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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Epstein Bombshell. The so called

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Speaker 1: missing minute, a prison video, miraculously is found and it

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Speaker 1: reveals movement around Epstein's cell just before his death.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Lies, Lies, Lies. What

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Speaker 2: are they hiding?

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Speaker 1: Did you know of the existence of any such list?

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Speaker 2: There is no nest.

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Speaker 3: To be sure, there is no list.

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Speaker 1: There's no client list.

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Speaker 4: Nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, bombshell, The so called missing minute of epstein

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Speaker 1: jailhouse video has been found. Let's see the video. The

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Speaker 1: video that we have been told was just a glitch.

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Speaker 2: Well that's not true. That has been disproven.

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Speaker 1: We were told over and over by the US Attorney

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Speaker 1: General Bondie that the missing minute was not missing at all.

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Speaker 2: It was all just a.

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Speaker 1: Quote jump, a jump for the daily reset that happened

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Speaker 1: every twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: That was a lie.

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Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to makes sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know tonight, this as Epstein victims storm DC,

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Speaker 1: demanding justice, claiming that they and their so called clients,

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Speaker 1: the abusers, are in those documents. Well, then there is

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Speaker 1: a client list straight out to Barry Levine, joining us

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Speaker 1: author of a now bestseller, The Spider Inside the Tangled

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Speaker 1: Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell, veteran investigative and

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Speaker 1: print reporter, at Capitol Hill yesterday when the victims stormed

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Speaker 1: DC First Bury.

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Speaker 2: Before I get to the victims, well, this.

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Speaker 1: Proves that we have been lied to, as if we

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Speaker 1: didn't already know that there is a missing minute, and

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Speaker 1: it shows a cluster of activity around Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell.

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Speaker 1: Other video that has also been released shows him pursue

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Speaker 1: it to what witnesses have said that have been discounted,

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Speaker 1: being taken to the bathroom to make a cell phone

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is so.

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Speaker 1: Incendiary, but I want to get to the missing minute. Barry,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of it other than body flat

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Speaker 1: out live right to our faith.

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, I have to tell you that I have

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Speaker 5: completely lost all trust in terms of the government, in

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Speaker 5: terms of this investigation. I don't know how we go

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Speaker 5: from where we are to where we need to be.

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Speaker 5: All I can think of is that at this point

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Speaker 5: we need to have some type of special prosecutor, an

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Speaker 5: independent prosecutor brought in that can bring together all of

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Speaker 5: this bringing in independent forensic video experts. Let's take this

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Speaker 5: video apart, second by second, let's enhance it. Let's do

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Speaker 5: what we have to do to see exactly what we

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Speaker 5: have to work with here. And I have to tell you,

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Speaker 5: Nanthy that the statements that the conflicting statements that have

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Speaker 5: come out of the Department of Justice related to this

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Speaker 5: specific video have tied themselves up in knots. This is

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Speaker 5: a situation that needs complete unraveling, and it's a it's

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Speaker 5: turned into an absolute circus. I can't believe.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to talk about what you think this

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Speaker 1: video reveals, Barry, what do you believe other than Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondi is totally lying. I mean that's been clear from

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Speaker 1: the beginning. I don't like attacking our government, the administration

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Speaker 1: that the people elected.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that. But she lied.

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Speaker 1: She told us first the client list was on her desk.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to play that. I've got her on video

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Speaker 1: saying that.

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Speaker 2: Then she says there is no client list.

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Speaker 1: Then all of the lies about there is no missing

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Speaker 1: minute a video. This man was killed, Okay, he did

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Speaker 1: not commit suicide. Now we find out missing time on

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Speaker 1: that video.

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Speaker 2: Not only was concealed, but.

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Speaker 1: They lied about it, and of course Barry hold on

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Speaker 1: just a moment to Greg Morris joining me, veteran criminal

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Speaker 1: defense attorney, author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg, before

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Speaker 1: you attack what I'm saying, haven't you found it to

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Speaker 1: be true, whether when you were a prosecutor or now.

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Speaker 1: When someone is lying about something that usually indicates a

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Speaker 1: nefarious purpose, why lie about it if they weren't worried

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Speaker 1: didn't exist, It didn't happen. It was just a jump,

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Speaker 1: a glitch in the system. That's total bs. And they've

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm not asking you.

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Speaker 1: To take a political side, because I don't care about politics.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is they had.

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Speaker 1: The video, they lied about the video, and it shows

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Speaker 1: a cluster of movement around Epstein's cell at the time.

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Speaker 2: He was killed.

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Speaker 6: Sosolutely right. There's something is covered up here. Now it

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Speaker 6: may turn out that it's an innocuous thing that created

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Speaker 6: part that was missing is where there's movement the whole night.

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Speaker 6: There's no movement of the guards really, and then all

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Speaker 6: of a sudden the one minute, So yes, you're one

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Speaker 6: hundred percent right, there is something and I'm an expert

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Speaker 6: in digital evidence. I speak on it around the country.

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Speaker 6: This is an easy thing to see. And it's also

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Speaker 6: the government's excuse that it was a general time glitch

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Speaker 2: Time was missing.

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Speaker 6: So of course something's excluded, it's been uncovered. That tells

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Speaker 6: you that something is being hidden here, whether it's to

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Speaker 6: a crime or not, something is being hidden here.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You know the cover up points to a nefarious intent

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Speaker 1: because as you just pointed out, which I find very

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Speaker 1: very probative, Morse, it's not just somebody going by with

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Speaker 2: There's no movement.

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Speaker 1: It's actually movement around his cell. That's bad Morse, It's

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Speaker 6: And they also the way it was described is it

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Speaker 6: looks like the person is going out of what they

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Speaker 6: So that explanation tells me even more support that this

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a cover up. There's no reason to

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Speaker 1: And again I don't care red blue Democrat Republican. What

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Speaker 1: I care about is that we are being lied to

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Speaker 1: and what I believe to be.

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Speaker 2: A murder investigation.

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Speaker 1: And as the victims point out NBC in the last hours,

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Speaker 2: Why is this shrouded.

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Speaker 1: As secrecy when the victims are not being protected? I

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Speaker 1: want to go straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining

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Speaker 1: as chief medical Examiner Terrance.

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Speaker 2: County, host of a new hit podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mayhem in the more esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School

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Speaker 1: of Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns, the one thing,

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Speaker 1: well among so many, that has disturbed me from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: is the ligature mark on Epstein's neck. Okay, I'm taking

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Speaker 1: everything that the victims had to say. But regarding Epstein,

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Speaker 1: why this missing moment is so important? The ligature mark,

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Speaker 1: as you and I have discussed, doctor Kendall Crowns, it's

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Speaker 1: not in the traditional U shape or smiley face when

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Speaker 1: someone commits suicide by hanging or even moving.

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Speaker 2: Forward while seated.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we see a directly horizontal line, which indicates in

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Speaker 1: every case I've ever investigated, ligature strangling straight across, likely

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Speaker 3: Thoughts, Well, I mean that's exactly correct. When you have

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Speaker 3: is more indicative of someone being strangled with ligature from

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Speaker 3: very questionable because how would that have happened.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall.

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Speaker 1: Crown's another question, how long at the middle minimum does

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Speaker 3: About three to five minutes or so. Somewhere in there,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of anyone other than expert divers that

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Speaker 3: That would be that would Hey, that's important.

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Speaker 2: What we're looking at right now.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, doctor Crowds, everybody on the panel, look at

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Speaker 2: I've been in I don't even know how many Seais

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Speaker 1: This is not allowed, nobody, no prisoner is allowed to

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Speaker 1: Suicide or homicide threat to the cell mate, the cell individual,

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Speaker 1: This is totally totally disallowed. Look at this. That's absolutely

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Speaker 1: to you, doctor kil Crimes. I'm gonna address what we're

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Speaker 1: Crown's you're telling me a human can go five full minutes,

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Speaker 1: not a deep sea diver or skin diver, but a

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Speaker 3: So no, I was giving you a range of individuals,

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Speaker 3: but someone of Epstein's age probably have smoked I would

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Speaker 1: That is traditional thinking regarding how long a human can

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Speaker 2: Three minutes. Back to Barry Levine.

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Speaker 1: Joining us, I want to follow up on what doctor

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Speaker 1: Crown's just said. Levin, we're missing that we know of

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Speaker 1: one minute, all this cluster activity around Epstein's cell around

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Speaker 1: the time he died. There was time for him to

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Speaker 1: be strangled, for him to be asphyxiated.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: There, as I said, we need to do a new

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Speaker 5: investigation into his death. We need, as I called in

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Speaker 5: the New York Times opinion section recently, we need to

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Speaker 5: see not only the Epstein files, the investigative files, all

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Speaker 5: the stuff that was on the computers and the CDs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what you are preaching to the choir

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Speaker 1: the files. I'm holding them in content. Of course, we

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Speaker 1: need to see the files. What I'm saying is this

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Speaker 1: time period when people were clustered around his seal. Why

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Speaker 1: now coming out? What, if anything, does it reveal? Sidney

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Speaker 1: to this.

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Speaker 7: The House Oversight Committee has released over thirty three thousand

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Speaker 7: pages of Epstein related records and dozens of video and

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Speaker 1: Hold on, sid Barry Levine. Did they think we wouldn't

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Speaker 5: Listen, Nancy, this is all part of a cover up.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there is more than one person in that area

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Speaker 4: Well, so what we can see in the video, these

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Speaker 1: All along we have had nothing but lies, lies. So

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Speaker 8: What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow is a lot

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Speaker 8: But it's pretty sick what that man did. A source

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Speaker 2: From our friends at Fox Gilainne Maxwell. Are we going

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Speaker 1: She denies as a client list, she denies there was trafficking.

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Speaker 9: There is no list, there is no I'm not aware

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Speaker 2: I never heard. I never heard that, I never saw it,

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Speaker 1: Many, not all, of the Epstein victims storming DC this

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Speaker 10: I was only fourteen years old when I met Jeffrey.

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Speaker 2: Was too old. She was too old. He started having

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Speaker 1: That's tat story rape when she's fourteen years old than

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Speaker 1: on X Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor Bethany Marshall

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Speaker 1: before I go to Barry Levine, who was there in

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Speaker 2: She is author of Deal breaker.

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Speaker 1: And you can find her doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. So when she said I wanted a

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Speaker 11: Seriously, this is the type of predating pattern that Gilan

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Speaker 1: Aging out to Lynn Shaw joining US, founder and director

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Speaker 2: Girls and women. I'm going to go back to Bethany

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Speaker 1: But aging out, I want you to explain what this

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Speaker 2: Marina Lecido, what she was saying, she's now an.

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Speaker 1: Adult, she was a child victim of statutory rape, repeat

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Speaker 2: Thanks Acosta.

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Speaker 1: All of this has been corroborated, and her name and

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Speaker 1: other clients associated with her have got to be in

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Speaker 12: I have waited for this day, Nancy, because what we've

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Speaker 12: We have always heard about miners involved with Maxwell, with

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Speaker 12: So now we finally have this coming forward. This is

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Speaker 12: After lie after lie with this case, Let's bring it

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, the theory of aging out. What I'm

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Speaker 1: corroboration of what these now adult victims are saying. Number one,

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Speaker 1: what she, Marina Lecardo and the others described is text

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Speaker 2: She said, I'm like, yeah, up.

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Speaker 1: Check check check check of the sex trafficking and statutory

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Speaker 2: Could you explain the veracity what she's saying?

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Speaker 1: Why is true that she says she waited and waited

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Speaker 11: Well, what it is is it confirms that Epstein is

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Speaker 11: of accounts to Russia and all the clients that are

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Speaker 11: being brought in, Jeffreysteine is now having.

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Speaker 2: Narrow my question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bethany, isn't it true that child molester's pedophiles

446
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Speaker 1: H one has a certain agee in.

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Speaker 2: Which they are interested.

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00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: It could be babies, It could be infants that they

449
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: want them a list.

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Speaker 2: It could be toddlers from one to three.

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Speaker 1: It could be schoolgirls in their little uniform at age five. Okay,

452
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Speaker 1: it could be boys at that age, or it could

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Speaker 1: be pre pubescent girls from eleven to just say fifteen sixteen.

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Speaker 2: That age, and they do not vary unless they have to.

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Speaker 1: So when this now adult victim says, he told me,

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Speaker 1: after three years of raping me, I aged out, isn't

457
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Speaker 1: it true? Dr Bethany that that is consistent with pedophilic behavior.

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Speaker 11: That is consistent with pedophilic behavior. And it also tells

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Speaker 11: us what age group he was predating upon, because she

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Speaker 11: was fourteen years old. So now we have a marker.

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Speaker 11: Now we know his type, and you are absolutely correct.

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Speaker 1: Pedophiles made me, One Bethany, his type, his type, you're

463
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong, but to say his type,

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Speaker 1: these are girls, these are the age of my Lucy,

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Speaker 1: his type and I noticed her. What about this, Doctor

466
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Speaker 1: Bethany to corroborate what these women are now saying?

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Speaker 2: Lavine heard it all. Remember just the other.

468
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Speaker 1: Day we reported and you and I analyzed, Ela Ain't

469
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: Maxwell saying yeah, I didn't really have sex with him

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Speaker 1: that much because he had a condition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was a pedophile.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have sex with adult woman that clearly loved him.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want that, oh hgwn. He wanted these little girls.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't.

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Speaker 1: I had to say it. He couldn't get an erection

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Speaker 1: with a grown woman.

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Speaker 2: It had to be a little girl. When the little

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Speaker 2: girl ages out, hey hit the road. Well, dancy, that's

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Speaker 2: what we call it per version.

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Speaker 11: Perversion is when you cannot get aroused through sex with

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Speaker 11: the same age partner. You only have to go towards

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Speaker 11: children or something other than a partner, like a whip

483
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Speaker 11: or a chain or a shoe or something like this.

484
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Speaker 11: So this is a classic perversion. And what he did

485
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Speaker 11: was he brought these little girls in. He predated upon

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Speaker 11: them when they were at their most vulnerable age. But

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Speaker 11: he also they probably also groomed and stopped these little

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Speaker 11: girls so that they really could not get out of

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Speaker 11: the web. So yes, now we have the marker fourteen

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Speaker 11: years old. Now we know how they did it. It's

491
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Speaker 11: just it's all out there.

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Speaker 2: This whole thing was manufactured. I believe it's literally if

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Speaker 2: they could. Gillie Maxwell is a court proven liar.

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Speaker 11: Why is this liar being allowed to rewrite history when

495
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Speaker 11: we have a whole trial proving.

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Speaker 12: That almost everything she says is one hundred percent a lie.

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Speaker 9: I would like to announce here today us Epstein Survived

498
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Speaker 9: have been discussing creating our own list. We know the

499
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Speaker 9: names many of us were abused by them. Now together,

500
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Speaker 9: as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all

501
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Speaker 9: know who regularly and who are regularly in the epsteam world.

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Speaker 9: And it will be done by survivors and for survivors.

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Speaker 9: No one else is involved.

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Speaker 2: That fro. I'm at Rep. Thomas Massey on X.

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Speaker 1: You are seeing the survivors in DC in the last

506
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Speaker 1: days demanding justice. Now, why you do rape victims have

507
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Speaker 1: to band together and ask our federal government to quit lying.

508
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Speaker 1: They are now getting together and compiling a client list,

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Speaker 1: you know, the one that we've just been told, Yeah,

510
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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. But woh whoa who wo correct me

511
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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, didn't BONDI state she had the client

512
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Speaker 1: list right there on her desk.

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Speaker 10: Listen, maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will

514
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Speaker 10: that really happen?

515
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Speaker 8: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's

516
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 8: been a directive by President Trump, that from.

517
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Speaker 1: Our friends at Fox News, sitting on my desk right now.

518
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: Then we're told there is no client list. You want

519
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: to tell me those little girls now adult women, don't

520
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: know who was raping them. Barry Levine, help me help me. Now,

521
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: isn't a true, Levine, that based on your research.

522
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Speaker 2: And you didn't make this up.

523
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Speaker 1: You got this from banks, you got it from flight logs,

524
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Speaker 1: you got it from individuals all the way up the

525
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: chain at the US Virgin Islands under our jurisdiction, that

526
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: Epstein flew and feried little girls and delivered them to

527
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Speaker 1: adult males like they were.

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Speaker 2: Pete says, just here, here you go, here's.

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Speaker 1: The fourteen year old and the little girls were on

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Speaker 1: this island you're looking at right there, And what do

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Speaker 1: they even try to swim off and.

532
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Speaker 2: Couldn't make it? Isn't that true? And you want to

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Speaker 2: tell me, Levine.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows all those freaky old guys' names, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: They do know these names. And the fact that the

536
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 5: government isn't investigating these third parties is absolutely disgusting. I

537
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 5: was at the press conference. I was with the women.

538
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Speaker 5: The best thing that came out of it was the

539
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Speaker 5: fact that they themselves are going to draw up a

540
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Speaker 5: list of men who need to be investigated. And I

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Speaker 5: asked Congressman Massey after the press conference, I said, what

542
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 5: will you do with that list? And he said, Marjorie

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00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 5: Taylor Green has volunteered to read that list. On the

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Speaker 5: House floor, and.

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Speaker 7: He said that.

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Speaker 5: He told me that he would be proud to also

547
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 5: read that list. He said, if it's read on the

548
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Speaker 5: House floor, there's legal protections given them for naming these names.

549
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 5: But we need to do this. It's said that we're

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Speaker 5: at this point now that it's going to take the

551
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: survivors themselves to draw up the list. Believer, then, because

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Speaker 5: the government.

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Speaker 2: I've got another idea, Levne.

554
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: Here's an idea, and I'm not sure the legal way

555
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: around it, but there is a legal way around it.

556
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Speaker 2: And Morris is going to help me with that.

557
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, based on what Barry Levne incredible about, guys,

558
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: the spider inside the tangle web of Jeffrey Epstein and

559
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Speaker 1: Gilaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 2: Sidney, you and I spoke.

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Speaker 1: To a civil lawyer that represented nine a counting of

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Speaker 1: Epstein then little girl victims.

563
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Speaker 2: They entered into civil suit settlements. Look at that smug

564
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Speaker 2: face of his. I could just rip his lips off.

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Speaker 1: Civil settlements and those girls could name corporate I guess

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Speaker 1: you would say clients of Epstein's that raped the little girls.

567
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Speaker 1: But he was bound by attorney client privilege. When they

568
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: took the settlement, they were bound with an NBA could

569
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Speaker 1: never state the names of the men that raped them, remember.

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Speaker 4: Him absolutely, And while that was a step forward to

571
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Speaker 4: justice for these girls, it was a huge injustice.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: How many people are walking around having the best part

574
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 4: of Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking rank, who have raped minor

575
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Speaker 4: girls as young as fourteen years old, that's a freshman

576
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 4: in high school. Maybe. How many people are walking around

577
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: now with no consequences because of how this case was handled,

578
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: how these ladies had to seek justice through civil means.

579
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Speaker 4: It's horrifying.

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Speaker 1: The attorney Spencer Cuban representing nine of these little girls,

581
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Speaker 1: and he knows the girls have named Epstein's clients. They

582
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Speaker 1: were handed over to these guys like Pizzas Bondy telling

583
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Speaker 1: me there is a client list. Now she's saying there's

584
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Speaker 1: not a client list. Now, all the victims banding together

585
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: saying they're going to create a client list from their

586
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: own memory. Greg Morris, is there any way to defeat

587
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: that attorney client privilege?

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00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: Now?

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00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: We know that the girls can waive the privilege if

590
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Speaker 1: they want to, they're the client, they can wave it.

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Speaker 2: So what would hold back Spencer Cuban.

592
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Speaker 1: From releasing those names or the rules releasing those names.

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Speaker 6: Well, it is just that, I mean, the attorney client

594
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Speaker 6: privilege survives death. We got that ruling by the Supreme

595
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Speaker 6: Court during I believe the Clinton error. So there is

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Speaker 6: no way for Colvin, who's a very good lawyer, an

597
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 6: excellent lawyer in civil matters, to just break through the

598
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Speaker 6: attorney client privilege. And as a lawyer, why would you

599
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Speaker 6: do that. You're bound by your client and you should always.

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Speaker 2: Know the crimes. It can break it, Morse, the client can.

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Speaker 6: Break it, and Ken of course client can. And as

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Speaker 6: far as these nds, it depends what is there a

603
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Speaker 6: financial penalty in it? Does anyone care about it? That

604
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 6: sign the agreement you may be able to look at.

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Speaker 6: I don't know the verbage of the agreement, but if

606
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Speaker 6: there's something with not getting these formal records from the

607
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 6: government that they anticipated, you could maybe use that. Although

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Speaker 6: I don't think the government's a part of any of

609
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Speaker 6: those settlements.

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Speaker 1: I don't shake that NDA's apply to crimes, to violent crimes,

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Speaker 1: like you can't sign off I will never reveal that

612
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: you raped me, and Andy applies civilly.

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Speaker 6: An NDA does apply civilly, but there's no criminal action here.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the DOJ is not going to.

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00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: An investatory right is a crime to you? No?

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00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it's not going to be a crime.

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Speaker 4: WHOA what?

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00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 6: No, it is a crime. But you're you're you're leaving

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Speaker 6: out the practical aspect of who would investigate this. The

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Speaker 6: federal government that is now run by Pam Bondy and

621
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump. So you have a different situation here when

622
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Speaker 6: you think someone's just going to come in and get

623
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Speaker 6: a list and file charges against people. This has been

624
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 6: there for twenty plus years. It has not been done.

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00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 6: No one has filed it. I live in this jurisdiction.

626
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 6: I was practicing law wh Jeffrey Epstein's case went on.

627
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 6: He had a phenomenal local lawyer down here, phenomenal lawyer,

628
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Speaker 6: and at the end of the day, nothing was done.

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Speaker 6: And you're all these years later nothing conference.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I got to go to Levan real quick

631
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Speaker 1: and follow up on what you're saying. You know, earlier

632
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Speaker 1: Bethany and Lynshaw were congratulating these women now coming forward.

633
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Speaker 2: But Levine, this is my fear.

634
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Speaker 1: We already know of multiple suicides estimates between five and twenty, yeah,

635
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: twenty suicides connected to this case. Including Epstein's, including Virginia Geffrey.

636
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Speaker 2: Can they really all be suicides? Now? These women are

637
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: speaking out.

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Speaker 1: That's Jeffrey when she was a little girl, when she

639
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: began being molested by Epstein, Barry Levine. I don't want

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00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: any of these women to end up dead and looking

641
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: like a suicide.

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00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: That's a fear, that's a.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we're saying this. It's like we're living

644
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Speaker 1: in Moscow and we're afraid witnesses.

645
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Are going to fall out of a window. What the

646
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 2: hey is going on? Nancy?

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Speaker 5: And I also want to correct one of the earlier guests.

648
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Speaker 5: There were girls as young as twelve years old who

649
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 5: were put on planes to the Virgin Islands. There were enablers,

650
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 5: There were men in these Eastern European countries who took

651
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: money from Jeffrey Epstein. Senator Ron Whiten is going down

652
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 5: the financial trail. He said, there's forty seven hundred wire

653
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 5: transfers totally one billion dollars that was moved through Russian banks.

654
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 5: Money was exchanged hands. There are financial records that can

655
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Speaker 5: be tapped here to go after not only the men

656
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 5: who took part in the sex trafficking, but the enablers,

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00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: the men who put these girls on planes, who need

658
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 5: to be prosecuted. We need to get to the bottom

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Speaker 5: of all of this, and we also need to protect

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Speaker 5: each and every one of these survivors.

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Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: In the Last Daystein now adult victims take on DC

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Speaker 1: demanding justice.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 10: There are many pieces of my story that I can't remember,

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Speaker 10: no matter how hard I try. The constant state of

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Speaker 10: wonder causes me so much fear and so much confusion.

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Speaker 10: My therapist is that my brain is just trying to

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Speaker 10: protect the self, but it's so hard to begin to

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Speaker 10: heal knowing that there are people out there who know

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Speaker 10: more about my abuse than I do. The worst part

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Speaker 10: is that the government is still in possession right now

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Speaker 10: of the documents and information about that could help me

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Speaker 10: remember and get over all of this, maybe and help

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Speaker 10: me heal. They have documents with my name on them

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Speaker 10: that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help

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Speaker 10: me put the pieces of my own life back together.

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Speaker 10: But I don't have any of it, and I know

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Speaker 10: the same is true for many of these women.

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Speaker 2: That from at Rep.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massey on ex Doctor Bethany and a nutshell. Isn't

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Speaker 1: it true when a young person or any person lives

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Speaker 1: through a highly traumatic event, such as being statutortally raped,

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Speaker 1: you lose memory before, during, and after. You can lose

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Speaker 1: memory before, during, and after. And what she is saying,

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Speaker 1: and that is Marina Lecarto speaking in Epstein victim, is

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Speaker 1: that the answers to some of those questions are in

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Speaker 1: these files.

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Speaker 11: That's right, and she needs to see those files. And

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Speaker 11: not only do we lose memory when we are again

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Speaker 11: raped or predated upon, but these girls are experiencing something

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Speaker 11: called cumulative trauma where they're being retraumatized by the US

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Speaker 11: government by knowing that these men who raped them are

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Speaker 11: still walking around and when right, So this is a

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Speaker 11: big trauma situation for them and also for trauma victims,

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Speaker 11: anything that is remotely similar to the original trauma reignites

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Speaker 11: panic attacks.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly that was in a nutshale. Because I want

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Speaker 1: you to hear another victim. This is Annie Farmer.

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Speaker 13: My name is Annie Farmer, and I was sixteen years

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Speaker 13: old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend

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Speaker 13: a weekend with Epstein A Maxwell. That same year, nineteen

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Speaker 13: ninety six, My sister Maria Farmer reported what happened to

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Speaker 13: me there, along with reporting her own assaults at their

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Speaker 13: hands and their theft of sensitive photos of herself, of

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Speaker 13: me and our younger sister that she had taken for

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Speaker 13: her work as a figuritive painter.

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Speaker 2: I am now forty six years old.

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Speaker 13: Thirty years later, we still do not know why that

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Speaker 13: report wasn't properly investigated, or why Epstein and his associates

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Speaker 13: were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands of other

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Speaker 13: girls and young women. We have never been told whether

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Speaker 13: those images were found when they discovered a large amount

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Speaker 13: of child sexual abuse material on.

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Speaker 1: His property that from at Rep. Thomas Massey on X. Now,

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Speaker 1: having dealt with so many child rape and child molestation victims,

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Speaker 1: I would sometimes have to pull my car over on

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Speaker 1: the street when I left the courthouse and just almost

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Speaker 1: feel sick or cry or try to figure out what

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Speaker 1: I had just seen with victims and all of their pain.

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Speaker 1: Think of these thousands of victims, literally thousands of victims

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Speaker 1: that went through this as children.

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Speaker 2: Listen to Hallie Robson.

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Speaker 14: And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 14: undressed and asked me to do things to him. My

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Speaker 14: eyes walled up with tears, and I have never been

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Speaker 14: more scared in my life. When it was over, he

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Speaker 14: paid me two hundred dollars and requested in exchange that

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Speaker 14: I bring a girl each time to make another two

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Speaker 14: hundred dollars. I told him I did not want to

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Speaker 14: do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I

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Speaker 14: felt in hope to never hear from him again, but

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Speaker 14: he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful,

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Speaker 14: and he would not let me go. I felt I

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Speaker 14: had no choice if I disobeyed him. I knew something

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Speaker 14: bad would happen.

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Speaker 2: That from at Rep.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massey on X Barry Levaine, Dear Lord in Heaven

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Speaker 1: help us.

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Speaker 2: They describe the saying you.

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Speaker 1: Were there when all of these victims were speaking out,

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Speaker 1: and it's just happened, and it's like Bonnie's not even

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Speaker 1: responding to it.

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Speaker 5: Nancy. These women now have taken it upon themselves because

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Speaker 5: the government has been lying to us. They have refused

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Speaker 5: to release the files. They've given us the run around

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Speaker 5: as to the material that they've put out to the

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Speaker 5: committee of ninety seven percent of it is in the

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Speaker 5: public domain. Already they're at witch end. But what they

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Speaker 5: have is the ability to come together among themselves and

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Speaker 5: appeal to the country. And yesterday at the press conference,

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Speaker 5: they were able to stand together and to show the

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Speaker 5: American public that they are not a hoax, that what

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Speaker 5: happened to them was real.

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Speaker 1: And as to Gilain Maxwell, who has just been moved

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Speaker 1: to a cushy.

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Speaker 2: Prison, it's more like a dormitory.

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Speaker 1: This is what a victim Menisco di Giorgio has to

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Speaker 1: say about Maxwell.

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Speaker 4: If Gilen Maxwell were pardoned, it would.

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Speaker 7: Undermine all the sacrifices I made to testify and make

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Speaker 7: mockery of mine and all survive of suffering.

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Speaker 2: That from at Rep.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Massey on x Glaine Maxwell Windshaw, founder Director's Warriors,

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Speaker 1: dedicated stopping sex trafficking, she is in a cushy dorm

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Speaker 1: style penitentiary with for Pete's sake, a real housewife, jogging.

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Speaker 2: And having cooking classes. She is a child sex predator.

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Speaker 1: If this woman gets a pardon, there will be a

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Speaker 1: march on capital Gleeen.

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Speaker 12: Maxwell can never receive a pardon. We work with a

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Speaker 12: lot of these victims of theirs of Epstein Maxwell. We

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Speaker 12: know a lot of them when she was transferred recently

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Speaker 12: to this cushy compound she's in where she can go

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Speaker 12: out and get coffee in town or a library book.

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Speaker 12: This is what forced these women, they said, we have

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Speaker 12: to do something more. Look what's happening, what a disservice

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Speaker 12: our American government is doing right now? This is not

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Speaker 12: about politics. This is about truth and transparency soon human

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Speaker 12: trafficking that we fight at the Warriors day in and

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Speaker 12: day out for victims. She is a predator, a criminal,

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Speaker 12: Glaine Maxwell, and she is a sex trafficker, and she's

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Speaker 12: getting special services and I'm sure she's getting her vegan

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Speaker 12: meals whatever she's doing there her spa. You know, she

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Speaker 12: has a SPA available to her. I ask you, this

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Speaker 12: is what made these women come forward. Where are we

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Speaker 12: going now with this? Because the track record has been

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Speaker 12: lies after lies after lies. But thank goodness for these

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Speaker 12: Internet salutes who don't let anything get by them and

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Speaker 12: saw this new video, this minute missing. Where are we

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Speaker 12: going now? I fear for the victims. I fear for

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Speaker 12: these survivors because they are very fragile, They're very traumatized.

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Speaker 12: They break out into crying when we talk to them

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Speaker 12: because nobody has really really helped them. And I just

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Speaker 12: bring you back to one thing. For Ginia Giuffrey, she

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Speaker 12: we were told she committed suicide. End of story, closed book.

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Speaker 12: There are so many more women out there that have

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Speaker 12: not come forward, and they were miners at the time.

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Speaker 12: I'm going to say again, twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year

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Speaker 12: old girls, miners, Where are we going now? As society

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Speaker 12: must stand up and empower and engage with all of

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Speaker 12: these survivors and demand justice.

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Speaker 1: Now we wait as justice God willing reigns down and

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Speaker 1: we now stop, and we honor American.

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Speaker 2: Heroes, heroes that are brave enough to speak out.

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Speaker 1: I'm referring to the now adult Epstein victims, children, all

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Speaker 1: of them at the time they were raped repeatedly by

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Speaker 1: Epstein and his friends.

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Speaker 2: Who are the friends? Will we ever find out?

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Speaker 1: Or will we be deaf, dumb and blind to what

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Speaker 1: is right under our nose? How many victims and witnesses

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Speaker 1: have already committed suicide? Estimates between five that I can

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Speaker 1: name on my hands and twenty. What risk do these

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Speaker 1: women face as they speak out? Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,