Okay, But the

493
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: narrator goes on to explain his own place in this.

494
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: He says, in these warring years, a traveling scholar, untrained

495
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: in martial arts recorded the important events of the era

496
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: and sold them for a living. His name is Fong,

497
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: and I am that one, He says, to this martial world.

498
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: I was an observer, but inevitably I become totally involved.

499
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: This is a good sort of taste of the subtitle character. Yes,

500
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: is that it's it's you. You can follow it, but

501
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: there's a little but there's some nuance missing there.

502
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some translation issues and things get clearly getting

503
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: lost in the translation of the English subtitles. We can

504
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: mention a few more moments like that as we go on,

505
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: but overall, yeah, you can follow what's happening. So we

506
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: see we see a man come over the horizon and

507
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: crunching through the sand. He wears simple robes, appears to

508
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: be a humble and quiet fellow, and this is Pongong

509
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: approaches a castle surrounded by tall grass, and then there

510
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 3: is an explosion in one of its towers, and then

511
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: the narration continues. Returning from Tibet in the twenty fourth

512
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: of the New Era, I met ten Phone, the leader

513
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: of the Ten Flags, and intriguing encounter. And then in

514
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: a quite funny way, there's a sudden cut to just

515
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: like funk music, like heavy funk groove and wikiwiki guitars.

516
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: So on screen we see a hand of an unknown

517
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: person reaching for the sky, fingers curled into a fist,

518
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: and then the hand opens to reveal in its palm

519
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: a butterfly. The butterfly flies away. Title screen the butterfly murders,

520
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: and we get a song with lyrics, So I want

521
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: to say what the lyrics are. As translated in the

522
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: subtitles here, the lyrics are Smoke arises, blood is in

523
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: the air, life of death. I must face it, trying

524
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: to escape, Yet you are already trapped. Suspicious arise, confidence shattered?

525
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: One whiff, and I am down forever. Who is to grieve?

526
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: Who is to be glad?

527
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: Isn't this all? From the Bridge to Metallica? Is one

528
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: like I can just imagine it, James Headfield like belting

529
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: it out like dat confidence shattered?

530
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: But no, it's it's a kind of lilting ballad sort

531
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: of melody.

532
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice. I think you probably heard part of

533
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: it in the trailer audio we played, but now you

534
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: know what it's said. Roughly.

535
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: All the while this opening credit sequence, while the music

536
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: is playing, it is trying really hard to make butterflies

537
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: look menacing, and to my surprise, succeeding. We see butterflies

538
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: landing and alighting from rocks along the bank of a

539
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: mountain stream. Then there are several shots where butterflies are

540
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: not flying but perched on the rocks and just sort

541
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: of pumping their wings rhythmically while they stay perched there.

542
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: I've seen this movement before, of course, never thought to

543
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: interpret it as threatening. But for some with the right focus,

544
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: somehow it does look a bit that way. It does

545
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: look a bit like some kind of I don't know,

546
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: like predatory animal flexing its jaws. It's interesting how framing

547
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: can change the way you see an utterly harmless animal.

548
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: Oh but also I thought, before the song is finished,

549
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: it just cuts off like in mid line and smash

550
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: edits to a roaring waterfall with no music playing. So

551
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: here it goes on introducing the characters. It says the

552
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: powerful Tinfong leads his ten flags of men, so I

553
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: think he rules. The ten flags are ten different gangs

554
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: or guilds of martial arts fighters, and so overall what

555
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: he leads I think is known as the Tin Clan,

556
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: But there are ten different gangs within it, and they're

557
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: like color coded, so there's like the red flags and

558
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: the white flags and so forth. And the camera pans

559
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: and we see the bodies of many swordsmen lying dead

560
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: on the rocks in the middle of a river, with

561
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 3: blood running into the foamy rapids and swirling around them.

562
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: I think this is supposed to indicate like, these are

563
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: the enemies of Boss in Boston has defeated them all.

564
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: Then it cuts to something else. It's like, okay, here's

565
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: here's a scene for you. It happened in the twenty

566
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: fourth of the New Era, on the sixth day of

567
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: the sixth month, in bar Bridge paper mill founded for

568
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: over eighty years, an unusual incident happened. That's the narration.

569
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: So here we see a pre industrial paper mill in operation.

570
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: Workers are boiling down wood products and rags in water,

571
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: pounding out sheets of paper and hanging them up to dry.

572
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: But it's not just a paper mill. This appears to

573
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: be a combination paper mill and printing press. So some

574
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: of the workers are in like a different part of

575
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: the setting, are arranging type blocks and pressing them with

576
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: ink and then pressing paper against them.

577
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: I loved all the little details in this sequence. I

578
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: feel like he does a really great job establishing the

579
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: setting and the sense of enterprise here. It was just

580
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 2: really drawn in. Again, this is a technically a very

581
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: proficient film, so you know, all this stuff that might

582
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: be sort of wasted motion in a lesser film is

583
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: all very engaging.

584
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: I agree. I feel like this director is really skilled

585
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: with setting and situation. This is a movie where you

586
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 3: always have a really good feeling of where you are

587
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: and what it feels like where the scene is taking place.

588
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

589
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: Now here we get our first real time scene with dialogue.

590
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: A man, a kind of suspiciously behaving man, comes into

591
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: the paper mill with a proposition for the boss. They

592
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: sit down and share a cup of tea. The boss

593
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: he smokes his pipe or something, and the visitor produces

594
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: a book in what looks like scroll form from his satchel.

595
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: He asks if the mill would be able to print

596
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: five thousand copies of this document within ten days.

597
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: What is it?

598
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: The mysterious visitor says he came across this book by accident,

599
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: but that it is the memoirs of Pong, describing the

600
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: quote unusual events of the last ten years, and this

601
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: causes like a music sting. The boss is surprised. He

602
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: almost sort of spits out his pipe, and the visitor

603
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: says that the boss will make lots of money by

604
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: selling this book. Okay, so the boss of the paper

605
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: mill is not just making paper, not just printing on it,

606
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: but I think also operating a book store and selling books.

607
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: But anyway, the visitor is like, okay, print up this book,

608
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: sell a bunch of copies, you'll make money.

609
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: Oh.

610
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: In just in the middle here we get this little

611
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: interlude where it's just showing us the printing the printing

612
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: press workers who are arranging the words on the type blocks,

613
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: and they're narrating. One is narrating the text to the

614
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: other while he puts the characters in place, and the

615
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: narration goes, my beloved came riding on a bamboo horse,

616
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: and the guy kind of sings along. I just really

617
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: liked this moment. Yeah, But the boss says he does

618
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: not think that these pages are authentically the work of

619
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: Fong because they do not match Fong's handwriting, so he

620
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: knows what Fong's handwriting looks like. And then next thing,

621
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 3: paper mill workers find the boss dead, hanging upside down

622
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: in the back of the print shop, and the visitor

623
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: is gone. He seems to have busted out through one

624
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: of the windows. It's very eerie scene. There are all

625
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: these papers hung up on clotheslines for the ink to dry,

626
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: and they're flapping in the wind from a smashed window.

627
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: So already we have printing press drama in this film.

628
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: What was going on? What was this mysterious apparently fraudulent

629
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: work that was they were trying to get published and distributed. Well,

630
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: we'll find out later on in the film.

631
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, why would this guy kill a print boss for

632
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: refusing to or for refusing to print this book or

633
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 3: for recognizing that it was not Fong's handwriting. Well, next

634
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: to the narration tells us that the bar bridge, the

635
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: place where the printing press was and the paper mill was,

636
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: was in the territory of tin Clan's White Flag. So

637
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: that's one of Bosston's gangs. So it's like they control

638
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: that area, and so it says. Several days afterwards, we

639
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: see someone in a wide brimmed hat running through a

640
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: field of tall weeds, pursued by a gang of men

641
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: with hooked blades. He's caught and unmasked, and it is

642
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 3: the guy from the paper mill, the visitor who brought

643
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: the who brought the scroll and apparently killed the boss there.

644
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: And the White Flag warrior who captures him says, poisonous wasp,

645
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: you killed the paper mill's boss. The White Flag leader

646
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: tries to interrogate him, He's like, why did you kill

647
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: the boss, but the stranger doesn't answer. Instead, he tries

648
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: to fight his way out of the situation and he

649
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: gets killed. So no answers there.

650
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: They'll refer back to him, I believe Wasp. So apparently

651
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: poisonous Wasp was not like they weren't caught, you know,

652
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: it wasn't profanity. It was like, that's just his name.

653
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: He's poisonous Wasp.

654
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. Narrator goes on to say in the sixth

655
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: of the New Era, droughtstruck, bandits abounded, the living was difficult,

656
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: starvation caused cannibalism. Those still strong enough were busy digging

657
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: up graves. Thirteen royal tombs in Wei Ying were dug

658
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: up in one night. General Ping Nam's tomb in Butterfly

659
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: Valley was rumored to be full of treasures. Ah okay,

660
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: so there's a grave full of treasures. And we cut

661
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: to a spooky scene of workers out in the middle

662
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: of the night, swinging pickaxes in a grove of trees

663
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: by yellow lamplight, and suddenly they stopped digging. One of

664
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: the workers asks what's wrong. Another one says, it seems

665
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: like they're being watched. Then a lamp swings from a branch,

666
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: and these these patterns of light and shadow rock back

667
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: and forth in the tree canopy while the workers are watching,

668
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: almost like they are expecting something to come down at

669
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: them from above, and there's this whispering wind. The atmosphere

670
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: in the scene is so cool, and after listening for

671
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: a moment, the workers start digging again. But in the

672
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: foreground we see a single black butterfly flutters down from

673
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: the sky and it lands softly on the bark of

674
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: a tree branch. Then you pan to tree limbs directly

675
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: over the worker's heads to reveal the branches are covered

676
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: in butterflies. Normally that wouldn't seem so menacing. Here it

677
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: really does. There are these very effective close ups of

678
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: the wings flexing and the spiral shaped prebocess like unfurling

679
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: and catching the light. And so just when the workers

680
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: strike a hard surface at the dig site, suddenly the

681
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: butterflies explode with activity, swarming all around the men. The

682
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: men scream in pain, they're terrified, they fall to the

683
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: ground somehow the butterflies are killing them.

684
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: And again, like it's effectively done. The animals attack element

685
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: of this film is on the whole more believable than

686
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: then most of the other all animals attack sort of

687
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: films that we've talked about in the past, like far

688
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: more terrifying than frogs. Yes. Agree.

689
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: Also, there was a green fireball in the scene. I

690
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: don't know what that means, all right, So I made

691
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: all these hard times and bad things going on. We

692
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: finally see a meeting of multiple tin Clan warriors. So

693
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: the White Flag warriors meet with warriors dressed all in red.

694
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: I guess these are the Red Flag warriors. They are

695
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: gathering on a cliff on a misty mountain slope. The

696
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: Red Flag gang is led by a woman named number ten.

697
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: The White Flag Gang is led by a man named

698
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: number three. Number three says their boss has been acting

699
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: very strange since he acquired the twelve districts. I guess

700
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: that means he gained power over twelve territories. I don't

701
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: think this information is important, but just to give you

702
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: a flavor of like all the complicated like numbers and

703
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: factional naming that happens here. One of number three says,

704
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: since the Yellow Flag ran down the Pangs, the ten

705
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: Klan is the third most powerful of the seventy two.

706
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: Since then, Boss has quietened.

707
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does. Again. Part of it is the

708
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: fact that the subtitles are a little bit confusing. It

709
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: may not be the case if you're watching it, you know,

710
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: as part of the intended original audience. But yeah, a

711
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: lot of this feels like maybe we could have cut

712
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: this and maybe simplified it a little bit, because it's

713
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 2: not all going to be essential once we get into

714
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: the second half of the picture.

715
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: But the Red Flag Leader and the White Flag Leader

716
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: discussed it. They talk about how they think Boss ten

717
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: is trying to gain repute and that there's a vendetta

718
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: among the seventy two I guess the seventy two what

719
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 3: was it called smoke trails. Yeah, that I guess are different,

720
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: different gangs arising in this new era, and so the

721
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: fights between them cannot be solved, and their boss, the

722
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: boss of their gangs, is trying to look good, I guess,

723
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: trying to trying to get repute.

724
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a great deal of martial arts gang drama

725
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: going on.

726
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then done dun doune. Suddenly heavy music, sting,

727
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: heavy bass and sudden and the boss is here. The

728
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: boss pops up. This is the first time I think

729
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: we've seen Tinfung. He's also got another guy with him.

730
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: They sort of jump out from behind a rock and

731
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: everybody's like, boss and oh boy, Tinfong the boss has

732
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: magnificent hair. He's standing with one leg up on a

733
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: kind of pulpit of rock on the mountain side, overlooking

734
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: the gang members. Underneath him stands some kind of lieutenant

735
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 3: that we later find out is named Big Eyed, who's

736
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: wearing like pink robes and a cape. Tinfong himself is

737
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: wearing a cape or a cloak and this like cool

738
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: black outfit with kind of a V neck. He's just

739
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 3: got rock star hair. He looks really cool and stern

740
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, he.

741
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: He would be a good gang boss. I think, yeah.

742
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: If he were to ask if we could dig it,

743
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: I would have to agree we can take yeah. Yeah.

744
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 3: But he explains to his fighters. He says, three days ago,

745
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: Shume Castle sent me a secret letter. The master of

746
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 3: Shum Castle and I only met once five years ago.

747
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: Yet he's asking for my help. An unusual event occurred

748
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: at the castle recently. They say what event, and the

749
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 3: Boss says, butterflies baffled looks all around.

750
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: Now we have we have a call to adventure. Here

751
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 2: we have the invite to the spooky castle.

752
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: That's right then and then specifically, this is another one

753
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: where I would guess that the original line is delivered

754
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: in a very hard hitting fashion, but the way it's

755
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: phrased in the subtitles doesn't quite capture it. The sentence

756
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: that he speaks is they found butterflies which kill in

757
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: the castle.

758
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it, clearly it's better in the

759
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: original language, but that's what we get via subtitles.

760
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: But here we get like a cut to an extreme

761
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: close up of a butterfly head. The heavy drumming sound

762
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, and it's laying that groundwork. It's making

763
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: butterflies scary. So the boss says, I'm going to go

764
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 3: to the castle. I need the white flags and the

765
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: red flags to go ahead and set up checkpoints on

766
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: the paths around the castle, to surround the castle and

767
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 3: monitor who comes and goes ahead of time, and I'll

768
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: be there in three days. Meanwhile, just to emphasize again,

769
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 3: like how cool a lot of the settings are here.

770
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: The landscape around Boston while he's giving the speech is

771
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: just livid, like there are jagged rocks everywhere, the earth

772
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: is belching out these clouds of fog, and there is

773
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: just a steady rumbling sound under everything, like there's maybe

774
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: a volcano erupting in the distance or something.

775
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

776
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh.

777
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 3: Also, Tinfung sends his lieutenant Big Eyed to the castle

778
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: ahead of time to sneak into the castle find out

779
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: what's going on. So Big Eyed says, right, boss, and

780
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: he goes to do that. But next we follow Tinfung

781
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: on the road, traveling alone, apparently in disguise in a

782
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: hood and cloak. There are a lot of disguises in

783
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: this movie. But he's walking along a path in the country,

784
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: and then he suddenly stops and calls out, you've been

785
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: following me for two days, come on out. And so

786
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: whoever he saw hen do does come out, and it's

787
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: Green Shadow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, first Green Shadow scene.

788
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's just instantly delightful.

789
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: So Green Shadow swings through the air, crosses the path

790
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: in front of him, then appears dangling from a rope.

791
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: Green Shadow is a young woman dressed in sort of

792
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: forest green robes. She is kind of a cross between

793
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: Spider Man and Predator, so like like the Predator, she

794
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: uses the trees, you know, she swings from branch to branch.

795
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: But like Spider Man, she's kind of a web slinger,

796
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: like she swings from wires and ropes and zips around

797
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 3: on them. But also she's just so positive, Like Green

798
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: Shadow has a really friendly and exuberant personality, and she

799
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: always knows something that other people don't.

800
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she's on top of the situation and she's

801
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: here for a good time.

802
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: Also in the scene, I don't know if Tenfong is

803
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: just he happens to be crushing a butterfly in his fist,

804
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: but he gets around asking Green Shadow, why are you

805
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: following me? And she says, I've always been interested in

806
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: other secrets. Yeah, we can tell Green Shadow you know

807
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: everybody's secrets before. Yeah, you clearly are nosy. Now they

808
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: appear to have some kind of past, like they know

809
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: each other. It's not really fully explained, but I don't

810
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: know if they've been enemies in the past or allies,

811
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 3: but they know each other somehow. I don't know if

812
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: you caught any detail on that I missed, Rob.

813
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: Now I just kind of picked up like maybe it's

814
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: like a professional thing, you know, It's like, well, of

815
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: course they know Green Shadow everybody's heard about the exploits

816
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: of Green Shadow, and of course Fung is the boss,

817
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: so everybody knows who Fun is.

818
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: But we do know she's not one of the seventy

819
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 3: two factions that are fighting because Green Shadow warns him.

820
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 3: She says, many amongst the seventy two are coming for you.

821
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: He says, Boss Ten says they'll all end up the same.

822
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: Green Shadow says, I'm not amongst the seventy two, so

823
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: I should be the exception. So Green Shadow offers to

824
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: help him. At first, he's kind of stand offish, but

825
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: she reveals she knows a lot. She knows what's going on.

826
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: She knows he's going to the Shum Castle. She knows

827
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: what happened at the Barbridge paper mill. She knows about

828
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: the murder and the eight pages of Fong's memoirs. She

829
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: reveals that she knows about the killer butterflies, since they

830
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: are mentioned in the memoirs that the guy was trying

831
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: to get published at this paper mill. Tenfung is like,

832
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: you believe in Fong's memoirs, and she says, yeah, he

833
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: actually knows a lot, and Ten reveals his anti scholar

834
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: bias here. He's like it's easy for scholars to talk,

835
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: but there's a great difference between writing and fighting.

836
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this will come up time and time again.

837
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: Good point.

838
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 3: So Ten isn't going to trust Fong. But then Green

839
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: Shadow makes a good point. She's like, at least he's

840
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: not amongst the seventy two, So you know, Ten knows

841
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: he's not one of the enemies that's coming for him.

842
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: So they agree to go to Shum Castle together, just

843
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: as he ordered. Tin Fung's gang is already there ahead

844
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: of him, and they report that there has been neary

845
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: a peep from the castle. No lights, no smoke. It's

846
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 3: like there's no one there. And Big Eyed, the lieutenant

847
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 3: who is sent ahead ahead of time to investigate the

848
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: castle and report back, nobody's heard anything from him. So

849
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: they go inside inside the castle walls. At first, everything

850
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: appears deserted. The courtyard is kind of barren. It's the

851
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: sandy rectangle of earth with no signs of life. It's

852
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: almost even like a lot of the like all the

853
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 3: furniture has been removed from the castle. It's just empty.

854
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: And Tin Fung's men they scour the grounds, They run

855
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: along the battlements at the top of the walls, they

856
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: run in and out of the buildings. Tin Fung himself

857
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: wanders into one room where a massive shape of some

858
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: sort is hidden underneath a curtain. He pulls the curtain

859
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: away to reveal a demonic statue. Seems to be some

860
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: kind of malevolent, predatory or dragon like figure. It's got

861
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: real like Pazuzu statue from The Exorcist energy.

862
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely has more of the vibe of a

863
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: European or American Gothic castle set as opposed to like

864
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: a really ornate Chinese dragon, because I mean, it is

865
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: obviously a set, and we'll see it later when it

866
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: of course explodes, because you can tell, you can tell,

867
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: like this was made to blow up. This thing's going

868
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: to blow up and crash at some point, and it

869
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: will in spectacular fashion. But yeah, this scene and all

870
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: the other like again, the director just does a great

871
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: job establishing location. You know where you are in the castle,

872
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: and especially as we begin to add on different sections

873
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: of it.

874
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: I agree, as an aside, I feel like that is

875
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: a really important and underappreciated skill in filmmaking, underappreciated by

876
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: life of audiences. The importance of a director making you

877
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: using film to make you understand and feel a setting.

878
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: You know, there's some filmmakers who are really good at this,

879
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: like I would pull it, like the Coen Brothers are

880
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: really good at making you, like understand the feeling of

881
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 3: a room where the scene is taking place. Of course,

882
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: a lot of good directors are able to do this,

883
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: but a common feature of bad filmmaking is that like,

884
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 3: scenes are taking place in a setting where you don't

885
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: feel like you understand where you are, right, And this

886
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: is the opposite as we were saying, that the settings

887
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: are really well established, you feel them, yeah.

888
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: And it's effortless and it doesn't require language at all.

889
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: So it's one of those things that the subtitles don't

890
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: get in the way of that because it's speaking directly

891
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: to you, no matter what your native tongue is.

892
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: Right, But anyway, the White Flag fighters come to Tinfong

893
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: to inform him that they have found Big Eyed. Big

894
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: Eyed is dead, his body lying beside a pond in

895
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: the courtyard. His skin is covered in scorch marks and

896
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 3: black smudges, and inside his clenched fist is a butterfly.

897
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: Of course, Tinfung is furious at this to find his

898
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 3: lieutenant dead. Just then he and Green Shadow finally meet

899
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: someone who appears to be an inhabitant of the castle.

900
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: It's a young woman holding a lantern. Tinfung runs up

901
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: to her or tries to question her, but she seems

902
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: either unable or unwilling to speak, and she also seems

903
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: afraid of him, and they wonder why. Tinfung's like, why

904
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: is she carrying a lantern in the daytime? But Green Shadow,

905
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: who again always seems to be mentally one step ahead,

906
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: says it's because she came from underground. Green Shadow's right.

907
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: They rush around the corner to find a cellar door

908
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: propped open, and then the young woman with the lantern

909
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: leads Tinfung and Green Shadow down the stairs into an

910
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: underground tunnel where they meet the master of the castle.

911
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: It is Master Shum. He's very glad they've come, and

912
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: he escorts them deeper into the rocky catacombs, where they

913
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: find a kind of improvised living space illuminated by torchlight.

914
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: So down in the space is Master Schum, there is

915
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: the girl with the lantern, whose name we learn is Chi,

916
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: And there is the Madam of the castle, Madame Schumer,

917
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: Ladyshum Also, there is another guest who has arrived. It

918
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: is the scholar Pong, remember him from earlier, He was

919
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: the narrator. This is the alleged author of the eight

920
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: pages of memoir from the incident at the paper Mill.

921
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: And as we could expect, there is tension between Tinfung

922
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: and Fong. Boston does not trust him. He says, although

923
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: your memoirs have some repute, a scholar like you can

924
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: only get in the way and make things worse. Not

925
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: a fan of these nerdy scholars. But Master Schum says, hey,

926
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 3: he needs Fong here. He invited him here to chronicle

927
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 3: the events that have happened and to make an accurate

928
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: report of what's going on at the castle, to serve

929
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: as a warning to others.

930
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: All right, so already you know we've got this strong

931
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 2: mystery gothic plot developing here, mysterious castle, strange events. People

932
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: with diverse backgrounds have been invited to witness what is

933
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: unfolding there here.

934
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: Master Shum explains the backstory, and so we see it

935
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 3: like re enacted as he tells it. He says, earlier

936
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 3: this year, on the fifth day of the fifth month,

937
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: it was a day to commemorate his ancestor's death, and

938
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: so we see a sort of temple shrine within the

939
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 3: castle grounds, and there are offerings. There's like a roasted

940
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: chicken and a pig's head and a fish being offered up,

941
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: I guess in honor of his ancestor. And the first

942
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: strange occurrence here is that during the celebration, a servant

943
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: finds a reeking display in one of the rooms of

944
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: the castle. It looks like some kind of dead tropical

945
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: bird hanging upside down with its feathers covered in blood,

946
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: and it has a butterfly in its beak. Second event

947
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: is one night Lady Shum is weaving in her chamber

948
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: and is bitten so that blood is drawn, but she's

949
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: bitten by a butterfly that lands on her neck and

950
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: then on her hand. After this, the servants decide the

951
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: castle is cursed. They start running away, leaving the Schum

952
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: family by themselves. One day, Master Schum finds that masses

953
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 3: of butterflies are swarming around the outside of the windows,

954
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: and the butterflies attack. They kill his last loyal servant,

955
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: as Master Shum himself barely escapes with his life into

956
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: the underground tunnels. So now it appears to be just Schum,

957
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 3: Lady Shum, and she living down there in the tunnels.

958
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 3: Everybody else is dead or has fled the castle.

959
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: And this is a great set, Like, the more details

960
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: we get, the more amazing it is. Yeah, it's like

961
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: they're living underneath the Gothic castle in this complex that

962
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: it seems just increasingly. I mean it's expressly described as

963
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: a labyrinth later on. Yeah, with lots of confusing twists

964
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: and secret passages.

965
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: So just great setting, agree, And I love the rooms

966
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: they find in these passageways later on. But oh, we

967
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: also get some backstory about the third person there, about Chi,

968
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: the servant. Lady Schum explains that she found her alone

969
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: while traveling away from the castle years ago, that she

970
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: was deaf and mute the lady, so Lady Schum brought

971
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 3: Chi back to the castle with her to live there

972
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 3: and serve as her personal maid. So we met all

973
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 3: the characters here now. Later that night, Fong the scholar

974
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: and Master Schum have a conversation in Master Shum's secret

975
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: meditation chamber where he's got a go board setup.

976
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I guess it's supposed to be like

977
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: a study. I think we might more realistically, think of

978
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: it as his secret study.

979
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Fong says, why did you bring me here?

980
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: And Schum says, do you believe in ghosts? Fong takes

981
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 3: a diplomatic view that I think could be read multiple

982
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: different ways. He says, ghosts exist if you believe in them,

983
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: otherwise they don't. And I feel like you could there

984
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: are a few different ways you could take that.

985
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how you read it, Rob, I mean,

986
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: I took it to be like Fong is a no

987
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: nonsense kind of guy, you know, it's like that that

988
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: realizes that belief in ghosts is a powerful thing, even

989
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: if ghosts don't exist.

990
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's sort of how I took it too.

991
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: But then I also wondered if, well, maybe he means like,

992
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 3: ghosts do exist and have power, but only over those

993
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: that believe in them. And yeah, but I don't know.

994
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, either way it works.

995
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, Master Shum starts talking about the anniversary of

996
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: the death of his father, and there is a there

997
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: was a funny moment here with like the way the

998
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: subtitles work, with like the timing. Master Shum says he's

999
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: killed by butterflies ten years ago and then there's a

1000
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: music sting and Fong bolts up from his chair. But

1001
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: then Master Shum says kind of sadly that his father

1002
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: didn't believe in ghosts, and for this reason he had

1003
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: no worries about trying to dig up the buried treasures

1004
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: of the General of Pinan or General Pinan. I'm I

1005
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: think this is maybe the same tomb we saw being

1006
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 3: dug up by people earlier in the movie. I don't

1007
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: know if it was supposed to be a depiction of

1008
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: the same scene, but you know, people digging for treasure

1009
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: in a general's tomb, though the general's name appeared to

1010
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: be spelled differently.

1011
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be the same, right, yeah.

1012
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 3: Mastershriam says his father lived peacefully for ten years after

1013
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: this act of grave robbing, but then one day ten

1014
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: years later was attacked by a swarm of killer butterflies.

1015
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: They assaulted the castle in the form of a cloud

1016
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: and descended to slaughter many men that day, and in

1017
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: the re enactment we see butterflies circling the towers and

1018
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 3: the castle walls. They leave soldiers and servants lying bloody

1019
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: in the courtyard. There are a lot of these sickening

1020
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 3: close ups of butterflies crawling over dead men, and then

1021
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: another line where I think it's not supposed to be funny,

1022
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 3: but something gets lost In the subtitle, Fong says, don't

1023
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: worry over it, let's work out together.

1024
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. The subtitles are again generally confusing in places, but

1025
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: rarely like actually, goofy. This is I think maybe the

1026
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: one real exception, and I had a nice hearty laugh

1027
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 2: about it.

1028
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: I think what it must mean is let's work it

1029
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: out together. I think he's saying like, we will solve

1030
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: the problem. That's how I took it, right.

1031
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think clearly what they meant. But I

1032
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 2: also I couldn't help it. Then imagine like, yeah, let's

1033
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: go work out, let's hit the weights.

1034
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of these characters might work out together, but

1035
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be Fong who would do it.

1036
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 3: He does not even lift. Okay. Meanwhile, we get a

1037
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: report to ten Funk about Big Eyed and how he died.

1038
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: They say that his wounds are made of numerous tiny

1039
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 3: holes and his skin is swollen, all symptoms of poison,

1040
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: and in a line that will be repeated by many

1041
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: characters many times throughout the film, someone says, are there

1042
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: really killer butterflies? It's sort of unanswered. That seems like

1043
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: maybe there are. There are some general creepy stalking around

1044
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: in the tunnels in the dark. Who's following who? I

1045
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: don't always know? But Green Shadow is in the mix

1046
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: here somewhere.

1047
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of the Scooby Doo section of the film.

1048
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot of creeping around. Who's creeping? You're not

1049
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: really entirely sure, but hopefully masks will be pulled off

1050
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: later on?

1051
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: Oh boy will they? So suddenly the sneaking around is

1052
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: interrupted by a scream. One of Tin Fong's White Flag

1053
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: soldiers is found lifeless on the ground up above, killed

1054
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: in the same way as Big Eyed. I guess by

1055
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: the butterflies. They're really piling on the butterfly deaths at

1056
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: this point, so Bosston he comes up with a solution.

1057
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: Tin Fong gets his warriors together and he says, cover

1058
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: the castle in nets. So surely these nets will prevent

1059
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: any butterflies from getting in. Is that gonna work? Is

1060
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: it gonna work? Of course not?

1061
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: But will it look cool? You bet it will.

1062
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: They're like they're really just like stacking butterfly murders every

1063
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: couple minutes at this point between the flashbacks and and

1064
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: what's happening in the present, so we also see the

1065
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: Red fl out hunting. It's mostly like the White Flag

1066
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: warriors who are hanging out at the castle with Boss Ten.

1067
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: We see the Red Flags out hunting for butterflies with

1068
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: handheld nets, and they remark that there is not a

1069
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: single butterfly to be found in a twenty mile radius.

1070
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: Where could the killer insects be hiding. But here we're

1071
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: about to get into some investigation scenes, and just a warning.

1072
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: If you want to go into this movie without any

1073
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: of the surprises spoiled, you know we're about to spoil

1074
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: things as we go along, so be fore warned. Inside

1075
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: at night, Fong, the Scholar, and Green Shadow meet in

1076
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: one of the tunnels to discuss the castle. They conclude

1077
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 3: that there has to be a secret entrance to the

1078
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: underground labyrinth, but they cannot find the door even though

1079
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 3: they've both been looking for it. So while they go

1080
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 3: looking around, they come across a hidden room with these

1081
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: hanging screens covered in thousands of dead butterfly specimens. It's

1082
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: like a lepidoptery.

1083
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: Now, this is highly suspicious. Now we seem to be

1084
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: getting somewhere with the butterfly mystery.

1085
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: Right, So Fong and Green Shadow discuss whose work the

1086
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: collection could be, possibly the servant Chi. They note that

1087
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: they both thought that Chi had been with them separately

1088
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: at the time the White Flag soldier was found killed

1089
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: the previous night. So how could Chi have been in

1090
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: two places at once. Hmmm, we'll come back to that,

1091
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: but oh no. Next, Master Schum is attacked by butterflies

1092
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: inside his meditation room. He's but he's like locked inside

1093
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: the room, so they cannot go in and help him.

1094
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: The door is locked from the inside, and everybody's watching

1095
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: through a grate in the door as he is killed

1096
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: by a swarm of butterflies. Eventually they are able to

1097
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 3: blast the doors open with gunpowder, but it's too late.

1098
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 3: Master Schum lies dead on the floor, surrounded by pieces

1099
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: from his go board. Oh boy, Rob, I know you

1100
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: like a will reading scene, don't you.

1101
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where we get the will reading, where

1102
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, he left a will? Did we read it?

1103
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: Should we gather everyone together? Are there agents or individuals

1104
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: out there who don't want us to read the will?

1105
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 4: Oh?

1106
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 2: I think that might be the case.

1107
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, Lady Shum says, Master Shum left an unusual will.

1108
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: It says, quote, my dear wife, I have a wish

1109
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: left let out the message carrying pigeon, and in three

1110
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: days time, Shin, Quak and Lee will arrive. I have

1111
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: a letter to be read to them. Remember read it

1112
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 3: in all threes presence. Remember, So these new characters are

1113
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: being introduced, Shin, Quack, and Lee. Who are they?

1114
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 4: Well?

1115
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: Fong says that it's rumored that ten years ago a

1116
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: very knowledgeable hermit lived. Not only was he an excellent

1117
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: martial artist, he was also learned in the human sciences,

1118
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 3: and he had four students known as the Thunders. Now

1119
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: one of the students, one of the Thunders, was named You,

1120
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: and you is now dead. But the other three are Lee,

1121
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: Shin and Quak, and they are the three mentioned in

1122
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 3: the will. So here we get a summary of the

1123
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: three Thunder's courtesy of Pong. Fong says, First of all,

1124
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: Lee Lee is best at small hand weapons. He is

1125
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: called the thousand Hands. His attacks are totally unexpected. His

1126
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 3: expertise is second to none. Second we have Quak. Quak

1127
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: is also known as magic Fire. He quote has the

1128
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: most killing power, and here we cut to a raven

1129
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 3: flying a scream and men lying scorched on the rocks.

1130
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: And apparently he wiped out a sect known as Fireball

1131
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 3: in one night. So there's some indication that Quak can

1132
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: like send a bird that somehow leaves men lying scorched

1133
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: on the earth. How does that work? Who knows. Finally

1134
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: there's Shin, who is known as Flying Cloud. Nobody knows

1135
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: what he looks like, and he once went through the

1136
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 3: Forbidden Palace. They say, I don't know what that means.

1137
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: Do we eventually see Flying Cloud. I'm a little hazy

1138
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: on this.

1139
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm confused. There may be some one

1140
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 3: thing I missed. I totally admit that it may have

1141
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: gone past me. But I don't think Shin actually appears

1142
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 3: in the film, Okay, unless it's like the secret identity

1143
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: of another pre existing character and that's revealed at some

1144
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: point and I missed it.

1145
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm not alone there, Okay, I don't think so. Okay.

1146
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: The other two we definitely see, though, and they play

1147
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: important parts, especially Clark, who I mentioned in the cast.

1148
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: But they're both really cool. So the thunders are on

1149
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 3: their way, and Tinfong warns his fighters not to confront

1150
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,479
Speaker 3: the Thunders. This is a dangerous situation because on one hand,

1151
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 3: you've got Tin Phong's warriors. You know, they're fighting for power.

1152
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: But the Thunders are these other extremely dangerous martial heroes,

1153
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: you know, these people from the martial world, and you

1154
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: put the put them all in the place together, They're

1155
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: they're gonna fight. I think at some point Boston says,

1156
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: two tigers can't exist at the same time.

1157
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: Now, not discounting other influences, of course, but I mean,

1158
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: one can't help but be reminded of John Carpenter's later

1159
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: film A Big Trouble in Little China, in which we

1160
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 2: have the four Storms, who are exceptional martial artists slash

1161
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: sorcerers who have all sorts of crazy weapons and abilities,

1162
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: and you know, here we have the three Thunders. So

1163
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 2: you know, I can't help but wonder if this had

1164
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: any influence on the ultimate form of that film.

1165
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 3: Well, I think I've read somewhere that the same director's

1166
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: other film, Zoo Warriors in the Magic Mountain, was a

1167
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 3: major influence on Big Trouble.

1168
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: All Right, we'll have to come back to Zoo Warriors

1169
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: it just sounds too Entyson.

1170
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: But the film goes a great length to express and

1171
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: it's good to hammer home here that this is a

1172
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 3: dangerous situation having Boston and the Thunders in the same place,

1173
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 3: because these are rivals, they are likely to come into conflict.

1174
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 4: Now.

1175
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: Next, there's a scene where Fong, the scholar, questions Chi,

1176
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 3: the servant at the castle. He asks her about the

1177
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 3: lepidoptery room with all the butterfly specimens, and she confirms

1178
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: that it is Master Shum's room. And then Fong asks

1179
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 3: her why there are two cheese, because you know, remember

1180
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: he and Green Shadow both were with Chi in different

1181
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 3: places at the same time. She acts frightened by this

1182
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 3: question and tries to run away, but she leads Fong

1183
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: to a different hidden room, a strange room that is

1184
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 3: revealed to be something like a cross between an arsenal

1185
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 3: and an alchemist's lab. It's full of these weird ancient

1186
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: scientific instruments, things that look like weapons, and containers of powders,

1187
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 3: and these like wooden planks with burn marks on them,

1188
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: almost like I don't know, like explosives or incendiaries have

1189
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: been tested here. And so here Fong meets with Green shadow.

1190
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 3: They explore the room and they discuss the the sort

1191
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 3: of a principle of like gunpowder I think being explored here.

1192
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 3: They discuss a sort of secret history of gunpowder weapons,

1193
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 3: including a legendary secret weapon known as the fire gun.

1194
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: So it's a question I think, like, was the owner

1195
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 3: of this room trying to create a like secret gunpowder weapon.

1196
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's again kind of interesting synchronicity here because

1197
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: for our Crossbow episodes that aired earlier this week, I

1198
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: was reading, you know a great deal and need them

1199
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: about about gunpowder innovations and gunpowder weaponry in ancient China,

1200
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: many of which used crossbow or crossbow related elements, and

1201
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: and you know, none of what we see in this

1202
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: film here even really captures like the weird variety of

1203
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: gunpowder based weaponry that was developed in China over the centuries.

1204
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: It's pretty pretty amazing stuff.

1205
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: Now, next we're going to meet some of the Thunders.

1206
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: Not they don't arrive at the castle conventionally because like

1207
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: the White Flag warriors are sort of outside awaiting the

1208
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 3: arrival of the Thunders. Instead, we see the Thunders meeting

1209
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: each other in secret, already underneath the castle. They're in

1210
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: the tunnels beneath the castle. It's a very cool, creepy

1211
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 3: scene where Lee and Quak here appear in shadow, wearing

1212
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 3: hoods and cloaks at first, so their faces are hidden

1213
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 3: in darkness. At first, they're almost even a little suspicious

1214
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: of each other. They say, why did Master Schum invite

1215
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: them to the castle early? They say, Shin used to

1216
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 3: be the first to come here. Why isn't he here yet?

1217
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: But then suddenly their little rendezvous is interrupted by discovering

1218
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: that Green Shadow is there. Green Shadows spying on them again,

1219
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 3: always one step ahead, and they try to They try to,

1220
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 3: like throw weapons at her and stuff, but she's too quick.

1221
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: They can't catch it, and so here eventually all of

1222
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 3: the characters meet one another. We get the full all

1223
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: cast introduction, and the Thunders kind of get up to

1224
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: speed on what has happened so far at the castle,

1225
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 3: but they're still a waiting for Shin, the third Thunder

1226
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 3: to arrive so that the letter can be read. And

1227
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 3: more characters ask the same question, and that keeps coming up.

1228
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: Do killer butterflies really exist? The Thunders discuss this in

1229
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 3: secret between each other. They're very wary of the others.

1230
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 3: Lee and quak. They say that anyone who is in

1231
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 3: our friend is our enemy, and these people don't seem

1232
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 3: to be friends.

1233
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of distrust here, but yeah, but it

1234
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: would also seem like, well, we finally have all of

1235
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: the characters in play that are going to be in play.

1236
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: He might well think this, but he would also seemingly

1237
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: be wrong, because there are more mysterious individuals who are

1238
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 2: going to show up and impact the plot.

1239
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 3: Right, But before the last really important character shows up,

1240
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 3: we get a few more sort of like scenes of

1241
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 3: Green Shadow and Fong, our two main investigators working out

1242
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: what's going on here. So they meet one night. But

1243
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 3: first of all, it's funny because Fong's just like out

1244
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: for a walk and Green Shadow does wire stunts, like

1245
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: just dropping in on him while nothing's going on. So

1246
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: they talk about killer butterflies. But then Fong and Green

1247
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: Shadow sort of compare notes. They say, you know, the

1248
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: Thunders seem to know the castle well, and they were

1249
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 3: close with Master Shum. Why didn't he call them for

1250
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: help initially? Why did he call Boss ten instead of

1251
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 3: the Thunders?

1252
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 2: You know, coming back to where he said about Green Shadow,

1253
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: it really does feel like Green Shadow has not just

1254
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: walked down a hallway or just strolled from point A

1255
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: to point B in a very long time. It's always

1256
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 2: on wires.

1257
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it. She's living that wire life, you know.

1258
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: Also more plot updates. Remember those eight pages of Fong's

1259
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 3: memoirs from the paper Mill, Well, Tinfong shows them to

1260
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 3: Fong and Pong confirms, Yeah, the guy the paper Mill

1261
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 3: was right. I did not write this. This is not mine.

1262
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 3: Somebody is forging works in my name. Pong reasons from

1263
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 3: this because the pages of his memoirs are stories about

1264
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 3: killer butterfly attacks. He says, there must be someone trying

1265
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 3: to use my name to spread the rumor of killer butterflies.

1266
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 3: I wonder if that same person is controlling the butterflies.

1267
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 3: And then oh whoa. Things totally do a major shift

1268
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 3: once again, we get our first slasher movie. Basically, Madam

1269
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 3: Schum in her chambers at night is attacked by this

1270
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 3: film's Jason Vorhees the Armored Warrior, rob what do you

1271
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 3: want to say about the Armored Warrior And the scene.

1272
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: Oh, the Armored Warrior is just absolutely terrifying. Just you know,

1273
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: black armor seemingly just impossible to hurt. You can't maim

1274
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: him or stop him. Just a strong proto slasher vibe here,

1275
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: and he eventually busts out. A lot of his action

1276
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 2: is just more like punches and grabs and throws, and

1277
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: then like some sort of like more minor cloth type stuff.

1278
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 2: But he also has this other strange weapon that he'll

1279
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: bust out that looks kind of like a cross between

1280
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: a lacrosse stick and a deep friar basket, only you know,

1281
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: more deadly looking, and it seems to slash and shred

1282
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: when it comes into contact with human flesh.

1283
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 3: I was going to compare his weapon to the goat

1284
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 3: foot lever that we talked about in the Crossbow episode.

1285
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 3: It's like it's a claw hook weapon that's got like

1286
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 3: two toes on it. But yeah, this rough material, almost

1287
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: like barbed wire strung between the two toes.

1288
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I looked around a little bit. I couldn't find

1289
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 2: anybody talking about this and comparing it to known weapons.

1290
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it actually has anything like

1291
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: a real world analog, if it has something it's supposed

1292
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: to be inspired by, something to do with butterflies, I

1293
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm assuming for now that it's just you know,

1294
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: purely a creation of fantasy, but it's very effective.

1295
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 3: But the scene is interesting because it starts as like

1296
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: it's like a slash or horror scene. This you know,

1297
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: this monstrous warrior attacks Lady Shum in her chamber.

1298
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 2: She escapes.

1299
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 3: The fighters get there in time to defend her and

1300
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 3: chase this warrior off. But then there's like a series

1301
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 3: of awesome fight scenes. So it's like Tinfong versus the

1302
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 3: Armored Warrior and Tin Fong is cool. He we finally

1303
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: see him in action. He fights with this another strange weapon.

1304
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: It's like a very short baton. Know what this would

1305
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 3: be called?

1306
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: Rob I'm not sure now does this baton shoot things?

1307
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 2: Or am I thinking this is just a straight up baton?

1308
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1309
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: There are some things that shoot things. I don't remember

1310
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 3: if his shoots things.

1311
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, things get very The fighting is again kind of

1312
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: mind melting, and there are a number of unique weapons

1313
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: being utilized. Pure fantasy action here.

1314
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 3: But then there's also Green Shadow versus armored warrior, and

1315
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 3: she uses wires in her fighting of him. But eventually

1316
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: the armored warrior escapes into the night. He gets away,

1317
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 3: so they don't get to catch him, and they don't

1318
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 3: get to unmask him or know the identity of the killer.

1319
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 3: Now Madam Schum thinks she knows the identity of the killer.

1320
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 3: She thinks it must be the third Thunder who hasn't

1321
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 3: arrived yet, Shin, And she's like, maybe he wants to

1322
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 3: get to the letter or the will that Master Schum

1323
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 3: left before everybody else does. But hey, remember that thing

1324
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 3: about how Bosston was saying, you know, two tigers can't exist.

1325
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 3: At the same time, we see some real confick breaking

1326
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 3: out because the red Flags and the White Flags end

1327
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 3: up fighting with the Thunders, and the Thunders just mess

1328
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 3: them up. There's like a scene where the Thunders attack

1329
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 3: the red Flags in the forest and are just like

1330
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 3: chopping their arms off and stuff, and they fight with

1331
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 3: the white flags. The white Flags are no match either.

1332
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Thunders are not to be messed with. You're

1333
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: gonna get shredded, you're gonna get blown up, you're gonna

1334
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: get caught on fire.

1335
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 3: But then later the two Thunders we see Investigator. They're

1336
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 3: running around in the tunnels underneath the castle and this

1337
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 3: is Lee and Quak and they catch sight of the

1338
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 3: armored Killer. So they see him and they're like, hey,

1339
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 3: and they chase after him in the dark, and this

1340
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 3: leads to the Butterfly room, the one with all the

1341
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: butterfly specimens mounted on screens and another amazing fight scene.

1342
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 3: So there is an attack where the armored Warrior like

1343
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 3: tries to attack the thunders by throwing I guess the

1344
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 3: poison butterflies at them and the thousand hand thunder Lee

1345
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: he intercepts the butterflies with darts and it's this awesome,

1346
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 3: scary fight scene tight quarters. I thought this was a

1347
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 3: really good one. Again the armored warrior whose identity is hidden.

1348
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 3: He's using the strange claw hook weapon. It's very visceral

1349
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 3: and scary and up close and personal. And there's one

1350
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 3: moment where you think Lee has won because like the

1351
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 3: armored Warrior goes down, but then he suddenly pops back

1352
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 3: up and he is victorious. He kills Lee by like

1353
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 3: ramming his head into a clay pot.

1354
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: This is a great kill sequence, and it's one of

1355
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 2: these where like the way we describe it, like Okay

1356
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: puts them in a headlock, rams his head into a pot,

1357
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound as impressive, but the way that it

1358
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 2: shot it's very thrilling and feels like just very viscerally violent,

1359
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 2: even though it's not like super bloody or anything.

1360
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 3: Okay, next we get some big reveals. Like we said,

1361
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 3: there are a lot of twists that come in this movie.

1362
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: So next we follow Chi in the underground tunnel by herself.

1363
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 3: Remember she's the servant who carries the lantern, and she

1364
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,759
Speaker 3: wanders with her lantern wearing a mask over the bottom

1365
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 3: of her face. What's she doing? Oh, suddenly we see

1366
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 3: her walking not just through the tunnels, but she's walking

1367
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 3: into a cavern like an opening in the tunnels, where

1368
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 3: she's surrounded by butterflies, and yet she's not afraid of them.

1369
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 3: They don't seem to be harming her. She kneels beside

1370
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 3: an underground pool and then she puts something in the

1371
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,919
Speaker 3: water and makes it foam and sizzle, and it produces

1372
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 3: these white fumes. The butterflies seem like affected by the fumes.

1373
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 3: Rob what did you did? It seem almost kind of

1374
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: like the butterflies were like boiling up out of the

1375
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: water or something.

1376
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, this was one of the moments where

1377
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 2: I'm kind of piecing it together, but I'm blaming the

1378
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 2: subtitles for my lack of a pure understanding of what

1379
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: we're dealing with here, because again, so many things in

1380
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: the film like just makes sense on a visual level.

1381
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 2: You don't need the subtitles to explain what's happening. But

1382
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: there's some sort of like magical potion based ex explanation here,

1383
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: and we're not getting all of it.

1384
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I'm following what's happening. I could

1385
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 3: be making mistakes, but essentially here she is caught Green

1386
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 3: Shadow and the scholar Fong appear they have been watching her,

1387
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 3: and they reveal they say, we know you're not Chi.

1388
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 3: You are Madam Schum disguised as Chi. That's why there

1389
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 3: were two cheese. There's the real Chi. And then Madame

1390
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 3: Schum has a Chi costume that she puts on and

1391
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 3: she like hides part of her face to pretend to

1392
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,520
Speaker 3: be her. They say that she has quote butterfly controlling

1393
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 3: medicine and that lady Schum has discovered the art of

1394
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: controlling butterflies. Apparently Fong talks about it almost like the

1395
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 3: art of controlling butterflies is something that is known to

1396
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 3: have been known in the past but was lost and

1397
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 3: now has been rediscovered.

1398
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fair enough, Okay, it's all making sense now.

1399
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 3: So Green Shadow and Fong here are confronting her. They're like,

1400
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: now you're going to tell us everything that's going on,

1401
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 3: because we know you're in on it. But they're interrupted

1402
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: by the armored Warrior in the black armor, the mask

1403
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: the weapon. He comes out and Madame Schum is killed,

1404
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 3: and the armored Warrior escapes, and we see butterflies crawling

1405
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 3: over Lady Shum's dead body as if to mourn it,

1406
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 3: and then later the armored Warrior comes back and caresses

1407
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 3: Lady Shum's body as well. Here's the scene with the

1408
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: killer reveal. The killer is unmasked and it is Master

1409
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 3: Schum himself, the Master of the Castle. He's not dead

1410
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 3: after all, and he's confronted by Pong alone this time,

1411
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 3: who's put all the pieces together. He says that Master

1412
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 3: Schum is actually you remember when they were describing the thunders.

1413
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 3: There are three thunders still living, but one of the

1414
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 3: thunders was already dead. Well, it turns out that that

1415
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 3: thunder was you, and he wasn't dead. It's Schum, the

1416
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 3: Master of the Castle. So this is a plan of

1417
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,919
Speaker 3: the Thunders, many years in the making, to create secret weapons.

1418
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 3: Here at the castle to protect the secret of the weapons.

1419
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 3: And now you must be doing some new stage of

1420
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: the plan.

1421
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm buying all of that, but I still don't

1422
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: know why we invited people to the castle. I don't

1423
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 2: know why the secret will. I feel like there's a

1424
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that I can't quite stitch together.

1425
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I think I understand it. So

1426
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 3: take me Master Schum and Madam Schum here. They used

1427
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 3: killer butterflies first of all, to get rid of all

1428
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: the spies in the castle, because there were spies here

1429
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 3: sent by the other Thunders to keep track of you. Okay,

1430
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 3: so they drive all the spies out with butterflies that

1431
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 3: either killed them or made them flee, and then they

1432
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 3: keep using the butterflies in attacks all around to create

1433
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:40,919
Speaker 3: a confusion. Then Schum created the false memoirs of Fongs

1434
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 3: to spread stories about the killer butterflies killed the paper

1435
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 3: mill owner when he saw through it. The whole point

1436
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: of this was to get the other Marshall heroes to

1437
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: get Tin Fong and Green Shadow to the castle to

1438
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 3: make them fight with the Thunders. Because you wants to,

1439
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 3: I think, rule over everything. He wants to be in charge,

1440
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 3: so He wants all the other martial heroes to get

1441
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 3: together into a tight space, to be in the same

1442
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,560
Speaker 3: place and have to fight each other, just like what

1443
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: happened and we heard in the backstory when all the

1444
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: Marshal heroes fought each other and wiped each other out.

1445
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: He wants to be the last one standing.

1446
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so everything is going is going according to plan here.

1447
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: It's about getting these all these great warriors together, having

1448
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: them destroy each other so that he can rule over

1449
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: everyone instead. Okay, yeah, that's right, all right, I could again.

1450
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: I feel like I would have been on top of

1451
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 2: it had the subtitles bing just a little tighter. But

1452
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 2: I'm there now.

1453
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it is a complicated plot, but I think

1454
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 3: it's a good twist. And so Schum basically admits, Yepfong,

1455
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 3: you figured it out. But men who know too much

1456
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 3: cannot live. So he reveals his claw weapon and he's

1457
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 3: going to kill Fong. There's like a chase, and then

1458
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 3: all kinds of different fighting happens. Schum ends up killing Chi,

1459
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 3: the actual servant. Chum then fights Green Shadow. Fong watches

1460
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 3: as Shum fights Green Shadow. He's helpless, He's not a fighter.

1461
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 3: He can't intervene, and then Tin Fung shows up and

1462
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 3: he gets involved in the fight again. It's like trading

1463
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: off between the different heroes fighting the Armored Warrior, but

1464
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: Schum once again escapes into a tunnel.

1465
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: I have to and I have just drive home here

1466
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: that you know, I'm not like a Hong Kong action

1467
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 2: completist or anything. There are a number of like very

1468
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: prestigious Hong Kong action films that I haven't seen, so

1469
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 2: I can't like speak universally in all of this. But

1470
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 2: all of this action is just blistering. It's just very

1471
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: like technically proficient, you know, well shot inventive. It's just

1472
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: you never know what's going to happen next. And so

1473
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: even though you get just multiple fights and different pair ups,

1474
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: everything is just captivating.

1475
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 3: And I really love that the different heroes have their

1476
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 3: different like fighting styles, so when they trade off fighting

1477
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 3: the villain. There there's a lot of variety in the

1478
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: fight scenes. It's not just like a samey kind of

1479
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 3: fighting over and over. You get Green Shot with her

1480
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 3: like wire stuff, you get Boss ten with this little baton.

1481
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 3: You get of course, the you know, the Armored Warrior

1482
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 3: with his scary visceral kind of fighting with the claw weapon,

1483
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 3: and then of course you get the Thunders. So after

1484
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 3: showm escapes, Fong says, this is the terrible situation. This

1485
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 3: is going to turn into an all out war between

1486
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 3: Tin Fung and the remaining Thunders. So Fong leaves the

1487
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 3: castle at dawn to avoid the battle, and then we

1488
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 3: see the final battle going on again. Two Tigers can't

1489
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 3: exist at the same time, so we've got ten versus

1490
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 3: the Magic Fire Thunder. He's the one left alive. The

1491
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 3: Armored Warrior returns and it's a three way fight. They're

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Speaker 3: sort of like all trying to kill each other. They

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Speaker 3: end up there's like an explosion. I think it's when

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Speaker 3: the statue, the demonic statue explodes. They fighters fall through

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Speaker 3: the floor into the catacombs below. Magic Fire is pinned

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Speaker 3: by a falling pillar. Then you and Magic Fire have

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Speaker 3: this like conversation. Who says, you know, I was left

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Speaker 3: here to protect the secret gun. Why did you other

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Speaker 3: thundersind spies to report on me? And you know, they're

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Speaker 3: like hashing out their grievances and you is giving a

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Speaker 3: speech as the victorious villain. But meanwhile Boston sneaks up

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Speaker 3: on you, and as he does a maniacal laugh, bost

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Speaker 3: Tin springs from cover and there's another fight again. There's

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Speaker 3: some ground grappling, there's some sliding along on wires, and

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Speaker 3: then finally the villain is defeated when Tin like slams

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Speaker 3: his head into to a rock face while while running

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Speaker 3: down down the length of a wire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like a hyper accelerated zip line death

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Speaker 2: sequence that if I when I explain it like that,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really sound like like he probably can't picture it.

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Speaker 2: But within the context of this ridiculously elaborate three way

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Speaker 2: fight scene, it's highly effective.

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Speaker 3: Oh but it's not over because Magic Fire is still

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Speaker 3: alive even though he's like trapped under a pillar. He's

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Speaker 3: sends his killer bird after Ten. And you don't know

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Speaker 3: what the bird's gonna do. It's just like a bird

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Speaker 3: flying around chasing bost ten. What's going to happen? Well,

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Speaker 3: you think Green Shadow comes to the rescue. She's here

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Speaker 3: to save ten. She flies through on a wire. She's

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Speaker 3: gonna save the day. But then, oh, the most devastating

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Speaker 3: ending do you want to explain rob?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 2: that the stunningly nihilistic ending came out of nowhere because

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Speaker 2: issues with subtitles aside, it does seem like we were

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Speaker 2: ratcheting up to it, Like there's this sequence when the

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Speaker 2: scholars leaving where Hang and Fung have this last little

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Speaker 2: conversation and Fung is like, I hope you win, and

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Speaker 2: it feels you know, very stark and in dark, and

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Speaker 2: we end up like flashing back to that here in

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Speaker 2: a bit. But yeah, so Green Shadow like zips into

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Speaker 2: the scene with her you know, general optimism, and she

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Speaker 2: goes and like catches the bird in mid air and

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Speaker 2: the bird explodes like a hand grenade, just blowing Green

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Speaker 2: Shadow up. Like there's no way she survives this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just killed instantly, and and you know, Fung is like

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Speaker 2: like no, and then it comes flying right at Fung's

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Speaker 2: face and explodes in his face. Freeze frame and that's

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Speaker 2: pretty much the end. Yeah, And I was like wow,

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Speaker 2: Like that was just jaw dropping, because again with this

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Speaker 2: feels like a major Wusha subversion here, like this is

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Speaker 2: not our heroes conquering evil or it's not a you know,

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Speaker 2: the sort of tropes that you would expect to encounter

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Speaker 2: in a film like this. No, this is like all

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Speaker 2: of our heroes are dead except for the scholar, who

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Speaker 2: only survived because he left ahead of the cataclysmic final battle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so, but there is a symmetry like it

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Speaker 3: talked about in the backstory with the narration at the

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Speaker 3: very beginning. The movie seems to end with all of

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Speaker 3: the Marshall heroes have killed each other. They're all gone

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Speaker 3: now and the only one is the chronicler to tell

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Speaker 3: the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it, I mean it really really packs a punch. Again,

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Speaker 2: just a fitting way to cap all of this just

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Speaker 2: you know, essentially like high tech fantasy martial arts that's

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Speaker 2: happening here and just have this just again just very

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Speaker 2: nihilistic ending where everybody dies. But again, like I say,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't it. They were clearly building up to this

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Speaker 2: in many ways, so it doesn't feel forced in any

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Speaker 2: fashion either.

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Speaker 3: So in the end, I'd give a big thumbs up

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Speaker 3: to the Butterfly Murders. It is not only its Bonker's

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Speaker 3: premise of killer butterflies. It is that, but it is

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Speaker 3: so much else. It just gives you so much to

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Speaker 3: work with and it keeps you guessing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so, Yeah, highly recommend this one and you know,

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Speaker 2: I hope it gets a better release at some point

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Speaker 2: in the future. It would be great. But on the

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Speaker 2: other hand, I didn't see any indication that that's coming,

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Speaker 2: So I would say, don't you know, don't waste time.

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Speaker 2: If this interests you, go watch it in whatever whatever

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Speaker 2: format you can find it in, because it's it's worth

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Speaker 2: the journey. All right, Well, that's it for this episode

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Speaker 2: of Weird House Cinema. We're going to go ahead and

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Speaker 2: close out, but a reminder that we're primarily a science

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Speaker 2: podcast with core episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but on

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Speaker 2: Fridays we set aside most serious concerns to just talk

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Speaker 2: about a weird film here on the Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 2: If you want to see a list of all the

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Speaker 2: movies we've covered over the years, go to letterbox dot com.

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Speaker 2: It's l E T T e r box d dot com.

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Speaker 2: Our username is weird house and we have a list

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Speaker 2: of all the movies and sometimes a peek ahead at

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Speaker 2: what's to come. If you would like to follow us

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Speaker 2: on social media while we're in the usual places as

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Speaker 2: stuff to blow your mind On Instagram, we are stbym

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Speaker 2: podcast and that's worth following for Weird House fans, because

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Speaker 2: currently our social media crew is putting up a little

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Speaker 2: video kind of like teaser of the film, so you

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Speaker 2: can quickly go there and get maybe a taste of

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Speaker 2: the trailer in addition to the trailer audio that you'll

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Speaker 2: hear in the actual episode.

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Speaker 3: Huge thanks, as always are excellent audio producer JJ Posway.

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