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Speaker 1: Kelly and I'm Carol Masster. Welcome to the Bloomberg Business
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Speaker 1: someone Jason, I know we're going to have back. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I have to say this came through a friend of
Speaker 1: mine who had gone to see Dr vj vod. He's
Speaker 1: a sports medicine specialist at the Hospital for Special Surgery
Speaker 1: here in New York City. But man, he is a
Speaker 1: big thinker in many ways, so thoughtful when he approaches
Speaker 1: problems that so many of us have as athletes or
Speaker 1: even just as people, like a sore back. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: something that a lot of folks are dealing with working
Speaker 1: from home and just being at a computer or laptop
Speaker 1: for hours on in check out our conversation. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: this is sort of one of these historic events, especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to healthcare. You know, we've been so
Speaker 1: focused on chronic diseases. We almost thought we had infectition
Speaker 1: diseases quote unquote beat but little do we know we didn't. So,
Speaker 1: you know, COVID it's going to be what I call
Speaker 1: one of these game changing or altering events and healthcare
Speaker 1: for a long while to come. So I think telemedicine
Speaker 1: is taking off. Although I haven't been involved in telemedicine,
Speaker 1: it's it's really taking off. Um. And I guess if
Speaker 1: the new generation likes these new technologies. Um. But I
Speaker 1: think the negative part is that the patient doctor relationship,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of the healing touch and the one
Speaker 1: on one close interaction is definitely gonna suffer, at least
Speaker 1: in the short term. Yeah, I have to say there
Speaker 1: is something to that. And I've been in circumstances where
Speaker 1: doctors just like, wait a minute, let's just stop for
Speaker 1: a minute, what's going on, and they just pick up
Speaker 1: on something, you know, in an office. And I do
Speaker 1: wonder whether that gets potentially lost for some circumstance in
Speaker 1: a virtual world. And I do see the benefits of
Speaker 1: it in terms of the ease and the acts, especially
Speaker 1: for routine things. But I do wonder, um that you
Speaker 1: still have to have that face to face relationship. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely a lot a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: I do, especially chronic back pain is such a mind
Speaker 1: body issue. The develop a report with a patient online,
Speaker 1: I think is much more difficult than when you're in
Speaker 1: person with them seeing them, I do I and there's
Speaker 1: certain you know what told to pick up clinical pearl
Speaker 1: pearls in person. That's what our training has been and
Speaker 1: and I think that's where the new generation doctors that
Speaker 1: are just getting trained might have a slight edge on
Speaker 1: us quote unquote Oldheimer's is that you know, we're so
Speaker 1: trained to be in the room tactile visual um for
Speaker 1: clinical diagnosis and patient report, and I think that new
Speaker 1: generation might be better at doing that online. And Dr
Speaker 1: brod when when you think about whether this focus that
Speaker 1: hopefully many of us have on our health and overall wellness.
Speaker 1: We were having a conversation earlier in the show with
Speaker 1: the c of WW International, Mindi Grossman, and she was
Speaker 1: talking about she sees that in her business that it's
Speaker 1: not just about weight loss, but but a more holistic approach.
Speaker 1: Do you see that? First of all, do you see
Speaker 1: that happening? And second of all, do you see it
Speaker 1: lasting well? I think wellness is going to be the
Speaker 1: next gigantic thing happening in health if you will, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean formal health care, but I think
Speaker 1: as technologies improve, as our understanding improves and enhances. The
Speaker 1: wellness segment is not just here to stay, but the
Speaker 1: knowledge that we're gaining is going to give people tools
Speaker 1: sort of take charge of their own wellness. And you know,
Speaker 1: the prime example I give is just nutrition. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, when I trained in nineteen nineties and medicine,
Speaker 1: we got fifteen hours on nutrition. And today, finally physicians
Speaker 1: are woken up saying, hey, we need to pay attention
Speaker 1: to what people are eating. You know, you are what
Speaker 1: you eat, and this whole microbiome and what I call prebiotics,
Speaker 1: which is the type of food that really enhances great
Speaker 1: gut flora for great health. We're just at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this um actively with a huge thing in healthcare
Speaker 1: and medicine is a wellness segment and it's it's going
Speaker 1: to be there to stay for the right reasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and why did that takes out? I mean, that's fascinating
Speaker 1: that there was that little training about it. Why did
Speaker 1: it take so long for for medicine to come around
Speaker 1: on that. Well, you know, there are many factors that
Speaker 1: influence medical education. You know, there are many industrial influences,
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical influences, and so you know, you have to in
Speaker 1: medical training be actively thinking about how I don't get
Speaker 1: boxed in. Yeah, you know the power of the prescription pad.
Speaker 1: You know that means highpertension is not just taking out
Speaker 1: a prescription pad and writing a pill. It's like, look,
Speaker 1: here are five things you can do on your own
Speaker 1: that can get real borderline high blood pressure versus giving
Speaker 1: your pill. It's so true, you know. I have to
Speaker 1: say my sister worked as a registered nurse and I'm
Speaker 1: Royal Stone Catterying and also at MD Anderson and they
Speaker 1: were doing research specifically looking at nutrition and how that
Speaker 1: can help a cancer patient with all And this was
Speaker 1: years ago, but it was considered like why are you
Speaker 1: doing that? That sounds like kind of out there. But
Speaker 1: I do feel like we're realizing maybe you know, UM
Speaker 1: talked about as we we learn more about the body
Speaker 1: kind of how it really works and and understanding you know,
Speaker 1: the significance of truly what we put in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know it's five old sunscript problem. You are what
Speaker 1: you eat? No, no kidding. Something that you've been working
Speaker 1: on I believe is it's a type of medical food
Speaker 1: that helps with metabolism and basically minimizes the amount of
Speaker 1: that patients have to rely on drugs, especially like in
Speaker 1: a leave or other sorts of medicines that we might
Speaker 1: normally use for things like arthritis. So, uh, tell me
Speaker 1: how that works and how you came upon it. Well,
Speaker 1: how I came upon it actually is. You know, life
Speaker 1: is a personal journey. Actually, my grandmother was prescribed heavy
Speaker 1: doses anti inflammatories after just a routine cataract. You know,
Speaker 1: this is like thirty years ago, and she actually died
Speaker 1: from a bleeding ulcer m. And you know, forty people
Speaker 1: die year in our country to this day from reckless
Speaker 1: anti inflammatory use. Wow. Yeah, and that's not to mention
Speaker 1: these anti inflappators can cause high blood pressure in cruise,
Speaker 1: risk of heart disease, kidney damage, especially in diabetics. So
Speaker 1: sort of my personal mission. Of course. It took me
Speaker 1: twenty some years after what happened to my grandmother, you know,
Speaker 1: medical college inventing things. But I stumbled upon circuman, you know,
Speaker 1: which is a turmeric extract which is very very hard
Speaker 1: to absorb. But I was fortunate that I was able
Speaker 1: to work with a really bright scientific team in Boston
Speaker 1: who figured out how to get this curricuman into the
Speaker 1: bloodstream and into the inflamed tissues. UM and so we
Speaker 1: did research on it and clinical trials that showed that
Speaker 1: it held up with an approximate in clinical trials for
Speaker 1: near threat is. But the other big sort of serendipity
Speaker 1: was that it reduced something called high sensitive CRP, which
Speaker 1: is inflammation of the heart vessels so um, which was
Speaker 1: a total surprise and serendipity along the on the journey
Speaker 1: of trying to invent things for a better life. Um
Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, the results have been fun
Speaker 1: dominal and hope. It's my hope that we can get
Speaker 1: decent number of people of anti inflammatories, but that give
Speaker 1: them options that will do no force, do no harm. Well,
Speaker 1: so help me with this because I've I've certainly tapped
Speaker 1: into the Tumerican cocuman, whether it's tease and different supplements.
Speaker 1: I know some other members of my family have what
Speaker 1: what's your view on that versus It sounds like the
Speaker 1: concentration of what you're doing is different. So just help
Speaker 1: me out here a little bit. So so you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, so turmeric itself, there's very little cricuman in turmeric,
Speaker 1: so you would have to eat first of all, you
Speaker 1: know it to tend tea spoon tablespoons of it, which
Speaker 1: is not realistic. UM. And even most of the cricuman
Speaker 1: today it doesn't absorb well or be there is you
Speaker 1: know this whole pepper theory, I really haven't bought. You
Speaker 1: put a little pepper in there and it absorbs. And
Speaker 1: there are a lot of manufacturing issues with crick human
Speaker 1: in general, and some of it is laced with lead,
Speaker 1: some of it is impure. I mean there. We just
Speaker 1: haven't had the depth, the federal government and the FDA
Speaker 1: hasn't had the bread to control this and to make
Speaker 1: sure you're getting what the bottle says it does. So
Speaker 1: this we brought this out as a medical food. So
Speaker 1: every batch of tested for purity and it comes from
Speaker 1: an organic turmeric farm in India and is manufactured in
Speaker 1: Westchester at the FDA facility. UM. And you know that
Speaker 1: the differences that not only absorbed no bloodstream, but that
Speaker 1: it has some very high bioactivity, meaning it gets inside
Speaker 1: and flame tissues. And we know that because it reduces
Speaker 1: this high sensitive CRP, which should only be reduced by
Speaker 1: penetrating those in flame blood vessels in the heart. I
Speaker 1: do wonder because dayson I talked about this a lot
Speaker 1: about the medical community. You know, the pharmaceutical industry is
Speaker 1: so still entrenched, and I do want or that, like
Speaker 1: what you're doing, there's got to be what seemed to
Speaker 1: be maybe equally or more productive ways without the negative
Speaker 1: impact on the human body. And it just feels like
Speaker 1: we're on the cusp of of getting there. How do
Speaker 1: you see it? Yeah, Look, I think our knowledge of
Speaker 1: food is medicine is enhancing, our knowledge of non drug
Speaker 1: related therapies is enhancing, and so look, there's so much
Speaker 1: confusion when it comes to even pharmaceuticals. A lot of
Speaker 1: generics are impure, and when it comes to supplements, it's
Speaker 1: like the wild Wild West. I mean their studies done
Speaker 1: on supplements there, Yeah, they're they're very impurity, from zero
Speaker 1: percent to n Yeah. I have to say that that's
Speaker 1: an airy Jason, you and I have talked about this
Speaker 1: in air. I I do agree with you that it's
Speaker 1: the wild wild West. There's no oversight of it, and
Speaker 1: it's a huge industry. Aste is um So only about
Speaker 1: a minute left here. Dr D tell us briefly about
Speaker 1: carbo plastic. I'm fascinated by this, especially because I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have had to get their
Speaker 1: knees replaced after years and years of running. So you know,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of technology companies. My wife thinks
Speaker 1: I've caught lightning and a bottle on this one, so um,
Speaker 1: which is saying a lot. So basically we're not even
Speaker 1: in the joint when we're treating the ar threatis so
Speaker 1: carbro plastic. To me, it goes where the crime is
Speaker 1: where the cartilage and the bone meat. And the theories
Speaker 1: that the lack of blood supply from the bone to
Speaker 1: the cartilage gets where of the you know, gets the
Speaker 1: cartilage just start getting sluff sluffed off, which is by definition,
Speaker 1: our threatis loss of cartilage. And we basically takes themselves
Speaker 1: from your body and we deliver them too, whether cartilage
Speaker 1: and the bone meat. It's almost like we're getting fertilizer
Speaker 1: to the cartilage to get it to repair and the
Speaker 1: pain to go away. And that's Dr j Vard sports
Speaker 1: medicine specialists at the Hospital for Special Surgery, And I
Speaker 1: got to say the things that they are working on
Speaker 1: he is working on specifically in terms of really understanding
Speaker 1: the body, whether it's what we eat and what goes
Speaker 1: into it, or how to use the body itself to
Speaker 1: make us healthier. I really feel like this is a
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