1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody, 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Thank you for rolling with us. Much to discuss today, 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: and we can tell you we will address a very 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: sad poll for the Kamala Harris super fans out there 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: all I don't know four or five of them. She 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: is the lowest rated vice president in the history of 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: polling for vice presidents. What does this mean for the 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: future of the Democrat Party and the twenty twenty four election. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: We are going to dive into that. I will play 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: some devil's advocate that even though she's awful, it doesn't 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: matter that much if they decide that she's the nominee. 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: But we'll see. We'll see, because to be fair, Clay 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: has been pointing out to all of you that she 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: is so unpopular that the plans for the Democrats have 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: had to shift multiple times, which I think is fair. 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: I do think that they were believing all along she 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: would grow into the role a little bit or whatever right, 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: that it would somehow improve. It has not. But we 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: shall return to the role of the vice president and 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: how that will affect this upcoming election. In just a 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 2: little bit, some additional polls out people looking at how 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: Governor DeSantis is doing in New Hampshire specifically, will return 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: to I laid it out yesterday. Clay got fired up 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: about the Hunter Biden situation, which you could say is 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 2: perhaps the death of our justice system as a justice system. 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: But we can talk a little bit about the border 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: plan that he has and also what the Biden White 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: House is saying about the border right now. And people 31 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: are upset here in New York City where I'm currently sitting, 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: because of the ban on coal fired pizza ovens that 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: is coming, which is a very upsetting because I like 34 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: to get my pizza pye with a cole assuming they 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: have gluten free, which very few places do. But I 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: still love it when it is coal fired for the pizza. 37 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: Pas settinge of pizzas in New York City, Like, if 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: you're walking around buying a pizza, do you think are 39 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: coal fired? Do you have an I've never even thought 40 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: about it. 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: I don't know that. I'd have to look and see. 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: I do know that it's a big selling point, like 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: it'll be right out on the Marquee, right out on 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: the on the awning of the pizzeria. And you know pizzerias. 45 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: New York and Chicago are all about their pizzerias. I 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: mean in New York people get fiery about the best pizzeria. 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: They do about the best barbecue in Nashville, Dallas, you know, Charleston, 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: et cetera. So, but it's also just this is about 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: climate change anyway. This is a climate change issue. The 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: left wing lunatics don't want coal fired pizza ovens, don't 51 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: want gas stoves. It's about the CO two footprint. We'll 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: get it. We'll get into all of that. But the 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: biggest thing right now, I don't know how else to 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: say this other than it is the walls closing in 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: on Trump, part one thousand. I don't know how many 56 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: times we've been told this is finally And what I've realized, Clay, 57 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: is that the people who say they finally got Trump, 58 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: he's finally gone too far, they know that that's not true. 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: And I don't even think they want it to be true, 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: because they need to keep telling their audience it about 61 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: once a month or else. Who's gonna watch MSNBC and 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: keep subscribing to The New York Times Now we're going 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: to get into some of this back and forth that 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: comes from the tape of Trump, and we have the 65 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: audio of this that the tape of Trump. This is 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: from Bedminster, the Trump property and golf course. Did you 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: play that course, Clay? You did right? 68 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: I played it poorly. That was when I remember I 69 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: played in the live pro am. I was one of 70 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: the amateurs. I almost killed brooks Kepko with a one 71 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: of any errant shots I hit. But at one point, 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: when you're trying to tell one of the best golfers 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: of his generation, look out, you know, for I almost 74 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: caught him in the back of the head with a 75 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: low liner on one of the wholest beautiful course though. 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: So Trump in July of twenty twenty one, we broke 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: this down into a few pieces because you want to 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: analyze what's going on here. He had a conversation with 79 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: a couple of journalists and this is what is laid 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: out in the Jack Smith indictment. And what this is 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: supposed to go to is Trump had classified documents. This 82 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: is the allegation, to be clear, that he had classified 83 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: documents that he knew were classified, that he didn't care 84 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: were classified, and that he was showing to people who 85 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: do not have a right to see them. Now we'll 86 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: get into where did this leak from, and why is 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: it being leaked, and how can I even get a 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: fair trial if the government's going to give information to 89 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: the public to prejudice the jury in advance. We'll address 90 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: that in a moment, But first up, let's start with 91 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: the first piece of this clip four. This is the 92 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: audio evidence of trumpet Bedminster that has just leaked. 93 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: These are bad, sick people. 94 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 5: That was your cue, you know against you started right 95 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: Millie's talking about oh you were going to try to 96 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: do now that they were. 97 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: Trying to do that before you even were sworn in, 98 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: trying to overthrow you. 99 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: Well with Milly, let me see that. I'll show you 100 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: an example. He said that I wanted to attack. Isn't 101 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 4: it amazing? I have a big pile of paper. Sistem 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 4: just came out blood. 103 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 2: This was him. 104 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: They presented me. This is off the record, but they 105 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 4: presented me this. 106 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: Okay, this goes to Trump telling them that he was 107 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: the one who didn't want a military strike of any 108 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: kind on Iran. And this is supposedly him showing a 109 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 2: classified document about a strike on Iran that the Chairman 110 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General was, according to Trump, 111 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: encouraging to happen here. What do you make of this 112 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: first piece? Anything jump out to you just that. 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: So, in totality, I think this is not a very 114 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: big story relative to everything that Joe Biden is doing 115 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: right and everything that Hunter Biden has done. Whenever I 116 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 3: hear these clips or I see stories about these issues, 117 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 3: there is as I have said, from the absolute moment 118 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: this all began. Where is the victim here, right? Who 119 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: has been harmed by Trump's behavior in any way? That 120 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: is my big question on that specific clip that we 121 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: just played Buck. How many people actually care about the 122 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: Millie Trump. 123 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 2: Dispute. So the people who hate Trump are all saying 124 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: this is, you know, the worst thing that they've ever 125 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: put They always said this is the worst thing him. 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: Right. My thing on this in general is I listened 127 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: to the whole thing and I thought it sounded like 128 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: Trump and so in pretty much every conversation we've ever 129 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: had with him. And so my big question on this 130 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: is does this classified document actually exist? Was it a 131 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: classified document that he was referencing? And is there any 132 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: way that these witnesses there are going to attest to 133 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: the fact that they saw a classified document, because if 134 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: they did not, then all of this is for naught 135 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: and Trump can just say, actually, I wasn't referencing a 136 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: classified document. Turns out you know you and I know 137 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: Trump oftentimes carries around lots of papers because he wants 138 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: to actually supplement his argument, sometimes by saying, hey, did 139 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: you see this article. He's a paper guy, right, like, 140 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: he's always noting on papers and everything else. So I'm 141 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: not sure that this really he says very much to 142 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: me at all, other than I find how this got 143 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: out to be the bigger story, right, because you've got 144 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: all these people claiming that they are in media absolutely 145 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: aghast that anybody would share classified documents when they share 146 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: and write about classified documents all the time. That's a 147 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 3: huge part of front page articles in the New York Times, 148 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: for instance. 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: So they're already saying, you may have seen this, This 150 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: is percolating out there, the storyline that the special counsel 151 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: did shared, you know, under under Brady, right, shared the 152 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: disclosure here of the evidence that they have, and that 153 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: Trump's legal team legally this this is what they're saying. 154 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: So that then they can claim that this is unfairly 155 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: prejudicial and try to go for a dismissal. So this 156 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: is the classic. You know, if you never had a 157 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: big brother, I did you know when he grabs your 158 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: hand when they're stronger older than you, stop hitting yourself 159 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: in the face with your own hand. You know, this 160 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: is oh so Trump. So they leak it and then 161 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: they say Trump leaked it so that then he can 162 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: get out of the trial. I mean, this is the 163 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: kind of This is the kind of gas lighting and 164 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 2: back and forth. I think you can expect from a 165 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: lot of this. Let's get there's a little more of this, 166 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: a little more detail here. Let's play clip five. This 167 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: is the continuation of the audio. 168 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: This was the defense department in him. We looked at him, 169 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: this was him. This wasn't done by me, this was him. 170 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 4: All sorts of stuff pages wrong, and let's see. 171 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just isn't that amazing. This totally wins 172 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 5: my case, you know, except it is highly this is 173 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 5: secreted for it. Look at this, your jack and the 174 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: Hillary would put that out all the time. 175 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: She'd send it to Anthony Wieners. 176 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,359 Speaker 2: So so what they're trying to do here by introducing 177 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: this into the public, Clay is undermined the Trump declassified 178 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: everything defense. They're gonna say he knew that he didn't 179 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: declassify everything. He knew that he kept information that was classified, 180 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: and therefore he refused, you know, he refused to return 181 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: information that was duly the governments and not his. Because 182 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: but to your initial point, it's like people who don't 183 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: like Trump are going to say that this is treason 184 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: and they're going to freak out, and the rest of 185 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: us are like, yeah, ano another day in the get 186 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,239 Speaker 2: Trump operation of the Democrats. 187 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, do we have the clip where he 188 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: says I could have classified declassified this? 189 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: I think we have that right, Yeah, if you want 190 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: to play it's next. 191 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's play that one, because I think that's actually 192 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: the crux of what they want to kind of get 193 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: to here. 194 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. I was just saying, because we were talking about 195 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: it and he said he wanted to attack run and. 196 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 5: What this was done by the military. 197 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: Given to me. 198 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 4: I think we can probably a lot of. 199 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: Syce. 200 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 5: President I could have No, I can't. 201 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 4: You know, but this is is that interesting. 202 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 5: It's so cool. 203 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so I'm looking. We heard I haven't. 204 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 4: Okay, so almost didn't believe me, but now you believe me. 205 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 5: It's incredible, right they bring some bring some coachs in place. 206 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: Okay, So Buck, to me that part right there, this 207 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: is the first time that I think this is to 208 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: me the more significant part here. But one he can 209 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 3: say Trump knew he didn't be classified these documents. Here 210 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 3: he is making that argument, Okay, telling these people. Now 211 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: Trump can say, uh, I'm not a legal expert. There's 212 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: lots of arguments he can still make. But Buck, this 213 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: is the first time that I've seen something where Jack 214 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: Smith can put point to a motive for why Trump 215 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: kept these documents, right, And I don't even think the 216 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: motive is that bad for Trump. It's Trump kept many 217 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: of these documents because he wanted to have protection about 218 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: his story. 219 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: Right. 220 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: So Millie is saying these things, and Trump is saying 221 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: these and these documents to him. 222 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: Proved that his side of the story is true. 223 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: But when I listen to this, I just again circle 224 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: back around to this is not that this is all 225 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 3: like a made up case. 226 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: Right right. Part of the problem here, and this is 227 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: a lot of people are referring to, you know, the 228 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: Espionage Act as I'll say, it's controversial, constitutional, constitutionally dubious. 229 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: All of that is true. Unimportant people have their lives 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: ruined over the Espionage Act on a pretty you know, 231 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: consistent basis. Right, So there is a broader point here 232 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: of not only is it if it's wrong to go 233 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: after Trump on this one some you know, some some 234 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: low level navy guy, or remember Trump pardoned the guy 235 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: in the Navy who took the photo of the sub 236 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: and nothing ever came of it. Those some of these 237 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: prosecutions underclassified material. You could see a very clear double 238 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: standard in all of this. I mean, what Petraeus did, 239 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: for example, and pleaded guilty to is something that you 240 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 2: wouldn't have expected he would have gotten quite that deal 241 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: unless he was General David Petraeus. So anyway, I think 242 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: Clay that this is this is just being put out 243 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: there to one undermine the Trump narrative as much as 244 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: possible from the jury pool perspective, but also to give 245 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: the media more to work with here. They're gonna say 246 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: that Trump is lying. And part of the problem with 247 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: that line of argument is now everyone sits there and 248 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: goes lying. Is that what Joe Biden did when he 249 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: said he had no idea what his son was doing 250 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: when he was sitting there while his son was shaking 251 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: down Chinese Communist Party frontmen for millions of dollars. You 252 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: mean a lie like that kind of lie? And look, 253 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: this is we're in political trench warfare, right. You know 254 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: you're gonna say, oh, are we going to self police 255 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: everything on our side while the other side gets to 256 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: run away with whatever they want. 257 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: That's people ask me this, and I'm like, ook, I 258 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 3: get it. Yeah, And I would also ask people this 259 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: as we go to break. The New York Times would 260 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: have put this story on the front page if they had, 261 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: if this document was actually classified and one of their 262 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: reporters had gotten it right, they would have clearly written 263 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: about plans to attack Iran and what that showed. 264 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: You don't think so, I mean, I don't know what's 265 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: in the document. First of all, it quickly really about 266 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: it when we come back. Yeah, because the part of 267 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: the problem here class I wish I could see this 268 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: stuff because anyone and we got a lot of people 269 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: listening that either have or have had a TS clearance. 270 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: There's top secret. You look at You're like, this looks 271 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: like an editorial from the Washington like who cares? Right, 272 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: and there's top secret where you're like, oh, I don't know, 273 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: this shouldn't this shouldn't be out there. So it depends 274 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: we could talk about it. 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Yeah, And if you didn't give 303 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: the document, also, you're gonna have a tough time. He 304 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: like weighed the document in the air that he had 305 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: Because former presidents get access to the PDB by custom 306 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: the President's daily Briefing, So as a former president you 307 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: are treated as though you have a clearance for life. 308 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: So now that doesn't get into the holding of the documents. 309 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: But his possession of them in the first place isn't 310 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: something that is going to get him in trouble, right, 311 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: So it gets there's a lot of a lot of murky, 312 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on. 313 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: I just continue to believe that he will not be 314 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: convicted in the South Florida incident now any of it. 315 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: I do think that the charges are coming in DC 316 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 3: and Buck. I think it'll be really hard for Trump 317 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: to avoid conviction there with a ninety five percent Democrat jury. 318 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: Can I throw something out there. I think they're bringing 319 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: it in Florida to see and then when they bring 320 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: it in DC later, that's where they think they slam 321 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: the door shut. They'll say, well, we tried it in Florida, 322 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: but some maga voter on the jury prevented justice, bringing 323 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: it home to d C where the communists can all 324 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: march in lockstep. 325 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: I will also point out the timing on this as 326 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: we go to the break here. The actual prosecutors now 327 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: are saying they don't want to go until mid December. 328 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: So the odds of this I still think being tried 329 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: and completed before the midterms, sorry, before where the primary 330 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 3: is low. It's hard to find savings in your everyday expenses, 331 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: but I know one right now your cell phone bill. 332 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: Switch to Pure Talk and save about fifty bucks a month. 333 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: Entire families saving over nine hundred dollars a year. Unlimited talk, 334 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: unlimited text, Ultra fast five G data just twenty bucks 335 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: a month. 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We begin tonight with breaking news, a major 345 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: development in the federal case against Donald Trump. 346 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: Some dramatical new developments, and the Trump Classified Documents investigation. 347 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: A damning new leaked audio reporting. Oh lordie, there are 348 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 2: tapes more incriminating detail than the written indictment includes. 349 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 5: There's two people who are terrified tonight. 350 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: That's Trump's lawyers and Trump. 351 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: The last time we had a kind of significant audio 352 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: situation with a former president or a president was with Watergate. 353 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: I think this audio changed a lot about the way 354 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: that Trump's legal team viewed. 355 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: This case, and he proof that there's a two tiered 356 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: system of justice. 357 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: The fact that Donald Trump is not at Guantanamo right 358 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 3: now under lock and key is evidence of it. 359 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: I mean, the Guantanamo line was particularly insane. That was 360 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: I think was that Actually I'm not I'm not sure 361 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: who that was, but staff let us know. 362 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: I mean, that is crazy that in Guantanamo, like what, 363 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: they're going to arrest the president because he was talking about. 364 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: It was Van Jones. I thought it might be it 365 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 2: was Van Jones from CNN. Look, okay, let's let's all 366 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: just take a moment here. Understand what's going on with 367 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 2: with all of this. The CNN audience, the MSNBC audience, 368 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: that washed Post New York Times subscribers, the Democrat base, 369 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: they are addicted to Trump hate. And you would think 370 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: that at this point it would be possible, at least 371 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: I would think it would be possible maybe to get 372 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: them to see this, as you know what, there's an 373 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: election coming. Let the American people decide, Let the first 374 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: of the Republicans decide who their nominee will be, looking 375 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: like Trump right now based on all the polls, and 376 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 2: then let the American people decide if they want him 377 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: to be commander in chief. Again, like the fact that 378 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 2: they're so desperate Clay to subvert the process with variously, 379 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: including a case that is so insane out of New 380 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: York that even Democrats can't defend it, right. I Mean, 381 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: they're saying the Special Counsels all serious and that's to 382 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 2: be given legitimacy. But the Alvin braggcase out of New 383 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: York is just a pure legal smear operation. Like it's 384 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 2: just disgusting, and you think to yourself, why are they 385 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: so desperate? I mean, if Trump is so bad and 386 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: so awful, he'll lose against Biden, that means he will 387 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: have delivered the American people eight years of Biden being president. Everybody, 388 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: like you would think that Democrats wouldn't be so desperate 389 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: to stop him with these these uh you know, legal 390 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: ambushes unless they realized he might win again. Do you 391 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like this, at some level, the 392 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: insecurity is obvious from the fixation on the legal process 393 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: against him. I do know they also they want him arrested. 394 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: It's not enough for him to lose, they want him 395 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: to be in prison. 396 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, look, I think they're calculous to the extent 397 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 3: that they are playing political games here, which I think 398 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: it's quite clear that they are, is charging Trump strengthens 399 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: him in the Republican primary and simultaneously weakens him in 400 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: the general. And as dumb as I think many Democrats are, 401 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: I don't know that I disagree with that overall logic. 402 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: Based on what we saw on the midterms with the 403 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 3: January sixth primetime hearings, there are independent voters. I flagged 404 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: this Buck because I thought, man, this is like such 405 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: a awful little thing here that this could be the case. 406 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: There was a report out there that Joe. 407 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: Biden is really disliked by a huge percentage of people 408 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: in America right now, right as a president, but they 409 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: will still vote for him over Donald Trump. And so 410 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: I think this is one of those situations where the 411 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: real question we should be asking is in the Republican primary. 412 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: Does any of this impact the Republican primary at all? 413 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: My sense is, Buck, everybody who heard that Donald Trump 414 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: tape said, yeah, that's pretty much what I would think 415 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: Donald Trump might do. He's trying to settle a score. 416 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: It's somebody that used to be in his administration, and 417 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 3: he's talking to a media member in an effort to 418 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: do that, and he's citing evidence that supports his side, 419 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 3: and it's kind of a jocular conversation he makes a 420 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 3: joke about Anthony Wiener and Hillary Clinton's emails, and it 421 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: doesn't sound much different than Donald Trump would sound, right. 422 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 3: So when I look at that, usually what moves the 423 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: needle is when people in political office are shown to 424 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: be something that they claim they are not. I don't 425 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: know that anything that has been revealed about Trump has 426 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 3: really changed anybody's impressions well of Trump. 427 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: To your point about weakening for the general, I think 428 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 2: that that is the calculus the Democrats think that they're making. 429 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 2: I just mean that they're so high and mighty about 430 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: like the process of the institutions, and yet they won't 431 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: allow the process and the institutions to play out politically 432 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 2: as they should. Instead, they're trying to to stack the deck. 433 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: I do think that they worry that without these charges, 434 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: Trump very well could defeat Joe Biden again. So that's 435 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: it depends on who you ask. I think that's a 436 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: component of it. But independence, and in the Key States, 437 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: no one thinks about independence in a primer, this is 438 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: the thing, right, No one thinks about swing voters. No 439 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: one's sitting around counting the numbers and looking at the 440 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: data out of Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, you know, 441 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: maybe throw one or two other states in there. Election 442 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: is almost certainly going to come down to a small 443 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: number of people in those key states who are persuadable voters. 444 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: Are they just going to be so sick of the 445 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: circus that they will say, Oh, Joe Biden, Fine, we'll 446 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: just go forward with what we've got, the devil, you know, 447 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 2: all that stuff. That may be the calculus the Democrats 448 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: are making, and I could certainly see it going that way. 449 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm still waiting for the here's why Independent 450 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: are going to swing toward Trump with all this stuff 451 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: going on. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm just 452 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: saying we probably want to consider at some point what 453 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 2: that would be, and how that plays out, and what 454 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: the pitch is. 455 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: I also think at some point we have to start 456 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: to see some movement in the Republican primary in order 457 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: to think that this is having any impact at all, 458 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: and at least so far as we come up on 459 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 3: July fourth, right when a lot of people are going 460 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: to be going on vacation. I would bet this week 461 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: and next week buck or probably two of the biggest 462 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: weeks for vacation in the entire summer. So, and what 463 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 3: I mean by that is a lot of people just 464 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: chill out right. They're not sitting around day by day 465 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: following the minutia of a campaign. And now that we're 466 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 3: into the summer travel season, I think a lot of 467 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: people are going to not pay a lot of attention 468 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: until it gets into the fall and you can start 469 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: to look ahead. Okay, the caucus is going to be 470 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: in four months, the caucus is going to be in 471 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: three months. But so far, I haven't really gotten the 472 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 3: sense that anything has changed in months in the Republican primary. 473 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: And what I would say too about this, all the 474 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 3: media that we played reacting so much of the New 475 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 3: York Times in the Washington Post is relying on leaks 476 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 3: of classified or privileged information that they then turn into features. 477 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: The standard is that only government employees entrusted with that 478 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: stuff ever get prosecuted. That is the standard, right, So 479 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 2: the fact that journalists print this stuff the custom I've 480 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: pointed out, and people disagree with me on this until 481 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: they actually read the law. It's just a custom of 482 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: the DOJ. 483 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 3: The journalists theory, the journalists could be prosecuted they could be. 484 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: There is no statutory protection. People would say the First Amendment. Yeah, 485 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: the First Amendment applies to government employees as well. Right, 486 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: there's no statutory change. It's just the custom of the 487 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: DOJ that journalists are allowed to publish this stuff. It 488 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: is only government employees, right, I mean reality winner, Right, 489 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: didn't they just make an HBO movie? I saw the 490 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: They made a movie about her. That's got to be 491 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 2: the most boring movie in history. It's like sharing a 492 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: document you shouldn't have shared because you love Bernie Sanders 493 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: so much or whatever. It was really dumb, but you 494 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: know she got ten years. Yeah, I think it was 495 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 2: the Intercept that published it. They don't lock them up. 496 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: So there's a double So that's an accepted double standard, 497 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 2: whether it should be there or not. Right. 498 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: I just think it's always like amazing when the media 499 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: like grabs their pearls and falls on their fainting couches 500 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 3: over the fact that there might be classified document being discussed, 501 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: when a huge part of the media is oftentimes writing 502 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 3: about classified documents, which if it's so incredibly dangerous for 503 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 3: Americans to have that information out there. There's an awful 504 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: lot of classified information that ends up being shared through 505 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: the media. 506 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is a like I said, the 507 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: custom is, if you're entrusted with the information, you are 508 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: to protect it. You've sworn a note to protect that stuff, 509 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: and you've signed documents saying that you will. But the 510 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: damage to the country, whether the New York Times prints 511 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: something and puts it on the front page versus somebody else, 512 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: you know, post it on the internet, the information out 513 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: there is the same. So journalists don't like this, but 514 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: this is the reality. This gets deep into the conversations 515 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: about wiki leaks and transparency and who's held accountable for 516 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: this stuff because we have moved away every The entire 517 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: classification system is built upon the prospective harm to the 518 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 2: country for unlawful disclosure, effectively to our enemies or to 519 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: the to the general public. It's kind of interesting. Both 520 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: of those things can be treated separately. There's no need 521 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: to actually prove in a court that any damage was 522 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: done to anybody. You can still go to prison for 523 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: ten years, twenty years, They don't care. You've dealt with 524 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: classified documents. And I know there's difference between classified, top 525 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: secret and everything else. What percentage of those documents that 526 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: are that are described as classified. Would you say actually 527 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: need to be classified? Uh, that's such an interesting question. 528 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: I mean I always think that stuff that is labeled 529 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: confidential as a joke, like what goes into my latte 530 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: in the morning gets classified confidential. At the government level, 531 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: stuff that secret tends to be you know, pretty unimpressive 532 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: stuff that anybody reading the newspaper would know about a 533 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 2: lot of places, there's some there's some you know, wiggle 534 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: room in this. Once you get up the top secret 535 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: and above level, you can get to some. It's really 536 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: just about protecting sources and methods too. I mean, the 537 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: the analysis that being outed would be like the worst course, 538 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: the worst thing is super important source of information if 539 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: it's technical means, for example, you know that goes away 540 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: and then you lose that collection. That can be that's bad. 541 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: The ultimate ultimate worst thing is someone who's giving you 542 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: information gets outed and then gets killed. 543 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's like the Gary Hanson. Was that the 544 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: story back in the day that he was outing. Was 545 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: it that his name? 546 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: No, I think it was Hanson and Ames Aldrich Ames 547 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: was a very famous one, and then I think it 548 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: was it. I don't want to say the name without 549 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: getting a right find out who the the FBI to 550 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: the Soviets was. Alder James was one, and then Hanson 551 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 2: was the other one. I think they did that movie 552 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: with Ryan Philippi and the uh the other the guy 553 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: from the pa Atam I forget who he's in a 554 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: movie about that leak. 555 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: I remember that guy getting caught, if I remember correctly, 556 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 3: at some point during the time that I was living 557 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: in d C. 558 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: Robert Hanson. It's Robert Hanson. I didn't want to say 559 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: the name if it was a lot of Hanson's running around. 560 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: Robert Hanson. 561 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like the worst case scenario, right where you 562 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: give information that leads to a source being murdered and out. 563 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: So you're basically complicit. You're you're intentionally complicit in murdering 564 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: people who are helping the United States. That's yes, And 565 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: I know people that argue that in those cases that 566 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: should have been death penalty offenses under treason gone all 567 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: the way. So yeah, that's the word. But you know 568 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: secret Listing Clay or you know Mark secret Us continues 569 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: to struggle with the prospects of Ukraine against Russia, Like yeah, no, duh, 570 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: we know that open up. 571 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: Boone lines here. I'm curious, is anybody's mind like, did 572 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 3: you hear the audio? 573 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: We played it for you? 574 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: Certainly it's been widely distributed CNN, everywhere else, and you 575 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: thought to yourself, Okay, my mind has changed. I just 576 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: I don't get the sense, Buck, that anything that has 577 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: happened to Trump in terms of Republican primary voters has 578 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 3: changed any of the calculus at all. Am I wrong? 579 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: Has there been something? I'm just curious eight hundred and 580 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: two A two two eight eight two. Has this release 581 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: of this information or any of the other information changed 582 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: your the way that you would analyze the race and 583 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 3: maybe even who you're supporting. Do you agree with me, 584 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: Buck that in general, it doesn't seem like there has 585 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: been much movement at all based on the latest charges. 586 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: I don't think there's going to be movement on any 587 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: of any of it. I think I think the sides 588 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: are dug in and they're just hoping that they can 589 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: get a jury that they might just squeeze out of convention. 590 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: I don't even think that, honestly, I don't even think 591 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: they believe they're going to get a conviction anymore. In Florida, 592 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: they're just bringing the case there. I think that they 593 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: want to bring it all the way home to DC 594 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: and that's the one where they think they're going to 595 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: finally lock Trump up. That's my guess. 596 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the chances of a conviction in Florida 597 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: are very low based on all the evidence that I've seen. 598 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: There are a few better sensations having the energy to 599 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 3: do everything you want to do every day. About a 600 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: little bit of energy out there in the Biden White House. 601 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 3: How about Joe Biden works more than four hours a day. 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We'll play some audio 627 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 3: for you of the Miami mayors debut as a presidential 628 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 3: candidate didn't go that well and top of the next hour, 629 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: I think one of the interesting questions that the RNC 630 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 3: is going to have to grapple with. I talked about 631 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: the fact that not. 632 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: Much is moving. 633 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: At what point do people need to get forced to 634 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 3: drop out of the presidential race? Because unless you're Trump 635 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: or DeSantis, I don't believe Buck, and we'll talk about 636 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 3: this the top of the next hour. Anybody else has 637 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 3: really made a move towards double digits when do some 638 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: of these people need to be effectively forced out of 639 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 3: the race. I think that's a really interesting question because 640 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: I don't believe most of them are going to make 641 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: it to January. But we'll discuss that breaking news here 642 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: much less serious. Ryan Seacrest named as the new Wheel 643 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: of Fortune host to replace Pat Sajack. Good choice, bad 644 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: choice to you, Buck, as a long time Wheel of 645 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: Fortune officionado. 646 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: I haven't watched Wheel of Fortune ever. I think really 647 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: like I've seen it, but I've never actually sat down 648 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 2: and a watch Jepherdhigh or watch Jeopardy Clay. Have I 649 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: watched Jeopardy? I am. 650 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 3: I figured, come on, you know they play them back 651 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: to back in most cities. So I've watched this was 652 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 3: back in the day. I watched Wheel of Fortune with 653 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: my grandma all the time. Pat Sajak has been on 654 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 3: there for ever. Ryan Seacrest is I think almost a 655 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 3: billionaire Buck, and I bet virtually no one knows it. 656 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. 657 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: No, Look, the honest answer is I was a American 658 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: Idol like season one, season two watcher. I think he'll 659 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 2: be great. I mean I think he's great for that. 660 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: He'll be great at it. So there you go. 661 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: I mean what he just it feels like he has 662 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 3: got basically every entertainment job on the planet, right, he 663 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: had the Kelly and. 664 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: Ryan. I just. 665 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 3: He will do that job for the next forty years too. 666 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 3: It's a great gig. It's a great gig. 667 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: Everybody. Everyone likes the Wheel of Fortune guy. Everyone likes 668 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 2: the Jeopardy host like people like these people. You get 669 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: to be cool people, they get to be happy when 670 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: they win. And you know, it's a great gig. 671 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: Is that the best job in media? When you consider 672 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 3: the amount you get paid versus the ease of which 673 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 3: the job is done, right, You probably only tape, you know, 674 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 3: fifty days a year or whatever. It is one of 675 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 3: one of the if you're talking about quality of life, 676 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 3: you know, exposure money, it's. 677 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: One of the best jobs in media. Yeah, for sure. 678 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 2: Nobody gets to your point, nobody gets mad at you. 679 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: It is wildly lucrative. He's probably gonna make you know, 680 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: thirty million dollars a year doing that. I will say 681 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 2: I did use to when I would sit home from school. 682 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: You know what, I would really rock out to The 683 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 2: price is right, man, That show is great. Price is right. 684 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: The price is right is quality entertainment. I mean I 685 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 2: learned a lot about the price of home goods and 686 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 2: uh Bob Barker, that Man's Got game. 687 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: Bob Barker was amazing. Price Is Right is probably my 688 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 3: favorite game show of all time. I like Jeopardy, but 689 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 3: I want to go on Celebrity Jeopardy. By the way, 690 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 3: not the real Jeopardy. I think I'd get wrecked on 691 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 3: the real one. But Celebrity Jeopardy, I think I could win. 692 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 3: I think I'm smarter than most celebrities.