1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andy and Samantha and welcome to Steff. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: I've never told you a production of iHeartRadio, and once 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: again we are thrilled to be joined by the talented, 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: the terrific Eves. Welcome hello once again for another edition 5 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: of Female First. We feel that we are approaching a milestone, 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: but we have yet to confirm it. We're getting close. 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: We're getting close to something. I'm sure and positively. Yes, 8 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: how are you, Eves? 9 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: How have you been? 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty good today. Yeah, I think a lot 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: of stuff has been going on. But it's been a 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: good February. You know, it's been it's been a packed February, 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: but it's been it's been pretty nice. 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a. 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: I have a like a dryer wait erase calendar that 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: gives me way more stress than it should because every 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: the beginning of every month I have to like erase 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: it and write everything that I have to do in 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: the month. 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: And I was looking over February today, I was like, Wow, 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: this was a busy month for me. They did that. Yeah, 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: February did that. 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: Honestly, That's why I gave us that that extra day 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: this month is like as much as possible in this month. 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: We're gonna give you an extra day to fit it all. Oda. Yes, 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: well I will be doing my calendar tomorrow. 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: And we were talking about before this, what sounds like 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: people are having a lot of stress dreams. It sounds 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: like that, Uh, we're all stressed out and it is 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: impacting our dreams, particularly maybe time based missing something. I 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: suspect daylight savings time has something to do with it. 32 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: But I love I know that it's like kind of 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: a thing people don't talk about, but I love talking 34 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: about dreams. 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: So this is really interesting. 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: No, I think it's controversial, Annie, because some people like, 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: nobody wants to hear your dreams. They're only interesting to 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: you because they happen in your head. And I'm like, no, 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: I want to hear everyone's dreams. Tell me, tell me 40 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: everything that's going on. And you're subconscious, Let me analyze you, 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: let me judge. 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: You, Let me judge you. That's the key. 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: Yes, well, it is so fascinating. It's to me a 44 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: thing that our brain does, and that Yeah, what does 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: that say? 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: What does it say? 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: I had a dream last night that I got these 48 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: increasingly intense notes and the last one was like and 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: I've been standing in front of you this whole time, and. 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: There was a standing in front of mill. Wow. What 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: happened next? Did you know? You woke up? 52 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: Wow? 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: I was like, damn, yeah, I need to relax. 54 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: What needs to happen in real life for that not 55 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 3: to happen in your dreams again? 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: Exactly. 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: I've been trying to be better about like stretching more 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: and taking like the time and going on walks, but 59 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: apparently it's not enough. 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, not enough, not enough. 61 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: I had a dream that there was a crocodile in 62 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: my kitchen and it crocks specifically, you know, we don't 63 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: have crocks here in the United States. It wasn't a 64 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: gator though, I just I knew it was a croc 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: It was very specific. 66 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: And I went to my sister and I was like, 67 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, there's a crock in the kitchen. Can 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: you get it for me? And she was like, oh, okay. 69 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: So she took a shoe in the kitchen and like 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: came back and she was like, I got it. 71 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: I was like, you did, that's great. She's like yeah. 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: I was like, what did you do? 73 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: She's like, I grabbed it by the tail and I 74 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: took this and I hit it in the head and 75 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: it died, and I was like, Okay, I don't think 76 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: that will work in real life, but you did that, 77 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: and I am happy about it because I'm no longer 78 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: in danger. 79 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's really weird. 80 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: Weird weird things definitely around time too. So I think 81 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: there's something in the air. I think there's something in 82 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: the universe, something spinning differently. 83 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 84 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was telling some ante recently. I've been talking 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: about all the cicadas that are coming. It might actually 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: impact our recording because they could be loud enough. They're 87 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: pretty loud, so we'll see. There's a lot of stuff 88 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: in the air, is what I'm saying. Yeah, a lot 89 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: of stuff coming. Is it another cicada year? Don't they 90 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: only come out every It's two cicadas, two roots of cicadas. 91 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: Has happened since the eighteen hundreds. 92 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: So we are at a different time. Y'all. Be careful, y'all. 93 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: Whatever conspiracies you believe in right now, they're probably true 94 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: and choiced on the ways that things are converging. 95 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: All these bird things are happening, and he has made 96 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: that intiction with the cicadas. 97 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: I think I'm on every show for the past a 98 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: month now, so it's been and even like conversation, like 99 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 3: we had a business meeting, we had a team meeting, 100 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: and immediately came out as well, and. 101 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: Do you think you were a cicada in the past life? 102 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: I might have been, because they're very they have strings 103 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: like clocks and patterns, and I'm very big on like 104 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: timing and numbers and patterns. 105 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: I could see it. I could see it. Maybe that's 106 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: the key. 107 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: Back when movies not really no, okay, but they have 108 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: some that are like, okay, I'm getting. 109 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: We wanted to know the depth of your knowledge about 110 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: because we know it runs deep. It's deep. 111 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: Back when, remember when movies used to do like the 112 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: big websites that came out with their release. For The 113 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: Mummy too, I took a what what were you in 114 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: your past life? And I got a beetle, so it 115 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: could be could be. 116 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like it was. It was also very 117 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: thematically centered around the movie, because. 118 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: I don't think it was it should have been a locust, 119 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: species of insects and animals or whatever. There are very 120 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: limited options. 121 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: It's true, all right, I guess I've taken a grain 122 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: of salt with it. 123 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 3: I just made that way too, way more technical than 124 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: it needed to be. Sorry, I really didn't mean to 125 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 3: city bubbles there. It's you know, it was probably time 126 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 3: that bubble be first. 127 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: The Mummy too website was not like tapping into something 128 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: in another realm. That's all right, all right, Well who 129 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: did you bring for us to discuss today? 130 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: Eves? 131 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 3: So today we're going to be talking about Belinda Sutton. 132 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: And there are some tenuous first but I think this 133 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 3: is one of those biographies that I mean, it's worth 134 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: talking about and a lot of times first star like that. 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: So it's just kind of she was one of the earliest, 136 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: she wrote one of the earliest known. Some people says 137 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: slave narratives bad African women. I think that's a little loose. 138 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: But also petition she made has been seen by some 139 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: as the first call for reparations for American slavery. But 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: what I think I'll say here is just that she 141 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: wrote a pretty early petition. This was in the seventeen hundreds, 142 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: with a call for compensation based on the free labor 143 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: that she did for her enslaver, and of course that's 144 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: worth talking about. I think in general, a lot of 145 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: the people that we talk about here on female first, 146 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: they usually have something to do in terms of accomplishments 147 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: around the work that they do, or you know, the 148 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: feels that they were in, and this one is a 149 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: little bit different in that regard. But I just think 150 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: it's important to talk about the history of enslaved people 151 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: in general, because so much of that history has been 152 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: erased or not recorded at all in the first place. 153 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: So I'm always here for talking about something in that regard. 154 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: Of course, reparations is a conversation that's been coming up 155 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: a lot in news media for the last decade, so 156 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: it's relevant in that regard. And yeah, so we've covered 157 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: some people who were in slaved and some people who 158 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: were born in times when slavery was a thing but 159 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: were born as quote unquote free people of color, or 160 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: had other circumstances around that why they weren't enslaved even 161 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: when it was during. 162 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: The slavery era. 163 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that Belinda Sutton's history is really interesting, 164 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: important to talk about in another one of those instances 165 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: where we don't know a lot about her life, but 166 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that we still shouldn't talk about her life. Yeah, 167 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: so her petition was also related to freedom suits, which 168 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: is a very fascinating, very fascinating history to me, one 169 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: of the ways that black people resisted. There are so 170 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: many forms of resistance that enslaved people did, but this 171 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: was one of the ways. And this wasn't particularly a 172 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: freedom suit that Belinda Sutton did. It was more about compensation, 173 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: but it's related to that history of resistance. And I 174 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: won't get ahead of myself there. We'll talk about that later, 175 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: but that's another reason I wanted to bring her. And 176 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: then also I'm thinking, I don't know if I'm right 177 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: about this. We've done a lot of episodes of Female First, 178 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: but this might be the earliest story we've covered because 179 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: it's from the eighteenth century. Potentially, don't hold me to that, 180 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: but I think it's I like that, and I want 181 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: to bring more people who are from earlier centuries on. 182 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: It's just a little harder to do because the histories 183 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: are a little bit less recorded a. 184 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: Lot of the time. 185 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, that's it though, Yeah, And I think that 186 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 2: it is one of the fascinating and sometimes very upsetting things, 187 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: is that something as far back as this we are 188 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: still talking about it is still relevant and important. So 189 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: I do think that is the reason why we should 190 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: look back at these things and. 191 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: See where we've changed and where we have it and 192 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: all of those things. 193 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: So, yeah, thank you so much for bringing mesus always. 194 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: Shall we get into some history, Yes, let's do it. 195 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: So Belinda Sutton was born around seventeen twelve or seventeen thirteen. 196 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: We don't have an exact date for her birth, but 197 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: she was born in West Africa, maybe somewhere around Ghana 198 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: or Nigeria. And she was captured when she was around 199 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: twelve years old, and then she was captured by slavers. 200 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: Of course, she was enslaved by the royals, specifically Isaac 201 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 3: Royal Junior. He lived in Medford, Massachusetts, so that's where 202 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: the property was that we'll talk about where Belinda worked. 203 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: And he was one of the wealthiest enslavers in the 204 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: colony and enslaved the most people in the colony at 205 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: the time. It was around seventeen thirty two or so 206 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: when he enslaved Belinda, and this was about seven years 207 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: or so after she was kidnapped and arrived on the 208 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: other side of the Atlantic. He moved his family and 209 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: about twenty seven enslaved people to Massachusetts. That was around 210 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: seventeen thirty seven, after he had a sugarcane plantation in Antiga, 211 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: So there's some. 212 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: Movement there after. 213 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: Isaac Royal enslaved Belinda Sutton and they made their way 214 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 3: to New England. 215 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: And she was working for him. 216 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: So during the American Revolution, though, Isaac Royle was a loyalist, 217 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: so he left the colonies in seventeen seventy five. First 218 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: he went to Nova Scotia and eventually he made his 219 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: way to England. But after he left, of course he 220 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: had this estate. He had all these this property left, 221 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: and he had enslaved people who were still left there. 222 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,239 Speaker 1: So all those people they were manumitted. 223 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: So Belinda, there's not a ton that's known about her. 224 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: We do know that she went to live in Boston, 225 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: and we also know that she had two children, Joseph 226 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: and Prine, who are recorded as having been baptized in 227 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: seventeen sixty eight, and Joseph may have been sold when 228 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: she was freed. But yeah, so there's not a ton 229 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: that's known about her personal life. 230 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: But a lot of what we. 231 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: Do know about her life revolves around the petition that 232 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: we'll talk about in just a moment. So just a 233 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: little bit of background. You know, Massachusetts was the first 234 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 3: colony to formally legalize slavery, and of course this all 235 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 3: of this was happening in the north, so this was 236 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: still a thing there. 237 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: People were enslaved. 238 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, Belinda is mentioned in Isaac Royle's will that 239 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 3: was dated May twenty sixth, seventeen seventy eight, which he 240 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: wrote during his exile to England, and he said, I 241 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: do also give unto my set daughter, my negro woman Linda, 242 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: in case she does not choose her freedom. If she 243 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 3: does choose her freedom, to have it provided that she 244 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: gets security that she shall not be a charge to 245 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: the town of Medford. So Royal told his friend Willis Hall, 246 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: who was the executive of his will, to pay Belinda 247 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 3: thirty pounds for three years. And on February fourteenth, seventeen 248 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: eighty three, Belinda presented a petition to the Massachusetts legislature. 249 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: In it she acts to be paid an annual pension 250 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: out of Royal's estate for her unpaid labor. So, as 251 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: history professor roy E Finkenbahn said in his essay Belinda's petition, 252 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: it was quote a moral and intellectual appeal. So, well, 253 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: I'll go through a little bit of what the petition said. 254 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: So in the petition, Belinda talks about these fond memories 255 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: she has from her life in West Africa. Then she 256 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: talks about the white man coming to her village and 257 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 3: being kidnapped and taken across the Atlantic. Then she goes 258 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: into the awful conditions of being enslaved, and then builds 259 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 3: up her argument that all the labor she's put in 260 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: for the Royals over the years means that she's owed money. 261 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 3: And finally she asked the legislators to grant her an 262 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: allowance from Royal's estate. So you see her building up 263 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: her case by talking about how difficult it was, by 264 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: talking about how much work that she had done, and 265 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: that she had earned this money, and that she was 266 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: now old and she was supposed to get this money. 267 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: This money was hers and just a note on her name, 268 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: So you'll see her referred to as Belinda, and then 269 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: you'll also see her referred to as Belinda Royal sometimes, 270 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: which was obviously after her enslavers. But in twenty fifteen, 271 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: researchers found that in a seventeen eighty eight petition she 272 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: called herself Belinda Sutton of Boston in the County of 273 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: Suffolk widow and that where her name, Belinda Sutton as 274 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: I'm referring to her, comes from. But it is unknown 275 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: who or when she got married to, so that's a 276 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: question in her story, and researchers are still looking more 277 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: into her story to learn more about her. But it's 278 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: likely that Belinda couldn't read or write. So of course 279 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: we have this petition which we see was written, and 280 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: it was probably drafted by someone else. So as far 281 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: as what scholars have said in the research, it's surmised 282 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: that it could have been at big asterisks there because 283 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: it's not really known, but it could have been this 284 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: person named Prince Hall, who was a black activist in 285 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: Boston at the time. He would have seen other and 286 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: be familiar with other petitions that were similar that were 287 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: presented to the Massachusetts legislature, and he wrote other things 288 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: asking for emancipation in general, like money for black folks 289 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: who wanted to move to West Africa and other things. 290 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: So that's how she got this written. Obviously, this happened 291 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: a lot of times with people who could write and 292 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: who advocate it for people who were enslaved and a 293 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: lot of them couldn't read or write, so there were 294 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: people who often did this in Prince Hall was one 295 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: of those people. And it's just kind of an educated 296 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: an educated guess, because he did a lot of this 297 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: work all the time. So yeah, what happened was the 298 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: legislature did grant her and prime her child fifteen pounds 299 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: and twelve shillings per year, which would have been paid 300 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: out of the rents and profits of royal's estate. And 301 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: that sounds all well and good, like okay, yeah, but 302 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: two things. One, she didn't get it as she was 303 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: supposed to get it over the course of the years. 304 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: And two, it wasn't like Massachusetts was doing this because 305 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: they were. 306 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: Just so progressive. 307 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: It was probably because he was a loyalist, and obviously 308 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: Massachusetts wasn't rocking with loyalists, the people who were loyal to. 309 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: England and the crown. 310 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: And also the money was coming out of his estate, 311 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: so it's not like it was really coming out of 312 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: their pocket, so it was just kind of like a 313 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: win win and could be seen as a punishment for 314 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: the estate of the royal family, like you left us 315 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 3: behind and the state seized the property after he fled, 316 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: so it was theirs to do with what they wanted to. 317 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, so. 318 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: And June eighteenth, seventeen eighty three, the petition was reprinted 319 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: in the New Jersey Gazette. The editor of that publication 320 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: was a Quaker, and plenty of anti slavery writing was 321 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 3: printed in the publication, and it was reprinted in other 322 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: publications as well. So you can't go online and read 323 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: the petition itself. But yeah, some of those narratives that 324 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: were reprinted and those other publications were the people who 325 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: reprinted them took a lot of liberties with it. Let's 326 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: say that they changed the narrative to be able to 327 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: fit their narratives, which was an anti slavery narrative. So 328 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: the petition in his reprints made its way overseas to Britain, 329 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: and there were a lot of people who were up 330 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 3: for the anti slavery cause over there on moral grounds 331 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 3: and things like that, and they took their liberties to 332 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: be like, Okay, these are things I'm going to add 333 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: to the story that I'm going to put my little 334 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: my essay on the side, or my opinion piece on 335 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: the side to go along with this petition or make 336 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: it seem like this was written in a more first 337 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: person narrative kind of way to say, look, how terrible 338 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: slavery is, and you know, take this story to be 339 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: able to understand why you should be a part of 340 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: the anti slavery cause as well, of course them leaving 341 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: out that royal was a loyalist and had those ties 342 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 3: back to England a lot of the time. But yeah, 343 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: they failed to pay the pension after the first year, 344 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: and this is where we'll see her continuing to petition 345 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 3: over the year since seventeen eighty seven. In seventeen ninety 346 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: three was her last known petition, she would ask for 347 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: her pension to be reinstated, and she got the money 348 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: until seventeen ninety the estate refused to pay. So there 349 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: was a lot of back and forth over the years, 350 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: but what it comes down to is that she didn't 351 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: get all the money that she had been granted and 352 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: that she wanted, and she continued to say, I'm old, 353 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 3: I'm not doing that well economically and I could really 354 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: use this money. 355 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: So she died in the seventeen nineties. 356 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: It's not completely clear exactly when she died, but it's 357 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: known that it was probably in the seventeen nineties because 358 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: there was a petition that was filed where the Royal 359 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: family said, Belinda's died, we're asking for the money back 360 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: that have been set aside for her. So yeah, very interesting. 361 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: There were other people who petitioned for compensation, and many 362 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: of them were men, but a lot of them didn't 363 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: get anything from it. But in the end it was 364 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: on the record. Belinda continued to try and say that 365 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: this is what I'm owed, this is what I deserve, 366 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: and even though she probably knew, even though she was 367 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 3: granted it, even though she probably had an idea that 368 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 3: I might not get this at all, she continued to 369 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: press someone for it. So the Massachusetts government determined that 370 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: like the enslaved, people who were left behind by loyalist 371 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: enslavers might be granted money from their enslavers confiscated property. 372 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 3: So it wasn't like this was an unprecedented judgment, like 373 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: this was something that the Massachusetts government was already thinking 374 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: about because Royal wasn't the only loyalists who fled and 375 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: left behind property and the people that he considered property. 376 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: But Royal didn't fulfill his duty to take care of that, 377 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: so the state would have to do the job. So yeah, 378 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: it's it. It's not wholly just it's not something that 379 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: was unprecedented. It was interesting that she took this anti 380 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: slavery angle in this angle of reparations in terms of like, 381 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: this is unpaid labor and I need my back money, 382 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 3: I need this money that I'm owed. But it was 383 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 3: also like the other element of that was that the 384 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 3: person who was quote unquote caring for her in the 385 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: government's eyes, who was supposed to take care of her 386 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: monetary she wasn't there. So there were other people who 387 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: could take care of themselves. But then when there were 388 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 3: elderly people, are people who were sick, who had more 389 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: difficulties taking care of themselves. Now the state was like, Okay, 390 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: what are we going to do about this? And Belinda's 391 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: story has come up in recent years. For the last decade, 392 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: as I said before, there have been a lot of 393 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: talk around reparations, how reparations would look, essays written about reparations, 394 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: a bunch of people arguing on the internet about who 395 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 3: deserves reparations and whether anybody deserves reparations at all. All 396 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: of those things, you know, I don't have to go into. 397 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: But one thing that did come up is Isaac Royal 398 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: and the money that he donated to Harvard that helped 399 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 3: contribute to the establishment of the law school. There was 400 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: stuff named after Royal there, and Harvard renamed a courtyard 401 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: for Belinda Sutton instead in commemoration of her and all 402 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: the others who labor for the Royals for free. And 403 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 3: Harvard also established the Belinda Sutton Distinguished Lecture and the 404 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: Blenda Sutton Academic Conference, and they said that it quote 405 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: featured speakers and topics that advance our understanding of the 406 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: legacy of slavery and expropriation and the ongoing pursuit of 407 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 3: racial justice. So that is the story of Belinda Sutton. 408 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: And like you said, I'm so glad that people are 409 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: doing this research even though it's hard to find things, 410 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: because it is so important is ongoing. And I'm glad 411 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: that you bring these topics to us too, because it 412 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: can be so difficult to track down these the details 413 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: and piece together someone's life when so much has it 414 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: been recorded or has been raised. So I just really 415 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: appreciate the people doing that research and for you Eves 416 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: to bring it to us as well. 417 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm happy too, and I think it's cool to 418 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: see how things have changed over time, like seeing that 419 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen they learned a little bit more about 420 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: her last name. It's just when we see things like 421 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: that now we can understand that. Okay, it's not like 422 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 3: all hope is lost, like we won't be able to 423 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: find anything else about her. There's still more that can 424 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 3: be uncovered. All the people who are still working at 425 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 3: the Royal House and slave quarters in Massachusetts and the 426 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: people who are doing work there and doing intentional work 427 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: about finding out more about the people who were enslaved 428 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: there because they literally built the state, you know, like 429 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: we're the reason for all of this wealth that the 430 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: royal family had, and that work is ongoing, Like it's 431 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: it's nice that people are able to dedicate their time 432 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 3: to that because it's such important research. 433 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is true, Like we just did an 434 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: episode on Savor on Melinda Russell, who is considered the 435 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: first black American woman to publish a cookbook, and that 436 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: discovery was in twenty eighteen, I think, like very recent. 437 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 2: It was two thousand and seven, but they're still looking 438 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 2: into it and it's very very recent, and they were 439 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 2: just like pieces of her, like scraps of her, but 440 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: people were determined, like we've got to get to the 441 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 2: bottom of this cookbook. It was almost like mythical, but 442 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: then they did. So it's true, like there is still hope. 443 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: And even if it is like difficult and so long 444 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: ago and can feel like, well, I'm never going to 445 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: find this, I just have so much respect for people 446 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: who are like, no, I'm going to keep looking and 447 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: we're going to at least be able to like put 448 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: this story together and maybe expound on this person's life. 449 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: It can give context to what we already know. So 450 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: I really I appreciate people who do that work so much. Yeah, 451 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: me too, Yeah, and we appreciate you. 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