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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contained spoilers Episode seven, Top Hat of

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Speaker 1: the Penguin, So before you get this episode, you gotta

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Speaker 1: go watch that episode of the Penguin television program. Okay, Capeche, Capeche. Hello,

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason gettepsiode.

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Speaker 2: Hed on Mersday night, and welcome back to the xt.

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Speaker 1: Revision of the podcast where We Dive Deep. Is your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture coming here from

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Speaker 1: our podcasts where we're bringing you to.

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Speaker 2: Some amount four.

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Speaker 1: Some amount of episodes, definitely Tuesday and Thursday and occasionally

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and sometimes Friday as well.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, there's only one thing we could be

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Speaker 3: here to talk about, Penguin at seven episode top Hat.

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Speaker 3: Top Hat, which might sound, you know, like you you think, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is gonna be like a cartoony episode, like maybe

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be wearing it. It's gonna be very bleak

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Speaker 3: and depressing and fantastic, because this is a fantastic series.

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Speaker 2: But yes, we are coming the end.

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Speaker 3: Times are coming to us for the Penguin and it's

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Speaker 3: getting very very dark, guys, very dark.

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Speaker 1: It's dive in. Okay, episode seven, Top Hat. We open

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Speaker 1: on a flashback. We see will las as a young

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Speaker 1: boy braces on his legs hanging out with Ma.

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Speaker 2: Kid has such a good accident. He does the accent

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Speaker 2: perfect well.

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Speaker 1: Ma is a struggling single mom mother of three boys,

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Speaker 1: including Oz, and Oz is a mama's boy.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, oh.

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Speaker 1: Baby loves spending time with Ma, loves watching movies with Ma.

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Speaker 1: And when his brothers and we need to talk about those.

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Speaker 1: When his brothers, Jack and Benny show up and Mom

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Speaker 2: He gets very jealous.

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Speaker 1: He gets very Now a couple episodes ago, when Vic

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Speaker 1: And Oz got well. I still hold to my original theory,

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Speaker 1: which is that Oz is also like very upset because

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Speaker 1: I will say now this episode, there is clearly a

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Speaker 3: Even if that which is like I think, incredibly unfair

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Speaker 1: He did.

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Speaker 2: And know what Vick is.

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Speaker 3: Trying to do is be a good hencheet to Oz

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Speaker 3: and look after his mom. But obviously we saw that

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Speaker 2: Came to the case of his brothers.

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Speaker 1: That's right now. Later out on Eron, the brothers see

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Speaker 2: I think that is what we're supposed to think, right.

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Speaker 3: She's like she's like the bookkeeper for Rex, but like

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Speaker 3: And Rex seems to kind of have an interest in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Rex has taken a liking

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Speaker 1: So Oz goes back to the apartment with Ma and

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Speaker 1: Netflix at Telix and Chill Mo Netflix and chill Man

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Speaker 1: watch the nineteen thirty five fred A Still Vehicle top Hat,

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Speaker 1: which apparently which apparently Oz is obsessed with. All he

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Speaker 2: Jack is smart enough to be like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: The floodwaters fill up the tunnel and they die. Also,

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Speaker 3: And I think it's a great insight into like Oz

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Speaker 2: Like there's like it's just like them.

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Speaker 3: The kind of influences that he has and the stylistic

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Speaker 1: You know what I've realized watching this episode. We'll get

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Speaker 1: central like part of the central conflict between Oz and

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Speaker 1: Sophia is nature versus nurture. I think Oz, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: He's dead, and he's guilty about it. You know he's.

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Speaker 1: But I think right, and the lying about is interesting

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Speaker 1: And so that's what I think a lot of the

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Speaker 3: And also it's like a very sad kind of space

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Speaker 3: That, yeah, poor Vic is exactly which already we knew.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a quick brick.

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Speaker 1: So we go back to the present. Oz returns home

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Speaker 1: with this. Sal delighted. He couldn't this is He's been

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Speaker 1: He's beating the ship out of him, to the point

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Speaker 1: that one of the goons has to be like mister Baroni, like, remember,

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Speaker 1: we have to get this guy back alive to Sovia. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we need him to find the Bliss operation at Falcone Manor.

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Speaker 1: Sophia gets the call from Sal that they got Oz,

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Speaker 1: she's so happy. And Sal then says Oz is going

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sophia is like, Ky South's dead, Oz is alive

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Speaker 1: Let's he's a populist, he's a proper analyst, and he's

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Speaker 2: But when it clearly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why she was always complaining.

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Speaker 2: What were you thinking? But anyway, Oz is in a

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Speaker 1: So as Us has being realize what's going on, Sofia's

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00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: on the phone with him and we see her step

440
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: out of the car in front of a club, a

441
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: long shuttered club Monrose, which is going to be important

442
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: in the flashback were we're about to see. So the

443
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: bomb goes off, devastates the bass, the bases in ruins.

444
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: All his guys are gone, all those the Gold the

445
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: Gold Summit.

446
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: Aknown, an unknown amount of his henschees are dead, and

447
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: an unknown amount of people in a large swath of

448
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: Crownpoint are also dead. We flashback to the days after

449
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: the deaths of Oz's brothers Jack and Benny. Francis is

450
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: in mourning. She's locked in a room. Oz is bringing

451
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: her dinner, but then all of a sudden she pops

452
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: out and she's in her evening best in this beautiful

453
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: like spangly gown, and she says, get dressed, Oswal We're

454
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: going out. We're going to Monroe's. They go to Monroe's,

455
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: this club, the future Iceberg Lounge.

456
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 3: Perhaps, perhaps perhaps that could be where he decides to

457
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: take it and make something that's more akin to what

458
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: we know rather than like the rave version that Commin had.

459
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: Also, I think this is really.

460
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: Interesting because Sophia and doctor Rush obviously got a lot

461
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: of information out of Francis. If they're going to Monrose

462
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: because we'd heard Vic, we'd heard Oz.

463
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: Telvic this story or you know. Then she emerged and

464
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: we danced, then you know, she was.

465
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: Like, I need to be happy, And now we get

466
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: to see that flashback, and honestly, it's extremely creepy. So

467
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 3: I will just say I do think while Oz is

468
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: definitely the nature side, I definitely do think that his

469
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 3: relationship with Francis is very unhealthy and he was nurtured into.

470
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 2: Being like an extremely fucked up person.

471
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Very very clearly very unhealthy. So we go back to

472
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: that day, they go to Monroe's. They're dancing to jazz

473
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: music together, very very strange.

474
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: In a whole room only adults.

475
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Francis. Francis cries and tells Oz like, why is

476
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: this happening to me? I don't I deserve to be happy?

477
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: All this tragedy in my life, Oz agrees, says, MA,

478
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you the best life you ever saw. MA,

479
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it for you. I know, with' from

480
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: the east Side and nobody thinks anything on us, with

481
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: everybody forgot about us. But I'm gonna get you the

482
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: best of Everything's only gonna be the best for you.

483
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: Bond bonds and rolls, roycees and and the whole thing,

484
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: just for yo. Ma uh. We flashed to the present. Oz. Ever,

485
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: the survivor crawls out of the wreckage of his own base.

486
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: We actually, we should mention that in the explosion, Oz

487
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: falls down. He falls down the very tunnel that he

488
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: could not get down as a kid.

489
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: He literally hides in the place where he trapped his

490
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: brothers and killed them and knows that he will survive

491
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: if he hides in the so very bleak bleak.

492
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: Bleak, bleak, bleak, bleep bleak. Crown Point. Is it's bad.

493
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean there's people, there's bodies in the streets, there's

494
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: injured people in the streets. It's a devastating, devastating attack

495
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: on Crown Point. And Oz is swoozy, but as he

496
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of is clearing his head. Here comes a gigante

497
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: henchman who's like Oz, Sophia wants to see a boom

498
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: knocks him out and that's the end of the episode

499
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: and hurts. It is bleak. It is an incredible show.

500
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: These are two of the worst people that have ever existed.

501
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think that they did such an astonishing

502
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 3: job of setting them both up as underdogs and then going, oh,

503
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: by the end of this, like you want to. I

504
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: was literally gonna dress up as Sofia Falcone. I have

505
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: a fake for jacket in my house, the eye purchase.

506
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm sorry, I had to change.

507
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: I was like, after I watched this episode, I was like,

508
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: I can no longer continue my Sophia.

509
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Propaganda.

510
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: Is it the killing of the I mean, is she

511
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: casting a child into the.

512
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: Into the way she cheated the machinery of the stick.

513
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: And essentially has now locked Gia up in the state

514
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: the same way she was locked up so cannot.

515
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: And told her, actually, this is better for you.

516
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

517
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: I think that is truly just so heartbreakingly grotesque.

518
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Is it the way she like committed a terrorist attack

519
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: on on the East side of Gotham and killed an

520
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: unknown amount of innocent people.

521
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Just because of just because she hated all fewed with Os.

522
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: I think the thing that.

523
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: Is most interesting about where this show ends is I

524
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: would love to see Batman too, where essentially Batman is

525
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: just having to deal with the fallout of these two

526
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: trying to destroy each other constantly because they are so

527
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: made for each other.

528
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: In this kind of night Jugar Batman is.

529
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: Ju exactly exactly, Yeah.

530
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Let's let's really like, let's see, Okay, who's worse.

531
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Oz killed killed his brothers as a child.

532
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: I still think Oz is wife because the truth is,

533
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: look Oz, he had a mom who at least like

534
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: marginally loved him.

535
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: He had a house.

536
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: I think she really let's not I think she really

537
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: really really loved him and her kids like she's very

538
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: I think she's really warm with Jack and Benny as well.

539
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, before before he kills them.

540
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: I think that Sophia is the argument for Sophia being

541
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: just as bad as she is complicit in what her

542
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: family does rather than actively, you know, killing someone when

543
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: you were a child.

544
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: But the thing is, I do believe that.

545
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: Up to a point, Sophia seems like the more multiple point.

546
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: I think point. I think I think up to this episode,

547
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: I would easily give you. While Sophia is complicit in

548
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: a lot of things, she you have that feels like

549
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: her vengeance is around and she should feel like hard

550
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: done by by Oz, And certainly I understand it at

551
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: this point when you've again cast a child into the

552
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: arms of the state, killed untold numbers of innocent citizens

553
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: of Gotham, and are like harshly interrogating a adult woman

554
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: like Jesus is not.

555
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: I was gonna say no, no, no, But she has

556
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: also got dementia.

557
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: She's got dementia, and you have set doctor Russia on her,

558
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: tortured you.

559
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: No, definitely horrible.

560
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: Okay. Something in trusting as well that I think will

561
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: ultimately be Sophia's downfall is My prediction is after the Gold.

562
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: Summit, or as we called it, the Beer Summit last.

563
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: Week, I think that a lot of the people that

564
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: she just eradicated were most of the crime gangs and Gotham.

565
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: So I think this essentially establishes a space and Sal's gone. Now,

566
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: Sophia doesn't really have any interest in anything other than

567
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: vengeance against Oz and potentially like running away to live

568
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: next to lake Como in probably one of Carmen and

569
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: Falcone's fifty.

570
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: She should do it today, she should have done it,

571
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: she should.

572
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: Have gone it yesterday. Baby.

573
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: But I do think this essentially paves the way for

574
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: Oz to be able to take over as the crime

575
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: Boss of Gotham or the under crime boss of Gotham.

576
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: And also he is going to be able to come

577
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: out of this now, even though it is absolutely his fault,

578
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: he is going to be able to come out of

579
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: this as once again the savior of Crown Point.

580
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: Oh, somebody did this terrible attack on us.

581
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able to to help you guys out.

582
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Exactly gonna do. That's exactly what he's gonna do.

583
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: Does this now mean that Bliss is done?

584
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: Like I think Bliss was always I think Bliss was

585
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: always a means to an end. It was just as

586
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: Francis says in this episode, Crack drops Bliss, It's all

587
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: the same. I think I think Oz always saw Bliss

588
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: as merely a stepping stone to get where he wants

589
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: to go. And I think you know, the thing we were,

590
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: we we kind of theorize, I theorized last week was like,

591
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: maybe there's a way where Sophia and I'll figure out

592
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: how to work together. I think that's done.

593
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: I think that's done.

594
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I think somehow Oz figures out how to defeat Sophia,

595
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: because I think Sophia she had the chance this episode

596
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: to walk away she thought about it.

597
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Or to team up with Oz or fake team up

598
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: with him.

599
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: Continue that weird like not trustworthy allegiance. Okay, so next episode.

600
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: I mean, this show is so fantastically written. I wouldn't

601
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: be surprised if the whole episode's just in Monrose and

602
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: it's like basically like a two or three hander.

603
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: But Vic, I ri ip to that bar.

604
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: All he's gonna feel very very sad while I say this,

605
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: I think Vic is a goner, and I think Oz

606
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: either sacrifices him.

607
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I was gonna say I used

608
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: to feel like in the lead up, there was obvious

609
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: that he was gonna not be able to protect Francis

610
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: because that was an unfair job for like a random teenager.

611
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: But Oz actually helped Vic escape after that happened from

612
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: Maroney's men. So I feel like I used to think

613
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: Oz might have killed Vick as a punishment, But I

614
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: think you're right, I think it might be a sacrifice.

615
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: I think he might have to choose between his Ma

616
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: and Vic, and obviously Ma's gonna.

617
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: Wins, always gonna, always gonna win.

618
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: And I'm really sad about that because I loved your

619
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: theory where like both of them would be done and

620
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: it would potentially have the opportunity to kind of rise

621
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: up the ranks or survive. But I don't think that's

622
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: gonna happen, and I'm really sad about it. I do

623
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: think both Oz and Sofia are going to survive this

624
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: season though, now as we're at the finale, I do

625
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: think both are gonna survive.

626
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you because it's too juicy, right,

627
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: it's too good. It's too good.

628
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 5: It's it's which which is EXEC is not watching or

629
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 5: creative exec is not watching this show being like oh

630
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 5: my god, like come on, Like every episode is getting

631
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 5: more views.

632
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: Which is very very rare.

633
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 3: It's quite killing eve Esque in views and tone. And

634
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: I think that the potential here for Matt Reeves to

635
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: expand this universe is.

636
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: Just gonna keep going.

637
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, imagine if Sophia left and then

638
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: you just do a whole thing of her trying to

639
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: run a crime family in like fucking Italy, like I

640
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: would watch that like there's so many options, and obviously,

641
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: with the Batman coming so close after this timeline wise,

642
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: we're going to see Oz as probably one of the

643
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: main contenders in that Batman too.

644
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: I think Oz either takes Sophia prisoner and keeps her

645
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: like in a dungeon at the end of the episode, oh,

646
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: because I think that's the worst. I think that's the

647
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: worst thing that she can imagine is back in a cell.

648
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: He gets her.

649
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: Reflection of what she did to Johnny baked Evt.

650
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, or he gets her recommitted to Arkham or something.

651
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're I think that's where it's

652
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: going for Sophia, and that.

653
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: Could actually lead to Sophia coming out as your more

654
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: traditional comic bookie hangman in the future to get her revenge.

655
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: And I think Oz does his version of we saw

656
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: the tuxedo, right, he's got to put it on, And

657
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: I think if he's going to put the tuxedo on,

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Speaker 1: that means he's going to go He's putting seen him.

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Speaker 1: We've seen him messing around with city council politics, right

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Speaker 1: with the city councilman, I think he starts to get

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Speaker 1: like a air quotes reputable citizen of Gotham in his

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Speaker 1: own Yeah, I think some sort of way. And I

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Speaker 1: think he sacrifices Vic in some sort of like ultimate

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Speaker 1: showdown with the Gigantes and uses that to be like

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Speaker 1: with his gangs, be like you see he was one

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Speaker 1: of you, and look what they did, and it's something

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 3: Does does Francis actually survive to see Oz's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If she don't know, I would not be surprised if

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Speaker 1: she died.

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Speaker 3: Does does Sophia ruin Oz's relationship with Francis by somehow

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Speaker 3: implying or revealing the truth about what happened to the

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's where where she's going. I

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Speaker 1: think she wants to get from Oz in front of

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Speaker 1: mom what happened. I think that's her ultimate, like she

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Speaker 1: knows that would hurt Oz the most to have to

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Speaker 1: say yeah, I killed my brothers, yeah, in front of

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Speaker 1: surprised if Francis dies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At all. Well, this is a cherry note no Tuesday

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Speaker 1: episode this week, but on Wednesday, Rosie joins the extras

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Speaker 1: to wrap up their rewatch of Arcane season one. Also

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Speaker 1: very bak, also a very bleak show. That's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye x ray Vision is

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Speaker 1: hosted by Jason Kensepsion and Rosie Knight and is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Joelle Smith

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Speaker 1: and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a Boo Zafar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme

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Speaker 1: song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord. Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi are Discord moderator