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Speaker 1: What's up, guys.

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Speaker 2: Chris here you with you on a new episode of

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Speaker 2: Chargers Weekly Off Season Edition. Whether you're listening on YouTube

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Speaker 2: or Apple podcast Spotify, appreciate you guys being here. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a draft analyst on every Thursday leading up

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Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. Here with me

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Speaker 2: now front of the pod, Luke Easterling. I think we've

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Speaker 2: done this like three years in a row, Luke Luke,

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft Wire USA today. Bucks Wire. Has been a

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Speaker 2: busy few weeks for you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: It has Chris Man. It's good to be with you again.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, what a run right We've got, you know,

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Speaker 3: going back to Tom Brady in March and things got

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Speaker 3: busy there for a little while. And obviously the regular

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Speaker 3: season was quite a roller coaster, but man, what a

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Speaker 3: playoff run to be able to cover. Obviously a very

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Speaker 3: strange season, so nobody really covered it like we normally do,

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Speaker 3: but uh, I mean, it was it was. It was surreal, man,

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Speaker 3: especially the fact that it happened here in Tampa at

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Speaker 3: Raymond James Stadium. I I tweeted a few days ago

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Speaker 3: that like at least once a day, I just laugh.

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Speaker 3: I just laugh uncontrollably because it doesn't make sense, none

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Speaker 3: of it. None of it's still like, it doesn't it

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Speaker 3: doesn't hit, man, it doesn't land. It was. It was

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Speaker 3: a wild ride, and uh it was. It was pretty busy,

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Speaker 3: but man like, like I said to you off the air,

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Speaker 3: that's why we do this is is to be able

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Speaker 3: to have a chance to cover something like that. And

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Speaker 3: it was. It was a wild ride. I loved it,

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Speaker 3: no question. Man.

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Speaker 2: The team was seven and five hits, the bye doesn't lose.

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Speaker 2: Win's the super Bowl Tampa. The boat party was wild.

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Speaker 2: Were you were you anywhere near that?

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Speaker 3: No? Okay, no I was. I was happily at home

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Speaker 3: watching and laughing with my children at at all of

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Speaker 3: the uh interesting events that took place out on the

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Speaker 3: Hillsboro River. It was a safe distance away and enjoyed

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Speaker 3: it safely from my desk.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Well, hey man, we have a lot

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Speaker 2: of draft stuff to get to, but I want to

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Speaker 2: just kick off things. Unfortunately, on a sober note, the

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Speaker 2: NFL family, we lost Vincent Jackson, sudden loss and it

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Speaker 2: directly affects the chargers in the bucks who you covered.

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Speaker 1: And I know you covered Vincent.

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Speaker 2: If you want just I love to get your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on just who Vincent was the man, I know, the

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Speaker 2: impact that.

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Speaker 1: He made on that Tampa community.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And you know I wrote about this immediately

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Speaker 3: after the news because obviously it's you know, Vince is

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Speaker 3: a couple of years older than I am. Man, it's

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Speaker 3: and we're seeing it all too often, you know, in

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Speaker 3: in in general, in life and in the in the

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Speaker 3: media ranks. We've had so many people that we've lost

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Speaker 3: it just it's it gets tiring, right, it gets you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's so upsetting to continue to see people struggling

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Speaker 3: and to continue to deal with loss like this. But

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Speaker 3: in terms of Vincent as a as a person, as

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Speaker 3: a player, go back to when he signed with Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 3: You know, he signed a really big deal in free agency.

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Speaker 3: This was not really a team that was used to

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Speaker 3: making those kinds of moves, right. They were, you know,

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Speaker 3: in free agency in particular, were particularly you know, not

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Speaker 3: jewel of that free agent class, right. And you know,

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Speaker 3: there are far more free agent busts than there are

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Speaker 3: guys that live up to those big contracts, right, and

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Speaker 3: Vincent was the rare exception. You know, he signed I

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Speaker 3: think a five year, fifty five million dollar deal, and

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Speaker 3: this is back in I think twenty twelve, right, so

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Speaker 3: that's you know, that's still a pretty big deal for

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Speaker 3: a wide receiver back then, and he was as advertised man.

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Speaker 3: He came in right away and he only played here

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Speaker 3: for five seasons, but he's number four on the team's

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Speaker 3: all time receiving yards list after five seasons, so you know,

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Speaker 3: on the field as a player, he lived up to

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Speaker 3: the locker room as a leader, as a as a

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Speaker 3: fact that in twenty fourteen, after Vincent had been here

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Speaker 3: Mike Evans. He at number seven overall. He was Jason

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Speaker 3: five two hundred and thirty pound you, know athletic pass

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Speaker 3: i Think mike would probably be the first person to

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Speaker 3: tell you, that you, Know Mike evans is probably not

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Speaker 3: standing here as the only player IN nfl history to

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Speaker 3: start his career with seven one thousand yard seasons and

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Speaker 3: he's not putting up double digit touchdowns every year if

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Speaker 3: he doesn't have those few years With Vincent jackson to

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Speaker 3: just an incredible mentor For mike in particular to, have

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Speaker 3: those two things, are the fact that he was more

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Speaker 3: impressive in The Tampa bay community it says so much

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Speaker 3: about who he is as a. Person and you, know his,

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Speaker 3: Here he owns a you, know he owned a couple

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Speaker 3: he embraced This Tampa bay area and again on every

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Speaker 3: as a. Leader you, know it's just it's a big.

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Speaker 3: Loss it's a big loss in every way for this

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Speaker 3: community and for The bucks, family for THE nfl, family

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Speaker 3: and obviously our our hearts and our prayers go to

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Speaker 3: his family and to everybody who Loved, vincent of WHICH

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Speaker 3: i am. One. Man it's it's it's a hard, Loss

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Speaker 2: Loss let's transition into the Draft obviously this is a

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Speaker 2: this is a weird. Year what is it going to

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Speaker 2: be like for you putting these mock drafts, together trying

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Speaker 2: way with NO nfl, combine with really lack of tape

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Speaker 3: Yourself, YEAH i, think you, know and that challenge is

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Speaker 3: going to be mirrored across the, LEAGUE i think as

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Speaker 3: things you, know in terms OF covid nineteen really started

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Speaker 3: and private workouts started to be. Impacted but you, had you,

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Speaker 3: obviously it's not the whole package in terms of your,

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Speaker 3: evaluation it does make it much more. Challenging, so you,

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Speaker 3: Guys you, know some of these guys don't have as much,

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Speaker 3: staying healthy for the. Draft and there's some interesting decisions

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Speaker 3: Already this is is going to be even more. Challenging

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Speaker 1: IT i go back to last. Year Obviously Justin herbert

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Speaker 2: Right you, know he was In oregon for four, years

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Speaker 2: but he checked all those off season boxes right The Senior,

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Speaker 2: On justin before the, draft and we'll get into, that

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Speaker 2: BUT i think that this is a critical part that

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Speaker 2: you may see talent that's first round talent dropped to

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Speaker 2: EVENTS i feel like that we're missing out on in this.

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Speaker 2: Offseason it sometimes pushes a guy up to the second.

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Speaker 3: Or the first. Round. Yeah, Absolutely AND i think that's,

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Speaker 3: why you, know probably you know it's The Senior bowl

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Speaker 3: it every year at The Senior, bowl you, know it's

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Speaker 3: not necessarily every year that you get a quarterback Like

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Speaker 1: Year so let's go back To Justin, Herbert Kenneth.

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Speaker 2: Murray where did you have those guys going into the

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Speaker 1: Did and you, know.

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Speaker 2: If we're redrafting, today Mister, herbert maybe number one. Overall.

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Speaker 3: easy decision For washington at number, two because Whoever cincinnati

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Speaker 3: you should be pushing every corner of what that player

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Speaker 3: Justin herbert exceeded expectations and in doing, so proved that

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Speaker 3: when you give him the ability and the you, know

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Speaker 3: LIKE i, said in his first year in THE nfl

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Speaker 3: winning The Rose bowl At, Oregon and it's just so,

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Speaker 2: Position it's something too where you, KNOW i look At

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Speaker 2: lsu same With, tua and then you Place herbert in

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Speaker 2: You said BECAUSE i Think Brandon staley said the same

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Speaker 2: make the system justin Whatever justin is comfortable. With SO

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Speaker 2: whether that's a first round pick or you, Know i'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you about the depth in this. Draft free

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Speaker 2: agency another. Possibility but at number thirteen, OVERALL i saw

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Speaker 2: your two round Mock christian Darosolv Virginia. Tech that's one

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Speaker 2: of MANY o line Prospects i've seen mock to The

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Speaker 2: chargers at number thirteen, overall maybe we could start With

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Speaker 2: christian and then just your overall thoughts on the offensive

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Speaker 2: go in that, direction it seems like there could be

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Speaker 3: Thirteen, YEAH i think this class matches up really well

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Speaker 3: also the overall depth and their ability to play with

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Speaker 3: Rashaun slater From, northwestern WHO i have ranked ahead of.

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Speaker 3: Him you, know you know how much this is, about you,

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Speaker 3: wurfs ended up being the best one as a. Rookie

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Speaker 3: so you can get that type of player if you

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Speaker 3: DEARRISOL i think would be a great fit. THERE i

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Speaker 3: One he's, big he's, strong he's. Athletic he can do

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Speaker 3: guys down the. BOARD i wouldn't be surprised to see

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Speaker 3: twelve and that's what you want to. See and that's

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Speaker 3: man getting back To Justin. Herbert when you have that,

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Speaker 3: guy everything else is easier in so many. Ways and

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Speaker 3: pass rushers and your pass, catchers those guys are all

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Speaker 3: know maybe a special player falls to us at. Thirteen

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Speaker 3: speed wide receiver who can take the top off the

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Speaker 3: defense and continue to push Justin herbert and, say, hey

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Speaker 3: we're going to give you a guy that can you can't, overthrow,

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Speaker 3: Right let's just give you some more toys to play with.

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Speaker 3: Here you can make that pick because you are confident

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Speaker 3: know teams need other. Positions. Nobody we're not gonna see

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Speaker 3: nine or ten offensive tackles out of thirty two. Picks

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Speaker 3: it's not gonna. Happen so if you're sitting there almost

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Speaker 3: gonna fall to, you it's gonna. Happen and if, again

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Speaker 3: if you have your your heart set on a, guy

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Speaker 3: maybe you flip A day three pick to move, up you,

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Speaker 3: know a couple of picks to get the guy you.

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Speaker 3: Want and we've seen obviously they made that kind of

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Speaker 3: move last year to get back into the first round

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Speaker 3: to get the guy they wanted at a specific. Position

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Speaker 3: so it's a great year to have a quarterback, already

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Speaker 3: and it's a great year to need offensive linemen and

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Speaker 3: you BECAUSE i think there's going to be some great

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Speaker 2: Or just have the flexibility. Too you have nine, picks

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Speaker 2: could just stack picks and stack players. Here and this

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Speaker 2: is the type of draft WHERE i, said, listen.

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Speaker 3: You have nine.

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Speaker 2: Picks there's gonna be some talent that could potentially fall

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Speaker 2: Macha If email and fal move From syracuse. Cornerback, now

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Speaker 2: if let's just say you flip it for the sake

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Speaker 2: you Know patrick's. ARTAN i don't know if both those

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Speaker 2: i think from A chargers perspective to know that the

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Speaker 2: depth is strong in the offensive. Line that would give

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Speaker 2: you that flexibility to potentially get a guy Like waddle

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Speaker 2: or to get a top flight corner to pair With

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Speaker 2: Derwin james and this New Brandon staley.

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Speaker 3: Defense, yeah that's exactly WHAT i, mean, man is that

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Speaker 3: you do not have to get pegged into that position

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Speaker 3: because of the, depth and that's not something you really

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Speaker 3: want to do. Anyway, Right you never want to, say you,

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Speaker 3: KNOW i have to get an offensive tackle at, thirteen

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Speaker 3: or you know it didn't you know it didn't work.

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Speaker 3: Out that's how you end up reaching for guys you

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Speaker 3: know There's you never draft a second round grade over

444
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Speaker 3: a first round, grade. Right you never want to take

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Speaker 3: a player who you have graded below that level just

446
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Speaker 3: because you don't need that, position because obviously, injuries you

447
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Speaker 3: just never know what's going to happen once they actually start,

448
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Speaker 3: Playing and you never want to pass up quality talent

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Speaker 3: for a guy that you don't think is as, good

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Speaker 3: even if you need that. Position and again that's what

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Speaker 3: free agency is. For you, know the PHILOSOPHY i think

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Speaker 3: the most successful franchisees is do everything you can to

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Speaker 3: fill your biggest needs in free, agency to give yourself

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Speaker 3: as much flexibility in the draft as, possible so you

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Speaker 3: don't feel like you're, you're you, know hemmed into those specific,

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Speaker 3: positions even if it's just finding you, know economic veterans

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Speaker 3: in the second and third wave of free agency that

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Speaker 3: you could feel, Comfortable, hey this could be an improvement

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Speaker 3: for us at this. Position it's not a long term,

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Speaker 3: solution it's not you, know a blue chip, talent but

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Speaker 3: we feel comfortable about. Him if we have to start

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Speaker 3: him for next, year you, know that's a more economical,

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Speaker 3: option and we feel like we don't have to reach

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Speaker 3: for a tackle at. Thirteen if the guy we likes not,

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Speaker 3: there we can take a guy at a different position

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Speaker 3: and still feel comfortable about the. Value that's how free

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Speaker 3: agency and the draft have to work, together and that's

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Speaker 3: how you build a, strong successful. FRANCHISE i think it

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Speaker 3: was in out.

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Speaker 2: TODAY i think the floor of the salary cap is

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty, Million so you, know we do

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Speaker 2: these mock draft, exercises but there's going to be some

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Speaker 2: surprise releases here over the next several, weeks and depending

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Speaker 2: on what happens in free, agency your.

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Speaker 1: Board could change it maybe a little. BIT i know

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Speaker 1: that you know you.

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Speaker 2: Want to draft the best player, available but like you,

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Speaker 2: said if you can address some of these issues that

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Speaker 2: you have on your football team a free, agency it

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Speaker 2: may give you that flexibility to maybe take a swing

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Speaker 2: that you typically.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't, yeah one of.

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Speaker 3: MY i guess Pet peeves is the best way to put.

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Speaker 3: It but like when when you're interacting with with fans

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Speaker 3: on social media and readers when they're reading mock, drafts

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Speaker 3: and that one of my least favorite retorts is you

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Speaker 3: KNOW x OR y will never. Happen that there's no

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Speaker 3: way so and so player is going to go to

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Speaker 3: so and so. Team we'll see It's. February you can't

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Speaker 3: really say. THAT i feel pretty confident in Saying Trevor

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Speaker 3: lawrence is not going to be a. Buccaneer, that's you,

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Speaker 3: know nine. Confident there there's a there are very few

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Speaker 3: of those every, year right because we've seen players, fall

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Speaker 3: we've seen teams jump up and make a bold. Trade you, know.

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Speaker 3: Nobody nobody thought The chiefs were going to trade up

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Speaker 3: For Patrick mahomes in that. Draft they Had Alex, smith

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Speaker 3: they just paid. Him they none of that makes, sense,

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Speaker 3: Right but it happens because we never. Know so anytime

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Speaker 3: anybody says there's no way or, NEVER i caution them

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Speaker 3: because that's those are famous last. Words. Man you you

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Speaker 3: never know who's gonna. Fall you never, know you, know

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Speaker 3: Ask Laramie. Tunsel you know how things can change so

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Speaker 3: quickly for the wildest, reasons, Right you never ever? Know,

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Speaker 3: Uh and you know that's why, again mock DRAFTS i

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Speaker 3: think are so fun to. Me and you, know one

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Speaker 3: of the reasons People i'll be, like, oh you know,

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Speaker 3: this what's what's the point of a mock draft In

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Speaker 3: december Or? January because it's, Fun because it's fun to

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Speaker 3: talk about what would The chargers look like With Christian

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Speaker 3: darisol and whoever else they get in the second, rould

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Speaker 3: what would they how would they, fit and what would

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Speaker 3: the team look like if they did. This it's just, fun,

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Speaker 3: Man it's fun to talk about how these guys, fit

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Speaker 3: where they could, be what happens if he doesn't get,

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Speaker 3: there what happens if we trade. Up it's, football it's a.

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Speaker 3: Game we're all here to have a good. Time so you,

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Speaker 3: KNOW i think as long as we don't take ourselves

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Speaker 3: too seriously, here we can have a really good. Time

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Speaker 3: and that's that's really what it comes down to for,

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Speaker 3: me is talking about all of those chaotic, possibility all

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Speaker 3: of those different scenarios that are all very likely as

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Speaker 3: much as they are. Unlikely you just never, know and

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Speaker 3: that's why it's fun to kind of talk about them

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Speaker 3: in debate. Them it's.

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Speaker 2: Fun it also allows you to educate yourself on the

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Speaker 2: prospects along the, way because how many. Iterations, look you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have your mock draft leading up To, april, right

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be different guys in different. Slots you're gonna

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Speaker 2: do your research in the. Fan is gonna be able to, Say, okay,

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Speaker 2: COOL i know a little bit more About Christian dearisol

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Speaker 2: Or Rashaun slater Or Caleb. Farley so don't take it too.

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Speaker 2: Serious it's a fun exercise and you learn along the. Way, So,

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Speaker 2: LUKE i always love doing this with. You.

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Speaker 1: MAN i kept you a little.

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Speaker 2: Long what do you have going on over the next

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Speaker 2: couple of months and where can people find you.

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Speaker 3: Work oh, man it's my. Pleasure we've Got we're really

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Speaker 3: starting to ramp things up at Draft. Wire now we're

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Speaker 3: gonna be rolling out our scouting reports on as many

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Speaker 3: of the top prospects as we can get. Through i've

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Speaker 3: been doing a mock draft a week Since, september because,

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Speaker 3: again it's just fun to. Do somebody tweeted me a

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Speaker 3: couple of months ago and they were, LIKE i. WAS

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Speaker 3: i was googling to see last Year's january mock drafts

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Speaker 3: to see how stupid they. Are AND i found one

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Speaker 3: From Luke easterling where all seven of the top seven

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Speaker 3: picks were exactly. Right and there was one side of

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Speaker 3: me that was, like nice, job, Buddy and THEN i was, like,

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Speaker 3: wait that MEANS i got worse Between january And. APRIL

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Speaker 3: i don't know how to feel about, This so just

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Speaker 3: pitting that to the top, right it's gonna. STICK i

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Speaker 3: guess it should have taught me that WHATEVER i did last,

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Speaker 3: MONTH i should have just stuck with and just you,

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Speaker 3: know just kept. Going but now you can find us

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Speaker 3: at draftwire DOT usa today dot com for all of

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Speaker 3: our draft. Stuff i'm At Luke easterling On twitter we're

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Speaker 3: at the draft wire On, twitter but, man mock. Drafts

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Speaker 3: i'm rolling through my positional. Rankings i'm updating all my

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Speaker 3: positional rankings right. Now i've done all the. Offense just

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Speaker 3: started on. Defense so we've got the edge guys out.

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Speaker 3: Now we'll have, linebackers corner safeties coming, out, interior defensive

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Speaker 3: line over the next few days and just, again you,

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Speaker 3: know rolling through, it getting to know as much as

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Speaker 3: we can about these prospects so we can let the

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Speaker 3: fans know as much as we can about the guys

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Speaker 3: that are going to be playing for their teams and

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00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: making a big. Impact look how many, rookies Justin Herbert

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Speaker 3: Tristan WURFS i mentioned, Earlier Justin, jefferson so many, rookies

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Speaker 3: guys Like James, robinson guys that aren't even on the,

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Speaker 3: radar can make an instant impact at a moment's. Notice

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Speaker 3: so that's why we try to go deep with this. Stuff.

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00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 3: Man we try to find as much as we can

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Speaker 3: and present that information to the fans so they can

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Speaker 3: look back and, say, HEY i know a little something

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 2: GUY i can't Recommend luke's work. Enough, Man thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for joining. Us and thanks you guys for.

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Speaker 2: Listening to be sure to download and subscribe on The

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Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast network wherever you listen to, podcasts have a great,

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Speaker 2: weekend and until next, Time I'm Chris harry