1 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I am a natural food chef. I went to culinary 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: school for Food and Healing in New York around two 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: thousand one, and I went to a school that's no 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: longer there. I didn't realize that, but it's called natural Gourmet. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't really all vegetarian. There was a week of 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: meat and chicken, but it was largely vegetarian and health 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: conscious cooking for people who have food allergies, food intolerances, diabetes, 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: cancer prevention foods. This was way ahead of its time too. 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: Back in the day, I was very interested in food 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: and healing, long before the world of plant based foods 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: and everything being organic and being a natural food chef, 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: long before wheat egg and dairy free and gluten free 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: and celiac. That was not really a conversation back then 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: at all. Soy milk was an alternative and that was 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: really it, and some people would eat tofu. But this 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: world of beyond and impossible burgers and plant based foods 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: has really grown exponentially. Anyway, back then, I ate raw 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: for a year, which is also very advanced. Being eating 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: raw doesn't mean like eating raw meat and chicken, although 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: some crazy people do that. It means a raw food 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: diet where nothing is cooked over a hundred and I 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: think it's like eight eight degrees. People differ on the degrees. 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: People cook foods in a dehydrator specific type ovens to 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: non cook these foods, people soak grains so then you 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: can eat them. They're soft enough to eat. And it's 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: raw nuts, not roasted nuts, and it's um, it's live, 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: and it makes sense to me like they're live foods. 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: But once you come off of a juice cleans or 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: juice fast, you're supposed to start and break your fast, 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: which is as important as the fast itself with live foods, 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: And to me, it makes sense when you cook for 32 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: your kids, if you're making broccoli, you'd rather be fresh. 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: It's as close to alive as possible. And then if 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: you flash steam it and it's still bright green versus 35 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: being like mushy and gray green like when we were kids, 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: it seems to me that it makes sense that it's 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: more alive with nutrients. And the same thing like I 38 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: never understand why someone would grill romaine, lettuce or peaches. 39 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: It's just like a natural live fruit. So I cringe 40 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: when I see people grill lettuce. I cringe myse people, 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: grilled peaches. You can go on and on, and it's 42 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: not that easy to always eat a row foods diet. 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: But I did it for like a year, and I'm 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: very knowledgeable about this, so probably about twice a year. Definitely, 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: once I'll just feel a little sluggish. I may not 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: be sleeping well, my skin like, it's not about breaking out, 47 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: but it may just feel little dull, not alive, and 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: I'll do a cleanse, a juice cleanse, which I just did, 49 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 1: and I will definitely do another rant on that, because 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: I know you're gonna want to hear about my juice 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: cleans and detoxing um. But I did a juice cleanse, 52 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: and then I often, after the juice cleans, decide to 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: go vegan, but not in an obsessive way where if 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: there was chicken broth in some food soup based I 55 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: would freak out. I'm just not that obsessive about that 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: type of stuff. But I'll do vegan to see how 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: it makes me feel. And I don't really do a 58 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: lot of dairy, so even in the morning, if I'll 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: do almond milk or some sort of alternative milk, I 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: often have that tickle and that congestion and it's really irritating, 61 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: like you're blowing your nose. You wake up, your nose 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: is dry. I don't know if any of you know 63 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: that and have that experience. And it's not sinuses and 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: it's not allergies, and it's just whatever it is, and 65 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: it's maddening to me. So lens and then maybe something 66 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: like going vegan is an interesting thing because once you 67 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: go off a cleanse, you're almost doing like an elimination diet, 68 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: where if you add back in let's say it's steak, 69 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: and you just feel really tired or really gross and 70 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: you've been eating nothing, no animal, then you know that 71 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's the stake. If you simply that, just initially, 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: just add back in. Let's pretend it's dairy and you 73 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: start to feel sniffley, then you'll kind of be able 74 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: to see. The point is where you do a cleanse, 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: it's like a blank canvas, so you can individually see 76 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: how does caffeine affect my body, How does sugar affect 77 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: my body? How does alcohol affect my body? So it's 78 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: a great way to have a blank slate to be experimental. 79 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: So I decided to quote unquote go vegan, and it 80 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: has to have been like a month now, and it 81 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: can be annoying. Your stomach can get like sort of 82 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: like you know, like gas paints because you're going to 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: a restaurant. They have nothing that's vegan except for like vegetables. 84 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: You get like a side of this vegetable, a salad. 85 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: It's redundant. You just want to be eating the New 86 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: York Strip steak, and you know you're telling everybody no butter, 87 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: which you should do anyway. Saute with olive oil. That's fine, 88 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: but I will say that you sort of feel full 89 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: from all this food you're reading, but not really full. 90 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: And sometimes I do the vegan quote unquote junk food thing, 91 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: like the frozen faux wings or whatever. If there's a 92 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: food that's not like from the earth and not natural 93 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: and is an ingredients, you can pronounce it's junk food 94 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: even if it's vegetarian, even if it's vegan. But I 95 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: really wanted to stick to it, so I said, Paul, 96 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: I've been doing this for three weeks, and you tell 97 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: me if there's anything different, because there's a steak on 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: this menu and I want to buy there's lobster and 99 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: bacon and blue cheese and avocado and egg on that 100 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: lobster cob that I'm crying over. So somebody needs to 101 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: tell me something besides that I'm not congested, which I 102 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: haven't been too so I don't you know, So I 103 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: just stay on this thing whatever. This thing isn't forever 104 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: how long? And I love animals, and I wish I 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: could say it's only about the animals, but and it 106 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: really is, because I get freaked out when I see 107 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: when I just think about the animals, and the dairy 108 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: is supposed to be even worse. And that's sort of 109 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: a more humane conversation for another time. And I do 110 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: think about that, and then the hypocrisy because I do 111 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: have leather, and so there's a whole conflict with that 112 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: whole conversation, and we can have that conversation for another 113 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: day also, But as far as I like not having 114 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: the congestion, and Paul said, skin looks really good, and 115 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: now I have good skin, I don't break out, but 116 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know, it just looks like more alive, 117 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: you look more youthful, You just look fresh. And he 118 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: said it to me a couple of times on FaceTime 119 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: from Boston, like you look young right now, and someone 120 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: else said that to me. Now, I've also been sleeping 121 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: very well lately, but I think that's also as a 122 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: result of this. I wasn't in the beginning, but now 123 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm kidding my stride and I'm having very deep, clean sleep. 124 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: Imagine if I also didn't drink alcohol, which definitely hasn't 125 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: been happening, but not been drinking a ton. So today 126 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: I get my makeup done by my makeup artist because 127 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: I had day oppressed, and he says, your skin is amazing. 128 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I had a facial last week. He's like, yeah, 129 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: but you always you know, I've seen you before since 130 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: you had a facial. So he said, no, what's going on. 131 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: You didn't change your skin products. I'm like, no, not 132 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: at all. He said it must be the vegan thing. 133 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: So I have to say, if the animal cruelty thing 134 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: is not your motivation, maybe think about trying it just 135 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: for decongestion. Skin, sleep youthfulness sort of makes you think 136 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: more about drinking water. So I'm kind of I'm gonna 137 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: keep documenting how I feel. What do you think have 138 00:06:51,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: you ever thought about a vegan lifestyle? My guest today 139 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: is Jim Kramer, host of Mad Money on CNBC, where 140 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: he helps viewers navigate the confusing world of Wall Street investing. 141 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: He's a former hedge fund manager, as well as an 142 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: author and a co founder of the street dot Com. Today, 143 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: we talk about why you need to embrace low points 144 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: to grow, the importance of taking a break for joyous creativity, 145 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: how you need to be relentless when starting your business, 146 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: and why getting comfortable with projection helps you succeed. I 147 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: love talking with Jim, and I think you're gonna love 148 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: this episode. He is very interesting, very unique, and he 149 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: has a lot to say. Hi, Hi, how are you good? Okay, 150 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: So how's your day today? I mean, just its jordinary 151 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: because it's joted. Last night at this U mere our 152 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: restaurant where I was dining with some friends, and I 153 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: got very, very exciting because ever real lies. I am 154 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: now two days from vacation, my first vacation of the year, 155 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: and I am so excited because we all need time 156 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: off if we're gonna do great. A lot of people 157 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: feel like the secret is to never take vacation totally wrong, 158 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: and you must you if you believe in that, you 159 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: must you must agree with me because there's a lot 160 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: of strivers self made thousand aires want to be self 161 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: made millionaires like you who think that the secret is 162 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: never taking time off. It's just the opposite. By the way, 163 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: it's so funny that you say that, because I always 164 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: say when you relax and you sit back and you retreat, 165 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: that's when the good ideas come. Like when you give 166 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: yourself a space, that's when you declutter your mind and 167 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: you get the good ideas. This is so, and I'll 168 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: tell you something else. But then I am absolutely convinced 169 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: that the week before you go on vacation is the 170 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: week when you start questioning your self existent should I 171 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: be doing this? Am I doing the right thing? I'm 172 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: really tired of what I'm doing. No, you're tired of 173 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: being tired that who you are, and you will be 174 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: so fired up that you will do the best stuff 175 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: you've ever done. Well. I heard that Serena Williams said 176 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: that to her husband because she used the metaphor about 177 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: being a professional athlete that you need to let your 178 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: muscles rest in order to perform. So for someone like you, 179 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: who's on all the time and so high energy and 180 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: has to be analytical and in the weeds. You literally 181 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: have to be in the weeds. But I would imagine 182 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: you some you have to take yourself out to get 183 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: the macro perspective. You're in the micro perspective with individual 184 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: stocks and investments, but then don't you have to get 185 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: to the macro perspective of the state of the world 186 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: and what trends are and the highs and the lows. 187 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: I think that when I step aside from the day 188 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: to day grind, I find out what's going on away 189 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: from me in a way that is joyous. I mean, 190 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: we will probably be talking. I can envision being with 191 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: my fabulous mother and father in law and then asking 192 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: me about what I think about Biden and the environment, 193 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: and I will say I don't know. I mean, I'll 194 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: tell you this box of so and so, no being 195 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: saving trees, getting the ocean clean. Things I really care 196 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: about that I don't think about because they seem to 197 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: not be important to my day to day but are 198 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: so important to the earth and you and I know 199 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: we have to do something about. My question is what 200 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: is your personal relationship to money, Like growing up, how 201 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: did you financially grow up? Did you have money noise anxieties? 202 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: Your parents have money, noise, anxiety. They's still a work ethic. 203 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: You have to make money and be successful. What is 204 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: your background and relationship with money? I think there was 205 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: a clock. It was one of those old fashioned clocks, 206 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: little rounded thing was on the bureau in my parents bed, 207 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: and it was a war zone. It was a war 208 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: zone because there was a ten underneath it or five. 209 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: My father, when he left the five knew that he 210 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: couldn't make ends. Me and my mom would have to 211 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: buy chop sterling for every night, or hot dogs. The 212 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: ten meant that we could have steak in chicken. In 213 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: the battle over the five versus the ten was horrendous. 214 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: One every day we heard it. It depressed us, but 215 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: we realized what it was about. It was about my 216 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: father coming home having sold no boxes and bags. He 217 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: was selling, He sold games, he sold carpet, then he 218 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: sold boxes and bags for retailers. And when he came 219 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: home and went right into his bedroom and slammed the door, 220 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: my mother would say, go do your homework, and we 221 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: would say what happened, and she would just say, go 222 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: do your homework. And that meant that my father had 223 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: no sales. And when we watched Death of a salesman 224 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: as a family with late v Jacob. It was embarrassing 225 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: because he had the same route that my father had, 226 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: the exact same route, and just to be shut out, 227 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: to come home and have nothing that day, nothing to 228 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: bring home the five star Philadelphia bulletin, but no worders 229 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: meant the five er was gonna be underneath the clock 230 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: and the war would start again and again and again. Wow. 231 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: So that's like real serious motivation. So you kind of 232 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: had no choice but to go make money. You're in 233 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: a figure out a way. I said, that's it. I 234 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: am not gonna let this happen to me. I have 235 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: a single minded goal to be rich. The point that 236 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: my mother was repulsed. My mother, mother was dying of 237 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: cancer in she said, who have you? What have you become? 238 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: You're an artist, you were a writer. Who are you? 239 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: Who are you at Goldman Sex? Who are you to 240 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: talk about how much money you made at the dinner table? 241 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: What's happened to you? And I said, Mom, I'm not 242 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: fighting over the five or ten. I don't want to 243 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: fight over the five or ten. Wow. So but so 244 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: so many people want to be rich. So you went 245 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: to a good school, You went to Harvard, So you 246 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: were smart. So somebody wants to be rich, how do 247 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: you tell people to go do it? And I don't 248 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: mean what you do for a living, but is the 249 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: mindset and the journey and the approach. All right? My 250 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: father was a salesman, and I said, I want to 251 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: get rich. I had lived in my car. That was 252 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: an unfortunate time when I was a homicide reporter. We 253 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: can go there, but where I really realized I need 254 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: to get rich. But I I envisioned myself on a 255 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: trading desk initially when I went to Goldman Sacks after 256 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: Harvard Law. And then I realized, now I'm gonna be 257 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: like my dad. I'm gonna be a salesperson, but I'm 258 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: gonna be successful as a salesperson. Not to show my 259 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: dad was still alive. It was still alive at the 260 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: time that he didn't know what he was doing. But 261 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: to show him that he put me on the right path. 262 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: I just figured out how to do it. I read 263 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: every one of those books about how to be a salesperson, 264 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: every one of those those seal belt books, and they 265 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: just told you how to have confidence. I've had Deale 266 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: Carnegie for having say, um, I how to have confidence, 267 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: how to cold call, how to not be rejected, how 268 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: to not feel rejected, how to make it so that 269 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: when you said absolutely not, that meant maybe. Um. And 270 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: then I taught sales at Goldman and sales is being relentless. Uh. 271 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: There was a character Bud Fox in movie Wall Street. 272 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: The person who did the movie interviewed me extensively. I 273 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: brought flowers to the secretaries who were the gatekeepers. I 274 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: endlessly flattered people when I found out their birthdays. I 275 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: was relentless. You could not turn me down, and I 276 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: got the order. So it was all about getting the order. 277 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: And then later on I taught it, and then I managed. 278 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: I managed the money because I had knocked on enough doors. 279 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: And then you know, when I saw I would go 280 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: to town small towns, uh binghamton Um, you know, towns 281 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: like Chemung, Chamung County where you know, you know, because 282 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: where Mark Twain lived, and I would go and look 283 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: at the obituaries in the local paper, see who died, 284 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: who might have been wealthy, and wait a few weeks 285 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: and then called wow to manage the money. Here's what's interesting, 286 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: because I talked about this so much. Here for people 287 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: who want to figure their way out. What's interesting is 288 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: that every person who's successful, no one's bringing up bells 289 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: and whistles or new things or Instagram or filters or 290 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: any bullshit. Everybody brings up old school hard work. You're 291 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: talking about Dale Carnegie. You're talking about stuff that fifty 292 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: years ago. If you if your dad had taken five 293 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: courses and done sales in a different way, he would 294 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: have been rich. So you're taught. Everybody. Everybody has these 295 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: tools that you're talking about, which are just set yourself 296 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: up for success. And what I always say is everybody's accessible. 297 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: You can find a way to get to somebody. It's 298 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: the way that you do it. If you're talking about 299 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: the flowers the birthday for me, it was cookies. For me, 300 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: it's connecting, follow up email, finding way in through the garage. 301 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: So I like what you're saying because it's comforting two people, 302 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: and to me to tell people you could be sixty 303 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: five and be successful. Now. You don't have to be 304 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: a young kid who's a gen Z or a millennial 305 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: that you knows all these tricks, because tricks will not 306 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: make you. Tricks might get you in the door, Tricks 307 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: might be getting on TV. But you will not be 308 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: really successful unless you have these old school principles. So 309 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that, because that's what people need 310 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: to hear, and it's the truth. But then you've come 311 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: up with things brilliant, things skinny, brilliant, but it's an 312 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: extension of how hard you were. It was not something 313 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: that you woke up and said, I've got it, Eureka. 314 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: How many Mark Circer works other I don't even if 315 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: you want to be Mark Circer wroop, although I found 316 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: a lighter side of them. Believe it or not, it 317 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: is absolutely great to be a SANBC disruptor where you 318 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: have come up with something that basically makes something else 319 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: just say irrelevant, obsoleted. But how about just getting up 320 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: really early, setting the alarm early, practicing, looking in the 321 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: mirror about how you're going to handle the jetten, and 322 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: just doing it with a smile, Start on the thirty 323 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: floor of a thirty story building, and knock on every 324 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: door that had anything like equity, anything like lt D. 325 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: I didn't invent a thing, you executed. You executed. You 326 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: brought up Mark Zuckerberg. And let's pretend that the wink 327 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: of us twins did have that idea, why the way 328 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: I live next door to me that they're really nice, 329 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: but they didn't execute the way he did. He's Mark Zuckerberg. 330 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: So like the Skinny Girl MARGARITEA was a great idea, 331 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: don't get it twisted. It was a great idea, but 332 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: it was the execution. Five. If I gave that idea away, 333 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: who cares? It was the execution. I almost failed fifty times. 334 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: We didn't have glass, we didn't have a gove like. 335 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: It was a pain in the ass, but I had 336 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: to just jam it through. Like you're talking, I didn't stop. 337 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: I was relentless. So you're talking about old school principles. 338 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't that I had the best graphic designer to 339 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: put up a post. We didn't even post then. So 340 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: that's interesting. So you're, um, you've obviously had successes and 341 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: you've definitely had failures. So what has been your biggest 342 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: success and your biggest failure, your biggest hit, and your 343 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: biggest shame in your career? Okay, that's good, that's good. 344 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: My biggest failure in life. I remember Karen asking me 345 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: what was my worldview? Uh? And I didn't know what 346 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: worldview meant? And she said, idiot, what do you think 347 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: is gonna happen over the six and nine months? I said, 348 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: how do I know? She just watch your job, got 349 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: envision and then you can pick stocks for six to 350 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: nine months. But if you don't have a world view, 351 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: you're clueless. I don't want to deal with someone clueless. 352 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: And she used to leave me things in research, like 353 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: page twenty nine. It would say, meet me at uh 354 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: Texarcana tonight. Well, you know, when you're young and in love, 355 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: it's dying. Oh white wow. But you had the capability 356 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: to listen to know what you didn't know. In business, 357 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: you need to know what you know and know what 358 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: you don't know. I mean, there's so much that I 359 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't know that I have a 360 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: big world view either. I know what I know, but 361 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: I look around for other people. I just do what 362 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: I know. Are you secretive about your own personal investments? Like? 363 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: Do you? In other words? You know when I was 364 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: a kid, I grew up at the race track, and 365 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: if I because I had had a family of horse trainers, 366 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: and if I would go up to the betting window, 367 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: people would want to bet when I was betting, so 368 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: and that's a responsibility and obviously you're telling people, but 369 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: are there's some things you keep for yourself because they're 370 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: risky or you don't want to tell people. Are you 371 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: totally transparent about how you're investing? How does that work? 372 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: I'm totally transparent because I'm not allowed to invest. I 373 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: can't own anything, so yeah, I mean you're not allowed 374 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: to invest in anything. Personally. I never, I've never thought 375 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: of that. Sorry if that makes me stupid, I literally 376 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: know it's okay. Most people think that I'm secretly investing. 377 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: If you don't listen to John Stewart, you thought I 378 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: was secretly, Oh no, I literally never. I don't know 379 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: this world that openly. And when I buy a house, 380 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: I tell people, and you know, I am happy to 381 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: tell people because I'd like to think that I know 382 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: what's right. But I don't want anyone think that I 383 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: take advantage of my show to make any so I 384 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: don't earn anything. Well, this is fascinating. You think you 385 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: would have made more money in the market or in 386 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: television if if you had, if they were, you know, 387 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: too much more money in there. That's what I think. 388 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Never be able to even come nearer 389 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: but I used to make every year. Then why did you? 390 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Why do you love doing the television so much? If 391 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: it's got so much risk, personal, public scrutiny, risk, and 392 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: you wanted to be rich that was your goal. That's 393 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: so interesting to make. I got rich. I got to 394 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: where I had. I promised my mom on a deathbed 395 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: that when I got there, i'd stopped and go be 396 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: an artist, Go be a writer. And I write every night. 397 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: I write about seven thousand words at night. I do it. 398 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: My mom would have loved it. She would have said, Jimmy, 399 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy got to where he had to go with the money, 400 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: and he went back to who he really was, which 401 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: was an entertainer who tries to get people to own 402 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: stocks and learn how to do it. I fulfilled my 403 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: father's vision of making a killing, and then I fulfilled 404 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: my mother's vision of once I had made the killing, 405 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: of doing something good, given money away, being really societal 406 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: and trying to change things. At this point, it's E S. 407 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: G is holding feet c CEOs to the fire. What 408 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: are you doing about the environment, What are you doing 409 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: for quality? What are you doing from inclusion? So I've 410 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: satisfied both my mom. Okay, do you still get nervous 411 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: about things you're telling people to invest in and like 412 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: the roses and the thorns, like the things that are 413 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: gonna work at aren't And what percentage? What percentage do 414 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: you right and wrong? Well, you know, I have taken 415 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: big themes, and my biggest theme is I created an 416 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: acronym called fang and I have urged everyone since Facebook 417 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: came public and went to eighteen to own Facebook, tone 418 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: Amazon for since I don't know, for seventeen years, to 419 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: own Netflix when I first watched Netflix and it was 420 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: just gets tone. Google the day came public at eighty 421 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: eight to recommend Apple a five. And those are my 422 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: core principal stocks. And I returned to them and returned 423 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: to them, and people say they're boring, Jim, That's all 424 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: you do is return to them. I say, go to 425 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: hell the right and then periodically all of others like 426 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: in video that really are terrific, and then I'll make 427 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: forward right now. Then I'll make a lot of mistakes. 428 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: But the fact is is that my core stocks, Uh, 429 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: if you bet against me, you were crushed always the 430 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: little people on Twitter, so oh, I took the other 431 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: side of a Kramer said their chowder heads and sunshine nothings, 432 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 1: And I don't mind calling them out because I'm from 433 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and I just don't care. I come right back 434 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: at you, just like everybody in Philly. We come right 435 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: back at you. So don't you dare come into our zone? 436 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: Don't you dare? Is your investment style, if your personal 437 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: investments that would be conservative or aggressive? Oh? Conservative? I 438 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: mean I'm I I think that give it my age. 439 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: I can't afford to be aggressive anymore. It's too risky. 440 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: I got a wife, I've got kids, I've got responsibilities. 441 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: I don't want them. I don't want to make it 442 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: so that they have so much money that they don't 443 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: they don't look. I want them to fight over the 444 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: fifth year of the hundred, over the under the clock, 445 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: not the five or the ten. But I want them 446 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: all to work hard, and I want them all to 447 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: to realize and get the pride of work. But I 448 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: also meant at the age where it would really be silly. 449 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: As I used to tell people at Goldman Sacks, you 450 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: only need to get rich ones. That's so true. And 451 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: where where are you on shorting stocks in your mind? 452 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: Like as a principle, is that don't is that that 453 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: in the don't pass line? I mean, look at this 454 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: game stop. If you had shorted that, you wiped out AMC. 455 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: Now now it's shorting is too risky for for the 456 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: people who who watched my show, But what about just 457 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: any person? Just no, you're not a fan of shorting 458 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: stocks because it's unlimited losses and it's arrogance to some degree. 459 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: You think you're smart in the market, and there are 460 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: things obviously that are frauds, but you better have your 461 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: your you better really have it down. And for my audience, 462 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: that's too hard. It's not fair. Okay, what percentage are 463 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: you lucky? We're percentage smart? Well, first of all, it's 464 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: better to be lucky than good. Okay, but what are you? Oprah? 465 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Once they asked me to come on her show and 466 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: talk about how lucky it was. And I get up 467 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: between three thirty four every day to study, and I 468 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: studied to a webin at night in between shows. I 469 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: do it so I can be better than everybody else. 470 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: I can't always, but my homework is my craft, and 471 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: my craft gives me confidence, and my confidence makes me 472 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: be a lot more right than well, it's amazing and 473 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: people must come up to you on the street forgetting 474 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: just being famous, telling you their personal stories about I 475 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: invested this in this and I bought a house or 476 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: love it, Oh you do love it. It It happens a 477 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: lot right up to me last night at dinner saying 478 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: that she had basically I made a ton of money 479 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: watching watching the show, wanted to thank me, and it's 480 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: very grateful. Just had done quite well in life by 481 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: watching the show, and I was thrilled. I get a 482 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: lot more of those, and I get people who like 483 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: the people who hide beyond whatever silly moniker they have 484 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter, who say I am an idiot because I 485 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: recommended Apple and I went from one. So yeah, I'm 486 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: proud of that. I've made a lot of people out 487 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: of money. And you could say, well, it's anecdotal, but 488 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: after sixteen years it's empirical, or I wouldn't be one 489 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: right in the hook. No one's been able to really 490 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: duplicate it, which is really interesting because everything is a remix. 491 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: So what is your personal family life like and how 492 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: do you try to be present in that and be 493 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: so connected to what you're doing, and how does it 494 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: all fit have a split family. I think it's been 495 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: as good as it can be. Obviously, nobody gets married 496 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: to get divorced. We all went together to St. Lucian 497 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: for Christmas vacation. I had a great time my ex wife, 498 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: my wife, her ex husband, their kids, my kids, they're 499 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: significant others, and it was an amazing time, a time 500 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: where we do things together. This is our third time 501 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: doing it. And uh, you want everyone to get along. 502 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: You can't always because obviously there were reasons why you 503 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: got divorced. But I would say one of my four 504 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: or five best friends is my wife's ex husband. Wow, 505 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: that's nice. I think he's a sensational guy. Bill. Oh, 506 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: you're current your's your second marriage and your current wife's 507 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: ex husband. And so you're good at blending. You're good 508 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: at blending, you're good at into personal relationships. It sounds well, yeah, 509 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: how can you not be? Bill is fantastic, And um, 510 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: I remember our we had a we had at our wedding. 511 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: My sister said, look at those two. Those two are 512 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: having the greatest time. I want to meet them. I've 513 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: never seen my sol. I'll bring him over. And she 514 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: said to Bill, she said, wow, you are having the 515 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: best time. What's your relation? Why are you here? And 516 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: Bill said, oh, I'm the d my boy. That's my 517 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: ex wife out there. And my sister said, you're at 518 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: your ex wife wedding and he said, I wouldn't miss 519 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: it for the world. That's beautiful. So you're doing something right. 520 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: How much to their kids love that. I'm hoping to 521 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: go voting with him this weekend. I just got my 522 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: wife and new whaler. Uh we go out Father's Day 523 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: for our son, who loves that. I do call him 524 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: our I know he's my stepson, but I love him 525 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: to death. I love his sister to death. They are 526 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: the greatest. They treat me so well. It always gives 527 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: me puts me a smile on my face. I want 528 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: my kids. You know my kids are you know, they're 529 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: not as as contibual. Um, but they had a great 530 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: time on the on the trip, and I own a 531 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: couple of restaurants and they both like to go by 532 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: the restaurants, which is fantastic. But my my oldest teaches 533 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: English and Madrid, so you don't get to see him 534 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: nearly as much as i'd like. Well, um, I've had 535 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: many different people on here that are very successful. Well, 536 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: the metric here or the sort of filter is to 537 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: have started from the bottom and be here in your 538 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: own non traditional way. Uh. And I'm really proud of 539 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: the people because it's like I've kept it really tight. 540 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: I want like people with stories like yours. But I 541 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: also ask these very successful people who are often married 542 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: or in relationships with other successful people. So we talk 543 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: about successful relationships. So just because your divorce doesn't mean 544 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: you're not you know, you don't have to have a 545 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: successful relationship. So what does a successful relationship require? Does 546 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: it require along leash? Does it require total acceptance? Does 547 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: it require Uh? If it's important to you, it's important 548 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: to me. What are your what's your prescription for that? 549 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: If you have one? Obviously that's in love. But there's 550 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: that goes without saying space space age. I never sold 551 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: my house, She never sold her house. Monday nights and 552 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: Thursday nights are nights with my kids or with my 553 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: butts always since the day we met? Interesting and when 554 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: was that? How long ago is that? To this? Five? Okay? 555 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: He Um is with her girlfriends. She has her group. 556 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: I love them. I have my group, she loves them. 557 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: But I have my time and she has her time. 558 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: We are never on top of each other. We are 559 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: people who give the other person the opportunity to lead 560 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: their lives as they were before, as they always wanted. 561 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: And when you take that out of the equation, they're like, hey, 562 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't get to spend any time X or go 563 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: to the ball game. Why your love life is is 564 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: enhanced from mattath Okay, I want to say something to you. 565 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: This is the secret that no one talks about. This 566 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: is the secret that no one's telling young people getting 567 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: married because I'm now asking every person on here who's 568 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: successful and has a major career, So that makes it 569 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: more challenging because they're divided. And I'm telling you this 570 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: this long leash and space concept where there are different quadrants. 571 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: So I'm with my daughter, then I'm with my fiance alone, 572 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: then we're all together with all the kids, and then 573 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: he's buying himself with his Like there's quadrants and it's 574 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: a dirty secret that no one wants to say. People 575 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: need space because when you get together, you become one person. 576 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: You're almost codependent. What are we doing? What are we 577 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: doing for dinner? What are we doing this weekend? And 578 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: you feel like it's wrong if you don't want to 579 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: do something, and you want the other person to be 580 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: what you want them to be. I'm if you're with 581 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: somebody who's the boring one and you're the crazy one, 582 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: you look at them like, why are you boring? I 583 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: can go find excitement on my own, with my own 584 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: other quadrants. So what you're saying is super important and 585 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: no one talks about it. My wife loves to go 586 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: to Quog little town, uh long On and I garden there. 587 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: I love it. It's terrific. I love the Philadelphia Eagles, 588 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just love them like always. 589 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter. And I go to those 590 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: games and no one's gonna stop me. I never missed 591 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: the game. She gets to go to Quog. I get 592 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: to go to my games. I love it when she goes. 593 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: But if she doesn't, I understand. And I'm with my 594 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm with my friends, and that space is so important. 595 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: Everyone told me i'd sell my house. Everyone told her 596 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: she she would sell her house. We kept our houses. 597 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: We know where to go and we have I mean, look, 598 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: everyone's going to say, well, this is ridiculous, but it's true. 599 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: We don't fight. Well no, but Jamie, uh Jamie Simonov 600 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: who created the ring told me they don't think about 601 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: the optics of their relationship. They don't think about what 602 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be, whether she's traveling, he's traveling. So 603 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: that's what you're saying. So I literally, I'm going to 604 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: write this whole recipe book on this successful relationship thing 605 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: because I think I'm onto something here. I'm learning so 606 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: much and it's all different. It's as non traditional as 607 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: the way that you came up in business and as 608 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: how you make your limits. Oh, you have to do it. 609 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see my wife on Tuesday night. 610 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't get to see your mind tonight. But if 611 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: she ground you, if she ground you into being with her, 612 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: you would not feel that same way. It would feel 613 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: like an albatross. And I get what you're saying completely. 614 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: So I love this. This is good. This is amazing. 615 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: Take away. We went to a dinner uh and Mark 616 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: Bennie Ops. It was a terrific businessman built salesforce. Uh. 617 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: It was late lunch and we had to go around 618 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: the room and it was all his board and a 619 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: lot of famous people including say Tony Robbins was there, 620 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, guys, it's more people, and they 621 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: went around the room and had to say what they were, 622 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: and uh, they we're all, I mean, there wasn't this 623 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: person that wasn't a Titan. And they get to my 624 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: wife and my wife says, I'm the CEO of this 625 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: guy and she points to me. Brought the house down, 626 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: but true, he's the CEO of me. And she pencils 627 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: me in to be with friends on Monday night and 628 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: Thursday night. Fascinating. You're amazing. We've had some great people 629 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: on here, you Hallary Clinton, Chelsea Handler, Matthew McConaughey. People show. 630 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's blowout. So I'm honored to be in 631 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: your show. It's just total blowout. Thank you. I know. 632 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep it like lean and and on 633 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: brand And if you know anybody who you think is 634 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: should appropriate to be on the show. You know, we've 635 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: even had but it's not all famous people. We've had 636 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: the guy from General Catalyst, people that you would know 637 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: of that other people wouldn't know. The guy who created Kind, 638 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: Daniel Lebski, so, oh my god. Kind. The CFO was 639 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: that we hand the department. Uh, my wife lost real 640 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: estate and the CFO was from Kind and I said, 641 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: pay let us, please, let them pay us in kind. 642 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: I want stock and said, no, you don't do that, 643 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: it's real estate. I didn't know. I want chair, so 644 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: I want points in kind. She said, Now he really 645 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: doesn't want to do that. What a company? Crazy? But 646 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean crazy. So if you know anybody, throw them 647 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: over here. If you've somebody who's start, you know, I'm 648 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: molling right now. I know what you mean. Titans like 649 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: you just said, tighten your shows about people having within 650 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: themselves success well, and and everybody likes coming on here 651 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: because I don't. I'm not asking you to talk. You 652 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: can talk whatever you want. I'm not asking about scandal. 653 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to got you. I want to understand 654 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: who you are, how you did it, how you think, 655 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: what your father said, what your mother said, which you 656 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: really It's just a real conversation. So I'm obsessed with this. 657 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: I love it. So if you think of anybody, let 658 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: me know. But you were amazing and your time is 659 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: obviously so valuable, and I hope you have the best vacation. Well, 660 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on and have the best time 661 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: on your vacation, and say hello to your family the best. 662 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Awesome, great, that was Jim Kramer. 663 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: That was interesting, that was different, That was telling I 664 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: love guests who are willing to completely reveal themselves, tell 665 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: personal information, insight just to help you. I thought it 666 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 1: was really a special conversation. And I just every day 667 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: I learned something here and I just sit down, I'm like, 668 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: all right, what's this conversation going to actually be like? 669 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: And then it goes on this journey and I end 670 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: up really becoming alive and just electrifi. So it always 671 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: motivates my day to have his awesome conversations. Thank you 672 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: for listening, Grate, review and subscribe. I appreciate you. Just 673 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: Be is hosted an executive produced by me Bethany Frankel. 674 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: Just Be is a production of the Real Productions and 675 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Our Managing Producer is Fiona Smith and 676 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: our producer is Stephanie Sender. Our EP is Morgan Leavoy. 677 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: To catch more moments from the show, follow us on 678 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: Instagram and just Be with Bethany