Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: low classes? Malone, How do you feel about that cam
Speaker 1: Jim Jones? Thank jobs? I see that Harlem hat. That's funny.
Speaker 2: Just I just happen to buy it when I was
Speaker 2: in New York man mates the hoodie. I've never been
Speaker 2: a dip Set fan even remotely. No, no, I love
Speaker 2: dip Set, and these niggas is pushing fitty. What are
Speaker 2: we doing bro at fifty? I can't argue at fifty publicly?
Speaker 1: No, nigga, Well is it politics all built on grown
Speaker 1: people arguing class fifty?
Speaker 2: Okay? Me and you get into it. We're getting to it.
Speaker 2: We got it. I don't like you. I get on
Speaker 2: my podcast start shitting on you. The first thing you're
Speaker 2: gonna say to your boys that nigga's a bit why?
Speaker 2: Because I'm out here whining and you know it, nigga.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, I didn't think so. I didn't think so.
Speaker 2: There's certain gangs in your area that have been online
Speaker 2: arguing with each other for the longest, and most of
Speaker 2: us people that are non gang related are entertained by it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it lessens our respect for
Speaker 2: the gang culture.
Speaker 1: But you don't think that's more rooted than the fact
Speaker 1: that it's been humanized versus kind of how you had,
Speaker 1: Like you had this kind of what's that, Uh, it's
Speaker 1: Greek mythology, Like you had this kind of Greek mythology
Speaker 1: perception of it based off of like movies versus that
Speaker 1: is just regular people like people from Detroit to Cleveland, right,
Speaker 1: like living life culturally the same way, no different.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't have a great mythology view to it,
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Quite honest, So how could you have respect for it?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: What was respectable? It would be the same thing that
Speaker 1: would be outside your front door, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, whether it makes sense or not, you tend
Speaker 2: to respect people with the the balls to live by
Speaker 2: their own rules. So I mean, I may not be
Speaker 2: a fan of gangs, and I'm not, but I also
Speaker 2: see that there are some good qualities and being in
Speaker 2: a gang. If the gangs were channeled differently energy wise,
Speaker 2: they could be so powerful.
Speaker 1: What do you think they should be channel That's a
Speaker 1: fair question, that's a fair thought.
Speaker 2: I think that, and we're talking about Mexicans in the
Speaker 2: animal ward. I think that having not grown up with
Speaker 2: Mexicans and having little to no interaction with the Mexican
Speaker 2: computer community, I'm ignorant to that fact. However, from what
Speaker 2: I've seen, what I've talked, you know, people I've talked to,
Speaker 2: what I've heard is that their gangs are Mexican first
Speaker 2: and then a gang.
Speaker 1: You know that's not true. But you know that's not true, though,
Speaker 1: how is it not? Because they beef and killed over
Speaker 1: the same things.
Speaker 3: I think that's true inside more more or less like
Speaker 3: comparatively relative to like street.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, like I think there's a there's a perception
Speaker 1: of what's happening, then there's a reality of what's happening.
Speaker 1: The perception is it's another way to put down poor
Speaker 1: black people. The reality is it's pretty standard no matter
Speaker 1: which you know, racial construct we're talking about. But I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the respect people have for gangs
Speaker 1: is because of the myth of it all. If you look,
Speaker 1: you know, it's regular people, just like people from Detroit, Cleveland, Miami,
Speaker 1: same exact experience. It's just we've been the benefit of
Speaker 1: Hollywood branding. It's no different, Like it's not really anything special,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like not to degrade my
Speaker 1: culture experience. But I hope, hopefully it will connect us
Speaker 1: into black culture, you know, as far as ghetto culture
Speaker 1: around the world, like equally to where it's like you realize,
Speaker 1: it's no different than Detroit. It's no different than Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: It's no different than Little Rock or Houston or Dallas.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Like we don't fight over anything
Speaker 1: different than anybody else in a poor circumstance around this
Speaker 1: country fights over.
Speaker 2: The difference is if you got a beef with a
Speaker 2: Mexican gang and going to a Mexican community and decimate
Speaker 2: that gang, all the rest of those gangs, whether they
Speaker 2: beefing or not, they're going to beef with you first.
Speaker 1: That's probably that's probably That's probably not true with us.
Speaker 1: Here's a perfect example. When I was growing up, when
Speaker 1: I first got put on a neighborhood. You feel me,
Speaker 1: my gang was beefing with the Largos, which is a
Speaker 1: gang in content content VIDI Largos really respect the gang, huge,
Speaker 1: big numbers. My gang is right, one hundred and seventeen
Speaker 1: street Watts, Right, we have a Mexican component that's only
Speaker 1: a Mexican component because they went to prison called CV
Speaker 1: one one seven when they killed one of my older homies,
Speaker 1: rest in peace. This is my my homie Pluck that
Speaker 1: raised me, my older moon homie Moon that raised me,
Speaker 1: their little brother when he when they killed him. The Largos,
Speaker 1: the one one sevens went hard at them. They never said,
Speaker 1: you know what, were Mexicans. The black side of the
Speaker 1: gang gets on their own because you guys beef Mexicans.
Speaker 1: They went over there and went harder than everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to know how they were viewed by other
Speaker 2: Mexican gangs that had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: What do you mean other Mexican gangs had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it? Specifically a Mexican gang. I'm sorry, go ahead, bro, I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say. I feel like in general, factions tend
Speaker 3: to align with self serving outcomes. So if largos are
Speaker 3: further down, there's not a relationship there, there's not as
Speaker 3: much of a strategic advantage there, and you have better
Speaker 3: ties to these people that were proximal, and it doesn't
Speaker 3: really so much concern you to have an immediate issue
Speaker 3: right next to your front door. You might go this way.
Speaker 3: You Haventennials and Serainios split off because you had a
Speaker 3: difference in priorities. Now they're at odds with one another,
Speaker 3: so you'll see splits, you'll see alignment. You see various
Speaker 3: odd bedfellows that throughout history that happened either in military
Speaker 3: and gangs, and various setups where you'd think there's not
Speaker 3: a lot of rationale for those two to work with
Speaker 3: one another or against one another, until you consider who
Speaker 3: the third party is that drives them either together or apart.
Speaker 1: So no siblings, no sentence podcasts. Fourth season coming to
Speaker 1: an end. I got my brother Peter Boss with me.
Speaker 1: I got my g homie, one of my wivesest homies,
Speaker 1: my boy Jobs from out of Detroit. This is a
Speaker 1: conversation that me and Jobs had when we first met
Speaker 1: where he didn't quite understand, you know how I would
Speaker 1: be okay with Mexican people from Los Angeles, some Mexican
Speaker 1: people from Los Angeles using the N word, And I
Speaker 1: thought today was the perfect day to have this conversation,
Speaker 1: even though it doesn't drop till next Tuesday, I mean
Speaker 1: or Tuesday when you hear this. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting because I saw an Instagram video where we
Speaker 1: started the podcast with it, but it was a Mexican
Speaker 1: brother and he was saying he didn't like that Mexican
Speaker 1: people use the N word. He felt it was more
Speaker 1: like a sellout of what's going on culturally for them.
Speaker 1: And he referenced the fact that you didn't see black
Speaker 1: people using essay and it made sense in my IG
Speaker 1: group chat with my homeboy ju my homeboy Manny, they immediated,
Speaker 1: they immediately validated it. Right now, Manny and Jau both
Speaker 1: are from Loan Beach. One is from the West side
Speaker 1: of Loan Beach, one is from the East side of
Speaker 1: Long Beach. Their relationship with Mexican people right, has been
Speaker 1: pretty turbulent the whole time, as far as especially the
Speaker 1: gang component Longos have. You know, for years been at
Speaker 1: war with Rolling Twenties and Insanees, the two gangs in
Speaker 1: Loan Beach and West Side Rolling Eighties, right, so like
Speaker 1: all of the gang West Coast crips, like they've been
Speaker 1: at war with all of these communities. So the way
Speaker 1: they see Mexican people in Loan Beach is different than
Speaker 1: we see Mexican people at Watts. Same thing with the sixties,
Speaker 1: the sixties or the Jungles or a Tray's when you
Speaker 1: go to the West side of south Central. They don't
Speaker 1: have the same relationship with Mexican people that we do
Speaker 1: on Watts, which goes into this same conversation that I know,
Speaker 1: we're tired of talking, you know, having and the word,
Speaker 1: we're tired of using culture right where culture is a
Speaker 1: very different thing depending on where you at, Like the
Speaker 1: culture of Watts. While it is a sub set culture
Speaker 1: because Watches in the city of Los Angeles, Watches a
Speaker 1: neighborhood in the city of Los Angeles, the culture just
Speaker 1: in that and that radius, what is it two miles peak,
Speaker 1: maybe a two mile radius, pushing it right, The culture
Speaker 1: there is completely different jobs than the rest of South Central.
Speaker 1: It's different than even Compton. It's different than Long Beach,
Speaker 1: it's different than Inglewood. It's to the point where where
Speaker 1: I'm from, if we were beefing with the another Mexican gang,
Speaker 1: the homies would help. That's what I grew up in.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't say, you know what, those guys are Mexicans,
Speaker 1: So we're not going to go to war with those guys.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go to war with them, like they know,
Speaker 1: like they anybody else. That's just the standard. That's just
Speaker 1: the standard job. So but that's the culture. We grew up,
Speaker 1: eating the same thing, talking the same way. I thought
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to have you here. When do you
Speaker 1: think the N word became a term of endearment the
Speaker 1: way we use it today? When did that start?
Speaker 2: You're talking about in general amongst black people?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I don't know. They had to be somewhere between.
Speaker 2: I mean just to guess, somewhere between the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3: Great, right, that's that's right, that's that was funny. I
Speaker 3: was sticking. I saw a video of Judge Mathis, the
Speaker 3: older judges, like, I think his early eighties from Memphis,
Speaker 3: and he kind of pinpointed it to around the sixties.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Do you know why you use the N word.
Speaker 2: Because culturally is accepted as a norm amongst amongst black
Speaker 2: folks as a endearment or you know, it has multiple layers,
Speaker 2: we'll put it that way, but generally speaking, but around
Speaker 2: not the original source I'm talking about, no folks.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but you think that's all of Detroit?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think that's where I think we get it
Speaker 1: wrong at right. It's like we keep thinking everybody black
Speaker 1: in America has the same cultural experience and we don't.
Speaker 2: There is not a neighborhood in this country. And I
Speaker 2: would argue probably around the world at this point, that
Speaker 2: it's predominantly black people where I can't go in there
Speaker 2: and be like whatever.
Speaker 1: And I know I know a few of them where
Speaker 1: you gotta tell me, bro, there's some here, there's some
Speaker 1: in the South, there's some on the East. Everybody is
Speaker 1: not into that word everybody black. And we had this
Speaker 1: conversation the last time, right, we had this conversation the
Speaker 1: last time, right that even what we lazily refer to
Speaker 1: as black culture lazily, right, that we lazily it's lazy,
Speaker 1: it's lazily lazy. That's not even the word lazily is
Speaker 1: it lazily referred to as black culture. That's a specific
Speaker 1: culture that's some black people have experienced. Even if it's
Speaker 1: most black people, it's not all black people. Like all
Speaker 1: black people in America didn't eat soul food, thanks, Right,
Speaker 1: So when we say soul food is black culture again,
Speaker 1: like I'll say it's American slave it's American slave food.
Speaker 1: It's a specific you know, life for certain black people
Speaker 1: in this country, just like hip hop is street urban culture,
Speaker 1: it's a specific culture of some black people in this country. So,
Speaker 1: you know, intellectually lazy, we just say it is black culture.
Speaker 1: But the reality is there are people in this country
Speaker 1: who don't eat soul food historically and don't use the
Speaker 1: vernacular and the terminology we use like that. So again,
Speaker 1: it's something that we've heard used our whole life, right
Speaker 1: that you remember the first person that called you the
Speaker 1: N word?
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're talking about like like in a derogatory manner.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, period, even as a term of endearment. No, okay,
Speaker 1: I remember my dad saying, what a little nigga? And
Speaker 1: I was four, But I remember what you mean.
Speaker 2: What I said, it is black culture. I don't mean
Speaker 2: that every single black person breathing, no, but I mean
Speaker 2: that the majority of black people, especially in this country,
Speaker 2: there are certain things that no matter where you go
Speaker 2: in this country, if you go into a black community,
Speaker 2: they're gonna know, Uh, maybe not now, but let's say
Speaker 2: in the eighties, they would know a hot clone instantly.
Speaker 2: You're gonna know that whether or not, especially whether or
Speaker 2: not you really use one or not. You know the
Speaker 2: smell and you know the purpose. You go anywhere in
Speaker 2: this country around black people, generally speaking, or you will
Speaker 2: have some Black people that I don't want to hear
Speaker 2: that word. Don't ever say it around me. It's just
Speaker 2: offensive no matter who says it. But generally speaking, you
Speaker 2: say nigga, most people are accepting of that. They may
Speaker 2: not be accepting of what you got on, they may
Speaker 2: not be accepting a lot of other shit. But if
Speaker 2: you be like, what's what's good, nigga, it's generally going
Speaker 2: to be accepted. So again, so you would agree that
Speaker 2: to black culture, it.
Speaker 3: Would be like the same as saying like, you can
Speaker 3: go in the same neighborhoods that God is good every
Speaker 3: day you might catch a Muslim. He's not going to
Speaker 3: be like, get the hell out of it, you know,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He understands what it is.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is you would agree it's a
Speaker 1: cultural movement. Yes, So when people that grow up with
Speaker 1: us their whole life, right, maybe not inside their house,
Speaker 1: but soon as they come outside, right soon as now,
Speaker 1: it's not everybody, just like it's not every brother, But
Speaker 1: there are some Mexican people that grow up with us
Speaker 1: their whole life, fight kill and die for us, just
Speaker 1: like we fight and kill and die for them right,
Speaker 1: they their home inside their home is not used, but
Speaker 1: they walk outside, that's what's being used. They go to school,
Speaker 1: that's what's being used. Now, I'm not making like a
Speaker 1: reason for everybody to use it. If you learned it
Speaker 1: from a rap song, you probably shouldn't be using it.
Speaker 1: But I also feel the same way as a brother.
Speaker 1: I shout out to my Haitian brother PG. We was
Speaker 1: having a conversation about hip hop. Go ahead, Pete, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say real quick. The conflict of that
Speaker 3: rationale is such that now it's like, okay, the foundational
Speaker 3: predicate of that term's existence is blank. And also it
Speaker 3: now goes to is it a because like growing up
Speaker 3: an Orange County around a lot of like the Mexicans,
Speaker 3: even Polynesians, Asians in the Bay Area, Asians and Mexicans
Speaker 3: outside of the city. Further, sure, you know it's perceived
Speaker 3: by a lot of those kind of third party groups
Speaker 3: as being as long as you're not white, whereas I
Speaker 3: could see where in the black community you can perceive
Speaker 3: it as more so, no, this is black pro black
Speaker 3: four black, not just not white. And I think that's
Speaker 3: how where that intersection rests.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily it should, but it's not because again I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you, and that goes.
Speaker 3: Back to the first part, the foundational predictor, to the
Speaker 3: existence of the word in the.
Speaker 1: Term facts facts. But but everybody in Los Angeles experience
Speaker 1: is not this one right, So again I'm not saying
Speaker 1: why jobs you should be okay with someone saying it
Speaker 1: to you. The question was posed to me, Why am
Speaker 1: I okay with it? And I'm telling people because my
Speaker 1: homeboys from one one seven would shoot, kill, and die
Speaker 1: for me, and they've been my niggas their whole life.
Speaker 1: And they've been my niggas they whole life.
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy, Yeah, you and your homeboys will
Speaker 2: go to prison and live two totally different existences.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it does happen a lot of times.
Speaker 2: Or not, But somehow Black folks always accepting of other
Speaker 2: people and giving them a special sauce.
Speaker 1: That's not a special sauce.
Speaker 2: It is to a lot of us.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if your food is that bad that that's
Speaker 1: a special sauce.
Speaker 2: Point zero zero zero zero zero zero. One of y'all
Speaker 2: who grew up next to Mexicans, y'all have a responsibility
Speaker 2: to also inform them that their acceptance is a neighborhood
Speaker 2: acceptance and not a universal acceptance.
Speaker 1: Are using that word, But that's the point. It's not
Speaker 1: nothing to inform them. If it was that much intellect,
Speaker 1: none of us would use the word. There was that much,
Speaker 1: you know, if it was that much care, none of
Speaker 1: us would use the word. We would all say, you
Speaker 1: know what, it makes no sense to use this word, right.
Speaker 1: But again, you asking a bunch of kids to have
Speaker 1: the intellect to say to a person, Hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: you my nigga, but you not they nigga. Well, we
Speaker 1: didn't even look at nigga like that period growing up.
Speaker 1: That was just how we talk. So again, it just
Speaker 1: depends on where you at now. Again, I'm not making
Speaker 1: any excuse to say why you should let a person
Speaker 1: call you nigga. That's your cross to bear and how
Speaker 1: you feel. How I feel about it is based on
Speaker 1: I'm giving you why I have homeboys that talk this
Speaker 1: way and why I don't give them shit for talking
Speaker 1: this way because this is how we talk. Another point,
Speaker 1: he says, there's no Mexican, there's no blacks that use essay. Yes,
Speaker 1: there is, there's a brother on the internet that's from
Speaker 1: a Percorma, a Mexican gang. He says, essay all the time.
Speaker 1: My older homie Poppy from seven Ozer uses essay, all
Speaker 1: the time, I got a homeboy named tom What they
Speaker 1: called Tommy? I forgot they called Tommy from Largo, he uses, essay,
Speaker 1: they talk like the culture that they grew up in.
Speaker 3: I see that guys would say that who were black
Speaker 3: in Arizona to the Nextican guys around the way all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, it's people that talk just like that culture, right,
Speaker 1: jobs just like that culture. They were raised in, that culture.
Speaker 1: They talked just like the culture that they were raised in.
Speaker 1: So it's just weird that people say that these things like,
Speaker 1: it's not these are not this is not a racial term.
Speaker 1: We have a racial connection to the word, but it's
Speaker 1: not a racial term, right, It's a it's a cultural
Speaker 1: term that we grew up with our whole life.
Speaker 2: Well like.
Speaker 3: And brought them like on a broader scale than that.
Speaker 3: That's to a degree a first have local introduction principle
Speaker 3: versus like, there's neighbor places I've personally been firsthand where
Speaker 3: I'm like, all you guys saying this every other word
Speaker 3: in your sentences, and I know for a fact that
Speaker 3: none of you have a tie to the community like
Speaker 3: that at all. You just happen to live in an
Speaker 3: ecosystem that doesn't happen to have black people, and you
Speaker 3: happen to also not be white either, because I've seen
Speaker 3: that plenty, like plenty plenty man.
Speaker 2: Certain niggas then gave Mexicans a pass, and a niggas
Speaker 2: ain't own discipline in them the Mexicans to tell you,
Speaker 2: you might get fucked up if you say that shit
Speaker 2: in x Y community, just like there are certain things.
Speaker 2: If I go into a Mexican dominated community and a
Speaker 2: Mexican homeboy has brought me into that community, what he's
Speaker 2: going to do is he's going to say, don't say this,
Speaker 2: don't do that, don't do this, because you're fuck not
Speaker 2: only you up, but me too, because I watch you
Speaker 2: into this community. Black people should be held to a
Speaker 2: certain responsibility when they when they I don't care who
Speaker 2: you grew up around, but if you're dealing in our culture,
Speaker 2: which it clearly is, and there's ours, but again to
Speaker 2: police that our limited all the job.
Speaker 1: When you're saying our culture, I keep telling you it's
Speaker 1: not our culture. And it's only some of our culture.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you wrong. No, no, it's our nigga is
Speaker 1: our culture black? Oh no, no, no, no, no, that's a
Speaker 1: certain population's culture. No, it's not black people and every
Speaker 1: black person allowed other every black to use it. They're
Speaker 1: not communities, jobs that they're They're just people in America.
Speaker 1: It's Look, there's there's no specific aren't there are.
Speaker 3: Either they are or they aren't. So if they aren't
Speaker 3: or they are.
Speaker 1: I backed it up to the beginning when I said this, right,
Speaker 1: what we keep calling soul food as black culture, right,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's American slave culture. Every black person didn't
Speaker 1: not How is that not one and the same because
Speaker 1: they're not, because there are others. Because you're gonna have
Speaker 1: those few people. Yeah, you're gonna have that that I'll
Speaker 1: give you. But I'm saying you're gonna have white field
Speaker 1: slavers like field hands that experienced the same culture and
Speaker 1: grew up cooking the same way.
Speaker 2: The leaf of the tree is still belongs to the tree.
Speaker 1: But but but it's all the tree.
Speaker 2: I agree with that part. So what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: is that like slave food at the time, with slave food,
Speaker 2: but it evolved into soul food, which which along the
Speaker 2: way is still all our culture.
Speaker 1: But you keep saying our that's the problem. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying when we try to make it as
Speaker 1: if this is the experience. Again, I'm not giving jobs.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you should let nobody call you the
Speaker 1: inn word, that you don't want to call you the
Speaker 1: in word. Let's start right there, anybody listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1: I am not giving people who you don't want to
Speaker 1: call the in word to call you the in word.
Speaker 1: But that's not what I'm doing. You are, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm telling you how things work in this culture,
Speaker 1: but in this street urban.
Speaker 2: Culture, because there's a past somewhere.
Speaker 1: Which is otherwhere. It's not a subsidiary. That's the point.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: It's not. You are part of the black community, whether you.
Speaker 1: There is no there is no black there is no
Speaker 1: black community. I keep telling y'all that's just a lazy
Speaker 1: the way to keep trying to identify, and that's why
Speaker 1: y'all keep running into the same brick walls.
Speaker 2: The truth.
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: There are certain things that I can go. I can
Speaker 2: go from here to Memphis and that may sound different
Speaker 2: than them, I may dress different than them, but there
Speaker 2: are just certain commonalities that we will share.
Speaker 1: I'm not listen, I'm not disagreeing, but that's an American thing.
Speaker 1: It is not it is Connecticut and I go to
Speaker 1: If you go to the same Connecticut ghetto, if you
Speaker 1: go to any Connecticut ghetto, it's the same experience. It's
Speaker 1: not just black.
Speaker 2: Listen, if it's American, I could go to any community
Speaker 2: in the country.
Speaker 1: I would have more in common with our capone than
Speaker 1: a person who grew up in black in America as
Speaker 1: a black person right, who wasn't the descendant of a slave.
Speaker 1: I have more in common with our capone than Barack Obama.
Speaker 1: We me and Barack Obama can share the same experience,
Speaker 1: but culturally, I'm going to relate to the street urban
Speaker 1: person more. I'm not saying it's okay. I don't think
Speaker 1: nobody should call you the inn word that you don't
Speaker 1: want to call you did work that I genuinely think that.
Speaker 1: I don't think somebody who you don't want to call
Speaker 1: you didn't work should call you in word. I agree
Speaker 1: with you jobs, but you're asking me why it's okay
Speaker 1: with me? Until the guy's point on Instagram. He's saying this,
Speaker 1: these are not true because the word is a cultural thing.
Speaker 1: There is no black community. There is what we call
Speaker 1: Black America, and it's not a monolithm huh.
Speaker 2: It's not a monolith.
Speaker 1: But so then that means it's not a community or
Speaker 1: it's not a culture, because a cultural is a monolithic thing.
Speaker 2: A wave has pieces of water that don't go with it.
Speaker 1: That means it's not part of the wave. That means
Speaker 1: it's water.
Speaker 2: Wave is carrying the ocean at that moment.
Speaker 1: No, it's carrying a specific part, like a wave is not.
Speaker 2: A specific part of the ocean. Yes, my point is
Speaker 2: black people are the waves. No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Black people are not the wave. No no, no, black
Speaker 1: people are not the waves.
Speaker 2: There are some black people that are not a part
Speaker 2: of the great wave that you see. There are little
Speaker 2: trinkles of water that go opposite exactly.
Speaker 1: So again I agree with you, though black people are
Speaker 1: the ocean, the wave is different things jobs.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll even give you that. It's why advanced majority
Speaker 2: of us that subscribe cultural norms.
Speaker 1: But but again that cultural is rooted in specific, monolithic behavior.
Speaker 1: Black America is not the same now culturally, when you
Speaker 1: go to ghettos they are, they do become the same
Speaker 1: if they come to the descendative slaves. That's the connection.
Speaker 1: That's why I keep referencing hip hop as street urban
Speaker 1: culture personified through the arts and elements, not black culture,
Speaker 1: because black culture can be jazz. Black culture is a
Speaker 1: million it was rock and roll, so again, we've created
Speaker 1: different arts. But hip hop is specific. And that's why
Speaker 1: somebody like Fat Joe, people don't understand why he's hip
Speaker 1: hop and you could see he's not black.
Speaker 3: Sure, but there's still different buckets, and you have stakeholdership
Speaker 3: in different buckets, and identifying which bucket different things belonging
Speaker 3: is kind of the theme of this discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is.
Speaker 3: The N word didn't start in inner cities in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: No, But I'm not saying where the N word started, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not debating it's in set. Its inception was at
Speaker 1: the hands of some really raggedy people that that own slaves.
Speaker 1: How it became what it is now is different. The
Speaker 1: N word is a street term, it's not a standard
Speaker 1: Black American term. Soul food is not a standard Black
Speaker 1: American cuisine. It's a specific community inside of this ocean.
Speaker 3: Ponderant community within within that community you. So, I would
Speaker 3: argue it is it is a preponderant like portion of
Speaker 3: that group of people. It's representative of such a substantial
Speaker 3: percentage that it defines the fabric in total exactly.
Speaker 1: But but but I'm telling you, it doesn't define the
Speaker 1: the that's the problem. It doesn't define the fabric in total.
Speaker 1: It does. It's not.
Speaker 2: With every community. Like if I say she's a Karen,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. She knows what I mean.
Speaker 2: Both communities are familiar with that term. It has been
Speaker 2: used to describe a hostile negative and salt a hostile neighbor. Okay,
Speaker 2: you got that, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Yes, well look at it this way. Even like in
Speaker 3: the Italian community where you have like cost and Ulster
Speaker 3: and stuff like. Not all Italians are part of that,
Speaker 3: but they're all part of Italians. So not if Italian
Speaker 3: does things in a mafia way, but most of the
Speaker 3: things that mafia people do are rooted in the Italian
Speaker 3: way of doing things, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing. But Italy is a land. So again,
Speaker 1: what I'm telling Job, what I'm telling Jobs is what
Speaker 1: I'm telling Jobs is he would have to concede the
Speaker 1: term black and make it a American culture, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do that.
Speaker 3: I think I think American is implied and priced into
Speaker 3: black in this context because it's in an American space
Speaker 3: of discussion.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you why it's not because somebody
Speaker 1: like Jobs would be okay for African or Jamaican person
Speaker 1: said it, and they don't grow up culturally the same.
Speaker 1: And he said that to me.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe I used to miss somehow.
Speaker 1: You told me there were some people who grew up
Speaker 1: in Detroit that were not the descendantive slave that came
Speaker 1: over here, not by choice, okay, and using the N
Speaker 1: word because they grew up with y'all, and you said
Speaker 1: it was okay because if they were of African descent.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's not like a, yeah, that's one of
Speaker 2: those gray areas. However, I'm don't think that anybody that
Speaker 2: is not of African descent should even remotely be like,
Speaker 2: first off, what person is, why do you want you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be allowed to use it? See that's the poor community.
Speaker 2: The people older than you should have policed that ship
Speaker 2: from the ground up so that we not even we
Speaker 2: would not even be here.
Speaker 1: The police would have been not to use it.
Speaker 2: Whatever the case, when you choose how you want to
Speaker 2: do it in your community.
Speaker 3: This is an extraordinarily excruciatingly abstract hypothetical. So just play around.
Speaker 3: If a person from an African country moved to the
Speaker 3: United States just laced with cash that he can't that was,
Speaker 3: you know, just layered of equity returns and stuff from
Speaker 3: the sale of human capital, to put it gently, of
Speaker 3: which the Black American community is largely a product. Would
Speaker 3: you be bothered by that individual?
Speaker 2: Probably, And because it's not being being it's being misused.
Speaker 2: Curious I kind of envisioned that particular person because they're
Speaker 2: selling black people from this country, like, like, let's make
Speaker 2: no mistake about it. I appreciate and I respect our origins,
Speaker 2: but the black people in this country specifically have had
Speaker 2: an experience unlike black people across this planet. So there's
Speaker 2: always going to be some nuances even with some of
Speaker 2: our brothers and sisters from the motherland, where they may
Speaker 2: view our existence here in one way and us being
Speaker 2: from here, see it from the way that it is,
Speaker 2: and there may be a disconnect. So there may be
Speaker 2: if you're doing some funck shit like like you're talking
Speaker 2: about you come here and selling our people here. I
Speaker 2: got I don't care what you look like.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. But back to the point of
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that means it's not cultural, and then
Speaker 1: it becomes a term of emotion of how do you
Speaker 1: want to police the word and who should be entitled
Speaker 1: to it. The one thing that I respect that that
Speaker 1: that I am okay with this is I know exactly
Speaker 1: why I do what I do. There is no emotion.
Speaker 1: It's a consistent thing.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Right. Culturally, I understand why my Mexican partners talk the
Speaker 1: way they talk, not saying they should talk to you
Speaker 1: that way. It's not my point. I'm you're saying, they
Speaker 1: asked me, why did they talk to me? Because they
Speaker 1: my niggas. That's why they talk to me this way.
Speaker 1: They're my guys. These are my guys. You and Detroit
Speaker 1: are not my guy until I come to Detroit. These
Speaker 1: are my guys that I grew up with and we
Speaker 1: went through everything together. Then there is a there is
Speaker 1: an ethnic background where our ancestors did it together.
Speaker 2: We're talking about black people or black people and Mexican people.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so my Mexican homeboys, minds now, I don't
Speaker 1: know about the rest of everybody in La or anywhere else.
Speaker 1: I don't quite know about everybody else Puerto Rican homeboys
Speaker 1: or everybody Cuban homeboys or none of that. I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. I'm saying my Mexican homeboys from my
Speaker 1: hood and the guys I grew up with, this is
Speaker 1: how they are. They wouldn't give a Mexican anything extra.
Speaker 1: If we had a problem, they gonna smash on them.
Speaker 1: I used to play basketball. Shout out to my homeboy Mondo. Right,
Speaker 1: we used to hoop. We used to go hoop and
Speaker 1: cut hay and Bill Gardens cut ahead. Bill Gardens don't
Speaker 1: really have a lot of black people there. It's a really,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty like dominantly Mexican place.
Speaker 3: So you went there to try to try to win
Speaker 3: some pickup.
Speaker 1: It was always Mindo's idea.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, it was always you went Winsdo you
Speaker 3: want to be understand.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be That wouldn't be where I'm going to
Speaker 1: hoop at. I wouldn't go to hoop because mineus the
Speaker 1: easy games. But they kind of really you know, they
Speaker 1: be tripping a brother, They trip on brothers over there.
Speaker 1: But this is where my homie would want to go hoop. Why.
Speaker 1: I'll get him on the phone one day and I
Speaker 1: asked mind, I'd be like, why did you used to
Speaker 1: want to go hoop over there? Because we could have
Speaker 1: went to Mona Park, we could have went to anywhere,
Speaker 1: but he wanted to go there. Points well, he was nice,
Speaker 1: he could score on everybody. He had game. He might
Speaker 1: have been the nicest Mexican hooper. Ever, this is what
Speaker 1: he grew up with us, right, So he grew up
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 3: It's a game till somebody gets a personal any.
Speaker 1: Way, we used to go play and we were always
Speaker 1: getting to a fight, and he always fighting with somebody
Speaker 1: because they being racist to us like it, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not like you know, fing Rapper.
Speaker 2: You're really not making your point, glasses.
Speaker 1: I'm not making any point. I'm not making any point.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you is, my guys are my
Speaker 1: guys minus race.
Speaker 2: Okay, And let's say you and your guys decide y'all
Speaker 2: gonna fly here and checking out. You are responsible for
Speaker 2: their tongues.
Speaker 1: No, they're not gonna talk to you because you not
Speaker 1: they nigga.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just telling you. What I'm saying is
Speaker 2: is that you're responsible for their tongues. You at some
Speaker 2: point should have disciplined them niggas before they got on
Speaker 2: the plane.
Speaker 1: Disciplined. I'm not disciplined enough. But why would I discipline
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, maybe the terminology was wrong. You should have
Speaker 2: informed them, schooled them, letting them learn them up. Whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck you want to say, tell them niggas that
Speaker 2: that niggas shit is good. Back and watch it's not
Speaker 2: good here. You're about to get us all fucked up
Speaker 2: if you say that. Ship. I don't know about that point. Theoretically,
Speaker 2: if you're in my hometown, it's you and three other essays.
Speaker 2: I'm saying essays because I'm I'm assuming that what they
Speaker 2: call each other in the beginning, I.
Speaker 1: Don't call each other essays.
Speaker 2: Okay, well again, whatever, you get my point, because.
Speaker 3: That's the word that the guy referenced to the video
Speaker 3: that from the topic.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Pete. It's you and three Mexican dudes.
Speaker 2: Y'all fly to where to Detroit, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: you know how I get down, you know how we
Speaker 2: are here.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: Let these niggas know. If that does not occur, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a problem. Now we might get beat up
Speaker 2: by your phone niggas, all thirty of us.
Speaker 1: It's possible.
Speaker 2: However, the odds are you and your three homeboys gonna
Speaker 2: take an l that night all because you didn't score them.
Speaker 2: Niggas on this ain't our part of the world. Everybody
Speaker 2: is not. It's like the ship that go in fact,
Speaker 2: Joe is going through. It's niggas in the Bronx or
Speaker 2: wherever the fuck you grew up at that love that nigga,
Speaker 2: that squear about that nigga, that fought with this nigga
Speaker 2: and don't care what comes out of his fucking mouth.
Speaker 2: But they didn't love that nigga enough to tell him that.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of niggas on this planet that don't
Speaker 2: agree with me.
Speaker 1: We don't give a fuck about that. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Jobs? But you shouldn't there jobs if we
Speaker 1: was that d.
Speaker 2: To the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: But just think intellectually, if we were that deep into
Speaker 1: the word, we wouldn't use the word.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not disagreeing with that, but I'm talking about
Speaker 2: what is. There's what should be is what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: and what actually is. What actually is is that we
Speaker 2: use it and we got rules to it.
Speaker 1: But but that's what I'm saying. They have those those rules,
Speaker 1: and then there's these rules, and there's a hierarchy of rules.
Speaker 1: But but the hierarchy of rules is enforced based off
Speaker 1: who's enforcing the rules.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And what I'm saying is, look, I'm not a
Speaker 2: white home boy and I allow this white dude to
Speaker 2: say nigga.
Speaker 1: It's white dudes.
Speaker 2: I say nigga in Chicago, I'm certain, and.
Speaker 1: You know one of them. You heard of one of them.
Speaker 1: I'm one of the pimps homeboys.
Speaker 2: I'm certain there is. But that motherfucker is also aware
Speaker 2: that if he goes to Gary, Indiana, and he's standing
Speaker 2: he at the grocery store, and he at the corner
Speaker 2: the store saying nigga is probably not conducive to his
Speaker 2: survival rates.
Speaker 1: He has to figure that out himself.
Speaker 2: He doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't what am I supposed to tell you
Speaker 1: about Gary, Indiana?
Speaker 2: Yes, nigga, We're going to Gary don't say nigga.
Speaker 1: This gon' this, This might surprise you, This might surprise you,
Speaker 1: This might surprise you. Y'all, Nick I didn't know about
Speaker 1: Gary Indiana being black. Why they hear what a person
Speaker 1: from watching Compton know Gary?
Speaker 3: He's from Chicago. First of Chicago would know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from Detroit.
Speaker 3: But the white gentleman in reference here is from Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he would absolutely know about Gary Indiana.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I can't speak for the rest
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. Matter of fact, I keep telling you
Speaker 1: it's certain places in Los Angeles that don't have that
Speaker 1: relationship with Mexican people. There are people from all over LA.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. So your Vexican brothers, how
Speaker 2: do they know which which neighborhood it's okay to say
Speaker 2: nigga and which neighborhoods is not? In LA?
Speaker 1: We don't try. So this is the thing about poverty.
Speaker 1: We don't really go to many places.
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm asking you.
Speaker 1: I'm helping you. Listen to what I'm saying. So this
Speaker 1: is how is in Watts. So it wouldn't take anybody
Speaker 1: by storm in Watts. Nobody in Watts would take this
Speaker 1: by storm. Nobody would be like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: Mexican person said, nikka, okay.
Speaker 2: But there are other areas in Los Angeles that that
Speaker 2: would be a problem.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't go to those places into But it matters, right,
Speaker 1: It matters because you're asking me how they don't they notice,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you because they wouldn't go there to know,
Speaker 1: they don't have why.
Speaker 3: It would be more of a problems because those places
Speaker 3: are probably more insularly black, so they and the fact
Speaker 3: that Mexicans don't have a reason to go there is
Speaker 3: why there's less say acceptance, so to speak, or leeway
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 1: Yes, even even though even those communities are changing every day,
Speaker 1: even the West side of Los Angeles is kind of
Speaker 1: more people.
Speaker 3: Years ago.
Speaker 2: But there's some areas where you can ask pretty much
Speaker 2: any Mexican in Los Angeles don't go over there to
Speaker 2: straight up niggas over there. They may say, they may
Speaker 2: not go over here and say nigga, but like those
Speaker 2: niggas over here is too niggerish or whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: they're gonna say. But they know, and if they happen
Speaker 2: to wake up on the middle of the street somewhere
Speaker 2: in Niggaville. They know they're not gonna get up and
Speaker 2: be like this nigga is this nigga that because they're
Speaker 2: gonna get their head pounded. I don't know who tells them.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a fairy nigga mother. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 2: somebody informs them at some point in their life that
Speaker 2: there's certain areas in your community that you shouldn't say
Speaker 2: certain things. And all I'm saying is is it's your
Speaker 2: home boy, no matter where you're going outside of your area,
Speaker 2: you should at least give them the wisdom that not
Speaker 2: every black community is accepting as we are.
Speaker 1: I'm not listen, that's not reverse.
Speaker 3: I think it's more so. Yeah, no, not to say
Speaker 3: that first, and then you're giving a passive, limited jurisdiction
Speaker 3: for an exception.
Speaker 1: I don't that's not true because you grow up using
Speaker 1: the term yeah, so you don't know it's yeah.
Speaker 2: You feel like you've that that individual I'm assuming would
Speaker 2: feel like this is the way the world is, this
Speaker 2: is a norm until they find out it's not. And
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is the people in your community that
Speaker 2: know it's not should tell you so if they love you,
Speaker 2: if you really love me when I when you know
Speaker 2: I'm going elsewhere and there's some game you can give
Speaker 2: me on survival in elsewhere, whether it has anything to
Speaker 2: do with saying nigga or not. Like when I came
Speaker 2: to Cleveland, the first thing they told me, don't go
Speaker 2: to little Italy, don't do this, don't do that. These
Speaker 2: areas that you you know that we typically stay away from,
Speaker 2: or this is how you just the politics over here,
Speaker 2: they give you a breakdown. What I'm saying is not
Speaker 2: most are most black people are not comfortable of any
Speaker 2: non black person in word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you're saying most, I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: I think that's where black people are predominantly at. But
Speaker 1: obviously this is the conversation that you haven't. Look again,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to create a past for people Mexican
Speaker 1: people to go to Detroit and you to be comfortable
Speaker 1: with you calling them in work. That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is what makes California, Texas, and
Speaker 1: New York different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, because I've never
Speaker 2: had this conversation with anybody.
Speaker 1: Accept people accept people from New York, California and Texas.
Speaker 2: Curious, Pete, you don't have you don't have let you say,
Speaker 2: a horse in this race.
Speaker 3: This is probably true.
Speaker 1: I don't have a horse.
Speaker 3: I'm just running away. What was that thing that the
Speaker 3: jockeys hit the horses with. I'm just running away with
Speaker 3: a paddle near barefoot?
Speaker 2: Is there an adequate comparison? Are you white, Pete?
Speaker 3: Are I'm white?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is there adequate comparison in the white community?
Speaker 3: There is a adequate narrow comparison that includes a small
Speaker 3: portion of the white community, but includes a lot of
Speaker 3: other communities also in which there's a comparison to this
Speaker 3: that happens to be letter abriate, deviated and in general,
Speaker 3: but as far as specifically white.
Speaker 1: No nobody else, in no other part of the world
Speaker 1: has this.
Speaker 3: That is trying to turn another word into.
Speaker 1: That, because they would need to make first off, they
Speaker 1: would have to have a racial slur that somebody labeled.
Speaker 1: They would have to label it, right, They would have
Speaker 1: to label them that right whatever.
Speaker 3: Apparently, Yeah, I think what I was referring to, but
Speaker 3: I wasn't referring to. I was referring to, but not
Speaker 3: referring to it. Refriend but not referring to it.
Speaker 1: No, Listen again, what I'm saying, I'm trying to clarify
Speaker 1: the conversation. The conversation is why is it happening to me?
Speaker 1: Not why should happened to you jobs or anybody else
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles or anybody else listen to this podcast.
Speaker 1: If you don't want somebody to call it in word,
Speaker 1: that's You're right. I am not upset with you saying that.
Speaker 1: But when you're saying, too glasses, why is it? This
Speaker 1: is why? Now, if you're saying if we went to Detroit,
Speaker 1: and if I went, if I took a homie to Detroit,
Speaker 1: and sure I could say, hey, man, don't say the
Speaker 1: word because these niggas you ain't, they ain't your niggas. Whatever. Fine,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that's not the problem. That's not what's
Speaker 1: happening in Detroit. People not Mexican people not moving to
Speaker 1: the hood of Detroit and calling other brothers the N word.
Speaker 1: This is not the standard. But again, like if we're
Speaker 1: talking about somebody like fat Joe, if you're asking why,
Speaker 1: this is why, this is why they didn't they did
Speaker 1: that wasn't even true. That's a fake video. They didn't
Speaker 1: Fat Joe been made millions of dollars off this. You
Speaker 1: gotta come to some conclusion. Oh nigga boom boom, nigga
Speaker 1: ship addy boo.
Speaker 3: Boo Joe.
Speaker 1: But again, Texas, California, in New York we grow it
Speaker 1: like and and you actually said it. But again, even
Speaker 1: if you say you okay with somebody of would you
Speaker 1: be okay if a Jamaican person called you that, my nigga, I.
Speaker 2: Would definitely be way more okay than the Mexican person.
Speaker 1: And see that and to me that where that's where
Speaker 1: that's what this is where the point loses its footing.
Speaker 1: It does so again, so that's what I'm saying, how
Speaker 1: could you judge me?
Speaker 3: And that's like with the fact Joe and people in
Speaker 3: New York like Joe right wrong or indifferent, has stated
Speaker 3: that being Puerto Rican, he considers that to be Afro Caribbean.
Speaker 3: So whether he to what degree he's any Afro or
Speaker 3: Caribbean in that like you know, like there's a big
Speaker 3: differs between Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Dominican Republican.
Speaker 2: That's the time you're saying fat Joe, he's.
Speaker 3: But he says Puerto Ricans are of of that background
Speaker 3: he has like he has said that I'm not agreeing.
Speaker 1: Or disagreeing, and that was he raisedst to say daiki
Speaker 1: like all African people were d sheiki. It's a kind
Speaker 1: of damn jobs.
Speaker 2: But prejudice.
Speaker 3: He perceives himself as being an eighth black or something
Speaker 3: like that, and that's why he thinks that he's saying
Speaker 3: that versus he just thinks I'm purely Latino.
Speaker 1: And it's fat Joe said, because he grew up saying
Speaker 1: in his whole life, and he's been people's in word
Speaker 1: his whole life.
Speaker 3: I get that, but he's all He's also said he
Speaker 3: thinks that Puerto Ricans are under that umbrella.
Speaker 2: Yes, a joke, trying to nigga his niggas, just like
Speaker 2: in fact, Joe, I'm you niggas, so it don't count
Speaker 2: when I.
Speaker 1: Say it based off your standards. It's true. But again
Speaker 1: with that, but see, my problem jobs is because you're
Speaker 1: judging how somebody looks.
Speaker 2: Okay, I am, I'm judging a lot of motherfuckers. That's
Speaker 2: that's what the problem. So fucking what, I'm American. That's
Speaker 2: what we do best. You know, we have no idea.
Speaker 3: You know what presum asked questions.
Speaker 2: But my point is, would you say that the majority
Speaker 2: of Southern American communities have a favorable, loving, glowing opinion
Speaker 2: of black people.
Speaker 1: I will see him.
Speaker 3: The overwhelming Southern American communities are black people.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, if that's you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: know you know what I'm saying. Like they don't get
Speaker 2: from from my experience, not all of them. I've made
Speaker 2: some wonderful people. But generally speaking, if a young lady
Speaker 2: from some country in South America brings me home, her
Speaker 2: family is automatically speaking in Spanish and probably not favorable.
Speaker 3: Oh, like the continent of South America. Yes, I like
Speaker 3: the southern part of the US.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I mean the Latina.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 2: Global spear, whatever you want to say, is not a
Speaker 2: fan of black people in general, not everybody, but in general.
Speaker 2: That depends kind of like.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know the dynamics of Puerto Rico. That
Speaker 3: is extremely true in Cuba, very very very much less
Speaker 3: true in the d R. And I think it depends
Speaker 3: on what like very true in Argentina, spotty in Brazil.
Speaker 3: I think that really is a lot more localized.
Speaker 2: I think it matters where they are here. If they
Speaker 2: happen to live in the project with a bunch of niggas,
Speaker 2: they don't have them.
Speaker 1: You can't you know what, you know what job? You
Speaker 1: can't You can't even have this conversation because you don't
Speaker 1: know enough. You have to ask me my expertise. This
Speaker 1: is my expertise. I just thought about that. Hold up jobs.
Speaker 1: Y'all don't even have Mexican friends. I don't even go
Speaker 1: a Mexican people, No, I do not. So let me
Speaker 1: tell you that is why I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: hold up. So, so let me speak on behalf of
Speaker 1: that dynamic. Let me let me have it. That's not true.
Speaker 1: Tell us listen sometimes, but you're speaking of behalf of Mexicans. No,
Speaker 1: I don't speak toolo. Mexican people are not all tolos,
Speaker 1: your pieces of racist prejudice biggots. Every Mexican person is
Speaker 1: not a solo like every is not.
Speaker 3: I referring back to the original video. It's propped to
Speaker 3: this video, asshole.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're asking me, if you're asking me,
Speaker 1: if you asking me, are Mexican people prejudice? And in
Speaker 1: the southern part of this country, most Mexican people are
Speaker 1: come into contact with are not prejudice. That's a fact.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been through all every Southern state.
Speaker 2: I'm not I didn't want first off, when I said
Speaker 2: southern South America, let me clarify that. However, apparently from
Speaker 2: from your own words, your relationship with the Mexican Mexican
Speaker 2: community is more personalized because the community that you grew
Speaker 2: up in is intermingled every black girls up together. That's
Speaker 2: going to give you a whole different ball game. It's
Speaker 2: going to give you a vision of you that most
Speaker 2: of us don't see. And that's the problem in New
Speaker 2: York in Texas is that you have a lot of
Speaker 2: communities that come up from kids and they don't see
Speaker 2: the world the way the rest of us sees it,
Speaker 2: and they're in life problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you keep you see the world and this
Speaker 1: is it's not this is our whole world. Your world
Speaker 1: is not. Your world is not more of a world
Speaker 1: than minds.
Speaker 2: It absolutely is. How because there are more black people
Speaker 2: that live near black people than there are more that
Speaker 2: than there are of black people who live near Mexican people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at that point, at that point, you don't
Speaker 1: have a real relationship to know the dynamics, get right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like California. We have more black
Speaker 1: people in California than Michigan. You know that probably we
Speaker 1: have fifty million people, so we probably have more black people.
Speaker 1: We have more black people in Los Angeles. Listen, we
Speaker 1: have more black people in Los Angeles than they have
Speaker 1: in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the math that I did.
Speaker 3: The amount of black people in southern California, this is
Speaker 3: like as a ten years ago was equal to the
Speaker 3: amount of black people in the Tri County in South Florida.
Speaker 3: I had to happen.
Speaker 1: But and I think the number of black people in
Speaker 1: Atlanta is just south of three hundred thousand, when the
Speaker 1: number of black people in Los Angeles is somewhere close
Speaker 1: to four hundred.
Speaker 2: Thousand, And you definitely probably got more black people.
Speaker 1: It just happened to be as four or five million people.
Speaker 1: It's like four or five million people in LA. So
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is again to read to to restart
Speaker 1: the pod to everybody listening.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna throw that number out there, you have
Speaker 2: to be specific to the community you're talking about. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the black people that grew up next to
Speaker 2: Mexican people, which is not four hundred thousand people.
Speaker 1: No, no, No, it's hard, but I'm saying, but that's
Speaker 1: what culture is. Culture is not the jest of it.
Speaker 1: It's going to make this specific.
Speaker 2: Are there Are there Hispanic And I don't know I'm
Speaker 2: blaming in Mexican. I'm just this is ship I heard
Speaker 2: off the internet.
Speaker 1: This is going to be good, So I need to
Speaker 1: know it's going to be great. Go ahead and tell me.
Speaker 2: Are there Hispanics taking over physically removing black people out
Speaker 2: of communities and taking over those communities.
Speaker 3: No, that's a very commonist nomer. You can't commandeer someone
Speaker 3: else's apartment. So, like you say, like like you hear
Speaker 3: phrases like now that Mexicans have taken over like South
Speaker 3: Central or the east side of South Central. That's because
Speaker 3: a lot of people from those regions moved to the
Speaker 3: Inland Empire and the high desert and created vacancies, and
Speaker 3: they moved into those vacancies.
Speaker 2: Yes, damn, you've been to prison.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm from the area.
Speaker 1: He's from Orange County.
Speaker 2: I talked to I interviewed the guy that did like
Speaker 2: twenty something years in the joint and I swear you
Speaker 2: guys sounds just alike. Man, as far as it's just
Speaker 2: the end the empire. He was the only other person
Speaker 2: I'm known to say that ship.
Speaker 3: That's a very common term, and are part of the
Speaker 3: country that defines kind of everything east of the fifty
Speaker 3: seven Freeway.
Speaker 2: So they made up some ship in prison that extrapolated
Speaker 2: to the to the to the population.
Speaker 3: No, they didn't make that up in prison.
Speaker 2: They didn't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, they referred to those riverside San Bardino Counties in
Speaker 3: the eastern part of La County. Is that for a
Speaker 3: long long time?
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think again, Jobs, I'm not saying, and
Speaker 1: you should be okay with the Mexican person a friend
Speaker 1: of yours calling you the N word, how you are
Speaker 1: with your friends, I get it. I'm just expressing why
Speaker 1: I am the way I am with my friends, with
Speaker 1: my childhood friends.
Speaker 2: Or unfortunately I don't have any Mexican friends.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you don't even got nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1: This ain't even your problem. Have you ever met a
Speaker 1: Mexican person who's like my nigga jobs?
Speaker 2: No, we're not talking that long.
Speaker 1: See, so you don't even know, the wondrous relationship that
Speaker 1: we share with American with Mexican people in America, like
Speaker 1: it's a fly relationship. Now, that's not everybody in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's everybody. People fall out, they get
Speaker 1: into it over dope. I could just go down and
Speaker 1: listen shit that people fall out over. But again, particularly
Speaker 1: where I grew up at, right, that's the relationship.
Speaker 2: Out the LA.
Speaker 1: No, you would be actually surprised. You probably you probably
Speaker 1: meet a Mexican woman and to change your life, I'm running.
Speaker 2: No, you would be.
Speaker 1: Running to her house. I'm just telling you the truth.
Speaker 1: You'd be probably running to you be like, damn, guys,
Speaker 1: I've been missing out. You don't believe it. Jobs, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, it's a fact. Like I get it. I
Speaker 1: see all the I see all of the trash on
Speaker 1: the internet. I see all the trash in it. Oh
Speaker 1: you know they fighting, Yes, there are some independent gangs
Speaker 1: that fight with Mexican gangs. But again, you can go
Speaker 1: to East LA. There's not a black gang in sight,
Speaker 1: and they fight all the time. There don't have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with nobody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. I mean, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that I would really want a
Speaker 2: woman like from from the West Coast. You just I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: You would love it. Jobs if you had a Mexican woman,
Speaker 1: you you would, you would be so head over heels, bro,
Speaker 1: trust me, it's it's it's why all the Midwest brothers
Speaker 1: come out here and get with Mexican girl. Don't make
Speaker 1: me go. Now, that's a list of people I know
Speaker 1: because you never met this type of love and devotion.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the sisters this Nika, that's why you're
Speaker 1: gonna stay in the Midwest right here. I respect you. Yes,
Speaker 1: you don't want that type of love, I understand. But
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is what I'm saying. No, for real,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. This conversation has been going and it
Speaker 1: just hit me that we never had it, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to have it. I want to shed She will
Speaker 1: blow your mind, heart attack, heart attack, and cook for
Speaker 1: you once you laid out there having.
Speaker 3: Heard she's a Levenese Mexican, right.
Speaker 1: She like another extra thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like from the same place, like Carlos Slimmers
Speaker 3: from what movie was that old boy? That's coo. I
Speaker 3: gotta assume that.
Speaker 2: I see that meme that oh boy, he cast her
Speaker 2: in that part and they put himself.
Speaker 3: Oh there was the other one else dollars.
Speaker 1: So no, so no, So I'm not saying I'm not
Speaker 1: justifying it. This is not the conversation ship Mexican people
Speaker 1: be entitled to the N word. This is a conversation
Speaker 1: about Mexicans and the in word. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is Mexican and the in word. I'm just expressing
Speaker 1: to you because you asked me for why is it?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, because that's my nigga. They they ain't
Speaker 1: my niggas. Now, I'm not saying they should be your
Speaker 1: niggas too. I'm not trying to grant a pass throughout
Speaker 1: Black America. That's just ridiculous. That's not what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do. I'm saying based off why you asked.
Speaker 2: Me, the fact that you a past.
Speaker 1: Understand what I never said a past at all. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about in reference to you guys, because you said
Speaker 1: they need a pass you But but I think, but
Speaker 1: I think I think by that because by that standard,
Speaker 1: anybody you could say to anybody, don't call me nigga.
Speaker 3: You guys who is you, guys?
Speaker 1: Who is you all? What I'm saying is, what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is because to you, because there are some black
Speaker 1: people that don't like other black people calling them the
Speaker 1: N word. I swear to God and so they no,
Speaker 1: I got I got older home just like that. Don't
Speaker 1: call me nigga. Rest in peace to my boy Twine
Speaker 1: for Milwaukee. That nigga said, do not call me nigga.
Speaker 1: I don't care about none of that. Ship.
Speaker 3: I'm my friend Jason that way.
Speaker 1: Some people not with that, so I'm not Again, it's
Speaker 1: up to you now. I'm just telling you why they
Speaker 1: use it and why I use it. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: why they should use it with you. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that. And you know what, job you should be okay with
Speaker 1: my homeboy man. Don't calling you. That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're you asked me back then why I'm I okay
Speaker 1: with man dog calling me the N word. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: You're okay with your homeboy. But what about Fat Joe.
Speaker 2: There's been an hour, but Joe's my nigga. Really, it's
Speaker 2: a good fight, y'all. All right, nigga, but are you okay?
Speaker 2: So you're okay with Fat Joe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that nigga, all right? You know what I was
Speaker 1: mad about and that whole thing radical radical black racist.
Speaker 1: When you said radical black racist, I was like the fuck.
Speaker 3: And the broke part. You didn't like the broke party?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like okay, you said radical black racist. Then
Speaker 1: he was like a bunch of broke niggas. Why you
Speaker 1: gotta put them two together after radical black races? That's
Speaker 1: just crazy?
Speaker 2: Who is guess he is?
Speaker 1: Fat Joe is a Bronx Listen. Fat Joe is a Bronx,
Speaker 1: a person that grew up in the bronx, in the projects.
Speaker 2: You know how we all have those conversations at work
Speaker 2: and then the conversations we have before we get fired.
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, your work person is completely different. I won't
Speaker 2: say completely different, but it's definitely different than your home person.
Speaker 2: Fat Joe has a nigga person and a home person.
Speaker 2: His home person is fully aware of where he comes
Speaker 2: from and the community that which he's come from and
Speaker 2: their ideology and a lot of a lot of aspects,
Speaker 2: and his nigga, Fat Joe is fully aware of what
Speaker 2: puts food on the table. Sometimes the two connect a
Speaker 2: little bit, and don't don't agree that would be one
Speaker 2: of those.
Speaker 1: What would be the other? Fat Joe, give me, give
Speaker 1: me flesh it out.
Speaker 3: Regular house, Puerto Rican Fat Joe, and then outside hip hop.
Speaker 1: Regular Puerto Rican house, Fat Joe. If he was outside,
Speaker 1: most of the.
Speaker 2: Nobody's outside all the time, Bronia.
Speaker 1: I was outside more than inside. We couldn't even come
Speaker 1: back inside the house till the streetlights came on.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank Yo's rich.
Speaker 1: He even rich his whole life. He has not, but
Speaker 1: he's been rich a long time. So you think one
Speaker 1: day he gonna wake up and not use the N word.
Speaker 2: No, what I think is is that his grandmother when
Speaker 2: he was in the projects, talked differently inside their apartment.
Speaker 1: Agree, I totally agree. I believe. I believe Fat Joe's
Speaker 1: parents are truly I think it's Puerto Rican, the Cuban
Speaker 1: or Puerto Rican people. I agree. Facts.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna tell me that he did not internalize
Speaker 2: a lot of what they believe and what they said,
Speaker 2: and he has just opposed that with the outside community.
Speaker 1: Hold on, but again, and if you spend a lot
Speaker 1: of your days outside that school, what about that same
Speaker 1: condition and culturely you can't just rule that out.
Speaker 2: You can't. But you don't love them niggas like you
Speaker 2: love your grandmother. You don't respect them. Niggas like to
Speaker 2: respect your grandmother. That's not grandmother, that is absolutely true
Speaker 2: Detroit grandparents.
Speaker 1: That's some Detroit shit. I'm sorry, bro, we know because
Speaker 1: it's not We love our it's a different level of
Speaker 1: love we have for our grandparents. Go ahead, Pete.
Speaker 3: It would be interesting. And I always forget his name,
Speaker 3: but it was a great guest. And if he hears this,
Speaker 3: I apologize for not remembering your name. The guy you
Speaker 3: had on from uh Bell eighteenth Street, Oh yeah, any
Speaker 3: means here. I would be interesting to hear his take
Speaker 3: on the other side of that, because we also have
Speaker 3: that kind of conversation of the Purging of eighteen so
Speaker 3: to speak, where I made the infamous peg Leg Morgan
Speaker 3: Freeman comment that almost got me killed, and that whole
Speaker 3: thing would be I would like to have if we
Speaker 3: could do a part two, maybe all one of the
Speaker 3: lives or something like that, his perspective from the other
Speaker 3: side of that, to see how they how he or
Speaker 3: they or he had ins as to how that might
Speaker 3: be perceived from their community.
Speaker 2: Be interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I will. We'll try to put together
Speaker 1: that part too, But but we have to just stop
Speaker 1: conflating a couple of things, right, Like, there are certain
Speaker 1: things that people grew up culturally with us that that
Speaker 1: becomes a part of their life. Like right now, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. If somebody learns it from a song, I'm
Speaker 1: all in, like, I'm I'm I'm like, I don't get
Speaker 1: why they's seeing it. But again, if somebody grew up
Speaker 1: their whole life saying this, then that's where I'm standing
Speaker 1: specifically of why my homeboys is my homeboys? Right, this
Speaker 1: is what it is for us now saying your own
Speaker 1: boys or my homeboys should call you that in you,
Speaker 1: that's your right to decide whoever should call you anything
Speaker 1: outside of jobs your name. Right, what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: my homeboys are my homeboys. That's why they call me that.
Speaker 1: Damn is my niggas? Now are they? They not your niggas?
Speaker 1: And some black people ain't gonna let you call them
Speaker 1: your nigga facts. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Did you see that white rapper from from Dallas that used.
Speaker 2: In word I've seen a couple of white rappers use it.
Speaker 1: I've never seen too many white rappers.
Speaker 2: Us. I seen one dude in a battle rapp use
Speaker 2: that ship and then they got punched in the face.
Speaker 1: I've seen that too. It should be he's like they said,
Speaker 1: I can't say nigga in this battle, Well my nigga poof.
Speaker 2: Yes, immediately you should be swift and unfunckiable and unconcerned.
Speaker 3: With how you feel about it, especially through a garblet down.
Speaker 3: You said, I can't say this, Well, it's.
Speaker 1: A white man.
Speaker 3: Original point is it? Is it a black thing or
Speaker 3: is it anybody but white thing?
Speaker 1: No, because I think there are some white people in
Speaker 1: America who has niggas their whole life.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't a guy at a battle rap maybe be one
Speaker 3: of them?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either the guy who
Speaker 1: hit him, look I have I don't know his origin story.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just saying, Look that.
Speaker 2: People they are, they are on colde in certain things,
Speaker 2: not necessarily you pep speaking. They don't tolerate certain ship
Speaker 2: across the board. Black people don't have that same.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Job. They don't have a word that
Speaker 1: they call each other. That they say, you can't call
Speaker 1: us this word. Nobody is that ridiculous except.
Speaker 2: Us and that other.
Speaker 1: That ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But a credit score, a lot of ship creditscore, a
Speaker 2: lot of ship they use to funk over the rest
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can get the same credits. Well, no
Speaker 1: you can't. But that's yeah, hold up a lot of us.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, But what I'm saying is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying jobs is it's like there is nobody else
Speaker 1: like people compared to like the word like like the
Speaker 1: Jewish Kike word. Right, it's like they don't call each
Speaker 1: other that, like if there's nobody else termed a term
Speaker 1: that was used against them negatively and to this super
Speaker 1: fly oh yeah, the LGBT. And then they still don't
Speaker 1: use it like that.
Speaker 2: They do, actually not.
Speaker 1: As as as fly as we use it. We even
Speaker 1: made that popular. So what Yeah, but that's different. We
Speaker 1: make most ship popular. But again, don't we don't want
Speaker 1: to claim that we use another derogatory term and made
Speaker 1: it popular.
Speaker 2: We got one, give us, give them all to us.
Speaker 1: But you can't, you can't. But but at that point,
Speaker 1: but at that point, right, you can't that that's the
Speaker 1: point Now I'm not saying this is what makes it okay.
Speaker 1: I'm saying this is what makes the conversation unique.
Speaker 2: But that's because you're such an intellectual. It's just a
Speaker 2: regular ass fat in my basement, and so I don't
Speaker 2: have that many intellectual barriers. It either is or it ain't, yeh, Cap,
Speaker 2: don't worry. In some instances, yes, I agree, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of gray area and a lot of ship for
Speaker 2: certain things. Bro, I think the black folks should just
Speaker 2: be like, no, if we had just said no to
Speaker 2: rock music, well still be doing that ship. No, we're
Speaker 2: not teaching you. I write you, no songs, no riffs,
Speaker 2: not doing nothing that ship. Figure it out. A lot
Speaker 2: of shit in this country that we created, we invented,
Speaker 2: and we gave these motherfuckers. Blood transfusions should be a
Speaker 2: black thing.
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