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Speaker 1: Loka Tora Radio is a radiophonic novella, which is just.

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Speaker 2: A very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Fosa m and I am Mala Munos. Lokatra Radio

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Speaker 1: is your Brima's favorite podcast hosted by us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 3: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 3: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on trending topics through

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Speaker 3: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives.

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Meth and Bullshit and.

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Speaker 4: Las Borcas Prosas.

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Speaker 1: We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen, but joined iHeartMedia's

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Speaker 1: Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 2: Bartol Mundo, Welcome to season eight.

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Speaker 4: Are you listening? O?

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Speaker 1: Laaka moti Is Welcome to Season eight of lok Atra Radio.

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Speaker 2: I'm the Osa and I am Mala. How are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing a pair of olive green satin pants.

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Speaker 2: They're cute. They're real cute.

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Speaker 4: It's like a new look for me.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Styled by Brenda Ani.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, let's talk about this because we are working

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Speaker 3: with the stylist now.

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Speaker 1: It's exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to work with someone that like looks

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Speaker 1: at your body and then pulls pieces for you based

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Speaker 1: and all of that and knows like, yes, you can

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Speaker 1: alter this, No you shouldn't alter that.

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Speaker 4: So that's fun.

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Speaker 3: It's fun. It's been fun. And Brenda actually styled us

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Speaker 3: for our Michael Dura two year anniversary show, and we

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Speaker 3: looked great.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she did a really good job.

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Speaker 3: She pulled a bunch of pieces, came to our house,

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Speaker 3: is like, did proper fittings. And the proof is in

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Speaker 3: the pudding. The girl has the eye.

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Speaker 4: We have arrived, is how I feel totally.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we got nothing but compliments. Robert did our

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Speaker 1: You know, I love our individual styles. I love our

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Speaker 1: collective styles. But I will say over the last seven years,

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Speaker 1: there have been some hits and there have been some misses.

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Speaker 1: I won't necessarily air out the missus on air, but

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Speaker 1: I know, and you know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. Tell me where

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Speaker 2: where were the which was where the missus?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we've had some custom pieces made.

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Speaker 1: Know, needed a little bit more time, need a little

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, there's you know, even celebrities with

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Speaker 3: That with us, like we were trying to be custom

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Speaker 4: It was early on.

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Speaker 3: I mean when Brenda brought us like our new pieces

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were styling ourselves for all these events

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Speaker 1: Honestly, today, we are so excited to be in conversation

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Speaker 1: with Jade Richard Craven about her journey to becoming a

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Speaker 3: This is a really exciting interview. Jade actually played tackle

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Speaker 3: welcome to the show, Jade Richard Craven. All right, Jade,

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Speaker 3: welcome to Look at THRA Radio.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing well? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm so excited to have you here in studio.

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Speaker 6: Yes, my name is Jade Richard Craven. I'm a writer

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Speaker 6: and co executive producer of a new two B film

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Speaker 6: a Netflix Marvel show called Luke Cage, and then did

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Speaker 6: Bob Thornton, and then I've been working in development kind

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Speaker 6: of to learn how to pitch and things like that,

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Speaker 6: so proud that it is a movie on two B

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you did iconically like you were the talk

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Speaker 3: of the town in high school.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was hard. Thank you for calling the iconic.

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Speaker 6: Like it was cool, It was cool, It was different,

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I was a little Like I was telling

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Speaker 5: I channel that football.

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Speaker 6: Energy into my Hollywood endeavors. When I was in high school,

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Speaker 6: middle school, I was like faster than the boys because girls,

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Speaker 6: which is different from the movie. So frenchman year is

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Speaker 6: like no one tries out at our high school.

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Speaker 5: It's not like that, and they're like, okay, you know,

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Speaker 6: This is where my soapy you know, WB mind comes

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Speaker 5: And that's where it just kind of escalated. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Okay kJ Appa's character secretly with the teacher, and so

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think what I chose to fictionalize the

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Speaker 5: But I think the dad's stuff is pretty spot on.

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Speaker 5: It's been really cool.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I love this tweet that you sent me

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Speaker 3: There's a cute little cliche sapphic movie for y'all called

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Speaker 2: Girl in a nutshell.

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Speaker 6: she adds in and she has a crush on the

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00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 6: pre pre med girl.

445
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, genius, Like we need to just say.

446
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 6: What it is instead of like, yeah, trying to hide

447
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 6: the fact like that it's a queer movie. Even though

448
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 6: it is a queer movie, no one was trying to

449
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 6: hide it. I just feel like if you target the

450
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 6: right audience, Like once the queer audience found it, they're

451
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 6: like boom, you know, and and my roommates were like WHOA.

452
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 6: I'm like, because we're hungry for good content and people

453
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 6: you know, have pushed back and you know, politics bought

454
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 6: a blauh aah blah. But you look at like heartstopper

455
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 6: or bottoms coming out, and like a lot of people

456
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 6: are really excited about these things because we don't get

457
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 6: as much content, especially for diverse folks. Like yeah, so

458
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 6: to have like a black protagonist, that is what I

459
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 6: was a little afraid of, honestly, because sometimes there's pushback,

460
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 6: as you guys know in different communities about queerness and

461
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 6: you know, oh my gosh, you're you know, why are

462
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 6: you exposing that? Or you're supposed to be like this

463
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 6: version of black excellence and that isn't.

464
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 5: A part of it.

465
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 6: So I was a little like, like there were certain

466
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 6: people we had a screening party, and I was just like, mom, like,

467
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 6: if you invite this person, make sure they're cool with

468
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 6: the fact that it's queer, Like I don't want any

469
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 6: any surprises and anyone getting up and being disgusted, you know,

470
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 6: like or whatever.

471
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 5: It is.

472
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 6: Just everybody was great, but I you always have to

473
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 6: be like hyper aware of.

474
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 5: It, I think in both of our communities.

475
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, yeah, totally, And I think you're spot on

476
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: there is of course, we have the the Love Simons, yes, right,

477
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 3: we have the Chay diaz Is.

478
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: But for the teen girls in color. There's a big

479
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: hole there.

480
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's huge.

481
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 4: I would say.

482
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: The only that I can think of is like XO Kitty.

483
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: They came out on Netflix.

484
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 4: It's a spin off of.

485
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: All the boys I loved right before, and that's a

486
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: cute like queer coming of age right aps.

487
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, you know what's funny. I saw that as

488
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 6: this movie was coming out. I was like, oh, like

489
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 6: we were onto something.

490
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely something in the water.

491
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

492
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

493
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: Even in grad school when I was in my screenwriting class,

494
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: I was writing a coming of age queer, really rom

495
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: com but for for youth, right, And so it's definitely

496
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: to your point that we're hungry for the stories. We

497
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: want to write them, we want to tell them. Yes,

498
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: clearly the audience has found your film.

499
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

500
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 6: No, it's very exciting. And this just happened over the

501
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 6: past month where it was kind of dead in the

502
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 6: water for a second. I was like, okay, but then

503
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 6: you know, once this traction hits and the video of

504
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 6: the oh.

505
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: My god, I love it Spanish Spanish, I used to

506
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: do it all the way over here and I'm like,

507
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 3: this is my recap now for that.

508
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: Was gonna be my question, like how did this YouTuber

509
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: find the movie?

510
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: If you know?

511
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 5: And like I don't know, is this person from Spain.

512
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: The account is called to Reinas and they did like

513
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 3: a fan recap of Great Iron Grind.

514
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 5: It's beautiful.

515
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the title of the video is I Love Lesbian.

516
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 3: Page's so good, Like this is what I live for.

517
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 5: Do you understand? Fan videos are what I live for.

518
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: They're going straight to it. We got new Lesbos, we

519
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: got a new one.

520
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: We got new Lesbian, A couple of fresh meat.

521
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

522
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 6: They really were like, okay, yeah, we we ship them.

523
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 6: But yeah, this video it like it's so beautiful. I

524
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 6: mean I think just like the Spanish language is beautiful.

525
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 6: It talks about the story, but also like it's not

526
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 6: your average sports movie and there's passion and I'm like

527
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 6: like thank you. So my one theory is people really

528
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 6: love the actors who played Pace Marilla Cardoso, and she's

529
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 6: actually Brazilian in I don't know how much of this

530
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 6: I can say, but in the original backstory for Page,

531
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 6: her mom is like the really strict Latina Catholic woman

532
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 6: and like in her dad's chill, right, So she's like

533
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 6: mixed race or biracial.

534
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 5: But we didn't get to dig into that.

535
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 6: So if there's a sequel, maybe we'll get into that

536
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 6: because all the parents are really like accepting and I'm like,

537
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 6: but there'll be one, right, yeah, which was also cool,

538
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 6: like I wanted to show that it was about Riley

539
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 6: accepting herself, not her family or sister or anything. Everyone

540
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 6: else was just like whatever, it was her internal issue.

541
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 6: And I think that's how that was for me. But

542
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 6: the other theory I have about like the Spanish global

543
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 6: response is I don't know when to be released as

544
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 6: movies internationally or like which countries. So I know I

545
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 6: have some friends who had to get like a VPN

546
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 6: in Argentina or had to get a VPN in like

547
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 6: the Middle East. But I think it's maybe it was

548
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 6: released later.

549
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 5: But I do.

550
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 6: I do think like these videos plus the Twitter, like

551
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 6: I think it's connected. That's what I believe, just chatter

552
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 6: like yeah, you know, like some momentum picked up, someone

553
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 6: found it and then they're like, oh, this is actually

554
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 6: good because you won't know if you're not looking for it,

555
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 6: and that that's what was hard for me, I will say,

556
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 6: is like lack of promotion because I was like, I know,

557
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 6: we have a really good project. The cast and crew

558
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 6: did amazing, The director Kevin did amazing, Naomi who played Riley,

559
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 6: did amazing, and Marilla and Sharon. We just had this

560
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 6: outstanding cast. It all worked out so well, and I

561
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 6: was like, and now you're not gonna, you know, show

562
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 6: the goods like so that was hard, but it's finding

563
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 6: its own audience.

564
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: I think.

565
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kids who are online, right, they're gonna they're

566
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: gonna find it, and they're gonna spread it exactly.

567
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 6: And that power of social media now it's like wildfire.

568
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

569
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it sets up the film to be,

570
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like it's iconic among the youth. Yes,

571
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: if they're the ones who are fighting it in promoting.

572
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, like hopefully a little mini you know, low budget.

573
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: Cult classic kind of Yeah. I would love that. That

574
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 5: would be very special.

575
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a bad way to start your filmmaking journey.

576
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

577
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 6: I mean, and it makes me hungry to make like

578
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 6: more things that are meaningful to people, because I think

579
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 6: that was the hardest thing after it came out, being like,

580
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 6: I'm so satisfied with it, but just knowing I reached

581
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 6: some people was really special to me and validated a

582
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 6: lot of like all the late nights and stuff and

583
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 6: the internal turmoil, you know, to be like, I've always

584
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 6: wanted to make a difference for other people who are

585
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 6: going through the same struggles, like maybe they don't have

586
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 6: to come out at twenty five, maybe they can come

587
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 6: out a little earlier or whatever.

588
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, love it.

589
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. So you mentioned earlier that you've

590
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: been in Hollywood or working in Hollywood for eight years.

591
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: So how did you find your way into filmmaking and screenwriting?

592
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

593
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's funny.

594
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 6: Since I was like little, I've really always loved film

595
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 6: and TV. I joke about like CWWB shows, but that's that.

596
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 5: Was my jam.

597
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 6: And so I noticed like all those shows did not

598
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 6: have any black or queer or Latina people on them

599
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 6: at all, you know, maybe like a four episode arc

600
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 6: out of a twenty two season and then it was

601
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 6: like they're gone. But yeah, I think for me, coming

602
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 6: of age wise, like it was always film, TV and sports,

603
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 6: and so mixing those things together made a lot of

604
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 6: sense for me with Gridiron Grind. But in college, I

605
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 6: took a ton of film courses at Duke and they

606
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 6: were amazing, and I kind of had to seek them

607
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 6: out on my own. I wasn't ready to go to

608
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: like an NYU or USC and be like I'm Spielberg

609
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 6: and I've had a camera forever. You know, I just

610
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 6: knew I wanted to do it. But I also I

611
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 6: feel like even harder than saying like I'm queer, is

612
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 6: I'm a writer?

613
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

614
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that's the ultimate, like yeah, here we go.

615
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think even the word producer my mom

616
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 6: likes a little better, like, oh, maybe she's like a

617
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 6: little more money.

618
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: She's a producer and skirts so funny, right, so annoying.

619
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: Not that your mom's annoying, No.

620
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 5: No, she's not.

621
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 6: Just you know, guys have been the most supportive about

622
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 6: this movie. She's like, uh, everybody needs to watch it.

623
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: No, she's been great. But yeah, the whole writer thing

624
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 5: was scary.

625
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: To the whole writer things, that's hilarious.

626
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 6: So I wrote a couple of screenplays in college that

627
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 6: were not good, and then I did.

628
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 5: A bunch of internships in college.

629
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 6: Every summer i'd come back and the whole Gridiron Grind team,

630
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 6: or at least the producers at bar Vista will tell

631
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 6: you I'm obsessed with like.

632
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 5: Music and TV.

633
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 6: So that also is really important to me, and we

634
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 6: got to use this great Fox library, but you know,

635
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 6: it was ultimately like the director's decision, and you know,

636
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 6: me and teen dramas, I'm like, what song's playing at

637
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 6: the end, like that is my And someone a fan

638
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 6: did ask like where can I find this song? Because

639
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 6: it's like a great song they use at the end,

640
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 6: and it's just more complicated now. But I'm like, that's

641
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 6: part of the fandom, you know, that's how you keep

642
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 6: it going, Like me watching the YouTube videos of you know,

643
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 6: Atypical or whatever Netflix show and being like, oh, this

644
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 6: is the moment you know, Casey came out to Izzy

645
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 6: and and then you got to like relive it, right.

646
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 6: So but for me, it was like internships in music first,

647
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 6: and then it's like a lot of networking and hustling,

648
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 6: working for free forever, right yeah, so yeah, two internships

649
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 6: in music, then I did one Lionsgate, then I did

650
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 6: another like small development company, then Luke Cage PA. Right

651
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 6: after graduation, like literally the day after graduation, I was like, boom,

652
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 6: I'm here. Prospect Studios on to Rhymes is right next

653
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 6: door with Gray's and Adam and I.

654
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: Was like I made it. You know, I'm this eager pa.

655
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 5: Then eight years later, I'm like just trying to make

656
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: a living. Come on, you know.

657
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the grind exactly, the grind. And that's what

658
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 6: I try to tell people about the movie. The title.

659
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 6: I'm like, it had another title, but the grind is real. Like,

660
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 6: so it's the football grind and the Hollywood Grind is

661
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 6: no joke.

662
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: But it worked. It worked. Here you are, yes, you

663
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: made the movie. The movie has been made. It's out

664
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: in the world for everyone to see.

665
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you could say it has worked.

666
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 6: I feel like making something is so satisfying and getting

667
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 6: to see it and like I said, reaching fans and whatnot,

668
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 6: telling telling a story that is very special to me

669
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 6: and I think important for the world to see, especially

670
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 6: like in the I'm not just political climate, but the

671
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 6: you know, LGBTQ attacks and stuff on allies and what.

672
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

673
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 6: So it's just like I hope that at least what

674
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 6: I learned in media classes too, is that a lot

675
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 6: of times when things are really bad politically, things can

676
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 6: get better in the media space because like queer audiences

677
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 6: should want to see queer joy. That's like all you

678
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: don't want to see someone dying or not coming out

679
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 6: or you know, I'm like, yes, the girls are gonna

680
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 6: kiss at the end and they're gonna be happy. Like

681
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 6: I'm hesitant to make another one because I'm like, I

682
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 6: don't want them to fight, Like I just.

683
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: Wanted to be like happy.

684
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, so, because it's like so rare for us to

685
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 6: get that on screen. But yeah, So then it's like

686
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 6: Luke Cage pa assistant. And then I worked with Jocoker

687
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 6: for a while, who's this great producer, and he kind

688
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 6: of encouraged me to keep writing, but then also do

689
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 6: the development stuff with him. And now it's it's just

690
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 6: about how you how you make a living as a writer,

691
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 6: as you guys know, as an artist. Like it's just

692
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 6: it's tough right now, you know, with the strikes, with

693
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 6: everything going on, and it's it's like a critical moment

694
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 6: of also you want to make something that you're passionate

695
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 6: about or do you want to make something that pays

696
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 6: the bills?

697
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 5: And those don't always align.

698
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: Speaking of stories, I know you have more stories, yeah

699
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 3: you want to tell yes, So are you working on

700
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: something new and or what types of stories are you

701
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: hoping to bring into the world And get made.

702
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 6: So I hope to tell more stories about mental health, honestly,

703
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 6: but it's kind of that is another.

704
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: Form of like coming out. I'm just like, oh yeah, right,

705
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 5: coming out of sad.

706
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm sad.

707
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 5: I'm like a really.

708
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Sad right to your parents.

709
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: Yeah no sad.

710
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's a sad queer filmmaker. What more, what

711
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: did we do?

712
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 5: She laughs? Yeah?

713
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh god, I want to tell it in kind

714
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 6: of a dark comedic way. So I have this like

715
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 6: coming of age in your twenties story, so like figuring out,

716
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 6: you know, what type of stories people want to tell

717
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 6: in terms of meaning, like what we'll also sell to,

718
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 6: Like is it a show like Shrinking on Apple Jason

719
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 6: Siegel or like an insecure fleabag? But I think I

720
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 6: want to keep doing the coming of age stories, but

721
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 6: maybe just a little bit older. I've also thought about

722
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 6: the college space a lot. But I wrote this pilot

723
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 6: that ironically was called Abbot like a while ago, I know,

724
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 6: so now I changed it.

725
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: To Atwood, which is good, also very good.

726
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, Abbot is great. Oh yeah, Abbit's a hilarious show.

727
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 6: But it's weird because the dramas I love growing up

728
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 6: like are not there.

729
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: Anymore.

730
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 6: So now it's like you get a half hour drama

731
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 6: dy like Heartstopper or never have I ever love those

732
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 6: two shows, but the hour longs are like succession.

733
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 5: Only you know, before we were like too much.

734
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did love your film because it's like there's love,

735
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 3: there's romance, there's complex teen emotions, but like they're safe. Yes,

736
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: nothing horrible is happening to them, exactly, I'm not scared

737
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: for them exactly.

738
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Speaker 1: You know, yes, yeah, we were talking about that because

739
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: we just produced an episode on America fitted as like

740
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: canon of work, right, and.

741
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 5: So I love her.

742
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: And when doing the rewatch of like Sisterhood of the

743
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Traveling Pants, I'm like, this is age appropriate for the

744
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: time that we were growing up. So obviously it doesn't

745
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: necessarily translate now as an adult, but the themes were so complex,

746
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we have that in the

747
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: same way anymore.

748
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 5: I don't think we do.

749
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: Not with film and not with like a twenty two

750
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: episode season, one hour show like Gossip Girl back.

751
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: In the day.

752
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: That's to your point, like, yeah, they only had like

753
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: four people of color throughout that whole series, but it's

754
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: still had the room to like grow and develop all

755
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the characters.

756
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 6: Well that's what I I mean, pitch these shows. As

757
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 6: as I was coming up, was like, it's Gossip Girl,

758
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 6: but make it black and queer. Like, I think it's

759
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 6: unfortunate to me that these coming of age stories that

760
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 6: are very much you know, it's TV fourteen or PG thirteen,

761
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it. But you know, you

762
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 6: might see like some people, some men shirtless or someone

763
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 6: in a bra, but it's like you're not gonna see

764
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 6: them having rough sex like euphoria, right, And I don't

765
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 6: want to, Like, I don't want that, you know, I

766
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 6: want it to be happy.

767
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 5: I want there to be lessons at the end of

768
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 5: the day. You want them to be safe.

769
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so yeah, I do want to create more

770
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 6: content like this. And for me, I guess in the

771
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 6: movie space, like you mentioned how to All the Boys

772
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 6: I've Loved Before is kind of in that arena.

773
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

774
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 6: I hope for TV that it comes back, and I

775
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 6: think that people are hopefully starting to realize that, you know,

776
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 6: ad based television is not like the Devil, and so

777
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 6: that's how TV has made money for over like one

778
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 6: hundred years. And radio podcasting right is huge, because like

779
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 6: it's profitable too and interesting, and so I think that

780
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 6: wouldn't be my dream. If you know, a two B

781
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 6: or Netflix or whoever wanted to do like a show

782
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 6: like back in the day, I think it would have

783
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 6: to be shorter, like maybe thirteen episodes.

784
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: But I don't know.

785
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, if it were with commercial breaks, I do see

786
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 6: like a resurgence, possibly because I think there's an audience

787
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 6: hungry for it. Yeah, I don't know why, it just

788
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 6: like kind of stopped. Yeah, it's a shame.

789
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: And I see the kids.

791
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: I see the kids on TikTok, you know, like, oh

792
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: have you seen Heathers, Like have you seen like.

793
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 5: They go back because they want it, they want it.

794
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

795
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 6: No, they are all these like young audiences finding you

796
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 6: know One Tree Hill.

797
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: Gilmore Girls, Gotta Kick it Up, Gotta kick it Up.

798
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, Dawson's Creek whatever it is. And all these

799
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 6: shows are streaming on like eight different platforms, not really,

800
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 6: but you know three.

801
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 5: It's like you go from.

802
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 6: Hulu to Netflix to this and they're they're carrying these

803
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 6: streaming sites.

804
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, they really are.

805
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: I know they are, and they're and they're the model

806
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: that are not being made anymore.

807
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 4: I know that's not.

808
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: To get all philosophical, No, like that is really something

809
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: to consider of, how like the instant gratification of the streamers, right,

810
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: and you can.

811
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: Binge it all and I love to binge, right, but

812
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: before back in the day, when you got to you

813
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: had to wait.

814
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 5: Week to weeks bright and I love that.

815
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 6: I love in my head imagining what was gonna happen,

816
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 6: Like are Luis and Brook gonna break up over the

817
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 6: summer or they gonna be together? You know, I loved

818
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 6: those cliffhangers and like live for that stuff, right, and

819
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 6: now there's yeah, instant gratification and what bothershed.

820
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 5: Me the most about these shows?

821
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 6: I think, never have I ever did a good job

822
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 6: of it because they would speed up in time a

823
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 6: little bit. But are the Euphoria kids gonna be like

824
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 6: that one? You know, the months of high school? No

825
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 6: be in a month of high school for eight years?

826
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 6: And like I just I missed the shows that would

827
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 6: go from September to April and show you a school

828
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 6: year because then you could actually have character growth.

829
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

830
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: You can follow them, yeah and you grow with them.

831
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, But now it's so different and even like a

832
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, right, like nothing ever really happened, you know

833
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, there's obviously story and like it's very

834
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: character driven, but there was it was safe risk, like

835
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: nothing really dramatic.

836
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: It's all dialogue.

837
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 4: It was dialogue. It was funny in that way.

838
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: But it's like you no one was going to die

839
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: at the end, you know, it didn't feel so high

840
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: stakes that you're like, Okay, I gotta take a break

841
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: right right?

842
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: Right? Very like heightened girl, I mean not heightened grounded.

843
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, did and uh, you know like the Netflix, like

844
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: on average those shows like there's two seasons, right, and

845
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: like back in the day we were watching we were

846
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: watching Lizzie Maguire, that's a raven for years and we

847
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: literally watched them grow up.

848
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we grew up with.

849
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: Them, right, And who are those characters for kids today?

850
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: Like who are they watching for ten seasons?

851
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: No, no one?

852
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 6: And they're not going to remember these shows in like

853
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 6: five years. Yeah, it's just so much rapid content.

854
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 5: I know.

855
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 6: That's I'm glad we're talking about this because I feel

856
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 6: like a broken record when I tell by other writers

857
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 6: friends that's so I'm.

858
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 5: Like, to me, the hate AMTV was in two thousand

859
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 5: and three, Like it's not now, you know, but maybe

860
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 5: it's coming back.

861
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have the answer.

862
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know.

863
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean and also just for like global context,

864
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: there's still a strike going on, and if they're we're aware.

865
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: We support all the writers, the actors.

866
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 5: We're PROGA, pro SAG.

867
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a pre WG member, but yeah, I support

868
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 6: everything they're fighting for. And I think that if we

869
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: did have longer episode orders that would help people have

870
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 6: more jobs.

871
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think the problems that we're discussing

872
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: here are some of the things that those writers are

873
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: are are also I striking against. You know, they're trying

874
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: to fix those issues with the strike as well.

875
00:40:59,160 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

876
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it is just a question of like

877
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 6: if audiences are ready to change, either if it's like

878
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 6: tiered pricing on apps or if it's gonna be like

879
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 6: ad based. Basically, I think that Netflix has spoiled audiences.

880
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: Gosh, but Netflix has.

881
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: Spoiled audiences to a point where it's like, oh, we'll

882
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 6: give you this great premium content, but we're really in

883
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 6: debt and it's like, how can you you can't keep

884
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 6: that afloat?

885
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, we end up we pay for our subscriptions and

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Speaker 3: then we have ads anyways on what you know, it's both,

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Speaker 3: it's both, and there's just it's a lot to.

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Speaker 5: Be is free. It will be on Hulu at some point,

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Speaker 5: and yeah.

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Speaker 3: But for now to be share it with your friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: hell yeah, Jad, I'm so proud of you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I'm I'm very proud of you too.

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, this is exciting. It's a great jumping off point.

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Speaker 6: And I'm really grateful, like for everything. There were a

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Speaker 6: lot of ups and downs to getting this made. I

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Speaker 6: started writing it.

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Speaker 5: Five years ago.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so to get it made is just been so

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Speaker 6: satisfying and I couldn't be more grateful.

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Speaker 5: The cast and crew was really really special.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fun watch. It really is a cute

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Speaker 3: little sappig film.

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Speaker 6: Like I will embrace all of everything she said. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm like that's perfect. What more could I ask for?

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Speaker 2: Jade, Richard Craven, thank you so.

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Speaker 5: Much, Thank you both so much. This is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yet great on Iron Grind And I don't know,

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Speaker 3: do you want folks to follow you?

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Speaker 2: Where can folks follow you? That's the thing you want

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Speaker 2: them to do?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Leg it girl, plug it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm at Jade Richard Craven on Instagram. That's my

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Speaker 6: main advice. I guess I'm trying to get back into

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Speaker 6: the Twitter game. And that's at Jade like da Stone,

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Speaker 6: Jade like the Stone, and so that I'm trying to Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we'll see about Twitter x.

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Speaker 3: We we just talked about how Twitter is, like we've

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Speaker 3: given up on Twitter.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're like, uh, TikTok.

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Speaker 5: I guess yeah on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, she persisted, but she does it a lot more

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Speaker 1: than any of us.

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Speaker 2: We're trying.

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Speaker 4: Dude.

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Speaker 2: They're on there all.

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Speaker 4: Right, look on what is well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning into another Capito Radio. Then thank

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Speaker 1: you Jane. We will catch you next time.

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Speaker 3: Besos Radio, a radio finding novela, is executive produced and

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Speaker 3: hosted by Me Mala Munos and Viosa Fam.

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Speaker 4: Story editing by Me Diosa.

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Speaker 2: Audio editing by Stephanie Franco.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our locomotives, our listeners for all of

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Speaker 1: your support.

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Speaker 3: Look at the Radio a radiophonic novella hosted by Mala

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